Net Neutrality is ded

also, no /pol/cucks allowed

Being American, literally Chinese more free then you

>>59696266
Not sure what the problem is. Are you hiding something? Maybe try addressing that instead?

>>59696317
Do you take showers in your front yard?

Good

That isn't enough, Trump should illegalize it.

Mohammed Atta practiced flying planes with a flight simulator pirated from the internet

>>59696266
>>59696278
Good, fuck you and fuck this gay earth

Ever wonder how you got
into this mess?
Remember who you voted for, then
TAKE A GUESS!

Who fucking cares.

was never enforced in the first place

>>59696539
Fatty Bankrupt cannot write a law the president cannot write a law. Furthermore, everyone (fatty excluded) knows 9-11 was a CIA false flag operation.

>>59696748
>was never enforced
oh? you think your ISP was limiting your speeds to specific servers?

>>59696266
If you're not a kiddy-fiddler like Podesta, a muslim terrorist like Bin Laden or a traitor that sells state secrets like Snowden, you literally don't ever need privacy. Privacy is just a convenience excuse used by criminals and enemies of the state.

Got nothing to hide? Nothing to worry about.

>>59696266
Yay, make me commie

>>59696599
>voting for hilary got us into this mess
Who knew?

>>59696266
You mean the thing they've been trying destroy for years and years is finally getting through? It's almost like they always get what they want eventually.

>>59696297
Having been to many places in China

no

>>59696599
I wrote in pepe lol

>not seeding from yurop
Fucking retards

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>>59696794
Good luck explaining why you visit a website known for CP, both drawn and real, to your familty and the authorites

>>59696266
>reads article
>has no evidence or source whatsoever to point to trump targeting net neutrality

>>59696777
no they just don't invest anything in infrastructure for general connectivity, they only invest in the connection to netflix and facebook. Everything else isn't "made slow" on purpose but is simply forgotten.

>>59696794
nice orwellian internet you will have :^)

>>59696777
no, but the government had nothing to do with that

>>59696794
take those curtains off your windows then.
oh what do you mean you wont do that?

>>59696599
if Hillary had won TPP would have already raped this entire site you retard

>>59696885
i see your point but from their perspective if they see buttloads of traffic from netflix, facebook etc it only makes good sense to ensure that those connections are better. that's just good business sense, improve the most used lines,

but that's still very different than saying that a website has to pay them directly in order to avoid being throttled artificially or even worse, making a customer pay a premium for more access. again, artificially. it doesn't hurt them at all to allow your connection to route to a different location, but suddenly they'll have the power to say that you need to pay more for it

>>59696885
you're not wrong, but I think the kind of throttling net neutrality advocates fear is only going to become more feasible as time goes on.

Net neutrality rules aren't meant to stop what's happening now, but to prevent shitty practices in the future

So when does it start? Like the internet monitoring?

>>59696915
maybe not in the beginning, but they wouldn't be lobbying to remove NN if they didn't intend to benefit from it, and the only benefit american ISPs ever think about is $$$ in their pocket.

>>59696975
forgot your retarded imaginary tiered Internet pic that will never happen

The bill was to limit something that ISPs were able to do anyway. Meanwhile the CIA just revealed that their top secret malware has been leaked to god knows who and all this data has been compromised for years.

so >>59696724

>>59696266
I can't wait for dial-up tier speeds on "non-approved" websites. j/k I don't live in burgerstan, suck a cock fags.

>>59696992
What CIA malware?

>>59696990
Not necessarily tiered. What's far more likely is something like Netflix being throttled to make Comcast's in-house streaming service appear faster by comparison

>>59696990
i think it's unlikely they will go for that (consumers pay premiums) right out of the gate, if ever, but it's more likely that websites will need to pony up cash to pay for decent speeds to their users. they have fought with Netflix over this in the past already, so it's obvious what their intentions are. good luck to any site like 4chan that isn't raking in tons of ad money, and good luck to any startup trying to break into the market who don't have the capital to make their service reliable enough for users to enjoy. it basically lets them determine what will be on the internet, because if it takes ages to load your website, or its unresponsive, you will not be trusted and you will not survive

>>59697042
No, what likely is AT&T merges with DirecTV and offers free mobile data for TV service. Or Comcast allows NBC related web services to not count against their caps. Not everything is about simply throttling Netflix, but all you retards fawning over net neutrality are quite literally just shilling for free Netflix bandwidth.

>>59696266
Good it was a giant meme anyways. It was a ploy to force govt control as "net neutral".

We need MORE isp's that's the solution. So we dont have to pick one cable or one fiber isp at our only option in major cities.

>>59697071
4chan bandwidth is barely anything at all you retard. Allocating bandwidth as all video services transfer to online will be a high priority moving forward

>>59697083
We should make an 4chan ISP. Full privacy and based out of Somalia.

That way you can get away with anything short of planning attacks on US interests or posting C-P

>>59696992
Дa! Good work, кaмpaд! I have depositing two rubles into your bitcoin!

>>59697150
CIA niggers lied to your face saying they didn't say on US citizens, but yeah it's Putin's fault that Hillary Clinton was a historically pathetic candidate

>>59697078
it's not about netflix to me, it's about what makes the internet the internet. anyone can make a website, run it and get popular. to remove NN would stifle that. it puts (another, and potentially the biggest) financial barrier up if you want to enter the market, and a purely fabricated, artificial one that the ISP can ramp up or down and just claim it's in response to traffic or expected traffic.

>>59697110
it doesn't matter what the bandwidth requirements actually are when ISPs can arbitrarily charge the website whatever they want, and can just price them out. "oh, you can afford $100/mb? well we've been seeing a lot of increased traffic so it's going to be $1000/mb starting next month. let us know if you'd like to keep your services with our ISP, thanks"

>>59696794
>>Got nothing to hide? Nothing to worry about.
>The state of /g/ in 2017

>>59697083
i'd be more interested in giving up NN if ISPs give up their stranglehold on the infrastructure, sure.

>>59697189
yeah it was Putin's fault Demoshits didn't choose a better candidate like ANYONE ELSE.

>>59697232
/pol/ killed 4chan.

Another two rubles, friend! Remember that the CIA is the deep state! You must not believing their fake news! Especially anything they say about Mother Poccия! Tell your family! Tell your friends!

>>59697215
The problem is the lack of competition, not the lack of government oversight. The rise in mobile technology will probably make this entire argument a moot point in the near future.

