Ryzen 5 - Ebuyer Prices

>AMD

It's DOA shit

Nobody should ever have a reason to not buy Intel, they make better processors without forcing the consumer to have a soldered IHS, so Intel actually gives you the option to remove the IHS, something that makes AMD shit

Also AMD just sucks, they lied about the TDP and it will set your house on fire

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>>59763942
wtf is wrong with your font rendering

>>59763955
5 poos has been depositted to your loo

>>59763942
1500x and 1600 are pretty much priced in direct comparison with the i5 7600 and 6600k

But 6 cores for £220 is tasty.
Hyperthreaded Quadcores at £170 is nice too.

>>59763958
probably linux

Looks like I'm going intel. 7600's are 235AUD right now

Thanks op

>>59764012
looks more like windows xp desu

>>59763955
>t. pajeet

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>>59763955

So are the motherboards unfucked yet?

>>59764038
Asrock offer the best. Supposedly still working on 3600Mhz support
MSI I believe have got the highest memory speeds, but BIOS bugs means the chips don't perform as well in games compared to Asrock
ASUS are shit
Gigabyte I've heard nothing on.

That 1500X looks juicy as fuck to be honest.

>>59764051
MSI B350 boards working at 3200 with all QVL ram on latest bios. You can DL the manual from MSI. I believe reasonable priced g-skill and corsair ram kits are on there.

>>59763942

>>59764051
The ASUS anhero board is shipping with 902 bios now. Took me all of 3 seconds to get my Samsung B die chips to 3200mhz 15/15/15/36. I don't have anything to compare it to though.

>>59763942
link?

>>59764114
http://www.ebuyer.com/store/Components/cat/Processors-AMD?q=ryzen+5

>>59764124
thx
>>59763942
ok so 1500x has 16MB L3 now? why the fuck the review I saw it said it has 8MB. Also with its TDP is 95W, wew lad.

Sorry, is that euro or Gbp?

>>59764164
>ok so 1500x has 16MB L3 now? why the fuck the review I saw it said it has 8MB.
Was that review going upon the generalised early Ryzen info?
I do recall seeing from early "leaks" that R5 would feature ~8MB L3

I also think that the 1500x will run well within that 95w TDP rating, considering the 8 cores keep to it fairly well.

>>59764181
>Being american
£ = GBP
€ = Euro
Totally similar looking, eh famalam?

>>59764198
I'm Australian

>>59764210
Then you've no excuse to be so ignorant.

>>59764113

do a firestrike test senpai.

>>59764217
You're the one who's being ignorant.

Anyway, that 1500x is priced as same as the locked 7600 @3.5ghz

Nah thanks, I am gonna grab i5 7400, seems better for my workstation pc than these poos.

Intel works out cheaper

>>59763942
Good prices, and superior at pretty much anything pootel has to offer.

>>59763942
If you do any work other than gaming, then they are insane value for money.
You can build some real powerful video editing pc's for far less money than before with these CPU's.

>>59764387
AMD is worse for photoshop, virtual machines, web browsimg, no iGPUs so I need a fucking graphics card in my workstation which I dont have to buy at all with Intel cpu.

So Intel pc is CHEAPER in the end.

>>59764425
>more threadan is worse for VMs
WHAT the fuck did I just read?

>>59764425
wat

>>59764464
>hurrr threads is all thet matter for VM
you can't get proper IOMMU on anything but one (1) expensive ass rock MB atm

Any info on the rx500's?

>>59763942
>190 gbp = 223 eur
Kek I can get i7 k for less

>>59764568
this
shit is way too expensive

ab350 gaming-3 gigabyte, any good? i dont have money for taichi..

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>>59764588
>>59764568
Cheapest i7 I'm seeing is £260 m8s
Not sure where you get your numbe- Oh, right, your asses.

>>59764588
>>59764568
Actually, the only Intel worth considering at that price bracket, would be a 7600k, which is by no means bad. But you're missing out on 2 things.
>Efficiency
Which Ryzen is a more efficient Arch, we know that as 8 core products are producing the same TDP and drawing little to no more power than quad core i7s.

>Threads
Says it all.
Games are topping out quad cores now. Gotta consider that they may not be enough anymore.

>Muh budget workstation!
No one gets a quadcore for a workstation, that's why Xeons exist.

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>>59764627
Forgot pic

>>59764627

E3 Xeons exist for a reason, so I guess people get quadcores for werkstations.

