What is your opinion on software theft?

It's very bad.

Software piracy is fine though

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>>59861917

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> theft

>>59861917
steal != copy
Open a dictionary next time.

>software theft

does not exist

>>59861917

There is no need to. I haven't pirated anything in almost 10 years, and my expenses in software aren't that much of a burden either. On the other hand I'm thankful for idiots who pirate and end up installing my bitcoin miners.

>>59862028
>bitcoin
>2017
Kek

>>59861917
>software theft
What now?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Rkk9jFl_KZI

"intellectual property" is a contradiction in terms. You can't steal something that isn't property.

>>59862089
Actually, what Stallman fails to recognize is that the internet has reclaimed the word "pirate". It's not offensive nor does it carry connotations of rape and pillaging anymore.

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>>59862160
>you can't own an idea because it isn't real
>you don't own the product of your labor

>>59862276
In this case, no, you don't, because what you created isn't economically scarce. It can be copied infinitely at zero cost.

>>59862276

An idea becomes public domain by default in the moment it's published.

>>59862329
>An idea becomes public domain by default in the moment it's published.
The bourgeoisie does not agree with you.

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>theft

Is this what /g/ has become?

>>59862062
>2017
>Not using Bitcoin
Kek

>>59862344
History does.

>>59861986
>>59861996
>>59862017
>>59862075
>>59862350
>People should not deserve reward for the hard work they performed that aided your life

Grow. The. Fuck. Up.

>>59862364
What are patents?

>>59862350
A friendly board for /pol/.

>>59862383
I'm actually paying for the software I'm using. I was simply wondering what the OP meant by software theft.

>>59862383
>People should not deserve reward for the hard work they performed that aided your life
t. Communist

If I can get something for free, why should I pay for it? Free market.

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>>59861924
fpbp

You should be able to use all kind of software if not for profit. If for profit you should pay for it. That's it.

>>59862423
That's the opposite of the free market. You are killing trade with your evil actions.

>>59862423
So you would be OK with people stealing a physical product you created?

Really gets the grey matter warm

>>59862387
Capitalist perversion of justice pretending to be protection for inventors.

>>59862423
When they said "free market", they didn't mean everyone gets everything for free.

>>59861917
theft is bad, sharing is good

>>59862555
>theft is bad, sharing is good*

*when i'm not the one losing money

>>59862574
nobody loses money from sharing you dunce

>"theft"
:tinking:

God commands that you shall not steal. Every theft is another thorn in His side. Digital piracy is no different because the exchange of information was subject to an agreement made between the vendor and creator and the vendor and consumer. You don't agree by paying up, it's a theft.

>>59861924
Don't like that people flatter themselves with this romantic title. You are nothing more than duploaders, and the release groups are the ones doing the piracy.

>>59862612
>God
>Theft
Can we keep bait threads off /g/

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>>59861917
Buying something and sharing a digital copy isn't theft.

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>>59861917
It's not theft if it's already my property.
Fuck you, pleb.

>listen to song on radio for free is okay
>download song for free is not

:^)

>>59861917
It's a symptom, not a problem.

>>59862477
>perversion of justice
>implying there is an absolute justice

>>59862738
How can someone be so morally bankrupt so as to not believe in justice?

>>59862676
Radio pays licensing fees for their music, which you are presumably paying for by listening to ads.

:v)

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>>59861917
>What is your opinion on software theft?

>>59861917
>theft
>copying
Pick one

>>59862844
Justice is depending of the ruling class. It's not absolute.

>>59862964
LAW is dependent on the ruling class. Justice is a human feeling dependent on what IS right or wrong.

>>59863020
>feels are reals

>>59862383
people should. corporations built on the basis of exploitation of social strata and force of work not.

>>59862612
> God commands that you shall not steal.
Good thing god doesn't exist then LOL

>>59863020
>what IS right or wrong
>implying those are absolute notions

Its great. People who make proprietary software deserve to have it taken from them. Just don't actually use the software.

>>59862874
But if I've just recorded a song from an internet radio stream, why is that not okay to have that song even if I've listened to the ads in between?

:>)

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>>59862323
>someone can forge currency
>currency has no value

>>59862329
>like trying to explain land ownership to a native american

You stupid ass lazy niggers think everything should be free.