>>59697259
this is very true.
I'm convinced that if you went back in time and counted all the reddit links posted, it would increase starting with 2015 and Trump announcing his running for election.

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>>59697259
>>59697343

>>59697262

>>59696266

>No wall
>No healthcare
>No Muslim restrictions
>SJW's more popular and empowered than ever
>Police state and surveillance state to get increased powers

and finally

>Internet is kill

Apologize Drumpfkins. You've fucked everything up for the rest of us because you believed half asses sales pitches from a literal reality TV star.

>>59696317

>Are you hiding something

...I don't get it. What has that got to do with net neutrality?

I just want to be able to use sites like 4chan and not be confined to faceberg or jewtube for life.

>>59696266

Question;

Why do the Democrats put all their effort in to blocking bills like his healthcare overhaul or allowing Muslim terrorists into the country, but don't fight him at all on stuff like this?

Who exactly are you meant to support here?

This is fucked.

>>59696794

What if you want to use 4chan or Right Wing websites that criticize Jews?

Because you can kiss them goodbye.

>>59696794
if I've got nothing to hide they have no reason to search

>>59696794

Don't forget "a racist like drumpf".

Can't wait until your employers know you frequent Alt-Right hate sites anon ;)

>>59697404
>but don't fight him at all on stuff like this?
He hasn't done anything yet. This is from Pres Sec. declaring what they'll target next.

He didn't have a healthcare overhaul, it was Paul Ryan's plan and it didn't get passed because other Republicans hated it.

What are you talking about?

>>59697434

What am I talking about?

Can you fucking read?

>>59697455
Can you? I just pointed out that what you said there was objectively wrong, stop deflecting.

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>>59697356
Fuck off kike, we're not going to cash into your free market autism.

>>59697343
>I'm convinced that if you went back in time and counted all the reddit links posted, it would increase starting with 2015 and Trump announcing his running for election.
>implying that's the fault of /pol/ and not r*ddit

Are you fucking serious? /pol/ despises reddit more than any other board. It can't be helped that reddit has a massive fucking entitlement complex and believes they should be able to shitpost their "culture" onto 4chan culture with no repercussions.

Get real.

>>59697644
They come from /r/the_Donald
I'm still in High School, a lot of the kids who go on 4chan didn't even know what it was until the election. The correlation is high.

Go to /pol/, you'll see. Post one oldfag meme and nobody will even know what the fuck you're talking about. They say "sage" without even saging because they don't know how.

If you check reddit, everyone on /r/the_Donald respects 4chan like some kind of fatherland, shit's cringey as fuck.

>>59697684
Yeah, I know that. You're just furthering my point. It's so ridiculously easy to spot them, but they don't give a fuck. They're a fucking plague, and they seem to have become immunized against the standard insults thrown around in years past since inception (newfag, nigger, faggot). They just brush it off as "LOL LE IT'S ONLY IRONIC LOL SO LE EDGY".

It's fucking awful. Only few measures exist now to push them back...

>>59696599
I live in CA so my vote is worth less than a rednecks'.

>>59696794
good goy

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>>59696794
> too smart for privacy

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>>59697684
>Posts about how 4chan has turned to shit
>I'm still in High School

You don't have to look to others to find the cancer, because *(you) are the cancer.

>>59696266
Who cares? Do you honestly think it even still exists? It has been very dead for a very long time now. We wrote our angry emails some of us were even stupid enough to waste our time leaving the house but at the end of the day these people will get what they want and always do.

Lets just be glad we got to enjoy it while it was free.

>>59696794
give us your browsing history and social security number anon

>>59697768
That's sad, but unfortunately, true.

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>>59697802
Fuck you, I don't want throttling on websites not in my plan. Or flat out denial of service to sites without agreements with the isp monopolies.

It will become like cable TV with premium channels and other bullshit, fuck you and fuck Trump and his cronies..

>>59697945
>I'm too poor to get a VPN

>>59697972
>i have to pay a third party company extra so my ISP doesn't screw me out of the service i'm already paying them for
>thanks Trump! MAGA!

are trumpshits all complete fucking idiots?

>>59698013
Your described scenario, at this point in time, is all in your head you fucking idiot. KYS

>>59697972
VPN shouldn't even be necessary. Oh and rest assured they're coming for that next m8.

>>59698013
Well, only trumpftards are retarded enough to listen to his policies and think to themselves, "that's a great idea!"

>>59698038
IT'S FUCKING NOT NECESSARY, THAT'S THE POINT

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>>59698046
It is if you want to browse in peace.

Also, your life isn't necessary pussy.

>>59696934
>he thinks the TPP was bad

heh

It just forced American IP law on the other TPP members.

>>59696266
>net bureaucracy
>a good thing
kys

>>59698025
no, it has already happened. comcast was already caught throttling service to netflix. netflix the company (and thus its customers) had to pay comcast to stop throttling their service. there is nothing imaginary about this - it is a real problem that affects americans today. and because of trump, it will get worse. the fact that you don't know it is happening is proof you are too stupid to debate the issue.

>>59698043
yep, but unfortunately their retardation is going to hurt all of us

>>59698069
And that is good how, exactly? Oh yeah, you retards are all just shills for corporations, better go cut your dick off

I've got a very small penis.

>>59698079
>reading fake news
http://blog.streamingmedia.com/2014/02/media-botching-coverage-netflix-comcast-deal-getting-basics-wrong.html
http://blog.streamingmedia.com/2014/02/heres-comcast-netflix-deal-structured-numbers.html

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>>59696266

>>59698080
It's good for american jobs and it's good because it forces minimum wages, unionization, and other workers rights that have to be followed in all TPP nations.

Also, the point of the TPP was to undercut China by aligning all the other nations in the region with the US instead of them.

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Honestly, so long as broadband ISPs are basically given municipal sponsored monopolies, net neutrality makes sense. If I can choose among multiple ISPs, though it's not as big an issue.

That said, while I am in general in favor of net neutrality, I wonder if maybe a slower internet would be better for everyone. I mean, these days I basically just download videos and shitpost on /g/, and I'm bored. Whereas 10, 15 years ago, back when I was on dial-up even, BBSs and internet sites were so much better. I want to go back, /g/. Today's world of technology is empty. :(

>>59696758
T. Mohmed

>>59698079
Hasn't happened to me, I consistently get above the advertised speeds. Have fun blaming the president for your shitty ISP service

>>59698100
all things that only stand to benefit large multinational conglomerates

>>59698094
emotionally driven buffoon

>>59698105
The problem is just that, the isp monopolies that will only grow in power when allowed by law to sell your search history.

