honestly, fuck linux. I hate these motherfucking cunts so much

>making a post instead of asking what the second step is

>>59841596
wow your pretty salty for someone who cant find a package and install it

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>>59841596

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>>59841622
<Sketch> second step is to provide more details. what library is version 2.4, and what needs 2.5?
<Ussat> Well, just cp lib2.4 lib2.5
<Ussat> done
<Ussat> of course

this is the combined POWER of linux


FUCK YOU autistic retards. and i really mean: RETARDS.
On windows I just use whatever library I want with whatever version I want and any app comes bundled with what it needs.

Linux: LOL U NEED A DIFFERETN VERSIONNN BRO??? HEY CMON BRO DONT BE CEREAAAZY NOW

>>59841702
>ERROR: library.dll not found

>>59841702
>cp lib2.4 lib2.5
Wait wouldn't this just copy lib2.4 into 2.5? That wouldn't actually change or update files.

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>>59841702
>app
D E P O R T E D
E
P
O
R
T
E
D

>>59841596
Agree with OP. IRC is almost fully cunt infested. Most of a time it's not hard to find an asshole who doesn't know the answer to your question but sure can ask you one ( and most of the time stupid ) instead. Slackware has the best irc community I came across.

>>59841596
>Doesn't know how to build a newer library
>Doesn't ask in the github
>CentOS, help me build my specific library because I am too retarded
Pretty sure you call yourself a developer too --in which case you should give up.

>>59841596
why the fuck do you need library version 2.5 instead of 2.4? are you certain you need the new functions provided by 2.5? why not build it yourself, you dumb asshole?

>>59841734
I don't remember the last time I saw that error.

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MOTHOERFUCKER I KNOW THAT IM NOT SUDO RIGHT NOW JUST ASK FOR IT YLOU FFUCKING PIECE OF SHIT LINUX WORTHLESS MOTEHRFUCKING CUNT WHORE DISTRO SHIT WORTHLESS DE

>>59841908
run the file manager as root, you god damn retard
or better yet, learn to use chmod, unless you're literally braindead

ITT: lintards justify the awkwardness of linux and its cancerous community vs. ease of use for windows

>>59841702
>app comes bundled with what it needs
Some linux programs do this too.

>>59841946

literally works seamlessly in Windows, but ok i guess I'm stupid XDDD

LOL!!!

FUCK YOU LINUX FAGS HONESTLY JUST KILL YOURSELF YOU FUCKING AUTISTIC CHILD.
THINK
THINK THINK
THINK
BEFORE YOU TYPE

Why Linux has 2% Desktop market share exhibit B

>>59842012
>file permissions
>working seamlessly in windows
lmao, that's a real good one

>>59841883
Neither do I the last time I forgot how to downgrade my packages.

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>>59842018
Linux has shit marketshare almost everywhere save for a few niche markets, anon.

Literally a feature since Windows ME lmao http://www.thewindowsclub.com/winsxs-folder-windows-7-8

>>59841760
Yeah, it should be mv

Most likely OP is too dumb to right it down correctly.

>>59842012
Found the fucker who doesn't have a job.

Windows permissions are insufferable. I have to deal with them every day at an engineering firm and when they're fucked, they're fucked.

Try moving and junctioning winsxs without using WinPE. Good luck.

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>>59842051
Also this.

>>59842051
Like what niche markets?

>>59842077
Like for example the glorified calculators they call "supercomputers".

>>59842051
There's no way that graph is correct. Source?

>>59842085
https://community.spiceworks.com/networking/articles/2462-server-virtualization-and-os-trends

>>59842085
>There's no way that graph is correct
It's not so hard to believe if you've ever been to an actual data center in any reputable company..

>>59842051
>>59842069
>On-premises
Number is inflated because of replication topologies and redundant domain controllers/other services. A Windows server cannot update (and in some shitty cases, not install software) without restarting, and so extraneous redundancies are needed. Needing more Windows servers because they're wildly unreliable does not mean it's the superior option.

This goes for on-premises and datacenter servers.

You people seriously need to get a fucking job where you have to use Windows. You would quit shilling for it within a week.

>>59842051
>>59842069
>>59842121
This is all not to mention those stats are for virtual machines ran by a specific host. You fuckers need to learn to read.

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>>59842121
>I suck at windows so I started hating on it
lmao pathetic

>Windows servers are unreliable
Only by your autistic definition of "lol muh uptime". In the real world, nobody cares about that, and Linux is widely considered unreliable due to lack of a proper, wide support network and steep learning-curve, lack of qualified professionals, lack of hardware support, etc.

>>59842121
>Linux
>doesn't even have a stable API
>reliable
Nice joke.

>>59842222
Quads of truth.

>>59842222
>Redhat
>Suse
>lack of hardware support
Nigger, are you high?

>>59841946
but /g/ told me linux just works and is totally usable!

defending this shit is exactly why it doesn't improve, and I'm saying this as someone who uses the command line for most things.

>>59841596
Just compile the new version of the library.
Oh wait
>centos
Maybe next time you should use Gentoo or some other distro that actually comes with a compiler.

Fuck off MS shills

>>59841596
Have you tries asking /fglt/? Also what is the problem you are having?

>>59842222
>Uptime
It's not just about the number that is uptime. Having to have secondary domain controllers so I can flop around trying to update shit with no interruptions is the nature of Windows.

Don't get me wrong, there's some slick features you get when you buy into Windows. Linux will never have a good AD DS alternative. That's fine, but neo/g/ just screams "muh market share" while misinterpreting graphs and denying that Windows has serious issues.

>Support
What is RHEL, SuSE, Ubuntu, etc?

>Learning curve
True, but the same could be said for Windows. Documentation can be lacking on occasion.

>Lack of professionals
Alright, what the fuck are you talking about? Are you seriously about to tell me a large corporation would have a serious problem finding Linux admins?

>Hardware support
What hardware? I can see where you're coming from, but you need to elaborate.

>>59842121
>You people seriously need to get a fucking job where you have to use Windows.
Which is pretty much every job out there. Wanna know why? No enterprise uses Linux because it simply is not up to standard. A few of the gravest deal breakers just off the top of my head:

- very poor backwards (and forwards) compatibility
- clusterfuck permissions management (PAM, SELinux, udev, HAL, udisk, upower, libudev, PolicyKit, ConsoleKit, Unix passwd, etc.)
- no unified package signing and verification system (it's virtually impossible to homologate software on Linux)
- no software group policies
- no standard way of mass software deployment
- no CIFS/AD replacement with centralized, easily manageable user directory, simple file sharing and simple network discovery and browsing
- no Network Policy Server alternative
- no production-ready filesystem with deduplication, checksumming and compression
- no proper Terminal Service/Remote Desktop alternative
- massive hardware issues
- regressions, regressions and more regressions

Get fucked, freetard.

>>59842245
>dogshit
FTFY

>>59842345
Pajeet, don't you have a loo to be finding.

>>59842364
Not an argument.

>>59842345
The multi billion dollar SPA I work for does not agree with you.
We use windows only for domain controllers and email servers , everything else is either redhat or Suse.

>>59842364
I support Linux, but just saying this shit doesn't do anything.

He's right in a lot of regards. Backwards compatibility is lacking, which is why LTS/stable releases are a thing. CIFS/AD are a deal breaker for a lot of people.

I would contend some of those points, but ultimately Linux can't beat Windows on everything. It doesn't even try in a lot of fields.

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> try to use some software
> 5 hour odyssey compiling and searching for dependencies, updating, resolving, reparing ldpath, repairing rpath, reading 5k line config.logs from autotools
> oh the software doesnt even do enough of what I want, I need a different tool

mother. FUCKER.

