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So toms hardware says it's not worth it to upgrade only 2 tiers, should be at least 3.

Does that mean going from a 670 to a 480 is stupid?

>>59722035
>670 to a 480 is stupid?
no

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https://pcpartpicker.com/list/ZV3T3F
Console emulation build for $700. Heard the 7350k was the one exception to the "i3s are no longer worth it" purely for console emulation.

Willing to spend money on better components by leaving out the RX470 to purchase later. Main concern with a cooler to handle keeping the CPU at safe temps overclocked and a case with good enough airflow.

>>59722035
no
>>59722057
read the OP. whoever was giving that advice is lobotomized. that build is garbage.

Posting this again since I posted it at the end of the last thread:

Looking to build a new PC and I need help. Should I get a Ryzen 5 1500X or an i5-7500? Both will be running with 16GB of 2400mhz RAM and a GTX 1060 6GB.

>>59722035
That shit is dated. Why the fuck are you looking at that?
All of those prices are wrong.

You can get an R9 Fury for $235 on Amazon right now.

>Does that mean going from a 670 to a 480 is stupid?
No. What the fuck. A 480 is over twice as good if not more.

>>59722057
Good build for emulators and dwarf fortress, yes.

>>59722112
>should i get an unreleased component
LOL

7500 will 75% outclass the ryzen 5s

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came with my mobo, any1?

>>59722112
All i5 are garbage. Should not be bought under any circumstances.

A 1500X or locked i7 are both options.

You could probably overclock the ram if it's currently 2400mhz @ 1.2v.

>>59722132
>7500 will 75% outclass the ryzen 5s
holy shit. you really are a shill faggot. no wonder.

>>59722092
Would a 7500 with a B250M be better? I want to come up with a not-garbage build.

>>59722057
Looks good. You could definitely get away with a cheaper gpu or just see how well the iGPU handles your emulation and then add a card in later. The gpu is really only stressed by anti-aliasing when emulating, which is nice but maybe not worth $150. That psu is also nice but a 430w would probably suffice.

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>>59722132

>>59722125
it's not lol, do you really think you're smart for parroting something you've heard? congrats, you have the cognitive function of a hydranencephalous infant

>>59722147
>All i5 are garbage. Should not be bought under any circumstances.

citation needed

>You could probably overclock the ram if it's currently 2400mhz @ 1.2v.

LOL

Who do I pity more, the idiots who've owned 2 or so computers total but dispense misinformation like they're big into the scene, or the idiots who gobble the advice up like a 10 year old?

>>59722166
leagues better, but a G4560 would work more than sufficiently

>>59722190
it doesn't look good lmfao

>>59722192
>b8 xDDDD

>>59722166
i3 and i5 are useless atm, eigther go pentium or go ryzen

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>>59722166
The dude is a shill faggot. Don't listen to him. His dad works at Intel is all.

The 1500X is unquestionably better than the 7600k, let alone the locked 7500.

It's only a bit worse than the locked 7700 for much cheaper and with a better upgrade path, but the locked 7700 is much better than even a highly overclocked 7600k.

>>59722210
>i5 are useless atm

read the OP. do some actual research. where does ignorance end and idiocy begin?

>>59722221
>literally citing faked benchmarks on unreleased cpus on a ridiculous cherry-picked selection of games

shilling must be hard for you huh

again, big claims for someone who owns 1 computer.

>>59722035
I have a 480 and it's great
a GTX 480 to be precise

>>59722221
if ryzen 7 is any indication the r5 1400 should be as good as the 1500x if you want to OC

>>59722221
>but the locked 7700 is much better than even a highly overclocked 7600k.
For games? Are you high?

>>59722263
Must be nice not needing a heater in the winter.

>>59722242
>fake benchmarks
L M A O.

It's the same CPU with 2 cores disabled just like you can do in the BIOS.

>>59722268
People have gotten 1400s earlier. They only clock to 3.8 on the stock cooler, it looks like.

1500X looks like it's going to have double the L3 cache, and should clock to 3.9-4.0.

The 1400 overclocked is still, on average, so much better than a 7500 though, if that's your baseline and you want to save money.

>>59722272
Yes, for games. It's on average a 30-35% minimum framerate improvement.
A 4.8Ghz overclock on a 7600k is only about a 20% FPS improvement.

>>59722272
no he's a lying shill.

>>59722268
too bad ryzen 7 isn't an indication and your advice is just baseless conjecture.

holy shit people are ridiculous

>>59722300
> It's the same CPU with 2 cores disabled just like you can do in the BIOS.

LOL THIS GUY

>Yes, for games. It's on average a 30-35% minimum framerate improvement.
A 4.8Ghz overclock on a 7600k is only about a 20% FPS improvement.

LOL

>he 1400 overclocked is still, on average, so much better than a 7500 though, if that's your baseline and you want to save money.

LOL

again, people, anyone can post on the internet, even if you don't know what you're talking about.

>>59722190
Thanks and yes I was thinking the same thing with holding off on the GPU for later if I wanted to increase the anti aliasing or internal resolution later on.

Would a liquid cooler be worth it if I wanted to really push the CPU? I want to run stuff like Shadow of the Colossus at full speed.

>>59722345
no a liquid cooler would not be worth it at all lmao. You're just doing emulation for pete's sake. don't get an i3.

>>59722263
kek
i pity you

>>59722334
>he thinks 4.8 is more than 20% higher than 4.0

L M A O

this fucking israeli lives in fantasy land. That's the only way to justify the bullshit he says.

>>59722366
Liquid coolers are imo only worth it, if you have a 110+W chip, or you want a balls-> walls OC (which most modern CPUs don't do anylonger)

>>59722398
you obviously don't know how computers work, just parrot things you hear. it's your money, so do what you like. and if people fall for your ignorance that's their prerogative. feels bad to be a brainlet huh

>>59722207
>it's not lol, do you really think you're smart for parroting something you've heard? congrats, you have the cognitive function of a hydranencephalous infant
It's well known that the i3-7350k is the best single core performance for the price which makes it best for emulators unless they use a certain instruction set that can only be found on another CPU.

An older unlocked dual core would do fine too though, sure.

Are you sure you're not the stupid one? There seems to be a lot of people in this thread pointing out how stupid you are.

>>59722447
agreed, i would only do liquid on an i7, ryzen 7, or certain xeons

>>59722462
THIS

I currently have a bootleg copy of Windows 8.1
Is it worth upgrading to the free version of Windows 10?

>>59722113
>>59722092
>>59722047

What about the memes?
Housefires and no drivers?

>>59722462
>It's well known that the i3-7350k is the best single core performance for the price
>well known
we're laughing at you over on my side of things. holy fuck /g/ newfags never fail to surprise.

>There seems to be a lot of people in this thread pointing out how stupid you are.
argumentum ad populum (google it)

kekekek

>>59722500
(You)

>>59722533
get an rx 480 you wont be disappointed. or 1060 if price is comparable in your country

>>59722515
just get the full version of w10

>>59722515
if you want ms botnet sure

>>59722545
So windows 10 pro?

What is the best budget cpu cooler now?

New thread since sagay keeps being a huge faggot that never helps anyone and just shills.
>>59722572
>>59722572

>>59722598
hyper212 like it has been forever

Dear /pcbg/.

I dont know if this is right place to ask but lately, when trying to find out how to deal with rather high temperatures of my RX480 from Sapphire, I noticed that it applies voltages higher than most people report for their cards - today, max one was ~1.22V.

Is that normal?

>>59722598
again, you have random shills telling you random stuff. The Cryorig H7 and Arctic Freezer i32 are the two best overall, they trade off in certain areas.

>>59722633
sapphire tends to have this problem, either undervolt and deal with it or go for an RMA if it's that bad. temps below 85c are fine though.

>>59722633
what driver version are you on?

>>59722643

Wont undervolting be dangerous?

Everyone move to other PCBG.

