Ryzen 5

>still no vr bios

why bother

>>59860523
the Asrock Taichi or the Gigabyte Gaming K7.
Taichi has the best power delivery and the K7 has the highest RAM speed rating

>>59860523
No fucking X370 Micro-ATX boards. I've heard the Biostar one is shit

>>59860639
the performance oriented SFF boards will be called X300

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Has there been any improvements on the Ryzen motherboards regarding IOMMU groups? I'm mostly concerned with GPU passthrough.

>if you want to buy a Ryzen now, you have to choose between shit and punke mainboards

Fuck it, I just bought a case that can fit µATX max.

This is just stupid. This is one among other reasons why AMD will never overthrow Intel.

>>59860698
1600X is such a strange price point. 1600 can OC to match it and you have to get aftermarket cooler which puts you at 1700 price.

>>59860772
The X-models are for the lazy folks.

>>59860732
This is hardly AMD's fault. Mobo manufacturers didn't give a fuck about Ryzen until launch day. The only exceptions were Gigabyte and ASRock.

>>59860523
I'm just finished building my R5 on the B350 Mortar (mATX) and managed to boot with my 3000 RAM on 2667 after a BIOS upgrade. Will try to clock it higher and OC the CPU asl well tomorrow, good enough for now.

The board is really easy to work with btw, no hard-to-reach connectors or having to decipher the instructions for the power/reset buttons.

>>59860732
You think Intel had ITX motherboards on launch for Skylake and Haswell?

>>59860573
>best power delivery
i watched enough hair autist videos to know that simply counting the chokes, v regs, doesn't suffice to make a final statement on the power delivery.

taichi has more phases 16, not counting the chokes but from their specs, that's all. If you know of a review that has this kind of detail please post it, I'm interested. I'm torn between the k7 and taichi.

>>59860639
I want premium mATX, x370.
Couldn't find even rumors of them yet.

>>59861646
Dude, 16 phases is overkill, 8 is overkill, even if they're using the shittiest of shit chokes, it's still enough for a 150W CPU

>>59861683
well, there's that.
I doubt they're using the cheap stuff, their promotional material makes a big deal of it, super premium.

I just wanted to point out that the amount of phases isn't the end all metric, since a good 8 (or 6) true phase design with real super premium components would fare a lot better.

>>59861759
emphasis on the difference between factual premium and marketing speech premium.

>>59860573
>Asrock Taichi
Too bad the board has been out of stock since fucking launch. It was the motherboard I wanted to get, but it seems like that will never happen.

>>59860941
X models are probably higher binned, so you're guaranteed those speeds. There's some value in that if you care about like ~100mhz in overclock room.

>>59862195
X models can also reach these clocks with less voltage, which decreases power usage.

>>59860523
The ASUS board is fine and has the best memory support rn

>>59861646
The Taichi uses top quality parts, including the same TI NexFETs found on the Crosshair VI Hero (the only two boards using them AFAIK).

http://www.tweaktown.com/reviews/8099/asrock-x370-taichi-amd-motherboard-review/index3.html

The only board that can touch it for power delivery is ASRock's own Professional Gaymen model, but that's just the same board in ugly red and black gaymer colours along with a 5Gb NIC that you probably don't need.

>>59862434
That just isn't true though. The Gigabyte Gaming K7 is the only board currently offering >3200MHz speeds without touching BCLK. Others will probably add it eventually, but Gigabyte are offering 3600MHz right now.

>>59862594
>tfw I couldn't get the taichi and went with the gaming k7 instead

hopefully it'll werk just fine. I mostly am using it for the dual bios feature, since I had a bad experience with bricking my sandy bridge MSI board.

>>59861669
That's 'cause premium mATX is x300, not x370

>>59862644
Proof?

>>59862661
not him but
http://www.gigabyte.us/Motherboard/GA-AX370-Gaming-K7-rev-10#sp

>>59862660
x300 is supposed to be mini-itx with practically no features.
As I understood it, it isn't meant for commercial use.

>>59862768
I mean verified cpuz posts or something, not the manufacturer's tech specs.

>>59862402
>>59862195
Yeah the 1600x is pretty weird.
Why get it with a cooler if you can get a 1700 for a little more but for plenty more in terms of value.

>>59863019
Then you'll have to go find some. It doesn't change the fact that no other motherboard even offers anything more than 3200MHz right now, as in you can't even try to go above that without adjusting the BCLK. We already know that 3600MHz is possible with Samsung B-die though, because MindBlank got his Crosshair VI Hero running it (via BCLK tinkering), so the Ryzen IMC is certainly capable.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RZS2XHcQdqA

>>59863366
AMD is readying a large AGESA update for memory compatibility in May, I think most will be able to get over 3200MHz with that, on top of vendor BIOS updates themselves

>>59863400
Speaking of AGESA updates, most R5 reviews were done literally 2 days before the memory latency AGESA update rolled in, that's a no small performance increase in memory bound games like Witcher and Tomb Raider.
Seriously AMD should have lifted NDA on the 16th or something.

>ASRock is now considered good
What a time to be alive.

>>59860573
Is the ASrock AB350M any good? If the ASrock AB350 Pro4 is anything to go by I'd assume it's among the best mATX mobos available right now (especially for its price) but you can never be too sure.

>>59863400
I hope so. I have a pair of CL18 3866MHz Samsung B-die sticks, but am currently limited to CL14 3200MHz on the Taichi. Can't be fucked with BCLK overclocking, that's always a shitshow.

>>59863446
Some were done with it in place via a special BIOS at least. I remember one reviewer specifically mentioning that he was sent a beta BIOS with the latency reduction code included. Possibly TTL, but I don't remember.

>>59863458
ASRock always made great hardware. Their firmware was a little lacking though, and they don't have the same marketing budget as the big boys, so stupid gaymers lump them in with Biostar and friends. The OC Formula range have always been amongst the top overclocking boards though.

>>59863492
Isn't that the same mobo just a mATX version?

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>>59863492
>Is the ASrock AB350M any good?
Yes

>>59863507
Yup they even have the same number of VRM phases. 9 total

>>59863507
the matx version doesn't have a heatsink on the 3 right side chokes

>>59860523
>>>/v/

>>59863528
How much of them are auxiliary/redundancy?

>>59861646
6+2 real phases, all doubled

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What about the AB350?
I've seen reviews and spec/features but I have a question about the Ryzen mobos.
Do accept Windows 7 as an OS or are they restrictive to like W10 only?
(New to mobos here, sorry).

>>59863516
>>59863492
it only has 3 real phases for cpu, all other brands with B350 have atleast 4 phases.

>>59863540
6+3 I think.

>>59863602
How do you know this?

>>59863602
Your source?

What's the best motherboard for Ryzen in the mATX form factor?

>>59863602
Why would it only have 3 phases for the cpu when it has 9 of them?

