/fglt/ - Friendly GNU/Linux Thread

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>>59691621
First for Arch.

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So just reinstalled arch yesterday, and for some reason grub-mkconfig is finding my Windows system but not updating it in GRUB. (It's also finding it as Windows 10, which it had been doing before I reinstalled arch. It's actually Windows 7, but would still boot either way.)

Any idea what's up?

>>59691877
what command are you executing with grub-mkconfig, and what's the output?

>>59691944
Just a standard

 sudo grub-mkconfig -o /boot/grub/grub.conf 

Generating grub configuration file ...
Found linux image: /boot/vmlinuz-linux
Found initrd image(s) in /boot: intel-ucode.img initramfs-linux.img
Found fallback initrd image(s) in /boot: intel-ucode.img initramfs-linux-fallback.img
Found Windows 10 (loader) on /dev/sdb1
Found Windows 10 (loader) on /dev/sdb2
done

I never got around to erasing one of the windows 10 recovery partitions, so that is still leftover and it still finds it. But I was booting into Windows 7 just fine before regenning my grub.

Any recommendations for partitioning a USB disk for a portable live install? Or should I just throw everything into one partition? I searched online but can't find anything concrete.

>>59692395
post your grub.cfg

>>59692458
>Or should I just throw everything into one partition?
This.

Which one is the best, GNU or Linux?

>>59692395
>grub.conf
isnt it supposed to be grub.cfg

>>59692492
>>59692463
Well would you look at that it IS supposed to be .cfg h-haha

Thanks anons, sometimes you autopilot so hard you forget what you are doing

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>>59692522
i only realized that myself after i wrote the first one

>>59692480
Cheers. By the way, if I'm a windowsfag, should I use GParted or are there good windows utilities that can also do F2FS?

Been running Hardened Gentoo I think its pretty cool but I noticed that the kernel's hardening features prevent me from running gdb and debugging and setfattr doesnt help any other way to work around this?

>>59691464
My 2cents on licensing:
Code: GPLv3+ https://www.gnu.org/licenses/license-list.html#GNUGPL
Artwork: CC BY 4.0 https://www.gnu.org/licenses/license-list.html#ccby

The site https://www.gnu.org/licenses/license-list.html gives a pretty good tl;dr about everything.

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Hiyo, so I'm pretty much set on KDE as my preferred DE and have tried out KDE Neon and Kubuntu thus far. I was about to do a fresh Kubuntu install but am intrigued by Manjaro and am considering it.

My only concerns are over package availability and up-to-dateness (particularly with regard to KDE packages) and any other potential issues a long time Ubuntu user may face. Halp

>>59692857
flip a coin between Neon and Manjaro, don't use Kubuntu.

WHY IS IT SO GOD DAMN DIFFICULT TO SWITHC FORM WINDOWS TO LINUX???
Anyone who went through this?
Please help me. I'm begging you. I'm so fucking worried to switch to linux, because i feel like it would be uncomfortable at first and i'd miss my stuff from windows. Like photoshop, and games.
>inb4 muh games xddd grow up
I dont care if you dont like gaming thats okay, but i feel like its such a good relief after a hard day. So yes, i need that.
But even after all this, i still want to switch bc i'm bored of windows and i see so many amazing pics of linux os's looks. And a lot of people say that its more reliable than windows.
Anyone who could help me out?

>>59693179
This is basically the only time I'm going to tell anyone to get Ubuntu.

Alternatively try Debian.

>>59693179
have you tried installing virtualbox and trying linux in a vm? then you can get comfortable with it before installing on hardware and you can try out different distros easily

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>>59693179
In order to get used to a Linux based GNU system you must go balls deep.

>>59693246
lememe.bak

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>>59693179
>>59693225
https://www.gnu.org/gnu/linux-and-gnu.html

>>59693179
Being bored of something isn't reason to switch away from it. You will get bored with Linux as well. You should have a better reason to switch.
Some suggestions:
- I don't want to get spied on by Microsoft
- I want to use software that I control and that doesn't control me
- I want to be able to customize my operating system to the smallest detail and find new ways of interacting with my computer

If you want the latest games AND Linux, you have only one choice: a ps4 and your computer. That exciting new AAA game coming out next month has a chance of under 100% of being available for Linux, and then you will simply come back here crying about how much Linux sucks. We don't need that, you don't need that.
If you can't accept that some games will be unavailable on Linux, you shouldn't switch, and that's the cold hard truth.

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>>59692857
>intrigued by Manjaro and am considering it.
>My only concerns are over package availability
You will have an overall easier time getting packages with Manjaro because it comes with pamac which is a GUI frontend you can use to search and install anything from the repos or AUR. With an Ubuntu base you'll inevitably wind up hunting down PPAs.

>package availability and up-to-dateness (particularly with regard to KDE packages)
Manjaro will likely be 2 weeks to 1 month behind but you can switch to Manjaro unstable repos which sync with Arch stable then you'll get them virtually the same time as Neon.

-Enabling the Testing Repositories is easy too-

open up pacman-mirrors.conf with root access

gksudo gedit /etc/pacman-mirrors.conf

Once you've opened the file all you have to do is change the branch value. The 5th line reads

Branch=stable

change it to

Branch=testing

e.g.

## Branch Pacman should use (stable, testing, unstable)
Branch=testing

After saving that update the mirrorlist

sudo pacman-mirrors -g

And finally synchronize with the testing repos and update your system from them

sudo pacman -Syyu

Now you're virtually running Arch since these repos are synced with Arch stable.

