Ubuntu 17.04 General

Also I've read from some sources that Ubuntu GNOME will have GNOME 3.22 and others that it will have GNOME 3.24. Anyone know which it really is?

It's not an LTS

>>59857401
http://packages.ubuntu.com/zesty/gnome-session

3.24 seems to be the right answer

>>59857405
Is that a huge issue? I've had 16.10 installed for a while and it's never really not felt like an LTS besides GTK theme and Icon Support

>>59857422

Yes, for stability and I don't want to reinstall my system all the time.

>>59857415
Thanks, this is good and bad I guess
>>59857437
What do you run currently?

>>59857437

Upgrading between versions shouldn't be a problem.

>>59857415
>>59857401

Actually it seems to be 3.22.
http://packages.ubuntu.com/zesty/gnome

>>59857405
this, no non-LTS is going on my servers

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>>59857494
not that guy but I hear that upgrades can cause breakages vs a fresh install
>>59857500
that's probably a bit better for support I guess
>>59857514
Well I would hope so

>>59857547

I've only updated once between releases and it worked flawlessly.
Exit the X session, log into a TTY, run the updater, reboot and everything should work.

>better for support I guess
Not necessarily. 3.24 is the latest version, it has the latest bugfixes and should have less newly introduced bugs.

>>59857586
well there is bug fixes and such, there's definitely more compatibility with 3.22 which is what most people want, especially for GNOME extensions

Of you mature an OS so simple a bigger cash user if only a bigger so offset it

>>59857607

am I having a stroke right now?

Isn't this the one they are dumping unity on?

>>59857607
What the fuck are you trying to say.

>>59857386

Ubuntu Gnome isn't as good a a gnome-focused OS like Fedora. The integration isn't there and the team maintaining it are pretty new.

I would stay on lts and enjoy Unity while I can

>>59857607
Huh? What did you just say? Jordan are you alright bro?

>>59857662
unity is getting dropped from the official release on 18.04, but I hear that Unity 7 will still be in the repositories or something, Unity 8 and Mir will no longer be developed to my knowledge but the community has forked it to Yunit or some shit and is continuing it

There are Ubuntu spinoffs that already support GNOME, so integration shouldn't be an issue.

>>59857607
>>59857635
I think Jordan has a stroke

>>59857386
I have MATE 17.04 beta 2

it jest werks

What's new really

I mean, I'm willing to bet no one talks about it because nothing's really motivating. 18.04 is what people talk about since they're going to drop Unity. In fact, since they are, more people will probably move away from Ubuntu and use flavors because Unity is going to die anyways.

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What is the most stable Ubuntu flavor (or simply the most stable DE) when switching between iGPU and dGPU with nvidia-prime?
Tried GNOME, it wouldn't even let me login.
Tried Cinnamon, it would crash after login.
Tried Unity, all seems to work but it freezes everytime I unplug the external monitor from my laptop or even during shutdown.

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>>59859308
Forget about nvidia-prime and optimus switching, its so shit it's basically non-functional in linux. Why are you even running linux on a gaming laptop?

>>59857386
>Why isn't there a thread for this?
Because as much as people like to diss it, ubuntu "just werks"

There's nothing to discuss. If you want to tinker, you chose anything but an ubuntu or RHEL derivative, or a BSD. If you just want to get work done and get on with your life, you chose ubuntu, RHEL or their derivations.

Anything notable changed since 16.10? I use mainline

>>59859638
It's an XPS 15 and I want to train muh neural networks

>>59859308
>>59861098
So WTF do I do?

>>59861098
Then install nvidia nad intel drivers, and use the bios to switch between intel and nvidia gpus.

>>59860876
zesty seems fairly quiet (I've been using dev builds). They started testing Unity 8 and Mir just in time to get ready to drop it in 17.10.

There's not a huge difference from yakkety, or even xenial, other than newer builds of stuff.

>>59857386
I just deleted from my machine and replaced it with Fedora.

>>59861131
Doesn't that mess up with Xorg? I might legit do it, as things are now I have to reboot anyway to turn the Nvidia GPU on.

Why the fuck can't shit jus werk in 2017?

i386 support dropped.

