/fglt/ - Friendly GNU/Linux Thread

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SAY SOMETHING NICE ABOUT ARCH

first for ________

>>59807565
>>59807831
>>59808108
Last-ditch effort at fixing this, thanks for the attempt at help at least, brothers.

What's the alternative to OneNote on GNU/Linux?

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>>59808635
>That guy made it
It's a thing
https://www.furiffic.com/pouar/view/36677

https://www.furiffic.com/pouar

https://e621.net/post/index/1/kde

>>59808645
I like that Arch is about equality.
https://archwomen.org/

>>59808713
>https://www.furiffic.com/pouar/view/36677
furry gas chambers when

>>59808733
OMG, this is so unprofessional. Why do they allow this?

>>59808733
is there any distro that has maintainers that aren't corporations, incompetent idiots or SJWs at this point?

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>>59808713
KEK

>>59808733
>>59808759
What the fuck? I've been leaning towards Arch lately mainly because I didn't think they pushed this garbage. Fuck this and fuck the furry shit.

>>59808733
That's not even official, nigger. Just some bitches went on and did it, and got shit to no end because of it on the Archforums

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>>59808770

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>>59808770
>DELET

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>>59808713
I never want to touch Arch again.

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>>59808794
ITS UNOFFICIAL

>>59808780
>89 KB
>>59808794
>133 KB

What are you DOING, can you even call yourself an Arch user with all that bloat?

>>59808777
>>59808780
Shit on Arch the system as much as you like, if you have to. But the devs aren't fucking sjws

>>59808810
any proof?

Hey /g/.
I'm upgrading my disk for more space, so decided to try new distribution.
ubuntu vs debian?
What I don't like about ubuntu - canonical
What I like about it - large community, out of the box stuff (like ubuntu-make)

What I don't like about debian - old packages
What I like about debian - not canonical, ???

I don't care about tinkering with my OS (anymore), just want to get the job done.

>>59808808
>can you even call yourself an Arch user with all that bloat?
That's the Arch way. Don't split packages or waste you time with any nonsense debloating. Keep it simple stupid.

>>59808810
Please show where they denounced https://archwomen.org/

>>59808830
Debian and old packages is a fake news meme.

>>59808830
If you want the newest packages with debian, use debian testing (less secure) or sid (rolling, packages updated as soon as there are changes).

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if arch linux is about simplicity, why does it use systemd?

>>59808840
Not for stable and testing and unstable are a mess. Arch is more stable than Debian testing. Debian has noticeable bugs in testing.

>>59808861
Lazy devs. Arch is not about simplicity rather than convenience since years.

>>59808861
systemd is simpler

>>59808873
>arch
>stable
nice meme

>>59808830
Just enable backports for newer packages on stable.

>>59808861
Systemd actually simplifies a traditional setup in many ways. Since systemd components share a common code base, they tend to share much more code for common code paths. Here's an example: in a traditional Linux setup, sysvinit, start-stop-daemon, inetd, cron, dbus, all implemented its own scheme to execute processes with various configuration options in a certain, hopefully clean environment. On systemd the code paths for all of this, for the configuration parsing, as well as the actual execution is shared. This means less code, less place for mistakes, less memory and cache pressure. systemd is also pretty modular. You can choose at build time which components you need, and which you don't need. People can hence specifically choose the level of "bloat" they want.

>>59808888
t. someone who has never ran arch

>>59808861
"simplicity" means simple for the devs, not for the users.

>>59808861
Arch isn't minimalist.

"It has never been a minimalist distribution. Splitting packages is rare compared to other distributions, and dependencies aren't made optional whenever possible."

"It has also never been a distribution offering much user freedom / choice compared to Gentoo and even Debian. There are very few cases where there are multiple packages offering different configurations of the same project. There's no equivalent to update-alternatives or the comparable uses of USE flags. Changing /bin/sh from Bash will be broken, as will changing the python symlink to point to python2 instead of python3 even though this works on some other distributions. It doesn't strive to offer choices like this, and never has."

"Arch is the opposite of a user-centric freedom. The opinion of users has no weight here. Only the developers have an opinion, and there aren't voting systems as there are in Debian. Technical decisions are made based on merit via consensus among the developers, not popularity."

"Arch has never been minimalist... a Linux kernel with every module available and every feature enabled at least when there's no non-bloat related cost, feature-packed/complex GNU tools, nearly all optional features enabled across all the packages, etc."

"It has always used significantly more disk space and a measurable amount of additional memory than Debian and especially Gentoo as a consequence of keeping things simple (again, from a development perspective)."

"Memes about minimalism and user freedom != actual distribution policy / principles / history."

>t. arch wiki admin
https://lists.archlinux.org/pipermail/arch-general/2015-July/039443.html

>>59808861
Since systemd was first proposed it has been frequently discussed in many forums, mailing lists and conferences. In these discussions one can often hear certain myths about systemd, that are repeated over and over again, but certainly don't gain any truth by constant repetition. Let's take the time to debunk a couple of them:

Myth: systemd is monolithic.

If you build systemd with all configuration options enabled you will build 69 individual binaries. These binaries all serve different tasks, and are neatly separated. Many of these binaries are separated out so nicely, that they are very useful outside of systemd. A package involving 69 individual binaries can hardly be called monolithic.

