AMD Ryzen Part 2: 4-way Ryzen vs Intel: Double Blind Experiment

>>59859532
>Guess what disappointed?
Your mom's son?

>>59859532
>In GTAV, on system 1, it felt terrible, at some points the game hung up completely, it ruined the experience

>In Fallout4, on System 3, it did stutter, and there were even graphical glitches at 4k

>System 1;
>5960x

>System 3;
>7700k

>>59859670
>>In Fallout4,

Fallout 4 doesn't work at all.

>gaming has been done in 5 minute increments

fuck, why is it so hard to spend at least 30 minutes playing?

>>59859861
Because they don't have 50 people working for them who they can pay to play games for hours on end.

>>59859876
>professional journalism
>hey we skip investigation part because it takes time

and i'm talking not just about this channel, but in general tech journalism is a joke

>>59859861
Level1tech channel cares very little about gaming from what I know.

Hardware performance hit a plateau in 2012. You must be really retarded to argue over that.

>>59859911
While I agree the test SHOULD have been performed for a longer period of time, there is the argument that anything that happens in 5 minutes while only happen more in the half hour of play.
But then, there's the argument, that it may not.

>>59859861
>take a day, work 8 hours, two guys on each computer
>both test a game at the same time during half an hour
>they dedicate one hour per game
>at the end of the day they tested 8 games
>take another day do the same
>third day they write the review with all the data gathered

Eventually they can just set up other computer and ask for someone to help them, you can always find a friend that will do that for free. It's not like playing a shitty game require skills

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>>59859532
WHY NO ONE EVER BENCHMARKS FRAME TIMES? ALL THEY TEST IS THE FUCKING STATISTICAL AVERAGE FRAMERATE WHICH IS WORTH NOTHING IF THE FRAMETIMES ARE SHIT!!!!!!!!!!!!!

>>59859532
tldw: intel disappointed

>>59859532
Conclusion:

"It's all the same shit"

>>59860007
which was weird since it contradicts middle part of the video

>>59860007
How surprising!
How can they not notice the 10FPS difference at 130FPS

>>59859532
They say there isn't much difference, yet system 2 & 4 never had any stuttering, according to their own testimonies. Which would mean the Ryzen system is smoother, even if the differences are small.

>>59860020
>CPU has a stutter for half a second
>this game is LITERALLY UNPLAYABLE FOREVER

Nah, it's all the same shit, as said the differences are at best academic

>doing interview
>only mentions 1 and 3 stuttering
>conclusion
>1 and 3 turned out to be the intel systems
>w-well they were all pretty much the same and they all stuttered a little bit
lel

>>59859973
witnesses report that gta5 stutters hard every 10 minutes on i7, all I know aobut it is people talking, i'd lvoe to see somone dare to make real research on this
so more sample rate(time/frames during that time) - more consistent, precise results

>>59859670
>fallout 4
Gamebryo is shit regardless of what system it is on.

>>59860033
which they deftly left inbetween the lines. They never spelled it out.

>>59860059
>20ms of stutter every 10 minutes

>THIS CPU IS UNUSUABLE REEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE

>>59860045
>CPU has a stutter for half a second

well, it indicates CPU limits showing already

They seemed genuinely shocked when they found out which systems were which. Were they intending to shill for intel and had to spin it at the last minute?

>>59860091
do you know why some people prefer rock solid 30fps on consoles to 50-60 fps on PC?
because it feels better
same way 144hz monitors do not give you any edge, or performance - they just feel better
cheapest "feel better" CPU was $400 until recently(with crazy overpriced x99 board)

now it's $250

I like L1 channel a lot, but this anon is right
>>59859861

why even bother, in 5 minutes you can't even stabilize overall system temps.

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>>59859670
>>59860050
>>59860059

Wendel himself said that he doesn't play games, this was only tested because manchildren want their games when they have 150 other sites that focus on gaming.

>>59860163
that's the interesting part, people that do not play games are more sensitive to this kind of thing

>>59860131
>now it's $250

no anon, now it's taboo.
Something we can't mention because it's subjective, has no real test methodology, only autistic super powers can barely notice, and galvanize the narrative supporting the other camp.

>>59859532
Pricing of the i3/i5 line up just needs an improvement and a REAL IPC improvement while we're at it.
Ryzen 5 was never meant to beat an unlocked i5 in a direct apples to apples comparison in games or tasks that are heavily single threaded or don't quite make use of more than 4 cores. Any one who tries to claim otherwise is a complete retard because that much should've been obvious. But see the thing is, AMD never had to beat Intel in the IPC game because as long as AMD comes close enough at a considerably lower price, that's MORE than enough to shift people to buy from Intel to AMD.
Take a look at the i7-6900K vs the R7 1800X. The i7-6900K is a bit better in some applications and trades blows with the R7 1800X in other cases. But that minuscule difference isn't worth $500. That's where AMD is beating Intel. MOST people don't need the Quad Channel memory support or the 40 PCI-Express lanes but it's still certainly a selling point. For those people who don't care about the cost, the choice here is obvious.
That being said, Ryzen 5 is being targeted at people who do other things with their desktops. Maybe in the future 6/8 Core CPU's will be the gold standard in gaming applications, but the way I see it we're still wee bit far way from that. The way I see it, Ryzen 5 is a literally a gift from the Gods to the lower end budget streamers who don't have a garage full of cash to dump into their new gaming rig. To me that's the real purpose of Ryzen 5.
While people who purely game and don't edit pictures/videos/music or stream aren't going to be affected by the extra cores/threads on Ryzen 5 CPU's, but to those who DO it could be the difference between light and day.

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>>59860033
SHUT UP

>>59860183
And even to them there's barely any difference.
A few stutters over 5 minutes won't affect your purchase.

Level1tech are just dumb shills anyway, good objective channels are GamersNexus and Salazar Studios

>>59860243
did you skip to the end?

>>59860266
>crying manchild in need of haircut and monkey that burns down hardware every week due to gross incompetence, respectively.

Jesus christ I'd rather watch Linus, and that fag's clueless about hardware.

>>59860243
If the only noticeable difference is one stutters a little more why would you but that one?

