AMD Ryzen + Polaris build vs Intel Kaby / Nvidia Pascal

>using a smiley nose with a carat

>>59854410

you forgot the $200 ram kit you have to buy to alleviate the ccx infinity fabric bullshit for ryzen

>>59854436
He also forgot the $300 mobo required to overclock intel's corelets

>>59854436
The same RAM used on Intel can be used on Ryzen anon, wtf are you even talking about?

>>59854436
It evens out when you have to get a cooler for the Intel system.

>>59854410
Just Wait™ a week until RX 580 prices and benchmarks are out

1600 on stock cooler with B350 mobo and 580 is going to be the hot ticket in the mid range me thinks.

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>>59854450

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INTEL SHILLS BTFO

>>59854410
https://pcpartpicker.com/list/wwQLnn

I'd buy Ryzen even if it wasn't superior, simply to avoid the jew hypervisor.

>>59854436
>$200
hahaha. check this goy out.

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>>59854599

>>59854596
No need for the cooler, the 1600 already comes with a great one.

>>59854606
Intel shills are literally desperate

>>59854410
Why'd you leave out the motherboard and cooler?
That adds another $100+ to the intel system.

>>59854436
>he puts 2133 memory on a Z270 board
found the retard. You'd use the same 2800-3200 on each.

Taichi + 1600x + 3466 RAM for next 1600x in a year, how is that for a 4 year plan?

AMD is close enough to say, fuck the fucking a backdooring intel in the arse with a rusty pipe.

At least AMD's back door does not have network access, and they may let us turn it off.

I hate this shit.

>>59854909
AMD has jumped on the backdoor train eons ago.

>>59854410
Obviously the first one anon :^)

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RE9MAmFJllw

>>59854930
Yep, but no network access, local only.

>>59854909
>muh backdoors
found the pedo

if you're a normal person, backdoors have 0% effect on your life

>>59854596
>$90 550W PSU
>4k meme
>optical drive
>212 evo when stock cooler is about the same
>B350 mobo instead of A350

>>59854964
Fuck off, I may have nothing to hide but I have nothing to show them either,

They can stay out of my hardware, all they are doing is creating vulnerabilities.

>>59854964

Whether you care or not, you have to acknowledge it's a slippery slope to fascist control.

>>59854974
*tips fedora

>>59854974
you'd rather have SALEM MOHAMED BEN MOHAMED MAHMOUD planning his next jihad unperturbed then?

>>59855009
You want the privilege of using the internet, you have to pay a price
No different than highway DUI stops or the TSA

>>59855025
Yeah I fucking would Jew

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>>59854410
That depends. I'd buy the AMD system.

I'd recommend the Intel/Nvidia system, specially if we're talking gaming.

It really depends on what you're planning to do with your systems. And for games it's even a question of what games you want to play. The Nvidia GTX 1060 doesn't even have a hardware scheduler which works out fine if you want to play DX11 games optimized for one or two cores on a CPU with more than two cores but you're going to have a bad day with DX12 or Vulcan games if those become a thing. Not sure they will, though. Nvidia has more money.

>>59855009
>>59855042
If you only use your own intranet, no one will be able to access anything of yours
Same as if you build a large estate with private roads, you can drive drunk and no one will stop you
But if you wanna shitpost on /g/, you gotta let Uncle Sam take a peek at your porn folder every once in a while

>>59854973
4k is fine if you're doing content creation

>>59855042
I have the option to drive drink, and can avoid DUI check points with adequate foreknowledge.
Installing a breathalyzer in my car removes freedom to even start the fucking thing on a privet property.
As in LAN. Inter office hacking is a thing.

>>59855042

You might want to reconsider your shitty analogy.

This is giving the government the keys to your house and saying "Have at it, I have nothing to hide, so I have nothing to worry about." As they make spare keys to your locks, take pictures from the hidden cameras they installed in the AC registers, and record your voice randomly if you say the wrong word out loud.

That is not what I signed up for with an Internet connection, and if it makes the government's job a little harder in stopping terrorism, then too fucking bad.

>>59854964
>if you're a normal person, backdoors have 0% effect on your life
You mean not a journalist, human rights activist, politically active or just able to think logically and rationally?

>>59854410
Get a 7700K and a GTX 1080 Ti. Way better combo than either of those.

>>59854901
If the next 4 years are like the last 4 years it should be fine.
Shouldn't be a console generation released in the middle either so unless some bullshit happens you should be good.

>>59855092

Making yourself a target by not doing what they say is troubling.

>>59855085
privet to you too, comrade
>>59855091
Again, the internet is not your birthright, it's infrastructure built by the government and private corporations. If you want to use it, you have to abide by their rules. You are not obliged to buy a computer and hook it up to the internet, so you can't complain about muh fourth amendment. Treat this as terms of service. If you don't like the terms, don't use the service

>>59855100
> recommening a $1000 combo
Wait for vega

Every time you buy a Ryzen, you deny the holocaust. FACT.

stupid assholes

>>59855286
every time you buy Ryzen, a jewish kid is not born.

>>59855141

>Go back to living in caves! Use the library! There hasn't been an encyclopedia printed since 2005, and government continues to slash funding for books and resources to fund the security industrial complex.

You deserve what's coming to you.

>>59855335
http://rationalwiki.org/wiki/Not_even_wrong

>>59855286
wtf I love ryzen now

>>59854504
Red pill me on hyper-threading. What's that? A rip off?

