/pcbg/: Kaby i5 Suicide Edition. Post your component list; r

Is using only a m.2 Samsung 960 evo for everything viable? Are hdd necessary if money is not a problem? Or is a 2.5 ssd more viable just for gayming?

>>59825081
Everything aside from heavy storage/backup unless you've got some ridiculous level of redundancy, assuming money is no object.

My PC died and I'm building a new one. However I've been out of sync with hardware developmets for 6+ years now, so I'm likely to purchase mismatched components or overspend on stupid shit.

Browsing logicalincrements I've put together that list:
>GPU
GTX1060-6GB - 275€
>CPU
i5 7600K - 270€
>Cooler
NH-U14S - 70€
>Motherboard
GIGABYTE GA-Z270XP-SLI - 160€
>RAM
Crucial CT2K8G4DFD8213 16GB - 110€
>HDD
Seagate BarraCuda 2 TB, ST2000DM006 - 80€
>SSD
Crucial MX300 525GB - 145€
>Power Supply
EVGA 650W SuperNOVA 650 GS Modular - 110€

What I do plan playing on it:
Modded Crusader Kings 2 (modder went overboard with details, needs a good CPU and SSD to not run at a snails pace)
Witcher 3 (doesn't need to be on very high/ultra, although if it's possible to achieve that without too much extra cost, that would be nice)
Rainbow Six Siege
Total War: Warhammer
Various other games games that run on toasters.

I also need a bunch of other stuff (another monitor for dual screen and other peripherals), but those can come later.
Any help would be much appreciated.

(From the last thread)
So, i'm making an Upgrade to my pc. Here's what I'm thinking to buy:

Motherboard: GA-Z170M-D3H DDR4
Processor: Intel Core i5-7600k KabyLake
RAM: HyperX 8GB DDR4 (2400Mhz) // (or maybe 16GB)
GPU: EVGA GTX 970- 4GB RAM (this I already have, so deal with it.)

Mainly for Gaming.

I'm from Brazil, so the prices are something like:
MB: ~U$200,00
PC: ~U$300,00
RAM: 8/16GB ~ U$130/250

Budget: ~U$800

* "GET AN i7 !" *
Well, an i7 in Brazil are over U$450,00, maybe it's not worthwhile.

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S-should I do it?

>>59825129
Shit motherboard, shit RAM, shit GPU and shit processor, but I have the feeling you're just going to say "DURR BRAZIL" to every suggested change so maybe explain specifically what you want advice on.

>>59825156
If it's daddy's money, why not.

Seriously though that's fine if you want to spend that much, but you could definitely save on the motherboard without losing anything. I personally wouldn't get an MSI video card either. Also aren't there better SSDs than the MX300 for that money?

>>59825160
Or maybe you could do a suggestion and we could start this discussion...
But ok, let me be more specific.

My last motherboard died, so anything would be an "upgrade". U$800 is my budget now, if I save a little bit more, I could get U$1000, but i'm spending no more than that...

As I said, I already have the GTX970 and I have no intention to change it for a while.
I pretend to stay in 1080p screen until I change my GPU. (and hope the prices of 4K screens get lower, because is over U$800 right now)

>>59825190
I wish it was.

There aren't that many good mATX desu.
I was thinking of getting this one: https://www.topachat.com/pages/detail2_cat_est_micro_puis_rubrique_est_w_cm_1151_puis_ref_est_in10102805.html
But I'm already spending 2k at this point and I want to be sure the mobo won't fry when I OC.
It's the cheapest 1TB SSD I could find.

>>59825119
that seems good. If you're in doubt just try logicalincrements.com

If anything, you could replace the i5 for a G4560 to save a lot of money, though it would be a bottleneck to the 1060

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Ok I'm a poorfag so I can't really upgrade to a completely new pc, but I want to get a little more out of this $500 hp my dad got me 6 years ago

/g/ told me that since it's an apu upgrading the ram will do some good. On the hp website it says the motherboard supports:
PC3-10600 (DDR3-1333)
PC3-12800 (DDR3-1600)
PC3-14400 (DDR3-1866)
What's the highest I should go? I don't want to spend $100 on the 1866 MHz, but I'll get it if necessary. I'm selling some of my stuff to afford this so I'm trying to be as frugal as possible. If you guys could give any recommendations it would be great. I mainly play csgo and my fps jumps from 50 to 120+ constantly and it would be great if I could make it a little higher and more stable.

Sorry if this post seems silly, but I just need some help.

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>>59825119
>>59825302
Jesus christ did you even see the OP? Am I responding to bait?

>>59825156
I wouldn't go for the nhu9s if you value Temps, get a Scythe Fuma and delid my man. Lower costs, and the Fuma performs similarly to the nhd15. Also I've heard the handles on that bitfenix are a tad floppy. Arctic silver 5 is obsolete, since you are spending this much anyway might as well buck up for some thermal Grizzly kryonaut or some gelid extreme. You could get a mydigitalssd bpx nvme drive to shave a few shekels, and you won't notice the difference between a 1070 and a 1080 unless you are pushing 4k or extreme AA, or very high refresh rates, you could save like 140 eurobux there

Building my first PC soon. I have the parts list all figured out.
I plan to reuse the hdd from an HP I was given recently (less than a year old HDD, 1TB. The HP itself is about 2 to 2 and a half years old.) How would I go about wiping everything from the hdd so I can reuse it?

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Does anyone here have familiarity with what makes a good video editing PC? I'm trying to budget one for $1,100 and this is what I came up with using my very limited knowledge:

https://pcpartpicker.com/list/4VYnFd

Is there anything that you could recommend I do differently or possibly consider an entire new build you could show me? Thank you in advance.

>>59825321
It's not worth spending money on. DDR3 memory will be worthless for gaymers soon. Buy a 480/1060 in the meantime and just put that in the system to play CS:GO, then save and use that in a new system. Of course it will be bottlenecked as fuck but it will still be a huge improvement in games.

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Thinking of upgrading the RAM to 32gb as it gets eaten up while doing heavier editing. Except that I fucking goofed and got 4x4gb modules for this because it was cheaper. Lesson learned.

>>59825352
Just reformat it, without quick format.

>>59825119
get an 8gb rx480 u retard

>>59825366
I tried to buy a 750ti 2 years ago and my motherboard wouldn't support. Like something with the uefi compatibility.

>>59825382
Can I do this after it's installed in the new PC? I was under the impression it had to be done first.

>>59825360
Primarily for video editing? 1700 is a better and (slightly) cheaper choice if you use software that can properly utilize the extra cores (I know After Effects will).

so are any of the ryzen 5 chips worth getting if you are on a budget of $850?

Should i change my 6600k for a r7 1700?

My goal is BF1/CS:Go and video editing, i have a RX 480 4GB.

>>59825407
You can format it during Windows setup or download a bootable disk manager application or use a Linux live disk.

>>59825448
If you're on a budget then you'd have to be retarded not to go with an AMD processor and video card.

>>59825454
100% senpai.

>>59825454
Yes, go with a 1700. OP is an Intel shill trying to steer people towards Intel processors with no solid evidence for his convictions.

>>59825448
For general gaming at that price, yeah. For single core stuff just get a Pentium.

>>59825484
Seems to just have some bias against AMD, since they removed the Fury and 480 from the suggested graphics cards without even editing the note about the 1060 to make sense.

>>59825462
Alright, so I don't need to reformat it until it's in the new PC. Got it.
Now. I was contemplating installing ubuntu first just to get things rolling, and later on add windows. I could reformat it during the ubuntu installation, and it would work with windows later, right?

>>59825360
>https://pcpartpicker.com/list/4VYnFd
That's a gamer only machine. Ryzen is nearly 2x as good for video as what you just built for the same price.

>>59825491
>>59825473
alright thanks. i guess il wait for the benchmarks when they come out over the course of this month. though i get a feeling that the ryzen 5 will do fine

>>59825386
You're basically just fucked. Like the other guy said, it's not worth investing any more into that PC. There is no guarantee faster DDR3 will even help much. You are completely CPU and GPU bottlenecked (in different situations) even in a game like CS:GO. Time to move on.

>>59825454
It'll be an upgrade in anything highly threaded like BF1 multiplayer and video editing. Sucks that you fell for the i5 meme last year though.

>>59825556
well it's going to be a couple years before I can. Thanks for the insight though!

>>59825454
Don't listen to the retards here or in other forums.

Inform yourself, and then if you have an IQ over 100, you will choose to wait for Zen+ and don't jump on this early adopter shit.

>gpu
r9 290x

>motherboard
Msi z-87 gd65

>cpu
Dual core i5 4570t

>ram
16gb 2133 free

I'm pretty sure my CPU is what's bottlenecking me. My question is do I absolutely have to upgrade the motherboard and the ram just if I want a new CPU?

>>59825512
Reformatting will wipe everything. Install Ubuntu won't make any difference if you format it after, as long as you format it in NTFS for Windows which can be done in the Windows setup as I said. If you install Windows over the top of Ubuntu, it will probably kek the bootloader and you'll need to tinker to get back to your Ubuntu install.

>>59825574
So windows first, than ubuntu. alright. Thanks for the help.