>>59722664
if you don't know how to do it yeah

>>59722661

16.12.2

>>59722664
no, it will actually make you gpu last longer

Need to choose between 2 cases, pls help:
> Deepcool TESSERACT SW
vs
> Aerocool V3X Advance Black

They cost about the same here, it will be for a budget G4560+RX470 build

>>59722695
i own a tesseract sw, i've worked with a v3x, pick whichever one you prefer aesthetically. they're similar.

>>59722688
gpu lifespan isn't really a part of the equation any more

>>59722684
Ok in that version you should still be fine undervolting. In 17.xx.x Amd started lowering ilde voltages, which means you can no longer undervolt using MSI Afterburner ect. (i.e. a fixed using an offset) because you will start getting crashes when opening GPU accelerated programs (like you web browser), even though you undervolt is stable in games (under load).

>>59722772
i menat Graphics card not gpu
fans are still dying every now and then

>>59722841
fair enough yeah. I mean, undervolting and fan control both help with keeping those things functional for a long time.

which aftermarket 1080ti looks best, pls help

busget is unlimited, but i want one with good cooling

>games randomly black screening with buzzing through the speakers
>PSU replaced, did nothing
>no visual artifacts of any kind before the crash
>temps all normal
>PC rock solid stable for everything other than 3D games

It's probably the graphics card, despite the lack of any symptoms but it's annoying as hell

Ryzen 5s are probably the best Bang:buck CPUs. There's no chance of any good value midrange GPUs coming out in the next month or so is there?

>>59722905
looks best? whatever the fuck you want lol. if you mean like best overall, probably the cheapest EVGA one. or MSI if you're into that lmao

>>59722940
did you try installing and reinstalling drivers?

the best value CPU ever created is the Pentium G4560. next month or so has the RX 500 series, and vega later in Q2. As for Ryzen 5s, they're gonna compete but they're massively overshilled. we've had tons of newfags shilling them for a while now.

Mac Book Pro or Surface Pro?

>>59722974
for what? i'd love to say neither but

>>59722940
> There's no chance of any good value midrange GPUs coming out in the next month or so is there?
rx 500 will be out next month but it is just a rx400 rebrand/refresh. This however should at least make 470/480 prices go down.

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>>59722263
Did you pair it with a stock semen Skylake?

Fractal Design Define S Windowless or Phanteks Enthoo P400S w/ Window?

Both are around the same price but the Define S has a more simplistic design.

Is displayport better than HDMI?

>>59723035
whichever one you'll enjoy looking at more. they perform the same, it's a case.

>>59723027
little chance of that. they're already scraping the bottom in terms of workable profit margins.

>>59723047
hdmi 2.0 is good but the rest isn't. i'd still go displayport

>>59723047
yes, because its not proprietary

>>59723072
i guess retailers will still try to get rid of their stock

>>59723007
Digital media creation. I need a touch-screen and portability so I can work on a beach or a mountainside depending on where my work takes me.

>>59723114
we'll see. don't get your hopes up lol

>>59722132
>Can't tell performance of an unreleased component
>Predicts performance of an unreleased component

>>59723144
touchscreen? go surface

>>59723163
75% will be better overall. 25% will be worse overall. English must not be your first language, or you're a mongoloid

OK guys, ready to hit the order button, please stop me if I'm doing it wrong:

>MSI B250M BAZOOKA
>Intel G4560
>Gigabyte RX470 4GB GAMING-4GD
>Chieftech 550W GPS-550A8 PSU
>2x4GB Kingston HyperX Fury
>1TB WD Blue 7200 RPM
>Aerocool V3X Black case

Total: 550 USD with taxes (europoor prices)

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The NH-D15 SE AM4 only comes with mounting hardware for the AM4 socket, can I mount it with the intel hardware of my old NH-C12P SE14?

>>59723213
>PSU

sketchy. rest looks good.

do you have cheapest b250 mobo? cheapest 2x4 ram? cheapest rx 470? etc.

Give me a site to look at and I'll pick you out a better PSU if there's one available.

>>59722974
Nice b8 m8

>>59723213
take a look at this psu
https://geizhals.eu/enermax-naxn-basic-450w-atx-2-3-enp450agt-a1518724.html
also 1x8 might be cheaper than 2x4 gb ram

>>59723197
I may be a mongoloid, but at least I'm not a fucking shill

>>59723349
>I may be a mongoloid
kek

>>59723338
that one is only marginally better afaik

>>59723233
Most likely

>>59723243
>>59723338
Picked the 2nd-3rd cheapest of everything. The 2x4gb costs the same as a 1x8gb right now.
Unfortunately this price range of PSU is dominated by rebrands in my country, so my options are limited.
Another PSU option might be a Thermaltake 500W TR2 S ?

Here is a site if you are willing to browse some hungarian:
https://www.pcx.hu/tapegyseg_minosegi

I cant fucking decide between the rx 480 and the gtx 1060

Help

>>59723480
>>59723480
> dominated by rebrands
> Thermaltake
kek

id rather get that 350Wcorsair unit
https://www.pcx.hu/corsair-350w-vs350-cp-9020052-eu-tapegyseg-116712
it should be enougth for a pentium and rx470

>>59723566
cheaper

>>59723613
Does the 4gb vs 6gb matter on 1080p?

>>59723626
no

>>59723626
no
at least if you dont mod the shit out of you games.
the only game that caps out my 4gb of vram on my 290 is skyrim with around 130 mods installed.

>>59723596
ok, I'm getting a Corsair then
sticking to a 550W VS550 in case I decide to upgrade the cpu in a few years, its not that more expensive anyway

Looking for some advise, im planning on upgrading my HDD. I was originally going to get
https://pcpartpicker.com/product/MwW9TW/western-digital-internal-hard-drive-wd10ezex
but then came across
https://pcpartpicker.com/product/n28H99/seagate-firecuda-1tb-35-7200rpm-hybrid-internal-hard-drive-st1000dx002
I already have a 480g SSD. Im sure i'll be fine with 1TB, i just want fast storage under $100. So would the SSHD be worth the extra? What should i get?

>>59722035
>tomshardware
never ever

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Need an around 550$ build that will outperform the ps4 and xbox, will be helpful if it includes windows 7, 8.1 or 10 (whatever is the most cheap).

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Can anyone vouch for an All in One kit? I understand that it's not much of an improvement over a high end fan, like the DH-15 or the Cryorig Ultimate.

I want to put together a build purely for BOINC distributed projects. Something that will run at 100% 24/7 and wont be used for anything else.

Primarily asteroids@home and SETI@home, but occasionally other projects when work units aren't available.

With a ~$600-800 budget, what's the best way to maximize my FLOPS?

>>59725123

AiO are a product for people that know about the advantages of water cooling but are too cheap, stupid, or lazy to set up a proper loop themselves.

There might be some specific applications where they are an ideal choice, but in almost every circumstance you'd be better served by either a top-notch air cooler, or by building a proper water cooling loop.

>>59725030
g4560+rx470+hdd+cheap case+cheap psu+cheapest b250 mobo

>>59725268
>but in almost every circumstance you'd be better served by either a top-notch air cooler, or by building a proper water cooling loop
AIOs are better for 24/7/365 systems, since you don't have to do fluid replacement/maintenance for at least two years of operation

>>59726442

>Fluid replacement.

It takes like 10-15 minutes tops to drain a loop and re-fill it with fresh coolant, at least if you put it together right.

You only need to do it once or twice a year if you're using good components and coolant. If you're using cheap ass tubing and pure distilled with no anti corrosives or anything, maybe 3-4 times a year. Also depends on what kind of load the system is under.

Lazyness isn't an excuse.

Should I get Ryzen 5 1400 or 1500 when they come out? Looking for a i5-7500 equivalent.

