Ubuntu ditching Unity in 18.04

So it only took then 6 years to admit that their desktop was shit? Gnome 3 is worse though...

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>>59757422
>>59757441
bye screen real estate

>>59757422
Why not just kill MIR?
Fucking retards, Unity 7 was actually pretty good and stable, Unity 8 was looking good just replace MIR with Wayland.

>Mark Shuttleworth has announced that Canonical is to end its investment in Unity 8, Mir, Ubuntu for phones and tablets, and will no longer pursue its goal of “convergence”.

So the company is hard up on cash then right?

http://www.omgubuntu.co.uk/2017/04/ubuntu-18-04-ship-gnome-desktop-not-unity

>>59757461
They're killing both

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>>59757450

>>59757422
Gnome 3 isn't bad, but kde is miles better

>>59757422
It seems 2018 will be the year of GNOME on the Linux Desktop.

all these Gnome 3 haters and KDE shillers.

[spoiler]I love it, it makes me feel cozy like in the good old days.[/spoiler]

>>59757486
And what is will happen to Ubuntu gnome once they switch?

>>59757486
>So the company is hard up on cash then right?
And Xfce is the best by far.

>>59757469
>So the company is hard up on cash then right?
No they are just wanting to put their resources into the cloud computing where business is actually growing instead of maintaining a DE that is worthless.

>>59757520
Ubuntu Unity(tm)

>>59757422
Nigger, Unity was a weak rip-off of Gnome anyways. Who cares?

>>59757527
>XFCE
It's the [CURRENT CENTURY], anon

>>59757422
I like Unity.

>>59757450
there's a shell extension for undecorating maximized windows + you can autohide the bar
it's still worse though

>>59757450
>16:9
your opinion is not relevant

>>59757565
It's hard to be better than Unity regarding title-bars, tbqh

>>59757558
Can't wait for Ubuntu Unity.

>>59757565
That's the point I made in another thread, no amount of extensions will fix severe design flaws and incompetent devs.

>>59757469
>So the company is hard up on cash then right?
I don't think so, I think they just had Unity on its last chance and decided to shitcan it, which is a pity because it's all that stopped it being just another Gnome distro

>>59757486
>kde
Just avoid the PIM in general and Kmail in particular. Kmail is a disaster area on an incomprehenisble scale measured on the upper end of the Richter's.

>>59757422
>canonical removed the one good feature from ubuntu

what the fuck is wrong with shuttleworth? is he just massively incompetent or what the fuck is he doing? Ubuntu is such a piece of shit, it's almost like a piece of art, how does one make such a shit OS not on purpose

>>59757553
And Windows 10 looks like a rip off of Xfce 4.12

>>59757539

Unity was a hacked Gnome

>>59757789
unity was compiz + gnome applications

Why use Ubuntu then? Unity was great.

>>59757831
Technically it was a frankenstein's monster of GNOME 3 with Compiz instead of mutter. Gnome shell was just a plugin for Mutter like unity is for compiz.

>>59757481
this. unity is superior and it's a fucking shame that they kill it off. i hope there will be a fork.

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This sucks, I love Unity.

Gnome is a dumpster fire.

>>59757622
ubuntu without unity, well, if i wanted the bloatfest that is gnome 3, i've would installed fedora in the first place.

ubuntu unity flavor when? or uubuntu?

Embrace Debian, you cucks.

>everyone shits on unity
>ubuntu kills unity
>everyone loves unity

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>>59757422
God fucking damnit the only reason I use ubuntu over anything else is Unity.
Back to Manjaro xfce I guess

>>59758139
Unity 7 is crap, Unity 8 on Wayland could've actually been good, but they're replacing it with gnome cancer.

>ITT: typical /g/

You retards know you can install a different desktop right?

Or even only use a wm

>>59758208
Unity 7 is miles ahead of gnome though.

>>59758139
>everyone
You just fell for the meme, unity always was the best de.

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So how is KDE doing these days?
Gnome 3 feels pretty bare bone and MATE is reliable but old.

>>59757756
But that's bullshit, at the most Win10 looks similar to Plasma 5

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It's still amuses me how both Canonical and GNOME were outdone by a bunch of amateurs

>>59757422
the fuck are they doing? unity 7 is lighter on resources than bloated gnome.

>>59757831
What will happen with Compiz now that Unity is dead? Wasn't the developers of Unity the ones of Compiz?

>>59758321
i am asking myself the same thing, i don't like the amount of pointless features and million settings of KDE but it's so much less cancer than gnome/gtk

kwin, krunner, and most of the default qt software is objectively better though

>>59758040
Unity was the main reason I used Ubuntu. If Canonical didn't make it so hard for developers to port Unity to other distros I would have switched to Arch or Debian.