>>59825567
>dual core i5 with hyperthreading
The fuck. I didn't even know that existed outside of something like a laptop. Anyway, yeah that's probably your bottleneck, but it's hard to say for certain without knowing what you're doing.

>>59825563
Get a job.

>>59825567
You are correct. You can use your existing parts if you buy a 1150 CPU from wherever you can find one.

I got my rebate card in the mail. Is getting a smaller SSD just for the OS advised? We're talking like 60GB

>>59825603
I live 80 miles from the closest town. The only thing I have is an internet connection

>>59825156
why not get ryzen? are you going to be using your pc mainly for gaming?

What I have:
GPU: GTX 970 4GB
PS : Corsair 600W
Screen : 1080p 144hz


What I want:
Motherboard: ???
Processor: ???
RAM: ???

I have U$800 Budget (1000 if I save few more months). MAINLY FOR GAMING.
What do you recommend for those 3 components?

>>59825585
Remember to “Install Ubuntu alongside Windows Boot Manager” during setup. You may have to change boot priority to avoid going straight to the Windows boot manager.

>>59825609
Only if you GOTTA BOOT FAST.>

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>>59825631
>GTX 970 4GB
No you don't.

out of curiosity what are the chances that my graphics card is fucked

>>59825654
oooh I do =(

>>59825631
>GTX 970 3.5 GB
I know you're the BR from the last thread. Alright now that that's out of the way, is Ryzen an option in Brazil? If not, you might be looking at 7600k/z270 as your only option since I think you said you couldn't afford an i7. You will be able to hit 144 fps in basic games like cs:go with an i5 but not something like a AAA game or BF1. Not sure what's important to you.

>>59825631
That video card won't do much new stuff at close to 144 with high settings. You also have a decent budget to say you've already got a PSU. Personally i'd sell the 970, save more and get a 1070.

>>59825659
Pretty good.

>>59825646
Will it speed the system up any or is it just a meme?

I could save for a 250GB if it'll improve vidya performance

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>>59825674

>>59825676
Yup, I actually can't afford an i7 right now. But maybe I could save and get one later... But as I said, an i7 its something like U$450++ ...
Do you think would worth it? Which i7 could be a good option?

>>59825697
An SSD won't give you moar frames ever. If you install Windows on it, you'll get much, much faster boot times and applications on it will load faster. Unless you're buying a new setup without a HDD or have a specific need for speed, it's not really worthwhile.

should i get that g.skill flarex 2400mhz or some other 3200mhz memory for b350 platfrom?

>>59825746
Trident Z RGB so you can show your pride

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Hello /g/,

how is this build looking for my own gaming station?

I am not so good with PCs but my friend said this will be a beast of gaming.

What do you think?

>>59825726
It would run open world games better since they are constantly loading and unloading assets.

>>59825626
No, well yes, kind of.
I wanted to go with Ryzen but the multithreaded performance isn't that good and I can't find x370 mATX mobos for it.

>>59825683
Yeah, I thought about that....but I think I`ll keep it for a while .... I`m just buying the another stuff because my last motherboard died.
So I pretend to make a "decent upgrade" on MB, RAM and Processor by now and maybe, in the future, a new GPU (and probably a 4k screen...)

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>>59825755
1/10 for getting a (You).

>>59825762
Games are normally smart enough to prefetch enough so you won't get stutter until some assets are loaded.

question. What advantage does Ubuntu have over windows? I see the argument all the time. I know Ubunto has less support and less programs that will work

>>59825786
Not being a botnet, actually being usable, stability, performance.
If you don't need any Windows specific programs, it will be a much more pleasant experience once you get used to it.
This goes for any Linux distro, not just Ubuntu.

>>59825786
Much too complex a question. Pretty much any Linux based OS is superior to Windows for general usage in countless areas and you'd be better protected from CIA niggers.

>>59825321
If you're trying to upgrade for gayman then the biggest upgrade is going to be a better video card, but the CPU is also going to hold you back in many games and is going to be limiting in games like CSGO that love high performance single-dual core.

For games getting an actual video card will give you many times better performance than trying to stick with the APU and get faster ram. Since your PSU is invariably shit, you should look for something that doesn't require external power.

If you really want to upgrade, consider getting a RX460 2GB which can work just on PCI-E (which I am assuming your motherboard has), but depending on your outlook in the next year or so you might be better off just saving for a new system.

>>59825843
Get out of the thread, Terry.

>>59825848
Please don't buy a 460 if you have limited money. Pretty much worthless card price/performance wise and you will not be able to regain money reselling.

>>59825752
not a homo so no thanks

https://au.pcpartpicker.com/list/zMNppb

Thoughts?

>>59823495
What does the nVidia GPU help with for neural networks?

>>59825726
>Unless you're buying a new setup without a HDD or have a specific need for speed, it's not really worthwhile.
Looking over my build. I already have a 1TB HDD and was going to use a 120GB SSD as the boot drive but this gave me pause

Is the SSD really worth it or should I just replace it with another 1TB drive for the same price? budget is important to me. It's one or the other.

>>59826016
Kinda goofy case in my personal opinion but other than that should be solid for 1080p gayming. Any reason you picked a blower style 1060, other than price? It'll work fine, just could be a touch louder than open fans, but the 1060 is a pretty cool card so it may never be an issue. The Corsair CX power supplies are "just alright" quality. 500W is plenty for that system but if you can upgrade in quality a bit, do it.

>>59824999
>co.cn
>cn

>>59826067
Don't skip on the SSD. It makes a huge difference in the overall user experience to have at least your OS running on an SSD even if it's a cheap, basic one.

>>59826084
would would be a better quality power supply then?

Hey guys, there has been a question that has been plaguing me since Ryzen 5 series has been announce and that is - why are people more excited about R5 1400 than R5 1500X ?
Help me understand cause it makes no sense to me, for 20 dollars you get DOUBLE the memory cache, a 300/300mhz boost out of the box, a better cooler - Wraith Spire (95W) as opposed to Wraith Stealth (65W) and the X factor (binning) which coupled with the better cooler should get you an easy 3.8ghz Overclock out of the box with safe temperatures even if you don't want to get into overclocking (4 cores = less heat).
The hole R5 series is a conundrum to me, given the pricing and the R5 1600, but really I can understand someone not being able to invest another 50 dollars in their system (given the whole RAM-Infinity Fabric business), but not spending an additional 20 bucks feels like a waste. 12% price increase for a lot of benefits. Waiting for R3 makes more sense if you want a budget build than a R5 1400.
Please tell me if I'm right or wrong, and if I'm wrong, why so ?

Is there any point picking 3000MHz DDR4 RAM on Kaby Lake?

>>59826109
alright. Thanks. I feel better about my build now.
Someone in the previous thread helped me select parts for my budget, mainly the motherboard, graphics card, and optical drive.
https://pcpartpicker.com/list/63xgHN
I know this fits my budget, but how would this be reliability-wise? I tried to pick parts with high ratings and reviews. And no, I'm not changing the case.

>>59826124
Seasonic M12II 520W

>>59826160
Yeah, faster is better, in general. It's not a world of difference but Kaby Lake does respond to RAM speed in some situations. Up to you to decide if it's worth the cost.

>>59826160
dont fall for 3000mhz meme.unless if you can afford it

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>>59826160
Nah, just get 2133MHz stuff. Literally everybody knows that RAM speed doesn't affect gaming at all.

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>>59825534
It appears that the ryzen isn't compatible with that build. You mind whipping something up for me?

Should I get 8gb 4000 Mhz or 16gb 3200 Mhz RAM? they're both the same price

>>59825156
Idk what Euro countries this is but in Germany if you look around a bit you can find 1080s for 500-550€ even non-shit brands like evga or gigabyte. 620 seems a bit over the top

>>59826234
That's like the most extreme example, but yeah, it should be a given to get the fastest you can reasonably afford if you're interested in gaming.

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>>59826280
Actually here is what I made. Can anyone tell me if there is anything better I can do with any of the parts and keep it same price or cheaper? (Again this is for video editing)


https://pcpartpicker.com/list/sjdqgL

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best b350 board?

>>59826234
>this scenario is an exaggeration as the GPU is a major limiting factor in performance and by using a Titan X at a low resolution, we have removed that bottleneck
hmm really makes you think

>>59826174
Pretty solid for a budget system for basic gayming. You sure you need the blu-ray though? The case is... well, it has nice reviews!

I need a back-up server after my last back-up solution failed (never trust WD Cloud/NAS shitboxes). I prefer to build my own, but I don't know which software to get. Any help?

>>59826452
honestly i would wait a month after ryzen releases

>>59826490
>heh just wait bro
NO

>>59826467
Yes I need the blu-ray. But thanks. I feel better about the build now.

I was thinking about getting the ryzen 5 when it comes out tomorrow, but will I really utilize everything it has to offer if I'm just gonna be gaymen?
should I just get some sort of i7 instead?

>>59826450
I'd swap out the 1700x for a 1700. The H7 is a nice cooler for the price but you could maybe get by with the stock cooler depending on how hard you want to overclock. They're actually not too bad it seems. Also, make sure that RAM jives well with Ryzen motherboards.

For i7-7700K (not going to OC) is 212 EVO sufficient?