>>59860266
medium-quality bait

>>59860289
4k netflix streaming, iGPU, Thunderbolt and Optane support are very good reasons.

>>59859994
I think i am onboard with this
There is nothing like booting up a emulator, but it keeps fucking stutter or missing screen syncs.
Or framerate refuses to stay stable, but you are stuck with 60hz Vsync on the top of it.

>>59860266
>good objective channels are GamersNexus and Salazar Studios
That's not how you spell Linus, the creator of Linux.

>>59860319
Is this bait?

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>>59860266

It's not just about the gaming. It's about streaming your game. Chatting in the background and other background tasks. You will get a smoother experience multitasking with Ryzen.

Also. Why are geeks girls butt ugly?

>>59860362
Who the fuck cares about the broad?

>>59860362
>Also. Why are geeks girls butt ugly?
Because if they were attractive they'd be too busy fucking chads.

>>59860362
well most are lesbians so....
>>59860415
only a few. most want to carpet munch jennifers.

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>>59860362
>Also. Why are geeks girls butt ugly?

This is unfair. She seems to suffer from a lower jaw deformity of which you can get surgery for, but, being in the states it would probably cost hundreds of thousands of dollars. It ain't her fault.

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>>59860319

THIS IS WORSE THAN THE HOLOCAUST!!!!! HOW DARE YOU DENY THE PROTOCOLS OF INTEL? WAS THIS EVEN DELIDDED? BY G-D YOU BLASPHEMED!

>>59861556
Is having no chin a US thing, I've never seen anyone looking like that irl in Europe.

>>59860266
>ShillerNexus
>good and objective
kek

>>59861772
Common.
As is having no spine.

>>59861753
>WAS THIS EVEN DELIDDED
I love this.
/g/ should just use delid this instead of others.

>>59861753
>having to void the warranty and risk breaking your stuff so it can run ""properly""

>>59861901

If you listen to /g/ and other parts of the internet everyone delids the 7700k so it can actually hit 5ghz so its a given all 770k's will hit 5ghz and thus ryzen is shit.

>>59861772
It's extremely uncommon pretty much everywhere. The people who do have it probably avoid leaving the house, though that may depend more on where you live and your mental health.

>>59859532
Why did they pic shut ugly bitch srsly? I cant fucking even watch her face

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>>59862272
>Why did they pic shut ugly bitch srsly? I cant fucking even watch her face

>>59861556
Damn she looks so much better
So does Ryzen

>>59859803
Funny how intel shills recoil at the thought of fallout 4 when it doesn't work in their favor

>>59860163
>Wendel himself said that he doesn't play games,
b a s e d

>>59860319
People like you are what's wrong with this world and thid board. U just can't accept anything. If you are buying a cpu like Ryzen you are probably gonna buy a seperate gpu so no need for igpu, are u literally retarded, igpus are just a waste of space on the cpu nowadays. You are so fucking stupid, if I saw u in front of me I would fucking rage so hard. U are fucking mentally retarded to be asking shit like that fucking Intel jew, go suck off that 6700 igpu or whatever it is you'll never use it anyway go pay that 400$ for it u fucking retard. I am so pissed rn at how dumb u are, u are ruining this board and just making an idiot out of yourself. Please just stay off the internet in general if u are gonna ask questions like these u fucking attention seeking intel bastard. All u guys want is attention now because amd is the only one doing stuff. I bet you still live in your mum's house and suck ur dad off for that nice 6700 igpu. ITS SO NICE HAVING AN IGPU LOOK AT ME AMDFAGS HAHAHA AMD IS FINISHED NO IGPU, AMD BTFO. SHUT THE FUCK UP I WILL KILL YOU YOU STUPID FAG, STOP POSTING USELESS THREADS LIKE THESE U FUCKING RETARD. U made me so mad I wanna punch the wall and hope there's you on the other side so it would shatter your dumb skull you stupid fuck. I bet you are gonna make another shit thread after this one gets removed because it is SHIT just like your igpu and your shit intel cuck cpu. So fuck off to another board or off 4chan, because u can't handle us or even basic logic like why there isn't an igpu in ryzen cpu's. Can't wait for the release to see you cry and be mad at yourself for spending so much of your dad's money on a shit intel cpu with an igpu u won't ever need. JUST FUCK OFF!! AND IF U EVER MAKE A THREAD LIKE THIS AGAIN, I WILL MAKE SURE YOU WILL NEVER VISIT THIS SITE AGAIN. So bye intelfaggot and I hope I'll never get to see you or one of your threads ever again!!

>>59862985
Still get a nice laugh after the third time.

>>59859532
>double blind GAMING experiment

WHY ARE PEOPLE STILL ASSUMING THE RYZEN IS A GAMING CPU

IT'S FOR VFX/3D/VIDEO EDITING/STREAMING/OTHER SHIT. IT'S NOT GOOD FOR GAMING UNTIL GAMES OPTIMIZE FOR 8+ CORES.

FOR FUCK'S SAKE.

>>59863073

And yet Intel still gets BTFO in this experiment.

>>59863073
See
>>59860163

>>59863073
It does some 7-10% worse in gaming but demolishes when cores are put to use, hardly what I'd call "not for gaming", it's not the most optimal, and the difference is negligible once you increase the resolutions

>>59859911
It really isn't, audience interest is a joke [though]

>>59860007
thermal paste? Doesn't matter
airflow? doesn't matter
cable management? doesn't matter
single/dual channel ram? doesn't matter
as long as cpu is modern 8 thread+? doesn't matter
2017

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>>59861556
Fucking this, someone should crowdfund it too!

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>>59861753
I delidded ur mum bitch.

>>59862018
The ones broken from bad delids wont hit 5ghz
Hell, they wont even hit stock

>>59863073
It's perfectly fine for gaming, stop spreading this bullshit like everyone on earth is playing at 1080p 144hz and loses their mind if they lose 10-15 FPS at over 100 FPS.

>>59863260
Doesn't Freesync make the monitor wait for the frames anyway? Would people even notice if frames dropped?

Next year I'm saving up $2500 for a monster setup, already have $1200 ready.

4k (hopefully 100Hz) IPS/VA monitor
8 core Zen2
Top Navi or Volta (hopefully Nvidia fixes their DX12 drivers)
Some good speakers.