I don't have any major reasons to still be using Ubuntu anymore. I definitely don't want to be stuck using a months old version of gnome all the time.

At least this should help with the fragmentation problem a bit.

>>59758443
I'm not sure if Unity is "lighter" on resources but it's definitely lighter on using screen space.

>>59758321
>>59758534
Plasma 5 now has a global menu.

>>59757422
But Unity was better than Gnome 3 :( :(

>replace thrash by a piece of turd
lol nice decision

>>59758321
Runs well and has been really stable on my machine™

Give KDE Neon a shot

>>59757450

I think you have just found the reason I hated gnome but could never pinpoint it.

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>>59758798
>Give KDE Neon a shot
>align panel to the right
>resize it, make it grow depending on how many widget it has
>right click -> 'lock widgets'
>"plasm has crashed, sorry boi, not this time"
>It automatically reloads, not so bad I guess...
>widgets are locked, PANEL HAS A HUGE FUCKING GAP on the right side, where the menu was when widgets were unlocked.
>try again
>plasma crashes
>a huge gap
>apt remove --purge kde-desktop && apt install ubuntu-desktop

>>59758846
pretty much this or similar happens to me every time I give kde a shot.

Is it any better on something like openSUSE?

Just use Xfce you fucking nerds

>>59758882
Nope, I tried tumbleweed recently and KDE would still randomly crash pretty often when changing settings. But if you really want to see it shit itself, try running it under Wayland! I couldn't get it stable to save my life.

I'd use KDE if it was as stable as gnome, but it's just not there yet.

>>59758846
Does anyone else who used hidpi scaling on KDE find that it doesn't work as nice compared to unity,gnome, or cinnamon?

>>59757422
joint the true DE for patricians

MATE

>>59759081
>t. turbo babyduck

>>59758978
meh I was looking at tumbleweed too, but fuck it then

>>59758978
>tfw it will never get there because there is no kde vision and no interest in having a stable, coherent product like gnome

>>59757422
I haven't used Ubuntu in ages, but the only thing I will be sad to see gone is the HUD. From what little I used of it it had potential to be useful.

My name is jeff

>>59759173
I use it frequently, once you get used to it it's goat.
Hopefully it won't go away.

>>59758365
You can easily make xfce look like windows 10

>>59758439
Cinnamon is really gross and laggy

>hurr bdurr unity is TRASh and it has SPYWARE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Now
>no unity pls stay ;-;

make up your mind faggots

Is there a way to make Gnome 3 not feel like a fisher-price toy with it's colossal window decorations and wasted space?
Is there a good menu extension?

>>59759246
Unity is far better than gnome shell, just look at how much vertical space gnome shell wastes for no reason.

>everyone forgetting that Unity is Free, Open Source Software and will continue living on for as long as people use it

>>59759282
>will continue living on for as long as people maintain it
FTFY

>>59759081
>MATE
gruh-tay buh-tay, muh-tay.

>>59759268
Yes.

>>59759268
No.

Just use Xfce.

Ubuntu 18.04 daily .iso when??

>>59757422
Well this came out of fucking nowhere. Unity may be heavy & ugly but it's a superior to gnome in every single way.

>>59757450
if you want right just fucking install macOS you faggot

>2017
>not programming your os using a free game development engine

>>59759504
>not programming your OS in Scratch

>>59757486
>>59757553
>>59758365
the fucking KDE shills are killing me
>>59757527
this

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>>59758321
Get Xfce + compton or use GNOME 3 + Wayland.
>>59758534
>>59758625
>>59758798
fucking KDE shills get the fuck out with your windows rip-off REEEEEE

>>59758439
what >>59759243 said
all the effects feel unnecessary, there's smooth-scrolling tear. Feels like dogshit on my Intel HD 5500 but somehow works fine on the HD 3000. It's far from being the best but I could use it as a daily.

I guess they don't care about workstation and desktop users. Hopefully they backport and commit to GNOME/Wayland and help the greater good instead of leaching and cruising.

do any of you want a quick blogpost on DEs?
>>59759635
I hope they unfuck the GNOME project. Probably won't happen

>>59758225
Hoy shit. You are retarded.

>>59759646
GNOME is fubar since 2015

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>>59759666
don't worry, Ubuntu GNOME is still stuck there. kek

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>Not using xfce

So this pretty much means GNOME is once again the de facto Linux DE.