Myth: systemd is not UNIX.

There's certainly some truth in that. systemd's sources do not contain a single line of code originating from original UNIX. However it derives inspiration from UNIX. In fact the design of systemd as a suite of integrated tools that each have their individual purposes but when used together are more than just the sum of the parts, that's pretty much at the core of UNIX philosophy.

>>59808873
So would it be better choice like manjaro, instead of debian or ubuntu?
Would manjaro be stable enough compared to ubuntu or debian? (I am now on arch, but just don't care about going through all installation process and configuring my OS, done it enough times already)

STOP ADVERTISING ARCH LINUX AS THE PINNACLE OF x86-x64 LINUX DISTROS. It just isn't.

Most Arch Linux users really need to keep their enthusiasm down. It is becoming ridiculous. Arch Linux IS NOT an ideal distribution for desktop and laptop users. PERIOD. Stop proclaiming that every Ubuntu user must undergo a purification ritual, a spiritual journey whose path culminates with installing Arch to achieve "FULL CONTROL". In fact, I have an hard time calling it a distribution at all, other than it has its own repositories and package manager I guess. And a great wiki, I'll give you that.
Arch Linux users have the nasty habit of blaming the user if something goes wrong with his installation, even if all he does is 'sudo pacman -Syu' after a clean install done accordingly with the Arch Wiki. Well, guess again. Arch users need to understand that PACKAGES DEEMED STABLE UPSTREAM DO NOT NECESSARILY TRANSLATE TO BREAKAGE-FREE SYSTEM. How could it be so, if there is no further testing? No QA? Just a stream of packages flowing continuously on top of subsequent kernel versions. Obviously, chances are something is gonna break somewhere.
There is a reason why cycle releases exist. There is a reason why thousands of volunteers donate their time packaging and testing point releases. A particular set of default packages is tested again several case-scenarios to ensure that the aforementioned "STABLE PACKAGES" indeed work together with each other.

Can someone give me a tl;dr about the systemd controverse? Is systemd a botnet?

>>59808767
devuan

They even have a "no code of conduct" policy (see their forums)

>>59808951
GNU/Linux*

>>59808953
here is a quick rundown

http://without-systemd.org/wiki/index.php/Local_copy_of_boycottsystemd.org_archive

>>59808828
>>59808833
You can't prove a negative, you illiterate faggots. As long as someone is not acting as an SJW, it's just retarded to go around calling them that. Actually requiring that they say anything about is is a total SJW mentality. Adult, non-retarded, busy people will just ignore crap like that.

>>59808888
I know I can do that, but wouldn't it make my debian unstable? More unstable like ubuntu? (I'm tempting to use ubuntu because of that, but really don't want to do anything with canonical)

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>>59808951
Pic related

>>59808949
>So would it be better choice like manjaro, instead of debian or ubuntu?
Yes but don't take my word for it, try out all of the distros you're interested in and decide based on your experience. Check out out pamac on Manjaro, make sure you go into preferences and switch on AUR support.

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>>59808767
Slackware

>>59808949
>>59808951
>>59808988
Manjaro seems really relevant all of a sudden

>>59809004
It's all memes.

Debian is the only good desktop GNU/Linux distro desu.

>>59808645
It's the best linux distro
for like RPis and shit...

What is the best distro for programming?

>>59809036
literally any

Any reason for using Xfce over MATE? I'm more of a KDE guy, but from what I have read, MATE is just as light, while fully supporting GTK 3 and not screen tearing like crazy with default settings.

>>59809036
macOS

>>59809027
GNU/Linux*

>>59809053
>le screen tearing meme

please go and use MATE.

>>59809053
>Any reason
Personal preference. MATE has the comfy Gnome 2 feel. Xfce has a comfy mouse in the background.

>>59809053
There's no tearing problem. Xfce just doesn't come with a compositor.

>>59809080
>using a DE because of the wallpaper
>le comfy meme
is this bait?

>>59809036
it doesn't matter
possibly avoid the more freetard distros if you're a java developer because openjdk sucks.

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>>59809024
>I know I can do that, but wouldn't it make my debian unstable?
I'm an Arch user of a few years who fell for the copypasta and memes about Debian and I actually installed Debian stretch over Arch thinking that it was going to be a more professional semi rolling distro (comparable package age, split packages, "better policies", etc.). It was a huge dissapointment. It crashed in the first 10 minutes when I was tweaking preferences on an Xfce panel. I installed chromium and found out that they disabled the use of extensions except for the 3 bullshit ones they ship it with. It turns out that Debian likes to take packages and apply retarded patches to everything just because they can. I know it's not necessary because I never had any issues out of Arch, just mostly unpatched vanilla packages working together nicely. It wasn't horrible but it left a bad taste in my mouth for sure, and I was hyped up for the switch too. Big disappointment.

Pic related sounds nice but it's bullshit.

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trying to install linux on my pc, i managed to reach the point where it asks if i want to try or install. after i click any of the options my monitor just shows a message saying it goes 'power saving mode' and turns off.

i tried multiple distros (ubuntu, fedora, etc.), and i already managed to make it work on my laptop (full installation and try). notice that i can reach the actual installation menu, asking me if i want to try first or install right away.

apparently libspotify is deprecated and will be kill some time in 2017. What should I use to play spotify from cli/without their shitty client when it gets shut down? I currently use mopidy-spotify+npcmpp.

