/wt/ - Watch Thread

>>59790625
>tfw no modern tuning fork movements

De Bethune was working on a magnetic resonance kinda thing, but that was years ago. Who knows where that is now.

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>>59790577
>>59790617
>>59790625
> posting low-beat movements

>>59790821
If only it were possible to use those super high beat movements as the primary timekeeping mechanism.

>>59790838
agreed, shame they don't run more than 5 minutes or whatever

>>59790617
i have that watch its a beautiful time piece

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>>59790922
agreed

What year is yours? My '66 turned 50 last year

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Ex NEET here. I've been getting counselling and have been immersing myself to real life and the responsibilities it brings for the past 6 months. I am still not quite there and need to work on a whole list of things. I want to motivate myself by setting some goals and I wish to make one of the rewards one or two quintessential watches. Sadly, on a student budget only. Let's say a total of $150? Happy to buy used (AUS)

I currently only own a Timex Expedition (cream dial) and 2 Casio beater watches (W59 and W800H). I would love to own an automatic watch. Can someone recommend one or two interesting auto watches to consider? I was thinking of a Seiko auto field watch and a Bambino dress watch. Or maybe a Rodina? Thanks friendos.

>>59791101
those are perfectly good choices. at that price range you can't go too wrong with Seiko and Orient and there aren't a lot of other safe choices. You can always try to pick up a cheap used vintage watch but odds are it would need a $200 service. I wouldn't recommend the Rodina; aside from sounding like a Harley Davidson, its design is likely to get old faster than the Seiko or Orient.

good luck anon.

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Soon™

>>59791101

S A R B
A
R
B

Oh and get sarb033, 035 is for shitters.

>>59791538

The crown guard ruins the design. Too bad.
Also, what are those kind of straps called?

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>>59791630
Just looks like a regular leather strap. The crown guard is fine with be to be honest, less noticeable with the rotating bezel (since it adds 1mm of diameter).

>>59790625
magnetic gears fuckas
how can frictionerds even compete

There any good cheap chink pocket watches that show off clockwork?

I love the look of clockwork in motion but cant justify the price for something that would be deskart at most.

>>59791538
The Delphin is way better, when is it coming back?

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>>59791843
Not for many months, at least. May as well just send halios an email asking when they'll do another run.

Why is Seiko considered a shitter?

>>59791953
It isn't. Some of their cheap pieces maybe, but there are great seiko watches too.

Anyone modded thier SARB?
I want to replace the hands with non lumed ones.

>>59791630
I think they're called vintage straps.

I'm looking for that link to buy the rep Sinn U1, it looks better than the original.

Anyone have the link?

>>59790944

What size is that and where can I buy it new?

>>59792593
>it looks better than the original.

Not hard as Sinns are ugly as "sin".

>>59792616
The newest accutron 214s are 4 decades old now. You're not buying one new unless you luck out huge and find a NOS piece.

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>>59792593
>>59792619

>reps are good enough to be sources for out of stock parts for vintage pieces.

>There are many ways to spot a counterfeit Sinn vs. an authentic Sinn. Unfortunately opening up it's caseback and looking at the movement would probably be a more difficult way to do it.

>I have personally seen reps in the past that have had genuine ETA movements verified by a watchmaker. Like I said, scary stuff...

>it seems verified that the "swiss" ETA movements are indeed asian replica movements

http://forums.watchuseek.com/f24/wow-sinn-reps-out-there-scary-341227.html?highlight=fakes

http://www.thedivewatchconnection.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=1639

>>59792619
Lmao

>>59792626

WTF is that company's problem? Why don't they produce more?

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>>59792799
Bulova got bought by citizen, and the machines used to make the tuning fork movements were scrapped a while ago. Quartz sort of took over as the alternative to mechanical movements. The accutron IIs you can buy now are essentially fancier quartz movements with a 16bps second hand.

They had a hell of a time trying to reverse engineer their own watch for the 50th anniversary accutron. The technology in these tuning fork watches is still amazing even compared to todays technology.

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>>59792626

This is the closest new model I can find

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What's the affordable yet still respectable version of pic related? I want it so bad but $20,000 is ridiculous

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>>59792884
Pelagos?

>>59792884

rep from noob factory

>>59792902
too big also too expensive my budget is around $1000

>>59792910
>rep
*fake

Are there any sub 40mm Bulova watches worth looking at?

They seem to cater more to the obese market with their 45mm moon watch etc.

>>59793095

It's not a fake because it's a replica. It's not sold pretending to be the real thing. Everyone involved in the transaction is aware it's a replica of the original. It's more honest than homages that are just ripoffs.

>>59793117
I can buy that argument for defunct brands, and where the item has a distinguishing feature somewhere that makes it recongizable as a replica.

But a Rolex "rep" is just a fake, made to mislead people other than the original buyer

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Rate my new watch /wt/

>>59793117
That's not what replica means, or how any of this works.

>>59793160
yuge/10

>>59793117
>It's not sold pretending to be the real thing.
It is, if it has the original branding on it. If it was a "replica", it wouldn't have the trademarked rolex logo on it.

>>59793117
you need to leave

>>59793160
Aliexpress shitter?

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>>59793117
You can go fuck off to your """""""""replica"""""""" forums if you're so obsessed with everyone thinking you own a real Rolex when you're actually too stupid, poor or impatient to get the real thing.

At least someone who has a Steinhart can say "well I like Rolex design wise and this brand makes something similar looking at a good price", whereas someone buying fakes are a fraud themselves otherwise they wouldn't specifically buy an unservicable, illegal, shitty counterfeit purely for the logo and markings so they could try and trick people into thinking they're something they aren't. Real watches can show an appreciation for horology, history and craftsmanship, fake watches show you have no sense of dignity and are perfectly happy to be a phony so long as you maybe get one person to ogle at you when they see the word "Rolex" on the dial.