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>>59759426
>triggered gnome faggot

>>59757422
Press F Pay Respects

>>59759763
i dont even use linux you fucking retard

>>59758846
>uses KDE NEON
>installs unity on top
absolute madman

>>59759712

>using screen tearing

>>59757450

I kinda want to make gnome look like unity too, for screen real-estate.

Year of Lxqt desktop when?

>>59759776
>i shove muh opinions in a thread that doesn't even concern me
Fuck off pedantic faggot.

It's just a DE, I'll continue using Ubuntu.

>>59759796
When they finally release their damn shit

>>59758321
KDE still feels like a fucking mess and Gnome is utter garbage.

The promise of Unity 8 (Unity written in Qt) was the only thing keeping me from installing Windows 10, but now that it is dead and buried, I rather install Windows.

>>59757422
Unity is shit but gnome is even shittier

>>59757422
It's funny how windows and OSX interface changes over the years seem less drastic compared to Ubuntu's.

>>59758439
>That fucking menu

The problem with linuxfags is that they know jackshit about good UI. If you think that is a good menu your opinion is worthless.

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>>59759829
Fucking this, here's how you do good UI

I always thought it was a waste to develop MIR and just cause more division amongst the community.

>>59757422
>Hated Unity to be replaced by Gnome

If they had to go with a GTK-based desktop, then MATE would have been a better choice.

Basically, MATE would take them back to where they were when they lost their way by going with Unity (about in 2011 I think).

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>>59759808
What I was looking forward to with a QT based Unity 8 was to actually be able to highlight multiple objects in the file explorer in list mode like pic related.

For some reason the GTK developers still haven't implemented the ability to highlight items with the rectangle selection box in list mode. You can only do it with QT based DEs.

>>59759847
Another thing with linuxfags is that when they are proven wrong the best they can do is bash windows.

But just to answer your post I would rather use that outdated Windows 8 than any of your garbage DE's. The only good one was Unity, but it is gone now.

Hated it the first time I saw it, hated every time I was forced to use it. Fuck all those that insisted on remaining on that piece of shit.

MATE is the way to go

>>59759888
huh it works for me in my GTK2 dialog

Well fuck this, No Unity? No glorious Unity 8 written in qt?

Fuck Linux.

>>59757450
This is is untrue and you know it
GNOME has far more screen real estate, far better extensions to enhance and manage that real estate, and far more modularity to it's design language

Unity has always been worse than GNOME 3 in every way on an objective level. It's always been a clone of GNOME 3 that was 2 steps behind and with down syndrome too. Mir was nothing more than a blight on the development of Wayland and everything about the touch interface of unity 8 was worse than windows 8 which says a whole lot

Anybody retarded or contrarian enough to defend unity on any level at any time for any reason should be mocked publicly and often

MY NAME IS JEFF

>>59759947
>this level of denial
Pathetic.

>>59757422
I'm one of those people who use the minimize buttons, put icons on my desktop and enjoy screen real-estate. Conanical better step the fuck up on GNOME 3 or i might just buy a Mac. Linux no longer has ANY good DEs unless you're autistic and use xfce or i3wm. Honestly the Windows 10 with the Ubuntu subsystem may be the next best thing to Ubuntu Unity.

>>59759968
Who are you Jeff?

>>59759907
Are you sure you're not in "icon mode"?

>>59759985
I feel the best desktop Linux DE is the one available on chrome/chromium OS. Stable as a rock. I wish there was a way to install it on other Linux distros.

>>59759999
Strangely enough it works in the dialog, but not in the file manager. And yes it's list mode. However, Thunar has a "compact list mode" and it works there.

>>59757422
Shuttleworth:
> “I took the view that, if convergence was the future and we could deliver it as free software, that would be widely appreciated both in the free software community and in the technology industry, where there is substantial frustration with the existing, closed, alternatives available to manufacturers. I was wrong on both counts,” he writes.
“In the community, our efforts were seen fragmentation not innovation. And industry has not rallied to the possibility, instead taking a ‘better the devil you know’ approach to those form factors, or investing in home-grown platforms. What the Unity8 team has delivered so far is beautiful, usable and solid, but I respect that markets, and community, ultimately decide which products grow and which disappear.”

He still doesn't get it. Unity was a disaster because it "solved" something that wasn't a problem -- it was a single GUI design for both the desktop and mobile.

He still doesn't understand that literally nobody wanted that. (And I mean "literally" in the correct sense of the word -- I challenge you to find even ONE post on any on-line forum where someone said: "I really hate the fact that my smartphone and my desktop don't have exactly the same GUI design.")