>>59863602
How is it only 3 "real" phases? Each phase has its own choke, capacitator and mosfet, that's what a phase is, and unless that phase is disabled or routed to god knows fucking what, it's a 'real' phase, does a "real" phase constitute a 20A+ choke or something? Because you're not gonna see those on $90 mobos

>>59863607
>>59863633
>>59863639
>>59863662
>>59863698
https://translate.google.com/translate?sl=auto&tl=en&js=y&prev=_t&hl=en&ie=UTF-8&u=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.hardwareluxx.de%2Fcommunity%2Ff12%2Fam4-mainboard-vrm-liste-1155146.html&edit-text=&act=url

>>59863573

>PRO

I wish mobos wouldn't come with such gay shit.

>>59863732
>Sources: Picture of the mobo with VRM heatsinks on
>No responsibility is taken for the correctness of the data
Actual sources you dipshit

>>59863698
make 3 phases add doublers and some dedicated components. Call it 6 phases.

>>59863732
Double phases (3x2) though.

So is there any B motherboard with 7 "real" phases?

>>59863812
even X boards top out at 6 phases for cpu, Bs top out at 4. 4 are enough for Ryzen, although can get quite hot with shitty heatsink.

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>>59863573
>>59863751
I got this one, it comes with two m.2 slots

>>59863812
All of Biostar's and all of Gigabyte's have seven real phases, counting CPU and PCH. But it's irrelevant really. The ASRock AB350M-HDV has seven real phases, but is the absolute cheapest board ASRock offer, so the components will be trash. Component quality matters far more than the sheer number of phases.

>>59863878
Eight is the maximum you're going to see on any board without doubling. Digital PWMs like the IR35201 top out at eight phases. Anything above that is doubled. You're way past the point of any of it mattering at that stage anyway, so long as the components used are of good quality.

Considering I'd keep the system for at least 4 years I'd rather just get a Taichi or that board that supports 5GbE instead of some cheap B350 one, $100 isn't some big money over 4 years.

>>59863948
I agree with this, you get a good Intel NIC too and decent power delivery, the cheap mobos don't have that.

>>59863798
How would this compare to 4 real phases?

>>59861282
also planning to do this in the Arctic. does MSI have RGB Control in the UEFI?

Why do people think a CPU not even pulling 200W overclocked to the brink needs 8 phases when a GPU pulling 300W is fine with 6?

>>59864234
Efficiency? Heat dissipation?

>fab on hpp
>get mad clocks
>/g/ burns down the house
>fab on lpp
>get mad efficiency but lower clocks
>/g/ still burn down the house

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>>59864559
Raven Ridge will be the first Zen+ core, to be launched later this year. Also AMD is getting FDSOI for Pinnacle Ridge, in the same process IBM is using for their POWER9.

https://www.semiwiki.com/forum/content/6566-iss-gary-patton-keynote-fd-soi-finfets-beyond.html

http://semiengineering.com/to-7nm-and-beyond/

http://www.eetimes.com/document.asp?doc_id=1330467&page_number=2

https://www.semiwiki.com/forum/content/6596-globalfoundries-makes-pure-play-foundry-great-again.html

>>59864757
>17 (seventeen) metal layer
A literal brick made to kill people. Whoa.

I shilled for the Taichi before, but now that my god has spoken

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HNc4q1kBwhE

>>59866370
thank fug I got a k7

NOCTUA SEND BRACKET ALREADY JESUS

>>59864757
Piss off, shill. You can't even read your own shit you link to, Raven Ridge is the Zen based APU that we have known for close to a year now

>>59861920
It keeps getting more and more reviews though, someone is fucking getting it.

I'll hold out a while longer, my fucking wife's 1600X system is gonna be ready before my 1700.

>>59864757
Zen+ isn't until 2018

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>>59864757
>raghu78
>Banned

>>59861920
>Too bad the board has been out of stock since fucking launch. It was the motherboard I wanted to get, but it seems like that will never happen.
Just bought it a few hours ago.

Found this mATX x370 from Biostar, doesn't look exactly premium.

4chan is considering the link to biostar site as spam, so if you want to look it up, the model number is X370GT3 Ver. 6.x

>>59861282
Which RAM did you pair with the board?

>>59868271
Hardware is almost identical on all the mobo makers, it's just that the bigger players have far more resources to also get the software side right

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While we're on the topic, a friend wanted a good /v/idja build, gave me $1500 to work with.

I really want to build a 6C12T minitx setup but the cost puts me off.
Should I just go with a 4C8T?

>>59868896
That might be an older CPU Cooler. Make sure it comes with AM4 brackets.
I'd also check and make sure the RAM is on that mobo's QVL.

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>>59868913
No, it's quite underwhelming for such a small price differential for $49.95?

>>59868952
Price difference here is a bit more in the north.

>>59860572
what a worthless contribution, dont ever reproduce you fucking failure.

your dna is defective, die the last of your kind you cunt

>>59868950
No worries, Noctua said all they need is just the invoice on both motherboard and cooler and they'll ship the AM4 bracket. Told my friend about this and that they should do it the moment they pull the trigger and order.

I also checked the RAM, it does fall within the motherboard's spec. I was hoping to get 2667 but only OC's beyond 2400.

>>59868896
>2400 RAM
Invest in 3200 to pair with Ryzen.

>MSI B350 TOMAHAWK
You may want to compare and contrast it with the GIGABYTE GA-AB350-Gaming 3.

>>59868956
Is it? I just assumed you were 'merican since that's most of the guys around here. Where you at? I'll try and see what I can do to help c:

>>59868963
Holy shit this is part of the reason why I love coming to 4chan. These comments make me kek.

>>59868913
what are you using your computer for?

>>59868997
>Invest in 3200 to pair with Ryzen
The MSI page said that it only accepts OC's over 2400, plus the price/performance differential seems to only really level out at 2997 (I think? Somewhere along those lines) and anything above is just 2-3 fps for much higher price.

>GIGABYTE GA-AB350-Gaming 3
I'll take a look into it! Thanks for the suggestion.

>>59868998
Norway
>>59869010
Hobby coding, media/design content, sometimes game but I don't really care about max graphics, just fine with 60fps at 720p if so.

>>59869021
>>59869010
get 4C8T.

>preforms about the same stock as an i5 7400

if you dont need more cores dont spend the money on them :) .

>>59869021
>>59869051
samefagging btw, spend extra money on faster and more RAM

>>59869051
>>59869061
Yeah might do so. Does every extra thread in the AMD CPU equal or work as their counterpart from the blue team?

Also not really interested in overclocking, just want something nice that will be a bit future proof for casual stuff but still snappy enough to be enjoyable?

>>59869075
the IPC isn't /as/ good as Intel's, made somewhat worse by the speed difference per-core. However, when things inevitably move to 6-8 cores main they'll deffo shine there.

>>59869075
for your uses ryzen is perfect. amd imo was pushing for content creating and such. it preforms well in adobe products and stuff like that. gaming it kind of underpreforms but if you dont mind medium graphics it's perfect. of course a 6C 12T will be faster but you might as well use the money on more ram / an SSD. SSD's are worth every dollar you spend.