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>>59862555
"Share" your money with me and I'll "share" my intellectual property with you.

>>59863593
It's not sharing if you want something back, that's selling. Try being less self centered.

>>59863625
You're not sharing if you don't share anything with me. Try being less self-centered.

And less hypocritical.

>>59863638
I am sharing with everyone, including you. Try being less self centered.

And less angry.

>>59863593
>tfw /g/ has made me want anime to be real
They're so fucking cute and I want one to carry around in my pocket.

>>59863653
The only thing you're sharing with everyone are your shitposts.

>>59863668
No my ratios are good mate.

>>59863676
Not in this thread they aren't.

>>59862447
Yea actually, I'd be fine with someone copying my product with no effort or meaningful resources needed, that'd be pretty cool

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>>59863663
>>They're so fucking cute and I want one to carry around in my pocket.
Go on redbubble and search for "pocket [character name]"

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>stealing a set of 0s and 1s
you dont have to pretend to be retarded to come here kiddo

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>>59863689

>>59861917
rarely do it if the "piracy" involves a "cracked" version to be installed.

If it's just a key-gen that generates a key, then it's fine because I can download the original exe from the developer and not some shady "cracking" group.

However if the software is less than 10$ then might as well buy it, but fuck if I'm paying 500$ for fucking photoshop.

I was gonna answer "a lot" but I don't have any pirated software on my computer.

Most of it is software that I get through work and other licenses that I got from UNI before I finished.

I also paid 5$ for kaspersky on g2a and I bought plex premium lifetime, so I guess I buy software.

>>59861917
Copyright infringement != theft

>>59861917
TAKE IT ALL FOR FREE YOU OEN THEM NOTHING!! Well I would even rather GO WITHOUT than pay! On the other hand, It's not like I'm going to go sit in a crowned theater with niggers screaming into their "sail foam" and other monkey business so no one can hear it. I might as well throw my $ in a wishing well. It'd be more entertaining. I don't even make any $ but I am more than happy to give anyone a free DVD/CD/whatever copy who asks so they don't have to pay either. Jewish Hollywood, M$, Apple, etc and all the other companies I "liberated" content from can kiss my ass (with bells on)

It's only theft if the creator hasn't made more than $10million from it.

>>59862383
I would never buy any software I've pirated, So my life would be a bit more boring if I never pirated and a bit more bearable if I did.

The manufacturer sees 0% change in revenue if I pirate or not.

try harder next time.

>>59862383
i hope you pay for all your porn then, faggot.

I care about very few things and piracy is not one of them

stealing physical objects is more fun

>>59862028
So you're condemning people for pirating (copying) software, but openly admitting to stealing people's money directly from their accounts? I think you are ethically confused.

>>59862612
Of course the religious argument is the weakest of all. Another Christian confusing a book with an entity. Let me correct you sir that God did not decree that. A book decrees that. The fact that you believe the book is God only demonstrates both your level of education and vulnerability to credulity. We can all conclude that piracy is unethical without reaching for a set of ethics that promotes slavery and torture in the name of what is "righteous".

Depends on the software. Microsoft shit like office? Fuck it. Pirate the shit out of it. Mobile apps? Pay the fucking $1. It encourages further development.

i am enjoying testing crack with software that never will use
it's autism but fun

>>59861917
Don't care, it's free shit.

>>59861917
If I could steal other shit that replicates with zero consequence i would

>>59861996
You're still stealing potential income.
You know, you could just admit you're stealing and not give a fuck like the rest of us.

>>59867357
I'll buy shit that's worth it.
I'll pirate shit that I'll never buy, but maybe I'll change my opinion of it after using it and buy it.

If it's a textbook or something where the only option is "buy it because you'll need it :-)", then I'll pirate it and look at it once during the entire semester. No way I'll pay $500 for a textbook that I'll only use once.

>>59867357
>stealing potential income
oh man thats a fucking whopper of kek

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>>59861917
nah its the fuckin internet, the moment you decide to upload something, its up for grabs.

its like leaving ur car unlocked in front of nignogs and getting mad when your radio and rims are gone.

>>59867357
>stealing potential income
I would be stealing potential income if I made a product similar to their product and people bought mine instead of theirs
fuck off with this bullshit

>>59867357
Are you telling me if I prepare a sandwich in my house I'm stealing from subway?

