/fglt/ - Friendly GNU/Linux Thread

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>>59745988

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>>59745988
I require an assistance.
>>59745591

here for source mage

>>59746038
>is there a way to redirect mouse clicks between clients?
Clients? What clients? Can you be more specific about what you're trying to do?

>For example, if I click one window, the mouse click should register on another window
Another window on a different device?

>>59746077
windows

>>59746077
I think they mean something like what xkill does, where clicking on an application to be killed tells xkill what application to notify the xserver to disconnect from.
>>59746081
Anon, you'll have to let us know what you're actually trying to accomplish by this.

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I'm seriously considering taking the red pill and nuking my Arch system in favor of Debian. I'm bored of running Arch, it's too easy at this point and I've never ran Debian so I've been looking into it and come to the conclusion that stretch is rolling and has very up to date packages and might be worth a look. Pic related is influencing me a lot too. He makes several good points. Arch is really good but they do play it fast and loose and don't seem to take their users seriously.

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>>59746157
I want to simmulate what unity panel does, I have compiz and lemonbar. I have maximized windows decorations hidden and I want to be able drag lemonbar to unmaximize the focused window. I have looked into unity panel source code and it uses a wm.StartMove construction, so I assumed that compizz must have an interface to recieve such signals.

>>59746177
Is distro X working? Yes? Then shut the fuck up and stop hopping like an idiot.

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>>59746266
>archlinux
>working

>>59746177
I'm just beginning my foray into serious Linux usage so I don't understand the full implications of those points, but I'd say those were good arguments. So far I enjoy Debian more than Ubuntu, Trisquel, or UberStudent. I've been having some issues with Debian Jessie KDE Stable, though; shutdown and logout dialogs didn't work OOB on my desktop, and system notifications sounds have to be disabled for it to work.
>>59746266
Distro hopping is unproductive, sure, but if a distribution is advertised as stable, up-to-date, configurable, etc. and it frequently breaks or has issues which are contrary to how the distro was advertised, then it will encourage users to try other distributions regardless of the productivity hit.

>>59746282
t. guy who has never ran Arch or a derivitave

>>59746304
t. paid shill, nobody who's used arch for more than a month ever ends up with a functional system unless they never restart anything.

>>59746282
Exdee

>>59746314
obviously, that's why they get so good at installing it

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>>59746022
You are either retarded or new
Neither.

>Is clearly an implication that kde is bloated.
No it's not. I had just went through my logs and compiled that image and thought it was interesting and I was looking for an excuse to post it t.b.h. I would like to see the same thing for every other DE also. I don't have any hate towards it, I even have it installed and use it sometimes. It's quite nice.

>>"look, mom, how this kde thing is a bloatware See? Packages (414)"
Yeah. I added up the sum of plasma-desktop and kde-applications and put it at the bottom and they are clearly separate in the image. And yeah it is quite a large number of packages. I thought it was interesting.

Reposting image for new thread. Isn't this interesting guys?

>>59746314
I've used it for almost 2 years delightfully with no real issues. Can't say the same for my experiences with Fedora and Ubuntu.

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Does anyone know what caused/how to fix Ubuntu fonts getting smaller in 16 as compared to 14? Attached is a picture of the issue in Mint, looks exactly the same for Ubuntu, it uses the same font in the terminal.

>>59746461
16 probably reads the DPI from the monitor more "accurately" and scales the font up/down.

>>59746489
It happens in a non fullscreen VM, too, so I'm not sure, but you still could be correct. Even adjusting the DPI doesn't get it quite right though, a 2 DPI increase is a huge increase in font size, and 1 DPI doesn't do anything.
They are both set to be 96 on Live CDs, so probably not the issue, right?

How do I install .bin firmware in Debian? I was able to find the specific binary from the Debian website, but it's either install this manually without a Debian-provided guide (the one I found only covers .deb fw installation) or hope that by added the non-free repo to my sources.list will allow my software manager to download the relevant firmware, if it can even detect the hardware.

I just installed Trisquel Linux but I have no sound. How do I fix that? I checked to see if it was muted but it wasn't.

>>59746610
for what kind of device?

sometimes you have to add it to the initram-fs
sometimes you have to add it to the bootloader as an init=... line.

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>Hi, is there a way to redirect mouse clicks between clients? For example, if I click one window, the mouse click should register on another window. Thanks.
>>59746038
>>59746218
Come on, help me.

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So I recently decided to have more control over my personal computer's network traffic and wrote a few iptable rules.

However, I found it to be a bit time consuming, as I had to troubleshoot why some services we're being filtered and some weren't, look up their default ports and protocols, etc.

The one thing that did it for me was setting up my home printer, basically guessing if it's using CUPS or AppSocket or whatever proprietary protocol EPSON has for their printers. The manuals didn't help because they were aimed at normies, just a bunch of instructions of how to install it on Windows XP, but nothing about the advanced network configuration.

You could argue I need to lurk moar, but I guess my question is: is it worth it? Should I just give up and plug the ports I'm concerned about people accessing? Or if we go a bit deeper: should a personal GNU/Linux machine have a configured firewall? What about a work station?

What really started this whole thing was me trying to block incoming traffic to a Docker service I have on my computer (an RSS reader), and a couple of databases.

>>59746670
you could do it with xdotool and a little elbow grease

>>59746649
A wireless card. I have the missing firmware listed from just after LVM decryption, it's rtl8192cfw.bin.

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>>59746702
No, xdotool only simulates mose click, it doesn't actually redirect anything. I wish I had the time to write a statusbar program, it is a really simple concept. Meanwhile I look for utilities that do the mouse redirection.

>>59746710
i think in that case it just goes in /lib/firmware.

then reload the wifi module with modprobe

>>59746710
Not him but I'd say there's a simpler solution to that problem.