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>>59793589
Nope, has an ETA. Yours for the low low price of €2000, honestly don't know who buys that sort of thing.

https://www.poljot24.de/en/aviator-7750st.html

>>59792910
>>59793117
"rep" is a fake
Fake is for faggots
FUCK OFF, YOU FUCKING FAGGOT
LEAVE THIS THREAD

>>59793694
>unservicable

Not true at all for many of the clone movements.

>illegal

Not illegal to buy them.

>shitty

Only if you buy a shitty replica, many of them are practically indistinguishable from the original.

I know it breaks your heart that your entire hobby is essentially a scam and that people in China have essentially managed to prove the entire industry worthless by producing a 90% as good product in tiny workshops under constant threat of getting shut down but it's true. Your hobby is a scam,

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Thoughts?

>>59793851
>integrated bracelet

Very few watches can get away with that, and a meh tier, dadcore bulova isn't one of them.

>>59793694

FUCKOFF LYING SHILL

THIS IS WHAT THE LAW DEFINES THEM AS:

Totally legal. Correct.

These aren't actually counterfeit goods.

To be a counterfeit good an item must not only resemble another in every way it must also be sold or possessed with the claim that it IS the other item.

For instance.
Let's say you buy this watch from one of these on-line sites. Your receipt will clearly state REPLICA Rolex as they are selling it to you while clearly informing you that it is not real.

If you then went and sold this watch and told the buyer it was a REAL Rolex it would then be a counterfeit watch because you would be attempting to pass it off as the real thing.

You could even re-sell these watches legally as long as you call them REPLICA Rolexes.

The intent to deceive the buyer is a big part of the definition of a counterfeit.

>>59793832
>that people in China have essentially managed to prove the entire industry worthless by producing a 90% as good product

I would never buy a rep but I love this fact

swiss meme needs to end. Seiko could've killed them in the 70s if they didn't ban them from COSC competitions

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>>59793832
Chinkshit fakes are only even minimally convincing if you don't care at all about the quality of the movement used inside the watch, and only care about convincingly copying the surface appearance of the watch well enough to try and steal the perceived social status that comes from wearing it.

That is to say that fake buyers are complete fucking plebs with zero interest in or regard for horology. You should be embarrassed to publicly admit how shallow and cringingly status seeking you are.

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I've just looked this automatic Citizen diver at a local watch shop and it's being sold for 150€. I've never seen this model before, stunning imo. What do you think?

>>59793946
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=P_ZTqC2Yxxs

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>>59793885
>THIS IS WHAT THE LAW DEFINES THEM AS:

What "Law" retard? Every country has different legal systems and even individual states within the US will have varying penalties for, yes, BUYING counterfeit goods. Furthermore fake watches are, the world over, violations of intellectual property rights and if you get caught companies like Rolex have a legal right to press for a civil suit in most jurisdictions (which they have done repeatedly).

But by all means go tell a cop your computer is filled with copyrighted movies that you've pirated and when you get in legal trouble you can have fun screaming DUDE THEY'RE JUST REPLICA MOVIES BRO WHAT ARE YOU DOING??!?!?

The fact that you're even defending this shit speaks volume about you. The fact that something you do may or may not result in fucking criminal or civil punishment does not magically make it an acceptable practice. If you found a loophole in your city's noise ordinances and then decided to blare air raid sirens all day going BRO THIS ISN'T ILLEGAL CALM DOWN doesn't make you any less of a douche.

>>59793946
You should be embarrassed to claim to be a fan of watches and so clearly have no idea what you're talking about when it comes to clone watch movements. Many of them are far more impressive technology than the supposed """"real"""" brands that cost many times the price because of their insane markups. I understand that you want to convince yourself you haven't wasted hundreds or thousands of dollars on inferior products but that is literally what you have done.

>>59794037
Well I'm not really sure about the legal things surrounding these things but if the anon above just liked the design he could have bought a homage which looks like the real thing but is sold by a different watch manufacturer.

A CH ward Trident would be an OK pick I think.

>>59794061
Anon while they may look like the same thing from the outside the caliber inside often leaves things to be desired. For example does that noob always confirm to cosc and has less then 5SPD?

>>59794061
Are you the chink anon?

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>>59794037
>varying penalties for, yes, BUYING counterfeit goods

There are no laws against OWNING reps.

Many states still have laws against sucking cocks but that never stopped you.

>>59794105

>>59794070
>A CH ward Trident would be an OK pick

A classic example of something that would cost twice what a replica would but have a worse movement. The a2824 and a2836 ETA clones which would be what is inside a replica diver are essentially the same movement but the replica would cost $300 where a CW costs £700 new which is an absolutely outrageous difference.

Fair enough buy an Orient Mako or Ray if you want one but if you do a direct price comparison for what you're actually getting with similarly priced competitors the replicas are almost always far better value.

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What do you guys think of the seiko pilotmaster?

>>59794119
>replica

There's that word again.

btw I know your parents don't really make an issue of this but your greasy ponytail really looks awful.

>>59794105
No but I worked in Shenzhen for 7 years which is the home of pretty much all of the replica industry (of any product, cars, electronics etc). They've improved a lot in a short time in almost every area, in fact many companies who start off as straight up copycats go on to produce genuinely great products of their own once they've learned how to do it themselves.

Genuinely believe we're around 5-10 years away from a lot of these small independents making money from fakes blowing apart the industry by making superior products for a fraction of the price. While it's true there's a lot of shit there as well, there are so many at it the quality will rise to the top.

>>59794169

Bulova Moon Watch is more authentic

>>59793832
>people in China have essentially managed to prove the entire industry worthless by producing a 90% as good product in tiny workshops under constant threat of getting shut down
This is a good thing, but they need to focus on making their own brands instead of copying and faking mountain people watches.