>>59842430
1 poo has been deposited into your loo, pajeet

>>59842407
It's really sad and pathetic that you ran out of arguments.

>>59842408
>We use windows only for domain controllers and email servers
You say that as if it wasn't a lot.

>everything else
Everything else is what? A couple of intranet servers? Please!

>>59842345
>- very poor backwards (and forwards) compatibility
Citation needed
>- clusterfuck permissions management (PAM, SELinux, udev, HAL, udisk, upower, libudev, PolicyKit, ConsoleKit, Unix passwd, etc.)
Do you even know what half of these things are?
>- no unified package signing and verification system (it's virtually impossible to homologate software on Linux)
Doesn't dpkg do this?
>- no software group policies
No need for policies on a working system
>- no standard way of mass software deployment
There isn't one in windows either
>- no CIFS/AD replacement with centralized, easily manageable user directory, simple file sharing and simple network discovery and browsing
Is this samba? No need to replace, shares still work.
cont.

>>59842345
>>59842456
>- no Network Policy Server alternative
>- no production-ready filesystem with deduplication, checksumming and compression
Linux supports all windows filesystems and more, if windows doesn't have it, neither linux does.
>- no proper Terminal Service/Remote Desktop alternative
>what is ssh and vnc
>- massive hardware issues
citation needed
>- regressions, regressions and more regressions
not an argument

>>59842447
Windows is niggerware, hence why they pay Indians to shill it.

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>>59842456
>No need for policies on a working system
This nigga confirmed for someone who has no fucking remote clue how systems administration or IT works.

>>59842447
>You say that as if it wasn't a lot.
Actually they are very small number of the ~4000 servers my office manage.

>>59842483
>n-word
Very edgy.

>>59842523
Thanks for confirming windows shills are also redditors

>>59842523
This, Lincucks confirmed for teens.

>>59842522
4,000 print servers

>>59842536
That meme is old and stale, anon. If you're trying to be funny, try something else.

>>59842551
>>59842562
>>>/reddit/

>>59842568
>>>/stormfront/

>>59842568
Has a black guy stolen your girlfriend, white boy?

MODS, /pol/ IS LEAKING AGAIN!!!

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> install system openssl
> install my own openssl cuz outdated of course in centos
> install system jemalloc
> install my own jemalloc because oudated of course
> install my own curl because outdated, doesnt have http2 support
> hm it doesnt get picked up, i guess i should try removing the system jemalloc i installed before and see if it works now

nope, broken dnf and yum. just wow. Everytime. Hours of my life wasted yet again on mother. fucking. linux.

EVERY. TIME. For YEARS.

I legit have to reinstall my distro every couple of months because it gets fucked up by something I do.

> inb4 "MUHH ITS U RFAULT LOLLL"

read what i typed mofo

>>59842536
Said the guy defending the operating system advocated by an entire cult of die-hard of communist SJW libruls.

Stay mad, freetard.

>>59842054
>Most likely OP is too dumb to right it down correctly.
>right it down
3/10 made me reply

>>59842613
GNU is not linux, pajeet

>>59841702
>>59841908
>>59842593

You are either a pajeet or a juan and thus incapable of using anything but windows, holy shit you retarded monkey if you bother to read the thread you would find a solution to your extremely trivial problem but instead you shitpost.
also sage.

>>59842635
What's wrong with righte?

>>59841596
Why do you specifically need to use CentOS? You might have better luck using something like Ubuntu or Fedora is you need newer updated packages.

Aren't CentOS's repositories a little old.

ITT windows kids

shows over folks

>>59841702
don't use centOS, then, dumbass.

gentoo doesn't have this issue.

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windows is a great OS op you should use it


[spoiler]
if you like sucking dicks you cocksucker[/spoiler]

>>59843004
>[/spoiler]
>>>/v/

>>59843281
[spoiler]Jobs dies.[/spoiler]

>>59843345

It's just Linux. Not GNU/+Linux you spack.

>>59843379
Didn't make the picture, got it from somewhere else.
Also you missed the entire point of the picture and only looked at the OS names. Good job, you spack.

>>59842654
But that's wrong, you fucking retard.

>>59843453
You can use linux without GNU, pajeet. One poo has been deposited into your loo.

Well, GNU/Linux isn't created by a company, it's created by the internet. You can't expect it to have the same kind of support.

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WHO THE FUCK CARES WHETHER IT'S GNU/LINUX, GNU+LINUX, LINUX OR VARIATIONS OF THAT
JUST CALL IT WHATEVER THE FUCK YOU WANT, STOP FIGHTING ABOUT WHAT THE FUCKING NAME IS AND FOCUS ON THE ACTUAL OS INSTEAD YOU IGNORANT FUCKS

MAKE PROGRESS AND STOP FIGHTING ABOUT NON-IMPORTANT SHIT YOU RETARDS

>>59843474
I'd love to see you try to compile Linux without GCC, you nescient mouthbreather.

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>>59843345
You forgot OS X users.

>>59843534
GCC runs on windows too, but that doesn't make it GNU/Windows, dumbass

>>59843534
you can do it with clang although it's not fun

>>59843519

it's turbo autists man
basically think of the type of person that would actually say that bash is a decent language
then think of the type of person that thinks emacs is a great IDE for web development

now combine those two and you realize the nuclear autism power that powers the GNU/linux name spergs

>>59843519
>MAKE PROGRESS AND STOP FIGHTING ABOUT NON-IMPORTANT SHIT YOU RETARDS
If shitposts like this worked, Linux might not be such a joke on the desktop.

Keep in mind Linux is a kernel, what's built on top of it is the important part. Android is immensely popular. Desktop Linux is still a mess.

>>59843549
You don't need GCC to compile Windows, you idiot. It's not about where it runs, it's about what depends on it. How can you be so dense?

>>59843551
If you have to patch anything, then by definition you can't. Stop the mental contortionism.

>>59843587
OH IT DEPENDS ON MY COMPILER SO I CAN SHOVE THE NAME OF GNU ON IT

>>59843474
"Can" as in "it's possible", but it's not usable. Without glibc, there's no nsswitch, and without nsswitch, you can't do anything serious enterprise networking stuff.

>>59843642
>can't do anything serious
bullshit, I have built systems based on musl. just patch the libc itself

>>59843345
>complains about something that can be easily scripted

Sometimes I'm glad people like you think Linux is hard to use, because I don't want retards like you shitting all over the OS like you do with Wangblows.

>>59843661
Cool, let's have a Skype confcall then. Oh wait...

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>>59843683
Skype requires the use of a client program that is not free software; in other words, the users don't control it — it controls them.

A nonfree program denies users freedom, which is unjust in itself. Making the ethical issue sharper, for you to use Skype is to encourage someone else to use Skype, which means you're pressuring someone else to surrender freedom as well. This is plenty of reason to refuse to use Skype, but there are more reasons.

Skype refuses to say whether it can eavesdrop on calls. That almost certainly means it can do so.
Skype gave personal data about a Wikileaks supporter to another company without any legal obligation to do so.
Skype churns the meaning of preference settings, and gives its users a run-around when someone cheats them.
Microsoft has changed Skype to make it easier for states to snoop on users.
Skype messages are not encrypted for the whole trip: Microsoft can read them. And Microsoft does read them.
The author of the first article ended by bending over backwards to legitimize everything else that is wrong with Skype, such as the use of a nonfree client program, but you don't have to follow him in that.

What to use instead? The most obvious alternative is a long-distance phone card. They are quite cheap nowadays, and they work with any phone. There are also free programs you can use, such as Ekiga, Mumble, Jitsi and more.