>>59869100
>>59869110
I will get the cheapest 6C12T, should be good enough for everything. How well does the Ryzen work under linux?

>>59869142
not sure, windowsfag here lol. i'd do some research on it if i were you though. don't trust everything you hear on 4chan lol. goodluck with the build

>>59869198
I see thanks

>>59869110
At 720p it should manage pretty good frames with even somewhat older GPU's.

Alternately, with 1440p monitors you don't fucking see the slightest difference between anything above the 1500

>>59869015
I am highly considering the Gigabutt board, now. Though what RAM do I pair it with? It specifies that the rest are OC above 2400, so if I suggest 2666 would it be overclocked to 2667/2933 ? Considering this http://pcpartpicker.com/product/HXbkcf/gskill-memory-f42666c15d16gvs

>>59860523
just go grab the most expensive board at walmart

gurunteed to be the best

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>>59869142
That's pretty vauge but I managed to find this, for what it's worth

>>59869238
Looks good for the price!

>>59869250
>Can't find anything Norwegian equivelant to pcpartpicker, sorry about it. So long as it isn't ridiculously different, the 1600 really is the go-to processor for most I'd say.

>>59869282
Don't worry, also I need to wait for minitx board. there is none

>>59864155
it performs worse

>want to buy the ryzen 5 1600x
>read /g/ recommendations for the mobo
>only 250 - 300€ mobos
Seriously ?

>>59869441
just buy 90-120$ B350 MSI or Gigabyte board.

>>59869441
Because it was like I said. AMD mobos are expensive like always.

>>59869441
The fuck are you talking about? You can use a B350 board and be just fine, even with an overclock. Plenty of people are running R7s overclocked on B350 boards. The Asus Prime X370-Pro has top tier power circuitry and is one of the cheaper X370 boards. It uses the exact same NextFETs as the Crosshair VI and the Taichi, with eight real phases. It actually has MORE real phases than the Crosshair VI, with six for the CPU versus the Crosshair's four doubled to eight. Of course, it's missing other features like the external clock generator.

The fact that you can't be bothered to do some basic research beyond "what's /g/ saying" is your problem.

>>59869465
Retard.

>>59861646
>>59861683
>>59862594
>>59863570
The amount of Power phases don't matter since Ryzen has its own internal voltage regulation. AHOC mentioned that 4 phases is enough for Ryzen.

>>59869606
Internal voltage regulator is disabled in consumer Zeppelins. So no, phases do matter.

>>59869435
>>59864155
Depends on the PWM controller's switching frequency

>>59860523

ASRock build quality is fucking trash.

It's super easy to make the mistake of just comparing paper specs and buying on price -

Replacing a mobo (especially out of pocket!) is fucking expensive, especially when a new socket is out and all the old boards are used and the high end ones 2x the price!

>>59869703
>ASRock build quality is fucking trash

Based on?

>>59869737
His ass.

>>59869703
I wish this was true but my asrock mobo begs the differ

>>59869703
Better than Anus boards with their patented Bricking Bios(tm)

>>59869703
>>59869839
>>59869789
>>59869737

Everyone knows that it's hard to find reliable and recent data - Especially when the full warranty period for recent boards hasn't ended yet - But pic related from Hardware.fr - A translation is here: http://www.tomshardware.com/answers/id-2373562/share-2014-motherboard-rma-rate.html

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>>59869874

Whoops, here's the pic

>>59869703
Would you mind listing some specific complaints? Just looking at the Taichi for instance, what component choices do you disagree with? I know they're using an IR35201 for the voltage controller; is this a bad part IYO? Would you also recommend avoiding the Gigabyte K7 that also uses it? Or is the complaint about MOSFET choice perhaps? The CSD87350 has been raved about elsewhere, but I'd be interested in your analysis. And again, the Crosshair VI uses them as well, so another for the avoid list?

Or are your complaints more general, about the actual physical process of putting together the board. Do they use a lower quality solder than the others? Bad technique? Perhaps you could make some comparisons to other manufacturers, point out the flaws and suggest some improvements.

Thanks.

>>59869874
>>59869894
>literally basing your hardware choice on one set of randon, completely unconfirmed numbers from a French site in 2014

It doesn't get more retarded than this, folks.

>>59869874
>data is based on a handful of models
>budget and mid-range ASRock boards listed, mostly AM3 trash
>being compared to flagship Intel boards from other brands listed

Gosh, it's almost like cheap budget boards using shitty components fail more often, no matter what the brand.

I'm going with Gigabyte b350 """GAMING""" 3 desu

>>59863602
I don't think it matters. 3 phases doubled is still higher current than 3 phases or 4 phases without doubling. The only thing it's worse at is cleaning up the power which means lower OC potential, but that only really matters when you buy diablotek power supplies.

how is MSI X370 GAMING PRO CARBON?

don't see any info on those
only know that titanium has worst RAM support around

>>59870112
It's okay, but objectively inferior to the Asus Prime X370-Pro. That thing has far and away the best power delivery of any of the mid-range boards. It's one of only three boards using TI NexFETs (the others being the Crosshair VI Hero and the ASRock Taichi).

>>59870031
I have it, with corsair vengeance 3200mhz lpx
how do i get best speed out of it?

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>>59870112
huh, they got pretty extensive QVL list

>>59863059
>>59860772
I already have a cooler and want a highly binned chip.

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>>59860523
bleh

>>59870152
i haven't pulled the trigger yet. Also i'll buy this kit http://www.corsair.com/en-gb/vengeance-led-16gb-2-x-8gb-ddr4-dram-3200mhz-c16-memory-kit-white-led-cmu16gx4m2c3200c16. Even if we don't get the best speed for now. I'm sure it will be solved once we the may update hits.

>>59870213
Useless without knowing exactly when each test was performed, what BIOS revision, microcode update, RAM speed, etc.

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>>59863941
>>59863751
what the fuck did you say you little cunt

>>59869934

Fuck off. That's just one data point, my point was that it's hard to get reliable 3rd party data, and I doubt anyone here would believe that I work at a hardware retailer here in Aust, and ASRock boards get by far the highest return rates.

Admittedly it's harder to track the AMD side of things separately since they're by far a minority of sales, but at least for the experience of our customers, a lot have issues. Maybe the boards they send here to SEA are different in some way (different plant?), or maybe conditions here are different - I can't really say scientifically speaking (and I have a degree in chemistry).

But by all means, go ahead and find better sources!

>>59869919

The choice in components is definitely a secondary concern. We're just a retailer, and none of the sources I've seen over the years specify what the exact, specific failing components have been - So it stands to reason that indeed it is a build quality issue rather than component choices. Poorer soldering would be a good place to start looking, sure.

>>59861282
Which r5? How much oc did u manage to squeeze out of it?

>>59870271
>That's just one data point
A completely useless one.

>my point was that it's hard to get reliable 3rd party data
Yeah. Only a complete moron would make blanket statements about a manufacturer taking that into account.
>ASRock build quality is fucking trash
Like this guy.