>>59826546
why K if no OC

these Intel 512GB 600p series M.2 SSD any good? or full of jew backdoors?

>>59826555
Because I got it as a gift.

>>59826504
Then your guess is as good as anyone's as to which b350 is the best. Takes a while for user reviews to get out and those are the most reliable way to judge motherboard reliability.

>>59826546
Yeah, but why bother with that CPU if you aren't going to OC?

>>59826524
Ryzen 5 6c/12t make a lot of sense for gaymen, especially if you plan on owning for a while and like to play at reasonably high resolution/high graphic settings.

>>59826563
Well, just overclock it senpai.

>>59826570
I don't wanna invest in expensive H2O Cooling system.

Confused. You can OC ANY ddr4 memory to 3000+ Mhz? even if it says 2400mhz or something lower? 3200Mhz memory is actually 2400Mhz memory underclocked?

>>59826580
You can overclock on the 212 Evo to like 4.3ghz at least...

>>59826570
>Then your guess is as good as anyone's as to which b350 is the best. Takes a while for user reviews to get out and those are the most reliable way to judge motherboard reliability.
wut, are there new mobos coming out specifically for ryzen 5?
won't ones that work for the r7 work the same like
https://pcpartpicker.com/product/Y4kwrH/msi-b350-tomahawk-atx-am4-motherboard-b350-tomahawk

?

>>59826611
Would there be any benefit of buying Noctua?

>>59826629
No just get some cheap air-cooler like the 212 Evo and overclock on that. I have some phanteks one that was like $70 and it's nice, but probably was a waste if money when I can get the 4.5ghz oc I have on a much cheaper cooler

>>59826535
Why go with the 1700 over the 1700x? And it says that the ram is compatible so I'm assuming it has no problems. Also: what do you mean by "stock cooler"

>>59826629
>>59826580
Okay I just looked and a 7700k can get like 4.7-4.8 GHz with the 212. If you wanted a 5ghz OC then it would make sense to get the noctua or some prebuilt water cooler, but if you have a budget I would say the 212 is enough, you're still going to get better performance than every other CPU on the market

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Should I be getting AMD compatible ram?

>>59826580
Yeah you can get a modest overclock on air with the 212 Evo on a 7700k. Might as well take advantage of whatever it can give you.

>>59826628
Yeah of course any AM4 mobo will work. That one has a decent number of reviews but not a ton, at least on newegg. Either way it's a brand new chipset. What looks like the best b350 mobo today may change in a month or two after more news comes out.

>>59826629
Do you already own the Evo or not? If you're not even sure you want to overclock then no, a Noctua isn't worth it. For running at stock speeds or a modest OC? The Evo will be great.

>>59826670
The 1700 and 1700x are basically identical but the 1700 is clocked a bit slower. It can hit 1700x speeds without breaking a sweat. The 1700x chips may be able to be pushed 1-200 MHz higher for a maximum overclock but in my opinion that 100-200 MHz isn't worth the price premium when you can just punch a few keys in your BIOS and turn the 1700 into a 1700x right out of the box. XFR hasn't really outed itself as anything more than a marketing bullet point in reality, at least as far as I know.

The stock cooler is the heatsink/fan combo that comes with the CPU in the box. The Ryzen ones are actually not too shabby.

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>>59824999

PC Gamer Thirld word edition.

>i5 3330
>12 GB 1333Mhz (4gb markvision and 8gb kingston)
>h61h2-mv ECS
>R9 270X Asus DirectCUII
>Seasonic 620w 80plus
>1TB Toshiba

I use it for: CS:GO, ArmA 3, coding and corel draw, maybe unity or real engine next year.

What would you change first /g/ ?
my budget is limited so baby steps.

I consider changing first mobo, ram and cpu to:

i7 7700
B150 motherboard
8GB x1 (So next month i can put another and make 8GBx2)

I guess in november or december add a nice m2 ssd and next year change my gpu.

Best gaming monitor for under 120$?

wait so, CPU related RAM MHz limits are fuckall important, but the motherboard limits are a whole level of important, right?

>>59826691
>>59826648
I see. That would make sense. What about
>SilentiumPC Grandis 2 XE1436
It costs the same as 212 EVO but looks more massive.

>>59826773
What size are we talking senpai?

>>59826815
4:3 800×600

>>59826844
Based. I'm sure there's a pretty sharp 21" Dell CRT you can snag for free out there somewhere.

>>59826757
Sounds reasonable.

>>59826814
Can't find a lot of reviews on it but it looks like it'd be a nice cooler. Might want to make sure it won't interfere with the RAM though as it's going to hang over it a bit.

>>59826793
The stated motherboard limits are usually the limiting factor, yes.

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>>59824999

>>59826815
1080p 21-25 inch.

>>59826904
>>59826814
Probably last question.
In my old rig I already own HyperCooler 212 PLUS back from 2010 or 2011.
1) Is it any different from 212 EVO?
2) Is it any different from the current 212 PLUS? (The package of my old one doesn't list 1151, but the cooler master page does list it)

I can use high speed RAM and overclock it with a a non k i7 7700 ?

>>59825119

Why get a i5 7600k witha 70€ cooler instead of an i7 stock cooler? u know even a 7700 is better than a 5ghz 7600k right?

>>59827001
Isn't more GHz better?

so i have an , i3 4170 as a processor right now and want to upgrade to an i5, is it worth just to go for another haswell i5? or do i buy i5 7400? i dont really much do anything else , only photoshop and some vidya

https://pcpartpicker.com/list/kFBvcc

Is it stupid to get something like this with that storage setup?
I'm envisioning it like tiered usage things. OS + most critical programs on the 960 Evo, current installed games on the 2.5" MX300, and then movies, music, photos, older games, and other less demanding/more storage things on the WD.
Or should I just skip the SATA SSD and put the money towards a 500GB 960?
Also should I get a different mobo?

>>59826738
So you don't think over clocking a 1700 will require a CPU cooler?

>>59824999
>>Ryzen 7 is the only good part of Ryzen. Anything is a horrible attempt to compete with Pentium/i3/i5.
So no ryzen 1500? What do for a budget build then? I currently have a 7 year old pc with a i3 530 and I'd like to have a new pc that will hold out for the next 7 years or so.

Some gaming (starcraft, diablo or heroes of the storm), programming and browsing. Budget will be around 500-600 euros, Probably 700 including the 500 gig ssd.

>>59827027

Ghz are a meme

>>59827157
So how do I buy CPUs then? I buy the most sold one?

Give me a sexy AM4 mobo with a bunch of lights and shiny shit so I can look like a glowing homo when I watch my anime

>>59827181
ASROCK XMAS F46-G07

>>59827203
Give me one that exists

>>59827179

Benchmarks

>>59825129
Wait to see results from ryzen 5, r5 1600 is the same price as the 7600k right now on Kabum and probably will be cheaper on Pichau, the GA-AB350M-GAMING motherboard is around the same price as the one you suggested too. As for the ram, 8GB is fine if it's just for games but if you go with ryzen try to get the fastest that you can (2666 are not that expensive right now), but 2400 will be fine too.

>>59827001
> know even a 7700 is better than a 5ghz 7600k right?
Gonna have to see some benchmarks there, chief. Inb4 fucking video rendering or something when the poster is clearly a gamer.

Now's the time to recommend a Ryzen so he can sacrifice a metric shitload of performance on games he could be playing right now in the desperate hope that games become more heavily threaded at some point off in the future. Despite clocked 7600K's beating the entire Ryzen lineup in those too for the moment.

Come on, senpai. Give me a "M-m-muh 0.1% lows!" You can do it.

>spend $700
>get 2-day shipping
>delivered in 5 days

Goodbye, newegg. Goodbye, Fedex.

As a fairly casual user who just wants some SSD storage for video games can I go wrong with a crucial mx300 SSD?

>>59827030
I wouldn't move from what you have unless you change platforms or can find a cheap xeon 1231v3 or what have you. I used an i3 4170 too for a while, paired with a gtx 950, I loved it. I3 should have all the serial performance you can get from haswell Barring a high Overclock on a K part. The purpose of you getting an i5 is you want more cores since your single core is high enough, so I would suggest waiting a short while longer and grabbing an R5 1500x or 1600, similar or better single threaded, and way more threads

>>59826954
VX228H or K242HQL. If you can spend a little bit more you can get an IPS panel if that's important to you.

>>59826983
The Hyper 212 Plus is a little bit less effective than the 212 Evo but not a huge difference at all. As an upgrade from the coolers intel usually supplies with its CPUs it's still a big step up. Don't expect crazy overclocks but I think it's up to the task if you're going to be using it at stock speeds or light OC. It should fit LGA 1151 since the socket is physically the same size as 1150, so should be no problem there. And no, I think it's the same exact 212 plus they are still selling today.

>>59826004
But seriously any C14 3200MHz G.Skill should be samsung-b dies, and therefore should work

>R5 1500x or 1600
>similar or better single threaded performance vs an i5
Lower IPC, lower clocks = better single thread performance? Unless they've some how rewritten everything we know about the architecture or changed the laws of physics that's a heaping load of bollocks you're talking. There's an argument to be made for going with an R5 but that's not it.