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>>59843682
Why is disabling of devices not a standard fucking GUI feature?
Why do I have to script it first?
Why is it not natively built in as a normal fucking GUI application?
Even fucking Windows 95 has this feature.

Saying "oh you can just script it though" is like saying "Here's a new monitor, oh but to turn it on or off you need to open it up first and connect wire A to wire B manually. Then short the wire in socket BUS_32 with GATE_4 and there you go! Simple!"

What the fuck is this bullshit?

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>be a retard
>can't afford RHEL subscription that would help me solve my problems
>get the free version of it
>complain it has no support

such is life in the 3rd world

>>59843724
Hi, rms. Please explain to him why it's "GNU+Linux", and not "Linux".

>>59843804
Linux*

>>59843803
Or you could just go the Windows route and have support pretty much for free, because Windows actually works and doesn't require you to go through a hundred hoops before you can achieve a certain goal.
And even if something doesn't work, Google has your back and you're pretty much guaranteed to find a solution.

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>>59843838
>And even if something doesn't work, Google has your back and you're pretty much guaranteed to find a solution.
So does on fucking CentOS, since it's a community fucking operating system and it's functioning relies on a finanse-free relationship between it's developers and users.

Why do you blame an OS for your ineptitude to use a search engine?

Imagine, if Microsoft of Apple told customers that their use case scenario was illegitimate when customers demanded some feature that wasn't currently supported by their OSes. Freetards would be up in arms about the tyranny of closed source software and mega corporations and stuff. Why is the Linux community the only community that finds it socially acceptable to shame and bully people if they have a use case scenario that their software is not good for?

>>59843878
>if Microsoft or Apple told customers
>customers

>Why is the Linux community
>community

Starting to see the difference? If you want enterprise support then you are more than welcome to pay for a RHEL license.

>>59841946
>>59842715
Nah the read-only shit gets old. I should just be able to right click and run as root like in Windows. I use Linux exclusively and have for the last few years but a lot of simple things become annoyances compared to Windows.

>>59843878
Because you're supposed to fix it yourself. Your time is literally the money you would've spent on a proprietary OS.

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>>59843878
Because muh meritocracy

http://www.linux-magazine.com/Online/Blogs/Off-the-Beat-Bruce-Byfield-s-Blog/LibreOffice-drops-Type-1-font-support

>>59843924
there's nothing stopping you from doing this

>>59843878
>Why is the Linux community the only community that finds it socially acceptable to shame and bully people if they have a use case scenario that their software is not good for?
Because only a retard wastes time to complain about it on tech support forum and anime imageboards instead of looking for a different product/solution/platform.

It's a defense mechanism that evolved for over a decade+ of dealing with people who expect linux to be "windows but i don't have to pay for it"

>>59843924
>I should just be able to right click and run as root like in Windows
Dolphin has this.

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>>59843868
You didn't read my first statement:
Or you could just go the Windows route and have support pretty much for free, because Windows actually works and doesn't require you to go through a hundred hoops before you can achieve a certain goal.

So most of the time you don't even HAVE to ask anyone else for something, simply because stuff actually works and isn't designed in a retarded and complicated way.

And I think we all know that support for Windows is much, much larger than for any Linux distro, even with your fancy CentOS Community you won't even remotely compete with the support and communities available for Windows.

>>59841596
Literally just download the package, idiot. I'm sure there's an official centos repo with the version you're looking for. Other wise there will be an rpm for it out there somewhere which I'm sure you can verify.
>Getting this mad because you feel you're entitled to an answer immediately on an irc channel for a linux distro
You need to seriously tone down that austim, friend.
Reminder that you should use the software that allows you to be most productive in your own way. If windows is easier for your software application, use it. Stop crying about it on /g/.

>>59844014
if Windows is so great then why are you attempting to use linux?

>>59844014
> isn't designed in a retarded and complicated way.
Yeah buddy it's totally not because you've used the Windows platform for the last 2 decades and you're used to how it works so everything "makes sense" to you


>And I think we all know that support for Windows is much, much larger than for any Linux distro, even with your fancy CentOS Community you won't even remotely compete with the support and communities available for Windows.
stop the fucking presses, a system used on 90%+ of desks on the planet has bigger community than a distribution of an obscure system used by a few thousand people at best.

>>59843913
I don't think the difference matters when Linux users keep bullying me for using proprietary software. Stop fucking bullying me if your community isn't as good at serving customers as companies are.

>>59844046
I do think that the whole deal with freedom and open source is a very good cause, especially now since Windows 10 is shoving telemetry down everyone's throats. So I took time out of my day to try Linux out, why not, right?

And while this is a great cause, that doesn't change the fact that Linux is just a pain in the ass, at least for Desktops. For servers Linux is pretty much still the way to go though.

If Linux puts more care and focus into ease of use in the future, then sure I'll give it another shot.
And if the whole "IT'S GNU/LINUX NOT LINUX!!!!!!!!!!!!" circlejerk ends.

>>59844046
>>59844024
These are the only valid responses to the OP.

>>59844077
You're not a customer.

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>>59844069
>>59843345
Look at the right side of the picture. Does that look even remotely like ease of use to you? Are you seriously defending this? Really?

>>59843878
>customers
idiot

>>59844077
who's bullying you

the prop drivers are sometimes necessary, sometimes not. but at the end of the day the problem is with the hardware companies, not linux.

>>59844095
you are frustrated because you've spent maybe a combined day or two trying to learn an entirely new OS. of course you aren't going to be as competent or as fast as you would be on Windows, which you've presumably spent the vast majority of your life using

it really is like switching to a manual car from an automatic, yes it's more difficult and you have to learn new skills but for some use cases it really can pay off. but if you are completely happy with the automatic then just stick with the automatic

>>59844120
there are device managers available for linux

>>59844120
>Does that look even remotely like ease of use to you?
Of course not. Why would it be easy? Why would you disable a working piece of hardware?

>>59844141
People like
>>59844133

>>59844104
So stop expecting me to switch to your special snowflake software when I want to be treated like a customer.

>>59844162
well you aren't a customer of linux

you are a customer of the hardware vendors. if their drivers aren't working for you then I don't really know why you are directing your anger at linux

>>59844141
How does having to type:
lsusb
lsusb -t
cat /sys/bus/usb/devices/1-6/id{Vendor,Product}
echo "0" > /sys/bus/usb/devices/1-6/bConfigurationValue
+ That startup bs

...pay off instead of simply right clicking what you want and clicking "Disable"?

How?
HOW?
HOW DOES THIS PAY OFF? WHAT ADVANTAGES DO I GAIN?

>>59843959
This right here is why open sores will never a real thing, it will always remain a fringe hobbyist thing.

Also meritocracy is a meme.

>>59844187
who the fucks disables working piece of hardware?

>>59844181
if you want to be a customer of linux I highly recommend purchasing a RHEL license

they will provide great support and fix any problems you are having without you having to learn anything

>>59844187
there are device managers available for linux

why are they not more prevalent?

see >>59844152

Not many people need to disable hardware devices, if so they will usually just unload the kernel module

>>59844120
Windows:
>open the startmenu
>right click your computer
>click device manager
>find the category labeled imaging devices
>right click the device in that and choose disable

Linux:
>copy and paste this command and give me the output
>now copy and paste this command

Commands make tech support much much easier and quicker.

>>59844186
>its not linux's fault it's shit guys i swear believe me!!

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>>59844147
If device management in a GUI, a feature that has existed in Windows 95 natively and without any additional programs, does not exist in a 2017 OS by default, then clearly something is very fucking wrong.

who disables working hardware?