Debian currently has Linux 3.x, try installing a newer kernel, or do a LiveCD of Ubuntu 16 which is currently at 4.8, and see if the wireless card is working there.

>>59746744
>>59746767
Thank you both, but mv *.bin /lib/firmware/ seems a lot simpler than upgrading the kernel and changing the entire system configuration from Debian stable. If the first suggestion doesn't work, I'll try to understand a forum post I read earlier, or I'll link it.

>>59745988
stop posting penguins

>>59746636
Try restarting the sound service. Whatever application is used to mute and control volume should be restarted.

>>59746845
Why? It's GNU + Linux. Stallman doesn't need to be in every OP.

best distro that doesn't have systemd by default, and doesn't have compiling from source autism?

Are nvidia drivers botnet? They can't fit that much spyware if they are only 10mb (Arch package size).

>>59747028
yes

>>59747028
Why would NVidia want a botnet? How would a backdoor through a GPU be a useful tool to the intelligence community?

>>59747028
>>59747058
We don't actually know.

vrms doesn't like them though

>>59747028
people who write nonfree software have something malicous to hide

>>59747028
>he fell for the arch meme

>>59747072
>a backdoor through a GPU
a backdoor to the kernel

>>59747082
Like profit margins? I watched an interview the other day where Stallman didn't seem too caked up about closed firmware. As long as it works, the user isn't likely to be poking at it anyway, so there's no need for it to be open. The firmware is critical to component performance as well, so why would they want to make it open? So Joe Blow Paranoido can rice his GUI to watch for spikes in activity, because the CIA wants to know what damned porn hes watching?

>>59747072
>>59747073
>>59747082
What would nvidia gain from keeping the driver proprietary unlike AMD? Possibly some performance optimisation AMD hasn't figured out. Better question: why would a wifi driver like iwlwifi need to be closed? Something fishy's going on there.

>>59747139
I think a lot of it is business practice. Not that everyone releasing closed software or firmware has malicious intentions, but that it's just what they've been doing and they keep doing it. Why switch to publishing everything when you can just put the finished software on disk and sell?

>>59746699
Setting up a firewall properly isn't easy.

Though, if you don't know what protocols and shit your printer uses you could just capture the traffic and then print something.

If you need one is a whole different question.

For some reason, my wallpapers are changing very fast on their own even though I set them to rotate every 1 minute.

What's going on? Is Conky fucking shit up?

>tfw have ascended to the ultimate level of freetard, and disabled my laptop's gtx 1050 instead of using proprietary driver
Intel is more than enough for muh games anyway

>>59747326
Sounds freetarded enough. Why don't you sell the laptop and buy some Stallman approved chinkware instead?

>>59747326
>have ascended the ultimate level of freetard
>Intel is more than enough to run this proprietary software

Kys poser

>>59747344
how is a laptop with hardware that requires nonfree drivers for some unnecessary hardware unapproved? Stallman himself uses a laptop that shipped with a proprietary BIOS, and he once used a laptop with a nonfree wireless card.
>>59747357
T. using nonfree JavaScript to post on a Mongolian puppet show imageboard

Are there nonfree kernel blobs/firmwares for anything other than wireless cards? What else is there? Why aren't nvidia drivers included in the kernel?

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>>59747003
>compiling from source autism

>>59747391
I meant compiling my own kernel and stuff in Gentoo. I would use it because it's basically the only distro with more than ten users and no systemd by default, but I don't have time for compilation on my shitty dual core.

>>59746177

>bored of his operating system

How to spot a pretentious idiot who doesn't even use it. You most likely have Windows installed and you only switch to your distribution once every fortnight.

>>59747402
I think Void fits this description

>>59746699

Just use an easy abstraction layer like UFW.

>>59747376
I'm not an integralist freetard. I'm just saying that claiming to be one while admitting to continue using proprietary software like Steam is completely idiotic.

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>>59747412
>How to spot a pretentious idiot who doesn't even use it.
You mad bro? I use Linux constantly and I have for years. I've been through the rounds extensively with Ubuntu, Fedora, and Arch most recently. I've been using Arch for nearly two years and it has just become too familiar to me and I'm starting to see the flaws in it.

>You most likely have Windows installed and you only switch to your distribution once every fortnight.
Nope. How did you manage to draw that conclusion?

Must have struck a nerve with you for you to chimp out like that. In a friendly thread no less. Stay cucked.

>>59746266
>Then shut the fuck up and stop hopping like an idiot.
Not hopping. I've been on the same shit for a long ass time and it's not like switching is a big deal.

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How do I launch the individual parts of libreoffice from the command line? What do I type in to launch Libre Office Calc for example instead of the default menu with the different options

>>59747629

Sorry, I can't understand you from all the memes and buzzwords you use.
An operating system is a tool and tools are supposed to be boring. Enjoy your pretentiousness, idiot.

Redpill me on nftables

>>59747643

>libreoffice --help
or
>open web browser
>open search engine
>type question in
>get answer in 0,05 seconds
>look it up

>>59747629
>that diaper fur arch logo
triggered

>>59747645
>An operating system is a tool and tools are supposed to be boring.
Yeah it's that black and white huh. Don't fallacy me bro. Study up https://yourlogicalfallacyis.com/

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>>59747412
>>59747645
This guy really doesn't like it when people talk shit about arch

>>59747696

I suggest you improve to at least elementary school level reading comprehension and then you'll be able to realize that it has nothing to do with Arch, but with the general retardation of his idea.

>being so obsessed and retarded with arch that you must shoehorn it into every argument
Kill yourself.

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>>59746218
>dat pic
REEEEEEEEE

>>59747703
>Users of all levels are welcome to ask questions about GNU/Linux and share their experiences.