It was a valid question to ask: Is it possible to develop one unified GUI that can work on both the smartphone and the desktop? But it takes little time to realize that the answer is an emphatic NO. A mouse click has far better pixel resolution than a finger press on a touchscreen. Organizing stuff on a tiny little smartphone screen is a whole different thing than organizing stuff on two side-by-side 30-inch 2560x1600 monitors. For years and years, Shuttleworth "pretended" that he didn't understand these basic facts, and instead he rammed Unity down the throats of an unwilling user base.

And now that he's dropping Unity, he still has to put on his act of "pretending" that he doesn't get why Unity was doomed on day one.

>Unity 8 was being written from scratch using the superior Qt framework
>All these imbeciles exited about how Canonical now will ship a shitty modified version of Gnome 3

The amount of GNOME shills in these threads is disgusting.

>>59758884
I'll go back as soon as they fix screen tearing and the weird desktop not loading properly when waking up from sleep.

>>59757422
Finally, that Unity shit is over.
Now I can go back to Ubuntu.

Don't pretend that the majority of people liked it. Ubuntu lost a lot of users over it.

>>59760134
Ubuntu with Unity is the most popular distro by you faggot,

Now show me those "lot of users" in numbers.

>>59760134
>lost a lot of users
Excuse me, where is the evidence?

>>59760276
His delusions.

>>59757422
Can you show me the difference between Gnome and Unity?

>>59757450
Tell me how can I make my distro look like the right side

Will I still be able to manually use Unity? I like it by far better than the other shitty distros.

>>59760312
Are you literally retarded?
>>59757450
>>59757481

I guess this is the end of my Linux journey.

Unity 7 was the only DE that had these three fundamental things for me.

>Modern
>Sane Defaults
>No need to waste your time configuring stuff

>>59757422
>gnome
>not kde

why would they go with gnome with xfce is 10x better than that tablet piece of shit de

>>59757422
LoL
KDE users on suicide watch.

>>59760460
MATE is fine

Does this mean that everyone has pretty much given up on the idea on non-android Linux on tablets? That's a pity

>>59757486
KDE is the most useless crap I'ver used.

This is horrible news. I've been waiting for a unity 8 device for such a longtime. I bought a nuc in the hopes to be an early adopter. The environment was shaping up nicely. This is just brutal.

>>59759788
I don't understand this meme. I use XFCE daily and I wouldn't even know tearing was a problem if not for 4chan.

>>59760624
Same here, xfce is comfy af

ALL OF YOU ARE LOSERS LOL

Please, be the fallback version.

>>59760047
>It was a valid question to ask
It wasn't.

>>59758208
> Unity 8 on Wayland
It's was supposed to be on Mir.

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>just changed from windows 7 to ubuntu 16.04
>just hear about unity being dropped

shame, seems like a good DE

>>59757422
Good. Unity was NSA surveillance. Glad that fuckers dead.

>>59758823
This

I was right all along!

>>59759388
Next year

>>59761112
It was a big controversy back in 2011

>>59759999
Quads checked.

>>59761365
Yeah, I'm sure the gnome desktop ubuntu will ship with will be botnet free

Ubuntu Budgie looks nice. :)

>>59759268
F11

We dont have this problem in Windows

>>59758321
DE's have become so shit I'm thinking about going full rice with a tiling wm, or go nostalgia with CDE or WindowMaker, maybe Openbox with the Redmond theme
Configuring that shit to work and look decent would take as much time as doing the same for any current DE

>>59757422
Fuck, are they really killing Ubuntu phones now too? I have been waiting for them to come available with flagship hardware.

>>59757486
If you like ugly, buggy bloat then sure.

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>>59757422
I'm fucking glad that Canonical is stepping back with their cancerous NIH syndrome, that was stupidly fragmenting the GNU/Linux userbase.
Even though they're dropping Unity, it's not going to die like that. I'm almost certain that a few independent developers will pick it up, and keep maintaining it. Maybe it will even stop being so tied to Ubuntu shit from now on, and be easier to install on other distros.
Not that I really care though. I think Unity is pretty shit.

R I P R A M
I
P
R
A
M

So they're replacing one shitty DE with another shitty DE, cool.

Should have replaced it with Cinnamon instead.

Why can't the switch to KDE instead? GNOME 3 is trash.

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Canonical should scrap everything they have and just support Xubuntu. It's objectively the best the flavor of Ubuntu. Everything else is complete shit compared to it. /thread

When the fuck is lubuntu going to finish porting to LXQT? It is the only exciting thing going on with ubuntu right now.