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>>59809161
i have Dell UltraSharp U2715H as monitor btw... had the same problem while installing windows, but i overcame it by just plugging and unplugging the monitor. now NOTHING works.

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So recently my laptop has started acting weird.
When I installed ubuntu I followed some tutorial to make everything look like a mac to piss off my flatmate, and just left it kinda looking like that.
Now it's started displaying this weird "border" around every window, and I've no idea how to fix it.
It's probably related to my WM or theme, so if any of you could help me I'd be very grateful.
I guess I have to switch to another WM or something, but I don't mind at all.

>>59808993
slackware will never be corrupted as long as Pat is alive, he has great judgement. He keeps bloated and shitty software that has become the standard on many distros, such as PAM and systemd out of slack. literally the most simple, just working stable distro.

>>59809210
Looks like a driver problem. Did you touch them?

>>59809111
Sorry you don't like mice faggot

>>59809175
looks like your only choice is to utilize the web api... if that even lets you to play music.
https://developer.spotify.com/web-api/

>>59809224
Possibly. I do recall having trouble with the drivers for my dedicated GPU a couple months ago, but I didn't put much effort into fixing it as I don't run any GPU-heavy tasks anymore.

>>59809083

>Xfce just doesn't come with a compositor.
It does, Xfwm4 has built in compositing. It is bad, but apparently there was a fix recently. Either way, you can turn it off or use hardware options like Intel's TearFree to fix it or use a standalong compositor like Compton.

>>59809246

sudo lspci -v

What module is in use for the gpu?

>>59809210
Google how to enable proprietary drivers and do it. If not install xfce or something and see if it still does it. Just sudo apt install xubuntu-desktop and you can switch to it at your login screen. If it's okay on Xfce uninstall Unity and then reinstall it.

>>59809210

>boot into live session of Ubuntu
>if the problem isn't there, it means you fucked something up
>change theme back to default (best use adwaita, and not even ubuntu's stock theme)
>if that fixes it, you know what to do

>>59809329
>>59809341
I'll give this a shot. Thanks to both of you!

>>59809320

03:00.0 3D controller: NVIDIA Corporation GM108M [GeForce 840M] (rev a2)
    Subsystem: ASUSTeK Computer Inc. GM108M [GeForce 840M]
    Flags: bus master, fast devsel, latency 0, IRQ 49
    Memory at f6000000 (32-bit, non-prefetchable) [size=16M]
    Memory at e0000000 (64-bit, prefetchable) [size=256M]
    Memory at f0000000 (64-bit, prefetchable) [size=32M]
    I/O ports at e000 [size=128]
    [virtual] Expansion ROM at f7000000 [disabled] [size=512K]
    Capabilities: [60] Power Management version 3
    Capabilities: [68] MSI: Enable+ Count=1/1 Maskable- 64bit+
    Capabilities: [78] Express Endpoint, MSI 00
    Capabilities: [100] Virtual Channel
    Capabilities: [250] Latency Tolerance Reporting
    Capabilities: [258] L1 PM Substates
    Capabilities: [128] Power Budgeting <?>
    Capabilities: [600] Vendor Specific Information: ID=0001 Rev=1 Len=024 <?>
    Kernel driver in use: nvidia
    Kernel modules: nvidiafb, nouveau, nvidia_375_drm, nvidia_375

>>59809212
Isn't pulseaudio in 14.2 now? Because bluetooth requires it? But still, yes, it is nice because the boat is not rocked unless absolutely necessary.

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>>59809329
>>59809341
>>59809320
Thank you kind anons for helping me sort this out :) My laptop lives on, despite literally being held together by nails and tape at this point.

sudo apt-get update
sudo apt-get upgrade
sudo apt-get install xubuntu-desktop 

and a reboot fixed it!

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>>59809506
>not using the superior Xfce desktop

>>59809506

>install xubuntu-desktop
>fixed it
>screenshot shows him using Unity

Why do you type commands in which you don't know what they do?
You installed a desktop environment (I assume xubuntu-desktop is a metapackage which pulls in xfce and the xubuntu artwork), which apparently fixed your issues, but you're not even using that new environment. Instead what could have fixed your problem was a regular update which you did.

>>59809533
I'm aware of that. It did however boot with the xubuntu-theme up untill i logged in, so I'm not entirely sure what's going on.
To be completely honest I just want to browse chans without weird bugs, so I'm not gonna fuck around with it anymore.

>>59809525
I do in fact run xfce on my x220i

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What are some cool terminal commands?

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What's with all the GNOME 3 hate? I haven't used it very much personally, but I was just playing around with a Fedora live distro and it seems pretty okay to me. Better than Unity or KDE anyway. Personally running LXDE currently, but I think Ubuntu transitioning away from Unity will make me take a second look at it eventually.

>>59809636
>hey guys I want to use gnome the way I want to

>gnome3 devs: NO YOU'LL USE IT THE WAY WE WANT YOU TO

>>59809631

sudo pacman -Rsc systemd

>>59809679
>>>/p/lebbit

>>59809586
>I'm aware of that. It did however boot with the xubuntu-theme up untill i logged in
That's something weird I've noticed. Back when I used to run Ubuntu and I'd install several DEs when I was trying things out they would fuck with each other. I found out that Arch doesn't do that. You can have a dozen different DEs installed and they won't end up fucking with each other.