>>59726501
>Lazyness isn't an excuse.
Downtime isn't an excuse either if you're running a render farm

Is there any reason why I shouldn't go ahead and build the "excellent" Tier in Canada right now for logical increments?
http://www.logicalincrements.com/

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>>59721868
>Replay DXHR
>now i want to play the new one
>install DXMD
>uh oh my computer is having minor issues with this
>first game in like 3 years that gave my rig problems
>see all these shiny new hi spec gizmos on newegg
>time for an upgrade spree
i didn't like having all that money anyways

>>59727426
You're not going to be getting good frames on the new one no matter what, it's a terribly optimized piece of shit.

>>59727528
Figures, but the upgrade seed has already been planted

>Want a good rig that will be competitive for 4-5 years
>Will use for running code, playing 4K movies
>Won't use for gaming
>Future-proofing rather than rolling upgrades
>Not overclocking anything
>Budget: $3-4k

Below is what I've narrowed it down to so far. I can't decide on a processor - do I need 8 cores for the 1080ti or will 4 be enough? Any other suggestions?

CPU:
i7-6900K
i7-7700K
Ryzen 1800X

GPU:
gtx1080ti

SSD:
Samsung SSD 960 PRO 512GB

RAM:
G.SKILL Trident Z DDR4 4000 (4 x 8GB) if 7700 or 1800
G.SKILL Trident Z DDR4 3400 (4 x 16GB) if 6900

OS:
Windows 7 Ultimate

Other stuff:
motherboard, case, cooling, power supply, 4k display - will choose later

>>59722135
has anyone seen my glasses

>>59729122
>4-5 years
Ryzen 1800X only because the AM4 platform is going to be relevant for a good 3-4 years.
LGA 2011-3 and 1151 are going to die this year.
>Future-proofing rather than rolling upgrades
It's better to have the option to upgrade if something happens to your CPU.

>>59729373
Don't listen to this Ryzen shill, get Intel and don't look back.
Here is the philosophy of waitfags:
>you have 2 bottles of milk in your fridge, one is old one is new.
>drink the old one first, in the meantime the new one becomes old
>now buy a new bottle of milk, and repeat
They get cheap shitty components over and over rather than buying a new top-of-the-line component and using it for 5 years.

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There's two threads so I may as well repost this here:

I'm building a PC for gaming, developing games, and other miscellaneous tasks like emulation, 3D-modeling, and video editing.

https://pcpartpicker.com/list/LNrkyf

I'm not sure what to get for the CPU, motherboard, and GPU.

RAM I plan to expand to 16GB but it'd be something I buy a little while after I put it all together. I'm not sure if that's a decent chip or not.

Between the two HDDs I only plant to buy one. Hitachi doesn't seem as popular as WD and I'm wondering why people stay away from them. They're cheaper and seem to have lower failure rates?

GPU I'm either getting a 1060 6GB or a RX 480 8GB as they're pretty much the same price where I live.

No clue what to get with the CPU. I'm hesitant about the new Ryzen stuff but Intel seems overpriced by comparison.

PSU will probably just be something EVGA that fits the wattage of the final build.

Not sure what to do on the Motherboard.

>>59730142
here's my suggestion:

CPU:
i7-7700K

GPU:
gtx1080ti

SSD:
Samsung SSD 960 PRO 512GB

RAM:
G.SKILL Trident Z DDR4 4000 (4 x 8GB)

Any motherboard that accommodates these will be fine

>>59730181
I don't really mind splurging on a CPU but that GPU is way outta my budget. Can I ask why you recommended it? Just "future proofing"?

The SSD and RAM seem a bit more than I wanted too. Are those just good, higher-end parts?

>>59722533
Nvidia has the meme cards nowadays

>>59730230
yeah the 1080ti is good for 3d modeling and video editing like what you want to use it for. The 1080 will work too, and is a bit cheaper. You'll probably want to edit 4k video in a few years, so that will leave you prepared. If you go with a lower model gpu, you can downgrade the ram and ssd as well. A gpu is more important for video editing, so if you splurge on anything, splurge on that.

>>59730582
I guess I gave the wrong impression. I don't do video editing on any sort of professional level so I don't really need the rig to back it up. I've just made some short films over the year as a hobby and my laptop did not handle working with them well.

The primary function is playing and making games so I think either of the two GPUs I'm deciding between should suffice for my needs. But either way, thank you for the suggestions.

What's a recommended PSU wattage for r9 390x paired with an r7 1700?

>>59730779
I'd prioritize fire extinguishers.

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Looking to buy a GPU this month or next month. Currently on an i7-7700k using its iGPU, 16GB of RAM 3200mhz. Do you guys think there will be prices drop when VEGA hits?

I only play at 1080p but I'd like something a bit "future-proof" still so I'm not sure getting a 480 or a 1060 would be really worth my money. My monitor is getting old too so it might die and I might have to change it, if I do so I'm thinking of getting a 1080p 144hz, maybe. I'm not sure I'd be interested in 2K or 4K really since I mostly play a lot of retro or emulation games, but I do like newer FPS games (like BF1). Thoughts? What do?

>>59730872
If you only play at 1080p and you're on integrated graphics right now, buying something on the RX 480 tier is a huge upgrade and will most likely be able to play games on 1080p for years to come. Barring the shitty unoptimized games, but that's the fault of the developers.

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Is this the perfect case?

>$60
>mid tower so it can fit atx boards
>no ugly protruding sides

>>59731814
Na. The cooler master 360 elite is the best case ever made.

>>59730872
There will be price cuts when competition is introduced always, but waiting forever is useless.
Future-proofing is stupid too if you don't have the cash to spare, you'll be spending in the 'diminishing returns for the money' range to get something that might keep up for an extra year, two or three, but won't have that new fancy optimization tech, won't get optimized for in games and will most likely get gimped by new driver releases optimizing for newer cards.

RAM and motherboard features seem like the only places you can reasonably future-proof anything.

Now post more lewds.

>>59730872
RX470 4GB is enough if you just don't max out textures made for 4K resolution, which tends to be what uses gobs of VRAM.
That's even cheaper than the RX480 8GB.

The most "future proof" cards since the original GCN is almost surely going to be Vega itself, though.

The 8GB of VRAM on an RX480 might keep it from being VRAM limited in the future, but it's not going to keep its compute, raster, and shader performance from not being enough.
It's a good card for current 1080p and even 1440p, but it's going to fall off much faster than the 7970 and 290X did.

https://pcpartpicker.com/list/cqdgNN

I already have the CPU and GPU. How does everything else look? Going with the motherboard for aesthetic/future-proofing reasons.

>>59732200
Will the GPU fit?
Looks fine, though why pay so much for a 1080 instead of getting the $420 one? Unless that's a small one that'll fit.

And I feel you'll regret the ultrawide.
Especially spending so much for one with HDR10 coming soon, and Freesync2 having a standard for it.

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Fractal Design Define R5

or

NZXT S340 ELITE

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>>59721868
Positive or negative air pressure within case?

I'm leaning positive personally: less dust and less concern with temps because I'm not overclocking.

I want to go with either a 3 intake/2 exhaust or 2 intake/1 exhaust. Does the GPU's exhaust constitute a case exhaust? How about the PSU?

Thoughts?

>>59732497
R5, >>59732519 is my R5.

>>59732310
>And I feel you'll regret the ultrawide.
Different poster but I mostly regret my ultrawide. 25in, 2560x1080. The meme is neat but I'd prefer two 24in 144hz 1080p monitors desu. Can't go back now though

>>59729720
Could you not shill the shit 7700k?
Thank you and DELET

>>59732497
>no DVD/CD/Blu-ray slot
lmao'ing at your life

>>59732541
I have heard few people that don't regret their ultrawides.

I was considering it. Going to go 2560x1600 instead if I can get an HDR10 monitor in that.

Or 4K as long as I can get that in 16:10 if that's an option.

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>>59731814
>>59731926
Ahem

>>59732497
Literally this>>59732565

Corsair 450d

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>>59732589
That wouldn't be as bad I don't think.