>>59764425
>>>/v/

>>59764627
idk why you wrote all that bullshit
price:performance is all that matters and is all AMD is good for, it's been this way for danm near ten years now.

and their price is just too fucking high.

Man, I can't wait until we get them here, can't wait to see some $9362589345234789768532 AUD price tag for the lowest end thing
>hey look at me, I made the joke of AUD being shit again :-D

>>59763958
stop avatar fagging with this slut

>>59764815
Uk anon here. You may pay higher prices, but if I'm not mistaken your wages are quite good and standard of living higher? Plus you've got some beautiful women.

I don't know, I've never been to Australia

>>59764557
6000 in 3dmark about 15% more than 480
slightly faster than 1060

>>59764855
>higher standard of living
almost every animal out there is out to kill them

>ebuyer

do not buy from them, they'll send you DOA shit and when you send it back they'll reject the RMA saying that there's nothing wrong with it

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>>59764855
it ain't bad if I had a job, but being unemployed is fucking me up
supposedly, the average income is 1300 per week, with housing at about 400 per week, so shit ain't bad, but then also factoring in having to provide for family, and other bills, on top of saving for anything in the future that comes up, money gets pretty tight
>pic related is the cheapest i7/i7x on peeceepartpicker

>>59764635
for the reason of giant L3
not a reason anymore

>>59764887
>130w housefire
lol

>>59764933
Honestly, I've been contemplating it solely for 8 threads, but the TDP is definitely putting me off.

>>59764733
>it's been this way for danm near ten years now.
don't you mean thirty years, my underage friend?

>>59764940
well intel is gonna release a new platform soon, and from the rumours i've heard, i5s will be 4c/8threads and i7s will be 6c/12threads.

might be worth wait fagging.

>>59764975
And then in a few month AMD rolls out Zen2 with moarIPC and moarghz and you wait again and then Intel releases something new, and so it goes.

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post yfw ryzen 5 is 2+2 and 3+3

why the fuck didn't they make 4+0

>>59765135
> And then in a few month AMD rolls out Zen2 with moarIPC and moarghz
Compatible with old AM4 motherboards but maybe with minor performance or feature loss

> and then Intel releases something new
With new motherboards, new memory and mandatory new psu incompatible with atx

>>59764975
Well, I've mostly had my eye on either i7 3820, or an FX8320
the motherboard choices and prices are unfortunately weighing in for AyyMD's side, with just those 2 processors alone
Ryzen 5, if it's cheap enough here, and if it has actually decent rendering performance, might just buy into the AyyM4 memetherboard

>>59765196
It makes no practical difference.

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>>59765196

>>59763942
is it faster than a 3570k? by how much?

>>59765196
You can't have a 4+0 6 core. Also what are they suppose to do with a ccx with a defective core, throw it out?

>>59765196
We already know they're 2+2 and 3+3, but what we know now, that we didn't know on R7's initial release is the impact that higher speed DDR4 has on performance.
With 3200Mhz DDR4 Ryzen is near as makes no difference, the same as Skylake.

Though I'd like to see low power and mobile chips be 4+0 as opposed to 2+2, but I understand why they're doing it.
An R7 is just 2 quad cores on the same die, with an interconnect. So why take a quad core out of the R7 production, when you can cut off the faulty cores and use 3+3/2+2 instead.
This also means that you don't need all 8, or even 6 cores, to be perfect, which means high yields, which means lowered production costs.

>>59763942
Hexacore 16MB has the multi thread headroom to last

>>59763955
the reason people need to remove the ihs is because intel uses bird poo for thermal compound

soldering the ihs is better than using tc even if its not silver solder

>>59765196
they want same performance across the board..

if 4+0 ryzen 5 quadcore will beat ryzen 5 six core and ryzen 7 in gaming..

>>59764051
is ASSrocks QC still really bad or did they finally get their shit together

>have (tried) to use 2 boards from them one was doa the other only lasted 3 months

>>59765397
>if 4+0 ryzen 5 quadcore will beat ryzen 5 six core and ryzen 7 in gaming..
It wont.

>>59764190
>>59764164
Not sure, currently with disabling cores on the 1700+ you also disable 2mb of l3 while what amd could do is just remove the core and not touch l3, so instead they have 4mb per core or close to it.

we know which way it is happening yet?

>>59765433
so AMD shill trick me again??