>>59693210
I was thinking about Ubuntu too, it seems very friendly.
>>59693225
I have tried/used linux before i know what its like, i also have a linux dualboot on my laptop, but i hardly ever use it. (only when windows breaks bc of updates and shit) But i'm too worried to switch full time.
>>59693246
How does one do it for the first time? I probably got exposed to windows way too much, and it feels comfortable even though it has so many things in it i dislike.

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>>59693179
It's fine just do it.

>>59693314
>You will get bored with Linux as well.
Yeah but there are several top tier DEs that you can freely switch between to keep it fresh.

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>>59693246
This. Dualboot/VM just makes you pussy out and switch back to the old and harmful habits.

>>59693179

I did. What I found was that (depending on what games you play exactly) it can be a bit of a pain for gaming. Over time I started enjoying shit like chess variants and more turn based games and mobas, so it was easier for me to switch even if it was a bitch for some games, but wine can help with that as well as other windows emulators.

As for usability? It's different from windows but it wasn't hard to get used to the layout all that much. Especially with shit like Ubuntu that is pretty much the Windows of linux. It takes some getting used to, but you learn little bits over time. I only game and go online, and knew jack shit about computers and I managed it. Is it more work for seemingly no gain? Yeah, but if ya want less spying or just want to be more independent and modify stuff your way, making the switch can be alright.

>>59693391
GNU/Linux*

>>59693314
GNU/Linux*

>>59693403
>>59693433
GNU+Linux

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I have a server with 1nic
I want it to server multiple vlans/subnets as DHCP
how does a client know which subnet they should get an IP from
how does the server know which subnet to assign the ip from
do I need to dick around with virtual interfaces or something

>>59693455
Linux based GNU system

should I use bash or zsh?

>>59693704
Zsh. Far better autocompletion

redpill me on systemd

>>59693727
no

>>59693704
>should I use bash or zsh?
Doesn't matter. If you're bored of bash go for zsh. I used to use it for it's tab cycling for a while but switched back. You can get a similar function in bash just by adding

bind '"\t":menu-complete'

to .bashrc

>>59693704
Bash doesn't really have any advantages over zsh, the opposite isn't true

Well, your bash scripts will be more compatible since bash is more popular, but honestly either go full POSIX or take advantage of all the capabilities has to offer.

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>>59693722
>Zsh. Far better autocompletion
You think bash can't do the same thing?

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>>59693781
nice hd pepe, saved

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>>59693825
np

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>>59693722
>>59693769
>>59693781


https://www.gnu.org/software/bash/manual/html_node/Readline-Init-File-Syntax.html#Readline-Init-File-Syntax

>>59693727
http://without-systemd.org/wiki/index.php/Arguments_against_systemd

In particular, check out things like:
https://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=761658 (doesn't care about user choice and privacy - what if you think Google is a botnet and don't want to be using its servers, but you're messing around with your network and unset all your DNS configuration? Woops, you're using the botnet now),
https://soylentnews.org/article.pl?sid=14/12/21/1554227 and https://bugs.freedesktop.org/show_bug.cgi?id=76935 (overrides and completely disrespects functionality that's built into the kernel itself).

So tl;dr: huge feature creep, tries to take over as much as possible, essentially taking control of your entire system - that's also the reason why so much stuff starts depending on systemd, and how it has managed to entrench itself so deep in most mainstream distros to the point where it's an enormous pain to get things to work without it. And keep in mind that even Linux kernel developers have said that they have trouble understanding systemd, or how it works.

(continued)

>>59693894
maybe you like this too

bind '"\eOa":history-search-backward'
bind '"\eOb":history-search-forward'

Binds CTRL+Up/Down.
>type "vim", hit CTRL+Up, last vim command autocompletes.

>>59693918
(cont)


So? The result is a huge, barely understood codebase, that's taking over Linux (or GNU/Linux if you prefer) as a whole by forcing so much stuff to depend on it that as many distros as possible have to adapt it until there are no alternatives; the entire thing being coded in low-level languages like C, which are incredibly vulnerable to security problems arising from poor coding (see: Heartbleed, Shellshock). Meaning, if the developers really wanted to, they could easily install backdoors to everything.

But why would the developers want to? Well, if reading the bug reports and articles linked above didn't make you at least slightly sceptical about handing control of your entire system to those guys, then consider that they just happen to be employed by a huge corporation that has close ties to the US government. Oh yes, that same US government which is the origin of such exciting material as the Snowden leaks and now Vault 7. Amazing track record, right?

You may say that's all tinfoil hattery, but that's what people said about "muh gobernment surveillance xDD" before those leaks. I can't find any links, but I definitely remember reading somewhere about either a documented or at least a proposed NSA tactic of intentionally contributing obfuscated and hard-to-understand code to important open-source projects in order to be able to sneak in backdoors. Which makes sense - after all, they can pay Microsoft, Apple, Google, and the rest, but open source is much harder to compromise and presents a threat to their plan of being able to access anything, anywhere.

So I believe a healthy amount of scepticism is necessary. There's absolutely nothing that makes systemd so amazing - modern alternative init systems are just as good at being an init system, and almost everything else systemd does can be handled perfectly fine by dedicated tools that exist and work perfectly.

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>>59693918
>continued

>>59693971
What? The post was over 2000 characters long.