The problem I have is a 2k 25in monitor is juuuust too small to replace two monitors. Its fine if you're cool with two small screens though.

>>59732604
Any bottom-read mount PSU is generally an instant drop for a case not designed for custom loops.

It creates so much empty useless space in the bottom middle and bottom front of the case that only a reservoir and pump can really fill. I'm not putting 6-9 large HDDs there, plus filling up the space for 6 more on the top-front.
PSU should go on the top across from drive bays, or the top-front where drive bays would go for a drive-bay-less case.

But I'll say that that Corsair case is nicer than others, at least. a 200mm fan on the side would be better.

>>59732621
I was considering 34".. that'd be about the height of my current 1920x1200 24".
But it's like.. just no. I'd rather have better pixel density with 1600 vertical pixels at least. And I was going to still multi-monitor anyway.

>>59732565
>he still uses optical media

Dude...

>>59732541

I'd like to get a 1440p ultrawide, not 1080p

>>59732310

I already own the GPU. And what other 1440p monitors would be better?

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>>59732723
>he doesn't have music or video collection
>he doesn't burn his animus and mango's onto mdiscs so they can be discovered by aliens in a 1000 years after humanity has been wiped out by global nuclear war.

shiggydiggydoo.

>>59732760
So you have a disc drive for... nothing?

>>59732760
>He doesn't embrace wiping our """""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""culture"""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""" out

>>59732758
Oh right. You said you already owned it. Use the "cog" button to mark it as already bought to make it more clear next time, though. Gets confusing going from post to post.

>>59732760
aliens will only read data crystals

>>59732790
>mc donalds edjewkayshun

I have a dvd's and cd's that I still use. I burn dvd's for installation discs for differen os's. I also burn mdiscs for family photo's, videos, and documents.

>>59732903
Why can't you use a superior jump drive for those?

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>>59732565
Please be less of a retard in future posts.

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>>59721868
Does this mobo(D1800B-ITX) good enough for Torrent+FTP box?
im going to put this in the my parents house hidden in their attic.

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>>59732926
>movies and albums are sold on thumbdrives
also:
>information on thumdrives
>lasting
I still have dvd of ubuntu 9.10 somewhere

>>59732973
Waste of money/power for that usage. Just get a Raspberry Pi or similar, maybe better English lessons too.

>>59733008
The "official" discs were just CDs before the releases got too large and they stopped doing it.

>>59732519
Anyone? I am torn between going for positive or negative airflow and others' experience would be helpful

>>59733346
Why? Can't you just google and see that positive is better?
Higher air pressure makes your fans inside grippier on the air in there, and isolates where air is coming in to better filter dust there.

I think because it's one of the most basic questions that's been answered a million times (like push vs pull fans), people aren't bothering. I saw it before, and I didn't bother.

>>59733388
I have googled it and didn't see a consensus. If anything I saw a discrepancy between positive versus negative. Pros and cons to each.

What I'm seeing is positive is cooler but introduces more dust into the case. I guess what I'm asking is the amount of dust introduced, is it worth it or is it enough to go with a negative pressure set up to avoid the dust? I have a dust filter but live in a high pet dander house.

http://www.tomshardware.com/forum/238184-31-case-airflow-positive-negative-pressure
http://www.tomshardware.com/forum/329241-28-positive-negative-pressure
http://www.overclock.net/t/1219634/positive-air-pressure-what-you-need-to-know-to-keep-your-pc-clean-and-happy
https://www.reddit.com/r/buildapc/comments/2en24g/positive_pressure_vs_negative_and_pull_vs_push/

>>59732973
an orange pi is good enough for that.

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Rate my build pls, I just need it for heavy gaming. It's my first one so I want to know if everything will work together. Thanks.

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>>59733499
Cont.

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>>59733509
Cont.(2)

>>59722035
>Does that mean going from a 670 to a 480 is stupid?
A 480 is significantly faster than a 670. Tom's hardware GPU tier list is terrible, especially for GPUs of different generations. It also says the 5970 is in the same tier as the 670, but will be significantly slower in most modern games than a 670.

>>59721868
I bricked my motherboard, And I want to get a newer, More recent one. Should I get an L1156 and G4650. or FM2+ and an FX6300 (6 cores 3,00GhZ). I'm leaning towards AMD since my pc is almost entirely AMD built. But, What does /g/ say


>t. Native dutchman

>>59733499
>evo212
not this meme garbage guerrilla marketed bullshit.

>unlocked i7
>locked motherboard
??

>spend $500 on cpu+motherboard+ram
>spend $60 on shitty ass RAM
what

>USD prices. 1060?
Pretty sure that is only worthwhile in Australia and a few other places where RX480 8Gbs cost the same.

>at least the SSD is good...

>Oh, a shit ass PSU to go with the expensive CPU and shit, too

>retail price win7

>an.. extra ethernet card when the motherboard has one already? This some new dual internet meme?

This is the worst build I think that's been posted the past 24 hours.

Next time just link the fucking page instead of taking 3 phone screenshots.

>>59733534
>Tom's hardware ... is terrible
Fixed it for you.

Recently my SSD went ded. My OS and all my shit was on it and a 1 TB HDD for storage.

I bought a new 2TB HDD for the new OS, because I don't want the SSD dying on my again with my OS on it.

Now the SSD suddenly went alive again, but I already got all my shit on the new HDD.

Now I don't want to use the old SSD again for my OS, because it might die any time, but would formating it and using it for games until it dies again be a good configuration, loading times wise?

>>59733577
Is there no way to recover them? It's probably the controller that's dead, and all. That's usually what goes well before the actual memory.

>but would formating it and using it for games until it dies again be a good configuration, loading times wise?
Sure.

>>59733620
Well I installed a fresh OS on the 2TB HDD, but now suddenly the SSD is recognized again.

I already backuped all my old files but now I still have a -working- SSD, which could die any moment.

So I don't wanna put the OS on it again, but I guess if it dies with 1 or 2 games on it, it's fine.

>>59733541
Buy a windmill & toothpaste instead

>>59733558
Ok so FYI prices will not be the same as they are on the list, that's just a general number I guess. I found lots of this stuff a little cheaper than they were on the list.

>evo12 meme
What are you even saying, I'm new to this, I don't understand.

>locked motherboard
Can you please explain what this means

>shitty ass ram
I don't understand, is 8gb not enough?

>mobo has Ethernet already
Didn't know, whatever.

>worst build
Ok

>>59733499
If this isn't bait, please lurk more or get someone more capable to build your computer.

>>59727043
It's literally a WEEK until Ryzen R5 is released. Unless you have a compelling reason why you need a new computer RIGHT NOW, just wait.

>>59733700
Your cooler is shit, your RAM and power supply are shit compared to how much you're spending on other parts, your choice of CPU is stupid for your choice of motherboard and you should probably just give up.

>>59733532
>>59733509
>>59733499
That's a waste of money, Please get someone capable to build your PC. Hell I'd even do it for you

>>59733739
Alright. Thanks, I'll do some more research. Out of curiosity for a 1300$ build what would you suggest?

Which mobo is better Asus Z270f or Msi z270 krait gaming?

>>59733700
Did you seriously think literally every mobo wasn't going to pack a built-in RJ45 port in this day and age?

>/pcbg/ - PC Building General
Nobody here is "building" a PC, all you really do is assembly premade parts. I suggest renaming general into "/pcag/ - Pc assembly general" to avoid confusion

>>59733541
>Should I get an L1156 and G4650. or FM2+ and an FX6300 (6 cores 3,00GhZ).
LGA1156 isn't compatible with G4650, and FM2+ isn't compatible with FX 6300.

Is the GTX 970 a good card to buy second hand? I can buy one for around 300 NZD. A New rx480 would cost 420NZD and a new 1070 will be about 550NZD.