>>59843345
If you really think that right part of image is some kind of "mumbo jumbo" for you, then you should stop using, even trying to use linux.
It's just that you might be too stupid, if you got frustrated with this.

>>59844247
/v/ kids so the can get more FPS bro!1!!!XDdd

>>59844225
there's nothing wrong because 90% of the things you need to do in windows device manager are irrelevant in linux

you don't need to update drivers or scan for hardware changes or manually install drivers using a wizard

disabling perfectly functional hardware should be done in the BIOS or by blacklisting the appropriate kernel module. Hot-disabling devices is a fringe scenario at best

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>>59844188
Are you a software developer? Write software. If you want to release the source code, go ahead. Maybe it will be useful to a lot of people. Do you owe the users of your software anything more than that? No. Why would you? There are no contracts in place, they aren't giving you money either. Reminder: USE THE SOFTWARE THAT ALLOWS YOU TO BE MOST PRODUCTIVE IN YOUR OWN WAY AND STOP BEING A FUCKING BABY. USE WINDOWS, USE DOS, USE FREEBSD, USE MACOS, USE GNU/LINUX, IT DOESN'T MATTER. WHATEVER IS APPROPRIATE FOR YOUR SOFTWARE APPLICATION, WHATEVER WORKS FOR YOU.

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>>59844222
You forgot to add to Linux:
>opening web browser
>going to Google
>typing "linux disable device"
>copy and paste this command and give me the output
>now copy and paste this command

Same shit, except it takes way more time and effort.
On Windows the only thing you need to know about universally is the Control Panel. From there you find almost everything you would want to configure. You see Device Manager, click it and boom you have everything right in front of you without having to use Google.

I think even a 7 year old knows what a Control Panel is.

>>59844301
>implying anyone on /g/ does anything productive
lmoa

it's /v/eddit kids arguing about which gpu is best for witcher and /a/utists arguing which anime girl would suck their dick if she was real

>>59844321
Oh yeah, and also add "Open Terminal" if we're going to be verbose like you were.

>>59844321
how the fuck do you think gramps figures out how to disable a device in windows

you are taking your 14+ years of windows knowledge for granted

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>>59844321
>copying and pasting commands from the web

>>59844321
who disables working hardware?

>>59844345
I disable some of my hardware for corporate security reasons. Since this is a fairly normal scenario the BIOS of my Thinkpad T460 allows me to do this securely at a hardware level. Disabling hardware at a software level should be done by blacklisting it so that the module isn't even loaded into memory. Disabling it via /dev/ is such a fringe scenario I cannot imagine why anyone would want to do this. I actually think it's pretty amazing that Linux allows such fine-grained control to do this at a software level tbqh.

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>>59842345
>- very poor backwards (and forwards) compatibility
>- clusterfuck permissions management (PAM, SELinux, udev, HAL, udisk, upower, libudev, PolicyKit, ConsoleKit, Unix passwd, etc.)
>- no unified package signing and verification system (it's virtually impossible to homologate software on Linux)
>- no software group policies
>- no standard way of mass software deployment
>- no CIFS/AD replacement with centralized, easily manageable user directory, simple file sharing and simple network discovery and browsing
>- no Network Policy Server alternative
>- no production-ready filesystem with deduplication, checksumming and compression
>- no proper Terminal Service/Remote Desktop alternative
>- massive hardware issues
>- regressions, regressions and more regressions

Nigger, it's called LDAP.

>>59844385
I didn't ask you you cunt.
I asked the faggot that repeatedly tries to pass this down as fucking "feature" that literally noone fucking uses

>>59844321
>opening web browser
>going to Google
>typing "[OS] disable device"
Those same steps are needed in windows, that's why they were omitted.

>>59844345
Probably the same people that think disabling network drivers is the magic fix for all networking issues on any OS.

>>59844337
I am saying that if you know about the Control Panel in Windows (which by the way you can find just by freaking clicking the Start Menu and seeing "Control Panel" on the right), then you can deal with most problems simply by using said Control Panel.
Then you see "Device Manager" in there and boom you have everything you need.
Absolutely no need to use Google if you use just a tiny little bit of Common Sense™.
You don't even need a lot of preknowledge, you just need to use your Common Sense™ to click the thing labeled "Start" and from there you'll be able to achieve your goal without ever having to touch Google.

I don't hate Linux. Seriously, I don't. I really do hope it gets better in the future, especially in terms of ease of use, hell I'd switch to it immediately if it accomplishes the goal of ease of use. FOSS is a great cause, hell I even donated to a fair amount of FOSS projects like Tor in the past simply because I feel like those kinds of things need to be supported.

>>59841596

>what is an XY problem

>>59844419
Read >>59844433

>>59844433
>if you use just a tiny little bit of Common Sense™
Always assume the dumbest user possible. They don't have common sense nor do they know about the control panel.

>>59844433
My Linux common sense tells me that all hardware devices are stored in /dev/ and since everything in linux is a file, there will be a file that will disable/enable each /dev/ device. So all I need to do is to identify the hardware device location and toggle its enable/disable file. I can use tab completion to traverse my hardware devices or I can use a utility like lshw or lsusb to find the appropriate location.

>>59841702
Yes. They all come with dotnet. /s

>>59844433
>oops I accidentally disabled my active GPU and now I have a windows installation that boots to a black screen
>time to buy a new computer

this is what a typical windows user would do

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>>59841702
T-thx m-micro-s-soft

>>59844433

My Mom has used Windows on a daily basis since 3.11 and I'm fairly sure that she has never once in her life opened up the control panel

>>59841816
>IRC is almost fully cunt infested.

This

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>>59844486
Let's say you're completely new to computers.
You don't have access to the internet.
You want to disable a certain device because something's wrong with it.

Scenario 1:
You sit in front of a Windows 7 machine.
You see this thing labeled "Start" in the bottom left.
Since it says "Start", what would that mean? It means you should start there.
So what do you do, you click the thing labeled "Start".
It says "Control Panel" on the right. Oh I wonder what that could mean.
You click this thing labeled Control Panel, you click Device Manager.
There you go, a simple right click on a device is enough to do whatever it is you want to do with the device.

Scenario 2:
You sit in front of an Ubuntu (yes, hate it on it as much as you want, I just wanted to pick something that's common) machine.
You - again - have no preknowledge of computers. You see that funky looking Dash icon thing. You click it.
You type in: "settings", you open the system settings.
You look through all the different setting submenus. You realize there is no way to natively manage devices with a GUI properly.
Well, shit.
And from here on, you have to use Google.
There is simply no way you can otherwise find out that by typing:

lsusb
lsusb -t
cat /sys/bus/usb/devices/1-6/id{Vendor,Product}
echo "0" > /sys/bus/usb/devices/1-6/bConfigurationValue

...you can disable a certain device, assuming you don't have any preknowledge or Internet access.

With Windows however it is perfectly possible to achieve your goal (disabling a device) without having access to the Internet or having preknowledge of how Windows works, simply because Windows was actually built with ease of use in mind. Seriously, the only thing you need to figure out yourself is that there's a thing that says "Start" in the left bottom corner. It may take grandpa a while to find the Device Manager, but it's perfectly possible if you give him at least 10 minutes or so of time. Using Common Sense™ is not that hard.

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>>59844699
>You want to disable a certain device because something's wrong with it.
like what you cumguzzling faggot

>>59844699
>You sit in front of a Windows 7 machine.
>You see this thing labeled "Start" in the bottom left.
>Since it says "Start", what would that mean? It means you should start there.
>So what do you do, you click the thing labeled "Start".
>It says "Control Panel" on the right. Oh I wonder what that could mean.
>You click this thing labeled Control Panel, you click Device Manager.
>There you go, a simple right click on a device is enough to do whatever it is you want to do with the device.