>>59824999
Can we get the usual 212 Evo replacements listed/linked in OP please? Because I sure am sick and tired of seeing people swallowing that meme. There are enough coolers in the same price bracket that are better than it in every conceivable way that nobody should be buying it unless they find themselves with no other choice.

>>59827281
Lol this is a good post, I like the extreme amounts of misplaced venom. High clocked Kaby Lake has its place, for folks with 144hz displays and the like. For almost anybody else, game wise, you will never see 59 fps if you have a GPU balanced with a top end Kaby Lake or Ryzen. I never understood this faggotry, you aren't giving up performance in current games, zen plays them within percents of a mature platform with further room for improvement, and way more room to do other things with all those threads you WOULDN'T have with a similar price Intel.

>>59827134
ignore the memer OP, post is littered with reddit tier shit advice

the R3 and R5 are a bit disappointing because they're just R7 parts with cores disabled but in vidya they should perform in line with similarly priced Intel products, with the usual single-vs-multi tradeoffs

>>59827415
You made an objective statement, mate. I'm waiting on those benchmarks that show the 7700 outperforming a clocked 7600K in ANYTHING the poster you're lecturing would care about. I'll even lower tha bar for you. Make it a stock 7600K...

>>59827281
>sacrifice a metric shitload of performance on games
oh no I might get 180 fps at 1080p instead of 190

>>59827294
actually i have decided, ill just upgrade my mother board to a b85 for a usb 3 for front panel and better audio drivers (maybe) , also for the quad channel ram upgrade to 4x4gb which is cheaper here, and throw in a sdd and hdd,

ill upgrade just upgrade my cpu in december or feb next year , im actually happy about my 4170, i just want to waste money but ill try to do it that way

i have some kind of anxiety for spending money, but i think ive finally convinced myself to spend around 1850$ on a new pc and monitor

im just so fucking tired of running a dell xps from 2007 only being capable of playing cs 1.6, but im still not sure

how are you guys able to spend so much money on technology thats obsolete in a matter of months?

>>59827445
I was just curious. I'll wait until summer anyways since the prices might be better by then.

>>59827513
it's not "obsolete in a matter of months".

the problem with PC gaming is that devs will litter their engines with computationally expensive shit that doesn't really improve image quality but drastically fucks with framerates. if you can get over that gut feeling of not being able to super-duper-turbo-max every single game on the market, your hardware will be relevant for half a decade.

with that budget (assuming USD) you're going to have a monster rig. that's i7 or R7 + 1080 Ti territory. we're talking 4k@60fps capability here.

>>59827513

>how are you guys able to spend so much money on technology thats obsolete in a matter of months?

Very rarely is something truly obsolete so quickly. Not topping charts doesn't mean your hardware is useless. I bought a 290x in 2013 for example and now years later its still doing really well at 1080p even if it has been outclassed by newer chips.

For what its worth most people operate on a 3-4 year upgrade cycle (even longer for monitors).

Should I go with 6c/12t or 8c/16t? I'm going with the AMD meme for my first build and I want to build it to last.

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>>59827585
>For what its worth most people operate on a 3-4 year upgrade cycle

>>59827664
Also is there any basis for "you need good RAM for an R7" meme? I keep reading things both ways.

>>59827664

How deep are your pockets? The 6c models don't overclock any better so at face value the 8c chips are flatout superior.

>>59827667

Quaint, but it doesn't change reality.

>>59825321
if your framerate is constantly lurching between 50-120 it might be that your cpu is hitting thermal limits, and is slowing itself down to save itself, and then once it cools, going back to full speed.

Your temperature says 68 degrees here, unless you're doing things in the background when you took that screenshot, thats very high

If Pc Part picker displays 296 as the estimated wattage, is a 550 watt PSU enough?

>>59827702
I can go for about a $900-$1000 build overall. Decided on an RX 480 so should I go with the 1700 or 1700x? Seeing 3.0 Ghz kind makes me lol but I guess that's how it is.

>>59827664
If the difference of $120 between the 1600 and 1700 feels like nothing to you, get the latter. You'll have an extra 2 cores and 4 threads at your disposal. For some, that is very valuable.

>>59827697

The infinity fabric is tied to ram speed (in fact a lot of ryzen is tied to different internal clocks which while technically interesting does make a lot of old overclock techniques unviable) and faster ram means more bandwidth for the infinity fabric.

>>59827730

They all cap out at around 4ghz (remember zen can go up in 25mhz increments) and with some Pstate overclocking 3ghz base is meaningless.

>>59827730
Go for the 1700. Great stock cooler and it can easily be overclocked to 3.7 Ghz without breaking a sweat. And you could always go higher.

>>59827730
What do you intend to do with the system?.

>>59827726

Yes - if its a good psu that can actually deliver 550w.

http://www.jonnyguru.com/

Now here is a fine example of why you don't cheap out on a psu.

http://www.jonnyguru.com/modules.php?name=NDReviews&op=Story&reid=379

>>59827134
Just put off upgrading for a little bit longer so you can save up for some non-meme hardware.

>>59827775
>>59827776
I've never overclocked before which is why I'm just looking at stock values. So you're saying the stock cooler on the 1700 lets me get up to 3.7GHz itself? Isn't that to the detriment of the lifetime of the CPU? Maybe I can do a more modest OC in the 3.3-3.5 range?

>>59827788
A little bit of gaming, a lot of programming, 3d modeling and rendering, and some home entertainment.

>>59827098
The stock cooler (the one that literally comes in the box with the 1700) is capable of modest overclocking since it's still rated to 95 W while the chip is only 65 W. You need to use some kind of cooler, but that one can work just fine unless you are trying to make the push to 3.9 or 4.0 GHz.

>>59827281
>defending i5's in the current year
They're already choking dicks on some games released during the last year like BF1's multiplayer and several other AAA games. Maybe if you like to do a mix of gaming and need strong single threaded performance for something like PCSX2 and you're on a strict budget then they can make some sense.

Having said all that, they aren't bad chips, especially if you need the single threaded performance, but do they make a lot of sense when to push them to their max OC you also have to invest in some after-market cooling that can set you back a bit? That's where I'm not so sure they are good buys anymore when a stock i7 (or Ryzen) can give you "good enough" single threaded performance in the vast majority of games while also giving you thread headroom.

My point is unlocked i5's are becoming more niche buys than just a given as a recommendation for a gaming build.

>>59827292
No, that's a fine SSD but you should really put your OS on it too.

>>59827468
Just check out DigitalFoundry's youtube video, they did a direct comparison to the 7700k. The frametimes are telling and their benchmark doesn't even include something like BF1 multiplayer.

>>59827851

>So you're saying the stock cooler on the 1700 lets me get up to 3.7GHz itself?

Depoending on how much voltage the particular chip wants, yeah - the wraith spire could handle it (its quite a chunky stock cooler).

>Isn't that to the detriment of the lifetime of the CPU?

Yes in the same way the earth is doomed because the sun will eventually engulf it. Timescale wise unless yo uare pumping obscene voltage and/or are keeping your cpu right at the throttle point 24/7 overclocking tends not to make much of a practical difference in cpu lifespan. Keep it cool.

>Maybe I can do a more modest OC in the 3.3-3.5 range?

You could hit that on stock volts most likely.

>>59827903
Okay. So what am I losing out on with the 1700x? I think it self-manages its own clock speed or something funky like that? Not worth the extra $$ for whatever it offers?

And lastly I need a good AM4 motherboard. I was originally thinking I was oging to go with an i7 so I had liked the Asus z270e (https://www.asus.com/us/Motherboards/ROG-STRIX-Z270E-GAMING/) because it looks like a beast. None of these AM4 boards are really stunning and the ASUS ones apparently have shit support.

>>59827851
As long as you keep the voltage reasonable and the temps relatively low, the difference in life span is extremely tiny. There is a reason many of us are flocking towards the 1700: we know that they will last a very long time and we even get free extra performance to boot. It's an easy decision to make.

And if you aren't confident in your overclocking skills, there are many tutorials that can be found just by going on YouTube or finding an article.

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Would a KFA2 GTX 1080 HOF fit in a Prodigy M?
The thing is fucking huge.

>>59827953

>So what am I losing out on with the 1700x?

A couple hundred mhz base clocks and 50mhz XFR on xfr supporting boards. That is literally it.

It is why the 1700 is THE chip to get from the R7 lineup unless you really want to get over 4ghz (thats what the 1800x is for).

>ASUS ones apparently have shit support.

No better or worse than anyone else at this point in time.

The top 3 AM4 x370 boards are the taichi, crosshair hero and fatil1ty. I'm not as well informed for the other tiers of motherboard (B350 and A350).

>>59827953
The only thing you're truly gaining from the R7 1700x is an ever-so-slightly higher boost clock and slightly better power efficiency. Also, in regard to XFR (Automatic Overclocking), the R7 1700 does it too. You will save more money and have R7 1700 that can easily be overclocked to near R7 1800x speeds.

$330 1700 can equal $500 1800x.

>>59824999
>i5 aren't worthwhile. No exceptions. Drop down to G4560 or up to i7
>Currently worthwhile GFX cards:
>1060GB, 1070, 1080, 1080TI
>Ryzen 7 is the only good part of Ryzen. Anything is a horrible attempt to compete with Pentium/i3/i5.