>>59693727
I suppose you'd also like a quick rundown:
>rothschilds bow to systemd and Red Hat
>in contact with the CIA
>rumoured to possess root privilege
>control Linux with an iron, but fair fist
>own datacenters all over the world
>direct descendants of the ancient sysvinit
>will bankroll the first botnets on mars
>own basically every DNA editing research facility on Earth
>first designer babies will be Poettering Babies
>both developers said to have 200+ IQ
>ancient Indian scriptures tell of two angels who will descend upon the Earth and will bring an era of enlightenment and unprecedented technological progress with them
>They own Nanobot R&D labs around the world
>You likely have systemd/GNU/Linux/Nanobots inside you right now
>The developers are in regular communication with the Archangels Michael and Gabriel, forwarding the word of God to the Orthodox Church
>They learned fluent C in under a week
>Nation states entrust their information reserves with the twins. There's no intelligence in Ft. Mead, only Red Hat HQ
>The developers are 67 years old, from the space-time reference point of the base human. In reality, they are timeless beings existing in all points of time and space from the Bog bang to the end of the universe
>systemd will guide humanity into a new age of wisdom, peace and love

>>59693989
Put 'long' in the options field for a 4000 char limit. It's like that to keep newfags from spamming. I thought this was common knowledge.

>>59694017
I have literally never heard of it. I'm technically a bit of a newfag since I've been around for less than a year, but I thought I was past simple idiocies like that.

Does this work on the whole of 4chan or only on selected boards?

>>59694042
It works on most boards flam

>>59694081
Thanks falm

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gents, I need to find a way to issue a right click through a keyboard.

I use a keyboard a lot and don't want to use a mouse unless I absolutely have to. When I use a browser, I can do pretty much everything with a keyboard EXCEPT right click in an image to save it.

How do I send a right click event when using just a keyboard??? Is it possible? I use Chromium if it matters....

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>>59694153

>>59694153
>>59694171
Was about to post this.

>>59694171
sorry, don't have that on my keyboard.

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>>59694153

xdotool click 3

>>59694190
FUCK YEAH! Thanks anon. Now I can assign it to a key combo.

>>59694153
context menu button >>59694171

Or you can use double tap. I use:
single tap: left click
double tap: right click
triple tap: middle click

synclient TapButton1=1 TapButton2=3 TapButton3=2

cc: >>59694187

>>59694190
can i install Cuckoo Sandbox in Kali Linux?
what version of Kali Linux, Python and Cuckoo Sandbox i use?
is there any tutorial?

thanks any help.

>>59694217
thanks anon but I wanted something that doesn't need a touchpad... just the keyboard.

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>>59694228
>Kali Linux
What the fuck is your problem dude?

>>59694228
>>59694190

sorry i unintentionally clicked in the reply option

>>59694237
it's Dabian based and i think i won't need to download ~3GB+ Ubuntu. just use an operating system that already have some tools, and and i already own one copy of it.

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>>59694280
You can add the Kali repos to Debian or Ubuntu and just pull the tools you need.

>>59694332
that's how you break debian

>>59694384
No it's not. Enlighten me to how the packages in the kali repos conflict with unrelated shit in the official repos.

>>59694237
I'm a 1337 h4x0r I go by the name f*society_0602

>>59694438
For example: A program in the Kali repos may depend on a library in the kali repos, which may be a newer or older version than the lib on your Debian or Ubuntu system. Installing them may cause "dependency hell" and "apt a shit" crying newfriends. Better compile for Debian or Ubuntu directly and create a package (if it isn't already there), which mostly done by 2-3 steps and doesn't create a Frankendebian.

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>>59694721
can I join your hacking group?

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>>59694737
>may depend
>may be
>may cause

Why does the free software community, especially GNU/linux users hate Oracle so much?

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>>59694737
Edit/Create /etc/apt/preferences.d/my_pref and add

Package: *
Pin: release a=stable
Pin-Priority: 1000

# The following is if you are also using unstable and/or testing repo
#Package: *
#Pin: release a=testing
#Pin-Priority: 950

#Package: *
#Pin: release a=unstable
#Pin-Priority: 900

Package: *
Pin: release n=kali
Pin-Priority: 850

Package: *
Pin: release n=kali-bleeding-edge
Pin-Priority: 800

"Problemo" solvedo

>>59694838
Oracle is a dick

>>59694887
Could you link any docs on this?

>>59694960
https://wiki.debian.org/AptPreferences

>read memes here about how systemd is bad/bloated/a NSA botnet and fall for the memes
>start to fall for the memes, hate systemd now and only use Void
>constantly annoyed by void's lack of packages compared to the AUR, and don't want to wait for gentoo compilation
>also hate pulseaudio now, only because people tell me it's bad
I was honestly happier when I used debian and didn't know much about Linux, or care about systemd. Someone please redpill me on systemd.

>>59693225
This is the gayest thing I've ever heard. You either stay with the botnet or emancipate yourself entirely from the chains of paid software.

>>59694995
Systemd is very comfy. The syntax reminds me of Powershell (which I hate) but everything is verbose. Compare "ps aux" and "systemctl --type service" for example.
But the people who know init systems in more detail than "it's comfy" hate it, so it's safe to assume that it's shit on some level.
For day-to-day operations, especially if you don't know exactly what's wrong with it, systemd is fine. Just use Debian if it makes you happy.

>>59695025
Before I switched I tried out like a dozen distros in virtualbox. The ones I really liked I tried on a live usb. I still regularly play with distros I find interesting in virtualbox.

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>>59695149

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So I had this happen after using the built in USB Installer Image Writer built with peppermint. I've tried dd if=/dev/zero/ of=/dev/blahblahblah
And even redid the file table. However I'm missing magic numbers and shit.

Help me.

>>59695146
The final redpill regarding systemd: it isn't good or bad.
>it just works and is fast (runit is actually faster now)
>journald is cancer. Binary logs are cancer.
>very bloated with unnecessary stuff, often running in PID1
(dns, machinectl, netctl etc). This could potentially make it insecure. it's literally the largest system component after the kernel.
>often tries to absorb/replace other programs. It's targeted sudo/su, udev, network manager
At the end of the day it's an attempt to replace the patchwork of small, separately developed parts that makes up the low level system, for better or worse. Keep in mind it's, developed /maintained by Red Hat, who have already contributed a ridiculous amount of stuff to Linux, and could be looking to increase their own influence. I personally prefer runit and openrc, and hated old init scripts, but the only distros that don't use systemd are full autism tier, completely unusable if you need to get work done.

