why does /g/ hate BSD so much?

>>59692880
It's not Gentoo

>>59692880
because if even linux is an unusable piece of shit that's good only for servers, what good can a system with an even smaller userbase and reputation be?

>>59692880
It's a reminder of how bad Linux used to be. Someday, anon, someday.

They love Lennart's balls on their chins, so they fear True Unix rather than embrace it.

>>59692933
Linux never tried to be Unix.

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>>59692958

>>59692958
>>59692927
GNU/Linux*

>>59692880
/g/ is dumb

>>59693007
Linux
Is
Not
Uni-
X

>>59692911
>>59693039
GNU/Linux*

>>59692880
I use both, as I consider BSD more of a research OS than Linux kernel these days.

There's also Illumos/Open Solaris type OSs around like SmartOS or OpenIndiana no reason to just use Ganoo or BSD.

On my developer's laptop I run OpenBSD simply because it will never fail and runs with almost zero maintenance while following -stable. I connect to a SmartOS run cloud which spins up Ubuntu VMs and other OSs if I need toolchains to build Android or whatever. I also have a Free/Net/OpenBSD VM on there too for research into things like hypervisors and microkernels. Hell I even have a Debian install with Hurd/Guix on there

>>59693051
>>59693028
(You)/Wrists

>>59693081
neat

Can freebsd run well on laptops? I feel like its a server os and wouldnt support laptop hardware well. Can it?

>>59692911
>>59692927
>>59692958
GNU/Linux*

>>59693133
neet

>>59693156
I use it on my x220 and w520

>>59692880
they most likely just pretend to just to fit in

>>59692880
I was going to try FreeBSD, but supposedly its a security nightmare, I might try OpenBSD one day if im bored, well really bored

>>59693607
>supposedly its a security nightmare
how so?

>>59692904
you have gentoo linux, but there is also gentoo freebsd

>>59693624
https://vez.mrsk.me/freebsd-defaults.txt

>>59693624
>>59693669
mind you im a bit of a normie, the main thing I got from that link is FreeBSD likes to connect to the net as root,, at times when it dosnt need to

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It attracts weirdos, even for the Unix world.

>>59693831
BSD *is* the Unix world

>>59693831
>implying it did anything other than change documentation here and there and wasn't kicked out anyway
they even forced it to stop using freebsd in her name

I don't know. I'm trying TrueOs(former PCBSD) and everything works better than I expected

>>59692880
Because they don't actually like technology, they just obsess over licenses.

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What about gnu darwin, anyone ever fucked around with that?

It doesn't start with g so we can't put / around it. Worse yet, it starts with b, the worst board.

>>59693156
Works well on my T60p.

>>59693882

>what is Sys V

>>59692880

They don't hate BSD because that OS died decades ago, but they hate the *BSDs because they're everything GNU/Linux wished to be but couldn't.

>>59695684
this

i actually just tried arch linux for the first time in years like hours ago and holy shit i fucking hate linux now

where is ifconfig? why is everything so abstract? why does everything have to go through systemdick?

>>59693702
And actually very wrong, worded by an OpenBSD fanboy who doesn't seem to realize that OpenBSD is a security nightmare to anything but OpenBSD fanboys. No MAC, no process isolation, shitty ASLR implementation that won't stop a damn thing(but will call FreeBSD out for having none), W^X that's not really W^X as you can mmap the same memory as PROT_WRITE and PROT_EXEC at the same time and bypass it. Oh and let's not forget the almighty pledge which has inherent race conditions because it's a syscall wrapper and once you exec() out of it, you're no longer in the fucking sandbox. OpenBSD is a fucking joke.

>>59696187
now post that trollaxor link again

>>59696187
so if you had to go with one of the *BSD's which one would you choose?

>>59696340
it'll be freebsd

they always go on autistic rants like this when you tell them freebsd is insecure, notice how he goes "freebsd doesn't have ASLR but at least it doesn't have an incomplete implementation" like that's any better

>>59696363
well what would you choose then? I want to play around with something other than GNU+Linux, but all the BSD seem to get hate, should I go with Darwin instead?

by play around I mean use as my main for a week or two, why I am hesitant to just jump in

>>59696436
The latest build of Darwin is equivalent to Mac OS X Tiger iirc, pretty old.

>>59696436
nah darwin is pretty dead

play with openbsd

if you don't like it, that's fine

>>59696448
what about ios

>>59696575
What about it?

>>59692880
test

>>59696604
did it work?

>>59696589
the latest darwin release was a few months ago

>>59695595

OS X without Aqua? May as well just run FreeBSD.

>>59696604
Pencils down. The test is over. Please hand your papers to the front of the room.

>>59696626
I'm talking about Darwin as a standalone OS, not the base of iOS and OS X. Last version was 8.11, which corresponds to Mac OS X 10.4.11.

>>59696664

could I download the base of mac os and add X?

>>59696691

Not legally.