Canonical is forcing you to become a consumer whore.

>>59861165
Because nvidia never oepn sources anything, including the API for optimus GPU switching. This isn't a problem on AMD gpu equipped laptops.

Fuck it I'm biting the bullet, going to upgrade from 16.04

>>59861208
>Forcing you to buy hardware you already have
Are you seriously implying you're using regularly an x86 machine from pre amd64?

If so, use Gentoo or someshit, Canonical can't keep supporting your outdated ass forever.

>>59857386
>GNOME release, however I'm worried that there will be a lot of breakages and incompatibilities with themes and extensions.

>GNOME

>breakages and incompatibilities with themes and extensions.


Yes, of course. Gnome is a developer DE, not an user DE.

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>>59861233
I have to, I sort of broke mesa a few weeks back.
>pic related
I've been waiting for this so I can reinstall, since reverting packages now would only break things further.

>>59861294
It's a flawed DE.

>>59861294
GNOME doesn't know what it is.

>>59859308
Feel you mate, that's why I dropped Ubuntu ultimately and went back to Debian Sid.
I work with my Intel GPU and start what I want with primusrun, much easier than having to log out every time.

>>59861334
>>59861313

Whatever it might be, it's shit for the user.

>>59857386
Oh look it's the same shit as last year.

>>59861665
Were you expecting something different anon?

>>59861690
Something to justify an increment in version number, yes.

Windows user here. Does Linux use Wayland yet? How are the GTX 1000 series drivers?

>>59861707
There is, a new Kernel, massive amount of package changes, etc.

An OS shouldn't be developed with the facebook philosophy.

>>59861762
'Linux' is a kernel... It doesn't 'use' a usermode API, no.

Other distros are using Wayland now though, yes.
Ubuntu isn't because 'muh MIR' until 18.04 when mir and unity are dropped for wayland and GNOME3.

>How are the GTX 1000 series drivers?
>Linux
>nVidia
hee-haw.

The correct answer is both as good as Windows and just as shit as you remember them.

>>59857514
Why would you install ubuntu on a server anyway

Moved to Fedora, tired of canonical shit.

>>59861871
Yuck.
I'll never use another RPM based distro, shit it just too whacky.

I can understand the canonical distaste, but why not Debian?

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Muh feels when I have to stay on 14.04 because my laptop amd gpu doesn't work without the catalyst driver

>>59861959
What GPU?
Have you reported the issue?

radeonsi team are pretty good with help.

I'm so glad they are killing Unity. Fuck that piece of SHIT.

>>59862001
I actually like Unity.

>>59857607
autistic tripfags should go

>>59861294
Why don't they make an LTS version of GNOME, like feature freeze at 3.20 and commit to bugfixes and optimizations for 3 years or so. Then the major distributions can focus on tight integration instead of having this moving target.

>>59861945
>shit it just too whacky
What do you mean?

>but why not Debian
Maybe you have a solution for that -
sometimes when I wanted to remove packages with apt, it wanted to remove some essential packages like X, GNOME packages, python packages. happened to me only on debian.

>ubanto
That's why there was no thread. No one cares beyond the four people posting in this thread and the handful of others here for trolling purposes.

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>>59862059
>GNOME devs
>caring about compatibility and features
AHAHAHAHAH

>>59861216
FML

>>59862069
use aptitude.
I'm not sure why it isn't the default across all apt based distros.

As for RPM, database corruption is hell and the crazy depends on file system drove me nuts - no telling what package a dep is in, since it's depending on a file.

>>59857494
Upgrading between systems has failed or caused seriously buggy behavior 3 of the 3 times I tried it.

>>59862257
You don't need to fuck your life, just fuck nvidia, get an amd gpu on your desktop, and stick to intergrated on your laptop, that what I do.

>>59862374
Not a single ML framework supports AMD tho.
And I honestly don't like the brand, just a petty thing of mine

>>59862059
Because RHEL is the LTS version of GNOME

>>59861866
Why not? It's very stable and one of the most popular AMIs for EC2. People frequently run their business off Ubuntu.

>>59857386
does it play games yet?

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>>59862883
depends what kind of games you are into I guess but the list here should keep me busy for a fair amount of time.