>>59733767
Hit me up on discord, We can talk about what you want to do and such, And I can explain what the terms 'locked' and 'unlocked' mean


WHOM THOTTIN #0115

>>59729122
>Want a good rig that will be competitive for 4-5 years
Don't, future proofing is doesn't exist, a much better idea would be to to aim for 2x $2K rigs each lasting about 2.5 years. You'll end up with 95% of the same performance on the first PC, and much, much faster performance on the second one, compared to if you spend $4K on one build. In the end you'll have two PCs instead of one, and can turn the other one into a home server, or media center, or something like that.

Firstly get a 1700 for the CPU. Running code is one area Ryzen excels in.

Since you aren't gaming don't even bother with a high end GPU, all it will do sit there idling at 5% load, taking up space. Something like a 1050 will do everything you'd need without even breaking a sweat for many years. 4K movies aren't difficult to run. The only reason to buy a high end gaming GPU is for gaming, if you need GP-GPU performance get a used first gen Titan Black (can't buy them new since they're out of proportion), or go all in and buy a Quadro or Firepro/Radeon-Pro.

Get 2x 16 GB running at 3200MHz with low CAS latency.

>>59733541
>I bricked my motherboard
You sure senpai? Explain. That's pretty difficult to do.

>Should I get FM2+/AM3 processor
How about fuck no. Wait for Ryzen 5.

>>59733848
All it does is idle, No integrated GPU output. Nothing, I was going to install the drivers for my second-hand R9 270X but I cant even boot into bios

Crucial Ballistix Sport DDR4 8gb
Intel Pentium G4560 Box
500GB Seagate HDD
Shit Case
MSI H270 Mortar Arctic S1151
Coolermaster G450M 450W
Is this shit ok for android studio, movies and light games?
I would later add GTX1050Ti or RX470 and SSD, then in the future upgrade CPU and again graphics.
Is this legit or can I go better? I live in EU if it matters

>>59733644
You can use free software to clone your boot drive onto your storage drive as a backup (and run regular backups) to prevent this from happening again. I've never had an SSD die on me but there is no fucking way I'm going back to using an HDD based OS.

Seriously just learn to back your shit up.

I think I'm gonna buy a 1050

>>59733817
It's only flaw is the 3.5 GB VRAM limit, you'll have to downgrade texture quality pretty soon if not already. If you are okay with that then feel free to buy it.

>>59733871
Seems pretty good. I'd recommend getting SSD straight away so you don't have to reinstall OS when adding it later, but that's up to you.

>>59733725
The 212 Evo is perfectly adequate unless he's going to be heavily overclocking and since he's such a fucking noob with a B250 mobo we know that isn't going to be the case.

Seriously the Hyper 212 Evo is the least of his concerns with that build.

>>59733867
Cut power from it completely and clear CMOS by taking out the motherboard battery for 15 minutes. Try again on integrated graphics.

>>59733901
Thanks, I'll try it!

>>59733346
>>59733461
>postive:
>little to no dust if filters are over intake fans
>increased heat since hot air has to dissipate passively through random holes in pc.

>negative
>more dust
>best way to dissipate heat.

>>59733924
Positive pressure doesn't mean you have no exhaust fans, though.

>>59733772
Anyone?

>>59733499
>>59733509
Buy a larger/better air cooler like a cryorig h5. Replace your ram with dual 8gb sticks (2x8gb) of gskill ram rated at 3000mhz. replace your mobo with a Gigabyte or MSI z270 motherboard that has built in wifi. replace your ssd with a samsung or intel nvme boot drive (128gb) + hitachi hdd (1tb+). Also I would recommend a more powerful psu, but I have the same psu and it works well, so if you might want to use a ultra powerful card like the amd fury you would want a 750w.

>>59733700
>Didn't know, whatever.
So read the specs sheet?
Look at the picture of the i/o ports?

>>59733767
>Out of curiosity for a 1300$ build what would you suggest?
https://pcpartpicker.com/list/4WLG6X $921 and have lots of money left over
or
https://pcpartpicker.com/list/VsfwFd for $1191. 1080 and a locked 7700.

>>59733817
>Is the GTX 970 a good card to buy second hand?
No, it's pretty much the worst. Wouldn't be worth it even for like $75 unless you know you won't play any of the games that it runs worse than a GTX 1050 or RX460 does on.

>>59733871
Looks good except like the other guy said, I'd just go straight for a decent SSD as that'll stick with you longer than those other parts.
And since you're in EU, I'm pretty sure you can get that HIS RX470 for 170 euro which is way better performance/$ than any 1050Ti is. 1050Ti is only worth it if more than 35% cheaper.

>>59733882
there are better ways to kill yourself

>>59734032
cryorig h5 is a good suggestion.

But really this dude shouldn't be buying a 7700k at all. He's never going to overclock. He'll somehow blow up his computer if he tries and it's not worth the cost either way.

>>59733963
Literally flip a coin or get whichever is cheaper.

>>59733949
The point is that you have no exhaust fans and you you use all available fans to push filtered air into the pc case to increase pressure inside your case so air passively exits your case preventing dust from getting in through random holes in your case that aren't covered with a filter.

Have MSI upped their quality standards in recent years or are people just unaware of their reputation? I worked as an I.T. service tech for 4 years and hardly ever saw "high end" motherboards fail aside from MSI stuff.

>>59734091
Are they really that similar?

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>>59734057
most mobo's offer a overclocking tool or software suite that makes overclocking a simple press of a button.

>>59734139
apparently you missed the guy's previous posts.

>>59734049
By the way, Newegg drastically jumped their R9 Fury prices.

It looks like they're finally running low on stock. I'm only seeing them cheap on Amazon anymore, and $5 more there now.

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>>59734049
>there are better ways to kill yourself
i thought that was the best card for price vs performance

>>59734095
They are almost identical aside from a few minor things like on board audio and LAN chipsets. The MSI board claims to support DDR4 4000 MHz which is a little faster than the ASUS at 3866. Not an issue unless you were planning on buying super expensive RAM which I'm guessing is a no.

>>59734261
What, no. The 1050 is integrated-GPU tier unless you're on some kind of poverty-tier pre-built with a poverty-tier power supply. You're better off saving up for an RX 470 if you have a need for a "real" graphics card.

>>59734261
>i thought that was the best card for price vs performance
No, it's only 50% better than the iGPU in an A12-9800K. Only about 3x better than the iGPU of the $60 G4560 that's a fucking CPU too.
When your dGPU is hardly better than iGPUs, yet costs $110+, it's dog shit. Like >>59734309
said.

It's not worth buying a dGPU unless it's at least as powerful as the RX470, given you can find RX470s for $110 or less very often the past few weeks.
The 1050Ti can be worth it too if it's an mITX build and that's all that fits, or not in the USA and it's over 30% cheaper than the RX470.
For some reason RX470 are cheaper in the USA despite being 40-50% faster on average than the 1050Ti.

>>59734319
>>59734309
>AMD
sorry, i'm not paying for another house fire

>>59733901
Nothing, It's in some sorta bootloop

>>59734363
Did you do/change anything before this started?

>>59734362
>144W max power draw under torture
>housefire
Ok bro, enjoy your 1050 "graphics"

>>59734386
>Did you do/change anything before this started?
Just the graphics card, And I reverted to stock BIOS settings, Then I got an error message saying that it couldnt find my bootdrive, After I changed the order so it boots to my HDD first i've been getting nothing.

>>59734415
So I'm just a little confused. Can you even get a BIOS splash screen or get in to BIOS at all or just total blackness? Any flashing cursor?

>>59734386
Do you have any way I can reach you in private, Like an email or something?

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>>59734461
no erp on /g/

>>59734452
total blackness.

>>59734474
okay, now you're really getting lewd

>>59734285
huh?