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>>59695284

sudo mkfs.ext4 -f /dev/sda

What drive is the OS you're running on?

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>>59695435
Here's where you're worried:
That's a normal extended port. The OS is on internal memory managed by eMMC storage on a 2-in-1 convertible.
SDA is assigned to the 4GB disk.
Mine is fragmented 30GB.

>>59695510
>>59695435
Also, in response, I seem to have gotten it to work with another complete Zero null on the drive, and marking it as EXT3 Filesystem.

No worries but thanks for the concern.

I'm looking at USB->DVI cards, and DisplayLink support in linux seems to be shit. Is getting one worth it?

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How do I fix those fucked brazilian porn thumbnails? A codec issue maybe?

>>59691621
what is best audio player/playlist manager for linux?

PLs dont say cmus or ncmpcpp... or just anything terminal based.

>>59695957
gross.....

ffmpegthumbs might do the trick

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how do i change desktop icon font?
On Gnome 3

>>59695957
>3dpd
Try dolphin (kde's file manager)

>>59696022
Depends on your distro/preference. There's VLC, and Shythmbox, and also banshee, Give them a try,

I'm going to install linux on my laptop but I'm not sure which distro would be best for me. I used xubuntu for a little bit but I really don't know the differences between them. I just want an asthetic desktop that doesn't run like shit

What should I install. I'm not super experienced with linux either

>>59696083
>>59696035
How do I install ffmpegthumbs on caja or pcmanfm? I want to use a lightweight file manager

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>>59693531
I could have been done this whole project in 2hrs max on windows (more than just dns/dhcp) is linux ever practical?

Can I run a completely deblobbed kernel without any problems on a new Dell xps 13?

>>59696403
heh, sure go ahead

is gentoo worth compiling and installing?

Do I need to shred /dev/sda or can I just do each partition for a fresh install?

>>59696510
I'm a little confused about your wording here. Deleting the drive's partition table is unnecessary. Running mkfs.yourfilesystem /dev/sdax for each partition is good enough.

I'm trying to install Manjaro-i3 17 but the installer crashes upon launch. Is there a way to fix the installer or install it using the command line?

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>>59696489
its ok, but i wouldn't use it full time

>>59696559
Ok perhaps I am confused. I'm not sure how to format a drive for a fresh install. I'm a winbaby. I previously used sudo shred -v /dev/sda --iterations=1 to wipe my partition table and drive for an arch install. Now i want to keep the partitions but get rid of arch. Do i need to use shred to wipe it or is there another way? If it's mkfs then that's great.

>>59696489
It's a great distro if:
You care about USE flags. These are the most powerful configuration tool, on any operating system.
You prefer openrc as default/dislike systemd
You don't mind waiting for compilation, or you have a powerful CPU.
>>59696573
Install Arch instead through the command line

>>59691621
Am I a faggot for choosing Debian as my first distro?

>>59696659
It's that easy. Just mkfs/use parted etc from a new distro's live usb, or do it from a gparted live usb. You can even not format /home if it's on a separate partition, letting you keep a lot of your data.

>>59694187
Get a proper keyboard.

Alternatively, Shift+F10

>>59692857
i3 is my preferred window environment, simply because I hate using the mouse.

>>59696674
You're fine. Debian is the distro most people settled to after distro hopping. In case that vanilla Debian is getting boring, uplevel to testing or sid (just change the sources.list and upgrade) or try Arch.

>>59696661
The laptop is 32 bit. Arch only supports 64 bit now.

>>59696713
other anon here, does that mean that manjaro also only supports 64 bit?

>>59696682
Cheers mate, you're a bloody legend

>>59696674
Debian is great for a first distro.

>>59696696
>Get a proper keyboard.
proper keyboards don't have that shit key. ANSI/ISO don't specify it. only Winshit and Microshit specific ones do. and I'd rather not have a keyboard with a fucking Windows logo on it.

>Alternatively, Shift+F10
doesn't work. doesn't place the context menu directly under the cursor. it places it in random places for some reason... not sure why.

>>59696731
Nope, they have a 32 bit build still. I'm not sure how much longer they will still support 32 bit though.

>>59696674
No. Debian is great. Lots of software available. It's like Ubuntu/mint, but with competent maintainers and no canonical garbage. It's well tested, secure and not buggy at all. Unfortunately it stays stuck on old as fuck kernels and packages, so if for example you have new hardware like kaby lake, ryzen or a 2017 laptop, you either need to use Debian testing/unstable and get a newer kernel, or use a more up to date distro.
>>59696713
>>59696731
It looks like for now, manjaro still supports 32 bit. Arch is still usable and updated for 32 bit, you just need an old ISO to install from. It stops getting updated in November.
Do yourself a favour and don't use any derivative of Arch if you are stuck on i1686 though. Manjaro will drop 32 bit soon. Derivative distros are always forced to follow upstream for changes that major- Ubuntu was hugely invested in upstart, yet switched to systemd like Debian. Manjaro doesn't have the manpower to maintain another unsupported architecture. Just recently Manjaro ARM died.

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why does gentoo have a facecuck account?

>>59696203
>caja
the same way you install everything else.

>>59696779
to spread further

>>59696770
What would you suggest for 32 bit users then? I'm looking for something lightweight and will still support 32 bit for the foreseeable future.