Overwatch is literally the only thing keeping me back on Windows right now

>>59862940
This.

I am still on 14.04.4 because newer versions use higher Xorg and amd will not update fglrx

>>59857494
It shouldn't.
But it was every single time I tried it, until I quit that shit and reinstalled one last time - Debian 6

>>59861975
AMD Radeon HD 6620G

>>59862962
same

>>59862962
>>59863127
You know they stopped it because its outdated as fuck and AMDGPU was worked on by AMD themselves.

>>59863139
see >>59861959

16.04 unity here.

Not upgrading until 2021 depending on 18.04 being shit with Gnome or not.

>>59863233
Welp; I'll be damned. My bad.

>>59857386
Will ubuntu 17.10 ditch unity before LTS?

>>59861959
>>59862962
Just use the open source drivers. Do you really play games or use 3D intensive program on Linux? Specially with an AMD card with its godawful opengl performance

>>59857401
3.24

>>59861208
worst post on 4chan in months

>>59857607
Good point.

>>59861208
They're dropping PowerPC, not i686
They dropped i386 support in Ubuntu 12.04

>>59864792
Yes

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>>59865587
Speaking of PowerPC, is there a single distro that works well (including gpu acceleration) with G4?

More specifically the more or less rare eMac

>>59857607
>when the autism turns into full blown schizophrenia

>1 AM UTC
>still no release announcement
what's going on?

>>59865626
Abandon Linux, use MorphOS and actually enjoy the machine.

Linux is a dog on old PowerPCs.

>>59857607
Jordan, call your medic

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I can't wait for tomorrow

>>59857596
>there's definitely more compatibility with 3.22
Extension memes are backfiring now?

>>59857607
rip

>>59857386

>Why isn't there a thread for this?
People with true jobs in datacenters and IT networking dont use Ubuntu.

>Ubuntu 17.04 releases tomorrow! Discuss anything Ubuntu

Unity was terrible and show fragmentation is weakness of GNU/Linux ecosystem. But we dont use graphical interfaces in profesional IT-

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>>59857607

>>59866122
There's not a single extension that works on 3.22 that doesn't also work on 3.24

>>59866219
MIR was terrible fragmentation

Who cares about desktop environments

do these short versions carry over to newer versions? seems like a waste of time to have to start fresh every 6-9 months. they must collect info from their users, somehow, or what's the point?

>>59857607
What the fuck did you say?

>>59857607

Has anyone really been far as decided to use even go want to do look more like? Fatass' diet finally clotted his brain up.

Where is my Ubuntu, how to download?

>>59863095
AMD Radeon HD 6570 user reporting in. Using it without catalyst, but on fedora.

Since 16.04, they just can't even free drivers like everyone else.

Is Ubuntu still the best/recommended linux distro for beginners?

>>598671
>>59869916
It is only that works.

HE'S HERE !!!!!!
http://releases.ubuntu.com/17.04/

>>59857494
it shouldn't. but tried it around 5 times on 3 different machines and it ALWAYS broke, and massively so

>>59861216
Which means nothing like gnu/linux is NOT compatible with all hardware as they advertise, so they are quite literally nothing but a badly designed OS X for poor people. which is fair by the way

>>59857386
Where is Ubuntu GNOME?

>>59857401
3.24 for Gnome Shell and its components.
3.22 for applications such as Nautilus

Of you mature an OS so simple a bigger cash user if a bigger so offset it

>>59870342
What?

>>59857386
It's a whole year away GNOMEfaggot dear God just kill yourselves.

>>59870684
>Today is a year from now.
What did he mean by this

>>59870684
Are you clinically retarded?

>>59857494
you are talking about linux here.
Maybe after flatpak and wayland become default...

>>59862940
like FREE games? maybe??
I have the ISO of Fallout NV just downloaded from PirateBay

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>>59857386
It's pretty /comfy/

>>59870864
Would you recommend solus or Ubuntu?

>>59870937
Depends. Solus actually broke itself on my friends computer (he's a normie so he's not touching any root files, all he did was update and reboot) so I had to do a data recovery to get all his files then I installed Ubuntu on it and so far he's liking it a lot. I started using Ubuntu a few days before that and I've been liking it. Depending on what you want, I would recommend either Solus or Ubuntu. I'm also liking what Canonical is doing too right now.