>>59854410
Is it worth waiting 2 months for Skylake-X?
Does it make sense to get Intel then?

>>59855377

Yes, your tactic was called out.

>>59854496
Delete

>>59855396
ya dude get that 7740k

new $250 motherboard for +100mhz and no iGPU

do it or more jewish babies won't be born

>>59855416
No I mean for a new build, is it better to get 7700k now or wait for the X299

>>59855424
Skylake EP will just be a small rehash like we've seen before, on a new socket to bring in a bit of extra money. It's not worth the extra money they'll charge.
Grab a 7700k if you're that set, but make that decision knowing that games do max out those 4 cores. It's not a bad chip. It's a fucking brilliant chip. But it's no Sandy Bridge, and I think these past few Intel generations will show their age quite rapidly.

>>59854410
get an older cheaper CPU and a better gfx card if you are gayming

>>59855126
You're obviously ironically shitposting but the fact people unironically believe that is exactly why privacy should be protected.

Now pick up that can, citizen.

>>59855447
I thought Skylake-X can have up to 10 cores though? Plus if I wait for the 299 I'll be able to upgrade the processor in 5 years without getting a new mobo

>>59854410
AMD build would BTFO the intel build

>>59854734
But RAM compatible with ryzen cost around 30-50% more.

>>59854951
>Joker Productions
>Known to fake benchmark results
Yeah no.

>>59855100
HA
A
H
A


no

>>59855508
>Plus if I wait for the 299 I'll be able to upgrade the processor in 5 years without getting a new mobo
>Intel socket
>New CPU
>5 years
>without new mobo
Yeh no. Intel pop a new socket every 18 months.

If you're even considering the deca-core, then the cost of upgrading in 5 years and getting a new mobo should be no pause to you at all. so it's not even worth humouring that thought.
You look at the cost of Intel's current deca-core, $1600, now you tell me that they're going to price the new one any lower?

Flip a coin. Heads i7 7700k. Tails, R7 1700x. The performance is currently negligible outside of a few select games, but even then, we see AMD working with devs to improve the performance of ryzen in their titles.

You won't regret either decision.

>>59855534
No it doesn't, dumb shill.

>>59854436
he also forgot the $200 for special aio cooling to barely reach 4ghz

>>59855551
Let the children grasp their straws.
Remember. Even ironic shitposting is still shitposting. Just report and move on.

>>59855548
>You won't regret either decision.
You'll regret the 7700k when games are maxing it out with no CPU overhead to spare for background applications, and there's no better CPU to replace it with on the same socket so you need a new motherboard as well.

>>59855566
Even with background applications on the go, the reduction in performance is going to be nothing worth mentioning.
The 7700k is a fantastic chip. But it will age. Sure, you can OC the bastard up to 4.8/4.9 and coast for a while. But running that OC long term is going to do damage.

>>59855566
>You'll regret the 7700k when games are maxing it out with no CPU overhead to spare for background applications, and there's no better CPU to replace it with on the same socket so you need a new motherboard as well.
this.

i might even get a used ryzen in ayear or so fuck paying full price for some AM4 launch board with a shit bios

>>59855548
so I was originally planning to get the 6900k with 1080ti, then people here said get the 7700k instead, and then people said get a 6- or 8-core Skylake-X with the new nvidia graphics card.

I need a beefy machine for work (HPC), and i get a 5 grand lab budget so the cost isn't a big issue, as long as what I get lasts a few years and packs a punch

What would your advice be for such a build?

>>59855583
Only ones struggling with BIOS at the moment are ASUS.

>ASUS are bad
>BioStar are ok
>AsRock are good

Ryzen put the world on it's head.

ASUS have recently patched their BIOS, so game performance is up with them, but the same BIOS only supports RAM speeds up to 2400Mhz.

But yes, boards are rather costly for Ryzen at the moment. Even, granted high end, but reduced in features, boards like the Asrock Taichi.

>>59855603
Frankly dude.
Grab a dual socket Xeon workstation from HP or whoever your company has a standing relation with, and dump whatever GPU you need in there to accelerate your specific workloads.
That's the only suggestion I can give based upon that information.
Cores, cores, and MOAR CORES, you can never go wrong with that policy in approach to professional workstations.

>>59855622
I see, yea someone else had suggested something similar too
I'll do some more research, I got till September to decide. Thanks

>>59855566
>You'll regret the 7700k when games are maxing it out with no CPU overhead to spare for background applications,
And it will still have better performance in games.
>Just wait until they fix ryzen
>just wait until games are so multi threaded that the 7700k top performance will degrade to ryzen level XD
>ryzen is good though
>but if the 7700k drops to ryzens performance in 5 years it's terrible
>ryzen is future proof, so you can buy a new ryzen every year because the motherboard is the same
>intel is terrible though because you can't buy a new cpu yearly because of new sockets (doesn't matter that intels cpus are good enough to last you 5+ years)

>>59855639
As a note.
I know this applies to radio work. As a close friend has let me in the know on it.
If you get in direct contact with someone, explain your work, and your position, and how you really need this specific thing, some companies can, and often DO offer discounts, all you have to do is say good things about them at the right places :^)

RadioNigga friend of mine was in search of some ethernet based gear after all his thunderbolt equipment failed. Full cost of new setup was close to $3800..After talking to a rep, $2500. So worth a try none the less.

>>59855415
Are you new here?

>>59854410
If this is for games then many of them both old and new have issues with AMD cpus. Bayonetta's new PC port for example simply does not work on either Ryzen or FX cpus.