>>59696795
that facebook is good?

>>59696808
no facebook is good.

>>59696203
sudo apt-install dolphin
sudo apt-install ffmpeg thumbs

>>59696779
>>59696808
Gentoo people are open source team, they don't care about ethical issues.

>>59696757
>places it in random places

That's weird. Everything I tried it in behaves exactly like the menu key, and places it under the mouse except for firefox, which places it in the top left corner.

>>59696831
ffmpegthumbs *

>>59696789
>>59696831
I don't know how to make a file manager use a third party thumbnail generator software.

>>59696057
bump

>>59696837
>which places it in the top left corner
Right, but doesn't place it where the mouse pointer is. If I type in a text box, it will actually place it where the insert cursor is and not where the pointer is.

The solution above does place it properly.

>>59696057
for the convenient way try gnome-tweak-tool

Debian or Ubuntu for beginner?

Will I finally be able to just use a single partition for Xubuntu 17.04?

It's hilarious that they still make you do apt-get autoremove --purge to clear out the /boot partition after like the 5th or 6th new kernel.

>>59696892
Ubuntu

>>59696855
install dolphin
open dolphin

Control > Adjust View Properties > Tick 'Show Preview'

then

Control > Configure Dolphin > General > Previews > Show Previews for Video Files

>>59696892
Linux Mint

>>59696800
Void is great. It's basically Arch, if Arch had runit instead of systemd and much more competent developers. Problem is, it has barely any packages (probably slightly less than Arch official repos, but with some useful AUR packages without most of the AUR.) Gnome is a dead end on it, because it needs systemd now. KDE 5 also isn't available on void. it also has very little documentation, but honestly the only documentation you need is runit and xbps (package manager). Everything non systemd related you can just use the Arch or Gentoo wikis for. Installing it is easier than Arch.

That said, void might not be for you. Gentoo is very minimal, yet powerful (like Arch and void) but it's got a steep learning curve and is hard to install, as well as compilation taking forever. Debian can be installed minimally as well and might be more suitable if you're a beginner. All of the distros I mentioned officially support 32 bit and are not derivatives, so it's pretty unlikely that any of them will drop 32 bit soon.

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>>59696884
what

>>59696939
Linux Mint is Ubuntu colored green plus security removed. Fuck off.

>>59696951
Oh boy, here we go.
>inb4 50 mint shitposts

>>59696951
It has canonical botnet removed, and looks much better by default. I guess I'm a little fond of it because I started with mint, and because someone on the mint irc helped me fix my problems that were making me consider dropping Linux. You're right though, it is insecure unfortunately. Debian is much better. Ubuntu isn't easier than Debian at all, if anything it teaches you bad habits about Linux like using the canonical app store to install stuff.

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>>59696976
I'd just like to interject for a moment. What you're referring to as Linux, is in fact, GNU/Linux, or as I've recently taken to calling it, GNU plus Linux. Linux is not an operating system unto itself, but rather another free component of a fully functioning GNU system made useful by the GNU corelibs, shell utilities and vital system components comprising a full OS as defined by POSIX.

Many computer users run a modified version of the GNU system every day, without realizing it. Through a peculiar turn of events, the version of GNU which is widely used today is often called "Linux", and many of its users are not aware that it is basically the GNU system, developed by the GNU Project.

There really is a Linux, and these people are using it, but it is just a part of the system they use. Linux is the kernel: the program in the system that allocates the machine's resources to the other programs that you run. The kernel is an essential part of an operating system, but useless by itself; it can only function in the context of a complete operating system. Linux is normally used in combination with the GNU operating system: the whole system is basically GNU with Linux added, or GNU/Linux. All the so-called "Linux" distributions are really distributions of GNU/Linux.

>>59696951
>Ubuntu
>throws newbies off because say they don't like linux because they don;t know what a DE is

Mint also comes with some software that is really helpful while Ubuntu comes with

also
linux mint is easier to tweak with than Ubuntu for newbies.
Don't forget as well
>Amazon

How about you watch your language

how into webm thumbnails in chromium? (ffmpegthumbnailer don't work)

>>59697002
haha ebin meme my friend
upvoted

>>59696942
You can also use musl instead of glibc

>>59697044
pssst, nobody cares

>>59696942
I was able to get into the Manjaro installer by installing the cli-based installer from the live OS. I'm gonna mess around with Manjaro for a bit and check out Void when they eventually drop 32 bit support. I'm not too worried about having to reinstall when that happens as I'm doing this mainly to learn Linux a bit more than I already do.

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>>59697061
Linux is the name of the kernel that Linus Torvalds developed starting in 1991. The operating system in which Linux is used is basically GNU with Linux added. To call the whole system "Linux" is both unfair and confusing. Please call the complete system GNU/Linux, both to give the GNU Project credit and to distinguish the whole system from the kernel alone.

>>59697076
I apologize for my mistake, Mr. Stallman.

>>59697076
Linux is the name of the kernel Linus fucked around with because he was too much of a jew to license Minix.

GNU is a decades long series of autism started by an obese MIT student who went on to do absolutely nothing at all with his life.

GNU/Linux is autism + judaism

>>59697106
Actually, the whole shit began with a proprietary printer.
At MIT, RMS hacked the printers so they send messages to the user when a printing job was finished. One day they got a new printer, without source code. That made him angry. Angry about nonfree software.

>Every thought derives from a thwarted sensation.
>E.M. Cioran

>>59697044
musl void is absolutely unusable for a desktop. on a distro that already has not enough packages, musl stops you from using another large chunk of packages.

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>>59696057
>>59696948
>appearance

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wr7UtYDG7Jo

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>>59697180
>angry. Angry about nonfree software.
feels

Post a shell script and I tell you what is wrong with it.