Darwin's not available as a standalone OS anymore. Like I said, last version is 8.11.

>>59696747
For >>59696691
You could add X to OS X and pretend Quartz doesn't exist though

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daily reminder

>>59695675
Literally dead or legacy (solaris, hp-ux)

>>59696771

What did he mean by not legally, can I download the latest dawrin from apple?

I tried here

https://opensource.apple.com/static

but It gave me javascript instead

>>59696927
He doesn't know what he's talking about. You can download the source, good luck compiling it.
https://opensource.apple.com/release/macos-10123.html

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>>59696829

Ooooohhhh...tacos and burritos!

>>59696187
>shitty ASLR implementation that won't stop a damn thing

Could you expand on this? The others I understand. Is there not enough entropy in their implementation?

>>59696150
Because someone at Redhat jacks off thinking about Microsoft.

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OpenBSD is the only operating system worth using.

>>59698106
Looks delicious, needs some french fries on it though

BSD could've been what's linux now if it wasn't for USL vs BDSI lawsuit in early '90s

>>59696829
>Bistro
Distro
Hmmm...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pmgTd8NFaME
the japanese are insane dude

why do they like netbsd so much

>>59698483
Because it runs on anything

>>59693156
>Can freebsd run well on laptops?
Almost perfect on my X200, but suspend is a problem

>>59693607
>but supposedly its a security nightmare
This is bullshit "le unsafe defaults"

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>>59696829

>>59698645
you have apmd running, right?

>>59698106

Hello again, Theo.

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>>59698671
mexicans

>>59692880
/g/ (/v/) hates linux too. What did you expect?

no drivers / software
post any need it's "lol u dont need dat"
quantum bullshit ports "recommendations" wherein if YOU say ports, they're insecure, but if some bsd shit says ports, it's fine
hippie hipster retard fanbase perma stuck in first year of CS thinking all that matters is how cuntrarian and unique they are
0-5 jobs in the entire world for it
used mostly by ex-linux losers just trying to be different and "recommending" you try it out but secretly hoping you don't use it so they can still pretend to be hardcore for their "real work" like dicking around in a terminal for months at a time

Should cover all the bases.

>>59700403
>no drivers
it has almost as much as GNU/Linux, I've personally never had problems, even on newer laptops
>no software
almost anything that can be compiled for GNU/Linux can be compiled for *BSD
>post any need it's "lol u dont need dat"
you're generalizing, care to give an example?
and no, we don't need systemd
>hippie hipster retard fanbase perma stuck in first year of CS thinking all that matters is how cuntrarian and unique they are
generalizing again, also has nothing to do with the OS
>0-5 jobs in the entire world for it
there are fewer jobs, but how is that a reason to hate the OS?
>used mostly by ex-linux losers just trying to be different and "recommending" you try it out but secretly hoping you don't use it so they can still pretend to be hardcore for their "real work" like dicking around in a terminal for months at a time
now you're just making stuff up, why so insecure?

you've obviously never used *BSD, nor have you interacted with real *BSD users outside /g/ and know little to nothing about it
you seem to be regurgitating what you read on /g/, you should do a little research yourself and try to form your own opinion
or not, you seem to be too insecure and closed minded for that

>>59700403
Projection: The Post

>>59700403
go back to your ryzen thread, /v/ermin cunt

It's too free. It's computer anarchy infact, and anarchy is for people with questionable respect from their parents and questionable sexual orientation. Plus userbase is a joke. BSD is usable only when you want to steal it (take it, because stealing it is perfectly legal) and turn it into abomination to tour liking.

Gui are suck

>>59700591
don't fucking reply to anyone who has "u dont need that" in their post, it's the usual autist who lives to post in these threads to tell us about how he doesn't like BSD

>>59700403
GNU/Linux*

>>59705828
*Linux

>>59692880
Broken, worthless garbage.

>>59705898
care to backup that statement with some arguments and facts?

>>59692958
>*nix never tried to be *nix

>>59705954

Gentoobabbies don't believe in facts.

>>59705954
You don't have to convince me I should install BSD. I already did, and it's utter shit. I will never touch that trash again. Fuck you for shilling such complete garbage.

>>59706029
what's wrong anon, why is it shit?

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>>59692880
They prefer Linus the Linux Penguin over BSD the BSD Blowfish

>>59706029
>shilling something free

>>59692880
Because /g/ is full of insecure manchildren who are threatened by a suggestion that something they don't use could be an option.

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>>59692958
That's because it's busy trying to be windows

>>59692880
because of it's cuck license

>>59708955
>because of it is cuck license
good job

>>59696340
Not that guy, but FreeBSD just because it's still the most active and has marginally better HW/SW support. For example, NVIDIA officially supports FreeBSD.

>>59692880
I wish there was Lubuntu equivalent of BSD. I don't have 8 days to download all the necessary stuff to make a functioning desktop.

>>59708955
My god when will this meme end.
Fucking educate yourselves https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/BSD_licenses.