>>59855391
Nobody on /g/ can actually tell you what it is in plain english because hyperthreading is described in nothing but gibberish.

>>59855725
>japan
>pc

yeah, I wonder why
I have worse problem it has some double imaging going on on movement

>>59855391
It's intels own brand of SMT.
Some tweaks here and there change the spec enough to where they can legally brand it as something else and not have to pay IBM for the IP to use SMT.

>>59854450
>>59854496
he also forgot the delidding kit and liquid metal to replace the shitty TIM

>>59855391
2 threads per core.

it doesnt even exist on i5s thats the meme in >>59854504

>>59855755
>Some tweaks here and there change the spec enough to where they can legally brand it as something else and not have to pay IBM for the IP to use SMT.
Whao. Is that it?
Is that why AMD's first attempt at SMT is better than Intel's 10th generation of HT?
Because AMD licensed IBM's better SMT while Intel cheated the patents with something shitty?
Is that actually what's going on?

I don't even care which one is faster, I'm just glad we have almost reached mid-end parity again, and that's good for all prospective buyers.

>>59855796
Yes and no.
It's not the whole story, but it's not wrong either.

The main reason why AMD's implementation of SMT is being perceived as superior is because, well, Microsoft, and game devs, already have some form of implementation for it in their work on Intel's Hyperthreading. So it's not some new alien technology that noone has ever worked with before.

To judge the true effect of AMD's SMT implementation, you need a game/task where there is no discrepancy between SMT0/SMT1, you need to test in a 4+0 arragement, vs a comparable Intel product.
The thing with AMD's current lineup, they out-number Intel in terms of cores, by a significant margin, so that helps carry them in workloads where their singlethreaded performance is just that little bit behind.

It's not made easy by the fact that I cannot find the specification sheets for Hyperthreading anywhere, and I've been looking for 20 minutes now. Those will tell you everything about Hyperthreading, from design methodology to implementation, to specific feature sets and instructions.

>>59855796
The Intel box I replaced only benefited ~25% from HT in actual workloads I was running, with Ryzen box that same number with SMT ON vs OFF is close to 70%. I don't know wheter that is from AMD's better SMT implementation or better cache design with double the size of L2 and L1i caches, but it works way better than Intel's HT that's for sure

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>>59855606

Their lowerend ASUS boards are fine.

I have the cheapest 3200 Corsair LPX kit running at 3200Mhz with a stable OC Ryzen 7 1700 4Ghz @1.36v on the ASUS PRIME B350M-A

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>>59855725

I have Bayonetta running at 60 capped on my Ryzen 7 1700

>>59855859
Well, streamer I chat with just got his Ryzen PC assembled last night. With the latest BIOS, he's locked to 2400Mhz on a 3200Mhz kit. Even then, that's pushed up to 2400Mhz, it was initially running at 2133Mhz.
"PRIME" X370 "Pro" this is now.

>>59855841
>The main reason why AMD's implementation of SMT is being perceived as superior is because, well, Microsoft, and game devs, already have some form of implementation for it in their work on Intel's Hyperthreading. So it's not some new alien technology that noone has ever worked with before.
No, that's not it.
You test tons of applications with HT on/off, SMT on/off, and SMT averages out 30% better except for those edge cases where SMT performs worse when it's used when it shouldn't be.

>>59855859
What? You have it opposite.
Lower end ASUS boards are fucking garbage. So are their midrange. Only their enthusiast ones are any good now days.
>ASUS PRIME B350M-A
That's not a lower end. That's expensive for a B350M board. It had one of the highest launch prices, but it's gone down a bit.

>>59855880
kek. The Prime X370 is garbage. And the even more expenisve Crosshair was only recently fixed.

Too many people trusted ASUS and blamed AMD as a result.

The high end ASUS B350 board is fine (the Prime B350M).
The high end ASUS X370 is fine (The Crosshair)
Their other lower end of each chipset are garbage.

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>>59855899

Picked it up for 89 euro at launch. It was one of the cheapest mATX boards. It has served me wonderfully so far without any issues.

>>59855880
His mistake for wasting money on X370. My friend followed my lead and got a different ASUS B350 board and hit 2933 on a randomly picked Corsair 3000Mhz C16 kit.

Pic related, my Ryzen 7 1700 build.

>>59854410
>You cannot build a computer using only the CPU and a GPU

>>59856004
>His mistake for wasting money on X370.
Not even x370.
I tried to talk him away from the ASUS board, but he was set.
It's working fine for him anyway, running his stream at 6000kb/s on CPU encode without a problem, and he's having no problems in the games he's tested out so far. With the rate that BIOS updates are being churned out, memory support should improve.

>>59855758
sir please delid this post

>>59855606
What about msi? Was mainly looking at msi b350m or asus prime b350m.

>>59856088
I've heard nothing bad about MSI boards so far.
B350 Prime is ok according to (>>59855859, >>59856004)

>>59856115
>I've heard nothing bad about MSI boards so far.
because you can't buy them, or couldn't until very recently
they fucked up the launch most of all even though their BIOS was decent-ish

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=71UHFJjs3Go

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>tfw Ryzens are out of stock all the time in this shithole
>tfw 1800x is $600 here

>>59856141
So if I have one available for pretty cheap I should go for it?

>>59856004
Can confirm, my 3200 (hynix, ss) kit runs just fine at 2933 with the Prime B350M-A. Haven't tested the latest bios just yet however

>>59854410
>not factoring in the motherboard
oh cmon anon, if you're gonna shitpost at least do it correctly.