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Got a question concerning airflow

Here's the build: https://pcpartpicker.com/list/yrg9Ps

I'm bought two case fans to fit the 202 with since it doesn't have any preinstalled ones. I'm wondering how I should set them up:
-both taking air from outside the case and blowing inside
-both taking air from inside the case and blowing outside
-one of each

The fans are going to be in the special gfx card compartment the node has. You can see what it would look like like on the left of this picture.
Thanks for any input.

>>59734486
Heck, I'm seriously not ERP'ing. And I really need my computer for my job

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Should I get the Logitech G600 or the UtechSmart Venus 16400

They cost the same, are about the same size. Logitech max 8200 dpi, Venus 16200 dpi.

>>59734474
This might sounds stupid but I wouldn't suggest it if I wasn't guilty of it before. Is your monitor plugged into the right graphics output at this point?

I'm waiting for rx500 serie to drop to grab a 470 on the cheap... When will they be on sale?

>>59734518
>This might sounds stupid but I wouldn't suggest it if I wasn't guilty of it before. Is your monitor plugged into the right graphics output at this point?


I'm using 2 monitors, One's plugged into my old GPU wich has the drivers for it, And one into iGfx port, I've checked several times.

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Any tips to save a bit of money?

>>59734415
>>59734474
so you don't even get to bios splash screen?

I had a similar problem it turned out a piece of dust go under the cpu socket and shorted a few pins

>>59734542
Guessing you don't have a motherboard speaker for testing. Board failure is pretty uncommon compared to other hardware issues though dude, especially from what you've described.

Try booting with no memory and see if there's any change at all.

>>59734549
Could you lurk more first? Did you even read the OP?

>>59734553
Did it render the board unusable?


>>59734561
>Try booting with no memory and see if there's any change after all
I'll keep ya updated

>>59734549
Unlocked i5 is a waste and Ryzen is probably a better option. Replace the 1060 with a 480 if you want to save money.

>>59721868
>i3 are no longer worth getting
Fuck. I picked up the 6100 last November. Should I be upgrading to the i5? Also, what GPU is best for compatibility with linux distros?

>>59734549
>H270 board
>Unlocked CPU

Also:
>I5, ever

>>59734505
since you bought a dual fan gpu and it is positioned right over the fans, you want both of the fans blowing in.

>>59734588
If removing the memory doesn't change anything (fans spinning up, time it takes to shutdown pressing the power button), it's probably fucked. Otherwise it could just be something loose or power or maybe even the memory failing. As I said, boards usually don't just conk out like that.

If I give it three weeks will ryzen 5 have reliable benches?

>>59734549
Ryzen 5 is realesed next week, so WAIT(tm)

>>59734516
how good are you at thumbing buttholes honestly

>>59734631
Probably less than that desu~

>>59734600
>>59734575
>>59734590
i'm literally just throwing parts together here. I'm looking for ideas. Also doesn't help that my currency is AUD

>>59734588
yes. the pins that got fried messed with the memory controller, so i thought it was a problem with my memory at first

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Is it true that that it is generally better to overclock the fsb instead of multiplier?

I have a fx8350

I can get a stable oc of 4.6ghz if I primiraley oc the multiplier and only slightly the fsb

I can also get stable oc of 4.4ghz with a much more focused fsb oc and balanced multiplier oc

so which one is preferred, what would the optimum be for better perf overall?

>>59734626
>If removing the memory doesn't change anything (fans spinning up, time it takes to shutdown pressing the power button), it's probably fucked. Otherwise it could just be something loose or power or maybe even the memory failing. As I said, boards usually don't just conk out like that.

Goddamnit

>>59734645
Ah, if you're an Ausfag 1060 and 480 will probably not make much difference price wise. Keep in mind that sales on video cards are generally much more substantial here than in the U.S. so may be worth waiting if you care. Check the clearance section on MSY but keep in mind that sometimes those are warranty cards. Mainly wait for Ryzen 5 dude, at the very least don't pay for the unlocked i5. Also do you really need 16GB of RAM? If you're just gaming the answer is probably not and it's only going to save you money by upgrading it later.

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>>59734645
Chang your graphics card to this.

Also Ryzen 5 is realesed next week, so WAIT(tm)

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>>59734707
>GALAX

>>59734698
how do you guys keep up to date with all the new shit coming out? I haven't built a PC in about 4 years

>>59734738
It's not like there's that much stuff to check, two brands for both GPU and CPU and new stuff only comes out every couple years. Look at prices and benchmarks and not retard's opinions. Also read the pasta in the OP maybe.

>>59734631
Probably a week. 8 days maybe.
Idk wait for Anandtech gaming benchmarks which could be a week late.

Ignore any reviewer that does DX12 with Nvidia GPUs. They're all paid shills.
There's a few reviewers that ramp up like 16x AA on games Ryzen does well on to make them GPU bottlenecked to lessen when it does well, so it never appears to win when it should.

It's pretty easy for reviewers to show the results they want. Best review I've seen so far, who actually tested a variety of both applications and games, and different configurations, was thetechaltar.com/amd-ryzen-1800x-performance/1
And obviously the phoronix review.

>>59734645
No i5 is worth buying like others have said.
You could save a lot going to the G4560 and a 4GB RX470, but obviously that is a weaker build.

Weren't Ryzen 7 prices fine in your country? The 1700 lower than the 7700k? If so then you should be able to get the 1600 or 1500X for less than the 7600k, a cheaper motherboard, so on. That should save like 100-150aud off.
You're also getting an expensive case there. You could get the Corsair Carbide 88r with a basic window.

>>59734727
Literally nothing wrong with Galaxy Cards. They just aren't well known in USA like MSI wasn't in Aus/NZ till two years ago.

>>59734707
oh fuck total blackness

Is the CRYORIG H5 a good aftermarket cooler for a i7-7700

>>59734738
>go to wiki
>view list of processors
>read down the feature/instruction additions and list of models and specs for them.
takes 10 minutes of time twice per year.

It's called being smart, I guess.

>>59734837
Yes.
But if you have a 7700 you can just use the stock one if you case has good air flow.

>>59734816
>MSI wasn't in Aus/NZ until two years
But that's not even slightly true?

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>>59734837
yes

>>59734668
FSB overclocking fucks with several motherboard components in addition to the CPU and is therefore almost always less stable. You're better off just taking your 4.6 ghz OC with just the multiplier and enjoying the stability.

>>59734857
>shitfans BTFO

What's the best midrange GPU for about, idk, $150-250?

Maybe its just me, but GPUs seem more expensive than they were about, say, 7 years ago. I got my GTX 460 at the time for about $250 and that was a pretty solid card at the time, it seems card now in that range these days are around $400 or more.

>>59734845
>>59734857
Thank you for info.

I'm planning on a Fractal Design Define R5 case, which comes with 2 x 140mm fans. Should I get a third fan for more intake?

>>59734985
Range doesn't really mean anything in this context though does it. The only way you could say that is by comparing performance over price increases through the years. But the answer is the 480.

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>>59734847
>First NZ distributor in 2011
>Product doesn't come untill 2012
>very few shop's carry MSI
>2014
>MSI has better rep
>playtech starts to carry MSI
>~2016 computer lounge start to carry MSI
>2017 NZ largest "tech" retailer still doesn't carry MSI

>>59734985
That's a huge range but RX470 4GB at the low end, RX 480 8GB at the high end.

As to the prices, inflation is a thing. GPU prices have crept up a little bit though. $120 used to be a good sale price to target for mainstream PC gaming and now that is decidedly "lower" end.

>>59734985
You can find 8GB RX480s for $175-$200, generally. I heard there was a $190 one for sale today.

>Maybe its just me, but GPUs seem more expensive than they were about, say, 7 years ago. I got my GTX 460 at the time for about $250
It's just you. An RX480 is half the performance of a 1080 and you can get them generally for 1/3rd the price.

idk why you thought a GTX 460 for $250 was a good deal at the time. Wasn't a 7970 like 4 times more powerful for only twice the cost a few months later?
Lmfao, yeah, just looked it up, it was literally 4x as powerful and only twice the cost. Holy fuck you got jewed and you feel good about it 7 years later.