>>59698069
As a Shitskin Texan (Where the guy who had the GREAT IDEA of the TPP was born) I disagree.

test

>>59698175
THATS ALREADY FUCKING LEGAL YOU RETARDED PIECE OF SHIT

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>>59697684
>I'm still in High School
(you)

>>59698175

There is nothing preventing ISPs from selling site history now, and there never has been (at least in the US). That news is kind of manufactured: every time an administration leaves office to be replaced with one of the opposing party, it automatically adopts a bunch of laws that it knows the new administration will repeal, just to make it look bad.

The net neutrality stuff is a bit different, since it would be a real change in policy, as opposed to just 'haha I'm going to put something in place that only would take effect after you came into office, just to make you look bad when you undo it.'

>>59698210
as of a few days ago you fucking imbecile

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Explain to me why companies like Netflix shouldn't have to pay more for the massive amounts of traffic they use?

>>59698236
No, the law 'preventing' it was supposed to go into effect later this year. It had never actually taken effect.

>>59698236
not him, but the rule they're repealing hasn't even gone into effect
it was put in last moment by the obama administration
FCC was never meant to regulate privacy, that's the job of the FTC.
see
>>59698220
>every time an administration leaves office to be replaced with one of the opposing party, it automatically adopts a bunch of laws that it knows the new administration will repeal, just to make it look bad.

>>59698236
IT'S ALWAYS BEEN FUCKING LEGAL

>>59698237
they definitely should

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>>59698210
>>59698236
Woops I just realized I wrote "when" instead of "now that".
My apologies m80.

>>59696266
trump is a totally incompetent moron, why would you think this would ever go through?

>>59696266
I don't care about net neutrality. When is he sending Pajeet back?

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>ISPs can't charge companies that use 90% of the traffic more
>so they just pass the cost onto the consumer
>leftists cheer

why are leftists so stupid?

>>59698282
>Trump is a moron
>we should definitely give the government more control over the internet

>>59698324
The cognitive dissonance of some people is astounding.

>>59698307
What about the small companies that can't afford it?

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>>59698307
>Implying it matters who and how much bandwidth is used to an ISP
>UPS and FEDEX use the roads a lot more than the average person, so we should charge them more for gas

idiot.

>>59698237
Because my ISP advertises a bandwidth with no caps or conditions. We all know that's bullshit, that they can't actually deliver max speed to every house they service 24/7, but that's too God damn bad because THAT'S HOW THEY ADVERTISE IT THEREFORE THAT'S THE AGREEMENT.

So if everyone in my city wants to use 5-10 mbps tonight to watch Netflix, then the ISP has to pony up. If they demand Netflix pays for bandwidth I've already paid for, then they are committing fraud. Net neutrality won't be won in Congress or at the FCC. It will be won in the courts on claims of fraud.

We're only in this situation because ISPs play fast and loose with their advertising and definitions. It's high time they get slapped down with a few big lawsuits so we get truth in advertising.

>>59698338
They continue to purchase transit from a a CDN or cloud provider like they always have.

>>59698338
we can have that conversation when they start to consumer nearly half of all the traffic during peak hours like Netflix currently does. You are all worried about ISPs censoring website access, meanwhile all major Internet companies are participating in mass censorship CONSTANTLY, and nobody bats an eye

>>59698345
>>UPS and FEDEX use the roads a lot more than the average person, so we should charge them more for gas
we do
why do you think gas is taxed, dipshit?

>>59698307
cause it costs so much money to push electrons through copper amirite?

>>59698348
It's not fraud. It clearly states in your service details that your speeds are "up to" X Mbps. If you want to guarantee a certain level of service, you pay 10x for a business class connection, because that's what it actually costs to make that guarantee.

>>59698371
>>59698371
>why do you think gas is taxed, dipshit?
no shit. They would be paying even more tax in my example fucking tard.

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>>59696794

>>59698387
They use more gas, ergo...

>>59698372
>datacenters to process terrabytes of traffic per second cost nothing
t. leftist

>>59698372
>yes let's ignore the costs to hire people to dig holes, and to hire people to handle customer support, and to buy switches, and to pay for electricity, and to deal with regulations
>just run a wire from point A to point B and you're set!

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>>59698399
>>59698399
>They use more gas,
>Then someone demands they pay more
>already covered
>yet demanding they pay even more
holy shit do you not see that being doubled taxed was the analogy?

>>59698419
>holy shit do you not see that being doubled taxed was the analogy?
No it's not.
The analogy is that netflix pays no tax, and the government made it illegal to tax them so instead the consumer has to pay for it you retarded shill.

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>>59696794
so I'm assuming you live in a house with no doors right? sounds like you literally don't ever need privacy

>>59698419
fake news
Netflix is paying much less under it's deal with Comcast than it was paying to third party transit providers before the deal

>>59698417
Mostly right, but lets not forget that much of this was subsidised by the government.

>>59698350
Who's to stop the ISP from refusing/throttling the service to the CDN?

>>59696266
>Trump is going to target Net Neutrality next
hopefully that fails like his travel ban 2X, the wall, and, trumpcare

>>59698457
>refuse to pay for service>wahh I'm being throttled
Why don't you go live in Venezuela?

>>59698419
In this retarded analogy, I would rather pay Netflix a couple more bucks every month than my ISP for their massive data payload. Although I don't have Netflix anyway so stop trying to jack up my prices you neckbeard asshole

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>>59698307
>bandwidth is a finite resource

>>59698478
mobile most definitely is

>>59698457
hmm
I don't know..
Why wouldn't an ISP just drop half it's traffic
Sounds like a wonderful idea!

>>59698414
Reminder that all these companies make tens of billions every year.

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>>59698478
>because something is not finite that means it's free to process
For all intents and purposes, water is essentially infinite. Why do we have to pay for a water bill then?

>>59698496
>companies with hundreds of billions of dollars of assets make a few percent profit per year
wow it's literally hitler

>>59698375
>It's not fraud.
It is fraud to charge me for bandwidth then turn around and hold a server I want to connect to hostage, forcing them to pay for bandwidth I've already paid for. NOTHING in my service agreement says that they can block my attempts to connect to lawful content, or privilege one server over another. I am leasing BANDWIDTH. It is my fucking bandwidth and if they can't deliver it then they are in breach of contract.