>>59763011
In 2020

The Apple MacBook Pro with Retina Display doesn't have this problem.

>>59762904
>Why can't the switch to KDE instead?

Lol, Not even KDE developers trust it and they can't tell you when will it be stable.

>Is stable in my machinr TM.

But Ubuntu Gnome already exists :^)

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>>59763091
>what LTS releases means

>>59760387
Install Unity.

I can see some neckbeard forking unity to create yet another distro Ubuntu Unity
Then become and official *buntu flavor for laughs

>>59763078
Apple is only for gays and women though

>>59763011
ubuntu has nothing to do with lx{de/qt}
lubuntu is just one guy for the most part

you CAN use lxqt on any distro you like
but ubuntu's packages are messy
https://sourceforge.net/p/lxde/mailman/message/35763111/

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Meh. Topicons and dash-to-panel make Gnome Shell comfy enough.

>>59763425
What's a good distro with lxqt?

>>59763493
the smallPInus one
or gen2

>>59757486
Does KDE even have half-functioning HiDPI scaling yet?

>>59758321
Great IMO

I kept getting frustrated with the instability until trying it in openSUSE and finding, even in Tumbleweed, it's goddamn stable.

>>59760047
>He still doesn't get it. Unity was a disaster because it "solved" something that wasn't a problem -- it was a single GUI design for both the desktop and mobile.
Both MS and Google are trying to do the same thing, they are both failing too though.

>He still doesn't understand that literally nobody wanted that.
Developers and project managers want that. It's cheaper to develop 1 version of software than 2 or 3. Users on the other hand...

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>>59757422
Finally those goddamn fucking ubuntu developers (aka mark shuttleworth) have got some sense.

There is no doubt about it their main one is either going to be MATE, GNOME, or XFCE

KDE Need not apply

>>59757422
>ubuntu
>gnome 2
>unity (because convergence)
>ubuntu tv (quiet failure)
>takes on too many projects
>phone/tablet/mir (clusterfuck devs)
>gnome 3 (because unity failed)

just a reminder that gnome 3 was designed with tablets/phones in mind as well as desktops. Hence ubuntu is replacing a convergence desktop with another one.

gnome 3 is a typical sjw clusterfuck. i think mark to go back to his roots and make amends with KDE. KDE has the potential to be great again.

time will tell but i think ubuntu has had its day on the desktop.

oh well, 6+ years and many millions wasted.

>>59757422
>Unfinished mess to be replaced by a cancerous piece of shit
I'm so excited!

>>59764990
gnome is great to use imo but too much ram

unity is "better" bc its "upfront" - tarks are always visible and the few other gnome-shell changes
grab anyone from the street and they should be able to use it

still gnome is superior but their forum/bugtracker is anti-anygthing-i-dont-like

>>59764990
>many millions wasted.
cant be true

>>59760387
>>59763272
And paper icons

Fluxbox
l
u
x
b
o
x

Why don't they just allow you to choose from multiple desktops during installation like Debian?
Gnome 3 is fucking horrible.

So what's going to happen to Ubuntu GNOME then?

Also: It probably won't be stock GNOME Shell. It'll probably have some customization to match the orange Ubuntu look and feel, and
>muh titlebars
will probably be smaller.

I'm personally excited to see GNOME back as the default DE. Moar standardization is coming.

>>59765305
>ubuntu
>standardization

pick one

>>59765094
>>>59764990 (You)
>>many millions wasted.
>cant be true
no, i was joking.

of course you can run several major development projects (which fail) and advertise them in the marketplace all for free.

Sad to see it go, I've used it since 11.10 and always liked it
I haven't touched Gnome Shell since 2013 but I didn't like it back then, slow, too much empty space and unintuitive

>>59757422
Speak proper English, fuck bag. Ubuntu was the only thing keeping Linux relevant. And once GOogle abandons Chromebooks, Linux and its lesser known derivatives will be relegated to the server market. Linux is just another tool for the programmer to use. It appears the true operating systems are Windows and macOS.

I'm removing Ubuntu and leaving Linux for good. And this is coming from someone whomst'eses installed several operating systems.

>>59762904
Because Neon exists.

>>59758625
>I don't have any major reasons to still be using Ubuntu anymore.
hardwaresupport and support for mainstream software (like spotify). but i agree, unity was a big reason for me, too.

>>59759847
That is beautiful. Stay forever mad lononixcuck

I thought Unity was fine. I'll be a little bit sad to see it go from Ubuntu.

>>59763472
True. There are a lot of ways to improve Gnome Shell, but it's sad to see that you have to use third-party tools in order to make it usable for normal work in the first place.