>I doubt anyone here would believe that I work at a hardware retailer here in Aust, and ASRock boards get by far the highest return rates
A) You're right, I don't.
B) It would be utterly meaningless data once again, without comparing specific models and price points. If you only sell/people only buy cheap garbage ASRock boards and they break more often, then it's fucking obvious why.

>But by all means, go ahead and find better sources!
Not being a retard, I give blanket statements about [brand] the amount of consideration that they deserve, which is fucking none. All of them make good boards, and all of them make some absolute fucking trash. I actually spend more than ten minutes researching my purchase, looking at the exact components used and making informed decisions based on that. It's all chink trash assembled by slave labour, so again, only a retard would be basing their purchase on "build quality" beyond component choice.

>>59868896
gtx 1080 is more important than anything else, find a place for it

>>59868990
have fun waiting 4 weeks

>>59868344
Geil EVO X, didn't get it for the RGB though, it was actually the cheapest available in my country and it's on my mobo compatibility list.

>>59870333
R5 1600. I'm sitting on a comfy 3.6 GHz on the stock cooler because I just wanted to check everything was working as intended. Will try 3.8 later today.

any good ryzen motherboards with on board wifi?(<$110)

The website of all the current motherboards says you need the latest driver for ryzen 5 to be compatible, is that true? If so then how is anyone without a local pc store supposed to be able to fucking flash it and actually be able to use their new cpu?

>>59871275
My board(with outdated bios most likely) coming tommorow. I'll post how it goes.

>>59870893
it's almost impossible to buy am4 coolers

wanted to order d15 se-am4 today - nope

>>59860523
To expand the question, which is the best B350 mobo?
Obviously RAM compatibility, VRM and BIOS are the major factors, but imho other stuff like sound (best is Gigabyte, worst Asus) and random stuff like POST issue on MSI or BIOS issues with 2.x on ASRock are factors, too.

What do you think, which board is the B350 allround king?

>>59871705
Cooler master sent me a free bracket for my 212 feels good man

>>59871844
> BIOS issues with 2.x on ASRock
Explain. I was 1 click away from ordering Taichi just now.

Ok guys, I'm this anon
>>59870970

R5 1600 with stock cooler
MSI Mortar B350 (latest BIOS)

3.6GHz is stable on stock auto voltages (1.24 under load)
3.7GHz is stable on 1.36V but gets T O A S T Y while testing (like 80ºC)
3.8GHz boots but computer crashes during tests before max temperature is reached. I tested all the way up to 1.4V but didn't want to go further with the stock cooler, especially with the BIOS marking 1.4V and up on red.

Didn't win the silicon lottery but 3.6-3.7 is what I realistically expected. I'll try again in a few weeks when there are mobo-specific guides with more tweaks and most likely a new BIOS version.

>>59870893
I ordered my AM4 hardware from Noctua on February 23rd, they emailed me back within an hour to say that it'd be despatched later that day. That was a Thursday and it was delivered on the Monday, posted from Austria to the UK.

>>59872225
Mine went out on the 4th, cpu gets here today and board tomorrow. No idea when the kit will arrive, hoping it's soon.

>>59872112
>3.7GHz is stable on 1.36V but gets T O A S T Y while testing (like 80ºC)
Meh, not a bad OC for a stock cooler though.

>>59871898
Don't have more info, i'm looking for a mobo myself and went to thr manufacturers forums. It seems they fucked something up with the new version and now suggest to use either older 1.x or beta versions.

how do I search for dual rank memory? is there any kind of marker for those?

>>59860698

I would wait a while until you see proper "workstation" tier boards.

IOMMU/VT-D is really an enterprise/prosumer-tier feature at heart.

>>59872426
Dual rank will be anything with low speeds or mediocre/bad timings. Single rank kits with Samsung B-die have better timings (CL14/15 at 3200MHz versus the standard CL16 for example). Any kit above 3600MHz will also be that.

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>>59872493
well, seeing this
I'm considering DR memory for 1600x
and that other test can't find it now

>>59863366
Ryzen doesn't have a memory multiplier that lets you get higher than 3200mhz without a bclk overclock

So, you're lying through your fucking teeth mate. Maybe they'll update their microcode to allow higher multipliers in may, but right now not a single board out there can do 3600mhz without touching the baeclock

>>59863573
you can use win7

microshit doesn't make it easy for you though - all the downloads you'll find will come without any sensible drivers because microshit is trying to force everyone onto win10 so you have to find and install the drivers manually

>>59872532
It would be Gigabyte who are lying through their teeth if what you say is true, you turboautist. It's literally advertised on their site, so go take it up with them.

>>59863458
Been using Asrock for like 5 years now, never had a single problem.

If you buy their cheap mobos then it's not going to be amazing(albeit they don't burn themselves or have problems, they're just not as good), if you buy the more expensive ones then it's guaranteed to be good.

>>59869051
>get 4C8T.

>Hobby coding, media/design content

m8 are you retarded, he should get 6c/12t or 8c/16t

>>59869874
YES, EVERYONE KNOWS THIS ANON

ARENT YOU PART OF EVERYONE

>>59872573
I'll fight through, thanks anon.

>>59863751
> using a Pc-case with a window

>>59863941
Funny how Fatal1ty Gaming board is one of the least retarded looking.

>>59872607
> they don't burn themselves
Sure, not since fm2a75m-itx (which was not cheap, just way too cramped and allowed booting with higher tdp cpus than it could actually handle)

>>59863751

most of us wont give a shit since we have a closed case.

but i do find it cringy when they do that. like the biostar racing series. i mean wtf.

but if its a good product then ill overcome the cringy looks

>>59863941

Only 1 of the them is an M.2 Ultra tho.

needs at least two m.2 Ultra for it to be viable, i have dual 1tb 960 pro in raid 0.

>>59863751
High-end desktop parts = gamers
Gamers = retards
Retards like things flashing and glowing
Therefore, all high-end desktop parts have retarded RGB LED Gayming Fatal1ty XXXXtreme Crosshair RAMPAGE bullshit to cater to retards

>>59873633
Which is another way of saying that companies are selling a "gamer lifestyle" and people are being brainwashed into adopting it, e.g., Asus' ROG, instead of seeing it as just entertainment

Can someone explain to me why there are no cheap am4 boards out there? lga1151 boards can cost even 40 dollars but the cheapest am4 mobo is around 70 dollars

>>59873813
Hype

>>59873692
>korea doesnt exist

>>59873848
Explain.

>>59873813
Only X370 and B350 boards are out. Bottom of the barrel $40 stuff will be the A300 chipset, most likely to be released alongside the R3 CPUs

>>59873862
>gamer lifestyle

Surely that doesnt exist in korea, and never will or have.

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>>59873516
>Funny how Fatal1ty Gaming board is one of the least retarded looking.
I like MSI carbon more, simple black, you can disable annoying lights.

>>59873973
It's sad there's only a shitty MSI board that is white.