I mean, there are decent chink chrono movements for under $100 and fucking tourbillion movements <$1000, but still no variety in using these movements?

>>59794184
I see the similarities but I don't like the shape of the body

>>59794061
>Knowingly and deliberately lying
Typical of the fraudsters who buy and sell Chinkshit fakes. Show me a Rolex 3135 "clone" with an actual free sprung balance, idiot. It's a little more complex than a dogshit ETA 2824-2 clone.

>>59794235
I'm obviously not comparing a $300 replica to a $10,000 rolex you berk. I'm comparing it to things of the same price and up into the thousands which offer fucking shite technology in comparison with outrageous markups.

>>59794235
>Typical of the fraudsters who buy and sell Chinkshit fakes. Show me a Rolex 3135 "clone" with an actual free sprung balance, idiot. It's a little more complex than a dogshit ETA 2824-2 clone.

Shit, just show me a Rolex clone movement that doesn't break down in a year or can even be COSC certifiable.

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>>59794182
I've been hearing this "5 years" since forever. I've seen magnified comparisons of the ETA, Sellita and TC versions of the 2824 and the chink one is rough as fuck.

Also they're just yellow animals not actual people, they can't into R&D apart from skeletonizing their horrible Tongji monstrosities.

Does any factory still make a decent commie-tier Tongji even?

>>59794271
The difference in quality over the last 5 years is remarkable so I don't know what you're talking about. It's happened in plenty of electronics fields already so I don't know why you think watch movements are somehow immune.

>>59794271
>it's not white so it must be inferior

lmao you entitled trump rednecks are in for a rude awakening this century. you can't even outcompete an illiterate mexican, much less asians

>>59794282
>low-end garbage electronics and memenicals are the same
Okay kid. I sure can't wait for rep movement to be the same amazing quality as those Chinese PCB's I keep having nightmares about.

>>59794288
Alright, Zhou Enlai. I'm sorry too you can't be Japanese.

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>>59793987
Pretty much same model, I'd save up a bit more and get a NY0040 if available. Its more or less the same miyota automatic movement but with divers 200 WR, ebay prices and your price are arbitrary

>>59794380
>Cleetus tries to be condescending when he's just clueless

this is too funny

>>59794254
Oh, so you actually mean that Chinkshit fakes can sort of adequately copy grossly overpriced ETA shitters? Congratulations.

But why would you want to throw money away on Chinkshit fakes of watches you should be embarassed to own the REAL of?

>delusional chinks lovers

Never seen a chink watch above the potato chips surprise quality.
They'll never improve to an acceptable level as long as the whole purpose is to produce an imitation keeping the production cost on the dollar.

>>59793832
>I worked in Shenzhen for 7 years
And you haven't realized that the whole chinese economy is a bubble? One slow fella.

>>59794397
No, he is right. Chinkshit mainland locust scum don't even believe in quality control or in not ripping off the customer.

Every supplier in a Chinese supply chain will cut corners, lie cheat and steal unless you send a non-subhuman there to watch their factories and make sure they dont sell you plastic rice.

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If your watch is bigger than this on your wrist then you're a tryhard insecure faggot.

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>>59794427
>if asians do it they are subhuman
>if whites do it they are badass hustlers

yawn. those cases are just whites butthurt a minority had the audacity to outsmart them.

>>59794397
>ching chong ping pong harro prease china stronk!
Alright Kung Pao, don't you have some smog to breathe or newborn girls to drown?

>>59794169
Dressy as fuck.

>>59794427
>>59794409

>reps are good enough to be sources for out of stock parts for vintage pieces.

>There are many ways to spot a counterfeit Sinn vs. an authentic Sinn. Unfortunately opening up it's caseback and looking at the movement would probably be a more difficult way to do it.

>I have personally seen reps in the past that have had genuine ETA movements verified by a watchmaker. Like I said, scary stuff...

>it seems verified that the "swiss" ETA movements are indeed asian replica movements

http://forums.watchuseek.com/f24/wow-sinn-reps-out-there-scary-341227.html?highlight=fakes

http://www.thedivewatchconnection.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=1639

>>59794409
Asspained post-purchase rationalized detected

Sorry you're lead by your emotions, bro. Hope you find your way out of fag-opause soon.

>>59794182
I saw that episode of Top Gear too

>>59794488
>Obviously you won't get the tegimented steel or quality materials/movement but it is scary knowing that there's reps out there for something even like this
First line, first link.

>>59794494
Lol I don't even wear watchs, getting pretty defensive aren't you?

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We should ask Hirohito to ban all PRC addresses from posting on /g/.

Pic related:
>vintage Rolex
>current production Rolex
>Rolex rep

>>59790577
This Timex Unisex T2N647 "Weekender" you guys recomended me is holding up like a boss

>>59794513
In Top Gear they went to Beijing where there's a fraction of what goes on down in the PRD lad. All of that stuff is down in the south and particularly in Shenzhen. If you ever want anything fake go here and whatever it is you're after it'll be there.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Luohu_Commercial_City

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Replica of Rolex Submariner Ref. 5517, which was produced in 1975.

Like the genuine, the replica Rolex Vintage Submariner 5517 features a black matte dial with encirled “T” that indicates its military use.

Most parts for all current """""Swiss""""" movements and cases are made in China, just like this replica.

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IMAGINE MY SHOCK

http://forums.watchuseek.com/f20/genuine-omega-parts-made-china-1053699.html

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How about we ignore the troll and talk about real watches instead?

After wearing my 116223 Datejust for a few days I've been really blown away by how much I like the design of the pre-current model 36mm Datejust and how much I like the way it wears on me.

It has me seriously considering a blue dialed 16200 at some point, as the 16200 has the narrower lugs and the classic rectangular batons.

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Tons of parts are fabricated in China and assembled in Switzerland. In order to have the 'Made in Switzerland' designation, the watch only needs to derive 50% of its VALUE from Swiss origins. MOST OF THAT IS ADVERTISING SPENDING.