You got there because you know how Windows work.
I can 100% assure you that a person "new to computers" would have no fucking clue how to achieve it.

>>59844699
>Let's say you're completely new to computers.
>You want to disable a certain device because something's wrong with it.

Choose one

>>59844699
If I was new to computers and a device broke I'd just assume it has to be replaced. I wouldn't even think about being abe to disable it.

You fail to think of the user as someone that has absolutely no clue, which he might very likely not have.

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>>59844699
>let's say you're completely new to computers.

Someone completely new to computers wouldn't be able to find the start menu.

t. my 60 year old grandmother who can't even use a DVD player.

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>>59844789
Did you even read my post in detail?

"With Windows however it is perfectly possible to achieve your goal (disabling a device) without having access to the Internet or having preknowledge of how Windows works, simply because Windows was actually built with ease of use in mind. Seriously, the only thing you need to figure out yourself is that there's a thing that says "Start" in the left bottom corner. It may take grandpa a while to find the Device Manager, but it's perfectly possible if you give him at least 10 minutes or so of time. Using Common Sense™ is not that hard."

My point is that you do not NEED preknowledge on Windows. All you need is just a bit of time and some Common Sense™.
You will be able to complete your goal (disabling a device) without having to touch Google or needing preknowledge.

On Linux however you are required to have some form of preknowledge or access to Google. I doubt Ubuntu will lead you to what you want to do by saying: Oh you have to do this:

lsusb
lsusb -t
cat /sys/bus/usb/devices/1-6/id{Vendor,Product}
echo "0" > /sys/bus/usb/devices/1-6/bConfigurationValue

Do you see what I'm saying?

>>59844834
>what is apropos
>what is man

>>59844834
No you don't.

You can just click on the hard drive sitting on the desktop, go to /dev/ ("Oh, I wonder if "dev" is short for device?") and double click on the control file. It pops up and has comments on every line explaining what each value means so you can just read it and find the value you need to change and change it. Click save, done.

Common Sense™

I will never understand /g/'s autistic need to fight over which operating system is superior.

>>59844890
it's just young people that are trying out new things and not feeling comfortable

>>59844881
Does that sound like something a person without absolutely no preknowledge of computers would be able to find out within a reasonable amount of time? Really?

>>59844824
Whether they would be able to find the Start Menu or not is a personal viewpoint. I think they would, simply because seriously come on, It says freaking "Start" right there. They just need to know what the word "Start" means and everything else goes from there. If however you say they wouldn't be able to find that thing labeled "Start", then thats ok, i accept that. Again, personal viewpoint.

>>59844771
>>59844798
Disabling a device is just one of many things, it's just meant as an example. There's a lot more topics other than Device disabling that this would apply to.

>>59844834
>Did you even read my post in detail?
Yeah, Unlike some of you I don't have the attentionspan of a goldfish.

What I don't like about your stupid fucking gibberish is you going all the way back and forth to find a silly example of a particular activity that's done easier on windows than on linux without giving me a SINGLE fucking example of why would you need such a feature.


Noone disables working hardware.
Broken hardware doesn't need to be disabled - it just doesn't fucking work.

Throw your /v/eddit memes and use ™™ all you want you're not going to convince me that someone 1km undearth the earth crust operating a massive doomsday machine on a windows computer without internet connectivty suddenly needs to disable a hardware driver module otherwise it will blow the earth apart.

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Just because you're completely incompetent and lack Common Sense™ doesn't make modern linux DEs any less intuitive than the windows DE.

Status of your argument:
[ ] Bullshit
[ ] Shitposting
[ ] Memes
[ ] Blown the fuck out
[ ] /thread
[x] All of the above

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>>59844933
>Whether they would be able to find the Start Menu or not is a personal viewpoint. I think they would, simply because seriously come on, It says freaking "Start" right there. They just need to know what the word "Start" means and everything else goes from there.
Where exactly does it say this magnificent word START?

Oh shit I forgot modern windows is as cryptic to a computer illiterate person as any other OS you put in their hands without explaining the basics.

>>59844910

It really just shows you the major demographic for /g/ at this point in time.

With time (and employment) you realize that each operating system has its merits. And most of the anti Windows/anti Linux points I've read in this thread are fairly stupid.

>>59844954
I am trying to maximize my fps, there are you happy? If I can temporarily disable hardware like my integrated card reader then my computer won't run so hot when I am playing steam games. Windows allows me to do this seamlessly, linux is a nightmare

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>>59845015
If you're trying to maximize your FPS, you should install linux with XFCE instead of windows.

Checkmate, microsoft shill.

>>59844954
Read >>59844933 please, in particular:
"Disabling a device is just one of many things, it's just meant as an example. There's a lot more topics other than Device disabling that this would apply to."

I am aware that this is probably a thing that you'll not do very often (disabling a device), however IF you would have to do so (let's say for example you want to disable the built-in camera of your laptop because you're paranoid), then clearly it's much simpler to do on Windows, assuming you have no preknowledge of both operating systems.

If I would have to come up with more examples as to why you would want to disable a device, well here's a few I guess:
- Device is acting weird, causing glitches in your OS
- You want to disable the built-in card reader of your system, because you don't need it and don't want 4 blank "Removable devices" showing up in your device list in My Computer or File Manager (No this is not a Windows-exclusive thing, I had Ubuntu showing 4 blank removable devices too in the Dock thing or whatever it's called)

Again, it's just an example, there's a lot of topics and things that you could do on computers where this whole thing would apply to (ease of use)

>>59843345
this is just feature creep

useless bloat isn't a feature, it's just bloat

if it was so important why don't non-legacy OS like android or iOS have this 'feature'

>pro-tip: because it's not necessary

>>59845042
Linux in my personal experience performs worse than Windows in terms of Gaming. This may be different for you, however even an OS specifically made for gaming still underperforms than something like Windows 8, see here:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OYUA7r3AyJs

>>59845068
>- Device is acting weird, causing glitches in your OS
Continuing to making stuff up i see

>You want to disable the built-in card reader of your system, because you don't need it and don't want 4 blank "Removable devices" showing up in your device list in My Computer or File Manager (No this is not a Windows-exclusive thing, I had Ubuntu showing 4 blank removable devices too in the Dock thing or whatever it's called)
Extremely user specific application that doesn't warrant an entire separate GUI to accomodate it.

>>59845015
>I am trying to maximize my fps, there are you happy?
THERE WE FUCKING GO.
Videogame snake oil.
As usual.

protip: it doesn't work like that.

>>59845068
>let's put EVERYTHING in the GUI!!!

If you want to remove an icon from your desktop you don't disable the fucking hardware, you get rid of the icon

All you are demonstrating is how cucked you are by the MS environment where it is easier to disable hardware than it is to hide a fucking icon

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>>59845113
XFCE has more frames per second than windows

>>59845122
How is this "making stuff up"?
I've had an old laptop from Acer (fucking hate their products btw) where the dedicated GPU was not working properly and I was getting severe video artifacts in videos. Only solution was to turn off the dedicated GPU and use the Intel HD thing instead.

Again, this whole "I want to disable a device" is just an example, there's - as I've said multiple times - other things where you could apply the same ease of use (or lack of ease of use in that case) to.

>>59845152
you do this in the bios, not in fucking software after you've already loaded the driver

>>59845151
That's great, but we were talking about gaymen. I think the FPS of a video game matters much more than the FPS of your desktop environment. Even then, I've personally had no problems with Windows 7's Aero Interface. But then again, this could be different for you, it depends on experience etc., so I understand your argument.