>It clearly states in your service details that your speeds are "up to" X Mbps.
Netflix only needs 5mbps for HD quality. That's 1/15th of what I pay for. A court won't hold my ISP liable for falling down to 65 or 60mbps during peak hours. But if they can't deliver 5, or deliver 5 without double billing, then they are guilty of fraud and breach of contract.

>If you want to guarantee a certain level of service, you pay 10x for a business class connection,
No you do not. Cohost facilities typically offer you a choice of a dedicated line which you can saturate the whole month, or burst speeds with a monthly data cap after which you will be throttled.

Where every single consumer home ISP in the U.S. is committing fraud is that they are NOT stating the data caps they assume when they promise a bandwidth/price. That's they're fucking problem. They need to fix it, or start being honest, or face the consequences in court.

>>59698465
The ISP sets the price how it sees fit.

>>59698495
> half
Look at how traffic over the internet is distributed.

>>59698496
Wow, you're right!
Netflix has a market cap of 65 BILLION DOLLARS and you're defending them putting the cost of their traffic onto the consumer — of which, many don't use their service — you useful idiot.

>>59698525
>more imaginary scenarios

>>59698529
The customers are already paying for their internet connection and they're paying for their electricity.

Netflix is paying for that network capacity already, ISPs just want the users to pay extra because they can.

>>59698105
Don't worry, companies will fuck up the internet just in time for 5G cell networks to exist, and then everybody will have a device in their pockets capable of creating adhoc wireless networks, which hackers will use to spur a new kind of communication medium that will have a few decades before being normiefied.

>>59698543
see
>>59698417
>>59698414

>>59698525
Your ISP is responsible for delivering 75Mbps for you once the data is within their network. It's Netflix's responsibility for delivering that data to them. You're saying if Netflix is only paying for a 1Mbps uplink then it's somehow you're ISP's fault that your connection is slow.

Net neutrality is about the control of information.
Control the information, and you control the people.
MSM has lost control of the narratives because of the internet. They want it back.

Any arguements about cost and bandwith are just there to disguise, dilute and distract.

Without net neutrality, dissent could be silenced.
They wouldn't do it at first, of course, they'd start with ISIS, who would give a shit. It would slowly increase, but each step would be small enough to keep protesting voices down.

Net neutrality is a drawn line to protect us from the boiling frog effect.

Nobody is against net neutrality but ISP's and people that want to limit your information. What would the anti net neutrality posters ITT have to gain? They're just here to tell you that you shouldn't care. Why do they even care enough to debate here then? They're shills. They were here last time net neutrality was a big issue.

Tl;dr
Net neutrality is about controling your information(fake news).
An end of net neutrality could lead to a loss of dissenting voices.

>>59698543
The entire point of this is to charge Netflix money, not the consumer. Fuck , you guys are so dumb

>>59698561
>I trust the US government not to censor the people
what does it feel like to be this stupid?

Trump is an idiot. This isn't something that is Trump's idea though he might try to take credit. This is all the Republicans that are having their pockets lined by the ISPs.

>>59696794

"Enemies of the state"

off yourself, gaylord

>>59698528
Around 10 companies, on the scale of Google and Netflix, are the only ones who connect directly through a last mile ISP. Everyone else goes through middleman like Level 3 or Congent. At least learn how the internet works before being an internet justice warrior.

>>59698584
>Trump is an idiot
>let's give him more control over the Internet

>>59698554
Are you fucking retarded?

ISPs are already charging what they think they can and are making gigantic profits. Net Neutrality just forces them to treat internet traffic equally. Tech illiterates need to fuck off back to /pol/

>>59698559
>You're saying if Netflix is only paying for a 1Mbps uplink then it's somehow you're ISP's fault that your connection is slow.
No I'm not. Learn 2 read.

If Netflix has a problem delivering content then that's on Netflix, not my ISP. If my ISP contracts with Netflix to provide a CDN for them on the back end, that's a separate issue.

But if Netflix has their own CDN with plenty of bandwidth to my ISP, then my ISP has no business charging Netflix to deliver anything to me.

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>>59698584
>Trump is an idiot

>>59698564
No, that's not the point.

>>59698605
>But if Netflix has their own CDN with plenty of bandwidth to my ISP,
But they don't. That's why your Netflix connection was slow. Netflix was cheaping out.

>>59698602
net neutrality forces them to give media giants like Netflix a free pass

>>59698608
There was someone who estimated that if Trump just made a regular investment with the money is father left him (it was more than a million) he'd be worth more today.

>>59698629
a retard

>>59698629
If he invested it at just the right period on the right companies… Just as anyone could be a billionaire that way.
AKA he'd need a time machine.

WISPs compete with the wired monopolies. They are smaller outfits... https://www.buzzfeed.com/hamzashaban/these-isps-say-they-wont-sell-your-browsing-data?utm_term=.kddgVMO00#.ww7b1K3vv

>>59698623
LISTEN

Netflix is already FUCKING paying for their network connection, they pay a fuckload to have that kind of bandwidth. ISPs just want the power to control access.

Now fuck off.

>>59698629
So...fake news.

>>59698602
So that means that there are no more differentiators in service level? I can't spend more for a business level connection for higher reliability and am now stuck with shitty home internet that will get shut down at 7pm every day when normies get home and watch Netflix? If I need a super reliable line to deliver mission critical data then that's illegal? Should we also eliminate priority shipping from UPS and Fedex? Sounds great!

>>59698629
>'Investment'

Is this one of the same analysts who estimated Hilary was 95% likely to win the election? Does this magical made up assumption take into account the value of his various properties/companies? Which braindead lefties are all too eager to forget about.

>>59698642
wrong again

>>59698644
That's not how the internet works.

>>59698637
>buzzfeed
>repeal landmark privacy rules (that never went in effect)

>>59698580
>>I trust the US government not to censor the people
Well, the government has to contend with the whole pesky first ammendment thing.
Private companies have no such barrier. The government uses N.G.O.'s to do things they can't.
You have it completely backwards. You already know that though, don't you.
Disinfo.

>>59698652
538 had trump at 30% chance of winning with 80% chance that Hillary would win the popular vote.

Reminder that having a 30% chance of winning doesn't mean that you're going to get 30% of the vote.