Anything can be made to a high degree of quality if a good QA/QC system is in place, no matter the origin. Much of the Swiss mystique stems from good advertising. Citizen and Seiko also do tons of manufacturing in China.

Is the Speedmaster the only Omega worth getting desu?

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DO YOUR HOMEWORK BEFORE YOU CALL PEOPLE TROLLS FOR STATING FACTS

http://www.ablogtowatch.com/swiss-made-mean-whole-lot-more-watches-2017/

Today, a watch can legally be considered to be Swiss if all of the following are true:

a) its movement is Swiss,

b) its movement is cased up in Switzerland and

c) the manufacturer carries out the final inspection in Switzerland.

A movement is Swiss if at least 50% of its value (excluding cost for assembly) has been realized in Switzerland and if it has been assembled and "inspected" by the manufacturer in Switzerland.

>many brands and OEM manufacturers have figured out – and have been harnessing – ways to trick the system and legally label watches as Swiss Made, despite the fact that an extremely small fraction of their value has been generated in Switzerland.

>Sourcing movements and other key components (cases, dials, hands, etc.) from the Far East is a common method: assembly kits of entire movements are manufactured at an incomparably smaller cost in China, Thailand, and other locations which, along with the other components, are shipped to Switzerland for assembly.

>>59794806
The only new model, yeah.

>>59794806
Depends what you're after, if all you want is something flashy that people around you know is expensive then you're fine with any of them. If you want something with history that is actually well finished and not a worse version of something made by another brand then the Speedmaster Professional (none of the other speedmasters, unless you have child tier wrists then maybe the reduced) is the only thing currently being made that is worth it.

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Which should I get? A twotone 36mm rolex datejust, or a JLC master ultra thin moonphase?

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>>59794806

If you want a Chinese watch, yeah

>>59794843

Both look gay

>Mountain Jew designs part
>emails plans to chinese fabricator
>"just press "start" on the automated CNC machine you gook monkey!"
>"Hai, Misuta Goldstein-sama!"
>part gets mailed back to Switzerland
>Swiss worker assembles the watch made by automated Western machines "operated" by barely trained fleshbags who have a yellow outer layer
>Swiss man does Swiss-spec quality inspection of product assembled by Swiss worker according to Swiss plans
> = CHINA STRONK!
The delusion is strong with Chinky.

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G-Shock is an autism wat-

>>59791963
Seiko will not earn you any respect from horologists. They don't have a classic design, all just copied and pasted from European watches.

>>59794692
That datey in the pic is SEXY AS FUCK. I don't usually like blue dials

>>59794843
If you like both designs I would go for the JLC. A two tone DJ on a jubilee is VERY 80s you're willing to put it on leather.

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>>59794881
(You)

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>>59794468
>trying to paint China as backwards when hickland USA is more misogynistic racist and dumb

this is the trouble when whites actually start believing their own deluded horseshit. lmao go fuck your sister cleetus. oh wait she's busy being with tyrone haha

>>59794843
Jlc is way more versatile. Two-tone datey just screams "yuppie", "80s" and "american psycho". If that's precisely the thing you want, then go for it.

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can someone post the chart that shows the different tiers of watches by price? ty

>>59794922
Don't the mainland chinese literally just take shits anywhere and everywhere

>>59794872
>he's scared to put in a reply now because he keeps getting btfo

lmao you just admitted everything you worship is made in china while greedy swiss just laugh at you for buying into the swiss made meme.

>>59794843
One is tasteful, one is camp

But I like both

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Another thread ruined by fake faggots

Fuck this bs these threads are normally comfy af

If you own a fake you are a loser and your father is disappointed in you

>>59794922
you again. stop trying to spread your propoganda here.
It's all down to personal choice. You can't force women into jobs they don't want. Get back to tumblr, communist.

>>59795033
>got btfo
>uhh tumblr!

haha sad. go back to your echochamber where you belong. shoo.

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Shut the fuck up everybody and post your shitters now

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>>59794843
Both are good choices.

Personally I like the JLC moonphase more. You also might like the Rolex Cellini 50535 that just came out.

Usually I don't recommend Cellini stuff but this is really nice and I think this will be a rare collector's piece from the Cellini line.

I lost my SKX. I kinda just want to buy a new one but the price increase turned me off.
How's ray ii compared to SKX?
I head orient screw down crowns are shit.

>>59794922
I'm not even American, you desperate gook. Go take your kid for a walk to Tienanmen square, lest he shits on the carpet through the hole in his pants.

>>59794987
Lol who even cares about you? Don't you have Tibetans and Uyghurs to oppress?

>>59795157
>I lost my SKX

How does that work?

Given the difficulty of this question, additional time has been granted.

You have five (5) minutes, to explain the appeal of Panerai.

No cheating, right shoulder pencils. Time starts now.

>>59795167
He went to the neckbeard convention, took it off when he went into the steam room with the other fatties and when they were done he couldn't tell which one in the pile was his.

>>59795064
>haha sad. go back to your echochamber where you belong. shoo.
How fucking ironic. You can't even attempt arguing against people. You resort to implying people are autistic every time.
EVERY SINGLE FUCKING TIME.
Feminism isn't about female empowerment. It's about controlling women.

>>59795200
Celebrity endorsements, marketing, and bold, oversized, simple designs.

>>59795200
They're is for people that want to impress their trendy, hipster, upper-middle class friends but don't really care about horology or craftsmanship.

In that market section their appeal is quite apparent.

>>59795161
Zzzz so boring and dated

Go die off somewhere you retard gramps

>>59795200
>>59795236
I should add that they also specifically targeted the noveau riche who knew nothing about watches prior to getting some money, and did so at a time when Rolex was at its most pasee.