>>59870978
I'm on fedora now because I want the best possible GNOME experience, but the lack of support for third party software is annoying as hell and dnf takes fucking ages to update compared to apt or eopkg

Solus gnome sounds promising, but I hate that they don't support a chrome repository. I prefer eopkg to apt being that it's faster and easier to use, but on Ubuntu I can have all my software without ever wondering how to get something to work

Also, solus is a rolling, stable distro which is pretty incredible. Ubuntu has major issues on big system updates which I'm not fond of


Hmmmmmmm.... Maybe I'll just get Solus GNOME and hope that they get better chrome support. Ubuntu will always have major update hassles

>>59870978
I guess I can build off on this.

For the most part, both distros "just werk", but they can run into issues, but running into issues happens on every OS.

Ubuntu does have more programs in the repo, and you can add ppa's, and chances are if there's a piece of software available, there's either a deb file or a snap for it, or it's easier to build from source because of the file structure (i.e. not changing some of the build files on where to look for files and where to install them).

Ubuntu also has a much larger community so chances are if you have a problem, other people have had it and it's been solved. Solus does not have that luxury yet, but could in the future, but at least you can talk with the devs and creator if you have issues.

Ubuntu is also a distro built for everyone, whereas Solus does kind of feel like it's a distro built for Ikey but others can use if they like.

I myself have built a few packages for Solus, and even started building the stable kernel releases so we don't have to stick to LTS. Ikey didn't accept the kernel thing until he made his config file for the new release, but I did apply the patches and the security patches. Solus does not have cowsay in their repos for example, where in Ubuntu you can just do sudo apt install cowsay, and it installs. I actually made a cowsay program in c++ (because a friend in IRC wanted it) and it worked perfectly and I packaged it to install on Solus just fine, but the devs didn't accept it saying it's dumb and something along the lines of "quality over quantity" even though it was quality, but they said "just use npm to install cowsay".

Ubuntu does have better support for third party software, and the Solus devs refuse to package any Firefox other than stable because you can just download and run the beta, dev, and nightly of it, whereas on Ubuntu you can just install it.

Running out of space, going to continue this in the next reply.

Debian is better than Ubuntu in every way.

>>59871128
Even though Solus is rolling release, you might not always get the newest software when you want, because you have to wait for the smallish team to build the new software then greenlight it to be put into the unstable repo, and then after that it goes to stable. On Ubuntu, you can add ppa's to have newer software, and those are updated immediately whereas on Solus you have to wait for them to build it and then fix any packaging issues that may have come up in the new release.

eopkg is a good packager, but as of the moment I would say APT is better, but the new one coming out for Solus, sol, is going to be really good.

And as of now on both Ubuntu and Solus, my systemd-analyze is about the same now for my boot times.

I would also like to add that I have better battery life on Ubuntu, and I have no screen tearing.

Ubuntu also has much better Optimus support, whereas Solus is not ready for it yet.

I feel like it's worth adding the desktop environments. I personally really like both Budgie, KDE Plasma 5, Unity, and GNOME. On Ubuntu, you can get a flavor of it or even get something like Mint to get your desktop of choice, and still have the Ubuntu experience, but I would say the best Ubuntu experience is the one with Unity, just normal Ubuntu. I'm excited to see 18.04 using GNOME, and what Canonical will do to add to it. You can have Budgie on Ubuntu, but I would say that Budgie is a much MUCH better experience on Solus. Also Budgie 11 seems really promising as it's based on Qt and will have blur and they say full Wayland support. They also say it's coming out Q2 2017.

I would also like to add that you don't really have a choice of DE on Solus. You really only have Budgie, MATE, and GNOME.

Big updates can sometimes break something in Ubuntu, but Solus also broke itself after an update on my friends computer.

>but kevin, it seems like almost everything you said is negative about Solus and positive about Ubuntu

I will get to that in my next reply.

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>>59857386
Does this mean that Gnome will finally stop being a bloated, heavy, sluggish clusterfuck with a space wasting UI for 4 year olds?