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>>59809679
>he uses arch

>>59809679
>look mom, I'm meme-ing on 4chan xD

>>59809716
>>59809703
>>59809683
thanks for the (You)s

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>>59809679
serious question, what's wrong with systemd?

>>59809734
nothing, don't let any grandpas tell you otherwise

>>59809734
does too much stuff and touches too many things

>>59809752
kind of like my uncle

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is zsh really better than bash or am I falling for another meme?

>>59809788
F I S H
I
S
H

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>>59808699
I have no clue why but I installed Infinality and it fixed my DPI problems completely.

Fuck

>>59809795
it's shite

>>59809801
u r shite

>>59809811
no u

>>59809788
I like it more than bash. In the end you can do the same stuff, zsh not reading ~/.inputrc is fucking boring though.

>>59809815
no u

>>59809801
Is there a shell called "shit"? It would fit in with all the shells having "sh" in them.

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tmux or screen? which one and why?

>>59809834
tmux

screen is deprecated gnu garbage

>>59809788
zsh

bash is deprecated gnu garbage

>>59808617
Windows 10

GNU/Linux is deprecated GNU garbage

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I've been using Ubuntu for a year now and I think I'm save enough to move on. Should I try Debian or Arch?

>>59809788

You don't even know what a shell is most likely. The very fact that you have to ask that question means you don't need an "alternative" shell. Chances are you'll install it because you think it looks cool. Then you'll ask retarded questions like:

>guys i edited my .bashrc to add this but it's not working what do?
>guys this weird thing happens when i type this, why? i did nothing but install this incredibly contrived "framework" which comes with 1000 aliases and functions replacing common executable names, i don't know what could be causing my problem pls help

What is the best GNU/Linux alternative to Visual Studio ( mainly interested for C++ dev )

>>59809870
Debian
Arch is deprecated gnu garbage

>>59809870
how do they say, pick your poison

>>59809883
vim

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>>59809883
We don't describe free software as an “alternative” to proprietary, because that word presumes all the “alternatives” are legitimate and each additional one makes users better off. In effect, it assumes that free software ought to coexist with software that does not respect users' freedom.

We believe that distribution as free software is the only ethical way to make software available for others to use. The other methods, nonfree software and Service as a Software Substitute subjugate their users. We do not think it is good to offer users those “alternatives” to free software.

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There have been no updates to Arch in the last 2 days. Why? What's going on?

>>59809971
didn't you read? Arch is dead

>>59809971
https://www.archlinux.org/packages/?sort=-last_update

>>59809971
why not lean back and watch some anime?

Ultra retard question:
How do you install proprietary software like steam without available source code on gentoo?

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What are some nice and fun Gtk themes?

>>59809971
>tfw you run arch and haven't updated in the last 5 seconds

>>59809995
You install the nonfree binaries. Gentoo is holding your hand by doing so: https://wiki.gentoo.org/wiki/Steam

>>59808920
>These binaries all serve different tasks, and are neatly separated

Yeah they're just TIGHTLY COUPLED

>>59809988
interesting. only haskell shit got updated.

>>59810007
>tfw you install all the packages in the repos to experience -Syu breaking your system constantly

>>59809995
dont use steam, it deletes everything
https://github.com/valvesoftware/steam-for-linux/issues/3671

>>59808901
>systemd is also pretty modular.
Seperate tightly coupled binaries doesn't equal modular.

>You can choose at build time which components you need, and which you don't need. People can hence specifically choose the level of "bloat" they want.

I've tried this, I disabled acl/polkit/cgroups/randomseed/xattr/plymouth/password-agents
/update-utmp support and apparently that doesn't give you a bootable system :\

They don't document which things you need and which things you don't need afaik

how can we stop the systemd meme?
it causes ~100 garbage posts/thread

>>59810083
That post is just shitposting. The minimum binaries required for systemd to work is 42 out of 69. If you leave only the init part nothing will work. That myth page is ridiculous.

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posted my i3 setup last thread, here's what it normally looks like

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http://www.ponyos.org/

>>59810134
>>>/wg/
>>>/wg/6893100
>>>/wg/6890189

>>59810216
But is it libre?

>>59810134
gib dotfiles

>Confused looking anime girls with interrogative marks
https://imgur.com/gallery/c1OQk

Hi guys I just uploaded a neat tutorial of how to install Solus and a distro review. Please check it out!
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sQ5-b0lhaZ4

>>59810281
Solus has a graphical installer. Why would anyone need a tutorial on it?

Riddle me this friends.

I got a laptop with Freedos, installed Mint on it, worked fine.
After some time it developed a strange problem, literally not turning on and not charging the battery.
Sent it to get fixed or replaced under warranty.
It came back with the note "HDD PCB replaced". Later the same problem appeared. Sent it back again. This time the whole motherboard got replaced.
However, the touchpad stopped working. I checked the bios, it wasn't disabled, check the key combination, and it wasn't that either. So I sent it back again.
A few days later I got a call from them saying it works fine in their test environment, which is Windows 10 apparently.

I asked if they replaced it with an identical part and they said they're supposed to be the same.