>>59795218
>Other developed countries have equality
>America still doesn't
>implying you weren't btfo already by plain facts

hahaha no wonder people think of you as retarded rednecks

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>>59795087
That is the first Cellini I've seen that isn't horrible.

Have to agree on the two tone DJ also. The only way I can handle the look is on leather.

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Anyone know how to fix the lid spring on these? It's too weak on mine

>>59795261
>Other developed countries have equality
What kind of la la land are you living in

>>59795261
America has equality. Most of the world has equality. The only few countries that don't have equality are islamic countries.
I have a feeling you don't know what equality is. Equality is when 2+ groups are legally the same.
Under US law, there are no laws that treat men and women differently. There are no 7 trillion genders and sex = gender before you try to catch me out on that

>>59795272
>That is the first Cellini I've seen that isn't horrible.

Honestly I would say it's the most beautiful moonphase I've seen other than ones from Vacheron Constantin. Even beats the Patek ones IMO.

>>59795167
I got drunk

>>59795216
kek

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>>59795249
What kind of lame comeback is that?

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>>59795261
>>59795249
>>59795064
>>59794987
You came to the wrong thread fucker.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=50q8t8Z81DI

>>59795390

Your butthurt is interplanetary

>>59795390
Kek'd at the pic. Good job anon

>>59795071
How does it handle low temperatures? I saw a video of a guy freezing his new 007J and it lost 30min in the few hours it was being frozen

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>>59795071

>>59795452
About minus 20 degrees celsius is the lowest temp i've been with it. Haven't noticed any problems. Mine is the K-version

>>59795452

That's why I buy 90% quartz watches. I live in Finland and it gets to -45 Celsius in winter.

Neither google nor the guide in OP gave me anything, so here goes. I need a sturdy adapter for a zulu strap, and everything I can find online is either resin or plastic, both of which sound like they'd be flimsy as fuck. I've read in one of these threads way back when I was asking for watch advice that you can get stainless steel adapters, but I've literally spent the last hour going through hundreds of pages of search results with no luck.

So do those things actually exist? And if so, maybe someone could help me out with a brand name or manufacturer? I'd appreciate any info.

>>59795555
That's not how it works. Even russian arctic military personnel uses automatic Vostoks and they work just fine.

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>>59792616
My Accutron 214 Spaceview is 34.68x40.03x12.83; they came in a couple different cases. Production ceased during the quartz crisis over forty years ago.

Used accutrons are widely available on ebay and are remarkably reliable for how old they are and how wild the technology is. Buy from a reputable seller and you'll likely be fine. Though, good luck getting it serviced if it needs it.

The biggest problems an accutron can face are the coils being burned out and the index wheel teeth being sheared off. The coils can theoretically be fixed although more likely you'd have to replace them with NOS parts or a donor movement. The index wheel would have to be replaced with NOS parts (to this day, how Bulova managed to manufacture them is a trade secret); once the global supply of index wheels for Accutron 214s dries up, they're gone - no one is manufacturing more.

>>59791749
>gears
>still using mechanical parts to count anything in the year of our lord MMXVII
When will people learn?

>>59795523
Oh -20c is definitely a lot more than my travels. So it would probably be fine until that point, thank you
>>59795555
I cant not witness those quads, but I already have Casios for really extreme conditions and am in the market for a cheap quality diver
>>59795623
Yeah but they use them mostly because they are dirt cheap and domestic. I've had amphibias and komandirskies and they were all worse than my '68 AS1130

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What's the best watch for ~$2000?

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>>59795636
> still using a physically vibrating oscillator like a hairspring, tuning fork, or quartz crystal

>>59795452
Effects of extreme cold depend largely on the oils used. I think Seiko uses their in-house greases on their watches.

I think Moebius does make some oils meant for arctic conditions.

>>59795730
You never buy anything good why do you even ask?

>>59795738
D-do you know me?

>>59795730
Grand Seiko or used Rolex

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>>59795636
>he doesnt know about EMP
>he probably doesnt even know about solar flares
>Anno Domini MMXVII

Some people

>>59794692
I am a sucker for blue dials. Looks good bro.

How's is running accuracy wise?

>>59795751
>D-do you know me?

Yes.

But yeah I am curious why you ask the question if you aren't interested in actually spending that much.

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>>59795775
You're scaring me. Who are you?

>>59795737
Heh, I'll be happy to find a watchmaker in my area that isnt a battery monkey, much less someone with high-end oils

>>59795786
They call me the Shitter Whisperer.

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>>59794806
If you can pick up the chronograph Railmaster that is also good as its based on a piguet 1185 which is used in very high end watches, AP VC etc.

Otherwise yes only the speedy will be worth it as it will hold value and can always be sold easily

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>>59795735
>ultra accuraty atomic timekeeping
>not full-arabic dial
What did he mean by this?

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>>59795798
Lahey

>>59794843
JLC no question. Better watch, more elegance.
>>59795087
Wow I agree that is actually nice for a Celini

how and why the fuck are used rolex's only like 85% of retail?

what kind of stupid fucking prices are these??????

>>59795887
what

>>59795899
subs for example retail for around 7k
used prices are 6+

explain this shit

>>59795910
supply and demand

>>59795910
people like rolexes?
what do you want from me here

>>59796009
im just saying that these prices are too high. almost every other brand drops substantially from retail, omega, jlc, etc

speedmasters new are like 6.5; minty used run 3-3.5
jlc master control new are like 6.4; minty new are around the 3.5-4

rolex sub new is 7
used are 6.2-6.4

why go the used route if you can just go to an AD or a boutique and see if theyd cut you down a couple hundred and youd be in the same range +- like 300$ buying used? it doesnt make any sense

>>59796227
sure, though consider how hard it is to get a discount on a rolex at an AD, compared to almost any other brand.

>>59796227
Rolex watches are meant to be a status symbol first and foremost, since it's all about showing others that you're not a poorfag. As such, they need to remain expensive and out of reach for most people in order to maintain that status.