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>>59855758

>>59856214

I updated to the latest BIOS earlier yesterday. Everything seems the same as before but I haven't done any performance tests or anything. And my Hynix ram is already at 3200Mhz.

Well, they're nice workstation CPU, to be frank.

>>59855126
Yes good goy obey your overlords without question

>>59856292
>>59856214
>>59856004
Well I'll go with b350m prime, if anything goes wrong I'll blame it on you guys.

>>59856319
fyi, only reason i bought it was because it was the only matx board available here. i would have likely gone with the asrock pro4 if it would have been available month ago
t. >>59856214

>>59856361
>>59856319

Same. Was looking at the Asrock Pro 4 too. But this was simply cheap and available but hasn't let me down so far so.

t. >>59856004

is the 6700k still worth it?

>>59854504
That's a high quality store front there

>>59856416
no, only cpu from intel that's wroth it right now is 7700K and only if you already have water loop

>>59856416
6700k and 7700k are exactly the same chips with identical IPC and both overclocking to around 4.8ghz without delidding and 5.0 with.

>>59856588
Considering the 6700k is literally 100-200 dollars cheaper than ryzen, and lga1151 mobos are dirt cheap i think i shall purchase that, and then maybe upgrade in like 4 years.

thank you for your advice, /g/entlemen.

>>59856637
>6700k is literally 100-200 dollars cheaper than ryzen
huh, where are you from?

>>59856662
https://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16819117559&cm_re=i7_6700k-_-19-117-559-_-Product

https://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16819117726&cm_re=i7_6700k-_-19-117-726-_-Product


https://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16819113430&cm_re=1800x-_-19-113-430-_-Product

https://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16819113429&cm_re=1700x-_-19-113-429-_-Product

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X SHILLS BTFO

>>59856683
tfw not living in glorious US of A

>>59856717
yeah, as much as i love ryzen and the fact that it's a good competitor to intels line up, even LGA1551 boards aren't 100-200+ dollars anymore in america.

>>59856754
*100-200 dollars more than AMD boards, my bad. they're most certainly 100-200 dollars.

that said, REPUBLICA O GAYMERS ASUS NISSAN MAXIMA boards that used to be 600+ USD are now only like 250.

>>59856683
woah, doesn't compare it to 1600x/1600/1500x or even 1700

>>59856683
https://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16819117645

https://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16819113435

Look at that, Ryzen is now $800 cheaper than Intel

>>59856772
le shrug

the 1700 is 20 dollars less on newegg.

the 1600 is 110 dollars less. but without the shitty current market for mobos, cheap ram, and it performs worse.

the 1600x is 90 dollars less, and still performs worse than the 6700k in most benchmarks, with the same problems above.

not trying to argue with you lads, since all the problems with ryzen will probably be fixed by the time i get around to building later this year.

Currently however, the 6700k is better and if i were to buy parts right now that's what i would choose.

>>59856807
is this bait

>>59856807
>>59856829
the 6900k is literally better than the 1800x btw. it may be 500 dollars less, but it's still worse.

>>59856829
3200 kits cost only $20 more that the slow ones, literarily a non-issue

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>>59856856
the issue of fucked up bios's for ryzen mobos, and the enormous lack of mobo selection is still present though.

it'll be solved in time, but atm it's not.

>>59856867

Both are actually fine right now, unless you want mITX.

>>59854410
The i5 7600k build. Because that's my exact build.

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>>59856875
i'll take your word for it and just wait 6 moths for it to be guaranteed fixed

>>59856829
DONT BE A FOOL GOY! BUY RYZEN!
Buy ryzen because it's future proof, you can then buy a new ryzen cpu every year because unlike intel that changes sockets every year you could have the AM4 motherboard for 4 years. That's 4 motherboard purchases you save vs intel!

>>59856930
>implying i'm not an ultra jew who won't buy a rig and then keep it for 10 years

My current set up is a budget build from 2012, young jewbaby. I am a rabbi of high caliber.

>>59855025
Yes, we're not violating the entire planets privacy because there are a couple of retarded sandniggers with guns.

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>>59854410
>Which build do you think performs better

we know which does better, and it is shitwrecking as expected

>>59854457
>1600 on stock cooler with B350 mobo and 580 is going to be the hot ticket in the mid range me thinks.

Agreed. 1600+B350+480 is already a great build.

>>59854410
The 1060 alone causes the AMD build to win, for sure in GPU bound scenarios.

In any game that uses more than 4 threads, or one that hammers those 4 threads to the point that a background process could harm performance, the 1600 will destroy the i5. I'm playing BF1 on an i5 6600K @ 4.4GHz and an R9 290 (heavy OC) right now, and I regularly hit between 87% and 99% CPU usage. Having more threads would make a huge difference in most modern games, and having more cores behind those threads as well helps.

Also the Asus Dual is a pretty shit cooler as far as the Asus GPUs go nowadays.

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>>59854410
I copped this, very happy so far. :^)

>>59856829
>the 1600x is 90 dollars less, and still performs worse than the 6700k in most benchmarks
what benchmarks did you look at? it performs worse withing margin of the error

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>>59854410
Pic related, is gut.

>>59857162
Maybe on Dx12 and shit like ashes. the 6700k still performs 15-16% better in most gayming cases, which translates into 8-10 FPS. which is significant, it's debatable whether it's worth it or not though.

>>59857189
>4gb 480
Should have just saved some money and got a 470.