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>>59734985
asus strix rx480 8gb

>>59735048
>Lmfao, yeah, just looked it up, it was literally 4x as powerful and only twice the cost. Holy fuck you got jewed and you feel good about it 7 years later.

top kek fuggin savage anon

>>59735047
>$120 used to be a good sale price to target for mainstream PC gaming and now that is decidedly "lower" end.

Lets not forget mainstream PC gaming today is 1080p/60fps while 20 years ago it was 640x480/25fps - you can have that for 100 bucks easily.

>>59734985
>GTX 460
>pretty solid for the time
le_disapproving_man_with_cancer.jpg

>>59735048
>Lmfao, yeah, just looked it up, it was literally 4x as powerful and only twice the cost. Holy fuck you got jewed and you feel good about it 7 years later.
I don't remember shit from 7 years ago, but I was in high school and broke as fuck and bought my PC with my accumulated Christmas and birthday money and too much of a lazy faggot to get a summer job, so a GPU twice the price wouldn't have been feasible anyway. Thanks though, I'll look into the 480. I'm upgrading from a 770, its been passable for the past 2 years now but its starting to rear its ugly head in some games like Deus Ex Mankind Divided, and Dishonored 2, but Dishonored 2 I hear is also just a piece of unoptimized shit.

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Due to the fear that I would fuck something up dramatically building my own PC, I decided my best option would be buying a prebuilt. Is there anyone here that would be so kind to look on eBay for the best computer they could find in the price range of ~$1,000?

I know that's spoonfeeding but I wouldn't be able to find something as good as anyone here could.

Thank you in advance!

>>59735224
You didn't even say what you're using it for.

Anyway, stop being a pussy and get reading/watching Youtube. Prebuilts are shit, no exceptions.

>>59735224
why not just pay some fat loser nerd to build your pc?

The biggest reason GPU prices seem "creeped up" is that iGPUs are a lot better now which makes something like the RX460 and 1050 not even worth buying for what you get compared to an iGPU.

But both those GPUs are significantly more powerful than a 750Ti that was the hottest shit a few years ago (even though they probably shouldn't have been).
They're both twice as powerful as the GTX 460 and priced at $90-$110.

But you can get the RX470 for $110 on sale many times a week which is four times as powerful instead.

>>59735269
Because that would cost more money.
>>59735267
What about someone who built it themselves but are selling it on eBay? I know I sound like a damn retard but I don't have it in me to put attention to building one due to some very unfortunate events recently.

I understand if no one wants to help.

>>59735224
>>59735313
If you're a cute trap, I'll build you one.

>>59735267
who are the best PC review youtubers?

I can't find anyone that does ~1,200 dollar builds like tek syndicate used to

https://pcpartpicker.com/list/WjjzsJ
About to build my fourth build, but wanted to make sure that everything is worth it. Gonna be gaming at 1440p 144Hz on games like BF1, Dark Souls III, Ashes of Singularity, Minesweeper etc. Am I wasting money on meme parts?

>>59735313
>Because that would cost more money.
Would it? I actually don't know. I assumed it would be like $50.

How am I looking? Budget build strictly for 1080p@60 gaming and chinese cartoons.
https://uk.pcpartpicker.com/list/6LMsBP

Would it be worth stretching to a 1070 for 1080p, and where would that put my CPU requirments? Hard limit for budget is close to £1K.

Still not convinced the 1500X is going to realisitically compete with the similarly priced i5 7500 for my needs but for now I'm patiently waitfagging..

>>59735267
Oh and I'd be using it for video editing and music making.
>>59735324
Well I was recently drugged and sexually assaulted by my roommate so I don't have any desire for sexual situations at the moment. Sorry.

>>59735329
YouTube is not a good source for this kind of information, especially as a lot of them are sponsored to some degree by hardware manufacturers.

>>59735338
>Well I was recently drugged and sexually assaulted by my roommate so I don't have any desire for sexual situations at the moment. Sorry.
Dude based, that's hot. Give me the juicy details

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Criticism on this new pasta for OP? This one lacks info and the other thread one was shit.

Post your budget, country and how you want to use your PC if asking for build advice.
Clarify if you want to reduce the cost/improve performance when asking for advice.
If it's a gaming build, explain what kind of games and the resolution/refresh rate you want.

>Assemble your parts list with price comparisons & compatibility filter.
https://pcpartpicker.com

>General build advice including chipset compatibility, power supply advice & Windows activation information.
http://pastebin.com/F9diF2hA

>Information on how to assemble a PC, how to select components & more. (somewhat outdated)
https://wiki.installgentoo.com/index.php/Build_a_PC

>G4560 is the best CPU for budget builds (<$500)
>i5 is currently not worthwhile. No exceptions. Get a Ryzen CPU or go down to G4560
>7700k is good but pricey. Consider the 6700k, Ryzen or the locked version.

Currently worthwhile GFX cards:
>RX470, RX480 8GB, 1070, 1080, 1080TI
>1060 may be worth considering over a 480. Compare the price in your country.
>Budget builds should consider integrated graphics over low-end cards.

If you have patience, you can save a lot by purchasing your parts individually in sales.

>>59721868
Why would you build your own PC? It's way cheaper to just buy a PS3 off ebay and install Linux, or if you just want to game, buy a console.

>>59735338
That's really horrible anon. Do you know what kind of drugs were used? Just out of curiosity I mean.

>>59735389
M+KB

>>59735364
I'll tell you if you find me a good deal on eBay. Willing to give all details ITT if a few are posted in the $1,000 range.

>>59734958


hmm alright so you're also saying that it doesn't have a better ''real-life'' perf increase meaning the 4.6 oc would have better performance overall than the 4.4 fsb focused one?

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So how important is upgrading your motherboard? I want to overhaul my PC from 2011 (back then a friend helped me pick the parts) and on first glance my motherboard seems to fit the new components I've chosen so far. It has the correct cpu socket and all the stuff, so do I still need to buy a new one?

>>59735389
I don't want to game. I want to make music and edit videos.
>>59735404
The labs aren't back yet. Waiting for a call any moment to find out.

>>59735338
>not getting turned on by that and left wanting more
You sound boring as fuck.
Lots of people fantasize about that happening to them. You get it. Then you're a pussy about it.

>>59735419
It's not important whatsoever unless you want specific features.

I think I want to hit the books to be a minimum informed and what's what instead of slapping together something that looks in my price range and call it a day this time.
Any decent place or do I just google everything one at a time?

>>59735418
No, the reported clockspeed of the CPU can be compared to one another, whether it's from an FSB or a multiplier overclock. The "real-life" performance is equal if the speed is equal but messing with the FSB will introduce more instability to the system. Seriously not worth it. If you want to push your OC higher with the multiplier you'll need to increase the voltage on the CPU (if you can) to get more stability assuming that's why you can't push past 4.6 GHz. That'll require decent cooling but I'm guessing that you already have decent cooling if you're pushing 4.6 anyway.

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>>59735437
At least you're a good sport about. I'll help with as much info as possible. Here's hoping you didn't get any STDs senpai!

>>59721868

Hey /g/ 3rd world anon here.

Budget -> Limited

What you would change first?

mobo+ram+cpu
add ssd
change gpu

Actual specs:

>i5 3330
>H61H2-mv (Do not laugh pls)
>12gb ram kingston (mixed cards 8+4)
>R9 270x 4gb
>Toshiba 1tb HDD
>Shitty 2,5" laptop 320gb hdd

Im pointing to change mobo+ram+cpu.
So, im thinking in a i7 7700 with 8gb ddr4 and a b250-h270 mobo but i dont see nice changes between both chipsets (I already have a nice audio interface: m audio m track) because sound is non an issue.

>>59735465
The intallgentoo link in the OP is a decent starting point if you're totally retarded on this stuff.