>>59697224
emerge --sync --quiet

>>59697248
Oh c'mon.

#!/bin/sh
# Status bar script

conky | while :
do
    read line
    xsetroot -name "$line" || exit 1
done

There has to be something better than conky, right?

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>>59697203
I dont want to change my icons to ugly shitty default folders you idiot weeb cunt

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>>59697180
>nonfree software

>>59697272
>opera
shiggy fucking diggy

>>59697269
What informations do you want to print?

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>>59697272
>I dont want to change my icons to ugly shitty default folders
You asked 'how to change icons on gnome'. I guess you're fucking dumb and meant to ask 'how to install different icons'?

>you idiot weeb cunt
Those girls are south Korean dumb fuck

There are multiple ways to install new icons. I just grab icons out of the AUR. What distro are you running?

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>>59697299
Here's my conky config:

conky.text = [[${if_up wlp5s0}W: ${wireless_essid wlp5s0} ${wireless_link_qual_perc wlp5s0}% ${wireless_freq wlp5s0} ∙ ${endif}${if_up enp4s0}E ∙ ${endif}${battery_short} ∙ ${execi 60 sensors | sed  '5!d' | cut -c 18-24} ∙ ${execi 300 date +%a} ${execi 3600 lvc-lite} ${time %d/%m %R}
]]

lvc-lite is a script i wrote.

>>59697272
Why do you have gtk+ on high contrast? Are you disabled?

>>59697417
Welp I'd stick to conky here. Sure you can do everything in sh, but it would spawn endless repeating processes.

>>59697425
Evidently yes because he uses a shitty proprietary chink botnet browser, as well as being too retarded to look up incredibly simply questions

>>59697367
>how do i change desktop icon font?
On Gnome 3
you are so so very dumb
See
>>59696057


>>59697425
I changed it to High contrast to show him that appearance changed the font. But also changes the theme as well. This I'd what it is
>>59696057

>>59697417
network, battery stuff: look into /proc/
for example:
cat /proc/net/dev
cat /proc/net/wireless
ls /proc/acpi/battery/

>>59697272
>using icons

Just use i3wm or even better guile-wm you pajeets. If you want a 'desktop' with a bunch of icons and junk then install windows or buy a Mac I don't get the point of even using Linux/BSD if you're going to go all Win 3.1 icons

>>59697454
kek I misread your post. Didn't see 'font'

>>59697496
GNU+Linux*

>>59697496
fajeets*

>>59697272
The 4th category on the left says 'FONTS'

which container/sandbox-thing is best to contain firefox?

>>59697610
look into firejail

>>59697624
will do

>>59697496
>he doesn't have to recompile his wm to change settings

>>59697496
>If you want a 'desktop' with a bunch of icons and junk then install windows or buy a Mac
but free DE's like KDE, GNOME, Unity, Cinnamon, Budgie and others are all way better and customizable than anything windows or a OS X can provide

I actually still can't decide which DE I want to use. Currently on xfce but I don't know if I wanna stick with it...

>>59697840
#freedomproblems

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Hello all. What is your preferred terminal emulator? I tried the standard ubuntu terminal and wanted something that had tabs I could shift between. I switched to terminology but it's kind of annoying to right click when I want a new tab and the color scheme kind of screws with my vim colors.

>>59697937
urxvt

>>59697705
You can heavily customize OS X if you want just most people don't bother.

apt-get install i3-wm, go on jewtube and look up an intro to i3 and write down the simple instructions how to switch tabs/stacks and you're done. there's no reason to use another dm

>>59697937
coolretroterm > tty1 > urxvt > termite > konsole > gnome-terminal > terminator > terminology > st

>>59697937
just use xterm

>>59697980
macOS*
youtube*

Does anyone here use RHEL at home for personal use/as an everyday machine?

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>>59697449
Opera is much better than FIirefox and Chrome - not that they are the only three browsers, but they are the inly usable browsers. And yes, i did search it up.

>>59697607
Yeah but..

>>59698102
nonfree pig disgusting

>>59698102
Try changing 'interface' or 'window titles' and see if they change icons also

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>>59698102
Chromium is perfect

>>59698133
Chromium is botnet.

>>59697640
>mbw having to recompile a broken kernel and reset everything twice a week just to spite winhomos
Really makes a stink

>>59698139
No it's not. You're thinking of Chrome surely.

>>59698143
MODS

>>59693531
>not understanding vlans
>not being able to google "linux network alias"
>not being able to grasp what "listen means"
>somehow this is the fault of linux

God help you when you try to configure ddns. If you want a friendly wizard, use IPA. You probably don't understand how this shit fits together anyway. Learning how dhcp+dns+rdns+keys to add dns entries really works would make you a better Windows admin anyway, since AD does the same thing

I'm using fedora 24 right now, it's horrible.I can't even install steam onto it.

NEVER USE LINUX! IT'S FUCKING HORRIBLE

>>59698150
You're falling for the "Open Source" bait anon. Chromium is the same botnet like Chrome, it sends a large amount of private date to google and it even did some shady things like silently downloading binary blobs that listen to your microphone.
>search chromium hotword

>>59698133
Just of much of a botnet as Opera. At least Opera sells it to 3rd party, not keep it and create a mass database on everyone's lifes.
It even looks like shit as well

>>59698121
No work, guess i change profile pic :(

>>59698188
https://rpmfusion.org/Configuration/

After that
dnf install steam

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>>59698191
>>59698201
Also: https://github.com/Eloston/ungoogled-chromium

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>>59698188

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OpenBSD is the only operating system worth using.