I think pirating software is okay when it is no longer for sale. Other than that, it depends on the situation. I don't pirate much anymore because everything is too risky.

I still download Japanese games though, because Japanese people are trustworthy and I don't have to worry.

>>59867461
No. I'm saying that if you pirate software, you still need to pay the fuck up you stupid nigger.
I don't want to hear your flimsy justifications.

Just admit you're poor and you couldn't give a fuck about the company which service of theirs you're not paying for.

I don't pay for software because I'm not a cuck

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>>59862676
>>59862874
Reading book from library is okay.
Giving a book you bought in shop to friends for reading is okay, too.

if i make music or whatever

i would rather they listen to my work for free then not listen to it at all.

They either steal from me or I steal from them
Fuck or get fucked

>>59862383
>People should not deserve reward for the hard work they performed that aided your life
You are not automatically entitled to compensation just for doing work. Nobody pays me for fixing shit around my house and I don't expect them to.

it feels good

Reminder that there exist people who think ideas aren't property.

>>59861917
It's only for poorfags. Quite pathetic to be honest.

>paying for something you can get for free
>attempting to moralise over piracy in today's society
dropped.

It's sad that so many here support the theft of software. What is wrong with our society?

>>59863768
not him but this is the world we love in.
Plagiarism is a crime even though it's just a list of words copied without a reference.

I admit it's shady, but maybe they should create a better system for payment for the creators. Because clearly this is exploitable.

>>59862443
You seem to hate small Businesses

>>59863563
Currency is a bad Example there, it isnt worth something because it is scarce, it's worth something because it is backed by a State and in this State universally accepted as a Currency

>>59862844
>moral bankruptcy is a bad thing

Lol

>>59861917
All property is theft...... Karl Marx

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ITT:
>self-justication
>confirmation bias circle jerks
>poor teenagers

If you think that piracy does not affect profit you are ignorant, lost or in denial. I pirate just as much as the next time, but I do not delude myself thinking that it is ethical. I know it is illegal and I know it's wrong and I'm willing to do it anyways, as are all of you. You spastics start jumping to any offhanded explanation for why what you do can be justified. Copying of software is a theoretical sale lost. That hurts profits. Sure not every single pirated copy of software will directly hurt sales, but profit margins DO suffer. If piracy were more widespread artists and software engineers would not make ANY profit. If it eventually came down to one person buying a copy and that copy being spread around to every other potential paying customer on the planet that would be disastrous. Stop trying to convince yourselves of this delusion and do what this man says. >>59862383

>>59870365
>as the next time
welp there goes all my credibility
good night and fuck you all

>>59861917
I don't care. I'm a developer. Anyone who thinks they can monetize copies of software with nothing else in it for the consumer is a dip shit.

>>59867568
So you are saying I sold pay subway every time I make a sandwich because I could have bought it from them. Wow. I didn't realise how much money I was stealing from subway. I can't believe it.

>>59870365
>Copying of software is a theoretical sale lost.
And masturbating is a theoretical child lost.

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>>59870365

>>59867045
Ultimately though, the ethicality of these practices is entirely irrelevant due to the inevitable heat death if the universe.

>>59870365
>If you think that piracy does not affect profit you are ignorant, lost or in denial.
Prove that it does.

>I know it is illegal
Only in countries where lobbists are allowed to write laws.

>I know it's wrong
Good to know that investment in all the propaganda worked I guess.

>Copying of software is a theoretical sale lost.
Hey, once I copied a game folder for modding. They lost two copies! Poor guys.

>but profit margins DO suffer.
Prove it.

>If piracy were more widespread artists and software engineers would not make ANY profit.
Prove it.

> If it eventually came down to one person buying a copy and that copy being spread around to every other potential paying customer on the planet that would be disastrous.
For who? You realize that selling licenses to use a product everyone can copy is one out of multiple possible business models right?

>>59862669
Sauce on that pic in the background?

>>59867357
>You're still stealing potential income

Haha! Potential income! Oh man, haven't laughed like that in a while, thanks, I now have to clean tea from my keyboard.

>>59867357
>stealing potential income.
Not buying shit does that too.
Maybe your shit is just too garbage for anyone to buy.