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>>59735445
Yeah but it's still fresh. I'm still trying to comprehend what the fuck happened. Never thought a guy, especially my roommate to do something like that to me.

Can anyone here tell me if this is a good computer to keep my eye on and the max they would pay for this?

>>59735465
That depends totally on how in-depth you want to go into the function of each individual piece of hardware. The link in the OP is a good place to start but yeah, probably researching everything individually if you want some real information.

>>59735449
So, if the motherboard has the correct CPU socket and GPU slot it's still good to go?

>>59735475
What else can i do? All that I'm really worried about is how I'm going to pay rent next month since he vanished out of thin air with everything expensive that he had in his room. I'm still too shocked to really think about what happened. I hope I didn't get any either.

>>59735477
Start by explaining why you want to upgrade. From those specs the CPU, RAM and motherboard are the least of your concern if you want to play games (depending on what they are).

>>59735388
>Post your budget, country and how you want to use your PC if asking for build advice.
>Clarify if you want to reduce the cost/improve performance when asking for advice.
>If it's a gaming build, explain what kind of games and the resolution/refresh rate you want.
That part is not concise and in the face of people enough. People forget to include that shit too much as it is.

>If you have patience, you can save a lot by purchasing your parts individually in sales.
Isn't clear that it means flash/one-day sales over different days. Just makes it sound like they should look for stuff on sale that day, when sometimes no good component is on sale that day.

The rest looks good but you should include the R9 Fury as long as they're still $260 or less. Those are 80-95% the performance of the 1070 even if they suck power.

The rest looks like an improvement. But idk you should include 7350K for consideration for emulators and dwarf fortress still. It's true even if it's a meme.

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>>59735493
Nevermind. The thing he put at the bottom seems to be troubling.

>>59735517
Not exactly but as far as "performance" goes, the motherboard is not that integral outside of specific features. If it's compatible and has everything you want, I would definitely just recommended running it into the ground and then starting again with whatever new socket is good when it happens.

>>59735477
>b250-h270
B250. There's virtually no reason to ever choose anything but a B250 or a Z270, and since you're looking at a locked CPU the choice is obvious.

>>59735437
Do you think if you were molested in a nice way, you could learn to enjoy being used and abused?
Maybe they just didn't comfort you afterwards to help make you associate the abuse with the pleasure and security afterward.

>>59735482
>>59735504
Yeah I've gone through the OP. I just want some more so I can make sense of other characteristics I might see when picking parts.

>>59735530
Vanished into thin air*.
If you didn't have insurance then you're pretty boned my friend. You could probably make a bit of dosh e-begging if you want, social justice has made that quite the honey pot. Don't be afraid to go to your friends for as much support as possible of course and remember that we will always love you.

>>59735477
I wanted to suggest you get a 3770, but that motherboard.
and 8+4 RAm.
FUCK.

So yeah, starting over with cpu+mobo+ram is the best call. Your GPU is manageable.
Your plan for a 7700 and B250 is a good upgrade. I have nothing to add there. Go for it, unless you want to get 1500X for like half the cost and 70-85% the 7700 performance over the like ~30% you have now.

>>59735493
>roomate with a rapist
>doesn't even react
Riiight.

>>59735613
It's a ridiculously broad subject and without presuming too much you're probably not interested in the serious technical element of things.

I'd recommended looking individually into chipsets, RAM timings, CPU performance (clock speed, memory, ect.), video card performance (shader count, memory, ect.) but I personally don't know shit about most of that aside from the basic gist. Good luck.

>>59735570
It doesn't have a motherboard?

I was going to sell my i5-2500k, 7970 system for like $400.
I mean the SSD in that I guess is worth more than my 7970.

Tbh that seems well worth about $500, maybe $600. Certainly not $800.

>>59735684
I didn't know he was until a few days ago.

>>59735624
I'm not one to e beg. I'd rather spend my own money. If no one here can help me find one on eBay then I'll see if one of my friends can help me.

>>59735530
You'll just have to come live with me.

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>>59735493
>and replaced it with a Quadro FX 4500 I had lying around

Will i7-2600k bottleneck 1080 Ti?

>>59735684
shut hte ufck up i'm fantasizing about cute trap bf here

>>59735751
Depends on game. If overclocked to 4.5 it'll be decent in most, but usually the bottleneck.

So I'm thinking about upgrading my old GTX 770 to a 1060 6GB.

What do you guys think is it worth it?

I'm just starting to notice my 770 isn't giving me the best FPS in new shit. But I want to make sure the jump in power is worth the money.

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Is this worth $1,000 or is this guy a faggot?

>>59735743
Are you saying you don't have a dozen GPUs lying around the house?
Do you not lie down at night in a bedding of RAM bars and cables?

>>59735732
Sorry dude but can't be fucked trawling eBay for you. Happy to comment if you post builds here, but just know that unless you want something REALLY short term, eBay is not really a good option.

The best thing to do going as low budget as possible is just get the video card and maybe the CPU from eBay if you're lucky enough to find one for a current socket at a good price. Get everything else new at the lowest price possible.

>>59735388
>7700k is good but pricey. Consider the 6700k, Ryzen or the locked version.

Can someone explain this?
The 7700k is literally only 10 dollars more than the 6700k, and the Ryzen 1700x/1800x cost even more.

Also why is the Ryzen so expensive?
AMD almost always was the better buy due to price, but now they cost even more while just trading blows in performance, at least for gaming.

>>59735797
He's a faggot selling a secondhand PC at roughly calculated retail price.

>>59735539
I only play things like CS:GO or Arma 3.

>>59735656
Not a bad idea. I will wait to see benchmarks on arma 3. Maybe with the save of the cpu i will can afford and ssd to run arma 3 even better.

>>59735575
I knew it. Thanks anon.

>>59735813
>The 7700k is literally only 10 dollars more than the 6700k, and the Ryzen 1700x/1800x cost even more.
That depends on where you live.

Ryzen 5 is coming out in a week and will be considerably cheaper, competing with i5s presumably.

>>59735539
Im >>59735837

CS:GO runs on every pc but arma 3 is very cpu dependen so i guess cpu/mobo/ram first.

>>59735797
pretty sure you can build that for about $750 new.

google the components yourself for prices.

Kinda stupid I'm deciding the purpose of my next build so far I have narrowed it to 2 options
Gaymen path, get a new pretty much (i7,1080 Ti and a Ultrawide 1440p and other things)
Home theather, keep my current system (i5 6500 and 1070)
Buy a 65" Oled display(or non oled 75"),some nice passive speakers(fronts and center) and a receiver


I pretty much game 50% of my time while watching movies and anime consumes my other 50%

>>59735837
If ARMA 3 is important to you then disregard what I said and get a CPU upgrade, but be aware you simply aren't going to get decent performance at high setting on that without a stupidly expensive PC.

>>59735813
>he 7700k is literally only 10 dollars more than the 6700k,
In lots of places it's $30-$40 less for a 6700k and the 6700k doesn't need a $40 deliding service on top of it.
>and the Ryzen 1700x/1800x cost even more.
There's other Ryzens

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>>59735837
> I will wait to see benchmarks on arma 3
Wouldn't be surprised if the 1600X performs roughly the same as the 1800X in Arma 3.
But the 1500X is almost always going to perform slightly worse than even the locked 7700, I think. Maybe even. But it costs so much less.

You'll need fast RAM, though.

Is this a good build or do I suck?

https://pcpartpicker.com/list/vJwvCy

>>59735869
Your current PC is good. Ultrawide is shit and most people seem to regret it. Spend the cash on a good TV and speakers. Buy a good subwoofer second-hand, at least 12". I personally don't think surround sound is that worthwhile but if you watch a lot of "blockbuster" movies compared to how much music you listen to maybe. OLED is a meme.

>>59735570
Certainly not worth what he's asking. Something just shutting down for no reason is never a good sign.

>>59735929
>AMD Ryzen
stopped reading there, you suck