>>59757450
This, gnome is a fucking dumpster fire.

>>59757422
This really highlights the problem with Canonical and Shuttleworth. They start something, it's crap, way behind schedule, then after a while starts to look promising. Then they drop it and do the thing they said they did not want or was bad being the reason they started the project in the first place. I recall a long blog post about the problems of Gnome and why it was better to switch to Qt. Unity 8 using Qt was starting to look promising over the last few months. What's next. dumping Mir? I'm fucking done with Shuttleworth and his little playground.

Now this fucking sucks,i always used unity, its not customizable, but it is intuitive and stable.

But again, i dont see why would ANYONE switch to gnome 3.

To use gnome you need bunch extensions to disable useless bloat in gnome 3, (aka everything that makes gnome gnome). Out of all DEs they pick one that had same idea as unity, and failed even worse then unity.. Waaaaaat?

>>59765803
>useless bloat
Unity doesn't care about minimalism. It cares about functionality. In order to get functionality, you need some bloat.

Ubuntu will probably release a customized version of upstream GNOME. upstream GNOME doesn't look or feel like Ubuntu (e.g, the orange-black theme)

GNOME is extremely customizable, and I'm sure they'll find a good compromise.

why the fuck aren't they just going down the same road redhat did and outsource unity/mir to a dedicated community that would releease a fedora tier unitiy version of ubuntu?

>>59760089
I've been using Xfce for the past few months on openSUSE, and I haven't experienced any of this.

Honestly I hated Unity when I used it 6 years ago or so. Back then, when Gnome 2 was being phased out DEs became a major mess and I kept switching between them and other WMs. Some years later I just settled in Gnome 3 anyways, it just werkz.

>>59761625
Tbh it will probably come out when 17.10 comes out. I said the daily .iso, not the release.

>>59757573
you can't even buy 16:10 screens anymore grandpa

>>59757469
yes. canonical wasnt profitable for a long time. they saw that they will never penetratet he mobile market

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>>59757422
REEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE

>>59757450
> tfw I use MATE on 1024x768
Is there any way to fix that?

>>59757422
I wish GNOME would integrate it's ugly, large window title bars to top bar...
I refuse to use GNOME for this.
And it seems GNOME developers are fine with it.
Why make that window bar so large, ffs...

>>59757422
Better late than never. Unity was a joke and it was stagnant (with Compiz being a key part of that).

For GNOME to be a mega success, they need to bring extensions in to the actual software like they have done with GNOME Shell.

>>59765953
>Works for me ;)))))))

>>59757422
> people complaining as if it'll be default gnome

You know canonical is going to customize the living fuck out of it. They'll probably try to mimic Unity as much as possible

I'll wait for Terry to decide, before I form an opinion. He is my guiding light.

>>59766455
I've also been using it on ubuntu as well. And fedora. The last time I had an issue with screen tearing out of the box with Xfce was when ubuntu 14.04 was released.

Unity is a real piece of shit. I hope they ditch mir too now and help with wayland. Fucking idiots.

>>59757422
At any point you could have ditched unity. Why is it news that they are dumping it? New look, same great taste. That's all this is.

>>59766524
Yeah, they're dumping Mir and are going to either continue using X11 (I think they've managed to get it working without setuid root) or they'll switch to Wayland. Wayland on GNOME is getting pretty good. The only issue that I've encountered with it is the inability to open Nautilus.

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>>59766455

>>59766458
Good.
>>59766524
They are ditching Mir and Unity.
>>59766553
I can't see why they wouldn't use Wayland.

>>59760579
unless some enterprising young motherfucker either forks unity and continues the convergence idea, one of the existing DEs picks up unitys torch and tries convergence, or a new convergence-from-the-ground-up DE/distro + DE emerges

>>59766586
>They are ditching Mir
This is so good news. Finally everyone can focus entirely and solely on Wayland and replace the shit that is X

>>59759426
isn't unity basically macOS for people who don't want to get buttfucked by Steve Jobs
just sayin'

>>59766598
I agree. Wayland is the future.

Can't wait for Ubuntu Unity Edition

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>>59766611
No?

>>59760938
What hes suggesting is Unit 8 on wayland could've been good. Some are already wondering why they didn't just scrap Mir and try Wayland, But I think the point was Mir + Unity 8 was meant to the THE cross device Linux distro

>>59766625
Definitely. I can see some group of autists forking Unity and continue its development

>>59757611
This, KDE is fucking nice, but some of its applications need serious work, Kontact in particular.