Shit's gonna be awesome.

>>59863260
if you're buying a ryzen cpu and all you're doing is gaming, you're wasting your money on sub-optimal hardware.

I would love to have one because I use my PC for things other than gaming, but buying one just so you can game is fucking stupid when there are better performing alternatives for the price.

>>59863293
>hopefully Nvidia fixes their DX12 drivers
you know this is never going to happen

>>59863315
Then they'll get buttblasted when Vega is benchmarked

>>59863315
Really? I'm thinking Nvidia will be thrilled when Vega demolishes the 1080Ti on testbeds running Ryzen CPUs when they could have avoided making their GPU look bad.

>>59863304
It runs current gen games a tiny percent better while leaving you with a higher price tag, zero upgrade options and poor future prospects as far as performance is concerned.

>>59863278
I don't know, ask the shills constantly blaring the i7-7700K as the god-king of CPUs.

>>59863304
Well, if you do nothing but play games, then get a 7700k I guess? But I kinda like having a browser with a lot of tabs open, IRC, skype, steam, OBS in some cases, and downloads in the background.
I won't lose hair over 10% FPS

>>59863331
They'll just pay reviewers to use the 7700K

>>59863424
Way too fishy, Anandtech has breached the subject to the masses on Nvidia's DX12 drivers with their R5 review, on top of there being no small amount of blog and youtube videos about it, any funny stuff will be obviously noticeable now.

>>59859532
JESUS FUCKING CHRIST THERE'S A GOBLIN IN THE FUCKING VIDEO A REAL LIVE FUCKING GOBLIN

>>59863584

Wendel is sexy.

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>>59863584
Don't be mean, lol

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>>59863613
Wendel isn't a goblin, he's a troll.

>>59859994
They test them if they're doing GPU reviews.

>>59863472
Can't wait for someone to break out the Via chips and CPUID changers

Why the fuck do Intel OR AMD fanboys think they have a reasonable frame of reference on whether a one CPU or another "feeeeels better" outside of benchmarks? Do they just have 2 current high end systems set up exactly the same? There are probably 6 people that switched from a 7700k to a 1800x.

>>59864162
Reviewers do, and a good number of them mentioned that.
But they're all paid by AMD anyway so it doesn't count

>>59864162
>REEEEEE STOP BUYING AMD GOY

>>59860266
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=L4K7eIEAJx0

>>59859670
delet

>>59859861
>>59859911
>play 30 minutes
>forget how it performs
>make shit up
do you even blind test?

Why aren't blind experiments the norm when testing hardware? It weeds out clear bias. It also demonstrates "real world" performance. People get caught up in a frame difference between hardware, but don't ever actually mention how one system might feel pretty fucking different.

>>59861772
it's the chemicals in the water.

>>59860266
>GamersNexus and Salazar Studios
they are pretty dumb to me.
>disassembling nintenderp switch
>disconnect the battery last

>>59864579
That title, kek.
>still buying starved quad cores in $CURRENT_YEAR
It's getting bad and you niggas are overestimating your CPU's lifespan. I dare say they might get fucked up at the end of 2018.
Why not buy a 1600? That is, by far, the best value CPu out there. You are getting a great CPU like the 5820k for far less and still have headroom to grow.

>>59864745
numbers sells.
just like the specs.

>>59864745
Reviewers are CPU testing by benchmarking at 1080p/medium because "muh futureproofing".

It is hilarious though to see people upgrading from something like an i5-7600k to a Ryzen 1800. When they're called out on how ridiculous it is they're all "y-yeah I edit videos...". I mean holy hell even Haswell CPUs are still perfectly good.

>>59859532
Jesus those are some of the least charismatic people. If they can get subscribers so can I.

>>59864935
The irony is that the 7700k shows much better future proofing than any ryzen CPU.

>>59864947
They split off from another tech channel after the main owner got caught embezzling funds for gifts for his tranny gf.

>>59864989
(You)

>>59864989
>No graphs
>No links
Shekelchasers on suicide watch.

I'd rather see empirical data than this shit. This shit is meaningless. Just look at /v/. Two people talking about the same game, one says it's the great thing ever, the other says it's shit.

>>59863278
I don't know how does it exactly work but I have a 144Hz Freesync monitor and the difference between my old 3570K and my new 1600 is like night and day. With the old build, everything would turn into a stuttery mess with apparently bad frametimes whenever the average FPS went beyond 80 or 90 while lots of action was happening on screen.
With Ryzen everything is fucking buttery smooth. If you're still holding to Sandy/Ivy and have a high refresh rate monitor don't do this to yourselves and upgrade.

Corelet do they even learn

>>59865448
>first guys said 1 and 3 had stuttering
>chick said 3 had stuttering
>last guy said 1 and 3 had stuttering

When you have 3 people naming the same systems in a blind test that is pretty compelling.

>>59860033
What they said was that if they had to nit pick, those two systems are perfectly fine but not the best.

And before I get called a jew, just bought my ryzen rig today.

planning a 6/8 core upgrade for over a year, amd came out at the right price and the right performance so fuck yea didn't need to get a 6800/6850

>>59864989
Can't tell if trolling or just retarded.

>>59862272
because hot ones aren't into tech, they got by on looks alone and never developed a brain.

>>59865664
It's like, no fucking shit a system with more multithreaded resources and better SMT at it's disposal is going to be smoother. But you have to practically shove it into Intelcucks face and force them to admit it.

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WTF is wrong with her body?

>>59863348
because when they say a frame drop, that is a 144 fps down to 80 or I think the i7 had a 40 .1 low, THAT massive a frame drop is noticeable no matter what, what free sync helps with is not noticing a shift from 144 fps down to 90, or in a more limited setting 70 down to 40.

It improves responsiveness because it delivers frames the ms its fucking ready, it allows you not not be effected by poor frames, not able to outright ignore them.

>>59866288
b-but muh 50GHz single-threaded performance

>>59866344
At least you can totally dominate those Javascript benchmarks. Look, the bloated-as-fuck nytimes dot cawm loads 0.1 second faster. Take that, AMDumbasses!