>>59857201
no, that's 7700K that performs 10 fps more,
where did you see 6700k perform 10fps more?

also look at >>59856969

>>59857202
The gain of getting a 8GB card would have been minuscule using 1920x1080.

>>59857213
that means nothing, because in literally all benchmarks intel cpu's perform really strangely shit in civ 6 specifically. Find a better benchmark that isn't ashes, or some cherry picked dx12 bench and you'll have beaten me. No cinebench either.


meanwhile
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wTt-S9DaO6g

>>59857189
Did you OC RAM?

>>59857224
If you got it under $200 its not that bad of deal. The 470 red devil nearly matches the 480 8gb at 1080p and its price fluctuates between $170 and $190 before rebates.

>tfw, 1700 + B350 + RX 470

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>>59857255
margin of error

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>>59857316
>tfw that can be $309 + $85 + $109 if you look for the deals

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>>59857354
>benchmark information cut off
>video i posted literally has the 6700k beating the 1600 by 10 fps in 90% of games

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>>59857383
>10 fps

also we are talking about 1600x

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>>59857403
>another margin of error

>>59855025
I literally would prefer to maintain essential liberties at the cost of temporary security, yes.

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>>59857420
>6700k not even on that list
>>59857403
>6700k still not on list

please stop fucking being retarded and prove me wrong, i want amd to be better

>>59857438
>6700k not even on that list
Take a couple fps off the 7700k.

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>>59857255
>Find a better benchmark that isn't ashes, or some cherry picked dx12 bench and you'll have beaten me.

>>59857438
4500-4200=300=>
~7%
112fps-7%=104
$330 /$250=2 fps
so worth it!

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>>59857447
>doing this makes the 6700k 10 FPS faster (which is substanial you nigger) than all of the AMD cpus benchmarked
>the benchmark you posted that actually makes it less substantial is less than 144 fps average, which is fucking important because of monitor refresh rates
>>59857463
>kaby lake i5s
>not 6600k
>not even kaby lake clone

i'm starting to run out of fucking cat pictures cunts

>>59857495
price per performance is a fucking meme, and saving an extra 100 bucks for FPS ISN'T.

>>59857498
do you really expect 6600k to do better than 7600 which has 200 MHz higher turbo?

>>59854457
>thinking rx 580 is good enough to be considered mid-range in this->presentDynasty
The 580 is a 2017 rebrand of a 2016 mid range card which performed the same as a 2015 mid range card (r9 390).

remember when rebrands would be when a company would take last years flagship and make it this years mid-range? like the 7970 rebrand to 280x? now they literally sell the same shit under a different name and still expect people to pay the same.

>>59857498
>the benchmark you posted that actually makes it less substantial is less than 144 fps average, which is fucking important because of monitor refresh rates
Not the one that posted the benchmarks m8. If you are saying you could tell the difference between 100fps and 110fps you're a fucking liar as well.

>>59857505
you realize that 10 fps is in calculation error category impacted by numerous random factors of gameplay?
real CPU metric is how far it dips down, and it fucking doesn't on 6 core

>>59854410
considering pairing my 1070 with a ryzen 1600. fuck everything about radeon gpu's. never going back to that unreliable garbage again. at least the cpu division fixed themselves up.

OP yoy forgot:
High end RAM to match intel powa
High end mobo because ryzen has shitty chipsets

To sum up, nvidia + intel comes out cheaper.

Get REKT stinking poojeet.

>>59857529
it's 150mhz higher clocked and 50w lower powered rebrand, which makes it almost not a rebrand at all

>>59857536
>>59857548

>If you are saying you could tell the difference between 100fps and 110fps you're a fucking liar as well.

Doesn't matter if you can tell the difference, its' better. It means it's more "future proof", and down the line it's going to last longer than the ryzen cpu.

And 10 fps does fucking matter, it's the difference between reaching refresh rate of your monitor, or not, or anything inbetween.

>>59857557
>High end RAM to match intel powa
meme
>High end mobo because ryzen has shitty chipsets
wut

>>59857567
oh, here we go, future proof argument

6 year old 2.4Ghz xeons called

>>59857567
>a 4c/8t cpu is more future proof than a 6c/12t cpu
lolwut

>>59857562
gtx 770 was higher clocked and more efficient than 680 with new extremely fast 7ghz vram. it also had substantially more cuda cores than the 670 since it was a 680 core. if that was a rebrand then the 580 definitely is.

>>59857551
AMD are not precisely the ones bricking/frying cards, breaking windows installations, tanking performance or requiring you to sign-up to some bloatware with their driver updates during the last year but whatever.

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>>59857585
>oh, here we go, future proof argument
>calling out future proof argument when it's one of the number 1 arguments for waiting for AMD

>>59857589
Don't fall for the bait.
Don't listen to anyone on /g/ that doesn't use
facts or some sort of official product report for their argument.
Or at least research the shit they're talking about.

>>59857557
Both wrong you retarded kike.
You don't need Samsung b-die RAM to achieve reasonable 2667 or 2933 speed, Ripjaws and LPX 3200/3000 run at advertised speeds.
>shitty chipsets
Source or gtofo and take Kelvin Lake with you.

>>59857601
>the brand loyalty faggots have arrived

neck yourself. unless you've experienced any problems yourself, don't complain. i've had enough problems with radeon graphics since 2015 and i'm done with them. i haven't used ryzen and i'm willing to try it based on its positives and not shill posts on the net putting it down.

kys

>>59854410

>480
>$239

those are on sale all the time for around $180, $150 for the 4GB model.