>>59760134
>Ubuntu lost a lot of users over it.
{{Citation needed}}

>>59766058
retard

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>>59757422
So what will it be called than? Goobantu?

>>59759504
Not programming your OS in Macromedia Flash 8

Is there a point to Ubuntu Gnome now?

>>59763242

The actually had the balls to call it LTS?

They have no shame.

>>59758439
Not exactly.
Mint simply did another DE with another (badly) hacked GNOME. Without the base from Ubuntu and Debian, Mint is nothing.

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>>59757450
Can we just agree that top bar is retarded? Companies can't even agree on what it's for: GNOME's stupid activities button, global menubar or just the taskbar in the top position.

Just admit that Windows nailed the desktop metaphor with a bottom taskbar and the window title bar becoming hte top bar on maximize.

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>>59759426
Except macOS still doesn't offer what Unity does. In Unity, the titlebar and window controls fuses with the top bar, turning the top part of the screen into a hotcorner for the program's menu and window controls that only show up when hovered over. This gives every maximized program a very immersive feeling and cuts out wasted vertical space. When you aren't focusing on the topbar, it just shows the name of the focused program to avoid too much distraction.

It's quite brilliant. macOS has a global menu bar but when you "maximize" a program, there is still a title and window control bar. Not to mention that Unity actually supports window snapping and maximization by throwing your window to the top.

I thought that macOS would be Unity done right but it turned out to be the inverse. I really hope that Canonical tweaks GNOME to mimic Unity because while I like how extensible GNOME is, Unity had some great ideas only held down by its "mashed together" feeling.

>>59767562
>I really hope that Canonical tweaks GNOME to mimic Unity

You mean Unity?

>>59767621
He means GNOME3. Unity was highly modified GNOME2

>>59767621
I don't understand what you mean desu

>>59767562
Literally just hide the dock and fully expand the window. Are you a retard?

>>59767665
The bar with the window controls will still be present, anon. macOS doesn't make an effort to maximize screen real estate with its menubar the way Unity does. >>59759426 seems to assume that it does but it really doesn't.

>>59758017
As long as this kills the Mir project then this is for the best

>>59766633
Already.

>>59758017
There's this already:
https://github.com/unity8org/unity8org

And this guy on reddit supposedly has big plans to fork Unity 7 and make some big tweaks: make the launcher more customizable, make the dash less resource heavy, etc.

Though these DEs will eventually fall behind as everyone moves onto Wayland.

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Use ubuntu mate faggots.

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>>59766766
Ubuntu.

>>59762966
I will take your advice and install Xubuntu.

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>>59770301
You'll love it, it's comfy af, been using it since 8.04

>>59762966
I really like Xubuntu's "aesthetic" over all the other Ubuntu flavors.
Id use it but It suffers from screen tearing on my X230.

>>59768128
We have way too many DEs that allows customization already, another one doing the same is pointless.

>>59765771

Mir has also been shitcanned, along with Ubuntu Touch.

I recently installed Ubuntu MATE from minimal CD and somehow when logging in, i can't move application windows at all. This is resolved by logging out and login a secound time. But does this happen to anyone else, i'm just asking?

does anybody know what os can be flashed on the ubuntu aquaris devices (besides ubuntu)?
i have the e5 phone and the m10 full hd tablet and it would be cool if i could install a well working os on them.

>>59770561
Xfce suffers from screen tearing on fucking everything, not just your X230. It's an issue with Xfce rather than Ubuntu or your system, and it can be fixed by using a better compositor like Compton.

Also, these "flavors" are retarded. Use the netinstaller instead.

>>59767472
it's quite comfy anon i like stock gnome

>>59766934
>as other posts said
im willing to bet ubuntu will make a few changes like:
- awlays visible task panel
>most normies won't dig pressing <KEY> to see and switch tasks
and who knows what more

so basically shuttleworth has decided to save money from his "de" fork
and instead apply a few js plugins to make it the same or very similar

READ THIS
UBUNTU 18.04 WILL LOOK THE SAME
remember you read it from me first

>>59770443
a fuckin mouse

>>59768701
ill use ubuntu mini.iso with dwm from source thank you

>>59770839
>we already have X another X would be pointless
That's the problem with Linux in general, anon.

Gnome is objectively more user friendly for normies than Unity, which is the intention.

>>59772671
>no minimize button
>retarded layout
>user friendly
AHAHAHAH gnome shell is a a good case study about how you don't make a DE.

>>59764990
What's the story with Mark Shuttlesworth vs. KDE? I wasn't into Linux during that time period.