Which is also why they're for fags, but that's a different topic.

>>59796267
yes youre right that its a lot more difficult to get a discount for a rolex, but i imagine if you offer cash, you should get a minimum of 5%, no?

and if you manage to get 5% off, you within 3-400 of the current market prices for the same watch on the used market, which is my entire point

is what it is

>>59791538

Excited for an ugly ass watch.

What are some good watches for a virgin?

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>>59796388

>>59796227
Rolex carefully manages how many watches they sell, you can be on a waiting list for a while for some of their stuff, especially at the cheaper end.

>>59793160
Wrong wrist

>>59796501

Yes, a limited run of only 100000 pieces coming out an assembly line.

>>59794922
>implying incest and interracial marriage are just as bad as killing your own daughter

>>59796506
I wear my watch like that as well, since I'm a lefty and having it on the left fucks with writing by hand. And it just feels wrong. I assume that's anon's case as well.

>>59796506
Actually it's on the right wrist

Do seadwellers have a perpetual calander?

Cause they say "perpetual date" on the dial.

>>59796670
Since perpetual=automatic in rolex parlance it almost certainly does not.

>>59796690
So they're lying as bad as chinkshit watches then

>>59796670
"Oyster Perpetual Date"

It's describing the case, winding mechanism, and complications.

>>59796702
No? They aren't saying perpetual calendar, they're saying it's a perpetual (automatic) watch with date function.

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>tfw 6 month waiting list

>>59796740
Nice of them to give you 6 months to rethink your terrible taste

>>59796725
Where's the comma then

>>59796740
Nice bait. That dial is horrendous anyhow.

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>That lume
>In house movement
>unique reverse cali dial
>correct roman numerals
>€1000

Brst watch of 2017, hated only by seiko/vostok autists and middle aged men

> sinns and panerais are so basic owners are panicking over fakes that look exactly the same, have the same movement and are basically the same watch.

Loooool

>>59796790
I got a watch on my wrist with an "in house movement" that cost £30. I don't know why this thread wanks over them so much.

>>59796790
(You)

>>59796790
I would like it if it didn't have that ugly as fuck dial, buddy.

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Ah yes

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>>59796790
HOMOS

>>59796790
>>59796740
There is literally nothing special about it or absolutely any reason that it costs more than $300

>>59796849
>my meme got a derivative

:3

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Thinking of also picking up a Nomos perlon strap for this beaut.

>>59794428
maybe you're a insecure faggot ever think of that??

>>59796923
I'd rather have fake posting than see this shitty watch again and again

>>59796470
Underrated.

>>59796388
modded skx

>>59796470
Kek, i see what u did there

Are we being raided? These threads used still to be comfy just like a week ago. ITT ridiculous amounts of fake-posting and /pol/-tier shit.

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>>59797028
It's been horrible the last couple of weeks. There appears to be a concerted effort by multiple people to shitpost these threads into the ground.

The only thing to be done is to ignore the shitposters and continue talking about watches.

I'm wearing this 5206-6020 today because I'm trying to figure out which 5206 movement(s) and cases I want to keep and which I want to sell.

The movement in this one is running really nicely. Amplitude is a bit low, though that's common on vintage Seikos, but the accuracy is pretty amazing for a 45 year old mid range watch. Easily between -3 and +5 SPD in 6 positions.

>>59797028
Someone has decided that fake watches are going to be their hill to die on. They'll move on eventually.

>>59797092
> which I want to sell
stop teasing me

>>59796558
That's cool, I just meant the buttons are on the right side so it's meant to be worn on the left wrist.

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> watches that aren't mechanical are trash
> watches that aren't electronic are trash
> watches that aren't digital are trash
I got you

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Just got my Maratac mid pilot today! Sapphire crystal and ISA Swiss quartz movement for $140. Movement is pretty interesting, it sort of 'sweeps' at 4Hz.

I wanna buy a G-SHOCK, any tips for a G-SHOCK virgin?

what kind of people wear Junghans watches?

>>59794600
I'll bite.
If you're going to post a fake, post one that could alteast pass for the original.
The 5517 was commissioned by the SBS, with a small number also going to the SAS. Omega received a similar commission.
The encircled "T" indicates the presence of Tritium, a radioactive element. Law required that any radioactive elements be declared clearly on the dial.

>>59797306
People with good taste? I really like the Junghans Max Bill watches

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>>59797302
Buy this one and only this one.

>>59797319
good, I really like that one too
would it be an acceptable watch to wear on formal business occasions?

>>59797306
Too poor for Swiss but want to pretend to be better than seiko owners

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>>59797226
> ISA 9500-1010
> fly-by-wire time setting
> minute hand only advances once every 20 seconds
what a weird movement

>>59797414
Sure, though keep in mind that Max Bill watches wear large, due to their all-dial design, flattish lugs, and sometimes really surprising thickness.

>>59797388
I quite like that design but I prefer the JDM blackout variations.

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What makes them thing they can charge this much for a watch?

>>59797442
thanks.
my wrist size is about 7.1", does that mean I'm okay?
>>59797439
I could afford a way more expensive watch, but I don't like how most watches look, plus I've never worn one in my life

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redpill me on mvmt watches

heard about this from my weekly anti-trump podcast

>>59797551
you'll probably be fine, though feel free to tell which specific watch you're looking at. Regardless of your wrist size, Max Bill watches will probably be acceptable for an office setting, but are by no means dress watches or formal watches.

>>59797592
FUCK FLUMPF AND FUCK WHITE PPL

you should def buy a mvmnt watch tho. or a daniel wellignton, nomos, etc. take your pick, nu-male

>>59797614
they all look the same to me, really.
Well, I definitely need a dress/formal watch, anything you can recommend me?