This is the most retarded OP thus far

>>59828001
>heatsink takes up three slots

who the fuck thought that was a good idea?

>>59828047

Anyone who is trying to air cool a 250w+ chip.

>>59828046
Not really. I'm not OP but see my post >>59827888 for why i5s are meme buys right now.

>>59828060
yeah at that point just give the fuck up and go wc.

>>59828040
>>59828032
Alright. I'm locking in the 1700, then.

I'm just not sure one what RAM + Mobo to get at this point. The Asus Crosshair is nice but really expensive. The Asus PRIME x370 Pro is good and has a decent price but lacks things like the ritzy I/O shield and built-in wifi (something I could actually use).

>>59828001
A quick google search says that it might be able to fit, but it will be extremely tight and you might have to do some modifications in the end.

>>59828087

No.

If MSI can create a quiet cooler to handle their obscenely volted (and clocked) 390x as well as keeping said gpu below 80c at full throttle i'm sure many others could do such a thing.

>>59828103

Get one of those AM4 rated kits if you want the fastest ram right now rather than waiting on BIOS updates to bring other fast kits upto their rated speed.

http://www.guru3d.com/news-story/g-skill-launchs-flare-x-series-and-ryzen-optimized-fortis-series-ddr4.html

>>59828082
It's retarded to claim that there's no middle ground between the G4560 and i7, especially if you do more things than vidya gaems. Nobody should buy a dual core desktop CPU in 2017 unless you literally only care about video games and have an extremely tight budget, but even then it's better to just wait for Ryzen 3. The i5 7500 is still one of the best bang for the buck CPUs on the market but Ryzen 5 will most likely beat it in non-gaming applications.

>>59828144

>locked cpu

Nyet - given how much lower the price of entry is for overclocking in ryzen you can get a lot more life out of a ryzen chip than the 7500.

>>59828103
Are there any specific features you want with the X370 boards? You can easily just use a B350 board and save $50 to over $100 if you just wanted to get a nice overclock. But since you initially didn't have overclocking in mind, I'm assuming you want something specific?

Also, you don't have to get the crazily overpriced Flare X ram. You could get any other ram (perhaps 3000 C15 or 3200 C16) for much cheaper and wait for AMD's ram updates in May.

>>59828168
>a lot more life
Who cares, people are still running Sandy Bridge and Ivy Bridge CPUs, a CPU you buy today will last you 5 years at the least.

how bad is the h110 chipset?

>>59828253
I know it sounds dumb as shit but I just want my mobo + graphics card to glow. Asus has the Aura Sync thing that syncs it all up. Feels "clean"

>>59825770
>ryzen
>bad multithreaded performance
that's literally its only merit

and i get paid to shill for intel
but i had to break character just to correct your stupidity.

>>59828144
I might agree with you if the G4560 didn't offer respectable 2c/4t performance at an insane price, but there it is, fucking everyone's world up in the $60-$240 price range. It's really hard to justify $200 locked i5's or unlocked $240 i5's+aftermarket cooling costs when the G4560 exists at the budget end, locked i7's are performing like they are at the high end, and with Ryzen 5 on the cusp of release.

>>59828347
Bro, the i5 meme is dead for gaming. It had a good run since 2011/2012 or so but we're in the era of 8 threads now and we have been for the past year.

>>59828253

This is my >>59828406 build I'm planning on. I want to make something that's going to last me for a while and provide good multitasking for the years to come.

>>59828487
>forgetting the link

https://pcpartpicker.com/list/FjJksJ

>>59828422
Who are you quoting?

>>59828457
A 2 core CPU will kick you in the nuts the second you want to multitask or do any productivity work. It only made the i3's obsolete, not the i5.

>>59828473
Read the conversation, I'm not talking about gaming performance only.

>>59828406
I get ya man. It doesn't hurt to want some bling every now and then. Just be aware that some of the B350 mobos can glow too (not sure if comparable to the Asus Sync thing though). Other than that, you're golden.

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Currently thinking about this build. Prices were edited to reflect what I could get as a deal, and the total is €586.45.
I'm mainly worried about the g4560 bottlenecking the 480. How bad would it be?
However, the reason I'm reluctant about this is the OS. I'd prefer not having any Win7 bluescreens, so I'd have to do a dual boot between Win10 (games) and a linux distro (the rest), none of which I have experience with.
Since dual booting is more practical with an SSD, should I ditch the XFX RX 480 GTR for an ASUS RX 480 Dual OC and a 128GB SSD?
The final option would be to switch CPU for an i3 6100 and downgrading the GPU to the cheaper RX 480, and keeping Win7 which I'm a lot more comfortable with.

wtf Why is there no noticeable difference
Why even bother making kaby lake?

>>59828516

>How bad would it be?

Don't do it.

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rate my cheap build please
https://de.pcpartpicker.com/list/Mdx9pb

>>59828516
The RX470 is a better combination with the G4560 than the 480, but you're going to have to make the move to i5 before you see any noticeable improvement in performance. Ryzen 5 is released tomorrow, just wait for that and see what the performance is like.

>>59828501
Hey that's a pretty reasonable build. I didn't realize how cheap that X370 mobo would be. The only thing I would suggest doing is waiting for the RX 500 cards; they will be cheaper(or as cheap) than the RX 400 series while being stronger. They're going to appear relatively soon.

>>59824999
I've got the following:
>i7 2600k @4.5Ghz
>GTX 980 Non-Ti
>16GB RAM
>Noctua D14
>750W Corsair PSU
>120GB OS SSD plus a few HDDs
>DVD-RW drive.

Now I've had this system for a really long time now. It's a great 1080p system.

Looking at the prices of CPUs I'm looking at either the 7700k i7 or the Ryzen 1700.
As far as GPU is concerned, I'm looking at the GTX 1070.

As far as monitor is concerned, I'm not totally sure what I want to get just yet. Suggestions are welcomed.

Finally, my system runs everything that I want at 1080p. I haven't seen a 4K monitor or 4K gaming so I don't really know whether the change is enough to warrant an upgrade. What are your thoughts?

>>59828602
imo
>get a smaller ssd, use the saved money to:
>get more ram or faster ram (or both)
>get a 8gb rx 480
>get a 1tb hdd

>>59828614
>As far as GPU is concerned, I'm looking at the GTX 1070.
Why would you want to downgrade?

>>59828614
>Are you satisfied?
Don't upgrade.

>Are you not satisfied?
Grab an R5 1600 and make room for a GTX 1080.

Also, the 1070 already trades blows with the 980 Ti. Barely a sidegrade.

>>59828666
1070 is better than a 980 moron.
if anything its comparable to the 980ti

>>59828612
I really want to have this up and running by the start of my summer break from Uni so waiting for Vega isn't really something I want to do. I only plan on 1080p gaming for the time being so the RX 480 should be more than enough for my needs.

I'd probably update the graphics card in 2-3 years anyways and by that point there'll probably be better, cheaper RX 5XX cards to choose from.

im going to buy a 1070 and the vg248qe

should i go for it?

>>59828686
no

is the h110 a dead chipset?

>>59828702
why

>>59828614
Whoops. You should have just said GTX 980. I still recommend the R5 1600 + GTX 1080 combo as a proper upgrade.

>>59828684
You don't have to worry about that since the RX 500 cards are due to launch in April (this month). The Vega cards are a different thing entirely. I'm sure you could wait a week or two.

>buy g4560
>use it for a year
>upgrade to a locked i7 a year from now after the price drops and multi-thread optimized games become more of a thing

???

>>59828510
4 physical cores will always be superior to 2 cores with hyperthreading in terms of overall performance, I'm not arguing against that. The issue comes up when you have a CPU that at $60 performs about 75-80% as well as a CPU that is over 300% of the cost. At that point you have to ask yourself just what are you getting for the money with an i5? It's just in a poor value spot right now. It doesn't mean it's a bad chip or that it isn't objectively better than a Pentium (of course it is), it's just not a great value proposition.

Things were more clear cut when it was only i3s that came with hyperthreading and at i3 prices, you could justify spending just a little extra to get the bonus that having 4 physical cores with an i5 would provide. But at $63 or whatever the G4560 costs, that's a much bigger jump.

>>59828808
Not a horrible plan if funds are very low now but you likely won't save more than the $60+ it costs you for the Pentium on the back end when you get a 7700 next year.

For example, i7 6700 are about $310 right now. Is that way off the pace from where they were last year? I doubt it, maybe $10 less. The same thing will happen with the 7700 and is true for most CPUs. A few flash sales here and there but for the most part they hold their value as the secondary market picks up steam towards the end of a CPUs retail life cycle. You follow?

>>59828707
>intel
>chipset launch date over a year old
It's dead, Jim.

thinking of i7 + 1070, any opinions?

>>59828623
is there much performance/visual difference between rx480 4gb and rx480 8gb playing on 1080p?

is that difference more significant than the difference between faster or more ram?

>>59829037
Boring but effective for now.

>>59829077
1) Visually, fuck no. Unless you're playing modded Skyrim or plan to crossfire 2 RX 480s in the future (not a great idea anyway) the 8 GB version doesn't make much sense for 1080p.
2) Faster RAM would be a better investment.