So what happened here?
Upon investigating, the touchpad seems to be recognized, it just doesn't work.
It's a "FocalTech Touchpad".

>>59810312
Does your laptop's touchpad runs only on proprietary drivers?

Did you try installing proprietary drivers after installing Mint?

Also, it's no longer advised to use Mint. Just install Ubuntu and Cinnamon.

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>tfw you don't like anime, but you don't complain about it, because you realize you're visiting an anime website

>>59810364
Only intel-microcode shows up in the driver list.

>>59810124
Who fucking cares though? Systemd is a major step up from shell-script based init in both performance and convenience (because centrally managed services). Sure, the default logging configuration is a bit annoying, but that's really fucking easy to fix. Also, I know that systemd had some weird issues when it was initially released (what software doesn't?), but it works really well now, so that's irrelevant.

Also, why would you complain about monolithic software on Linux, the largest kernel codebase in the entire world? Seriously, if you think that systemd is too big to be structurally sound, then you better start installing netbsd.

>>59810393
>not liking anime
what is wrong with you?

#!/bin/dash
printf "Hello World\n"

>>59810519
>using double quotes on strings without variables

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>>59810216
Ask me anything

>>59810546

why

>>59810519
>dash
>not sh

>>59810546
Which package manager are you using?

>>59810519
>Dmitry
>not Anonymous

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>>59810546
Why that typeface? I mean I know you've got the whole Pony thing but come on.

Why can't you use your powers for good instead of faggotry?

whats the point of linux when it doesnt have games?

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>>59810570
Not sure. It has a package_manager.py. Don't know about cli. PonyOS doesn't have much documentation.

how can I rename all files in a directory to their sha256 sum but keep the extension?

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>>59810621
heh
http://www.thegreatestgameyouwilleverplay.com/

>>59810679

Learn Bash scripting.

>>59810621
Buy a console.

>>59810649
> that font
Why do you hate yourself?

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>>59810714
I'm just testing some strange os someone posted here, it's not my daily driver or anything.

>>59810621
>http://www.ponyos.org/
It have lots of games, simulators, software.

>>59810736
>daily driver or anything.
>>59810736
PonyOS much better than shitty distro like xubuntu, manjaro, lubuntu,ubuntu etc. It's free software, it's not linux, so it's not just copy of something else.

>>59810679
basically >>59810693
but here's something that works (to get you started)

 #!/bin/sh

for i in *; do
  ext=`echo "$i" | rev | cut -d. -f1 | rev`
  sha=`sha256sum "$i" | cut -d\  -f1`
  mv "$i" ${sha}.${ext}
done

>>59810679
for i in *.txt; do sum="$(cut -d ' ' -f 1 <<< $(sha256sum "$i"))"; mv "$i" "${sum}.${i##*.}"; done

>>59810750
Filtered

>>59810811

Line 1:
 #!/bin/sh
^-- SC1114: Remove leading spaces before the shebang.
 
Line 4:
  ext=`echo "$i" | rev | cut -d. -f1 | rev`
      ^-- SC2006: Use $(..) instead of legacy `..`.
 
Line 5:
  sha=`sha256sum "$i" | cut -d\  -f1`
      ^-- SC2006: Use $(..) instead of legacy `..`.
 
Line 6:
  mv "$i" ${sha}.${ext}
          ^-- SC2086: Double quote to prevent globbing and word splitting.
                 ^-- SC2086: Double quote to prevent globbing and word splitting.

>>59810866

Line 3:
for i in *.txt; do sum="$(cut -d ' ' -f 1 <<< $(sha256sum "$i"))"; mv "$i" "${sum}.${i##*.}"; done
                                              ^-- SC2046: Quote this to prevent word splitting.

>>59810928
fuck

>>59810901
>leading space before shebang
accidentally added that when pasting
>use $(..) instead of legacy `..`
all of bash is legacy. fight me
>double quote to prevent globbing and word splitting
the hash is only numbers and letters. no quotation needed. if the extension has whitespace or globbing characters, then it breaks, but there shouldn't be. Also, what if the extension contains quotes? Then your suggestion breaks before mine.

>>59810945
This shit may not work in normal shell ( dash/bsd shell)

>>59810945
Quotes are always needed. Don't be lazy. http://mywiki.wooledge.org/Quotes

>>59810945
Better always check you script with shellcheck and checkbashisms.

>>59810945
Please read: http://unix.stackexchange.com/a/171347
Always use quotes.

>>59811015
lmao
>Now, there are some globs that are particularly expensive to expand. The /*/*/*/* one is bad enough as it means listing directories up to 4 levels down. In addition to the disk and CPU activity, that means storing tens of thousands of file paths (40k here on a minimal server VM, 10k of which directories).

>Now /*/*/*/*/../../../../*/*/*/* means 40k x 10k and /*/*/*/*/../../../../*/*/*/*/../../../../*/*/*/* is enough to bring even the mightiest machine to its knees.

>Try it for yourself (though be prepared for your machine to crash or hang):

>a='/*/*/*/*/../../../../*/*/*/*/../../../../*/*/*/*' sh -c ': ${a=foo}'

nice

>>59810736
It's actually fork of the other os.
https://github.com/klange/toaruos/tree/master/kernel

>>59811062
Could you very please stop namefagging? Please.