I'm never touching ASUS again, and I've heard too many bad things about MSI to even try them.

>>59873973
Also
>ATX
>2017

Get with the times granpa, we're moving to mATX boards and cases now.
Wish we could make the move to ITX already instead.

ANUS Ballhair Republic of DOA isnt that bad afaik, they just require a lot of BIOS updates to work correctly

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>>59874176
The Taichi would look okay in a white build.

>>59873603
Impressive.

Just because or do you actually need that much speed

>>59873516
Objectively true.

>ASROCK X370 Gaming K4
>ASUS PRIME X370-PRO
>MSI X370 GAMING PRO CARBON
>ASUS CROSSHAIR VI HERO

Here are my not "sold out" choices. Should I just bite crosshair bullet?
Buying it for long term, getting 1600x for now.
Plan for zen+ later.

Worried about components on B350 boards, might not live 4 years.

Why wouldn't it?

I've only had 10 years+ old motherboards crap out on me, and that's a lot due to how hot those boards get.

>>59874884
The Prime is a real solid secondary option if you don't. It uses the same TI NexFETs as the Crosshair and actually has more real phases for the CPU (six versus the Crosshair's four doubled). Obviously it's lacking in other areas, like not have an external clock generator.

ctrl+f
not MSI Titanium.

i'm so proud of you guise. Not a single mention of that overpriced pile of garbage.

>>59874956
heard stories of bricked asus boards
what boards have dual BIOS besides gigabyte?

>>59875137
MSI has devolved into trash. Can't believe they charge that much for an inferior product.
>>59875376
last I checked the gigabyte gaming k5 is in stock. Why not get gigabutt?

>>59860573
What about B350 boards? Any good recomendations?

>>59873813
I seriously don't even know.

I rarely spend more than $150 on a motherboard, and that used to get you something pretty decent. (e.g. I'm still trying to figure out the best B350 boards AMD has)

The x370 boards though are just a fucking joke. It's not even double the price - the taichi is nearly $400 CAD when the actual conversion should put it at something like $280. All the decent x370 boards are basically the B350 prices * 2.5

Fuck paying that much extra to maybe get a 4.3 overclock on a 1600x instead of a 4.0

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Will Intel drop the i5 prices now?

>>59872112
what about the 20°c offset? or is it only on the 1700x and 1800x?

>>59877468
It's only on the chips with 95 TDP

>>59877468
All of the X chips except the 1500X.

https://cxzoid.blogspot.ca/2017/04/some-ryzen-power-draw-data.html

tl;dr you can overclock just fine on b350's with 3-4 phases

TDP of 3+3 core (1600, 1600x) at 4Ghz is 135W

>>59877594
>>59877616
so its actually 60°C instead of 80

>>59875376
The problems with bricking were with the C6H and have been solved.

>>59877761
No, because the 1600 is a 65W part and doesn't have the offset.

>>59877761
wasn't this fixed?
I can already see some folks pushing 90+C extreme OC's thinking it's at 70C, when it's indeed reporting correctly...

>>59878435

It doesnt really matter desu, Ryzen chips are voltage bound, not thermal bound. Going above 1.4v will induce noticable degradation according to AMD, so its best to stay around 1.38v at max

>>59877239
oh, canadian, no 70 usd never got you good full featured boards, you sacrificed something somewhere for that price point.

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>>59860572

Negroe, what did you say?

>>59878690
In any case, I'll just wait until a new BIOS as I said because we cannot know for sure whether MSI is applying the offset or not.

Also, I wouldn't be surprised if further options are added later down the road. Current OC screen is as barebones as it gets and aside for the RAM timings, profiles, and a couple more options I'm not really familiar with you get to punch-in the speed you want in MHz (so it accepts multiples of 25) and the VCore. No options for voltage offset modes, downscaling the multiplier/VCore except on full Auto mode, or stuff like that at the moment.

>>59872493
>>59872517
Ok, how do I check for sure that I'm getting DR memory? Do manufacturers publish that on their website?

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>>59860523
>tfw supposed to be delivered on saturday

i need this tomorrow. why didnt i get faster shipping.

>>59874192
I went mitx, switching back to atx case and whichever mainboard regardless of form factor.

>>59880480
>>59872517
>>59872426
>>59872493
I thought single rank is the way to go? Ordered gskill ddr4-3200 which should be single rank (if the listed price wasnt an error).

Any reason to cancel? I am also not sure if 4 DIMMS are creating more problems than 2 DIMMS. Still waiting for more info on ryzen and other parts.

>>59860573
>People have been shilling the Taichi left and right
>Spec-wise, it's objective not the best board

>Gaming K7
I either had a bum board, or you've never actually used one, but I couldn't get mine to post, even with QVL ram--I would constantly get error 55.

Not to mention, the Gaming 5 has had more UEFI updates than the K7.

>>59877239
You won't be able to supply 300 watts for the 12core Zen3 without the X370 boards.

What the fuck are these prices AMD!?!?
At this point the only value buy is the R7 1700

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>>59860639
thats what you get for having a faggot case

>>59878435
It has internal thermal shut off switch at above 75C anyway, so you can't kill it by temps.
Can kill it with volts though.

>>59881613
>I am also not sure if 4 DIMMS are creating more problems than 2 DIMMS
they do, as far as I know you can't get 4 sticks to 3200 for now, but check QVL list for motherboards to be sure
2 sticks work fine

dual rank memory is for those that want to save money on 3200 RAM
it's marginally the same except for few cases but much cheaper than 3200 sticks.

>>59883044
That bitch is like 40 now

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>>59878690
It's thermal bound too. Use liquid metal on IHS with pic related for better cooling

>>59881613
>I went mitx, switching back to atx case and whichever mainboard regardless of form factor.
That's stupid though.

mitx boards don't have all the features, that's the only reason to buy atx. Now matx has pretty much all the necssary features as atx has, so there's no reason to buy an arx mobo.

The biggest point though, is that having a mid tower or a full tower is retarded, they're way too huge.
You really only should have such a large case if it's an old computer.

>>59883436
The IHS is soldered on.

Ryzen is not thermal bound.

>>59884886
der8auer even delidded one and applied liquid metal. It made zero difference to temperatures, so they did a good job with the solder.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wz_-Q5QzRqg

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Would someone mind explaining to me the difference between the Ryzen 1500 and 1500x.

Or just what the X nomenclature actually means.

>>59885053
There is no 1500. The one below the 1500X is the 1400 and is missing half its cache, having only 8MB versus the 1500X's 16MB. As for the higher tiers, it means nothing really. The X just denotes a model with a higher clock speed out of the box. They also boost up by 100MHz via XFR (200MHz for the 1500X), whilst the non-X models only boost by 50MHz. But that's entirely worthless and you should be manually overclocking anyway, which disables XFR.

>>59885173
X version are better "binned", so as some anon could not get to 3.8 ghz or above it, with 1600.
I believe every 1600x should be able to get above 3.8ghz.

