SSD vs HDD thread cause why no

>>>/v/

>>59842257
don't fall for the ssd jew

HDD's are better because the rotational readin pattern allows the computer to read faster off of the platter

Plus HDD's have better durability than shitty SSD's

>>59842315
Literal fucking bait. My computer got 2 times faster after I bought my SSD.

>>59842352
>not getting a joke like this
>>>/v/ is the only way.

>>59842257
HDD is an obsolete, archaic, horrible, slow 70s technology. When i switched to sane data medium about 8 years ago i couldn't believe there were people who still used that and there are people who PREFER that.
>inb4 i'm a poor hoarder who needs terabytes to hoard
1. hoarding is a literal mental illness
2. stop being poor
3. use the cloud

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Small 120GB SSD for my OS, everything else on the HDD. Maybe I'll put a few games on my SSD if they have a lot of loading screens but that's it.

>>59842537
This.
I don't even store movies, music or games. My internet is so fast that in 30 minutes I can download easily 30Gb.
Everything else worth saving it's in a cloud storage.

>>59842597
The hell is your OS that you need 120GB for it?

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>>59842257
Scientific proof of HDD superiority;
>SSD chips father away from the connector are going to read much slower than those closer
>HDD drive has 1 (one) arm which reads and writes the data from/to the platter
>this means much higher throughput of information through the SATA connector
>SSD chips can bit rot
>HDD drives are immune to this
>SSD chips often fail because of cosmic rays
>HDD drives are completely immune to this - the platter made of glass reflects the cosmic rays
The list could go on, but you should be able to understand that HDD drives are superior in every way.

>>59842352
>Literal fucking bait. My computer got 2 times faster after I bought my SSD.
It's not /g/'s fault that you're a massive retard and forgot to calibrate the radial incline moment of the platters

>>59842537
Do you lift? SSD
Do you hoard? HDD
Do you lift and hoard? RAID SSD
Do you lift and hoard but you are poor? RAID HDD

>>59842651
Just Win 10 - 120GB was the smallest that I could find at the time. Plus, I'd like to have room for maybe an MMO or two so I don't have to deal with 40 second load screens.

Buy bigger than 240GB SSD capacity, even if you use it just for programs and OS you will end up installing everything on it as your average life/work speed gets improved and will never go back to HDD and you will end filling up that much space soon even though is just software.

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>>59842767
My everything is less than 240gb you plebe.

>>59842315
>Rotational readin pattern

Kek, your "pattern" is entirely OS dependent.

>>59842653
>1 (one)
Im crying

>>59842923
Buying more than 240GB is still good since it gives the SSD more space to wear-level.

>>59842257
HDD advantages:
>better capacity/dollar
>better long term unpowered storage
>data recovery on failure is far easier than SSDs
>more read/write cycles before estimated failure if treated well
SSD advantages:
>higher data speed
>consistent data speed
>smaller size
>lower power consumption
>lower unexpected failure rate
>no noise/ no moving parts

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>>59842653
>SSD chips father away from the connector are going to read much slower than those closer
>SSD chips can bit rot
>HDD drives are immune to this
>SSD chips often fail because of cosmic rays
>HDD drives are completely immune to this - the platter made of glass reflects the cosmic rays

>>59842315
You have a point, but don't forget that HDDs also suffer from rotational velocidensity unless you spin your enter computer in the opposite direction at 7200 RPM to counteract it. And even then, you still have the earth's rotation messing with your files, albeit to a lesser degree.

Because of this SSDs are better since you don't have to spin your computer to account for rotational velocidensity.

>>59842257
APPLES AND ORANGES YOU FAGGOT

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>>59842653
>cosmic rays

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is this bad?

>>59844048
ye so bad

>>59843106
go peddle your rotational velociraptors on /sci/

>>59842257
ssd for speed
multiple hdd for backups

>>59843546
Cosmic rays are both real and a threat to computing.
Why do you think ECC ram exists?

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>>59842257
>SSD
Fast
Don't Last Long
>HDD
Slow
Last Long

Pick one and stop making these threads

>>59844648
>hdd for backups
This. All the illiterate "cloud" faggots can fuck off.

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>>59844786
>Threat

>>59844786
>Why do you think ECC ram exists?

To trick data centers into paying several times more for RAM.

>>59844786
Its actually a pretty big problem, coming from someone entering the memory engineering industry... https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Soft_error#Alpha_particles_from_package_decay

>Why are HDDs still relevant?
Because they compensate for the inherent natural deficiencies of an SSD, whereas the SSD does the same for an HDD.