>>59757422
Gnome 3 is more hated and is going to kill ubuntu

>>59772755
I would go to KDE before I go to the gnome shell fiasco.

This isn't really surprising considering gnome has been assimilating unity for a while now. They even got rid of the software center and replaced it with that gnome software abomination.

>http://www.omgubuntu.co.uk/2017/04/canonical-ubuntu-job-losses-outside-investors

This is sad DESU

>>59773851
They are going full Red Hat now.
focus on server/cloud/IoT
revenue based on support and deployment of solutions
small satellite team working on the desktop part

>>59773952
It truly feels like the end of an era.

You can hate Ubunty all you want but in the end it was a nice gateway out of Windows for a lot of people.

>>59774028
The problem is that there is no other commercially baked distro to serve as a gateway and negotiate deals with OEMs.

>>59773952
Ubuntu mobile was 10 years too late

I just assume that 18.04 will be themed to match as much as 17.04 as possible. Just that there would be no Mir, but may use Wayland instead. Of course they'll miss on the target launch for all of that.

>>59766058
Yea you can dumbass

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>>59762966
You can't just /thread your own post. I'll let it slide since you are 100% right though.

>>59759947
LMAO

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>>59774084
>Fedora
>OpenSUSE

>>59774931
Why not?

how can you even trust this company after forcing so many mistakes on people?

>>59776622
You don't have to.

>>59774099
Not to mention it only supported a small handful of devices

>>59776622
werks for me

>>59765258
The idea is that it will be usable by normies.

As far as they know Ubuntu and/or Linux IS the DE

Give them too many options and they'll shit their pants

Please tell me they're getting rid of that Amazon search bullshit.

It's like having an IE toolbar built into the damn OS

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>>59757450
I get 30 rows with the Pixel-saver extension, but yeah, point still valid. Gnome gobbles up too much vertical space.

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>>59757486
KDE shill pls leave.

gnome is cute and that's the most important thing

>>59766953
> what LTS means

>>59757422
>Hated Unity to be replaced by even more hated Gnome :) :)

>>59757422finnaly I can die in peace

Chill fags, unity is still going to be developed. Its development is just not going to be centralized!

>>59777703
or just >>59762224

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>>59778924

>ubuntu reverting back to debian
die mark

GNOME is garbage compared to Unity

>>59763493
I use Arch with lxqt and works like charm.

>>59779912
unity wouldn't exist w/o gnome

lurk more kid

>>59780114
Whatever kid, I never asked for your (retarded) opinion

>>59779912
Nice assertion... now back it up with some content.

finally end of botnet era :3 but probably still needs to do sudo apt-get install gnome-flashback

>>59758439
At what? Emulating Windows 7?

>>59780178
Unity is based directly on GNOME, idiot.

How do you go from this
>We were part of the GNOME shell design discussion, we put forward our views and they were not embraced by designers," Shuttleworth said during a press briefing. "We took a divergent view from the GNOME shell folks on key design issues, for example how application menus should appear on the system, how one should search to find applications, [and] how one's favorite applications should be presented.

To this
>In the community, our efforts were seen fragmentation not innovation. And industry has not rallied to the possibility, instead taking a ‘better the devil you know’ approach to those form factors, or investing in home-grown platforms. What the Unity8 team has delivered so far is beautiful, usable and solid, but I respect that markets, and community, ultimately decide which products grow and which disappear.

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>>59780393
>using QML
>based on gnome

>>59767562
You're using an old version of macOS. On Yosemite upwards maximised windows hide the dock and menu bar.

>>59759788
there is a smooth af compositor for gay fucks like you

>>59762966
This.
Xubuntu should be desktop Ubuntu and that's it.

>>59766766
uhm Unity was not always a thing...

>>59780393
kek
> this is what gnometards believe

That is Cinnamon, you fuckwit.

Well shit, now Linux will finally be completely unusable on the desktop.

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>>59757450
Fight me

>>59781437
>unity
>usable

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>>59781472

>>59781569
Shit

>>59780529
>>59781248
>Unity is a soon to be discontinued[4] graphical shell for the GNOME desktop environment developed by Canonical Ltd. for its Ubuntu operating system.

>>59781592
>changing the goalpost
>t. deluded freetard

>>59781696
What?

>>59777703
>>59781472
>>59781569
Canonical is probably going to develop an extension that brings most of Unity good points without looking too clunky like current Gnome Shell extensions.

>>59757486
If KDE would become stable and non-autistic it would easily beat out gnome.

>>59757422
can't believe they worked so hard for seven or eight years just to ditch it like that lmao