>>59859994
Digital foundry always look at frame times.
They're pretty much the only reviews I watch any more.

>>59866304
Why are you so concerned with what she looks like?

>>59866304

She's not airbrushed and a plastic surgeon isn't on speed dial?

>>59863073
>WHY ARE PEOPLE STILL ASSUMING THE RYZEN IS A GAMING CPU
Because it's better at that too?

Less stuttering, which for some reason, somehow, doesn't show much on frametime measurements. (then again nor did microstuttering from SLI and AMD GPUs both 5 years ago)

Lower input delay.

So many people are saying that Ryzen is smoother.
And this was a 85hz test so it's not a going up to 160fps and dropping down to 110 sort of thing.
The 7700k should not drop below 85fps, right? Yet it looked jittery to them on two games.

I have a feeling there's something going on that the normal measurements aren't picking up, like how it took a while to measure the microstuttering that people were seeing years ago.

>>59862720
But it used to be so good for it THAT'S NOT FAIR

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>>59866541
>So many people are saying that Ryzen is smoother.

I remember this same observation from back in the day. AMD processors seemed to always enable a smoother perception of performance compared to Intel even although maximum frames in games may have favored Intel.

>>59866585
Why did AMD always make horrible ads

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>>59866596
>tfw you find amd's ad quite endearing

>>59866770
Calling a processor clawhammer is fine when it's internal, marketing it as a clawhammer is not a good strategy.

guys I still cant fucking decide between the R5 1600 or the I5-7600k!!!

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>>59866801
Everything is fine when you have competent marketing people. They could've gotten inspiration from Soviet propaganda, just like they did for the Red Team material (which is quite appealing desu).

>>59866844
>guys I still cant fucking decide between the R5 1600 or the I5-7600k!!!
seriously? What makes it so unclear that the 1600 is better? It's basically the 2500k of 2017.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JypkqwpOtNI

It's cheaper, better, more power efficient.

>>59862720

what's wrong with fallout 4? it's capped at 60fps and shouldn't be unlocked. the game speed is tied to the framerate

>>59866887

Sold! thanks bro

I have my computer muted. I want all of these people to die though.

>>59866801
It can sell the thing to retards who will go for edgy names, while people with brain won't give a fuck about the name and decide based on performance.

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Gta V benchmark show ryzen wining on cpu demanding area, intel cuck got mad and ask to test difference area with less cpu usage...

>>59859532
I bet the gamer was a bigger disappointment.

>>59859532
What the fuck is the point of a double blind test when you can have actual metrics for framerate and stuttering?

>>59866397

>Consoleshill Foundry

Yeah, they are a great site. I just bought a Sony Playstation 4 to play Uncharted 4 at a superior 30 cinematic frames per second as per their recommendation!

>>59867061
Because you go looking for stuttering, instead run same area over, over again

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>>59867080
It's not like I can see a difference in anything higher than 30 FPS, Right? Right, guys? Guys, right? Guys? Right?

>>59863331
>when Vega demolishes the 1080Ti

Yeah just like Fury destroyed the Titan and AMD went back over 18% market share.

Oh wait, that never happened and neither will Vega perform past a x70 tier card.

>>59866899
>what's wrong with fallout 4?

Like every single Bethesda game it is made on an engine that is the video game equivalent of terminal cancer?

You get wild performance swings on the same PC between different start ups of the fucking game. You get 1000mhz more speed on your RAM and suddenly your FPS doubles but going from an iGPU to a mid range card gives you 50% more

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Is she disabled or what?

>>59867115
Are you a troll or mentally ill? If Nvidia has shitty DX12 drivers, it doesn't matter if it's superior, it'll perform like shit and Vega will win.

>>59866844
Nigga what? You're getting what is essentially a 6800k for almost half the price. It's by far the best priced Ryzen CPU out there. I personally would prefer the 1700, but the value the 1600 gives is unreal.

>>59867115
>neither will Vega perform past a x70 tier card.
You are retarded just like your spacing.

>cuckold 1

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>>59862018
5.2+ is possible without delid

You need it for 5.4

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>>59859532
Hey dickheads guess what?

Yeah amd still fucking sucks.

Enjoy getting the same performance as an $80 cpu in anything but mafia 3.

>>59867694
Perfect size to put up front and centre on your new desktop wallpaper you fucking cucks. You can even surround it with pepes and feels guys wearing red caps.

well at least amds walmart gear has spured intel to get skylake-x out earlier.

im expecting well over half a decade of solid performance

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>>59867694
>week1 benchmarks
>including a game that was already patched
wew, we got a faggot here

>>59867694
>day 0 benchmarks
Embarrassing shitpost.

>>59867694
Oh nice, he's flooding multiple posts with the same thing, too.

That's against the rules, as if your outdated misleading shit isn't bad enough.

>>59864849
>Ryzen 5 1600
The entire Ryzen lineup will be amazing once motherboard manufacturers get their shit together.

>>59867694
>obsolete benchmarks
You're fired, Rajeesh.

>>59866887
What B350 motherboards are actually worth investing in right now?

>>59867854
ASRock Pro 4 for mATX. Other options are the Gigabyte Gaming 3, MSI Mortar, MSI Tomahawk(if they fixed that long POST still happening)
Taichi or Aorus for ATX. But there are a lot of options here in the lower price range, but why would you not go mATX for lower price?

Just look at Newegg reviews for the most part, or do some research.

>>59866397
t. eurogamer shill

>>59867548
on golden samples while consuming upwards of 220 watts.

>>59867854
>motherboards
>investing in


hahahaha

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>>59867694

>old benchmarks

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Lol fucking AMD. When will you all learn?

http://www.techspot.com/news/68889-intel-skylake-x-kaby-lake-x-processors-rumored.html


> As The Tech Report notes, Skylake-X and Kaby Lake-X are expected to share the same LGA 2066 socket. Skylake-X processors are said to pack anywhere between six to 10 cores, support quad-channel DDR4 memory and have loads of PCIe 3.0 lanes. Kaby Lake-X parts, meanwhile, are reportedly limited to just four cores, dual-channel memory and far fewer PCIe lanes.


Skylake-X will be daddy as fuck.