>they're stealing your code
Nobody is stealing anything.
In whatever form they redistribute your software, be it source or just binary, they have to give you credit and cannot give any credit to themselves whatsoever without your permission.

>companies can redistribute your software only in binary form and never give you anything back
Why the fuck would they even do that?
I mean they can, but either way they can still sell your software and not share any of their profits with you (the same applies to GPL software).
Keeping a project open source does not diminish their profits usually because they will sell your software bundled with something more.
Apple integrates their open source Darwin OS with OS X and iOS which are selled together with computers and phones.
Android and much of Google's software is open source, but they don't profit directly from that.
Red Hat can still sell, even if the OS is almost completely open source.
They can also keep a project open source, then stop publishing the source and then after some time sell it.

>why is it not in their best interest to distribute only binaries all the time?
Who do they have to call if something goes wrong? You.
Why? Because they know jack shit about the project you wrote especially if it's a larger one.
By refusing to share the source code they're just crippling both your project and theirs.
Why? Because you may accept their patches in the upstream or just implement some of those ideas in your own way if it's beneficial to your project and they can then expand on that and so on.
There doesn't have to be much collaboration in order to make this a healthy relationship, but there needs to be some.

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DragonflyBSD has the best linux binary compatibility. OpenBSD doesn't even have that anymore.

>>59708921
>KDE represents the entirety of the GNU/Linux community

But yeah, KDE really does look like a Windows 7 or Vista ripoff.

>>59708955
GPL'd software alienates companies, so they're more inclined to use and help develop FOSS software under the BSD licence.
Each licence has it's own advantages and disadvantages.
From the BSD devs perspective https://www.freebsd.org/doc/en/articles/bsdl-gpl/article.html
>In contrast to the GPL, which is designed to prevent the proprietary commercialization of Open Source code, the BSD license places minimal restrictions on future behavior. This allows BSD code to remain Open Source or become integrated into commercial solutions, as a project's or company's needs change. In other words, the BSD license does not become a legal time-bomb at any point in the development process.
>In addition, since the BSD license does not come with the legal complexity of the GPL or LGPL licenses, it allows developers and companies to spend their time creating and promoting good code rather than worrying if that code violates licensing.

>>59708921
>I hate all this terminal shit, why can't it be more like windows?
>Look how linux is just trying to be like windows, what a cheap ripoff.
You're never satisfied, are you?

>>59709102
Truly a better license. GPL is egocentric bullshit.

>>59708921
KDE might look like windows, but it's not nearly as bad as GNOME
anything related to the GNOME project is pure cancer

>>59696363
https://hardenedbsd.org/content/easy-feature-comparison
Seems like FreeBSD is "very" secure OS.

>>59709102
>https://www.freebsd.org/doc/en/articles/bsdl-gpl/article.html
>This new BSD license is intended to encourage product commercialization. Any BSD code can be sold or included in proprietary products without any restrictions on the availability of your code or your future behavior.
So you think that it's not bad?

>>59709384
As I've said, both licences have their merits.
The the good thing about the BSD licence is that it's nature encourages collaboration between the BSD devs and companies more than the GPL.

>>59709549
Well, I think that companies should die and devs should not help them in any way

>>59709632
Well your unrealistic opinion doesn't really matter.

>>59709668
How corporations can be good?

>>59709074
because compatibility layers are the problem, not the solution

>>59709074
they removed it.

>>59709345
i don't know if any of this is true, but it's weird how hostile freebsd has been to this project

>>59709707
They made your computer.

>>59710189
Why couldn't non-profit corporations make my computer with open device specifications?

>>59710257
because the world doesn't work like that you delusional freetard

>>59710278
people try to change the bad things in world order, except cucks who are always satisfied with everything

>>59710323
are you from a 3rd world communist country or something

you certainly write like someone from that kind of place

>>59710408
>are you from a 3rd world
yes
>communist country
no

>>59710182
they weren't hostile to it in any form?

>>59710838
in some communities people keep acting like the founder of the project is a shill

>>59710182
What? It's a fork because Shawn and Oliver couldn't upstream ASLR due to some other then unaddressed concerns. Shawn is in the private FreeBSD dev channels and everyone is working together actually.

>>59710846
And this is by no means the FreeBSD project, it's just some people who happen to have heard of FreeBSD.

>>59692958
Linux Is Not UniX.

>>59693028
B8 poster

>>59693081
/g/ needs more people like you. I'm sick of people who hate on everything that isn't their exact configuration.

>>59706726
This

>>59693081
Found the Hurd user. Man, we were wondering if you were real.

Cool setup.

It's just deep state shills.

Remember all the ass hurt threads about people taping their cameras?

Same people.

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>>59692911
>unusable piece of shit; only good for servers
Guess you don't smart t.v.s, routers, set-top boxes, Android phones, or literally any "smart appliance".
What you mean is "Unusable for desktops".