>>59764551
Yeah, that's totally the fault of AMD
kys shill

>>59764164
>7700k's 91W TDP wew lad
>using more power than the 8c/16t 95W TDP 1700X
Dumb fucking shill.

Not knowing shit about Ryzen can be excused since it's new. But everyone should know those 7700ks easily put out over 135W stock. Why the fuck do you think a 150w TDP cooler is considered the minimum capacity for overclocking them even slightly?
The fucking NH-D15 that everyone recommends so highly is a 220W TDP cooler.

>>59764425
>my shit PC is cheaper
no shit, poorfag

>>59764607
Those are nice prices on the 6700k, really.
Way better prices on the 4790k than in the USA too. Wtf.

>>59764633
Ryzen 4c/8t still compete nicely against those i5s, though.

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>>59763955
Possibly the most retarded, most obviously shilly post maybe ever

>>59766087
>7700ks easily put out over 135W stock
>rated at 91W
>i7 7740k is to be rated at 112W
really fires up my neutrons, anon

>>59763955
>Intel actually gives you the option to remove the IHS
Enjoy your Delidlake followed by Refreshable next year poojeet

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>quad core with 8 threads

oh, it's not 8 core?

>>59765397
This is the real reason it's done.

They'd actually be able to salvage more CPUs on average if they had gone with 3+3 and 4+0.

The likelihood of there being more than 2 defective cores on one CCX and at least 1 other defective core on the other is low.
The likelihood of 2 defective cores on a CCX and none on the other is lower. In which case they can disable the whole CCX.

This is just guessing, but there's math behind it that I can't bother to write out.
But they went for 2+2 so the 4+0 wouldn't sometimes out perform the others.

Later on though when the APUs come out they will likely either release some "Athlons" that are 4core and higher performance than the 1400 and 1500X in gaming on average.
Or maybe they'll be called the Ryzen 5 1450 and 1550X.

>>59766131
higher TDP rating with no iGPU.
Maybe they're just rating it properly this time because their 91w TDP lie was BTFO so hard?

>>59766174
But even with it being 2+2 which is a bit gimped in some gaming, mostly at lower RAM speeds, it's still good value.

And if games actually optimize for the dual 8MB L3 cache in the 1500X and higher, it could actually perform better than a 4+0 with a single 8MB L3.
And for most productivity tasks, the more cache is usually better.

Boy, imagine if Intel had invested in giving more cache instead of a fucking iGPU. 6MB of L3 on the 7700k is stupid. Same fucking L3 that sandy bridge had.

>>59764014
>4c/4t
>2017
Hope you're looking to upgrade within the next year, famalam.

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>>59766174
shit's got me concerned to buy a new CPU anytime soon desu
rocking my toasty AyyMD Housefire™ CPU

>>59766115
307 gbp is $382, so unless you enjoy paying more for an old product at launch, it's not a good bargain at all.

>>59766236
Huh? It says 285 bong not 307 in that image.
Considering VAT and how much weaker UK's currency is, that seemed alright compared to Australia and shit where they pay literally twice as much as the US for an RX480.

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>>59766258

>>59763955
> they make better processors without forcing the consumer to have a soldered IHS, so Intel actually gives you the option to remove the IHS
Actually Xeons and HEDT CPUs have a soldered cap.

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>>59766268
or this one

>>59766273
Oh right, woops. Right they're like $340 here so that's not great nvm.

>>59766280
6700k was $300 here in the US 2 weeks or so ago. Now it's back to $340 :-(

>>59766258
I was about to call you a faggot cunt and hope you died tomorrow, but it's actually pretty fucking close to twice as much

$340 for the cheapest 8GB 480 on AUS pcpartpicker site
$220 for the cheapest 8GB 480 on USA pcpartpicker site

>>59766339
There was 8GB RX480 for $150 in the USA or even cheaper all of last week.
You had to jump through very minor hoops (buy giftcards that give a digital key within minutes, and wait for rebate) but pretty worth.
So that was more than twice as much.

Cheapest right now is $200. Plenty of options in the $210-$220 range.

All you faggots that claim you got a 480 on discount from Jet are lying.

>>59765531
>BAWWWWW MOBO MANUFACTURERS SABOTAGE MUH AMD
eat shit and die poojeet

>cpu is $189
>requires $400 653200 ram kit to match i3 perfs
>100MHz oc before it reaches thermal limit
>4c/8t with 25.5Gbps "data fabric" link bottleneck
>software must be specially taylored for the CPU or will suffer perf loss
Yeah, I'll stick with my 2600 for a couple of years. Glad AMD matched IPC of 5 years ago's intel.