>watches are a representation of oneself
>leftist
>inquiring about shitters

really activates my almonds

>>59797592
>>59797656
>>59797716
>>59797771
>>>/pol/

>>59797716
why gloat over the deep state controlling the country, it's bad

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>>59797704
I think of a dress watch as
> Thin
> White or silver dial
> Indexes or roman numerals
> No complications (moonphase is okay, date is borderline)
> Black leather strap
> Precious metal (stainless is okay; no brass/plastic/plated steel)
> 39mm or smaller
You probably shouldn't let some random on the internet dictate to you what defines a dress watch or which dress watch you should buy. But if you feel like it, given it sounds like you aren't interested in Swiss, I might recommend a used GO Senator given what you've implied about your price point.

>>59797121
I'm sorry to say that odds are I won't be selling the 6020 case, since I realized it takes the same crystal as the 6060 and 6120.

This means I can put the sapphire crystal and blue dial in the 6020 case rather than the 6060 case. Means I'm more likely to put the gray dial back in the 6060 case and sell IT rather than the 6020.

I havent been here for a while so is the fat canadian with the black SDGM still here?
I fucking love the dial but it's double the price of a sarb and uses the same movement. Do you still have it? Any complaints?

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dont know shit about watches, but are there any similar to pic related? the ww2 bomber aesthetic.

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>>59797941
Yeah I'm still here and I still have it, I just don't wear it that much because I've gotten more into vintage Seikos. My only issues with the SDGM are it being 40mm instead of 38mm, and the 6r15c not being a 4s15.

It's worth the price increase over a SARB because the dial, case and bracelet quality are on another planet from the SARB.

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>>59797975
>ww2 bomber aesthetic
Not sure I really know what you're talking about but consider Graf Zeppelin; they are a decent quartz brand, owned by the same folks as Junkers (which I guess you might also like)

>>59797994
that dial

>>59797864
There is no deep state. There's only Obama holdovers Drumpf hasn't replaced yet because he's too busy golfing with his tiny hands.

>>59797994

Thanks dude.

>>59796849
The original was fucking gay and so is yours

Vintage seiko plaid man opinions on seiko seahorse in good condition?

Max price to pay on an auction?

>>59798415
Which movement? 66xx?

>>59790577
Wtf happened to Nineball havent been here for a few weeks I miss him ;_;

>>59797893
thank you, I'll look into it.
I value opinions on the Internet more than IRL - because there, everybody will try to sell you something, one way or the other.

>>59798578
I'm watching a 66-8010 and a 66-8980 and a lord matic 5606-7070

>>59791841

I believe all current production chink pocketwatches are of a skeleton or partial skeleton design.

>>59792784

the term is "fake" or "counterfeit", not "rep".

>>59797028
Ikr it's since nineball left imo
Where did he go

Someone buy this.
Fuck, do I wish I had some money lying around right now.
http://www.ebay.de/itm/Seiko-Chronograph-Automatik-7018-7000-/332171474492?&_trksid=p2056016.m2516.l5255

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>>59798875
>192
are you kidding me

>>59798951
Didn't even notice it.
Welp, good thing I'm poor.

>>59798752
>ninefag leaves
>spammers appear
FUCK OFF ANONYMOUS NINEFAG

>>59797028
/csg/

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Why would I want to wear some stupid bracelet that shows me the time in a hard-to-read format (analog) when I have a smartphone in my pocket that I carry everywhere that gets the time straight from the internet?

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>>59791841
I picked this up in Camden markets in London for 6 pounds when I was travelling, before I was really into watches

>>59799086
>analog
>hard to read

>>59799086
>hard-to-read format

anon, if you're mentally retarded, there are going to be a lot of things you don't understand, not just the reason everyone wears a watch.

but don't worry. you're not expected to contribute to society through work, so you don't really need to know what time it is anyway.

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>>59799095
Doesn't even hold reserve for 24 hours.. Probably not even 12. But hey I'm just impressed you can get brand new mechanical timepieces for under 10 quid, chinkshit or not

>>59799120
Now that I see it, my chink pocketwatch has better numerals than a kilobuk nomos ie
>>59796923

>>59799086
Pulling your phone out at a formal event is considered bad taste.

Wait, what am I talking about? You probably haven't left your house in years

>>59799149

that's not all that high of a bar. the crippling weakness of HOMOS is its unbelievably defective aesthetic design.

>>59798951
That's actually not especially low for a vintage Seiko, especially since it's not dial up or dial down.

>>59798687
From what I have been able to see, you should be able to get a 66xx sea horse for $100 or less. I'd avoid a 5606 as it is a lowbeat version of the 56xx and has the quick-set that will likely eventually fail due to the plastic gear cracking due to age.

>>59796849

10/10 clapback

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Customs still taking their time with my Suwa 5 Actus (and a Citizen Cosmotron). Good thing I have my Daini 5 Actus that I've been spamming here.

WRUW4, /wt/?

>>59799509
something american

>>59798951
older japanese movements (not sure if the high end ones count too) were designed to have an amplitude of around 220

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>>59799509
Still waiting for this to come back from service

Can't wait to see the cosmotron, anon

>>59799351
>>59799609
Thanks, did not know this

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What kind of brown leather strap would suit this Tissot?

>>59799684
calfskin, red stitching

>>59799374
Thanks. Quick set is already broken on lord matic lol.

Seller says it advances at midnight but it's locked to jap date

>>59799609
>>59799665
My 5206-6020 (the gray sunburst dial) gets about 220 degrees dial up.

My 5256-8010 (the King Seiko Special) gets about 280 degrees dial up.

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>>59797226

I owned a Maratac. It was a great little watch. The only watch I've ever received compliments for, strangely.

>>59799900
link to watch stands?

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After 2 years the Chinese plastic strap broke on my meme watch. What strap should I replace it with? I'm leaning towards nylon.