>>59854504
$30 for evo air cooler.
why so much? it looks so basic and cheap.

>>59857272
Can't get anything stable. Corsair Vengeance LPX Blacks, 16GB kit. Nothing beyond the stock 15-15-15-35 2133MHz works, including the Corsair suggested 15-17-17-35 3000MHz.

>>59857789
It's always been surprisingly good for the price, but it's been memed for so long (like 7+ years) that people still resort mindlessly to it while there are other options in the market with a similar o better price/performance ratio or that give less trouble with blocking RAM slots or with slightly more cramped builds.

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>>59857536
>If you are saying you could tell the difference between 100fps and 110fps you're a fucking liar as well.
This fucking goy!

>>59854410
>>59854951
>>59855657
>>59857141
>uding the smiley with a carat nose

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>>59857971
>not being ebin :DDDDDDDDDD

>>59855025
They already plan it despite govt surveillance lmao

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>>59855100
>want intel inside his arse

oh geez, i wonder who's behind this post

>>59857189
>1.352V
That's crazy high for 3.825Ghz as most chips do 3.95-4.0Ghz with volts like that

>>59855796
That is not true it is actually good for what it does, you can see a great difference between i5 and i7 performance

>>59857800
are they dual rank?

>>59854410
>239$ for an i5 7600k
>almost 300$ for the chip alone in my cunt-tree

Fuck Yurop.

>>59857201
Prove it. Intel shills have resorted to shitposting without charts because now they don't have R7 day one charts to fall back on.

>>59857874
And yet they say amd don't need special memory to run. The whole platform is a joke

Is it a good idea to buy a r5 1600 + gtx 170?

I'm learning programming and I'm gonna nead a lot of virtualization among other cpu intensive things, but I want to be a gaymer too.

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Ebin

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Simply ebin

>>59859099
>>59859108

The whole fuckery with Nvidia drivers has made me happy that I have a Fury X now. Definitely not getting an Nvidia card again.

>>59859099
>>59859108

This is why I'm asking >>59859063 . Does it make sense to buy a 1070 along with a R5 1600, even tho the 1070 will probably not be fully explored?

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>>59858516
Single rank.

>>59859158
People with 1600s will being using one of 3 cards. 1060, 480 or 470. If you plan on getting a 1070 or 1080 you'd be better off with a 7700k.

>>59859188
>Corsair
Found your problem.

Just set them to 16-18-18-36 2933MHz and 1.35v and they'll work (don't touch the SOC volt settings)

>>59859158
R9 fury nitro, if it's still 250 dollars. Best deal

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Cool

>>59859275
No avail. Anything beyond 2133MHz ceases to boot, no matter what the timings are. Seems like I'm out of luck with these sticks.

I use a 7600k with an R9 290 and it works great for 1080p gaming.

>>59859099
I'm pretty sure Nvidia fixed this driver bug. People are saying this is no longer happening

>>59859309
I hadn't considered that one

>>59859568
Yeah, fury X would be ideal but it costs too much. Nvidia has no plans to properly integrate their cards with ryzen, I would tell you wait for vega but I didn't. Probably gonna upgrade a couple years from now, fury has more than enough power for my monitor

>>59859680
Are you pretending to be stupid?

>>59859722
No. There is a global conspiracy against AMD and I will prove it.

If they actually did solve the driver issue the 1070 is a great option if you want to pay the premium

>>59859063
Shit, what do.

I've been waiting to build a PC for over 8 months

>>59854450
>$300 to overclock
>shilling this hard.

>>59855758
>believing you need to delid to overclock

kill yourself with your idiotic meme.

>>59854410
Soon we can change 480 to 580. That thing will wipe floor with 1060.

>>59859844
Flip a coin

>>59855050
On the other hand, both major consoles use AMD chips and have beefier versions comparable to a low-midrange PC, so who knows

>>59859188
Be amd engineering
>Need to lower costs what we do
Just tie infinity fabric to ram
Another engineer team, need to cut costs more
>Just use shitty memory controller it won't make a difference on Intel memory speed don't make much difference
????
Profit with your shitty ccx tier to nigger tie imc

>>59859063
Either get 580 (its out in a week) or wait for Vega (month-two). Or you can get 580 and then sell it when Vega released.

Which b350 mobo has the best bios update atm?

>>59859680
4 GB though.

i have been lurking these intel vs amd threads for over a month now and i still don't understand shit besides the dank intel are jews amd are poos meme

> tfw cpulet

>>59860471
How often does the 4GB actually come into play except in extremely RAM hungry titles? I can only think of a couple. The difference in performance is neglible and the fact that its HBM offsets some of the difference.

>>59860752
>tfw brainlet

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>>59859918
rude

So what are the best motherboard options for someone interested in purchasing a 1600?

>>59857498
>>doing this makes the 6700k 10 FPS faster (which is substanial you nigger) than all of the AMD cpus benchmarked

10 FPS going from 100 to 110 is practically nothing (~9% reduction in frametime). 10 FPS going from 20 to 30 is substantial (~33% reduction in frametime).

>>59857656
No one wants the 4GB model anon.

>>59856890
Do you enjoy being a corelet?

>>59859063
> virtualization
Definitely go for the 1600 or even the 1700, don't be a corelet.

For the GPU, I would personally wait for Vega.