>*** Please be civil, notice the "Friendly" in every Friendly GNU/Linux Thread ***

Fuck off self righteous prick

>>59747653
>>get answer in 0,05 seconds
>0,05 seconds
>0,05
>,

kys

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>>59747774

Okay, it's a little longer on Google.

>>59747806
>>59747774

Just noticed you meant the use of a comma as the separator. It's not like one is the definitive standard.

>>59745988
What the fuck do I do on GNU/Linux with downloaded programs that don't come from the official repos (i.e. not installed via a packet manager) and that come "ready to use", i.e. don't have to ./configure and make install.
Do I just copy them manually to some /bin folder? Do I just leave them in my Downloads folder and run them from there (or create an alias pointing to the download folder) ??

I'm trying to make it so that if my VPN connection drops I want my entire connection to drop along with it so I don't end up leaking my real IP along with it if I don't notice the VPN disconnecting.

Are there any scrips or settings I can use to get that working?

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How do you change your sound output on the Desktop Environment you use?

KDE is fucking dogshit when it comes to this, you have to navigate deep into sound settings and skim through a massive dropdown list that has every audio output profile that you can possibly imagine, many of which you can't even use. So on the few occasions where I'm plugging my KDE laptop into my tv to watch a movie, I'm fumbling around like a jackass to set it to output sound to HDMI, it's awful.

Meanwhile, in good ol' Windows 7. You just rightclick the speaker icon on the taskbar, go to playback devices, and choose the output you want. It doesn't really get any easier than that.

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>>59748000
You can put it wherever you like. I would make a folder called .bin in /home/username and then add that directory to the PATH.

Make a folder (/home/username/.bin in my case)
move or copy the file to it
and then add it to your path

export PATH=$PATH:~/.bin

>>59748522
>How do you change your sound output on the Desktop Environment you use?
pavucontrol no matter what DE I'm using

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What's the best GNU/Linux distro and why is it always the one I'm using?

What are some benefits of gentoo? Why should I care about use flags? I'm interested because openrc.

>>59748753

>apparently is such a big power user that he needs openrc
>doesn't understand that you can disable and enable certain features during compilation

How to spot a poser: the post.

I tried out Gentoo and I couldn't even install/compile a wm or a DE because I always needed to edit yet another config file for portage to just fucking do it.

Never again. I'm sure I made some mistake during the installation though, as no guide mentioned the problems I had.

>>59748766
What am I posing as you colossal autist? I don't like systemd because it's bloated constantly expanding buggy garbage made by Red Hat. I understand what use flags do, I'm just not sure how I would benefit from them.

Gentoo is shit. It's like fapping at expense of your time.

>>59748782

>because it's bloated constantly expanding buggy garbage made by Red Hat
Of course it's expanding. They are adding more features as requested by people. Half if not more software that you use is "made by RedHat" you hypocritical idiot. It's free software, no one cares by whom it's made.

>i understand what compilation options do
>i don't understand how it benefits me
Then you're a massive idiot, but that's no surprise, because everything else you say is symptomatic of idiots.

>>59748803
poettering please get back to freedesktop.org

>>59748103
Wanna know that too. Running arch btw

>>59746177
Don't. Not debian at least. Fucking apt.

>>59747003
Void.

>>59748803
Fuck off Poettering, the """features""" of systemd are not needed by 99% of users.
>>59748753
There are more than just USE flags, there are lots of other reasons to use Gentoo.
It's bleeding edge.
It's the most customizable distro (customizable in what packages you can have, not customizable like ricer garbage, although it can do that too.
If you have autism you can go full freetard with Gentoo pretty easily, there are lots of neat things with Portage.
But as for USE flags, it's really nice when you don't want to have certain dependencies built into your package, like polkit, and also for when you want to have your packages support a certain set of dependencies versus another like ALSA instead of Pulseaudio.

Any advice for passing LPIC-1?
>I'm not pajeet I promise

>>59748976
void seems like what i'm looking for. but, as a former arch user, the package manager seems shit (on arch if you install a package with tons of dependencies, it's easy to recursively remove them and get your system back to the state before you installed them. On void, the package manager often freezes when I try to recursively remove stuff, or doesn't remove all the packages.) Not to mention there is no mirror in australia at all. The repos have about the same amount of software as arch but I miss the AUR. despite the abundance of shitty, unmaintained packages, it's the easiest way for me to install stuff like fonts, themes as well as hipster wms.

>>59749079
I don't have any issues with xbps other than it's not intuitive at all to use and the lack of mirrors suck but the distro is basically what Arch should have been.
Once you get the hang of xbps-src building packages are a breeze, it's WAY simpler than PKGBUILD's.

>>59749145
literally the best distro. I wish it had kde but I've since switched to xfce.
runit is the best init system by far
>runit boots faster than systemd and is way faster than openrc
>runit does everything an init system/process manager should do, and nothing else
>xbps is fast and simple. I probably still prefer pacman, in terms of syntax and package format though. it would be very interesting to see a distro that's literally void, but with pacman.
>minimal install
>best installer of any distro. net or local install; doesn't handhold you, doesn't waste your time with CLI bullshit like arch

well... i´ve been using Debian since 6 and i try other distro just for fun, i am in a mid point of knowledge so I will try Arch Linux, whats the best point to start? exist a good guide? I look the official wiki but I think sometimes give things away and I lost the way so what can I do?

>>59749079
Fuck, didn't read all. Don't know why it freezes to you but I didn't have any problems. The AUR is good, but it has its issues, you're depending on the maintainers, security wise it's not nice. Void lacks proper PAX/grsec implementation for now and it doesn't have a sec team as far as I know but things are kept simple.