>>59799937
watchstandsforshitters.com

>>59799986
you hurt my feelings, anon

>>59800016
use promo code : UrbanGentry for 15% off at checkout

>>59800042
kek

>>59799958
Nato for full meme

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>>59799937

I bought them in WUS.

Some guy there sells them. You can ask around.

>>59799986

That Citizen served me so well that I still regret selling it.

I banged it around more times that I can count and not once did it scratch. It was at the bottom of rivers, in jungles, and places with below -15 temps.

I wore it every day for many years and not once did it malfunction.

>>59800141
lol mate i dont care
theyre still fucking SHITTERSSSS

>>59800141
> some guy on WUS
doesn't narrow it down too much, but better than nothing :) thanks anon

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>tfw no gyrotourbillon

> /r/watches
> multiple luxery watches posted daily

>/wt/
>shitters

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>>59800308
>Luxery

>>59799958
Nato

If you want a metal band just get an a168 or a158

>>59796923

Love this watch. Better investment than a Rolex.

>>59800272
saw this in the jlc boutique in vegas
so dope

>>59797226

Link?

>>59800462
not him but I do have google
https://countycomm.com/products/large-swiss-quartz-maratac-pilot-watch-by-maratac

>>59798051
>Junkers
exactly the aesthetic i was looking for, and they're relatively cheap thanks!

>>59800542
yw
post pictures here when you get them

Value and Rolex??
Rolex price increases have exceeded inflation rates by a ridiculous amount. Look at the msrp of the SS Sub in the mid 1980s to how it is priced today and account in the inflation rate. One could even argue the build materials and cost of production is generally unchanged. If any thing, its more automated now and cheaper to produce by today standards.
It went from a reasonably priced divers tool watch to a luxury priced watch. Its not even close to the price point and demographic it was initially intended for. The Rolex value days are long gone. Their resale value tanks like any other watch in its field. The bubble burst on the SS Daytona and any precious metal Rolex depreciation value is deplorable. The days of the "investment" Rolex is long long gone. We Rolex owners went from making a profit if we purchased in the 1980s and wanted to sell in reasonably good condition to breaking even if we purchase in the 1990's, to loosing money if you purchased in he last 10 years. Its only getting worse. Sure, you can sell a Rolex fast but only if you are willing to take a major beating.

The closest thing you can find to a modern day value watch would be the classic Planet Ocean only because its resale value is only going up and it was under priced when introduced.

>>59800632

"investing" in collectibles is idiot-tier.

> expecting a used item to go up in value

Lol?

>>59800632
>planet ocean holding value over rolex
What the fuck am I reading

>>59800750
Common with luxury watches.

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Imagine paying $20,000 for this.

What are some GMT watches I need besides Rolexes? Holding out for gold on those.

>>59800858
>Common

No?

The only watches that go up in value are rolexes from the 1940s with original boxes and papers.

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Hmm could this possibly be franken?

>>59794645
>http://forums.watchuseek.com/f20/genuine-omega-parts-made-china-1053699.html
That is insane. Omega must be way behind the curve doing this.

A lot of companies have been burned by Chinese business ethics that is not having much. Chinese suppliers have been caught copying the IPR including know-how and trade secrets, and run night shifts for own sales. Mildly burned Western companies have then tried to shift manufacturing but discover suppliers talk more together than they should and negotiations turn out pretty impossible and implausible.

This is known as Chinese 50 - 50 venture: the first year you lose your 50 percent, the second year you lose the remaining 50 percent.

Trying to enforce intellectual property rights is a fool's game. China has signed TRIPS but enforcement is a joke. And if you stop a company it re-materializes a few days later in another province.

So what companies do now is to transfer manufacturing to Vietnam, small enough that they simply have to respect TRIPS agreements.

So, Omega doing operations in China is simply a complicated way of transferring out a lot of IPR and committing corporate sudoku.

>>59800909

if it is, i'll be shocked. almost definitely a redial with fake parts, not a franken.

>>59794645
>>59800922
This snobby attitude to chinese manufacturing borders on racism 2bh

>>59800909
Why are their so many franken citizen 7s and Seiko 5s on ebay?

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>>59800944
fuck up chink. the day you start implementing decent QC and not stealing and undercutting your way through life then you'll be taken seriously

until then, get back to knitting my underwear boy

>>59800944

Then racism is good.

>>59801005
You're on /g/

Every part in your computer was made in China.

QC was good enough for those.

>>59800922
>Maybe to the naked eye many recent replicas look great, but the replica dials under a 10x loupe show poorly finished markers and logos

>Literally admitting that replicas look the same

NEW NEW >>59801040

>>59801024
yes and I indeed possess a Xiaomi phone.
But I purchased that knowing the QC is garbage.

If I buy a "SWISS MADE" Omega Speedmaster I don't expect the parts to come from China

>>59794922
You don't believe Chinese "official" figures, do you? Please let me know if you do. I have a bridge to sell.

>>59800632
Rolex has been able to increase their prices so much without hurting demand because the rest of the Swiss production makers have totally given up any attempt to match their quality.

Comparing any Swatchmega to a Rolex in quality or value retention is utterly laughable. Omega's are overpriced mallwatches and every attempted "innovation" ETA has attempted since the 1970s has been a marketing driven disaster or a cynical exercise in value engineering.

>>59800944
>Whooosh!

Well done. You missed the point. Entirely. To spell it out: the problem is not the manufacturing, it is just about everything else.

Been to Vietnam recently? They are putting up factories everywhere with well known brand names, the result of the exodus from China.

>>59800872
That month indicator is fairly clever, I haven't seen many use this one. Oechslin has one that comes close.

Just lose the Roman numerals and you improve even further.


Why do watch designer overload the face with so much gunk??

>>59801548
>Why do watch designer overload the face with so much gunk??
The first impression. The buyer is looking for percieved value. A bare, bald dial would be a turn-off.