>>59698667
The FTC previously had those rules in place, but they lost them in a court case so the FCC reapplied them (attempted to).

So yes, you're losing something.

>>59696317
Retard alert

>>59698510
Cause someone went out of their way to build water treatment centers and pipes connecting to your home. You're paying for the employees that work at these facilities and lay down the pipes. Are you dumb? If ISPs want to charge based on bandwidth then you should be allow to pay less for using less just like with a water bill.

>>59698684
And the only reason the FTC lost those powers was because of stupid liberals classifying ISPs as muh common carrier.

>>59698670
because they've done such a great job with the 4th amendment so far...

>>59698598
Most consumers connect directly through an ISP. I'm worried on how this will affect me.

>>59698699
you're an idiot

>>59698699
No they don't. They connect directly through multiple ISPs to the final service provider.

>>59696794
hi zuckerberg

>>59698510
Because you're already paying to access the internet and a single ISP doesn't provide the bandwidth for the entire internet, just a portion of it.

You're also paying for your own electricity and the website providers are paying for the connections required to provide a reliable service. The fear with net neutrality is that it allows ISPs to discriminate against data. Verizon for example could throttle connections to Netflix because they wanted users to use their competitor. Or Comcast could sell you portions of the internet in packages like cable. Getting rid of net neutrality essentially makes competing with established players impossible.

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>>59698659
>muh all data is equal

>>59698728
That's not how it fucking works. Unless you are a company as big as Google, Amazon, and Netflix, when you are hosting a site you are not dealing with Comcast, Verizon, or TWC directly.

>>59697083
okay so you'd rather kill NN then hope that more ISPs to just prop up? you do realize that once they kill Net Neutrality ISPs will charge for fast lanes and shit right? there won't be competition, it'll be like that and worse for a long time because they will have the market on lockdown

>>59698692
No, they lost that power because the courts argued they didn't have the authority and the courts also argued that the FCC couldn't regulate ISPs the way they wanted to unless they were utilities. So the FCC did so and preserved Net Neutrality.

I want you to understand that Net Neutrality was the law of the land until 2014 when a judge ruled in Verizons favor and gutted an existing law that ensured net neutrality.

>>59698728
enforcing net neutrality would force t-mobile to charge me for music data, fuck you

>>59698654
So netflix pays nothing?
And how do you think they'll make up their lost profit? Through the users.

>>59698755
Do you even know what "fast lanes" are or are you just parroting stuff you heard from reddit?

>>59698746
wrong

>>59698768
quicker access to websites that are not on an ISP's shitlist, yes

>>59696512
enjoy paying a $50 premium to access reddit you dumb nigger

>>59698760
The FCC hasn't acted on that, and it seemed likely that they were going to abolish bandwidth limits soon... but oops, Trump won.

Be warned, there are shills out the fucking wazoo in here

Tread carefully

>>59698773
So ISPs are going to maintain a list of all the mappings of ip addresses to website in the world at every transfer point, and check every packet that goes through against whether the destination is on the "shitlist" or not, and use that to determine whether it gets sent or not?

>>59698761
You know, maybe Netflix pays for their data connection already

>>59696835
>America
>looks free
>looks rich
>people act nice

>actually it's a third world shithole filled with assholes

yeah no

>>59698783
they were never going to enforce something like that on mobile providers you fucking retard

>>59698798
And they don't anymore now that they have the deal with Comcast. You do realize that right?

>>59698797
well they kinda already do that to throttle you so duh

whoever isn't paying more to the ISPs is going to have slower response times, or just blocked access altogether

>>59698787
I want /pol/ to go

>>59696599
Genocide you say?

>>59698801
this lol

>>59698817
go back to the verge faggot

>>59698816
Do you know how many IP addresses there are in the world?

/pol/ users have bad opinions.

Their political opinions are fucking trash

They don't understand technology at all

They can only communicate via memes

>>59698831
a majority of the shitlist contenders are competing corporations, you mong, I didn't mean every known logged IP

and even so, you don't think they'd have the capability to lock you out of every website except what you are charged to access via a bundle? cmon man

>>59698836
>doesn't understand he's just shilling for Netflix

>>59698831
It's almost like there are different IP address assigned to different users.

Really makes ya think huh

>>59698846
Where's the financial incentive to do something like that? Oh yeah, you retards don't understand basic economics

>>59698846
>>59698852
You realize that corporations have multiple IP addresses right? And they change all the time right? If you paid for the Facebook bundle how are they going to keep track of the million IP addresses of Facebook servers to determine whether they should send the packet out or not?

>>59698849
>doesn't understand he's just shilling for Comcast

>>59698867
You're joking right? Why are you on /g/.

>>59698870
No shit nigger, I don't want my bill to go up to accommodate for Netflix traffic that I don't use

>>59698861
Are you fucking kidding me? You're asking where the incentive is but don't take into account how they upcharge you a fuckton for basic access? Unbelievable man

>>59698867
Why can certain providers already block access to sites if they choose a package meant for public visitation (hotels, airports, etc.)

It's not down to the packet man it's general HTTP handshake

>>59698878
The profit margin that ISPs make on internet access is in the 95% area, you're getting fucked by your ISP and you're defending them? Without NN you'll end up paying more anyway.

>>59698885
Why would they go through the effort of implementing this complicated payment model, and upgrading their infrastructure to support this type of censorship, when they can just raise prices for everyone to get more revenue?

>>59698867
Wait you're asking how the ISPs will keep track of all the Facebook servers?

>>59698891
without NN I'll pay Netflix more, with NN I'll pay the ISP more

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>>59698891
You should be required to at least pass a third grade level maths class to post on this site.

>>59698894
Don't you think it would make sense to charge an already hefty basic package feel then allow bundles around the $10~15 range? If you price your basic package prices too high you will lose customers/revenue, but by allowing for these packages you have options, technically

It's not hard to understand, man

>>59698867
Most big providers would use a static IP most likely, and even if they weren't static that's what the DNS system is for.

>>59698912
No it doesn't make sense, because if it did they would have done it a long time ago.

>>59698918
They can't do it currently because NN you fucking mong oh my god

>>59698912
stepping in to play traffic cop will cost more than that stupid tiered structure would ever profit

>>59698925
You mean the laws that were put in place in 2014?

>let's give the media companies that control MSM the same control of the internet.
Hurr, because Netflix.