>>59749158
I never managed to use xbps-src properly, you've got any tips?

>>59749158
could you please explain how to use xbps-src and what I use it for? is it a different way of running make and make install?

Is i3 the best or is it worth learning to use and configure something like awesome or xmonad? ( already know some haskell and lua )

>>59746924
How do I do that? Sorry new to GNU/Linux

>>59749192
arch is decent. https://wiki.archlinux.org/index.php/Installation_guide is the guide. If you can't follow that, https://arch-anywhere.org/ is easier. that said, void is a much better distro and also easier to install. It's basically arch with better developers, but isn't based on arch (both are minimal rolling release)

>>59749222
honestly all wms can do the same stuff. they all use barely any ram/cpu, and are capable of workspaces, tiling and floating etc
I personally used to use dwm for years but went to i3 after deciding it was much easier to make it look good. the dwm/awesome style of configuration is just annoying, stupid and pointless.

>>59748613
Cause you get confident in.

No distro is perfect, but if you make it work for you, it will become perfect.

>>59749235
oh thanks, Void looks interesting I will try it first if works well I will use it as main

>>59749158
>>59749204
I'm also an arch to void convert since a few months ago. I dislike how xbps arbitrarily separates xbps-install and xbps-remove/query etc, so I [spoiler]aliased them to xbps -S/R/Q[/spoiler]

>>59748967
what's wrong with apt?

>>59749204
After cloning the package repo at https://github.com/voidlinux/void-packages
you run ./xbps-src binary-bootstrap and then you can build packages by doing ./xbps-src build <package>. You can build new packages by adding a template to srcpkgs/newpackagename and building it.
There is also an xtools package to lint your packages.
>>59749213
It builds xbps packages from a template like a PKGBUILD but it's less verbose than a PKGBUILD. It reminds me of a BSD port.

Instead of specifying the build process, you just specify a build style, like gnu-configure which runs the standard ./configure && make && make install.
>>59749298
Yeah I don't really like the split binaries either.

Sorry I'm new to ganoo/lunicks:
Is there a difference between something like pacman -Syu and pacman -S -y -u? Is it the same for every package?

>>59749333
Deb package format is objectively inferior to pretty much everything else, especially rpm
That's dpkg nor apt though

>>59749354
sorry I didn't really understand your explanation of xbps src. Mind elaborating? Why would I want to do that instead of just installing the binary package?

>>59749365
>Is there a difference between something like pacman -Syu and pacman -S -y -u?
pacman -Syu and pacman -S -y -u are the same thing. Sometimes it's not, it depends on the type of argument parsing they use, for example in gcc those options would not be the same.

Is Manjaro with xfce much better/worse than Arch with xfce?

>>59749390
>Mind elaborating?
xbps-src takes a text file in a specific format and uses it to figure out how to grab the source, compile it, and archive it into an installable package.

>Why would I want to do that instead of just installing the binary package?
It automates building things from source.
You want to do that for a couple of reasons, like auditing the source of a binary package, or adding a new package to the repository.
Most of the time you don't need to though.

>>59749430
Might as well use the real thing instead of something that gets the updates downstream with additional security problems. It's not like installing arch is that hard.

>>59749050

> the """features""" of systemd are not needed by 99% of users.
Then don't use them.
Does it hurt to be that stupid?

>>59749050

>It's the most customizable distro
No, it's not. You run the same software on all distributions. It can be compiled the same way on any. Just because Gentoo allows you to conveniently do it, doesn't make it the "most customizable".

>>59749432
Okay, looks like I managed to build one of the srckgs and installed it. Now I've got some stuid questions.
If I want to build certain packages that aren't in the github repo I only need to create a template and modify it accordingly, then build it and install?

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>>59747376
>I use a Thinkpad X60 computer, in which the FSF installed a free initialization program (libreboot) and a free operating system (Trisquel GNU/Linux.) This is the first computer model ever to be sold commercially with a free initialization program and a free operating system, and thus the first computer product the FSF could endorse. (It was not sold that way by Lenovo, however.)

>Before that, I used the Lemote Yeeloong for several years. At the time, it was the only laptop one could buy that could run a free initialization program and a free operating system. But it was never sold with a free operating system.

>Before that, I used an OLPC for some weeks. I stopped because the OLPC project decided to make their machine support Windows, so I did not want to appear to endorse it. The OLPC uses a nonfree firmware blob for the WiFi, so I could not use the internal WiFi device. No big problem, I used an external one.
https://stallman.org

#pacman -Rsc systemd

>>59749687
>"features" are in pid 1, many running whether you use them or not, creating an incredibly big security target
>"features" are built into systemd binary as unnecessary complexity
given that I don't care about its many features (btw, please mention a feature desktop users care about that openrc and runit don't have), there is no reason to use systemd over the alternatives, as they provide equivalent functionality, without adding yet another monolithic, complex piece of software only the developers truly understand.

>>59750053
I ran that command, nothing happened. :^)

>>59750053
https://pastebin.com/Qit0u2NG
rly makes u think...

>>59749687
>Don't use it
>But actually you are stupid if you don't use it
Really makes you think.
>No it's not
Try doing the things you can do on Gentoo on Debian and have it work well and be supported.
You can barely get rid of systemd lmao.
>>59749868
Yeah, that's pretty much it.

>>59750085

>I'd just like to interject for a moment. What you’re referring to as Linux, is in fact, systemd/Linux, or as I’ve recently taken to calling it, systemd plus Linux...

>>59750085
What the fuck? I didn't think it was that bad.

>>59750129
>https://pastebin.com/Qit0u2NG
the reason it offers to remove over half of my installed packages is because -Rsc specifies to recursively remove everything that depends on systemd, and then remove everything that depends on those until you basically have only orphans left

>>59750152
probably a dumb question
What would happen if you said yes and uninstalled all that? Would it not boot? How could you fix that? Chroot and reinstall everything?