An SSD:
+ Won't fail from vibrations
+ Doesn't have mechanical moving parts which can fail
+ Has more accurate lifespan estimation
+ Is faster
+ Can hoard more data in the future for cheaper price unless HDD platters get another technological upgrade to their material and data inscription methods

- Will get fucked by an electrical failure or instability, whether caused by itself, or as a side-effect of other hardware failures via the board, which can wipe and corrupt all data
- Will get fucked by firmware failure, bug, or intrusion, which has a high chance of making retrieval impossible
- Will get fucked by the chip control failing in a way that's hard to fix and which has a high chance of making data retrieval impossible

An HDD:
+ Won't fail from firmware because firmware is irrelevant
+ Won't fail from electrical failure because that only translates to mechanical parts failing while data already inscribed on the platter is retrievable
+ Due to lower speeds, any registered ongoing intrusions or data corruption can be mended, even if partially, making at least part of the data retrievable
+ Data lasts much longer in case of off-line storage, if HDD is kept in plastic containers away from moisture and high temperatures

- Mechanical parts can fail due to various means, or from vibration, but data from the platters is at least retrievable
- Slow speeds
- Prices will be higher per 1GB than SSDs in the future unless HDD platters evolve again, though speeds will always be lacking compared to SSD's
- Can't monitor and estimate lifespan accurately

Smart people use both for specific tasks where their strengths apply and weaknesses are offset.
Retards think one can replace the other.

Don't be a retard.

>>59844854
>Don't Last Long

Lasts 20 years longer than you'll be using it

My XP HDD disk boots faster than my W7 SSD.
I now regret buying that thing. It took me forever to configure and most of my steam games have to be installed in another disk anyway due to the small capacity.

Would only buy again for a laptop unless TB SSDs become mainstream.

Gotta go fast? SSD.
Have 100+ gigs of porn and anime? HDD.
All there is to it.

I hope flash storage surpass HDD in price per GB soon so I can transport my hoard easier.

>>59842537
>slow 50s technology
fixed

>>59847442
until it doesn't and have sudden death and you can't recover any data

>>59842257
The only things that are on my SSD are my OS files and my porn collection, for everything else I go with the old fashion platter because of the sheer capacity available.

>>59842651
Getting an SSD smaller than 120GB is both a waste of space in the case as well as a waste of money.

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>>59842597
Ahhhhhhhhhh <3

>>59842352
stop using a shit OS that needs a better hardware to compensate.

>>59843056
None of those HDD advantages are true anymore except price per dollar

>>59842653
nice satire

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>>59848545
>price per dollar

>>59842257
>HDD
Dirt cheap. Best option for storage if you're a poor NEET.

>SDD
Worlds faster. More reliable and secure. Silent. Lower power consumption. Even if you're a poor NEET, you better get one for your OS.

>>59842956
>he does not move files to the edge of the disk for faster access
you cant do that for SSDs because it only stacks files in boxes

>>59842537
>use the cloud
>use someone else's hdds instead of your own
>paying for terabytes of cloud storage

>>59842653
....bit rot
the best.

>>59842257
I had to use morpheusarch linux to recover partitions on a 1 year old HDD got a 4 year old SSD still going strong :^)

>>59842597
/thread

Everyone should be doing this. Best of both worlds.

>>59849161
Kek'd

Redpill me on SSHDs.

>>59852131
they're shit

So i just built my pc i have an hdd and sdd. How do i utilize them both in the smartest way?

HDD for FDE

>>59842257
For desktop keep a 128-512GB SSD that holds the OS and important programs and then use a 1TB+ HDD for backups and large files. On your laptop just get an SSD. Works for me.

>>59852252
SSD - OS/Programs
HDD - Media

SSD for OS in desktops and only drive in laptops, HDD for storage.

>>59847236
/thread

>>59852171
explain

>>59842653
Fucking cosmic rays flipping my bits.

>>59842257
>Literally buying empty space and plastic instead of a nice metal case with a premium weighty feel.

I will never understand SSD fags.

Possible to raid 1 a ssd/hdd combo?

>>59847236
Bravo to this man. Bravo

>>59842537
>3. use the cloud
And what do you think the cloud stores your data on, exactly?

>>59854276
I had to pick my rig up yesterday, and its heavy as fuck
I wouldnt mind it being a bit lighter

>>59854415
tape drives

SSD for
>software
It's faster and I can just install and reconfigure the software on a new drive if it fails

HDD for
>everything else
Yes, I'd appreciate the decreased load times to open or seek through a video or turn a manga page or something, but the data on these (music, movies, manga, etc.) are things that I can't easily recreate. If I lost them, I'd have to hope wherever I got them from still has it, and in the case of private trackers, hope that it's freeleech so i don't have to take a ratio hit for something i already had

>>59843106
don't forget the rotation of the galaxy, that shit adds up over time and will cause you to lose some additional bits

>>59854303
nvm, found http://tansi.info/hybrid/

>>59847160

Alpha radiation won't even go through dad casing let alone a pc case

>>59843106
Just once, I would like to see someone spin their computer at 7200 RPM in the opposite direction of the harddrives and see what happens.