Even though this a distraction of the real issue of control,
You want to charge me for recieving mail too?
Charge both the reciever and sender for shipping costs?
Control which packages you can get, or how long it takes you to get them, depending on the corporate connections of the sender?

>>59698918
Net Neutrality was the law of the land until a 2014 court case where the FCC was essentially forced to classify ISPs as utilities to reapply NN.

>>59698925
net neutrality has never been enforced, just like these HALLMARK privacy rules

>>59698938
And Comcast has been around since the 1980s.

>>59698934
>>59698939


>>59698938

>>59698945
show me a case

>>59698929
Yeah, because verifying a byte of data is so very costly.

>>59696847

I like you :)

>>59698953
I don't need to show you a case, dude, it's how it fucking is in the laws provided

>>59696266
I would like to give an example regarding this:

- In Europe at some point they introduced a law that says railway tracks cannot be owned by railroad operators and vice versa. While there are many other reasons why European railways are good one of it is this requirement. Because when you increase the infrastructure investment to go into some market that market usually grows slowly.

I think there's a parallel between this and net neutrality because when you start throttling others it will prevent new sites from going into business and it will basically turn into some kind of interactive cable TV.

>>59698942
And the FCC has been around since the 30s.

>>59698955
Doing something that's not currently being done requires financial resources smart guy

>>59698968
It would only take a few lines of code to blacklist most ips from certain sites.

>>59698937
>You want to charge me for recieving mail too?
>Charge both the reciever and sender for shipping costs?
Anyone can get around this by doubling the prices for the sender, and not charging for the receiver.
>Control which packages you can get, or how long it takes you to get them, depending on the corporate connections of the sender?
This already happens. Amazon pays much less for shipping services than an individual would. They reserve tons of capacity in advance and get it for cheaper. It's called buying in bulk. It's a basic economic principle.

If you want to continue with your retarded analogies, should we eliminate priority shipping? No more 1-3 day deliveries. Everything must be delivered by trucks. Airplanes are fast lanes that should be illegal because it puts small ebay sellers out of business. All shipments will be at the same priority on a first in first out basis and takes at least 2 weeks for arrival.

>>59698966
the vast majority of the Internet as we know it right now exists on corporate advertising networks, we're already there

>>59698966
There is no such throttling. All you Netflix shills are delusional.

>>59698817
There have been shills on g before pol went braindead. Where do you think they got the meme? me hearty

>>59699007

There is throttling actually, done by the retards using Netflix.

>>59699055
that one time, for that one blogger

bbbbbut DRUMP is goud??? XDD MAagaaga!!

>>59698608
Do you have any opinions that aren't governed by primitive emotions? Let's just pretend for a sec you don't crave having a leader to worship and fetishize. You ignore the tingly feeling you get when trump unapologetically speaks his mind, where he projects this inspiring rhetoric that makes you feel he's "against the system!!" and for the things you believe in.

Let's say you understand/acknowledge most of your feelings of confidence, agreement, and partisanship with the man is artificial and unfounded -- because if you were to be completely honest with yourself, all his topics and speeches are centered around cheap fear mongering tactics with bravado and smooth talk -- all he's doing is preying on the fear and insecurities of people like you. Trump is all talk and no show. Broken promises. Reminds me of a used cars salesman, except he's running our fucking nation. Please just try to see this from a logical perspective... his incompetence is clear as day.

>>59699246
You're right, we should totally give him more power over the internet

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>>59698673

[citation needed]

>anonymously troll trump into presidence

>trump revokes internet rights, no anonymity

>>59699378
>anonymity
>anything electronic

No point in arguing, these redditors have already collapsed their anus and will allow Trump to put anything there

>>59699413
Is this a pro or anti net neutrality comment

>>59699269
That's not how the United States government works.

Do you consider yourself a multi-billion corporation with a ridiculous amount of power over the market? Do you think we're taking the power away from you, a citizen, and giving it to Trump? No, this law only puts in safeguards to protect the freedoms of actual Americans citizens, like yourself, ensuring everyone can have access to the open internet, And will be enforced by a large governing body of officials that we the people elect. Privacy and constrictions is a big fucking deal and it's only gonna get worse. The absence of net neutrality brings us one step closer towards literal Fascisn. There needs to be a healthy balance of gov regulations and corporate reach. The idea of Capitalism and its merits have brought us far, but the ideology is simply inefficient and flawed in our modern economy. Same thing can be said about communism. We have to rework the formula to see real change.

>>59696266
trump doesn't understand this shit.
i bet it's lobbyist feeding him shit.

>>59699442
I can quit Comcast if they piss me off. I can't quit the United States government oversight.

>scared of LITERAL FASCISM
>advocates further government control

literally a mental illness

>>59696794
What if your country suddenly elects a genocidal dictator? That guy now has access to all the data you previously thought you didn't have to hide, he's coming for you and you have everything to worry about.

>>59699472
Ask any burger here how many options they have. There's only like 3-4 CORE ISPs scattered around the U.S, many places only have access to 1 or 2 available -- disregarding the very few small fries that barely get by (and are beingly unfairly crushed by monoliths like Comcast, AT&T, etc, might I add)

How easy would it be for those main ISPs to all just agree they'd all benefit from restricting traffic and using these practices? A new one can't just start up like other areas of business, you have to have a ridiculous amount of capital to even have a chance at an ISP.

>>59699581
Who cares?

One internet connection is enough.

If you can't afford it, just buy more money.

>>59699581
glad to see you've finally identified the real problem here

>>59699572
>implying the NSA/CIA and other various alphabet agencies aren't making carbon copies of the entire network already

>>59699604
And that's a bad thing.

>>59699600
>1 is enough

No competition? Say hello to your $1150 internet bill

>>59696599
I'm not even clapistani lmao.

>>59699612
go back to economics 101 you dumb nigger

>>59699612
Hello

in my country accidentally clicking on the wrong magnet link on the pirate bay can immediately cost you 2k of shekels because lawyers will try to jew you

get with the times gramps, 2000 is laughable

>>59699612

There's more than 1 ISP you mong. And you can always move to a neighboring city or even neighborhood if you want more competitive broadband.

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fortune.com is part of the LIBERAL MEDIA spinning its propaganda

The Obama administration was Installing MORE of the DEEP STATE through agency Regulations.

Thus SHUTTING DOWN opposing views, but Opening democrat Agenda outfits like FB and google to do whatever they want.