>all these dumb faggots arguing about which shitty init system is best
>not permanently using init=/bin/bash

>>59750227
>accidentally ^D
>kernel panic

>>59750236
>being dumb
>kernel panic

>>59750191
no you [spoiler] install gentoo[/spoiler]

What's the suckless text editor?

>>59750258
ed

>>59750227
Init=/bin/sh

>Helping the GNU Project and the Free Software Movement
https://www.gnu.org/help/help.html

>Add a link to this web site
done

>>59750288
A real human being and a real hero.

why do most distros alias ls to ls=color-auto or something like that?

why do most distros use system D or something like that?

>>59750607
You know (((why)))

>>59750633
>everything I don't like is the jews

>>59750665
t. Schlomo Goldberg

Every fucking distro I install, the sound never works.

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Kubuntu or Linux Mint with KDE?

>>59750707
Trisquel

>>59750707
Source Mage GNU/Linux

>>59750707
void

>>59750707
arch

>>59750707
Slackware

>>59750715
>>59750744
I'd want to use something with KDE as I want to try some silly shit like KDE Connect

>>59750747
>>59750762
I'd prefer something more noob friendly, having to manually check dependencies of plain text configuration files is not the type of handling that I want to avoid as much as possible

>>59750732
>>59750744
Might check them, tho I've only used dpkg-based distros until now

>>59750057

>monolithic
Perhaps you should read the countless examples why it's not "monolithic". Chances are you already have, but you like using that big word because it makes you sound smart and knowledgeable about the topic.

>complex
The problem is complex and it's the solution to it.

>only the developers understand
Do you understand how Firefox works? Do you understand how your cp from the coreutils works? Do you understand how your OpenRC or whatever you use works? No, of course you don't, because you're an idiot who is coming up with idiotic reasons why free software is bad.

>>59750854

>manually check dependencies
>plain text configuration files
The first one is blatantly wrong, the second one doesn't have anything to do with a distribution.
Why do you perpetuate wrong information? What do you get out of it? Does being stupid give you a kick?

>>59750921
https://wiki.installgentoo.com/index.php/Babbies_First_Linux#Slackware
"In contrast to most modern Linux distributions, Slackware provides no GUI installation procedure and no automatic dependency resolution of software packages. It uses plain text files and only a small set of shell scripts for configuration and administration."

>>59751017
GNU/Linux*

>>59751023
GNU+Linux*

>>59750854
Quick rundown of those mentioned distros:
Trisquel is a freetard/fsf approved version of Debian with only free software. No steam, no nvidia drivers and no proprietary kernel blobs, which are needed for many wifi cards.

Source Mage is a meme, it's a version of Gentoo (you wait to compile your software from source) which refers to building packages as casting spells

Arch is pretty good, but hard to install

Slackware is good but absolutely not recommended unless you're experiened. More so than Arch.

Void is fairly easy to install, but harder than Ubuntu etc. Best init system, best package manager. Just try it.

>>59751049
>it's a version of Gentoo
wat?

>>59751049
void has no packages

Can someone give me a quick rundown of systemd?

>>59751049
Arch is piss easy to install, even complete idiots can do it.

>>59751064
It has more than 6000 packages. Arch has only 8000. The only significant omissions are kde 5, and versions of gnome after 3.22.

Fellow distrohoppers,

which distros are worth trying and which are a complete waste?

>>59751116
Ubuntu unity is the best one

>>59751116
Ubuntu unity is the worst one

What is a livestreamer alternative that works with a lot of sites, but has little dependencies, if none at all possible.

>>59751116
Solus OS is great ! :)

I'm Installing arch with lvm on virtualbox, is there a way to completely remove all the partitions, groupname etc.. to start all over again ?? creating a new partition and writing changes with fdisk doesn't delete all the lvm shit....

>>59751446
wipefs

>>59751446
use windows 10

>>59749375
>Deb package format is objectively inferior to pretty much everything else, especially rpm
Explain. I've always wondered why there was two types: deb and rpm.

>>59751389
youtube-dl

>>59751116
Sourece Mage GNU/Linux is the best

systemd is not that bad ;_;

>>59751116

Manjaro is pretty damn good if you want to use Arch but aren't a disgusting overweight neckbeard.

>>59752112
>he couldn't install arch

>>59751080
>Arch has only 8000
It would be a lot more if they weren't to lazy to split packages like most every other distribution.

>>59752201
Nothing wrong with Manjaro

>>59752216
Turning back your system clock in order to access a website is doing it wrong.

>>59752241
Nobody cares.

>>59752241
they removed that pretty quick

>>59752216
What's the fucking point of using a distro that leeches patches and updates, has its own security issues and adds nothing, son? Installation is no excuse, if you can't fucking use even arch anywhere.

What do you think of this website https://getgnulinux.org/

>>59752425
>GNU/Linux, or simply Linux, is an alternative to Microsoft Windows
No. It's the other way around.

>>59746814
> changing the entire system configuration from Debian stable
Debian 9 will be there soon, it's in the full freeze already.

>>59752483
How soon ? Can't find info

>>59752557
No ETA, but you can judge by its lifecycle:
https://wiki.debian.org/DebianJessie
https://wiki.debian.org/DebianStretch

>>59746038
>>59746218
Bump question. I thought this was friendly linux therd not the unfriendly linux trhead.

>>59752681
No idea. Have a (You).

can I compile multiple things at the same time?

>>59752775
Sure, just open multiple sessons.