>>59698227
>ungoogled-chromium should not be considered a fork of Chromium.

>>59698156
Where is your Mod now, Priest!?

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>>59697624
so I installed firejail and I noticed there are profiles for a shit-ton of programs
is there a point in sandboxing things like mpv, gimp, feh, zathura, tar, transmission, unzip and most of the stuff in pic related

>>59698215
THERES NO TASK MANAGER ON FEDORA WTF???????????????? FUCK THIS OS!

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>>59698143

>>59698284
>search
>system monitor
there you go

>>59698296
Youtube doesn't work because the os doesn't support HTML5 Video

>install arch linux
>try copy pasting commands from the wiki
>ctrl+v
>terminal prints ^V
what the fuck is this linux cant even copy paste??? lmao

>>59698284
>what is ps
>what is kill
>what is top (or htop)

>>59698303
Download Firefox, Chromium, or chrome and install Adobe Flash Player

>>59698304
sup babby?

>>59698304
>t. average Arch user

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What's the Sumatra PDF of loonix? Evince came with my DE but I'm not a big fan of it. Okular sounds ok but it depends on KDE which makes me hesitate.

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>>59698312
>>59698284
Fuck off, it comes with GNOME system monitor.

>>59698320
not that guy but go neck yourself, cunt

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>>59698332
>GNOME system monitor

>>59698357
Friendly thread, pleas behabe.

>>59698327
>loonix
Please? Are you trying to say that Linux is poo software?

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>>59698373
That's the name of the package

>>59698394
it actually is, 50% redhat, 25 microsoft, 20% google, 5% literally who on github, 0,02% linus approving commits

>>59698408
>pacman
what is wrong with you
do you need to feel yourself from time to time?

>>59698441
>>pacman
>what is wrong with you
What the fuck is wrong with you? Are you fucking retarded?

>>59698332
>>59698408
>pulseaudio
>chromium
>systemd
>gvfsd-trash
>gvfs at all
>gnome in it's entirety
>gnome system monitor
>not using ps, grep and kill as your task manager
>not using top, htop or glances as your system monitor
>being a fedora cuck
>being a cuck

>>59698453
There is nothing wrong with pulse.

>>59698453
>using the word 'cuck' unironically
wew

>>59698408
it's not the name, but the concept that gets me

>>59698466
poettering cuckware

>>59698467
>>>/reddit/

>>59698480
>pottering
whatever, pulse fixes lots of alsa flaws and extends its functionality.

>>59698143
>a shit (shithole).jpg
top kek

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Fedora, systemd, pulseaudio, NetworkManager and anything related to GNOME is garbage for cucks that should've stayed with winshit or OS X

>>59698505
What's "top kek"?

>>59698277
security is all about providing minimum access
do those programs need access to absolutely everything? the default profiles just disable things those programs shouldn't normally use

you don't need to use those profiles, they're not enabled by default (you need to run firecfg to enable things)

>>59698540
What do you use, smartypants animeposter?

>>59698546
'top kek' is the 'allahu akbar' of 4chan; a slogan to praise the reddit god 'KEK' who made trump the president of america for 'lulz', the status quo of lel (haha)

>>59698546
If you want to say "lol", you say "kek" instead so you don't get made fun of.

>>59698546
kek is 4chan speak meaning lol

>>59698546
https://pepethefrogfaith.wordpress.com/

>>59691621
How do i make my FREE SOFTWARE more popular??

https://github.com/sailormoon/flags
https://github.com/sailormoon/stopwatch

>>59698766
Impressive username, you should try selling it.

>>59698721
>>59698734
A few months ago I said fuck it and just started using lol again.

I remember when it all changed too. It was right around the time when texting was extremely popular but "smart phones" weren't a thing so there was no auto-complete and "tlking lik dis lol" became mainstream.

and as usual it wasn't a problem for me, because I didn't interact with those people. But still, 4chan had to go and change to be different because we have enough people on this site who DO interact with normalfags that they are desperate to separate themselves.
(same reason a lot of old 4chan memes are now considered "reddit" because of 4chan users who can't stop going on reddit but want to be different)

But no more. I'm taking unironic "lol" back lol

>>59698790
heh

>>59698815
lol

>>59698775
b-b-b-but i want to be a popular free software contributor... one day...

>>59698919
ruh roh

>>59698919
make a binary package and upload it to your favorite file sharing host
see if mozilla hunts you down

I'm new to Gentoo
Do I really have to prepend the "group" of programs that a program is in while emerging it? Ie do I need to emerge www-client/firefox, or can I just emerge firefox?

>>59699053
you can just emerge firefox. This only fails if there are several packages with the same name
Also for fuck's sake how difficult is it to just try it instead of wasting time asking here

>>59699053
you can do

 emerge firefox

or for more specific situations

 emerge =firefox-52.0.1

>>59699073
Are there actually that many packages that have the same name?

>>59699085
I've run into a situation where some python lib for interaction with a certain program has the same name as that certain program and emerge doesn't prioritize one over another. I forgot the name of the program though

>>59698856
don't worry anon, you will be, someday :3

>>59699106
remembered it - it was lz4

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are the w3m images supposed to disappear when changing workspace?

>>59699305
>is a toy supposed to do funny stuff
I'd say it's working as expected, anon.

>>59699335
>a toy
how else do I see image previews if I don't use a graphical file manager?

>>59699345
What were your expectations?

>>59699360
for images not disappear when I change workspace and go back?

whats influencing the resolution of openrc & the login prompt? Right now its displayed in like 800x600, even wrapping the lines on a 1080p screen.

>>59699367
... while using an abandonware toy? Time to adjust your expectations, friend.