>>59867938
>Kaby Lake-X parts, meanwhile, are reportedly limited to just four cores, dual-channel memory and far fewer PCIe lanes
DOA.

Just Wait™ for Skylake-X housefires.

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>>59867938
With tdps like these who can't resist that deal!
It's a free space heater!

>>59867938
>another new socket
You can't make this shit up.

>>59867938
Please explain how Skylake-X 10 cores are better in multithreaded applications (which you're getting a 10 core for to begin with), than the Ryzen 9 1950X with its 16 cores, 4.1Ghz boost clocks, and superior SMT.

Thanks.

>>59867938
New socket
No ecc support
housefire

Intelfag such cuck

>>59867938
>Delidlake-X will
Intel waitfags are such a fucking joke.

the only issues were system 1 and 3 and they were both inlet kek

>>59867994
112W is hardly house fire material

people run lightbulbs hotter than that

>>59867938
>only 2666 ram speed
>no ECC
what year is this?

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>>59868234
7700k is rated at 91W TDP.
In reality it puts out well over 125W in just normal fucking usage like gaming.

Even the 7350K overclocked hits near 200W.

>>59868234
112W is for the Kaby Lake-X quad meme

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>Go to purchase my R5 1500.
>Not available in Australia yet.

This will be me first AMD build and i have literally never waited so long in my fucking life, what is wrong with AMD. I almost want to build a fucking i5 rig out of spite.

>>59868343
>it's AMD's fault that the Aus retailers didn't order chips.

>>59868276
>thinks ECC is faster or makes games run better

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>>59867938
ftfy

>>59868361
Australian retailers do this shit so they can push off the more expensive chips, because they know we can't afford them at such a ridiculous premium.

AMD would have to willingly stagger the shipment for it to happen.

>>59868367
>HEDT with not fucking ECC

>>59868378
Yeah, I just don't think AMD is able to put pressure on the retailers in many countries the way they can get them to stick to MSRP or less in the USA.

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>>59868401
M8 i thought the waitfag meme was just a meme, but it is the most real thing i've ever experienced.

I wanted to build a computer, so i waited until Ryzen dropped. There's no way i'm shilling out for an unwarranted R7, so i decided to wait until the R5's dropped.

Then they dropped.

And now i have to wait a further week before i can get the one i actually WANT. And on top of that, there's no ITX boards available. The one form factor i wanted it in. What in sweet christmas christt.

>>59868437
lol.

I can buy shit now but I don't need to make it immediately. I have work to do and shit.
I got everything but the CPU since I'm wondering if 1600Xs might go on sale early on like the 1700Xs did.

I've always been patient since I was a teenager, though.
Plus I know even I could build it now, the BIOS are still ass, Windows scheduler is still not ideal, and it'll probably perform 10% better 2 months from now.

>>59868463
Well i'm Australian, and 38% of our 21 to 35 year old males are unemployed. So, as am i. I just want to play some games with my fiance in America.

>The BIOS are still ass.

Is that "Genuine performance problems" or "/g/ is autistic" ass.

>>59859967
good luck with your 2012 video card, retard

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>>59868483
>Is that "Genuine performance problems" or "/g/ is autistic" ass.
They work perfectly fine and don't cause lock ups or crashes, but the performance isn't what it should be.

Performance varies by 10% currently from one BIOS to the next on the same RAM. And not being able to run RAM that should run at 3200 at 3200 also hurts performance.
Still going to get 60fps+ in 99.99% of games but meh.

I think another 10% better performance with the current low edge cases over the current best BIOS on a given memory speed is a reasonable expectation.

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>>59859532
>fallout 4
Why the fuck would you use a game on the most broken engine possible?

>>59868553
Ehhhhhh, that doesn't really seem that big of an issue. The price/performance and optimisation that'll come in the future mitigates that for me.

Of course people on youtube seem to be catering to 12 year old's building their first desktop by making gaming the major comparative point.

>>59868565
I love how games are so un-optimised we use them as benchmarks now.

>>59868591
I'm not saying it's a big deal. It's just I'm not in any rush and it adds to how I can be patient.

>>59868565
Because you need an actual good CPU to not stutter in it. kek.

>>59868608
Well i understand that. I still hope AMD burns.

>>59860266
>Salazar Studio
Do I get to make Portugal Great Again if I watch his videos?

>>59868437
Don't forget to wait for Vega

And to wait for RAM prices to drop

>>59868314
because it runs at 100% in games all the time

ryzen runs 60% at most => much less power draw than doing stress test

>>59868816
Ryzen also draws much less power than Intel's octacores. Intel is back to their housefire status, deal with it.

>>59859532
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OZcCqnE5mRw&feature=youtu.be&t=5m37s

Here is another one where it's actually captured.

Despite only being at 50% cpu usage, the 6700k stutters.

And this is an old Korean game and shit. It's obviously not optimized for Ryzen or anything.

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>>59862985
This pasta is gold

Why do you not just do more invasive benchmarks if framerates aren't good enough? There's plenty of tools you could use.
Fucking consumers man. Ruining computers since 1987.

>>59869106
Most tech reviewers rely on software tools which do not catch a lot of these stutters.
You need hardware tools monitoring the feed coming from the video output, and the picture itself. That's too expensive and too much work for your tech blogger and youtuber.
Gamer's Nexus has such tools they attempted to use to benchmark VR, but as Scott Wasson mentioned: there was a good deal that they missed like when the warp to the other screen isn't done.

In short:
Not a single tech reviewer/analysis is doing a good job right now.
There probably really is a measurable stutter issue with Intel CPUs that isn't being caught with software analysis.

I see these frame times that show that it seems the Intel CPU only had a single slow frame that's still only 1/40th of a second. Yet, it appears to be more like a quarter of a second or half second that hangs to the monitor.

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People keep dismissing the smoothness as "no one can find the measurements" but Anandtech did find possible ways to measure it.

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>>59869299
Here is the same stat for civ VI

>>59869299
>>59869313
That's compared to a 7600, though.

Tons of people, reviewers and consumers alike, are saying the i7-7700k still stutters and that Ryzen is subjectively smoother.