COMMON Pattern with democrats

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>completely disregards a valid point
>decides to strawman and nitpick a blatant/intended exaggeration used to illustrate a point
Literal autism right here, fellas

>>59698652
>>59699368
I really don't see what you people are getting at when you go on about the percent chance of Trump being elected. It was a close race, and people bet on significantly worse odds than that all the time. Jesus, it's like rolling a fucking die and then saying the odds of getting the number that you want are wrong because you happened to roll that number.

>>59699629
Check out:

>>59699712

>>59699702

IT'S funny how you CAPITALIZE some of the

letters and EVEN include reddit

spacing. it REALLY makes

it way more believable WHAT you have to

SAY. I read every single WORD you wrote there, I swear

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Net Neutrality is the worst thing for the Freedoms of the individual. Leftist fell for more obama lies and the government took more control of the free market from us.
Net Neutrality does not make things neutral, it castrated free market.
Its Like Communism where everyone is equally poor, if you Like Communism then you will love Net Neutrality.

>>59699676
>rearrange your life to fit the whims of your ISP

land of the free

>>59696266
>>59696794
AMERIKEKS LOSING THEIR INTERNET PRIVACY HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAH

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I've been waiting for Trump to do something I thoroughly disagree with.

Still, I can't help but feel both sides of the argument are making this out to be a far bigger issue than it really is.

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>>59699771
>Still, I can't help but feel both sides of the argument are making this out to be a far bigger issue than it really is.
Sure, ISPs blocking access to 4chan (or similar sites today) like Verizon did in 2010 totally isn't an issue. Kill yourself trumptard.

>>59699771
enjoy your facebook/youtube/Netflix basic bundle with the social twitter/myspace/Instagram addon and twitch/ustream/xfire/steam gaming package for only $49.99 a month and unlimited skype calls

>>59699795
why are americucks afraid of losing 4chan?

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>>59699804
Because here in America we've all lost all sense of culture, family, and friends. This melting pot shit ain't feeling so hot.

I'm just going to let conservatives burn this country to the ground and then when it's done I'll slam their face down into the ashes and rub their nose in it.

>>59699824
just move then?

>>59699795
>>59699802
Both of you make the mistake of believing it will pass. There's a decent chance it will, obviously, but also a decent chance it won't. I think you also underestimate the amount of Republicans who would love to give Trump the finger.
>>59699825
Yeah, then we can go back to the Dems running things, and this vicious cycle of retardation will continue.

>>59699840
I prob just need a new anti-depressant desu

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US literally turning itself in to a 3rd world country

>>59699840
not him, but moving isn't really practical. i work in tech and make good income, but there's honestly no better place than the bay area to work. i could pick a place outside of the US and work there, but my income wouldn't rise at nearly the rate that it does here.

>>59699874
Typical american way of thinking tbqh.

Why do people think money makes the world go spin.... Its because people like you (the masses) that the world turned in to this consumeristic shithole.

>>59699859
>I think you also underestimate the amount of Republicans who would love to give Trump the finger.
Just like the Republicans in the House and Senate who voted to reverse the FCC's new privacy rules?

>>59699861
That reminds me, I'm out of fucking vodka.

>>59699873
>the US is turning into a country not allied with the US/NATO
That's interesting.

>>59699873
We've been on this track for a while now, honestly. I think it all started tumbling down with the Bush era.

>American dream

More like american greed

>>59696794
THAT'S FUCKING COMMUNISM RETARD !

>>59699896
>Just like the Republicans in the House and Senate who voted to reverse the FCC's new privacy rules?
I forgot to take that into consideration. My mistake.


Correct me if I'm wrong, but didn't that effort start with Congress and not the White House?

>>59699898
I would argue the groundwork was being laid as early as the Reagan administration however 9/11 and subsequent chain of events in the wake of it was the catalyst that really accelerated the decline of this country.

>>59699925
I feel that Reagan and Clinton both contributed to this decline, but it didn't really kick into gear until just after 9/11.

>>59699913
not him, but it did stat with congress. the WH made a formal comment that they support it, though.

and honestly, if the house & senate republicans and the WH aren't communicating on shit like this, then they're retarded. if you imagine the federal government to be like a human body, they have control over both legs right now, and rather than going "left, right, left, right" each leg is just trying to get as far as it can on its own and making the body look like a spastic having a seizure.

>>59699840
Where would I move to? I don't think Canada would take me right now and any other country that isn't shit is on the other side of the world.

>>59699957
>then they're retarded
They really are.

It's not so much that they don't communicate, it's just politics does not foster cooperation, even among people of the same political ideologies.

If a couple of buttblasted Republicans don't like Trump, they may try to rally an effort to ruin his plans if you catch my drift

>>59699963
Maybe to another continent?
Maybe australia?

>>59699963
Just after the election they seemed like they were willing to take in American refugees but maybe they backed out on that policy. But fuck moving. Just stay here and fight to take back our country from this circus of an administration when shit hits the fan. We'll probably need all the manpower we can get.

>>59699985
>Just stay here and fight
Define 'fight'. Protest and petition?

>2014 /g/

FUCK OBAMA AND NET NEUTRALITY I DONT WANT THE GOV'T TAXING OR MONITORING MY INTERNET

>2017 /g/

FUCK TRUMP THIS NAZI WANTS TO TAKE AWAY THE FAIR AND EQUAL INTERNET OBAMA PROVIDED JUST LIKE HE DID TO HEALTH CARE WITH OBAMACARE AMIRITE GUYS

>>59699973
>If a couple of buttblasted Republicans don't like Trump, they may try to rally an effort to ruin his plans if you catch my drift
it's more likely that the white house will implode from the scandals lately, and his lackeys like nunes aren't helping him.

and it's a shame, too. even if you don't like the republican party, a political system with one party that's got its head up its ass versus the tattered remains of a party that exploded under the pressure of practically countless scandals carried out by incompetent boobs isn't healthy.

as with all things, we need healthy competition. the republican party needs to survive this presidency, and the people in it don't seem to recognize that.

>>59700009
Depends on how things go over the next few years. Don't rule out bloodshed though because it may come to that.

>>59700026
>as with all things, we need healthy competition. the republican party needs to survive this presidency, and the people in it don't seem to recognize that.
Actually, if the next 4 years lead to the utter embarassment of the Republican party, both dominant parties will be in shambles, and then maybe the US could elect someone based on their ideas and policies, rather than what party they are aligned with.