>>59699427
it's not an issue with ranger though
it's w3m (the same happens on w3m and neofetch)

why should I use linux outside of work?

>>59699473
why are you using it at work?

>>59699473
because it respects your freedom and doesn't spy on you

>>59699489
because the programs I make run on linux servers

>>59699473
>stable, almost never crashes unless you cause it to
>you actually control your computer unlike Mac OS and Windows, where you're forced by windows to let it update when it wants
>free/open source software so you know it isn't doing anything malicious or spying on you. It's been confirmed again and again
>you can make it look and function any way you like
>lightweight
>package management is way better than windows/osx (homebrew LMAO)

>>59693179
just try it on a vm first

>>59693704
bash as default shell, fish as backup shell

>>59699917

>backup shell
Yes, I don't remember all the times when my primary shell was out due to sickness and I had to fall back to my backup shell. Wew, saved many lives that day.

>>59693967
What distro do you use? It seems like all the flavors of Linux have pretty much adopted systemd.

>>59697937
ubuntu terminal has tabs

>btrfs on an entire drive (sda instead of sda1) is actually usable
>btrfs doesn't support swapfiles
wew

>>59699946
not him but I use void
At this point (excluding distros that default to systemd but support others, and excluding forks of systemd distros) the only remaining non systemd options are gentoo, void, pclinuxos and slackware.

If I install a Linux OS on a hard drive containing windows 7 or 10, would you guys recommend removing Windows or keeping both and switching between the two?

What I want to do with my computer is just basic stuff, it just really turns me off that Windows 10 is essentially mass surveillance. I do want to pick up coding somewhere down the line and heard it's more accessible through Linux-based OSes, but that's on the periphery right now.

>>59700068
I dual booted at first, and then quickly nuked windows. Consider: what software do you use in windows? Basically no reason to keep windows around if Linux can do 100% the same thing (browse the internet, watch videos etc). If you game, consider if you can play your games on wine, or just play linux games. Honestly, I'd straight up replace windows once you get off any necessary data. Manjaro is good for beginners, and it's what I'd recommend. Debian is also great. I'd stay away from Ubuntu, because it's got similar surveillance problems to windows (apparently they're turned off by default but I wouldn't trust canonical at all after the amazon stuff).

I don't know since I've used linux since I started programming: how do winfags use git?

>>59700207
the same exact way you use it in linux
with a gui because it's faster than typing commands and filenames

how do I make fortune appear before I login, like in Slackware?

>>59700233
is this bait?
>what is autocompletion
even all my friends who use macs prefer cli for git

>>59700243
not bait, just try using git extensions for a day and you'll see how much faster it is
it's also faster to see file changes because there's a nice diff window
it's also faster to see all your commits and branches because they're displayed graphically
it's just faster in every way

>>59700200

thanks for the heads up, I was actually looking at ubuntu

>>59699444
it's always been finicky in my experience.

>>59700274
>I was actually looking at ubuntu
Ubuntu is fine. The guy you're talking to
>Ubuntu's got similar surveillance problems to windows
>Manjaro is good

is obviously retarded

Newbie here, in manjaro os, sbin is symbolic linked to /usr/bin.
Why even have a sbin? (Learning the basics from the linux command line book).

To add to the previous comment, what after completing "the linux command line" book?
Is there more to learn?

>Manjaro dropping support for x86
https://forum.manjaro.org/t/phasing-out-x86-architecture-support-in-general/20777?u=orajnam

>>59700379
>manjaro
arch*, they symlinked /bin and /sbin to /usr/bin for no reason at all, other than wanting to be special snowflakes
all normal distros have separate /bin, /sbin and /usr/bin
debian would be a better learning OS than arch

>>59700388
maybe you'll wanna go into some more advanced scripting, idk

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>>59700312
Manjaro is good

>>59700420
fool

>>59700420
>>59700463
manjaro is gay

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>>59700484

Just curious about your thoughts on this:
When writing a cli program, should the syntax be in the format of "[binary] [verb] [subject]" or "[binary] [subject] [verb]"? Which is the Linux/Unix standard?

Is there a way to stop, or at least shorten systemd's bullshit 90 second start job timers when something isn't working on boot?

>>59700560
wut?

>>59700586
Not him but
let's say systemd as an example:
systemctl service disable
as opposed to
systemctl disable service
Obviously the second is more logical.

>>59700420

>manjaro dropping
They aren't doing anything, it's Arch that's stopping the support and because they don't contribute or do anything other than leeching off other people's work that's the consequence of it.

>>59700579
I'd like to know this too
if no one else answers, find out and report back, will ya

>>59700606
read the link you dunce it's an April fool's joke. They're pretending to stop supporting all 64 bit and 32 bit CPUs

>>59700606
>>59700420

Just noticed that it's a joke, but the point still stands.

>>59700613

I just did. But they will still stop supporting this
https://www.archlinux.org/news/phasing-out-i686-support/

>>59700603
the second *is* more logical and most common
`service <service> <start/stop>` is an exception

using systemdicks
haha

>has $2000 PC
>can't play games because muh linux

>>59700702
A PC is for coding, not for gaming. When will you get it.

>>59700705
hahahaha so you play games in console at 30fps?
>eyes can't see beyond 30 fps
>30 fps is cinematic
hahah i take it you are not /r/pcmasterrace who thinks consoles are better?
Pc>console>linux

>>59699380
bamp

Is freebsd a linux distro?

gui made by freetards looks like shit

I have issues with KDE, though it normally is pretty good, when I am running a bitcoin node or something the window usually is not smooth. Didn't happen in gnome. What do? Does KDE take a bigger performance hit? I only have a intel g2X series

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>>59700234
put it in your bashrc

>>59700749
yes