>>59885173
Oh, my mistake. I'm Aussie so i didn't know if we just weren't getting the whole batch available.

Well if that's the case i'll avoid the 1400.

I'm building my second desktop, and i wanted to know if there would be any noticeable difference in daily usage between the 1500x and the 1600 in your opinion.

More cores sounds great, but i dunno what i'd use em for, ya know.

>>59885232
Nope, that's not necessarily true either. The 1700X isn't any better binned than the 1700 based on everything I've read. I've seen just as many 1700s clocking higher than 1700Xs as the other way around. The 1800X is the only one which has any real evidence for being a better bin so far, generally needing less voltage to hit 4GHz than the other two. Time will tell whether that extends to the 1600X too. One guy getting unlucky with the silicon lottery doesn't constitute a trend.

>>59885235
I wouldn't buy a quad core in 2017, personally. Even just for gay men, there are noticable gains from stepping up to the 1600, especially in terms of minimums. It's so little more money that the 1500X is a bad buy IMO.

>>59860523
I just finished my new workstation with a 1700 and >>59863573
For the most part I do a lot of Blender / xNormal rendering, and Ryzen was fast enough for the price I finally decided to move on from my 2600k. So far I'm really happy with everything. I hit 3.8 Ghz easily and left it there for stability and low temps during long renders. Pretty nice how I can render with 8 threads and still work on other tasks with 8 threads so things are still very responsive. Unreal project / shader compilation also seems to be a breeze.

As far as gaming is concerned, since I run 1440p monitors and a 1070, everything I've tested up until now has been GPU bottlenecked or ran well above my refresh rate, so the supposed lack of Ryzen's performance there is a non issue for my setup anyways.

Only real complaint so far that I couldn't get the ram above 2666 Mhz as of now. Otherwise I have a hard time imagining why people still think 7700k is the better proposition. I suppose it might matter for the small amount of people who really run >120 Hz monitors.

>>59882811
He won't need to because the 12-16 core Zena use a 3500 oin LGA socket

>>59885434
Guess i'll consider it. The price is actually pretty steeply different here. 1600 is 320, and the 1500x is 270.

I guess i'll consider it. Frankly i really wanted to build an ITX rig, but AMD being the sack of shit it is hasn't fought hard for those boards.

>https://www.techpowerup.com/reviews/AMD/Ryzen_5_1600X/20.html


Fuck, that 1600X is one powerhungry chip.

I am not getting ryzen until a decent mini itx mobo is launched

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>>59886180
>tfw the waitfag meme is real.

>>59886180
And you're gonna put what in it? Some 40W quad core?

>>59886180
Have fun waiting until the end of the year, when in a few months from there Zen+ is gonna be released.

>>59886244
>not putting a 2GHz 35W 8 core Zen in it and having the smexiest home made server machine ever

>>59886279
I'm wondering if it would be possible to underclock the 8 core as much as possible but have it still able to turbo boost to some 3.7GHz using some P-state fuckery?

>>59886204
>wait for vega
>it will be much faster than a gtx 1080 and cheaper

>>59886300
Let me explain 2 u m8.

Waited for Ryzen, then waited for the 5's to drop. Now i have to wait for the one i actually want to be available. Then i'd have to wait for the ITX boards.

It is a fucking nightmare. AMD can get fucked.

>>59886292
Values for P State Overclocking -
FID (Clock Speed) 90 - 3600mhz, 91 = 3625, 92 = 3650, 93 = 3675, 94 = 3700, 95 = 3725, 96 = 3750, 97 = 3775, 98 = 3800, 99 = 3825,
9a = 3850, 9b = 3875, 9c = 3900, 9d = 3925, 9e = 3950, 9f = 3975
a0 = 4000, a1 = 4025 (my max sweetspot OC), a2 = 4050, a3 = 4075, a4 = 4100, a5 = 4125, a6 = 4150, a7 = 4175, a8 = 4200 = a9 = 4225, aa = 4250, ab = 4275, ac = 4300, ad = ugh you win the lottery.

8 = 25 mhz increments, 9 =22.2196, a = 20 b = 18.18, c = 16.667, d (final recommendation) = 15.384mhz - 3943mhz cap).


Values for VID Voltage Control = 30 = 1.25v, 2f = 1.256v, 2e, 1.2562v, 2d = 1.268, 2c = 1.275v, 2b = 1.2812v, 2a = 1.287v, 29 = 1.293v, 28 = 1.3v, 27 = 1.3062v, 26 = 1.3125v, 25 = 1.318v, 24 = 1.325v, 23 = 1.3312v, 22 = 1.3375v, 21 = 1.343v, 20 = 1.35v, 1f = 1.356v, 1e = 1.3625v, 1d = 1.368v, 1c = 1.375v, 1b = 1.3812v, 1a = 1.3875v, 19 = 1.3937v, 18 = 1.4v, 17 = 1.406v, 16 = 1.4125v, 15 = 1.418v, 14 = 1.425v, 13 = 1.4321v, 12 = 1.4375v, 11 = 1.443v, 10 = 1.45v, *next set is from f - a, 9 - 9 (1.45 - 1.55v), though be very careful overclocking in this voltage range

>>59886244
Not that guy but my media server has 65W APU in fm2a85x-itx running great at stock frequency and voltage with a fucking passive cooler. Pretty sure 6+1 HDDs in there produce more heat.

>>59884886
die->solder->IHS-> liquid metal->waterblock
and that radiator

>>59886355
what the fuck?

>>59886355
Min. is 3,6Ghz and it won't downclock lower than this?

>>59886170
>gaming
>270 from the wall WITH GPU

come on

>>59886739
Why is it more powerhungry than the 1700?

Only due to the higher clockspeed?
What about the 2 extra cores?

>>59886761
because stock 1700 is barely 3.6Ghz and performs worse
chart also has conveniently 7700K excluded

>>59886765
I would have expected that with 2 cores less, it would draw less power.

Look at the 1500X which exactly does that.

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>>59886787
it is within the spec, why are you comparing 65 to 95w?

>>59869894
all of them are very low and look very reliable.

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>>59886821

>>59886425
liquid metal on bare die only lost 1c, at 82c (82c vs 81c).

>>59886345
>>59886180
itx cases are currently shit.

Only viable case without modding is ncase, and with that you need 240mm aio.
Raijintek metis is the only contender, but for that case you need to do some serious modding.

All other sff, like dan case, can only have low perofrmance parts, as they'll otherwise either thermal throttle, or sound like a jet engine.

If you're buying an mitx case the size of an matx case, you may as well just buy an matx case with an matx board.

Is there any real reason for me to upgrade from a 3570k?

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>>59886829

Ok guys, anon which couldn't get his 1600 above 3.7GHz here, I figured out I was doing something wrong or touched something I shouldn't after seeing some people going 3.8 at ridiculously low voltages.

So, I cleared CMOS and started over with the default auto values on absolutely everything but RAM speed and noticed that 3.7 actually works on stock auto voltages. Now I'm stress testing 3.8 @ 1.3V with CPUZ while temps never go above 80ºC with the stock Spire cooler (we're at almost summer temperatures in central Spain btw) and it's been going strong for like half an hour. What other tests I could throw at it to make sure it's rock solid?