>>59700030
>Don't rule out bloodshed though because it may come to that
I sincerely doubt it will, but if it does, I'm just gonna look out for my family and a couple of close friends.

Maybe America burning to the ground is just the kick in the ass it needed.

>>59700048
i'm not seeing how the democrats will come out in shambles if the next ~3.5 years are the same as the last 6 months. the democratic party is so much more organized and fervent than they were 10 or 20 or 30 years ago. and they're getting painted into the enviable corner of wanting to keep medicaid and whatnot around, because the republican party is trying to cater to everyone, including the folks who want to wire all of DC for explosives and bring the whole city down.

>>59699982
>Maybe australia?
I'm from a small town in the northern midwest, that's a massive jump. Really anything would be.

>>59700020
>4chan under moot was against net neutrality
Go back to redd!t or wherever else you came from.

>>59700054
that's crazy. talking like that is how we ended up in this fucking mess. blowing everything up is the absolute worst case scenario. you save it for if the institution of democracy itself is flawed and you want to end it. if you just hate shit like gerrymandering and lobbying and whatnot, that's all fixable through normal legislative means. it just requires that citizens start electing competent politicians. not retards who got their AAs in agricultural sciences or some shit.

sneakernet now. we cyberpunk nao

>>59700070
Do you really think people will forget the utter retardation that was the previous 8 years in less than 4 years?

Either way, I admit my logic is not entirely sound, but I just hate political parties so goddamn much.

Almost nobody with power to do anything wants an open internet. Be it 5, 10 or 15 more years, I don't know, but the internet will die in the not so distant future.

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Look at this gentleman(stud)

This is a Humble, asservative, competent, empathetic man's man right here. He just wanted shit to be good for everybody. He knew all reaching members of society need to be taken care in order for us to achieve progress and advance as a whole. He wasn't trying to b8 races into racewars, or encourage the younger population to become degenerates. He wasn't an impulsive child, his actions were thought out and planned with forceful deliberation. He cared about our international image. The economy was flourishing. This alpha made the mistake of letting some 7/10 give a blowjob under a desk, so what.

I'm feeling bretty nostalgic right about now tbqh

>>59700088
the comparison is going to be like night and day. you're talking about someone at the DMV who's slow and rude and paints her nails at work versus a monkey. neither is a model employee, but one of them actually eventually gets work done (albeit at the slowest pace imaginable), while the other literally just swings around throwing shit at everything.

>>59700084
Of course it's the worst fucking scenario possible. I never said I wanted it. As a matter of fact, if any group called for Revolution right this minute, regardless of whether they appeal to my ideals, I'd tell them exactly where they can shove their 'Revolution'.

The aftermath might bring about a reformed America, but it might also end with the permanent destruction of the US. Either way, I'll beyond giving a shit about any of that if it does come to burning it all down.

>>59700048
Dems will only be weak in 2020 if they fail to elect a strong candidate. Basically if there is a lot of infighting and subterfuge like there was this past election. I was hoping this election would be a wake up call to the democratic party to get their shit together but I'm not quite convinced that that actually happened. Dems will probably scrape by with a win in 2020 even with a weak candidate but the administration will just kind of flounder which isn't good for anyone.

>>59700054
We aren't there yet and hopefully won't get there but I've seen a lot of shit I never thought would happen in a million years happen this election cycle and it would be unwise to consider any possibility to be off the table.

>>59700074

4chan was never for net neutrality

>>59700124
>I've seen a lot of shit I never thought would happen in a million years happen this election cycle
Such as?

>>59700135
>/pol/tard revisionist history

>>59700142
Nah, net neutrality has been a double edged sword since the beginning.
>Let the ISPs do whatever they want
or
>Just let the government take care of it for you

Both awful options.

Stay in your fucking containment board, /pol/

>>59700163
>>Just let the government take care of it for you
>I have no idea what net neutrality even is, but the government is involved so it must be bad
Please consider suicide

>>59700170
I actually don't see too many /pol/ shitters here. Discussion has been pretty civil, at least in this last dozen posts or two.

>>59700178
>let the government handle it
>but not the government appointed FCC chair
It's a political position, how well did net neutrality as-written work out? You're lucky they're not really trying to break anything.

this fucker should dismantle the huge government regulation that is in the form of ISPs monopolies, but fat chance that will happen

>>59696794
If you are anti globalist, you need privacy.

>>59696934
lolwut? TPP was so unpopular that any president would have scrapped it immediately.

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>>59700170
The discussion here resembles nothing like the typical shitshow /pol/ threads produce.

I would usually agree tho, famalam. But this a thread on Net Neutrality - a topic that's inherently mixed and involves both politics & tech in nature.. so what can you expect?

>>59700277
This. Fucking getting raked over the coals by Comcast for a goddamn basic triple play package. Over $200/mo. Upstairs TV always having signal issues and techs never seem to fix it. Internet is slow as shit. Other option is Time Warner and that's not any better.

>>59697644
*It can't be helped that /pol/ has a massive fucking entitlement complex and believes they should be able to shitpost their "culture" onto 4chan culture with no repercussions.
Wew lad, just one word to fix it, thank me later lad

>>59698902
Rather have no NN because if you choose not to pay for netflix, then you don't pay for netflix.

>>59697078
>just shilling for free Netflix bandwidth.
Nigga what? We've already paid for that bandwidth.

>>59698629
>just invest your money in these places rather than creating jobs. After all, who cares about the working middle class?
And that's how Hillary lost.

>>59699739
>decides to suddenly change his argument now that it's been disproven

>>59696794
Does anyone actually take /pol/cucks seriously?

>>59700651
>>59698902

the reality is opposite, right now Netflix pays out of its ass for the bandwidth, without NN the ISP can collude with them to offload the cost to the users

>>59699802
never gonna happen, despite the fact that the Internet has already devolved to that in practice

>>59700651
bingo

>>59700894
Netflix hasn't

>>59699740
>I'm too stupid to understand supply side economics

>>59702125
wrong

>>59700030
I'll be on the side with all the guns

>>59700135
>let's let the government in the front door to confiscate our copyrighted material

>>59700301
the losing candidate had a private and public position on everything else, TPP is no different. Fact of the matter is if Trump didn't run we never would have even heard about, because Bernie was easy to hide and shut up

>>59700313
>current year
>paying for TV service

>>59698307
>ISPs can't charge companies that use 90% of the traffic more
2000 megabit sure as fuck don't cost the same as 20