>>59766497
you can add
>requires $200 MB which is out of stock or enjoy gimped VM support

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>>59766497
Gotta get them shekels. Keep it up.

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>>59763955

Starting to feel that 7700K buyer's remorse kicking in?

>>59766630
Yeah, like I'm happy AMD fucked up once again, I love spending $300 for a decent CPU...

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It's cute to see the idiots who fell for the i5-for-gaming meme stepping up for the IDF rather than on suicide watch. Stay strong you guys. Stay strong.

I'm sure your 4c/4t will totally stay relevant over the coming months. The old i3-for-gaming meme worked out well for those dual core guys, right? Right?!

>>59766738
>doesn't know what hyperthreading is
Back to /v/.

>>59766738
I'm sure all these software makers will do their programs with AMD design defect in mind.

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Ryzen is positioned to really change up the midrange between that sick hyperthreaded pentium and the 7700k. I think it will be a really good buy for gaming builds in that range. SMT and cores tend to make chips last much longer. Idk I see how people were disappointed with the r7 line, even though I personally wasnt, but this budget line offers a really strong value.

>>59766548
$200 motherboard for that many powerful VMs is a great deal. The fuck are you talking about?

What VM build are you making that's as good yet cheaper? None, you dumb fuckhead that doesn't know shit and just regurgitates some senseless shit he heard elsewhere.

>>59766761
He obviously knows what hyperthreading is, since he said i5 and 4c/4t.

No i5 have HT, you retard.

I still I cannot get over the sick gayming HTed Pentium joke by Intel. A few years ago this would have been a blatant troll job. And the shilling just makes it worse.

>>59764287
>4C, 4T, Locked
Are you autistic?
Also, do you not know what IPC is? Comparing clock speed across architectures is not a good comparison.

>>59764551
You could only utilize IOMMU if you're running a type 1 hypervisor, anyways, so putting it in there with all of the other media-related things isn't very relevant.

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>>59766861
I guess you were talking about me because I called it sick. I bought a i3 6100 for a budget build last summer, the pentium is very similar performance wise for half the price. At that price range it's hard to beat it. It's for poverty builds. Well have to see the price on the low end r5 chips and r3. People had no problem suggesting the 6100 for poverty builds so I'm not seeing how the pentium is a joke.

>>59764551
You mean there's finally a board with proper isolation for PCI devices? Which one? Plz respond

>>59763942
Depends really. What about the competition?

>>59766909
Do you not know what clock speed is?
Do you not know what SMT is?
If you were autistic, you might understand these things better and know that the i5s are dogshit and SMT outweighs any minor IPC advantage outside of heavy AVX2 use.

Nice to see some actual competition in the CPU market again. This is a good thing for everybody but the worst Intel shills, and I see they're out in force today.

>>59764968
no they used to compete on the high end before, with stupidly overpriced shit just like intel.

>>59766548
Are you talking about X370 boards in general or are you referring to a particular AM4 board that's better for use with VMs than the rest?

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>>59763955
>forcing the consumer to have a soldered IHS
thank you amd

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>>59763942
Literally no reason to buy Intel's stuttering garbage housefires.

>>59766842
He obviously believes threads are cores, which is absolutely wrong.

>>59767852
I see no indication of that in his posts.
Two threads on a core just makes the core able to keep work going through it instead of stuck in wait states, which is similar to a large IPC increase when utilized.

>>59768057
Yes he does believe it's more core, it shows because he believes gaming related tasks take advantage of hyperthreading, which is far from the case. Worse, CPU cache sharing in hyperthreading causes lots of data thrashing (and consequent perf loss) when you're not doing highly parallelized work like scientific calculus or things like that. That's why hyperthreading is great for parallized tasks and can have adversarial effects on non parallized tasks. That's also it's advised that you deactivate HT when gaming.

tl; tr : you're the retard.

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>>59768138
Uhh the vast majority of AAA games from the past 3 years utilize hypthreading pretty well.
It's about a 30-35% performance increase with it if you take the average of all AAA games the past 3 years with HT on vs off when not GPU bottlenecked.
In many cases, it's a ~50% improvement in minimum framerates.

>tl; tr : you're the retard.

>>59767011
They are probably talking about the Taichi, which supposedly works pretty well with ACS patches.