>>59857010
sensible anon
>>59857529
144fps anon

500 series is on GloFlo LPP vs LPE process, 580 gets improved vrm on new pcb w/8 pin pwr, 570 gets 480pcb/ram, 460 gets full 1024sp and is 4gb only
>lower msrp

Yeah it's a literal rebrand. But it's a good thing for any new builders. New architecture is already on the way and Polaris will get even cheaper later on.

I cant take it anymore. Everywhere I look I see results all over the place for ram speeds with AM4. I just want a motherboard I can trust to run my ram at ~3000-3200. Preferably under $150, if possible.

>>59861829
>being an early adopter

>>59855050
I would actually recommend the AMD system in this situation. On the cpu front it won't bottleneck anything at all and the extra cores could be nice for running extra tasks while playing games and if some games start using more cores it will have even more of an edge on the Intel counterpart.

The gpu part is more relevant for consideration in this build. The GTX 1060 did have an edge in DX11 games while the RX480 has an edge on the DX12 front. However in the last year the AMD drivers actually improved giving the RX480 a slight edge in DX11 over the GTX 1060 and AMD is still performing a lot better in DX12.

Even though this has been known for some time now it also came to light that the GTX 1060 actually bottlenecked some games. The cause is probably the DX12 driver from Nvidia which I guess can't be fixed since pascal can't use async computing.

The last reason to say AMD is price. The K edition i5 needs a mobo with a more expensive chipset while the R5 can be overclocked on even a cheaper mobo. The only gripe AMD has here is that the performance could scale a bit with RAM speed but overall the AMD system definitely seems like the better deal to me.

>>59861152
Those titles exist, though, and you can't really run them without more than 4 GB, and they aren't going to grow more rare.

>>59861937
be a good goy and buy intel

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OP here, fixed image, in the op it says "R7 1600" instead of R5 1600

>>59860038
this is what Intel fans actually believe

ITT: kaby korelets btfo

But seriously how stupid could you be to buy a quad core in 2017 or even 2016?

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$850 budget build showdown
>Intel i7 6700
https://pcpartpicker.com/list/wtwCkT
>VS
>Ryzen 7 1600
https://pcpartpicker.com/list/XGZrXH

text prfgt to 51530 to vote, charges may apply

>>59863014
>dat sega computer
I didn't even know I wanted this until now.

>>59863014
>https://pcpartpicker.com/list/XGZrXH
>spending 40 more dollars on ram AND the motherboard
>comprable

ghey

>>59856319
I used that board and it was shit, it put stupid voltages through my cpu and no matter what settings I changed it would not help. Re turned it for a msi tomahawk and I have not had a problem since,

Hey /g/, I'll upgrade my pc pretty soon. I have currently:
>an old Phenom X4 955
>8gb DDR3
>Geforce GTX750TI, 2gb DDR5
>a couple of ssd's bought last year to boost a little my rig

I don't do much gaming (mainly RTS, retro games, some GTA online, far cry, etc). I do some photo editing and graphic design (Photoshop and Illustrator). I'd like to start learning AfterEffects, but that's the software that made my pc feel it's age. So, I'm looking at

>R7 1700
>X370 mobo

or

>R5 1600
>B350 mobo

I'll buy 16gb DDR4 RAM, and keep the GPU and SSD's for a while. What would /g/ do? Is AfterEffects threaded enough to make it worthwhile going for the R7? Or would I be fine getting the R5?

>>59864010
>>>/pcbg/

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>>59854410
I just bought a r5 1600x coming from an i5 6500. I think I'm good

>>59855749
single physical core is represented as two logical cores so the physical core can still do work whilst one of the logical cores is waiting for something.

say you have a single core with hypthreading, so in the system you have logical cores 0 and 1.

core 0 is calculating all primes under a billion and core 1 is compressing a file stored on disk.

Obviously the physical core can't do both tasks at the same time, so it splits the workload using time shares (iirc). core 1 needs to wait for the sata controller to pass information from the disk into the cpu though, so whilst it's doing that core 0 gets more time to compute its primes.

Incredibly simplistic example, but you'd be surprised how much cpu time is wasted waiting for things.

>>59856956
>>59857431
Keep fighting the good fight against the fear mongering crybabies.

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>>59855755
>Some tweaks here and there change the spec enough to where they can legally brand it as something else and not have to pay IBM for the IP to use SMT.
Why are you making shit up on the internet?

SMT isn't an IBM technology, it's a generic term for running several threads on one CPU core. There are tons of CPUs that do the same thing, including, but very much not limited to, various IBM POWER, Sun's UltraSPARC T1 and later, various different MIPS implementations, and a lot of historical CPUs going as far back as the CDC 6600's I/O processors.

There are lots of different kinds of SMT implementations too, not all vendors do it the same way. IBM wouldn't have any particular patents that Intel would be interested in, and AMD's implementation is certainly independent of IBM's.

"HyperThreading" doesn't even mean a single implementation inside Intel, since both the Pentium 4 and the Core architecture use it. It really is just their way to market SMT. You could just as well call it SMT and you'd be right.

>>59855796
So no, that's not what's going on.

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>>59854410
Where are the USB 2 internal headers?

I was told i5 is obsolete now but it's still doing well in benchmarks.

What gives? Is Ryzen 5's only advantage through OC? So no point buying it unless you're ready to shell out some extra for a good mobo+fan?

>>59861771
It's not a rebrand if it's done on GloFo's LPP instead of LPE

>>59866142
>No graphs
>No links
>No evidence
Yet another intelfag on suicide watch.