>tfw posting from gahnoo+hurd

its surprisingly usable these days. Only if it had USB, SMP and sound.

>>59811134
>lying on the internet
0.9 already got sound

>>59811085
Yes.
.00000000000000

>>59811146
Actually no. They're working on it.

with a KISS mentality but also a bit bleeding edge, I would be better off with Debian Testing/Unstable or Fedora?

>>59808951
If there's an overrated linux distro, it's ubuntu.

does "linuxbrew" actually work?
any experiences?

>>59811146
No, it doesn't have workign sound now. They are working on it, but it's not in the "mainline".

>>59811204
Debian sid. There's no point in using fedora.

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>>59811206
I'd just like to interject for a moment. What you're referring to as Linux, is in fact, GNU/Linux, or as I've recently taken to calling it, GNU plus Linux. Linux is not an operating system unto itself, but rather another free component of a fully functioning GNU system made useful by the GNU corelibs, shell utilities and vital system components comprising a full OS as defined by POSIX.

Many computer users run a modified version of the GNU system every day, without realizing it. Through a peculiar turn of events, the version of GNU which is widely used today is often called "Linux", and many of its users are not aware that it is basically the GNU system, developed by the GNU Project.

There really is a Linux, and these people are using it, but it is just a part of the system they use. Linux is the kernel: the program in the system that allocates the machine's resources to the other programs that you run. The kernel is an essential part of an operating system, but useless by itself; it can only function in the context of a complete operating system. Linux is normally used in combination with the GNU operating system: the whole system is basically GNU with Linux added, or GNU/Linux. All the so-called "Linux" distributions are really distributions of GNU/Linux.

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Redpill me on dual booting 2 distributions.

What I'm thinking is shrink the /home of the installed one from the live ISO sat 20GiB and install the whole 2nd distro on that partition and share swap. Not fuck with grub or anything since I already have it and boot and run update-grub. This will work fine right? Am I missing something? I've done Windows/Linux before but never Linux^2 so I want to be sure.

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>>59811290
GNU/Linux*

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>>59811312
chill out man

>>59811290
It will work totally fine. Just don't let the secondary distro install its own grub. Non-retarded distros let you choose where to install the bootloader, including not installing it at all.

t. dualbooted debian+gentoo for years

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>>59808617
What does /g/ think of my new hat?

Any other /g/irls here with cute GNU/Linux items?

>>59811334
I'm wondering what's her favorite distro.

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>>59811325
Thanks I'll go for it then.

>>59811343
My favorite distro is Fedora of course, they are very inclusive.

>>59811334
except that's not you.
https://fedoramagazine.org/

>>59811334
>Radka Janekova is a former game programmer and community manager. She actively contributes to gaming and open source communities. Radka describes herself as: “Currently wearing her Red Hat, inspiring the desolate whitespace of Linux world with the delicate C# letters of simplified artificial intelligence.

>C#

>>59811390
https://fedoramagazine.org/radka-janekova-fedora/

>>59811334
You're cute. <3

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>>59811334

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>>59811415
Thanks! (>﹏<)

>>59811433
pls no bully

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What do you think about Void Linux?

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>>59811478
>when arch is too mainstream

>>59811478
It's a meme. Some software won't support muslc so you'll need to carry glibc alongside it unless you exclusively use software that you can compile. Libressl is a good idea, but why can't other distros use that?

And the systemd decision is mostly philosophical at this point.

The absolute worst part is why do we need yet another package manager in the GNU/Linux world? It isn't even forward-thinking like nix/guix. It's begging to be aborted.

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>>59809143
Fuck, man! Reading this post just took me out of a feeling I was having that somehow I was trapped in some alternate, upside down dimension.
Also Arch user here, and also never had any problems whatsoever with it. System's been up for more than 6 months, and it only broke once because of a grub problem after update. Fixed it in literally 5mins and all else is totally grand.
Then I have this other machine I don't use as much, turn it on every three or four days at the most, and since I wouldn't be able to keep it totally up to date all the time and monitor the system, I though arch or gentoo wouldn't be the call for it.
Thought I'd just put in something every faggot on earth swears by for practicality, and tried to shove a Debian in it.
Can't even finish installing because a part of the installation goes to shit and the fucking system is not even able to give me a proper diagnostic, or write a thorough journal.

I was still keen on trying a bit more, just to see if there was something I was overlooking but
> I installed chromium and found out that they disabled the use of extensions

This has got to be the most retarded thing I've ever heard. Fuck this shit, I'll just look for something else. If anyone has a recommendation for a distro that doesn't require constant updating and still gives me a good strech in terms of tweaking it to my own preferences, please speak up.

>>59811503
top kek

>>59811503
>Arch user here
>broke after update
That's normal.

>>59811496
There are two versions, one musl and one glibc. xbps is fucking nice, but I do agree there are too many similiar package managers. I also tried NixOS for some time and I'll give it a shot again once they get rid of systemd.
>>59811478
I'm using it since a little bit of time and I fell in love with it.

>>59811540
You have to actually install it before you can update it.

>>59811541
>once they get rid of systemd
Maybe try GuixSD then.

The only issue is that everything you install has to conform to their format which is annoying sometimes when you just want to add something really quick, and the main reason why I don't use it daily.