That's despite the 7700k seemingly never dropping under 60fps.
Like in the OP, they tested FO4 on a 85hz monitor. I imagine that didn't drop under 60. It shouldn't have stuttered, but it does. People that game on them know they do.

>>59868728

Wait a second, he's portuguese?
I thought he was american, he doesn't even show a portuguese accent when he speaks, and our accent is pretty noticeable.

>>59869372
Dude, no, look at the channel name.

>>59869336
>subjectively

yet cant provide the numbers


hmmm go play with your cheese and wine friendo

thius is a numbers basaed bored

>>59869387

His twitter cleared it up.
>Lcation: Louisiana

Knew it, you wouldn't willingly give the name of a dictator to your channel. Well maybe /pol/ would love a tech channel called Hitler Reviews, but that's going off topic now.

>>59859532
>>59859670
>The whole idea of systems being better, noticeable smoother, was not really the case. They all were pretty much the same.

What did he mean by this?

>>59867112
something that jumps around between 60-90 fps might be more noticeable than 30 solid

>>59860163
wendel seems like the most competent person in the entirety of youtube
him and louis rossman should design an SoC

>>59868827
AMD fags are the worst lel.

My 7 year old xeon x5650 can still keep up with ryzen 5 series LEL.

>>59869599
Keeps up in what?

>>59864162
what? we've had 5 years of intel getting measly 5 percent gains and NOTHING out of amd
intel enjoys a 50 billion dollar market share so you better fucking believe people switched when they realyzen they get the same feel or better for less money
anticompetitive practices come next, i got the popcorn ready

>>59860266
the second half gave the bait away

>>59869611
shitposting

>>59869645
this.
perfectly said anon

>>59869599
In everything.

Cinebench scores are as high as R5 1500X

>>59869236
Interestingly they find 5960x stutter, at first I thought it just corelet problem

>>59868928
This game intel ahead 20fps on some scenario, cpu usage not even 100% yet it stutter as fuck

Intel get fuck now. putting more core wont save them

>>59869720
learn english faggot

>>59868928
things that for years people thought were software issue actually turns out to be that 4 cores is not enough

wow.

>>59869422
Those two people are way tangent though, Salazar was actually a good dictator and considered in a recent voting the best Portuguese of all time.
Yep offtopic, lets just stop here.

>>59869820
>4 cores is not enough

>System 1;
>5960x

>>59869937
He's talking about that video with 1700x vs 6700k.

>>59869951
It was a problem for the Intel 8 core in Level1Tech's test as well (subjectively)

>>59869820
The Intel CPU is only at like 50% load yet stuttering in many of those cases, though.

There actually seems to be some sort of architecture or microcode flaw causing them to stutter.

>>59868492
A 7990 is fine today if you don't mind a housefire

>>59870004
which is weird, aren't intels for single threaded super IPC dependent korean MMOs?

>>59870039
>which is weird, aren't intels for single threaded super IPC dependent korean MMOs?
You'd think.

But pretty much everyone, in general, are saying they notice Ryzen is smoother and Intel stutters in tons of games.

Amd do have bigger L2 cache, maybe this is it ?

>>59869889

I'll continue for just a bit more. I know the voting, I am portuguese after all. But you have to remember the tv channel that did it is mostly viewed by the "back in my time those were the days" elderly (really, Álvaro Cunhal in second? Not denying his influence, but there's a lot of people that did way more for the country than him).
And Salazar was not a benevolent dictator, period. Countless people were immediately arrested without trial for "treason" (as in disagreeing with his views), and even if not announcing outright executing anyone, many went missing never to be seen again.
Did he influence our country? Yes, greatly. Do you want to have your name associated with him? Probably not.

>>59870140
bigger L2 won't be a big deal.
It takes a few dozen more NANOSECONDS to get fetch from RAM instead. That is in-perceivable.

If it's true, it must be due to intel's architecture or microcode.
But since the beginning of time, back when we had Thunderbird and Pentium4, people felt AMD ran smoother when they were the same framerate..

Idk. Maybe it's some grand conspiracy to try and get more people to buy AMD over Intel when the performance is so close, since most everyone loves AMD when it comes to CPUs or loves the underdog.

>>59870220

Hard to call it a conspiracy when they keep winning in double blinds.

>>59864772
Hi alex

>>59868007
high tdp = free heating for the north

>>59869711
You know you're comparing a hex core to a quad core in a synthetic load that scales linearly with core count right.

>>59870038
Shit my 7950 is fine today, the fuck has come out that I can't play while still looking good?

>>59860147
>DELID DIS
i see what you did there

>>59859532
without even watching i know it's ryzen to dissapoint

amd was always cheap stuff

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>>59870473
>mfw intelfags deny the fact that ryzen had the smoothest gameplay

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>>59870473
it was intel you retard, watch the video

>>59870522
i don't mind a small dip for ONE fucking ms (1ms !)
if i get 30fps more on average

>>59867771
damn these are hard to read
why can't everyone show results like computerbase does

>>59870538
>i don't mind a small dip for ONE fucking ms (1ms !)

It was way more than one 1ms. Especially on the x5960 system the stutters affected somehow the gameplay.

>>59870526
>intelshill confused by 1 2 3 and 4

>>59870473
Fantastic Goy.

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>>59867938
I can't wait, fellow Intel(tm) enthusiast! I love paying for a new socket every year, it gives me the latest Intel(tm) technology, like Optane! Which is good for something! I guess!

>>59870790
Does different sockets really matter all that much? seems like each year Intel makes a new socket but what if they just reuse the same socket for the next 3 years instead of totally changing a few months later.

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>>59868234
>>59869599
Intelshills are this desperate.

>>59870538
> i don't mind a small dip for ONE fucking ms (1ms !)
> if it's Intel, because it's superior and I have it
More like that's the case.

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>>59859532
>System 3 had some really bad hiccups and glitching
>7700k

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>>59870600
computerbase uses jedec speeds
2133 for skylake and 2400 for ryzen

>>59870814
> but what if they just reuse the same socket for the next 3 years instead of totally changing a few months later.
They did it with LGA775. It's totally possible, but they decided that almost nobody switches CPU anyway, so why bother with compatibility when whey could try something new with voltage converters and clock generators every generation.