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>it was clueless /v/edditors making accusations out of the ass after all

Every
single
fucking
time

It's kind of funny seeing so many of these supposedly really "technically adept" types go all apeshit over people using Linux or OSX. My experience is that it's usually just their ego telling them that "No, you can't be bad at something relating to computers, so it has to be something other than you" to avoid having to admit that they only know how to use Windows.

The daily anti-linux thread is the daily drug that makes that bad feel go away.

>>59845179
I tried that, my laptop did not have an option to turn off the dedicated GPU in the BIOS. Blame Acer for that.

>>59845196
then you go to the next step, which is blacklisting the driver module via modprobe

autistic elitism.

this egocentric thinking is also why linux will forever look like shit ("it's easy to use for me so it must be easy to use for everyone and well designed GUIs are for fags who arent leet haxxors like me")

>>59845152
>Again, this whole "I want to disable a device" is just an example, there's - as I've said multiple times - other things where you could apply the same ease of use (or lack of ease of use in that case) to.
like fucking what

>How is this "making stuff up"?
I've had an old laptop from Acer (fucking hate their products btw) where the dedicated GPU was not working properly and I was getting severe video artifacts in videos. Only solution was to turn off the dedicated GPU and use the Intel HD thing instead.
so you had a damaged hardware that somehow continued to run.

It is not the job of system developers to accomodate users running on highly unstable systems.

and it could be disabled in bios anyways

>>59845134
It was just an example.
Also, that card reader had an LED on it that was constantly on, no matter if you had something inserted or not. If you disable the card reader in device manager, that annoying shitty LED turns off and is done for. You can't do that by just hiding the icon in your OS.

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>>59845186
Games run faster in linux b-baka

>>59845228
>let me throw in this additional caveat that was never mentioned

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>>59841702
kek'd

>>59843800
Ask the developers of your DE of choice. I mean, you do realize that the device manager in Windows is just a front end that runs a script to enable/disable devices, right? I'm sure if you scour GitHub long enough, you will find someone who has posted a program to do exactly what you're whining about.

>>59841908
Do you honestly think it's a good idea, security-wise, to let programs ask for privilieges whenever it suits them?

>>59842593
>because it gets fucked up by something I do.
P.I.C.N.I.C.
Problem
In
Chair
Not
In
Computer

>>59843345
disabling hardware isn't really a common thing to do

OP: you are dealing with CentOS users. They're a bit different from normal Linux users, because they think it's okay to use old software. On Ubuntu we'd just tell you to add the development ppa for the library to your list of repositories.

I am a unix/linux admin for many years and I never in my life used desktop distro. I tried...they are all complete trash.

>>59845209
Yes, and that's where we are again with (lack of) ease of use. It's great that you are telling me how to do this in Linux and I appreciate that, however a person without preknowledge won't be easily able to figure that out on their own.

>>59842222

>Muh uptime
If it's a server, you're not fucking supposed to power it off.

>>59845234
Certainly not all games. Even an OS specifically made for gaming cannot achieve Windows 8's performance, see https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OYUA7r3AyJs

>>59845376
I am aware, however as I have said a few million times, it's just an example. I am very, very certain that there are more than enough things the same logic could apply to (lack of ease of use).

>>59845188

The worst part about it is that most people don't even understand Windows. They may be able to click around and get things done. But take away their GUI and ask them to do things via powershell and they're lost. Same goes with how the underlying Windows operating system works. This thread is full of angry uninformed, unemployed young adults.

>>59845509
probably, but similar arguments can be made against windows, it's not perfect, either

>>59845475
why is this a problem?

a person without linux knowledge won't be trying to disable working hardware on linux unless it's (very) specifically you, and you found the answer already

you are making up usage scenarios that don't exist (some linux user that doesn't know how to use linux or solve problems with google that wants to disable working hardware). It's asinine and it's a poor use of developer time to create things like this. Linux development is a zero-sum game, sure they could fix 'problems' like yours that are extremely obscure and not caused by a bug or problem with the OS but because the user is inept or they could spend time working on actual issues like security and hardware compatibility

>>59845496
Not all games, only the ones that aren't Pajeeted to shit. Stuff that's actually programmed well in OpenGL almost always has a higher fps on Linux.

hl2 even get's more fps under wine than it does on windows.

>>59845441
just curious, what do you dislike about them? i mean apart from the lack of game/productive software support the main distros are usable enough.

i don't use linux because i havent found a DE that i really like, but iwouldve thought a sysadmin doesn't care too much about GUI stuff

Anyway, I don't want to make this thread super insanely long. I know that there are plenty of things Linux is much better at than Windows, especially when it comes to servers. Installing a webserver like nginx is much, much easier to do on Linux than it is on Windows. It's just one single command! (apt-get install nginx). And Linux is also much, much better in terms of lightweightiness (is that a word? lol) than Windows, my VPS right is now is only using 76 megs of RAM. That's pretty impressive!

>>59845527
I know, I never said Windows is perfect. I just (personally) think it is a lot better in terms of ease of use *at the moment*, but I hope that changes in the future and Linux becomes much simpler to use and operate. I would love to switch to Linux if that goal gets achieved, I can't stand Microsoft's Telemetry bullshit anymore and I'd love to run an OS that's open source and doesn't have spyware in it. Seriously, I would love to use Linux if they just make it simpler to use, more compatible etc., FOSS is great and needs to be supported, I advise everyone reading this to do the same (supporting FOSS projects).

>>59845543
Yeah I agree the "Disabling Device" thing is a bit far-fetched and not something a common user would often do (or at all). I've just based this whole thing on that one picture I posted earlier (see >>59843345), so I just kind of went with it.

>>59841816
Maybe that's because CentOS users have to work for a living and we'd rather not spoon-feed a babby who clearly chose the wrong distro for his needs if he's unable to obtain the required libraries.

>>59845563
>hl2 even get's more fps under wine than it does on windows.
couldnt that just be because on modern windows you'd have to run hl2 in compatibility mode whereas wine basically emulates windows as it was half a decade ago?

i dont know fuck all about technology, just wondering

>>59841908
>doing something in the GUI that takes 3 seconds on CLI
kys

>>59845563
That may be true, however please keep in mind that the sad truth is that most AAA games nowadays are much more optimized towards DirectX by the developers. And yes that is pretty sad indeed, devs should adapt OpenGL more imo, fuck Microsoft's proprietary BS.

>>59845600
all the DEs are extremely low quality, they all look like they are made by 15 year olds. You can rice it to look godlike but who has time for that? And even if you rice it it breaks with the next patch and goog luck maintaining it for 2+ years (and why should I spent so much time maintaining a god damn DE). And theres a bazillion small things in them that just dont work or are clearly not finished / half done. It gets annoying very quickly. And ofc dont care for GUI at work, but home desktop... after all day of staring into terminals I would definitely appreciate a right click -> disable device functionality.

>>59845675
I also agree with that. Much simpler to do than on Windows. Linux also has - as I've said - plenty of advantages over Windows.

>>59845695
ah well, same concerns really.

>>59842051
Do you know how I can tell you don't work in this field?

>>59841816
I like the Gentoo community too. It's really helpful as long as you aren't asking something in RTFM territory. They'll even forgive if you haven't read the whole thing and just are familiar

>use any FOSS
>something bad happens
>try to get help
>um have you read docs
>yes
>um ok well try this
>i tried that
>um ok well ill patch it next release
>ok but how does that help me now
>thread closed pls dont necro a dead thread
?????
???
?"?"???????