>>59827811
I've been putting off for two years now. How much of a little bit longer are we talking about?

>>59825119
>getting a i5
>when ryzen 5 is coming out tomorrow

>>59829125

> 8 GB version doesn't make much sense for 1080p.

Some games (not many mind) lock some settings behind a vram wall. DOOM for example doesn't like nightmare settings on 4gb cards unless you are fiji.

>>59829037
It'll work fine. R5 1600 + GTX 1080 might be better though.

>>59829037
Get a ryzen 5 and a higher end gpu

Just woke up. It's the 11th here today in Australia but no ryzen 5 on Umarts site??

it's 5am

>>59829148
I don't know what they're talking about. You can put together a pretty nice PC that will be a really noticeable upgrade for you for the price you listed right now. I think you've waited enough.

>>59829239
12 PM in the US. Still the 10th here, where it really counts.

>>59829186
im ok with this id rather not have the nightmare settings than to pay extra bit

>>59829186
True, but like you said, that's a pretty rare exception. Polaris 10 is going to be the bottleneck in 99/100 situations, not 4 GB/8 GB, so if there is a big difference in price, the 8 GB version is a tougher sell in my opinion.

>>59825156
Ryzen is like 340 € + 100 € for mobo, clock it to 3.8ghz and you have saved near 200 €.

Corsair H100 or should I try that new CM MasterAir Maker 8 for a new 7700k im getting

Thanks for the i5, i7, R7/R5 discussion. It's been highly educational.

Probably going to stick with >>59825119
except for and 8gb RX480 and an i7 7700K.
How much of a "risk" would I be taking by getting an early Ryzen 5 instead? How does it measure up with i7 7700K.

I'm trying to not be a tech illiterate retard anymore, so please have some patience guys.


>>59825330
Well the OP says i5s "aren't worthwhile" while places online are recommending those for current gaming PCs.
But see above, it's become a lot clearer now.

>>59825383
Logical Increments doesn't even display that card. Although looking at a couple of benchmarks it seems to be the better choice for quite some games.
Thanks man.

>>59827001
Like I said, I've been out of the loop for a long time. Back when I was building a PC the last time stock coolers were considered pretty shitty in public opinion. If it's really decent, then I guess the upgrade to i7 doesn't really hurt anymore.

>>59829185
Yeah, like I already mentioned I didn't know any better. But I don't really want to sit around for a month without PC until it's a "safe" option.

Or isn't it too risky to be an early adapter?
How bad could it turn out in the worst case?

>>59829148
That guy's fucking with you. You can get a Ryzen 5 and be really close to i7 7700k performance. I recommend the R5 1600. It's the most bang for the buck.

>>59829374
It's not a big risk to grab Ryzen 5. They're just Ryzen 7s with 2 of their 8 cores disabled, making them have 6 physical cores (3x3 configuration) each with SMT (AMD's hyperthreading.) The only disappointment about them was that they have just about the same overclock ceiling as the Ryzen 7 chips. Not that unexpected as Ryzen 7's overclocking limit wasn't really brought on by excessive thermals.

There's a bunch of simulated benchmarks out there for Ryzen 5 already as well as some random user benchmarks out there. The R5 1600, at $219, is a pretty fucking sweet value.

How is this for a r5 1600 build?

PCPartPicker part list: https://uk.pcpartpicker.com/list/v8wqgL
Price breakdown by merchant: https://uk.pcpartpicker.com/list/v8wqgL/by_merchant/

Motherboard: Asus PRIME B350M-A Micro ATX AM4 Motherboard (£76.12 @ More Computers)
Memory: Kingston Savage 8GB (1 x 8GB) DDR4-3000 Memory (£72.58 @ Amazon UK)
Storage: Seagate SV35.5 1TB 3.5" 7200RPM Internal Hard Drive (£49.64 @ More Computers)
Video Card: Asus Radeon RX 480 8GB Dual OC Video Card (£186.00 @ Aria PC)
Case: Zalman T2 Plus MicroATX Mini Tower Case (£33.01 @ More Computers)
Power Supply: SeaSonic G 550W 80+ Gold Certified Semi-Modular ATX Power Supply (£85.42 @ Amazon UK)
Total: £502.77
Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available
Generated by PCPartPicker 2017-04-10 20:30 BST+0100

This is the first iteration of my first ever build so please go easy on me

>>59829573
For starters, grab a small SSD for OS. Possibly wait for the RX 500 cards coming April (soon).

>>59829567
The site I planned to buy from only lists the 1400 so far. I'll call them tomorrow and see if they know when they'll have those in store.
Worth going for the R1600X instead of a regular one?

>>59829573
Like that other anon mentioned see about getting an SSD. 120GB should be enough

>>59829682
I'm pretty budget constrained. I don't think I'd be able to include that with the cpu for under £700. I think I'd need a WiFi dongle as well .

>>59829778
I don't think so. The X versions (XFR) really don't seem to provide much other than some very fine tune control options of overclocking and power states. In reality they perform about the same as the non-x variants, though maybe can't be overclocked quite as high due to binning. Unless you care about that very last 100-200 MHz on an overclock, probably not a big deal.

>>59827037
Get just one ssd, that's just gonna be a lot of hassle.

>>59829573
Consider swapping out that RX 480 8 GB for either an RX 470 4 GB or an RX 480 4 GB. The extra 4 GB on some of the RX 480's is mostly window dressing. That should get you some savings to sneak in an SSD boot drive.

>>59829925
This
Don't really get why the Rx480 comes with 8GB when it can't even come close to saturating it

>>59828829
Not that anon and I'm no expert in CPUs but yeah the G4560 is hands down the best value chip, although just because of that it doesn't mean the i5 should be obsolete I think.
I see it as a chip with very restrictive time/cycle of life, as soon as more of cores/threads get used in various applications (not just gaming) the G4560 will not be viable while the i5/R5 can keep up.
I know you said the comparison of efficiency lacking over it in the i5s is not the case, the value is, but I value most consumers would like their PCs to last for some time right?
Again, I'm no expert here and sometimes over-saturated is present and we can do little to stop it in a market like Computer hardware here.

>purpose:gaming, and video editing for fathers racing team
https://pcpartpicker.com/list/9fBrXH
Already have a 1070 and 1440p display, how's this looking. Don't want to upgrade until ddr5, gpu excluded

>>59830053
Any 6c or 8c Ryzen will perform better at video editing by a pretty large margin.

>>59830007
>I see it as a chip with very restrictive time/cycle of life
This is pretty much what I was trying to point out. The i5 most certainly isn't obsolete, I just don't think they're a great "bang for the buck" right now with what's looming on the horizon for demands on the CPU and with what else is out there on the market at the same price (Ryzen 5 6c/12t).

>>59830053
Ryzen will crush the i7 in video editing and other multi-threaded tasks, and will only be slightly worse at gaming. The awesomeness is more evident when considering the R5 1600 is only $220 and comes with a strong stock cooler for overclocking. Since you're gaming at 1440p, more the reason for Ryzen.

I have a Corsair CX550M PSU and I'm trying to install it.
All the wholes on the god damned thing seem too small for the supplied screws. Is this normal?

Been lurking this thread for a while, and it honestly disgusts me.

Why is there so many low end builds? You do know the pentiums are not the sweetspot for a good experience, right!?

Why is the majority gaymurs who one care about games?

Looking into getting a 1440p/4k monitor and wandering where to start in regards to entry price and proven models. I'm a britbong if that helps looking to keep the monitor within 23-28in.

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>>59829900
Their advertisment claims differently.

Should I even bother with 1080 if I play on my 1080p TV? It seems like a huge overkill right now but might be a good investment in the future?

>>59830297
>!?
A good b8 shouldn't be obvious.

>>59830297
>Why is there so many low end builds?
Most of the people who post here are probably working with a limited budget or just getting into PC building and want to stick their toe in the water rather than dive in headfirst.

>You do know the pentiums are not the sweetspot for a good experience, right!?
A good "experience" is kind of subjective. Will there be more stutters and hitches in games with a Pentium vs and i5/i7/Ryzen? Yeah, sure. How much of a price premium is the next CPU worth though? That's a question everyone has to answer for themselves.

>>59830357
You can't be serious.

>>59830297
>website populated with broke ass college students
>surprised when there's a strong interest in a $500 pic that can render waifu mods in skyrim

>62 EUR for E5-2680
or
>48 EUR for E5-2670
I feel like paying 14 EUR for an extra 0.2GHz is kind of retarded but on the otherwise, it's a pretty fucking big boost for the singlecore performance.

>>59830389
>You can't be serious.
>I'm trying to not be a tech illiterate retard anymore, so please have some patience guys.
I am.

>>59830449
It's just a marketing slide. It doesn't indicate some kind of relative performance, just a rough hierarchy.

I mean, they aren't even all the same layout. The first 2 are 4 core chips and the second 2 are 6 core chips.

>>59830532
So you're saying that the clock frequencies are just bogus numbers?