I even tried void for a few weeks and I thought xbps why decent too, but the fragmentation in this community is tiring, and I don't feel like inconveniencing myself further just to have it provide no use to me down the road.

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Why isn't there any simple solution to have thumbnails in GTKs filepicker? How do you guys even find your memes? It's horrible!

>>59811577
GuixSD is also another interesting project. Nix will get rid of systemd as soon as they can if I remember correctly.

I sadly agree with the fragmentation problem. Is bedrock still being developed by that guy? Quite a mundane way to solve the problem, but ambitious nonetheless

>>59811625
> How do you guys even find your memes
Use the force

LOL! I've actually considered getting a Tux tattoo years ago but I didn't. Yeah I but I did think about it....then again I used to drink, smoke and run VLC as root so....

Is iwlwifi botnet ?

>>59811478
I wouldn't recommend it for generic, everyday desktop usage but it has some good uses with embedded, headless systems and virtual machines.

>>59811727
>and run VLC as root

thu/g/ life

>>59811625
by using KDE

Gnome/GTK is for subhuman garbage

>>59811814
>I wouldn't recommend it for generic, everyday desktop usage
How so? The lack of packages in the main repo?

>>59811772
The module itself isn't, the ucode may.

>>59811644
I haven't heard anything about it in quite some time, I'll have to do some research.

>>59811625
https://aur.archlinux.org/packages/gtk2-patched-filechooser-icon-view/

pretty damn easy

>>59810001
adapta

>>59812132
>arch
>aur
>gtk2
nice memes

>>59812132
>gtk2
LUL

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How can I get rid of the text background in ls? (without using --color=never, I do want colored output, just not backgrounds).

The drive is mounted by fstab and I can't seem to be able to change the direcctory permissions (tried chown'ing to my user but it's still owned by root, chmod'ing also doesn't to anything)

>>59812230
change your dircolors

>>59812289
How can I find the exact entry I need to modify?

Must-haves for a 100% meme setup, pls help to complete the list:

>arch

>>59812331
OpenRC

>>59812331
zsh, oh-my-zsh, solarized colorscheme, powerline PS1

>>59812331
i3-gaps

>>59812331
manjaro
alias screenfetch --ascii_distro arch

>>59812331
multi-line, coloured PS1
absolutely no login manager, startx or die
bitmap fonts or fix-width everywhere where possible
latest mainline kernel (generic, with all modules, requires initrd)
no extfs outside of /boot, only brtfs/xfs/similar

>>59812331
231 color scripts

>>59812467
There is nothing wron with color scripts!

>>59812439
I personally like bitmap fonts very much.
- No blurry fonts
- No painful font configurations
- System actually looks like a computer

>>59812328
>>59812289
Nvm found it

LS_COLORS="ow=00;00" ; export LS_COLORS

Thanks

>>59812439
what's your PS1? is there something informative, non-bloated?

>>59812550
the fucking default. It has the two information I need: the current working directory and the user I'm currently logged in as.

Also, stop getting triggered by posts made as a reply on "meme me on xy" posts.
>>59812518
you too.

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>>59808617
Since when is an install so simple?

Ubuntu (or Debian) + xfce4 core components + noto fonts + arc themes. I like being able to have simple installations but tinker when I want to. When XFCE finally supports wayland it will truly be a great time to be alive.

>>59812550
PS1='\[\e[35m\]\W\[\e[m\] > '

Should I go with AMD or Nvidia for gaming on Linux?

>>59812849
GNU/Linux*

>>59812849
AMD because they are fully supporting their open source drivers.

>>59812849
>>>/v/

>>59812856
*Linux

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>>59812880
GNU/Linux*

>>59812856
I'm not using GNU though, just Linux.

>>59812892
*Linux

>>59812892
Please stop assuming my software stack.

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is it possible to make one keybind start urxvt in tiling mode and a different keybind start urxvt in floating mode in i3?

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>>59812901
GNU/Linux*

>>59812913
*Linux

>>59812868
AMD drivers are shit. What now.

>>59808617
Hello so I've been playing bandit on overthewire, I
got to a level where you have to decode a base64
string to reveal the password.

I easily did that and got the password but it led
me to the question I want to ask you guys:

How would you identify if a file or a string of text
within a file, is in fact encoded with base 64?

>>59812920
Works on my machine.

I just installed arch on my notebook and now i can't acess bios via F2 or try to boot my usb on F8 anymore. When i power up my computer the gnu grub appears immediately, i can't even see the bios screen. What should i do?

where are the logs that journalctl reads?

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Hey /g/, what's the best lightweight and user-friendly distro for daily use?

>>59812930
They work on mine too. At ~50% of their Windows capacity.

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>>59812892
GNY "plus" Linux

>>59812940
that's what you get for falling for the arch meme

>>59812923
$ man file
>>59812918
$ uname -o

>>59812953
Lubuntu or Xubuntu

>>59812918
GNU/Linux*

>>59812973
>$ uname -o
>using a biased FSF app in this argument
please leave

>>59812997
*Linux

>>59812940
that's strange; just try hitting the button quickly after powering up; otherwise you could remove the cmos battery and reset the bios; or change the internal harddisk

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>>59813023
GNU/Linux*!

daily reminder that using GNU/Linux is incorrect as it does not refer to the whole stack that a sure might use

I'm a fan of Gnome/GDM/SystemD/GNU/Linux personally

>>59813038
*Linux

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>>59813046
What we say is that you ought to give the system's principal developer a share of the credit. The principal developer is the GNU Project, and the system is basically GNU.