>>59845695
I don't see how Cinnamon or MATE look like they were made by 15 year olds. They basically follow the exact paradigm as windows

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>>59842051
How many of those windows server are doing anything more than AD and DNS?

>>59841596
>Using a stable server OS
>Expecting up-to-date libraries
There's your problem.

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>>59841596
>IRC

found the problem

Why would you ever use that shithole when there are much better alternatives such as the board you're on right now?

>>59842222
>Linux is considered unreliable because it's too hard
Not my fault you're a retard that can't do anything but click next, next, install.

>>59845774
kek, FOSS and Linux in a nutshell

>>59845835
I shit you not, that's all you'll see from keepass devs on their forums. Something as important as password keeping and they're like "oops your database was corrupted? thread closed".

Meanwhile if a fucking actual service pulled this shit they'd be sued to oblivion. I just can't trust this shit.

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>>59845284
The "the developers of your DE of choice." are part of the Linux dev community. This is sidestepping the question.

This particular issue with Linux fucking sucks compared to Windows and no amount rationalization on your part will change that.

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>>59841908

>>59845899
Keepsass is free and open source, with the understanding that you manage your own db. If you're using this service and not backing up you db, you're a fucking idiot and they should close your thread.

>>59845087
you're an idiot

>>59842109
Worked in a cloud data center. 100% linux market share was there, but keep baiting

>>59845936
>blaming the user
This is why no one likes 'free and open source' for things that ACTUALLY matter. If there's an actual problem, y'all just start blaming the user. Oh they're too dumb, oh they didn't read docs, excuses out the ass for YEARS. BTW, it was backed up. If two dbs get fucked up in a week, what does that say about the service? Thankfully I wasn't relying on that fucking garbage. Hope your dbs don't get corrupted. :)

>>59842051
>Android overtakes Windows as the predominant operating system connected to the Internet
>Niche
http://www.businessinsider.com/android-overtakes-windows-1-platform-getting-online-statcounter-2017-4

>>59845980
that says your hard drive is failing senpai

>>59842051
http://www.theverge.com/2016/5/19/11711714/chromebooks-outsold-macs-us-idc-figures

>niche

>>59842222
Do you still live in 2001? Even azure laughs at your "arguments"

>>59845695
>You can rice it to look godlike but who has time for that?

It's something you learn in the first few weeks, and then for the rest of your life have no trouble with. No different from when you learned anything else to do with computers.

>>59845998
No it's pretty fine (tested on multiple drives, multiple comps) actually thanks for yet another excuse. Send more, I lub dis FOSS game.

>>59846030
if keepass was really corrupting dbs it would be a widely reported problem that isn't limited to some idiot on 4chan that can into linux

>>59841816
>an asshole who doesn't know the answer to your question but sure can ask you one
The true mark of a pseudo intellectual. Unfortunately the linux community is full of them.

>>59843924
So write a function that runs it as root and add it to the drop down menu of whatever shit you're using. All the source code is there and this is probably trivial to implement.

The linux community is fucking aids, but you really shouldn't be using linux as a home desktop os unless you're contributing to it rather than just being a user. fixing it is literally part of the reason to use it.

The problem with linux is they tried to make it into a daily driver that just workz™ rather than a learning platform and an industrial utility OS.

>>59846110
I've been using linux as a daily desktop os since fedora 14 and have contributed exactly 0 lines of code (although I have filed a few bug reports)

>>59846110
>So write a function that runs it as root

This mentality of "if you want to use Linux you should also be a programmer" is poison.

>>59846137
>writing the word 'sudo'
>being a programmer

>>59846148

sudo rm -rf /*

>>59846211
didn't work, linux is smarter than you

>>59846211
sudo rm --no-preserve-root -rf /

>>59846238
you didn't type it in dumbass, GNU rm only asks if the argument is a bare '/', and what I gave is a '/*' which is expanded by the shell and GNU rm therefore doesn't know it's deleting the operating system.

>>59846244
'/*' is portable to non-GNU rm and '--no-preserve-root' isn't

>>59846129
that's fine im not saying not to use it if you dont contribute, but you have to recognize the innate problems that come with it. the type of problems that will never be fixed. if it annoys you to use it, then just use osx.

the user space is fractured to shit because theres no standards or leadership like at a corporation. but the ideology of open source and the foundation of the os make it good as a industrial utility and learning platform, but not for user experience or whatever. just my opinion.

which isnt a bad things thats just how it is and will probably always be

>>59846285
Good to know.

>>59841596
You compile and install the fucking library, pkgs.org is an option too.

>>59845623
>I just (personally) think it is a lot better in terms of ease of use *at the moment*
for new computer users? probably, i can't really speak for them, since i'm not a new computer user
i personally find linux easier to use, just not for the same reasons as a new computer user
things like package management, the ability to manipulate files that are "open", error messages that are actually useful, the relative ease of recovering from any kind of issue, with minimal impact (very rarely do you have to resort to a complete reboot to fix things), more options and flexibility in pretty much everything, etc

people talk about how it's not "good enough" or "ready" for the desktop, but they're referring to a completely different kind of user, the /average consumer/. linux has never had a focus on that kind of userbase, i'm not against them, but calling linux a failure because it doesn't suit something it never targeted just seems silly to me

ps. yes, i am only talking about "gnu/linux", you can actually get a linux-based OS that IS targeted at the average consumer... android

>>59845980
>it's a I didn't backup my data and im mad about it episode

>>59845980
>help me decrypt a file that you promised me couldn't be decrypted

>>59846148
Typing sudo every time is not the same as having a right click menu with a "run as root" option.

>>59846625
there are so many different ways to fix this problem I can't list them all

if you are using a decent filemanager it should have the ability to execute code snippets in the right-click menu, such as "sudo thunar %s" or even has an extension to do exactly what you want

you can also just edit the sudo pam permissions for your file manager so that it is automatically granted sudo privs when it requests them

or you can just chown whatever folder you are apparently frequently editing

or you can alias a command to open the current folder as root using a hotkey

there's countless ways to address this feature you are after

>>59846625
why don't you just drag the icon into your terminal after having typed sudo? why is this such a point of contention for you?

>>59847491
>drag the icon into the terminal after having typed sudo

fucking disgusting

>>59845623

>And Linux is also much, much better in terms of lightweightiness

Windows Server core and Nano server exist

>>59845012
worked at a fairly major software company within a specific industry (no,not porn, don't get your hopes up).
Most of us got Windows machines which was fine for most of the stuff we did. Server guys usually ran around with linux and we had a bunch of macs because MUH XCODE and appstore shenanigans. Parts of the management preferred Macs as well for no real reason other than to go with the company issued iPhones (they were tech illiterates who had issues connecting to the company wifi, I shit you not).
One day some management dudes and some Apple fans decided that they are the best machines out there because MUH APPS and how nicely it's packaged (managed to walk in on two business unit leaders discussing at length how nicely wrapped the new macbooks are and that too bad we don't do packaged software any more).
They wanted us to use macs as servers and for the backend and basically everything.
Naturally it never happened because it was cost prohibitive, but riled up the linux crew enough that we got a bi-monthly "newsletter" from them bashing OSX and praising Linux. Of course it was aimed at others but for some reason I got included in the mailing list - that's how I found out about it.

Point of the anecdote is that I mostly had linux people tell me that linux is the second coming of christ and everything else is utter shit, and I had iSheep tell me that OSX is the most advanced operating system out there because Apple is financially successful and that's what their website says so it must be true.

>>59848727
what gauge are the power and data wires, respectively?