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>>59752303
>>59752303
>What's the fucking point of using a distro that leeches patches and updates, has its own security issues and adds nothing, son?
They are essentially using Arch users as beta testers. Take a look at https://bugs.archlinux.org/ some time. Manjaro fills a desired niche. I don't use it btw, but I understand why people like it.

>>59752681
GNU/Linux

>can't install two packages at the same time
WTF

>>59752867
apt does not have this problem

>>59751116
Debian Stretch net install is where I landed recently. Pretty good.

>>59752796

Manjaro doesn't fix any of those bugs. Most of those "bugs" don't get fixed after 2 weeks. Delaying packages doesn't help at all.

Using Manjaro is like drinking week stale water and feeling pride about it. The reason they feel pride is because they think it's an accomplishment to use Arch, but they don't want to spend 5 minutes installing it. Anyone who actually needs Arch can spare 5 minutes to install it. Not them, because they only use it because they think it makes them special and because their knowledge about the topic doesn't extend beyond memes and buzzphrases like "the AUR is amazing!".

Only complete retards use downstream distributions. Only beyond retardation idiots feel smugness or superiority because of it.

>>59752875

Since when? The last time I tried to run two package manager process in parallel, it created a lockfile which prevented the 2nd instance from running.

>>59752867
>>59753356


why does this happen?

Quick, please tell me which is the best distro, don't want to distro-hop, I just want to install the best one and move on with my life.

>>59753345
Agreed

>>59753479
Xubuntu

>>59753479
Arch

>>59753345
nice meme, but you clearly have no idea how manjaro works

>>59753479
Debian

>>59753479
Gentoo

>>59753479
Trisquel

>>59753479
If you don't tell us what you're gonna do with it then we might as well just suggest you windows. Debian if you want to use gnu/linux in a basic manner and forget about it, arch if you want up-to-date software, minimal installation and a friendly package manager, void if you want arch without systemd.

>>59753389

To prevent conflicts and issues, obviously. Why would you want to run your package manager twice?

>>59753479
slackware

>>59753479
ElementaryOS

>>59753497

I know enough and even then I don't care. All I have to know is that it's a pointless downstream distribution which doesn't address anything worthwhile.
You're either a full blown pathetic retard or the person who "created" Manjaro. No one else would be so invested in such an idiotic premise.

>>59753529
what's wrong with systemd?

>>59753556
CTRL+F or google

>>59753556
nothing, don't listen to those purist autists +, they're just stuck back in 1995

>>59753572
>CTRL+F
>not /

>>59753556
UNIX philosophy

>>59753572
>google
cuckold spotted

>>59753583
found one
>>59753607

>>59753572
Well thanks for that very informative post.

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Why is Ubuntu Software not working?

My Internet's fine.

>>59753699
>Use Ubuntu
>It just werks

>>59753699
just use apt or synaptic, don't bother with lagcenter

>>59753699
close it and open again

>>59753727
As computer specialist I confirm this as acceptable solution.

Let's talk about systemd.

https://insights.ubuntu.com/2017/04/05/growing-ubuntu-for-cloud-and-iot-rather-than-phone-and-convergence/
>we will end our investment in Unity8
>We will shift our default Ubuntu desktop back to GNOME for Ubuntu 18.04 LTS.

Unity confirmed dead

>>59753737
lol, i didnt even think of the meme, i had this same issue and its what i did and it worked

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why does this look better than kde5?

>>59753805
I think something might be wrong with your head

>>59753766
"no"

>>59753727
Doesn't work

>>59753772
F

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>>59753772

>>59753772
that's kind of a shame, Unity 8 was finally starting to be usable on a desktop

Also safe to assume that Ubuntu Phone is also ded?

>>59753772

Is that an April Fool's joke or? Because it says it's been posted today. If not, that's pretty major news and a big "change".

>>59753933
looks like it's true http://www.omgubuntu.co.uk/2017/04/ubuntu-18-04-ship-gnome-desktop-not-unity

WHY IS THERE NOT A SINGLE DISTRO THAT PATCHES THUMBNAILS INTO GTK

IMAGEINE THAT MARKETSHARE

>>59753772
Thank god, unity was trash. So I guess RIP gnomebuntu.

>>59753772

Does that mean Mir will also be scraped in favor for Wayland?
That's not even a surprise, because it was pretty much obvious from the start. Retiring Unity was a big surprise though.

>>59753958
Do it and submit GTK coderz your patch.

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Is KDE neon worth a try?
Or atleast KDE. I am a long time ubuntu user. Kinda got used to unity. Is there anything which is better on KDE?

>>59753958

Because GTK2 has been deprecated. Firefox, the major reason why you want it, is switching/has switched to GTK3.
GTK2 is only getting bug fixes, no new features. GTK3 is getting new features. There has been work in progress and it will eventually happen.

>>59753972
probably
Considering Unity8 was the only DE that used Mir

>>59753988
If it's start with a K it's shit.

>>59753971

What's it to you if it was trash? Just don't use it. I would have never used it myself, but the fact that it was there didn't influence me in any way.
You're going to say "wasted developer effort". That's not an argument, because it doesn't mean they'll work on your favourite environment now.

>>59753988

>install KDE Plasma 2
>see for yourself instead of believing random people in terms of subjective opinions

Fuck gnome, fuck gtk, reeeeee

>>59753772
I think that's a bad move. Let's create a Unity distro, paint it red and call it "Linux Stawberry".

>>59753988
if you're going with KDE go with KDE Neon.
Most other distros have old KDE versions and KDE has been progressing a shit ton in the last few versions

>>59754034
>abusing the ree meme for anger

KDE is a 1,5 GiB huge filepicker. There is no other reason to use KDE. Prove me wrong.