I built my PC a week ago, everything ran silk smooth. I didn't have a powerswitch so I just shorted the panel power pins on the mobo with something metal whenever I wanted to turn on the computer. I went to turn the pc on like I normally do instead this time it turned on for a nanosecond then shutdown, now it wont turn back on at all. Tried two different PSU, what else could be wrong? Everything is 1~ week old so warranty still covered.

>>59830618
The R5s with the X are at that price because people are lazy and don't want to overclock, and the power efficiency is a little better. Businesses benefit more from higher default clocks and better power efficiency, because time is money.

That's why the R5 1600 is the best deal for the average person. It can overclock close to 1600x speeds and has a nice cooler. It even has that automatic overclocking (XFR) that no one really cares about.

An exception is if you want gauranteed 4 Ghz clocks or something.

>>59830618
If you don't want to overclock sure.

As far as we are aware you will only gain 100-200MHz above the 1600 when overclocking, the same thing happens already with the 1700 and 1800X.

You pay 30 more dollars for a better bin and better roll on the silicon lottery and lose out on the stock cooler that will probably be alright for overclocking the 1600nonX to 3.8GHz.

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What's a good budget cooler for a r7 1700X CPU?

>>59830618
>So you're saying that the clock frequencies are just bogus numbers?
No, the clock numbers are all accurate there but all of these processors are unlocked and have basically the same clockspeed ceiling within 1-200 MHz of each other depending on binning. The XFR variants will be binned higher so they can meet the stated TDP while allowing for the higher clockspeeds but that's about it.

>>59830769
>The R5s with the X are at that price because people are lazy and don't want to overclock
>That's why the R5 1600 is the best deal for the average person
Joke's on you. I've known plenty of tech say people (was in a programming focused high school) and none of them ever overclocked.
Overclocking isn't an average person thing.

>>59826452
Msi tomahawk.

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Just bought an r7 1700, going to put it together tonight when I get home from work. It's going in my old trusty nzxt tempest evo and I'm going to use my 970s until I have a need to upgrade. Feeling comfy.

>>59830937
How much did you pay for it?

Just ordered
Ryzen 1700 370€
Asus prime b350-plus 100€
2x8gb corsair lpx 3000mhz cl15 145€
Coolermaster masterbox 5 60€
Corsair builder cx650m PSU 80€

Did I do good? I'm still using my old GPU and SSD-s, I don't see any reason to upgrade those at the moment. I'm upgrading from FX6350 with 8GB ddr3. Planning to oc the 1700 somewhere 3.7-3.8 ghz.

>>59830937
>le cancer leds

>>59830974

I bought a mechanical keyboard at the time too and got it from Canada computers, so the total bill not including my gpus or case was about $1500cdn, or $1100usd roughly. I needed a new psu since my corsair is about 8 years old. The cpu, mobo and ram was probably about $900-1000 I'd guess. I also had gift cards, so I saved 250 thanks to those.

>>59831027

Still angry you went Intel?

>>59831052
>I needed a new psu since my corsair is about 8 years old.

Mine's at least 8 years old and it's still chugging along like a champ

>>59831085

Yea, I will probably use it for a second build, but since it ran an overclocked i5-750 and multiple gpu setups, I'd rather not risk it. Especially after going 2 months using a piece of shit laptop when my motherboard died, rather just be safe. It was also an excuse to get a modular psu.

>>59830838
Oops. Yeah, you got me there. I fucked up. I guess words like "budget-conscious" or "want the best bang for the buck" are more appropriate. I was being retarded and only thought of people who are like me. Still, everyone needs to overclock more; it's a fun and rewarding experience.

However, the budget-conscious people who are willing to pay the big premium to avoid overclocking need to grow a pair of balls.

>>59831025
You screwed up on the PSU, but everything else looks pretty good.

I'd suggest getting a better quality PSU for peace of mind (perhaps EVGA 650 G2/G3 or Seasonic?); cancel that Corsair CX shit ASAP. If the PSU dies, it might take some of its friends with it.

>>59831211
>EVGA 650 G2
Bad advice general?

https://linustechtips.com/main/topic/585894-why-you-should-not-purchase-the-evga-g2-lineup-especially-in-homes-with-frequent-brownouts/

>>59831211
I've been lurking here over the past week and a half or so while my components ship. The one thing I see the most autism on is the PSU. Guys all swear by different brands and if you buy a brand outside of their preference your house is going to explode the second you turn it on. The PSU rivalries are even more ridiculous than intel and AMD because at least those fan clubs acknowledge why the other team likes their chosen brand. PSUs are pure autism.

>>59830838
I'm not disagreeing with you but there is pretty much no excuse not to at least spend 15-20 minutes learning about how easy overclocking is these days. If the majority of people still can't be bothered to learn about it then I don't think that changes the fact that the non-X variants of Ryzen are objectively the best value.

>>59827134
>So no ryzen 1500? What do for a budget build then?
OP is just a retarded faggot.

>>59826757
Just get a 3770.

If you get the 7700 and a b150, make sure the motherboard can be flashed fine. You probably want to get a B250 instead, which you can sometimes find a decent one of for $60.

>>59828516
Like others said, just get the RX470. The G4560 is going to be bottlenecking it in most cases anyway. The RX470 is like 25% cheaper, yet more than 90% as good.

>>59828602
That's a lot of money for 4 threads

>>59828681
The 1070 isn't so much better than the 980 that it's worth buying, though. wtf.

>>59828951

>>59830389
>>59830412

Even in HS me and my poor ass friends could scrap together enough for a i5 machine.

Actually, those are only $250-300 used now and perform far better than a Pentium.

>A good "experience" is kind of subjective.
Of course, but a low end machine like this isn't going to be very enjoyable to use for anything other than light browsing.

>>59831274
Is that issue present in the G3s?

Any if that's your concern, which PSU are you using?

>>59831274
It seems only the 550w versions have the problems.

>>59831290
I'm indifferent towards brands, but I often check reviews to know what's up. For example, there's really obvious stuff like, avoid cheap, no-name PSUs (e.g. PSU with LEDs and bad components). There's a bunch of good brands (e.g. Corsair's RMx, EVGA Supernova, Seasonic, Antec's HCG, etc). I just read up on what's generally referred to as good and what isn't.

And I know well enough that Corsair CX is one of the low-tier PSUs. There's always that jonnyguru website if word-of-mouth isn't good enough.

>>59827281

Only a retard buys a CPU thinking in games, as 99% of the time you will be bottlenecked by your GPU.

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>>59831143
>>59831301
People still are catious about anything that voids warranty and consider anything relating to BIOS better left to the initiated.

I for one am cautios about all those "It's easy bro! You have to be retarded to actually break something doing this!" things have shown time and time again that people breaking stuff doing that isn't uncommon at all. I'm usually not touching that stuff unless I know what exactly the risks are and how likely it is to succeed/fail.

>>59831290
just google psu tier list, it's not autism but so many people are brandwhoring here they don't even know the label wasn't the manufacturer of the actual parts.

>>59831482
Check some benchmarks out with the G4560. You would actually be surprised to see how well it does. I'm not saying I'd buy one for myself but it's pretty eye-opening. Hyperthreading makes a difference. And at that price? They can certainly make a lot of sense in the right situation.

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>>59830805

>>59831540
Not him but I just wanted to point out:

"EVGA G2: Rest of Lineup

As of now, the non-550W versions of the EVGA G2 lineup may have these issues, but we cannot know for sure. Power supply experts are pretty confident the rest of the G2 lineup does have this problem, which is very important."

>>59830805
How quiet do you want it to be? That's mostly what you are paying for.

>>59831560
Achieving modest overclocking gains on modern motherboards can be done by entering BIOS (hitting DEL on startup usually) and using a mouse to click whatever the OC tab is, followed by either clicking "auto-OC" or bumping the multiplier up a few ticks. You probably don't even have to use a keyboard these days. None of this voids warranty either as far as I know. The boards and chips are advertised that they can be overclocked and have overvoltage and thermal safety nets baked into them.

People that are "cautious" about basic overclocks of their unlocked CPU are just being intellectually lazy and taking the easy way out (I heard from a friend of a friend that this guy set his motherboard on fire trying to overclock) rather than sit down and learn something new that might take 30 minutes out of their day.

>>59831642
As quiet as it can be, without going over a hundred bucks. Anything in the goldilocks zone for price and performance with that constraint in mind is good for me, but I'm leaning towards price a little bit more than performance.

>>59831611
>Cute 2HU picture prompts me to respond.
Just get the R7 1700 and be done with it. The Spire Cooler it comes with is pretty strong and quiet for what it is.

>>59829374
>How much of a "risk" would I be taking by getting an early Ryzen 5 instead
Ryzen 7 has already been out for over a month, and they're the same chips that are binned differently.

All the major issues have already been ironed out. Unless you're some sort of sperg that thinks DDR4 3000 running at 2933mhz instead is a "major issue".

> How does it measure up with i7 7700K
The 7700k is going to be faster in more than 2/3rds of games stock than the 1600X. And the 7700k OC better to beat it in just about all the current ones if you pay for half the power.
But a 7700k and a supporting motherboard and cooler that can OC that high is almost $300 more expensive than a 1600X with a reasonably priced B350 board and a reasonable cooler.