>>59857607
OS of simple bigger maturity, user cash of if a simple offset, you an. Am stroke have.

>>59859919
BSD is great for tinkering. Also RHEL is buttnet because the CIA niggers use it.

>>59861208
You're still using a 32-bit machine? Why would you when Libreboot supports 64-bit Intel machines that are like 50 dolans on ebay? The fuck is wrong with you? If you can't find a good OS, build your own. That's the power of FOSS.

>>59864792
Probably.

>>59865626
Debian.

>>59871214
I second this. It's slightly more difficult to set up but it works the same and isn't made by Microsoft, ooops! I mean Canonical.

>>59871272
Both distros have their pros and cons, and some pros and cons have more meaning to different users, and some cons others may see as a pro, and vice versa.

I guess you could call Ubuntu the jack of all trades distro, but I don't feel that represents it well because it's also built for the desktop. Solus seems to some people more polished, but at the same time it isn't.

Your choice of desktop is subjective, but you're choice is very limited on Solus.

Both distros are secure and have good security patches on their kernels, but Ubuntu has apparmor, and Ikey doesn't want to package any of that stuff because he said it would be too hard to maintain.

Solus, for a small team, does have very fast development. Ubuntu has good development, but it's also a much more established distro.

A lot of the things I said are both subjective and objective, but it's up to you to make the subjective choices on what I told to make the decision which you want to use. As of now, based on what I've said, I made the choice to go back to Ubuntu. I'm not telling you what distro to use, just use what has the most pros to you, and what works for you. At the end of the day we all just want to use a distro that works and requires no maintenance. So the choice is yours to decide your distro. I'm not telling you which to use, and I personally still really like Solus. I tried my best to give an objective point of view with the distros and add my personal experiences with them.

Also, both distros are very optimized.

This is the end of my thing, if you have any more questions or comments, I'm able to answer and help :)

>>59871079
Also fair warning, eopkg isn't fast either, and there isn't a GNOME iso yet as far as I know, so you'd have to install it after installing Solus. But it is rolling release. I personally haven't really had any problems with the Ubuntu updates, but that doesn't mean others haven't.

>>59871418
>>59871384
>>59871272
>>59871128
Thank you, I have lots of Ubuntu experience but haven't really used solus in 6 or more months

I'm dead set on GNOME, but I'm also dead set on chrome and other third party software. Anything I don't like about Ubuntu I can change for myself, anything I want that solus doesn't offer I have to wait for. I'm going with Ubuntu GNOME 17.04 and will keep my head up to see where solus goes

>>59871473
Okay sounds good. I hope you enjoy it! I'm personally sticking with Unity on 17.04-17.10, but I'm excited to see what Canonical will do with GNOME in 18.04.

And you're spot on with what you said
>Anything I don't like about Ubuntu I can change for myself, anything I want that Solus doesn't offer I have to wait for.

>>59871297
>Debian.
Jessie doesn't work right, I can't get X to run. The only version that I got working was wheezy but it doesn't use GPU acceleration. It's slow as hell

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>>59872009
Then use the non-free drivers, genius.

>>59872023
What drivers?

>>59872030
The ones that are closed source and not included in the default image. Those drivers.

>>59872059
I have no idea what drivers are those for a G4 eMac

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>>59872071
You go to the Debian website and download a zip file of non-free firmware, extract it, then throw the contents into the firmware directory of your install media. The installer will detect it automatically.

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>>59857607

Jordan are you ok man?

>>59857386
The Gnome switch is very far away. 18.04 is not exactly soon.

>>59874250
>>59870684
Dumbasses can't even read

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>>59857607
top kek

>>59857607
If I offset with both more mature OS and bigger cash user, that doesnt sound so simple?

>>59857607
I thought something was wrong with me...

>>59874250
Gives Canonical time to prepare well for it and make some custom extensions and tweak it. I'm excited.

>>59857386

Does it still use X? Will nouveu still bone me out of the box with newer nvidia cards? Last time it just locked up on me instead of giving me a command line and swapping video cards in order to install linux and then install drivers so I can switch cards back annoys me.

Is there anyway to alter the installer ahead of time to give it the needed drivers?