>>59870790
>Intel Designed Thermal Solution

>>59870814
>what if they just reuse the same socket for the next 3 years
yes, what if

>>59867112
Kill yourself

>>59870848
/thread

>>59867137
Why are you so concerned about her appearance?
Are you ugly inside?

>>59867938
>Will be
JUST WAIT(TM)! HAHAHAHAHA SHEKELCHASERS ON SUICIDE WATCH!

>>59869599
>No graphs
>No links
>No evidence
The Intel shitposting is just sad now.

>>59870473
>No graphs
>No links
>No evidence at all
Shekelchasers so BTFO they have to resort to naked shitposting.

>>59869599
Broadwell-E has 45% IPC without memory scaling over your Xeon
Ryzen is just BW-E with lower clocks

>>59867917
We're talking about AMD, not Intel.

>>59866451
>>59866524
White knight same fagging plz.

>>59859994
They are gonna show the results in-depth in a new video.

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>>59871358

>>59871227
Ryzen clocks higher by default, Broadwell-E will push 4.3ghz but at that point they require portable nuclear reactors and a radiator the size of a Xbox.

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>>59860131
>do you know why some people prefer rock solid 30fps on consoles to 50-60 fps on PC?
This fucking meme, when will it end.

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>>59859532
>85HZ MONITOR
>not 120 or 144
HAHAHA WHATS THE POINT?!

>all this damage control

>>59872000
>85HZ MONITOR
>not 120 or 144
>HAHAHA WHATS THE POINT?!
The point is that even at 85Hz, they still noticed stuttering on Intel CPUs.
Previously what a lot of people thought it was was when you were at 144fps, but it dips to 100, you can notice the difference even though 100fps is still really high because it was much less smooth than before.

To still see a lack of smoothness and stuttering at only 85hz shows just how bad the problem really is for Intel CPUs.

>>59872230
>The point is that even at 85Hz, they still noticed stuttering on Intel CPUs.
You fucking idiot. I want a decent testing. I don't care which side loses or feels more smooth.

But of course you don't care, for you it's
>HAHA GUIZ LOOK INTEL IS SHIT XD
God I hate fuckers like you, you don't care about knowledge you only care about finding the next little thing to highlight that your product is superior and shill it endlessly.

>>59872251
Is this bait?

>>59859803
Then why am I able to run it fine with a 390x and 4790k?

That's right, because you're full of shit.

>>59867843
Right it has nothing to do with amd shitty imc that can't handle high speed memory

>>59872338
>has no idea how hardware works

>>>/v/
>>>/reddit/

>>59872251
Let's lock frames at 85hz
Damn shit you realize running 120hz + feel much more smoothly?
Sorry remembered amd can't deliver this amount of frames

>>59872251
>I don't care which side loses or feels more smooth
>stutters are ok
Congratulations, you're the most retarded creature in the cosmos.

>>59872313
No it's not dipshit.

>>59872414
The fuck are you even trying to say?
They should have tested the thing at 60Hz because that's what most people have and then tested at 120/144hz.

>>59872432
>I don't care which side loses or feels more smooth
>stutters are ok
>Congratulations, you're the most retarded creature in the cosmos.
Are you some butthurt shill? I said I don't care which SIDE wins.
But of course your fucking fanboy/shill mind can't even comprehend such a concept so the only thing you can assume is that
>stutters are ok

FUCKING. RETARD.

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>>59872414
Yes. Frames locked to 85fps yet your "120fps CPU" keeps stuttering.
HMM.

>>59872461
>I don't care which side loses or feels more smooth
>I said I don't care which SIDE wins
Thanks for reinforcing the fact that you're the most retarded creature in the cosmos.

>>59872500
>denial mode
Didn't expect anything else form you faggot.
After all that's all you do, you live in denial and frame everything to paint your product in a good light and ignore/deny anything that doesn't follow that narrative.
Taking to you about good benchmarks that give people good info and data is like talking to a feminist and trying to persuade them that there isn't a patriarchy keeping them down.

They should have done ABX instead desu

>>59872552
>3 people do a blind test and name intel systems as the ones with noticeable stutter
>shills still deny stuttering exists

>>59872461
>>59872552
Even if you're not a shill, you're still an idiot. With anger management issues.

>>59872552
It's ok to get mad over the fact that you're the most retarded creature in the cosmos. Whether you accept this fact or not is irrelevant.

>>59872643
>shitpost
Nice argument there buddy.

>>59872645
>shitpost 3 times in a row, the same fucking thing.
Hows that damage control coming along? You feel better yet?

>>59872672
Delicious mad shill tears

>>59872702
>projecting

>>59859532
>intlel
>gayming

Thanks for the laugh.

>>59872461
dude, you seriously need to think about stylisation of your texts
take a course
it's so easy to tell that you are the same guy that's been posting photoshop results first 3 weeks

>>59859532

System 1:
Asus Strix X99
Intel 5960X @ 4.2ghz
GSkill 16-16-16-38 DDR4 @3200 (dual channel)
(silly x99 and still having memory compatibility issues)
Intel 750 1.2tb SSD

System 2:
ASRock X370 Taichi
Ryzen 1800x @ 4.1ghz
GSkill DDR4-3200 @ 16-16-16-34 3200mhz
OCZ RD400 NVMe

System 3:
ASUS Strix Z270g uAtX
Intel 7700k @ 4.5ghz
GSkill DDR4-3200 @ 16-16-16-34 3200mhz
Intel 750 1.2tb SSD

System4:
Gigabyte Aorus Gaming 5
Ryzen 1700X @ defaults
GSkill DDR4-3200 @ 16-16-16-34 3200mhz
Intel NVMe PCIe SSD 1.2tb

All systems used the NVidia GTX 1080, but we also did some pre-test testing with the ASUS Strix Fury to rule out nvidia/driver/dx11/dx12 issues. There is something interesting there, but the performance gap was there between the i7and ryzen.

Part 3 will be out tomorrow, and is a deep-dive with methodology and hard numbers on GTA V, and our analysis of those numbers.


Maxing out the 1800X but no 5.3ghz 7700K or 5.2ghz no delid?