>>59870365
>a theoretical sale lost
lol wtf is wrong with you people, stealing potential income, losing theoretical sales... Yet you accuse us of confirmation bias? Trust me, if I pirate something I had 0 intention of buying it. I have never decided to buy something if I found out I couldn't pirate it either. Not once. In fact, it's quite the opposite, I have decided to buy certain things AFTER I had already pirated them, either to have the full package, including booklets etc, or to support the producers. Piracy is literally free advertisement. Producers should pay rippers for their efforts actually. Pay the Pirates! For making the entertainment industry great again.

>>59861924
this

>>59862612
it's the fault of those who want to drag on an obsolete business model

>>59862028
What kind of software do you put your miners on? Games? So they hopefully have a decent gpu?

>>59870365
>If you think that piracy does not affect profit
I only pirate things that I would never buy, like Call of Duty.

Try and explain to me how call of duty is worth 60 bucks, I'll wait.

But keep in mind that if it came to it, i'd go without for all of eternity than pay 60 bucks for it. The fact that piracy is easy is the only reason i even bother with it, you wont get money if you make piracy harder, your product just wont be used. This applies to any product.

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>>59870823
We have examples of games being dead because of their anti-piracy fever?
That's usually on top of game being shit but whatever.

>>59870365
All software should be free as in beer though.

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>>59861917
>paying for a binary string

>>59870862
>We have examples of games being dead because of their anti-piracy fever?
what are you talking about?
>your product just wont be used
simply means that fewer people will play it and it's literally the only thing that meaningfully happens

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>>59870862
There are actually quite a few games like that, first one that jumps in my head was Rise of the tomb raider.

DRM was deemed unbeatable, still got cracked, no one cared, no one paid for it, devs admit they fucked up and blamed Microsoft exclusivity.

Fact is the game just wasn't good, the devs overvalued their product and assumed that not only would draconian DRM improve sales, but the game would also push consoles.
It did neither of those things, most people don't even remember that it exists.

It was killed by lack of exposure, both due to no userbase on PC and being restricted to the least popular console this generation.
A mistake even the devs said they won't be making again.

>>59870889
>literally the only thing that meaningfully happens
You don't seem to understand the implications of this hypothetical scenario.

If everyone simply stopped using Microsoft word tomorrow because no one wanted to pay for it you can bet your ass Microsoft would start slashing prices for it.
If it got bad enough they would give it out for free to home users, mass market adoption is 10x more important to them, if they lose people's reliance on their software, they've lost everything.
Why should someone pay to use their proprietary format that costs hundreds of dollars when they know how to use OpenOffice or Google Docs which is free?
Because it's what they are used to and everyone is trained on it.

People abandoning a product can be devastating.

>>59862028
>Installing my Bitcoin miners
This is why you install your pirated software on a non internet connected machine :)

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>>59870889
You just said it's a good thing less people will play your game, isn't it?

>>59871105
yes
no

>>59867357
To an extent the whole potential income argument is speculative in itself.

Really overclocks you processor when you think about it.

>>59861917

Theft involves stealing something. Something cannot be stolen if its still there after.

What you want to talk about is unapproved software sharing.

>>59862383

What does that have to do with you misusing the word theft?

>>59862444
No its the free market. Creating artificial blocks in order to keep old models alive through government intervention is the opposite of free market. In the past software could be treated like any other good but now it cannot. It does not fit into that box and forcing it is a crime against the market.

>>59867357

So I end up with money every time I pirate something? Hell I should just make my server download something over and over there will be a pile of money there when I get home.

>>59862612
Where in the bible or any other holy text does it say that artificial scarcity or intellectual monopoly is the will of G/god(s)?

Eat shit.

>>59861917
You're not stealing a thing, just borrowing the exclusive rights to use a licence, mate. Learn the difference.

If you release a game with DLC's available within 12 months or fail to provide a demo then you are just asking for it.
Or if you are any way affiliated with EA

Shit like Microsoft and Adobe products i'm fine with if it's for your own personal use. Its over priced and they have a monopoly. Now if your a business and using pirated software you're a greedy jew.

Small independent companies stuff i usually try to pirate just to try. I actually just paid for KSP and xplane 11.

I understand that it's legal and morally wrong but I like not having to pay for games/movies/software/music/ etc.