>>59886838
I did. It's really noticeable in gaming smoothness if you have a >75Hz monitor. Braindead decision if you do some actual work with your computer.

>>59886849
are you sure it's 80C? do you have ryzen master updated?

talk me out from buying MSI Carbon Pro please

>>59885173
>missing half of its cache
So basically it's 4+0 ccx configuration I suppose instead of 2+2?

>>59886849
I hear about Prime95 a lot so maybe give that a try.

>>59886870
Literally downloaded it a couple of days ago when I built this thing. 80ºC while stability testing with a stock cooler is not something I'm afraid of, honestly. I could just scale it down to 3.7 during summer or just throw a Noctua in there.

>>59886849
>What other tests I could throw at it to make sure it's rock solid?
I usually use intelBurntest.

Make sure your CPU doesn't actually burn up.
... Ryzen has thermal throttle, right?

>>59886908
No, it's 2+2.

>>59886913
it should auto shut down at above 75C

3.8 at 1.3 is really good though, test it longer
throw handbrake, cinebench and some game at the same time at it

>>59886925
How do they disable half of L3 on both CCX? Do you have a source on that BTW? The 1500X is confirmed 2+2, but I've never seen anything about the 1400.

>>59886934
they can laser off 50% of L3 on each CCX side?

>>59886913
what board are you using by the way?

>>59886941
Fuck if I know. Although AMD usually didn't laser off anything in the not so distant past.

>>59886933
Interesting, maybe it's actually reporting 20ºC higher like the R7 X-versions? It would be nuts if I'm actually running it at 60ºC on full load with a fucking stock cooler.

btw, CPUZ already crashed the PC, trying now with 1.32V

>>59886934
>Ryzen 5 1400: 4 cores (2+2), 8 threads, 8MB L3 (split 4MB per CCX), 2MB L2, 3.2GHz to 3.4GHz, $169

http://www.legitreviews.com/amd-ryzen-5-cores-are-disabled-in-symmetrical-pairs_192827

>>59886978
I see, I wonder if that's a limitation of some kind.

>>59886974
Actually that's what one should expect because HS is soldered.

>>59886933
>>59886974
>it should auto shut down at above 75C

Nah, seems to be a motherboard thing, rather than protection on the chip itself. My 1700 doesn't shut down at 75 on the Taichi. I've had many spikes over 80 during stress testing, despite averaging around 70.

>>59886991
Yeah, i mean, I'm touching the side pannel which is really near the CPU (horizontal cube case) and it's just warm while testing, and the air coming off the fan exhausts is not even hot.

It's nuts how Intel has conditioned us to expect crazy high temperatures thanks to the jizz below the lid.

What's the best mATX motherboard for Ryzen?

>>59887068
All of the current mATX boards are cheap B350 trash so far. The X300 chipset that's coming soon is entirely focused on mATX and mini-ITX boards, so they'll appear alongside that.

>>59887098
>You have to buy the best mobo on the market, even if you don't buy the best CPU :^DDD

>>59886961
MSI Mortar. Looks solid and is the only one with 3 x 4 pin PWM connectors + the CPU one, which is exactly what I need.

>>59887109
I don't give a single shit what you buy, friend. But none of the current B350 boards are any good. They all have garbage tier VRMs and the mATX ones are even worse. That's why they're the absolute cheapest boards on the market.

>Corporations like doing me a solid so they sell me top motherboard for $70 :^DDD

Hope you're not planning on overclocking at all, as even the ATX B350 boards with larger heatsinks are seeing 100+ degree VRM temperatures due to the lack of phases and shitty parts used.

Buying the absolute shittiest board you can find for a platform that's going to be around for years just seems a bizarre decision to me. At least it can be justified with Intel by the fact that they change sockets once a year and you can't overclock their budget chips anyway.

>>59887109
>buy shit tier board
>I-i-it's okay b-because I only bought the 1500X!
>want to upgrade two years from now
>buy 1800X for $25
>go to insert it and remember your $80 board exploded six months ago and kill your whole family

>>59887227
You aren't going to buy a new CPU of the same socket, unless you're an extreme spender.

>ATX B350 boards with larger heatsinks are seeing 100+ degree VRM temperatures
Never occurred to you that they could be incorrectly reported?

Ryzen isn't really a good buy if you have to drop more money on the mobo than the CPU.

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probably wont go for it, but whats the opinion on the MSI x370 Titanium?

>>59887275
The 1800X doesn't overclock particularly well, so you'd be fine. It's a 95W part.
I have an old Intel board with I believe 3 phase doubled and unheatsinked VRM and it can easily do over 100W with an OC i5 750. (also 95W processor.)

>>59887329
Overpriced garbage.

>>59887291
I kinda expect AM4 to be the new AM2, having at least partial cross-compatibility with future CPUs for years, not months.
Also dropping more money on CPU than on mobo is extreme spending.

>>59887371
You should be keeping your CPU for around 4-5 years. The socket is likely going to be obsolete by then.

>Also dropping more money on CPU than on mobo is extreme spending.
Both will be tossed away at the same time, so no, it's not. You don't need the extra features that X370 gives. Maybe you could squeeze out a tiny bit of extra performance, but for the price tag, it makes no sense at all.

Ryzen is so vcore capped that overclocking is basically settled, barely any "silicon lottery", the lottery is mainly about +/-50mhz.
If you're gonna suggest a non-x over an x version, you make absolutely no sense at all.

>>59887329
most expensive least working board right now

Which B350 mobo would you recommend, considering all the BIOS issues and RAM compatibility?
MSI Tomahawk, Asus B350-Plus, Gigabyte 3 or ASRock Pro4/K3?
Really only want stable OC with 3000+ RAM.. seems to be too much to ask for, sadly.

Are $100 motherboards really that bad?

>>59886835

That's not the same.
Die->Solder->IHS-> Normal paste->Waterblock
isn't the same as Die->Solder->IHS->Liquid metal->Waterblock

>>59887632
Use a temp gun and check

lower end boards get caps rated at 5000 hours at 105C

>>59887291
>You aren't going to buy a new CPU of the same socket, unless you're an extreme spender.
Speak for yourself, retard. I've bought a 1600 in the expectation of upgrading to a Ryzen+ chip next year or whenever. You need to get out of the Intel mindset of a socket a year, with no performance improvements. I still have the decent AM3 board that I bought in 2009 (still works perfectly too), which started off with a Phenom II X3 720 and ended with a Phenom II X6 1090T (which I was running at 4GHz on said board until six weeks ago).

>Never occurred to you that they could be incorrectly reported?
Oh fuck you. There's zero credible explanation for why EVERY motherboard manufacturer would have somehow fucked up their temperature sensors. VRM temperatures are reported entirely seperately from the CPU or anything else. They have nothing whatsoever to do with BIOS updates or microcode updates or the operation of the CPU itself. They're simple fucking temperature probes on the board itself. There's no realistic potential to fuck that up for any company, let alone all of them.