No DDR4-3600 CL15

5960X clocks better than the 6900K and the latter can run 4.5ghz.

>>59859532
>>59872868

>>59868928
Intel stutter hard

>>59872908
>300W TDP

>>59872868
>As of 3/13/17, the top 21% of 1800Xs were able to hit 4.1GHz or greater.

>As of 2/22/17, the top 7% of tested 7700Ks were able to hit 5.2GHz or greater.

>>59859803

Fallout has the same shitty experience on anything that can run it. No one playing it complains because that is pretty much par for any Bethesda game. They have been putting off a new engine forever.

>>59859911

Its 3-5 people working on this shit and they have day jobs.

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>>59859532
>OCed ram
>OCed CPUs
>zero stability tests.
I'm disappointed. I expected better from them.

Any frame time negatives in this test are just from the lack of system testing for stability in games. Been well established since mobos with DDR4 support came out that OCed DDR4 has frame time issues. The amount of frame can decrease frame time issues on some games too.


Of course AMD fanboys/ignorants will run wild with this.

>>59873009
Most can get 5ghz. That probably wouldn't have completely removed the stuttering though.

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>>59873078

>>59873078
>Been well established since mobos with DDR4 support came out that OCed DDR4 has frame time issues
Then why did it only occur on the intel systems?

>>59873208
>Then why did it only occur on the intel systems?
BECAUSE don't you understand?
IGNORANT fan boy!

>>59873200
>>59873265
Fuck yourself.
>>59873208
AMD cpus could better handle the ram? Different sets of ram were used?

We are only going off of perceived experience here too. The AMD systems could have worse frame but it's stable. Basically there ain't a whole lot to go on and the video is clickbait.

>>59873273
I think the entire premise of the video was to be as subjective as possible.

>>59873299
That's fine but it may as well be clickbait given the timing.

>>59873273
A relatively stable 100fps feeling better than 120fps that periodically drops to 60 is kind of the point.

>>59873335
That's a pretty shitty point.

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>>59873323
Are you okay?

>>59873360
Not really. Would you rather have 120fps with stutters or a smooth 100fps? Numbers were just pulled out of my ass though. If you notice a stutter its obviously going well below 60.

>>59873323
What you say is clickbait someone else might say is interesting. Personally I don't see anything provocative about the title. In fact, the entire premise of doing a video like this kind of puts this entire debate into perspective about how ridiculous it is.

>>59872868
Nice another tailored test to show that ayymd is somewhat better.
Why not then use 7700k at least 4.9ghz? Then they somehow managed to use 3200hmz ram on ryzen,which is harder than to make it run 4.1ghz

>>59873396
Neither matter to me. They are jerk off numbers for retards.
>>59873397
That didn't really seem to be their goal. None of those systems are going to be that great for 4k which it seems to be what they used.

>>59872461
Every shitty CPU can handle 60fps even i3. 60hz don't matter for anything. Also 60 fps is shitty slow

>>59873418
Tons of boards are doing 3200 fine.

>>59873444
>Neither matter to me. They are jerk off numbers for retards.
Obviously you don't play games very much. Stutters are incredibly annoying.

>>59873481
I care about about static FPS for ULMB. Max and minimum fps is irrelevant unless you want to jerk off about them on forums.

>>59873492
>I care about about static FPS
anon...

>>59873492
How the fuck are 0.1% and 1% minimums irrelevant?

people are having trouble with 3000mhz not 3200mhz

>>59873530
Are you retarded or just this brain dead about frame time marketing?

>>59873548
meant for
>>59873418

>>59873492
Taking aim, about to kill.. suddenly stutter

how do intelfag defend this

>>59873552
If you see big spikes in frame time you will notice the stutter. Ideally you want very consistent frame times.

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>>59873572
>>59873584
>static fps
>stutters
Are you pretending to be retarded or are you two underage?

>>59873492
Holy shit kill yourself.

>>59873492
>static FPS
What the literal fuck did he mean by this?

Anyway, can we all just agree that the 4c/4t and 4c/8t paradigm had its time in the sun and it's time to move on? At least as far as "high end" PCs are concerned, Kaby Lake i7's shouldn't be on anyone's radar.

>>59873614
Let the buthurt flow, kiddo.
>>59873644
>memes
Another kid

Funny how brain dead you retards are to frame time marketing.

>>59873644
I can only assume he is talking about a frame rate cap.

>>59873644
Quad memes are becoming relics pretty fast.

>>59873572
They can't. >>59873656 is a braindead stupid shit.

>>59873781
Kid do you know what frame time is? Explain it.

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>>59860266
Made me kek

Don't forget AMD is using 1T timings as the default setting

>>59873961
i'ts not running default settings
>>59872868

>>59873644
>Kaby Lake-X is already obsolete
kek

Damn, you guys went a little out of there.
Sure, they reported the Intel systems having stutters, but the conclusion was that they're all fine.
I would still grab a 1600 or 1700 however.

>>59873656
Frame times are kind of a big deal when you're supposed to be receiving a new frame every 0.016 seconds (at the slowest) and your CPU decides to take a dump.

>>59874446
>0.016 seconds
Would you like to spout any more irreverent information?

>>59872868
>Maxing out the 1800X but no 5.3ghz 7700K or 5.2ghz no delid?
Dialing in 1.4v and 4.1Ghz takes less than a minute for 1800x and 95% of those chips can do it. Delidding 10+ 7700k's to find out a single chip that can do 5.3ghz is not only going to cost a fuck lot in money but also in time

>>59874463
>irreverent
Wow that info is really brash, huh.

Anyway, you're an idiot if you think frame times are unimportant. The averages don't tell the whole story if that's what you're implying.

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>>59874756
After 15 stop sign captchas I honestly don't care what the auto correct corrects to.

>frame time
>average
Do they not teach what static means in school anymore? I'll help you out kiddo. Static and average or not synonyms. Maybe you can understand some basic shit now.

>>59874972
Why do you keep bringing up "static" fps? Setting a frame rate is fine, but as soon as a frame is not delivered at the anticipated interval, the experience suffers. This isn't a hard concept to understand so I'm really not even sure what you're talking about. Frame time data is relevant and tells a lot about how well a game is running.