If you ask me, 5% higher FPS isn't worth $300. Especially when the multitasking and productivity performance of the 7700k is worse than the 1600.

>Well the OP says i5s "aren't worthwhile" while places online are recommending those for current gaming PCs.
Those places want you to buy a CPU that'll become obsolete sooner so you'll need to buy a new one sooner.

>>59829778
>Worth going for the R1600X instead of a regular one?
You'll get conflicting opinions here.
If you're unlucky, that 1600 is going to take 1.45v to reach 4Ghz which is a pretty unreasonably high voltage, imo. So you'll more likely be in the 3.75-3.85 range at a reasonable voltage like 1.325 on the stock cooler.
The 1600X on average should be around 6% lower voltage. So 1.36v for the same 4ghz, or you might hit 4.1 on 1.4v or less.

But if price is a concern, and you were considering like an i5-7500 before, then yeah go with the 1600.

>>59829900
How much over stock XFR will go changes.

Like on the 1500X, it goes 200 over. So 3.9ghz instead of 3.7.
On the 1600X it's 100 over. So 4.1ghz instead of 4.0.
It's confusing and stupid, and the biggest marketing mistake than AMD has made here.

>>59831674
You also have the consider that maybe someone who is putting a lot of their hard-earned money into building a computer doesn't want to engage in an activity that could potentially harm their computer if done incorrectly.

>>59831724
I already got the 1700X, so I can't do that anymore. I could go and sell it, but I'd probably lose money even if it's still not unboxed.

>>59831025
Yeah like the other anon said, that's not a good PSU.
Cheap Corsair's are garbage since they changed manufacturers.

Can't go wrong with Seasonic at any price, though.

>>59831482
i5 isn't worth the extra cost for what you get over a G4560.

>>59831548
>recommedning an i3-6100
it's shit. Those are only worth getting if they're on sale for under $90.

>recommending the 1400 with gimped L3 cache for games that are optimized around having 6MB of cache
it's shit. The 1500X is worth the $20 moer.

>recommending the 7600k
it's shit and never worth it.
A locked 7700 is far better than a 5ghz overclocked 7600k on average, and cheaper.

>$250 mobo
>has a clear CMOS button on the back

Is this more common than I think it is? Why do you need a dedicated clear button on the back of the rig? Is it that useful?

https://www.asus.com/us/Motherboards/ROG-CROSSHAIR-VI-HERO/

>>59831728
>But if price is a concern, and you were considering like an i5-7500 before, then yeah go with the 1600.
Well the jump between i5 and i7 is much steeper than X or not X.

Thanks for the elaborate reply.

>>59831789
Oh, sorry about that dude. If you just want to do some nice overclocks, you could get the Cryorig H7 for like $50. If you want great overclclocks and a rather quiet CPU cooler at the same time, the NH D15 looks like it might be great for you. I'm personally looking at the Scythe Mugen 5 for my R5 1600 rig, but that might change later.

>>59831722
Something basic like a 212 EVo works fine, but wont be the quietest.
I fucked up and bought a deepcool gammax for my 1700x because muh 130w rating and a good review. I replaced it with my old Noctua NH-U12P, which I got free mounting brackets for even though I didnt even have a recipt since I got it second hand. It's nice and quiet but a bit hot at 3.8ghz and my low fan speeds.

I'm no expert on CPU fans, but I hear the h60 is a solid entry level watercooler.

>>59831885
I mean I'll still use the Spire over everything else, but I like having options.

>>59830805
Even the Cryorig M9a or C7 will be able to cool it if you're not overclocking. Ryzen is so power efficient.
An H7 or Be Queit Pure Rock would be about 5C lower on a decent OC.

>>59831789
Don't worry about people that say they're exactly the same. They're not. On average they use 3% less voltage for a given clock.
They aren't worth the $70-$100 more that they cost, but a 1700 non-X isn't "better".

You could see about getting a hold of the Wraith Max, too.

>>59831853
To undo a bad OC that's keeping you from even entering BIOS.

>>59831857
>Well the jump between i5 and i7 is much steeper than X or not X.
No it's not?
7600k+mobo+cooler =
$240+$140+$90 = $470
7700k+mobo+cooler =
$340+$140+$90 = $570
So it's 21% more money for the CPU and the main parts to support an overclock, for on average a 30-35% increase in minimum framerates. In some cases it's more than a 50% increase. A huge decrease in stutters/locks, too.
When you're already spending that much, it's retarded to stick with 4 threads.

We don't have benchmarks yet, but I would bet the 1600X, both stock and at 4ghz vs 5ghz, will beat the 7600k on average on minimum frames across games for much cheaper.
There's literally no reason at all to consider an i5. Every single i5 model is trash now, and has always been trash. Even before there was competition from AMD, you were still spending a lot of money for something that stutters and drops frames.

Sure, the G4560 will stutter and drop some more frames, but at least it's actually cheap.

>>59831978
>average on minimum frames
Enjoy your rock solid 15fps mate.

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>>59832030
I'm sorry for your buyers remorse.

Just stick with that dead end job and you can afford to mend your mistakes eventually.

do you need to defrag SSDs or nah?

>>59831831
>i5 isn't worth the extra cost for what you get over a G4560.
It was back in the day, and used is still cheaper than a Pentium machine. But yeah, of course today you should get a r5.

>>59831831
>it's shit. Those are only worth getting if they're on sale for under $90.
I know, but I dont want to leave such a big hole.

>it's shit and never worth it.
Just like the 7700k it mostly makes sense for high hz gaming, and it fills the gap nicely. Locked 7700s seem to go for ~300+.

>>59832063
>Just stick with that dead end job and you can afford to mend your mistakes eventually.
7700K here. Sorry senpai. Still murdering your pajeet shit even in your cherrypicked benches. Feeling pretty comfy right now.

>>59831768
It's almost impossible to damage components if you follow a handful of simple rules. As I stated, modern chips will simply shut down if the user dials in settings that it can't deal with.

>>59832113
I didn't say anything to dis-barrage the 7700k. Apparently you can't read.

>>59832083
>It was back in the day, and used is still cheaper than a Pentium machine
Well before they added hyperthreading to pentiums, yeah you didn't have much choice. That was alright.

>I know, but I dont want to leave such a big hole.
That hole is simply there until APUs come. No reason to recommend a CPU that's poor value when they're better off saving $60 and getting the G4560 instead of the i3-6100.

The 6100 do go on sale sometimes, more than any others. Otherwise they're just not worth it

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>>59832030
>dual core
>2017

>>59831728
>It's confusing and stupid, and the biggest marketing mistake than AMD has made here.
It's a little bit more complicated than it needs to be but I think they were trying to build some value into the "high end" Ryzen chips with some kind of added feature and XFR is what they settled on. They knew they didn't want to have locked chips but they wanted to offer something at the lower end that would make it a no brainer vs the i5 and that's what they came up with.

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>>59832113
>Feeling pretty comfy right now.
>intel

what's the best cpu cooler out rn? non-liquid cooling pls

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Gigabyte got another BIOs update with the new microcode.

>>59832320
Hyper 212 Evo

>>59832113
>2017
>Kaby Lid
Threadlets when will they learn?

>>59832451
It's only funny until someone actually falls for the meme.

Does anyone here own and use a x370 or b350 mobo? How are they?

is windows 10 worth upgrading to or should i stick with 7

>>59832764
Going to have to embrace DX12 eventually, senpai. Should have got in there while it was free.

>>59832807
im just asking for my new build to know if i should factor in the cost of an os. i was gonna stick with 7 since i have the disk for it but might as well shell out for 10.

Any reason not to pull the trigger on an Asrock AB350M Pro 4 while it's actually in stock? After a bit of research it looks like the pick of the mATX boards to me but the consumerist whore in me is troubled by it also being one of the cheapest.

>>59832971
10 Pro is 20-something dollaroos on kinguin. Should be a no brainer.

>>59832991

>assrock

New thread
>>59833183
>>59833183

>>59833158
Oh look it's this guy again. Ignore him. 24/7 shitposter with zero arguments.

>>59832991
Go for it. It's probably going to get a lot more scarce after tomorrow. Not seen much but positive reports, best power design of the mATX pack, cheap, and not covered in fucking LEDs.

>>59829573
You can get a decent PSU for half that money. Then use the £40 that you saved to buy a 120GB SSD.

>>59833518
Have patience.

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>order Fractal Design R5 case on amazon
>comes in a huge box, open it up
>literally no protection. It's not even wrapped in bubble wrap
>fucking huge crack right on the top front

Please tell me FD has good customer service, this is rediculous. Who the FUCK thought it was fine to just throw a heavy ass computer case in a dinky cardboard box and ship it?

>>59833612
Shouldnt be FD's problem mate, surely? Amazon's CS is generally top notch and they FUCK UP marketplace sellers who rock the boat. Go through them.

>>59833678
The paper with the manual said I can contact FD or the seller, so I'll try FD first I guess. If I can swap it locally that'd be way more convenient than sending it back somewhere.

>>59833612
Just send it back to amazon. I bought a Corsair 450D case from them last year, and it came with a huge dent in the side, and a fucked up hard drive cage. I sent it back and bought it at newegg afterwards, no problem. (except commiefornia sales tax)