>Ryzen isn't really a good buy if you have to drop more money on the mobo than the CPU
You're a dumbass. The ENTIRE value proposition of the AM4 platform is knowing that it will be around for years to come, with at least a couple of new lines of CPUs to drop into it as an easy upgrade. Not to mention that nobody even fucking suggested buying THE absolute most expensive motherboard on the market. You can get an excellent X370 board like the Asus Prime X370-Pro for around $150, which uses the same TI NexFETs as the Crosshair VI Hero, will last a decade and allow you to crank your CPU to its limits without missing a beat.

The idea that you're getting "value" by choosing to save $50 and buying some complete piece of shit that will crap out a day after its warranty expires is laughable. But then I suppose poor people aren't known for their smart investments.

Would a RX480 bottleneck the R5 1600?

>>59863602
so.... is this good or bad?

>>59888135
No. Unless you enjoy playing games at shit graphics 720p.

>>59888165
It's a lie you dofus
http://wccftech.com/amd-ryzen-am4-motherboard-round-up-msi-gigabyte-asrock-asus-x370/

>>59888135
No lol, also if you're concerned, Vega is comming soon, that should be great for 1440p.

>>59888177
No I just want a decent 1080 GPU without paying too much.

>>59887904
What are you talking about?
Ryzen is not thermal bound

Die->heat pipes->heat fans is within 1C of Die->solder->IHS->heat pipes-> heat fans.
The solder is transferring the heat extremely well onto the IHS, which then transfers the heat extremely well to the heat pipes.

You will not get lower temperatures from adding another layer of liquid metal, and an IHS. Bare die with liquid metal for direct contact with the cooling solution will give you the lowest temperatures you can get.

>>59888202
RX 480 isn't a gtx 1080... What?

>>59888239
1080p gaming gpu, so I was thinking of rx480

>>59888202
The RX480 will be on its knees far before the R5 1600. The RX480 is about the same performance as my GTX 980 and that is just barely bottlenecked by a 2.3GHz Haswell CPU in some games above 60 FPS.

>>59888083
Most people are still on their 2500K or 2600K.
You still don't entirely need to get a new CPU either, you can still wait for the next line, or the 2500K is getting a bit too weak by now.

If you're buying a CPU every year, then I don't even know... That's wasting so much money.
Especially with the game market atm, with extremely few games worth even watching on a stream.

>>59888251
A rx 480 is about the same as a gtx 980, or a gtx 1060.
gtx 1080 is way above rx 480

How many p-states should I set?

If I game, I want everything max overclocked, but if I browse the internet and watch videos, I want it the lowest as possible without lagging.

What is the auto minimum clockspeed and core-voltage for the 1600 CPU?

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I need a pc ASAP, I'm going to buy a R5 1600 because it's the best possible cpu for my cenario.
The question is, is it possible to have the PC with no GPU?

Considering the R5 1600 has no integrated gpu can the pc still work? I haven't decided on the gpu yet, but I may grab a rx580 or a gtx1070.

Also, is Gigabyte AB350-GAMING 3 [ GA-AB350-GAMING 3] a good mb? I'm fucking retarded when it comes to hardware and this is my first build after 4 shit laptops, pls help

>>59863059
For gaming, the extra cores are almost useless. With a 1600X you're almost guaranteed to hit 4.0 GHz on an overclock.

You'd need a 1800X for the same odds on an R7.

Ryzen needs clocks and mem OC to get better at gaming.

>>59860698
It still lumps everything in one or two groups so no. It will be awhile afaik.

>>59888329
No.

Just get a cheapo GPU from craigslist or a pc junkyard.

Some of the ryzen mobos don't even come with Video Output.

You surely consider this to be a temporarly solution. But you can get a Rx460 or something for $100

Should I use UEFI overclocking or the Ryzen Master tool?

With the AMD tool, I could overclock only 2 cores to 4Ghz and leave the rest at 3.6Ghz or so.

>>59888464
I really don't want to do that, I don't want a gaming gpu like rx 460, something similar to intel hd graphics would be more than enough.
Should I just buy the HD5450 @ 30€?

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>>59888358
IOMMU groups might be an arch problem that will require a workaround. Pic related.

>>59888464
It will be interesting to see what how the new APU's perform. Personally I prefer AMD's where you either buy a gpu as well or go for an APU.

https://youtu.be/UtyaGppWknE

>>59888345
not necessarily.. battlefield 1 benchmarks show how much threaded optimisation can do

>>59888293
>watches streams
>talks about worth
please.

219 is nothing per year = amd
100+100+219 is a lot per year = Intel

getting just the CPU once two years for 200 is good proposition

>>59888838
Your argument may hold some value, but this has nothing to do with amd vs intel.

If you have to spend $300 on a mobo, AMDs price to performance drops drastically. The the point where intel can compete again (but I guess this board suggests everyone buy a $300 mobo for intel too).

>>59863698
>Each phase has its own choke, capacitator and mosfet, that's what a phase is

A phase is when parts of a switch mode voltage regulator operate at different time shifts relative to each other. You have to have at least one inductor and switching transistor per phase in every topology I've seen but that doesn't mean parts count translates to phase.

If the tech review """press""" was more than label readers we wouldn't even be counting phases. What we would see is graphs of output voltage as a function of current draw, temperature as a function of current draw, and component temperature as a function of current draw.

It's a voltage regulator. Measure it's regulation

(Vnoload-Vfullload)/Vnoload

Quit trying to impress gaymers by naming circuit components. A one phase regulator with 1% load voltage variation at a given current beats a 100 phase reulgator with 10% regulation at the same current. How many phases were chosen by the designer is a matter of marketing and achieving the desired performance at the lowest cost.

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>>59888895

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>>59888895
>What we would see is graphs of output voltage as a function of current draw, temperature as a function of current draw, and component temperature as a function of current draw.

What we would see is graphs of output voltage as a function of current draw, temperature as a function of current draw, and a graph of output voltage after a sudden change in current demand.

Fixed.

>>59888895
>>59888910
>>59888976
It's possible to get those specifications by reading the printings on those components and looking up their parts number on google.
If you trust the manufacturer's specs to begin with.

>>59888882
Are there budget x99 mobos? What about the others like the 270? All the Intel mobos are expensive when I've looked.

>>59888083
The $80 B350 boards should be good enough for 3.7GHz on ryzen 5, at least I hope so.

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>>59889038
Not really. A modern switch mode regulator is composed of many parts different manufacturers. You'd have to create models of the parts involved and then simulate them and hope your simulation is valid. On the other hand tech """press""" gets these motherboards for review for free and could do the testing which is better than any simulation.

>>59889231
I have the shittiest B350 that has no VRM cooling and it has been running my 1700 at 3.95ghz/1.35v since the launch just fine. The VRM is not going to be an issue for any Ryzen 5's with any boards