>>59842257
why not both?

I listen to rock music, and solid state drives can not replicate the analog warmth of an HDD. If you don't mind sterile, brittle audio and only care about how easy it is to carry your little macbook air, you'll be fine with an solid state drive. If you are white and appreciate rock music and use expensive headphones, using anything but a reliable analog HDD is gimping your aural experience

>>59854415
maybe tapes, maybe distributed ramdisks, maybe optical media, it's not my problem anymore
>>59851197
stop being poor

>>59855908
>injecting yourself into the botnet
I rather backup my files offline thanks

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SSD : boot drive and things you want to load fast

HDD : everything else

>>59842537
4TB server class HDD not even 300€
4TB consumer grade SSD well above 1000€
4TB server grade SSD, I do not even want to think about it.

>>59856339
"server grade" is a spook.

HDDs have a naturally higher rotational velocidensity, while SSDs typicall have none.

>>59847887
glad someone caught it

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>2016 and SSD coming down in price nicely.
>Maybe next year it becomes a viable option to buy a couple of TB SSD and I can finally start getting rid of my externals.
>"There's a shortage on RAM and SSD, prices are going to go up during 2017"
>Mfw it's going to take till 2019 until we have somewhat affordable multi TB SSD, maybe even 2020.
God damn jewish industry.
I'm half convinced that HDD manufacturers threw a lot of money at the big SSD companies, just so the ancient hard drives could stay relevant a bit longer.
HDD is garbage and the faster those dinosaurs go extinct the better.

>>59842537
>3. use the cloud
oh let me guess: right, you should have "nothing to hide XD"?

>>59842315
>computer to read faster off of the platter

You don't have an SSD do you?

>>59848545
>price per dollar

>>59842653
>the cosmic rays


Ok guys, time to leave the thread and let the qualified professionals talk for a bit.

>>59858334
encrypt it if you have cp or something

how and why the fuck do you niggers need so much space for your shit? i have a 1TB HDD and 400 gbs are unused and i'm not even trying to be effective in space i could clean up another 100-200gb easy

>>59842315
Wrong. All wrong. Also, SSDs are now more durable than HDDs and arguably safer since they just enter read-only mode upon failure. Meanwhile, my HDD of 3 years died this week (720 days of online time)--1500 bad sectors became 5000 in a matter of days.

>>59855933
>I rather backup my files offline thanks
Stop being retarded and encrypt your shit then.

>>59858106
Apparently Samsung and Apple are somewhat at fault for the increase in SSD and RAM prices as they supposedly caused a shortage by buying most of the market to have enough for their new phone lineups at release.

ssd for OS + most used programs + games if that's your thing
hdd for movies, music, and general hoarding

>>59847236

Can data be kept on a HDD for as long as the dics won't corrode? Assuming it will be kept in a closed container away from moisture and high temperatures like you said, for how long will the data be readable?

>>59842315
i cannot believe how many of these retards replied to you in earnest.

have another.

>>59859256
My business has HDD's from 2003 that are still readable, and that's before HDD's in general got the new alloys for the magnetic particles on the platters later.
So you can bet on a very very long time.

>>59858906
Not falling for the streaming meme.

>>59859632
and you just keep those media files on your HDD forever even though you will almost certainly not watch it again?

>>59859669
First, I don't watch everything I download right away, and having it available offline makes it more convenient for me to watch at my leisure. Second, I'm either keeping it on my hard drive in case I want to watch it again at some point or I'm relying on someone else keeping it on their hard drive instead.
>even though you will almost certainly not watch it again?
Pretty fucking bold statement anyway. I've found there are almost always things I miss in a given piece of media the first time I consume it, be it books or movies or TV or music.

stop making these, just pick one

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>>59842315
>>59843106

>>59855803
>I would like to see someone spin their computer at 7200 RPM
That's redline in my car engine, the computer is probably gone at that point.

>>59842257
SSDs are a meme.

They offer no real advantages, cost more and die fast.

>>59858684
Why can't I use both? Why should I have to listen to you?

Using the cloud still gives HDDs a market, because that's what companies fucking use.

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>>59852714

Well both have pros and cons
But don't be a flapjack and buy both
Seriously. A 128-256 GB SSD (or 512-1024 if you are not poorfag like me =( ) for OS and 1-2 TB HDD for other shit

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>>59842315
did you read what you typed before you posted?