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>>59768281
This protocol is shit because the procs don't have the same cache size. It should have been a 7700k with HT on and off. Like on pic related, which is testing a 6700k with and without HT. On your image, it is most likely the cache size which increases perfs.

In gaming related scenario, you do get benefit from HT when using a retarded GPU like a Titan but with midrange/highrange GPU, the effect is marginal.

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>>59768138
>he believes gaming related tasks take advantage of hyperthreading, which is far from the case

>6600: 61 average, 42 minimum
>6700: 75 average, 55 minimum

>"games don't use hyperthreading"

Damn, it must be all down to that 100MHz clock bump on the 6700 then.

>>59768466
Effect of bigger cache size.

>non ironically testing effect of hyperthreading with 2 different CPUs
>not just deactivating HT
See >>59768464

>>59764016
Nah I run XP and even my font rendering isn't that bad

>>59768464
>posting GPU bottlenecked benchmarks
Kill yourself, dumb shill faggot.

Choke on your i5 you regret purchasing and are lying to yourself about.

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Hey guys.

If you were this anon, and you realized the only defense you had was to post GPU bottlenecked benchmarks to try and show that two CPUs were the same, then had a sudden realization of how big of an ignorant moron you are, how would you kill yourself?

>>59764425
>have to buy a display adapter
>a display adapter obviously costs 100$+
A 2gb GT710 is what, 40$?
And if you're talking a decent workstation you'd probably want a nice gpu too.

I've got my 1800x paired with a firepro w9100
And oh my god is it fucking fantastic

>>59763942
>unironically being a member of the cUcK

kys

>>59766441
And don't forget that if you're doing 1080p the 4gb cards are plenty for that and they're even cheaper

The 1600X will be a shit CPU, and I am talking about the prices in Europe.

It will be sold for 300€, while you can already get an i7-7700 boxed for 280€.
AMD is no way cheaper than Intel in Europe.

It should be clear that anyone with a half decent brain is gonna buy the i7-7700 for 280€ instead of the retarded 1600X without even a cooler.

>>59768550
These tests are made on a rx480 at 1080p so it's not GPU limited.

>Choke on your i5 you regret purchasing and are lying to yourself about.
I have a 1800, I'm just not a gaming manchild coming from /v/ so I don't give a shit about gaming perf, I'm just talking about effect of HT.

/g/ is a shithole nowadays anyway, barely /v/ 2.0, I read so much bullshit here. Fuck all of you.

>>59768663
>rx480 at 1080p
>not gpu limited
ooooh this is bait

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>>59768488
>Effect of bigger cache size

Oh yeah, that gap is down to an extra 2MB of cache and 100MHz clock speed. Thanks for solving the mystery, anon! You're clearly a smart guy with a deep knowledge of tech.

...Oh wait, no, you're retarded and turning Hyperthreading off on the 7700K makes it perform exactly the same as a 6600K, minor clock speed bump aside.

>>59769268
sandy bridge with hyperthreading at 4.7ghz is better than all that i5 garbage.
l m a o.
Paying $250, $150 for a motherboard, $90 for a cooler for somthing worse than a 6 year old CPU.

Someone's going to invent a good meme for these i5 cucks that's going to be repeated over and over for years soon.

>>59769268
>next to no perf increase between 7700k at stock and 7700k at FIVE fucking GHz
>no perf increase with ryzen SMT or frequency increase
That's a very nice bench you got there, anon.

>>59768585 deserves its own thread

>>59769393
Because it's getting gpu bottlenecked much past 110fps, you technically illiterate piece of shit.

How fucking dumb do you have to be to not know what a GPU bottleneck looks like? It has to be one of the most easy to understand things.

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>>59769268
>one game
>clusturfuck of CPUs
It's easy to test effect of HT, just deactivate it.

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>>59769393
>benching CPUs with GPU limited scenarios

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>>59769268
Well, well, well.

>>59769487
>gaymensanus

come back with a benchmarker who doesn't think putting duct tape under a heatsink is a good idea

>>59763942
>people are suddenly falling for the amd cpu meme

holy fucking shit, you guys must have short term memory. Just wait when these things start failing in after less than a year of use.

>>59769728
My 1.33 tbird still works.
You know this is an 18+ site, right? You get banned for being underage.

>>59768365
Bummer. For a moment it sounded like the two x16 CPU slots were finally isolated separately. I really don't want to mess with the ACS patch. Thanks anyway.