>>59847607
well if we are going with non-retarded ways to do things use tab-completion to navigate to the file you want in the terminal - probably faster than looking for shit in a file manager

>>59842091
>in the spiceworks network

so yes it is not total market shares

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>>59848752
Sorry I posted that in the wrong thread, meant for it to go on /csg/. I don't have a way to test it myself but other buyers have posted these results in the reviews.

>>59844181
Then pay someone to treat you like a customer and stop whining like a bitch if you don't want to be treated like one.

>>59844501
>/s
GET OUT REDDIT

>>59841702
Your post just belies your lack of understanding of the topic. Linux people aren't helpful because fuck you I've got better things to do.

I could help the guy fix his lib version issue. I wouldn't though.

>can't compile the software he needs
>Gets pissy with the irc chat

>>59848959
what am i looking at here? and what is /csg/?

>>59844343
If you understand what those commands do, then you're fine.

>>59845234
Games can't run slowly if they can't run at all.

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>>59841596
I don't get it, with all the legitimate problems one could point out with Linux, we still get nothing but these shit thread from idiot phoneposters who probably can't even run Windows either.

Why would you go on the internet and broadcast your stupidity like this OP? Are you embarrassed for yourself? You should be.

>>59842069
>information week survey of 200 people
>probably all working at information week and their corporate partners
these kinds of surveys are completely gay just like you

>>59844024
>There's probably a solution out there somewhere... maybe
This is the quality of advice you can expect from Linuxtards.

>>59841596
install gentoo

>>59841596
OP, if that's you in the picture, then you're idiot.

>>59841702
>cp lib2.4 lib2.5
Fucking kek

>>59842258
If you are comfortable at the command line and don't send feedback about your issues, you're at fault even more than the devs. If you have problem and don't communicate it, then fuck you.

>>59854625
In the linux world, your skills are measured by 1) your ability to problem solve and 2) your willingness to seek and interpret advice.
I f you want your solutions handed to you in a clickable manner, then stay with Win$ or use babby distro like *ubuntu.

>>59843004
[spoiler]
spoiled his own spoiler
[/spoiler]

>>59855540
[spoiler]spoiled again[/spoiler]

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>>59854698
gentoo is amazing
clone some random git repo
bump it to 9999
copy ebuild into a local overlay and make minor changes
emerge

done

>>59841702
if the dev who ships your application wants to bundle them with the libs they need they can do that. its called appimage. if they dont and you cant into getting what you need to run stuff on linux you can always just leave for mac or windows

>>59855619
OP's a fucking retard and a phone is what he or she should be using.

>>59844699
Stop projecting your babyduck syndrome on other people.

>>59845992
Sure, let's count router operating systems too.
>retard

>>59852509
Nope.
http://thejh.net/misc/website-terminal-copy-paste

>>59848913
>implying the web server and supercomputer specific figures freetards keep brandishing are total market shares

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>>59841702
This is the exact fucking reason I use Arch Linux
1) pacman -Syu has ALWAYS solved this
2) It only ever happens if I'm compiling from GitHub and haven't updated in ages

Whenever I go near something Debian flavoured, after reading through Panjeets blog post (BECAUSE THERES NO FUCKING DOCUMENTATION) and trying to compile the program from GitHub, my 800 year old unmaintained ""stable""" version of every library is too fucking low to ./configure

Fuck Debian
Arch Strong

>>59841908
There's nothing to change about that.
If you're too dumb to figure out how to run nautilus as root, then you shouldn't be able to touch those files.

In otherwords, Linux permissions are quite retard-proof.

>>5984425
>>59844253
>>>59843345
>If you really think that right part of image is some kind of "mumbo jumbo" for you, then you should stop using, even trying to use linux.
>It's just that you might be too stupid, if you got frustrated with this.
THIS is exactly the kind of reply why people stick to windows.

Learn how to git source and compile, if your distribution doesn't have something you want. I'm not sure what the equivalent of apt-get build-dep is on Yum, but you can Google it. Ask simple questions on /g/ first. This is probably a better place for newbs. If people give you shitty responses, more likely than not, they don't know the answer either otherwise they wouldn't waste their time responding.

>>59856746
Wew, good thing I usually manually type commands in. I do that so I get used to them, the same way I write down notes even when the thing I'm copying from is available online.

>>59857129
Typical arch user right here. Has to have everything explained in detail to him. And even then he cannot figure out who to switch to debian-testing

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Modern Linux just works.

I think you winfags might simply be retarded.

>>59859461
It's also terribly unstable.

Unless you're using 5-year old Linux, it's not going to be production-ready.

Don't believe me, believe Debian - their current kernel version (on Wheezy) is 3.5.

>>59841982
> Ease of use
Are you even trying Pajeet?

>>59842054
What?

If you mv then lib2.4 wont exist anymore and will fuck up the dependencies. cp will make a copy of lib2.4 named lib2.5. That can fool some programs into running with the incorrect library.

The real answer for op is just download the lib and run the program with an ld_preload until shitty distro catches up.

And for the winfags, no different from having to install giant vc or .net redist packages.

>>59859461
>just works.
except GPU drivers and screen tearing.

>>59859969
And file picker thumbnails.

>>59848795
Not retarded way would be right clicking it a choosing to run it as root. Which looks like it's really complicated to implement, since I haven't seen it yet.

>>59860041
???
That is completely wrong.

Dont be an idiot, I think it works with 1 click in KDE, or just dolphin in general.

>>59845922
>developers of a DE
>doesn't develop for the kernel itself
>Not the problem of the operating system itself, but the developers of the DE

Does that make sense, now? Because I wasn't sidestepping the question.

>>59842222
>

It's sad to see a poor nigger trying to belittle something because he is too stupid to do it.

And even worse when someone is just lying blatantly just to make an attempt of an argument.

>>59842222
>muh uptime
You never got hired, have you?
http://www.teamsilverback.com/the-importance-of-uptime-why-it-matters-and-how-to-ensure-it/

If you don't have a decent uptime you don't have a job.

>>59841816
This, fuck IRC and fuck all forum help sites for that matter too.

Literally always some faggot saying, "don't bump graveyard posts" when the question was never resolved or "read the forum guidelines to learn proper forum etiquette"

Or my personal favorite:
>"This is a duplicate question. I'm closing it"
and then he links you to the original post that it's supposedly a duplicate of, and you get there and no one even answered the question, they instead shitposted about bumping graveyard posts or following proper etiquette

Fuck all so-called help forum communities. Literally just self-important faggots that probably can't even answer your questions.

>>59859418
I manage plenty of Debian systems for work, I can get everything I need done, done, but fuck me I'd rather read an arch wiki page than Pajeets blog post/googling applications specific esoteric errors

And fuck reinstalling my entire system with that janky ass piece of shit testing

>>59841596
Well, he's not wrong.

>>59841702
>any app comes bundled with what it needs
Almost like what package managers do in Linux, oh wait that's exactly what they do

Also just build the library yourself. Or if you're a whiny faggot who thinks Linux users are to blame for your own stupidity then go use the windows installer that walks you through everything.

>>59859842
(You)

>>59841702
>On windows I just use whatever library I want with whatever version I want and any app comes bundled with what it needs.
>This program needs (bullshit visual studio library/NET library/programming language libraries) in order to run. Please install those, then come back to the installer.
Yeah, OK.

>>59842258
running the file manage as root is really, and i do mean really easy. Like, as easy as windows. If you need to be root all the time, login as root, then it does just werk.

>>59842390
You're not entitled for an argument, what did you expect? Pay me.

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>>59845623
>Installing a webserver like nginx is much, much easier to do on Linux than it is on Windows. It's just one single command! (apt-get install nginx).

Yeah, I skipped 2 hours of a web development course which consisted of installing wamp. I did it during the first 5 minutes of the following week