>>59754086
it's the only modern DE that actually gives you control instead of locking you into a room and telling you to deal with it

>>59754086
KDE is switching to Qt WebEngine, which is basically Google Chromium, also known as botnet.

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/g/ BTFOOOOOOO

>>59754113
>BTFO
How so?

The only thing RMS cares about is freedom and he dislikes UNIX because it was proprietary.

Nothing to see here.

>>59754132
UNIX design philosophy =/= UNIX itself

Certain /g/ pundits are huge supporters of the UNIX philosiphy "muh everything must be a file" "muh systemd is the devil"

>>59754157
>UNIX philosiphy
>One program does one thing exceptionally well

>>59754178
yes, that's a shit philosophy

>let's tie our OS together with pipes, some chewing gum and duct tape

>>59754178
>emacs OS

>>59754113

printf 'it basically ethical.  I never was a supporter of the Unix design philosophy.' | fmt

>>59754192
>Have absolutely everything done by one program so any single security flaw will bring down the entire system.

>>59753988
I wanted to do it myself
but then I realized how fucking huge the codebase for the fucking filepicker was

>>59754219
I never said everything had to be done by a single program
nice strawman tho

>>59747028
No. Why the fuck would you spend $$$ on a graphics card and not use the intentional drivers.

Nouveau is shit. Riva is shit.

>>59754250
That's exactly what systemd wants to do.

>>59754429

Systemd is more than one program, you meme spouter who has no idea what he's talking about. There are 10+ binaries under the systemd roof, possibly more.
Kill yourself.

So, what are some WMs/DEs with good wayland support that are not gnome/plasma?

>>59754462
enlightenment

Haven't used Linux in years and when I did it was babbymode mint, so bare with my remedial question if anyone can help...

Bought a 1TB WD blue off a friend for 20 bucks and loaded Debian Jessie onto a flash to dual boot Wangblowz/Loonix.

Installed fine, except no ethernet. I've been all over Superuser, StackExchange, Stack Overflow, and every readme for every X99 intel network driver released in the last 3 years, still nothing.

I'm trying to edit /etc/default/grub's GRUB_CMDLINE_LINUX to also set net.ifnames to 0, but even after a rooted chmod on the file it's still stuck as read-only.

Halp.

>>59754448
Systemd is becoming a requirement for more and more programs lennart. How about you kill yourself instead.

>>59754575
and again you fail to grasp the point
"systemd" isn't a single program

>>59754524

try a normal distro without linux-libre

>>59754620
It wants to be

>>59754722
jesus fucking christ you dumb mother fucker

systemd is a collection of software, it isn't a single program

>>59754740
it's a collection of software that you have to compile as one program

>>59754740
It's a collection of software trying to be one single program. It doesn't have to be literally one binary, but when they literally require each other, it's pretty much one program. Dumb systemd shill.

can someone explain what exactly is wrong with systemd?

>>59754898
nothing, it's basically ethical

>>59754898
http://without-systemd.org/wiki/index.php/Arguments_against_systemd

>>59754917
Fuck off shill

>>59754898
nothing, old people are against it because it changes things

>>59754917
>ethical
*technical

>>59754938
t. Paid shill

>>59754676
Thanks, but I'm going to learn this shit if it means continuing to slam my head against a brick wall for hours on end.

Nano worked for the edit, fwiw.

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about that gentoo ransomware incident (for those who don't know https://forums.gentoo.org/viewtopic-t-1060828.html)

all my stuff is in my home dir and malicious code doesn't need root privileges in order to access it
so what's the difference if you as a regular desktop user run something insecure as root or not, you're fucked anyway, right?

who cares if the *whole system* is compromised or not when all your important data already is
you can always reinstall the system, but you cannot unencrypt your files

>>59754966
t. Paid shill

>>59754966
>everyone_I_dont_like_is_a_paid_shill.png

>>59754938
>redhat fag

>>59755009
>>59755026
They are when they spread lies and try to get everyone on the devil known as systemd.

>>59754987
firejail
backups
or maybe even use a MAC/RBAC system

>>59755034
>everyone on the devil known as systemd
lol ok, settle down grandpa

>>59755086
stop deepthroating lennart poettering

>OpenSUSE VM
>ESXi 6.0
>Windows formatted NTFS 3TB drive (RDM)


I understand I need some very specific libraries in order to mount and read the NTFS disk. Whats the easiest way of doing this?

>>59755097
go back to 1995 if you want your shit init system to be decent for the time

>>59754986

if it works in almost anything other than debian you know the problem is that you need the correct nonfree driver in debian's nonfree repo - you don't need to download another distro as you can just identify what driver it needs and try that

>>59755133
systemd is more than an init system, it is a bloated set of core libraries that are built to take over Linux

>>59755133
oh shit where did those goalposts go?!
systemd isn't an init system, if it were just another init system like openrc or runit nobody would give a fuck

>>59755155
good, Linux's core libraries needed an update to the 21st century

>>59755155
GNU/Linux*

>>59755171
*Linux

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>>59754898
systemd is the most advanced init system in existence
it's better than aplels launchd and better than whatever microsoft has
systemd truly has the potential to bring about the year of the GNU/Linux desktop
it's basically the best thing that's happened to GNU since Linux

the jews know this, so they spawned a fake controversy around it in order to divide the community, sabotage the project and keep GNU/Linux from advancing as an operating system and gaining more market share
just think about it:
>Linux - the most advanced kernel in existence
>systemd - the most advanced init and service manager in existence
>free as in both freedom and beer
and now with Steam OS, Chrome OS and Wayland and Vulkan both maturing, it's only a matter of time before GNU/Linux becomes truly mainstream and takes over

hating systemd is an artificial meme brought about by CIA's advanced meme warfare techniques in order to prevent the year of the GNU/Linux desktop
http://www.dtic.mil/dtic/tr/fulltext/u2/a507172.pdf