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>>59856848
>10% more performance justifies 500 dollars of additional spending

>>59854410
Of those two poorfag builds, the AMD one will do better in at least DX12/Vulkan thanks to Polaris drivers finally being decent.

Honestly though the real question is whether Vega is decent and can properly leverage 6c12t/8c16t CPUs, which could make 1600X/1700 + Vega builds look tempting for higher end builds.

>>59866338
just be a good goy and get Intel + Nvidia, play games the way they're meant to be played.

>>59854410
AMD wins. Three reasons.

>480 is stronger than 1060
neither card is powerful enough to hit the CPU limits for intel or AMD so the singlethread/IPC debate is irrelevant here.
>6cores/12threads
this is a no brainer if you had a massively lower single thread performance like with bulldozer then yes MOAR cores wouldnt mean shit but the IPC of Zen is ahead of broadwell now so having 12 threads on 6 cores as opposed to a non-HT 4 core is better for everything including gaming.


one of the reasons people are experiencing alot smoother rendering with Ryzen on their nvidia GPU's is due to the better design (direct input to CPU so lower controller latency than intel) and the extra threads can handle background system tasks without throwing them onto the main threads the game is running on. You can have 4 full cores and 8 threads running the game and only the game uninterrupted while everyone other system/background operation is on the last 2/4 threads.

Final reason

>DirectX12

This API is a game changer going forward. AdoredTV's video on Ryzen's performance on Rise of the Tomb raider changes everything. The DX12 drivers for AMd are so good that two 480's with 6-8 ryzen cores are smoking a GTX1080+i7-7700K and running flawlessly smooth. If AMD can get this kind of magic on most DX12 games going forward then you already have an enthusiast platform with AMd without vega releasing because they finally figured out dual-card SLI that runs smoothly without the microstutters.

which would be better for gaming the i7 7700k or the ryzen 7 1700?

>>59867431
ryzen r7 1600x

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>>59854410
It's faster by a whole cinema.

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>>59867753
>>59867737
>cherry picking and posting in two different threads with the same image

good god how embarassing

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So...

Ryzen 1400 @ 4.0ghz
RX 570 4 GB @ 1050 mhz

would this be the ultimate budget 60hz 1080p rig?

>>59867753
That's some Israel-tier cherrypicking right there

>>59868020
Nope, Ryzen 1600 is the cheapest CPU that makes sense to buy new given how good performance preused i5's and i7's from the past five years still have. 470/570 on the other hand is an excelent pick for 1080p/60fps/high given how inexpensive those cards are

>>59856848
This is bait

>>59859063
Nvidia's DX12 driver sucks so it's not the best on Ryzen, I'd wait for Vega.

Ryzen no contest.
480 has more raw horsepower.
1600 has 3 times the threads.

What were you thinking about games you fucking faggot?

>>59869303
"Drivers sucks" usually implies it's fixable but in this case its the Nvidias hardware that sucks.

Simplified, DX12/Vulkan can generate draw calls in multiple threads asyncronously, in ideal situation and in case of AMD's cards, those threads can just directly stream those calls to the graphics card and the hardware takes care of the rest. In Nvidias case those threads instead stream their draw calls to another thread on the CPU that emulates the shortcomings of the hardware and only then pipes those draw calls to the graphicscard in the old fashion way. It's extremely inefficient and requires good single threaded performance from the CPU, but that really is the best they could have done

>>59866142
You're a dumbass, cheap mobo's can overclock on the R5 and a decent cooler is included. i5 is obsolete because it's more expensive and slower.

>>59867753
Now retest those games with a Fury.

>>59857580
>Delid to match Ryzen power
>Reapplying expensive thermal paste to match ryzen thermals since Jewtel decided to save some extra shekles
>Voiding your warranty in the process
Meme

>>59856848
Where I've been looking, it's more like the 1800X wins some tests, and the 6900K wins some. They seem to be roughly equal. If anything, some 6900Ks may have better overclocking potential.

>>59869538
>In Nvidias case those threads instead stream their draw calls to another thread on the CPU that emulates the shortcomings of the hardware and only then pipes those draw calls to the graphicscard in the old fashion way.
[citation needed]

That's the first time I've heard anything like that.

>>59870787
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nIoZB-cnjc0&t

>>59867753
>Resorting to STILL posting day 1 R7 benchmarks
Shekelchasers on suicide watch.

>>59870880
Very interesting video, but it doesn't seem to back up >>59869538. The video states mostly the nVidia drivers have higher per-draw-call overhead in DX12/Vulkan usage, not that it needs to assemble a strictly serial command stream in one thread.

>>59871541
how would you even assemble a serial command stream in multiple threads?

>>59871805
Well, >>59869538 seemed to claim that draw commands from various threads were passed to a single thread which did the actual GPU submission.

>>59871889
And that's exactly what the vid is talking about around 13:50.

>>59867753
>ARMA 3 CPU benchmark
How you liking that ONE THREAD

>>59872359
They moved the AI to second thread so it now TWO THRED! You just wait till they move the engine to 64-bit and the game will finally be able to use more than 4gb.

>>59872036
Hmm, I wasn't really sure what he was talking about there, specifically. While he does talk about "reassembling" command streams, the associated picture certainly doesn't show anything like that, and he also says next (at about 14:10) that games can "do it right" and not see any drawbacks from it.

Judging from the picture, it looks more like that driver "buffers" some amount of draw commands and then tries to schedule them together as a group (which... could be referred to as "reassembly"), rather than shipping them off to another thread, but I'm really not sure what he means.