If you feel even more strongly about giving credit where it is due, you might feel that some secondary contributors also deserve credit in the system's name. If so, far be it from us to argue against it. If you feel that X11 deserves credit in the system's name, and you want to call the system GNU/X11/Linux, please do. If you feel that Perl simply cries out for mention, and you want to write GNU/Linux/Perl, go ahead.

Since a long name such as GNU/X11/Apache/Linux/TeX/Perl/Python/FreeCiv becomes absurd, at some point you will have to set a threshold and omit the names of the many other secondary contributions. There is no one obvious right place to set the threshold, so wherever you set it, we won't argue against it.

Different threshold levels would lead to different choices of name for the system. But one name that cannot result from concerns of fairness and giving credit, not for any possible threshold level, is “Linux”. It can't be fair to give all the credit to one secondary contribution (Linux) while omitting the principal contribution (GNU).

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>>59813046
>gnome
gnu
>gdm
gnu

>>59813057
GNU/Linux is similarly long and absurd.

You can run Linux without GNU. Can you run GNU without Linux yet?

New thread: >>59813088

>>59813081
Yes, thanks to Win10 (but do you really want that?)

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>>59813081
It only takes a second to say or type “GNU/”. If you appreciate the system that we developed, can't you take one second to recognize our work?

>>59813141
So GNU cannot live without a host? Is it a parasite?

>>59813154
Who's to say I'm even using your system?

>>59813026
i already tried all the buttons and none of them worked. i will try these 2 other options later, i got no equipment here for it right now

>>59813081
You can run both without each other, but this doesn't change that GNU + Linux systems are GNU + Linux systems.

>>59813166
Are you drunk?

>>59813183
wrong thread?

>>59813154
I appreciate the system. I don't appreciate nameshit.

>>59813154
>It only takes a second to say or type “GNU/”
Why so ableist?

>>59813236
The systems name is GNU. It existed 10 years before Linux was even a thing. Linus started the nameshittery.

>>59813257
>Linus started the nameshittery.
not Linus, there are more people involved (open source), but yeah gnu existed before linux

>>59813257
Then go work on Hurd so you get all the control over it.
Untill then fuck off and leave the name alone.

>>59813297
>naming your system after a program you installed
found the tech illiterate

>>59813257
Linus only named the kernel.
The first distro was named LGX by Yggdsrasil, and in the end it's the community that decided to call the whole system just Linux.
Probably since Linux sounds better than Linux/GNU/X-windows

>>59813318
>I installed this GNU thingy, so my OS is now called GNU

>>59813339
GNU is the operating system, wake up.

>>59813357
No, it's something that gets installed on top of Linux.

>>59813339
Are you retarded?

Android, called Android: uses Linux, the kernel.
GNU, called GNU: uses Linux, the kernel.
Windows, called Windows: uses NT, the kernel.
etc.

>>59813381
Android is called Android because that's what it's developers decided to call it.

Time for you GNUfags to make your own distro and call it GNU/Linux

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is Fedora a meme distro?

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>>59813725
yes

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>>59813772
>It just works

>>59813725
>>59813772
>>59813833
Is it same shit or Ubuntu, or has some advantage?
I was thinking on getting one of those justwerks(TM) distros just to see why people like them so much, but I hated Ubuntu only time I tried it

To whoever recommended elementary os: I hate this shit why would you ever want to use such a clunky and admittedly ugly de? GROSS

>>59813772
>justwerks
worst term in tech

>>59813866
Fedora is a "testing ground" for Redhat, it's also very "libre", so you need to tinker with it to get stuff like mp3, proper font rendering.

I recommend you try OpenSUSE, it also uses RPM, but is overall better than Fedora (imo)

why did this thread just jump from over 326 to 296?

What do you recommend as replacement for Honeyview as an image viewer and for reading mango?

>>59813923
Thanks, man. Will take a loook.

>>59813944
based mods deleted the anime bickering up top

soruce: I got a warning for it

>>59813970
I see, thanks, thought I'm seething things now

>>59813979
you are, just not this specific thing

>>59808617
LOL at freetards

What's a good way to partition a disk for a Linux installation, if I want to be really anal about it? Alternatively, can someone spoonfeed me to some link/article/resource talking about this? Thank

>>59815450
Separate home partition is the main thing to d

>>59815502
And if I have an SSD and an HDD, is there some best practice to follow to extend the lifetime of the drives (I don't know, put /var on the HDD or something) or should I just stick everything I can fit on the SSD?

>>59815562
Lifetime is not a problem with modern SSDs, put everything on it.

>>59815562
Honestly, modern SSDs will last a fuck ton of time
Mine (850 Evo) has been my main drive for over 2 years old now, I wrote well over 15 TB on it, and it still at about 95% life left

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>>59815681
>>59815647
Alrighty thanks guys, /fglt/ is as friendly as always

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>>59815739

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>>59813772
>that pic
sadly fedora is the only distro that I can get to boot/install successfully on my thinkpad 11e

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>>59815873