>>59755239
Chrome OS uses upstart, not systemd

>>59755155

>libraries

>>59755281
it will soon enough

>>59754898

there's very little technically wrong with it, the dislike is primarily due to the unlikeable lead developers that have shitty priorities, the increasing interdependencies, and the aggressive incorporation of components that people wouldn't normally attribute to an init system - all together this makes a very large convoluted software stack being driven and directed by a few people, a software stack that most distros *need*, a software stack that the average person isn't going to be able to figure out or untangle

if people could have just replaced systemd from the start we wouldn't have this multiple year long headache of people crying about systemd, as it stands the effort required to remove systemd from a distro is FAR more than it is to swap to a distro without it, of which there are about 3, leaving the people that don't like systemd out on the road

>>59755282
libsystemd, it's used for talking to the init daemon, logind, networkd, etc.

Is there a prettier DE than Cinnamon?

>>59755356
Yes

I hope the Ubuntu guys port the HUD to GNOME3

best part of unity tbqh

>>59755374
Prove

>>59755134
That's what makes me feel like what I'm missing is right in front of my face.

I downloaded the latest drivers from intel, put them on the flash and carried it over. Made the modprobe .ko, insmod, and have it loading on boot. I don't get it.

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>>59755377
>unity

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>>59755386
XFCE

>>59750900
another reason to gas the autists

>>59755419
did you miss the first part of my comment

the HUD is GOAT, the rest of unity is... below par

>>59755155
GNU/Linux*

New thread when.

>>59755478
*Linux

>>59755478
GNU/Linux/GDM/GNOME3*

>>59755497
GNU/Linux*

>>59750665
how's the weather in 'aviv?

>>59755498
>>59755521
Systemd/GNU/Linux/Gnome3*

>>59755521
*Linux

>>59755498
gdm is gnome which again is gnu

>>59755545
GNU/Linux*

>>59755547
systemd/GNU/Linux/KDM/KDE/Plasma

how about this

>>59755496
inb4 thread archived

>>59755564
*Xorg/systemd/GNU/zlib/Linux

>>59755574
shit forgot about x11/wayland
throw that in too

>>59755564
*Linux

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>>59755594
>>59755574
>>59755498
What we say is that you ought to give the system's principal developer a share of the credit. The principal developer is the GNU Project, and the system is basically GNU.

If you feel even more strongly about giving credit where it is due, you might feel that some secondary contributors also deserve credit in the system's name. If so, far be it from us to argue against it. If you feel that X11 deserves credit in the system's name, and you want to call the system GNU/X11/Linux, please do. If you feel that Perl simply cries out for mention, and you want to write GNU/Linux/Perl, go ahead.

Since a long name such as GNU/X11/Apache/Linux/TeX/Perl/Python/FreeCiv becomes absurd, at some point you will have to set a threshold and omit the names of the many other secondary contributions. There is no one obvious right place to set the threshold, so wherever you set it, we won't argue against it.

Different threshold levels would lead to different choices of name for the system. But one name that cannot result from concerns of fairness and giving credit, not for any possible threshold level, is “Linux”. It can't be fair to give all the credit to one secondary contribution (Linux) while omitting the principal contribution (GNU).

>>59755620
>There is no one obvious right place to set the threshold, so wherever you set it, we won't argue against it.
Good, so I choose to set it at Linux

>>59755620
>uses a mostly GNU-free linux
>still claims GNU credit

>>59755620
>It's fine to not give credit to everyone but us

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>>59755669
Thousands of projects have developed programs commonly included in today's GNU/Linux systems. They all deserve credit for their contributions, but they aren't the principal developers of the system as a whole, so they don't ask to be credited as such.

GNU is different because it is more than just a contributed program, more than just a collection of contributed programs. GNU is the framework on which the system was made.

>>59755693
GNU-free Linux

>>59755709
Exists. For example Android - but you don't call it Linux, you call it Android, since Linux is just the kernel.

>>59755735
https://alpinelinux.org/

>>59755735
There is more GNU-free Linux than android, that you still call "Linux". For example, embedded (µClibc) Linux

>>59755755
>a non-gnu system is a non-gnu system
wew, you could aswell link to microsoft.com

>>59755759
These embedded systems are indeed just the kernel with some helpers, but it doesn't change the fact that the GNU system combined with Linux is the GNU/Linux system.

>>59755771
it's a Linux system though, and it's appropriately called just "Linux"

>>59755693
And it still just means that they are totally fine with everyone but them not getting any credit as long as they get credit.

>>59755813
It's actually the "Linux" people who don't want to share credit.

>>59755618
*GNU/Linux.

NEW THREAD WHEN

>>59755840
No, Linux is the appropriate term because not every Linux system uses GNU. Quit being butthurt just because you're shitty hurd kernel got nowhere.

>>59755840
I've yet to hear someone complain about Android "not giving credit"

>>59755867
Quit being buthurt for getting interjected.

>>59755858
*Linux

>>59755883
they are playing on the same team, google developes linux, linux is used by google

>>59755890
>tries to make a GNU kernel
>fails
>GNU becomes used in some versions of Linux
>gets butthurt for not giving credit

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>>59755891
*GNU/Linux.

>>59755932
>implying hurd won't be finished any moment now

just you wait

>>59755936
*Linux

>>59755932
>some versions
XD

>>59755963
https://alpinelinux.org
no GNU, but still Linux

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>>59755954
*GNU/Linux.

-> >>59755977

>>59755984
*Linux

>>59755979
gnu is an os, linux is an os, combining them makes it gnu/linux

alpine is different, it's just linux

simple, isn't it? so stop posting your retarded non-argument