What are some cool ideas to pimp a drive bay, including DIY stuff?

>>59670138
Drawer to hold your Gentoo install CD

>>59670138
make a bracket and add another fan.

- a mounted headphone amp
- small display running htop at all times
- a button labeled "turbo" with a custom script attached to it which you can push for fun or profit, maybe something that controls a drone to bring you coffee
- speakers

I've been thinking about 3D printing a small ant farm or a hotpocket dispenser

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>>59670138
Memory card reader. Makes keeping a laptop around as a card reader unnecessary.

>>59670138
Mine is a little compartment, I keep my flash drives and a cable to connect my phone inside it

Thermaltake did a cigarette lighter plus ashtray some time ago, no kidding

>>59670138
floppy disk drive that reads sd cards

>>59670432
dongles for those exist

>>59670432
>keeping a laptop around as a card reader
who the fuck does that?

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Bought this three years ago for my desktop. Best thing ever.

Now it's filled with little garbage like Thumbdrives, SD cards ,adapters, small cables etc.

>>59670646
+1

>>59670646
my gf would raid it and find my porn collections and ex gfs' pics etc etc

>>59670806
that a 2006 AC unit?

>>59670806
what am I looking at

>>59671253
http://www.hardwarezone.com.sg/feature-computex-taipei-2006-part-7/sytrin-and-tagan
>Built as an add-on cooling module to provide consumers with an easy way of adding more cooling power to cool down their desktop computers is the PC AirCon PAC 400. The removable unit occupies just one 5.25 bay and can be easily installed/uninstalled.

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>>59670138
I got two of pic related, one in my main desktop and one in my "slave". Now I only have to open my case when I need to rotate a HDD, if I want to make a shallow copy for backups or sharing - or burn in a new HDD I can just slide it in via this.

Has standard SATA connectors on the back, if you stick a 2.5" in a caddy they fit as well.

>>59671414
That's fucking handy

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>>59671414
>>59671558
Ive seen ones that have both a 2.5" and 3.5" bay too.

>>59671660
You can fit six 2,5" HDD's into one 5,25" bay? Absolutely sick

>>59671680
There is an 8 bay one too.

>>59671718
I was about to mention the 8-bay one. Problem with the 8-bay is that the user is limited in the drive height.

>>59671764
So you can only fit 7mm drives?

This is quite an interesting thread for once and I have nothing to contribute to it other than a bump

>>59671885
Yep: https://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16817994178&cm_re=Icy_dock_8_bay-_-17-994-178-_-Product

It's also fuckshit expensive too. The 6-bay version though that the other dude posted can use 9 and 15mm drives i think.

However, if you have more money than sense, you can drop 12 grand on 4TB Samsung SSDs, cram 8 of them into the 8-bay unit, and have a cool 32TB of solid state storage in one 5.25" bay.

>>59670646
Ebin

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>>59670138
>No fan controls
pleb. there are high end fan controllers.

>>59670417
An ant farm sounds like a bad idea unless you're 100% sure it's perfectly sealed. Would be awesome though.

>>59670441
Where'd you get it? I would like one.

>>59670646
Where?

>>59671414
Can you leave the drive off with this and turn it on whenever you want?

>>59672321
Amazon.
Not sure if /g/ accepts links but here: https://www.amazon.de/Minidiva-Laufwerksschacht-Schublade-Aluminium-Qualitaet/dp/B00LGMJBNI/ref=sr_1_2?ie=UTF8&qid=1490974013&sr=8-2&keywords=5%2C25+zoll+fach

>>59672336
Thanks, I'll translate and put the name into the US site.

Is it good? The reviews look prettu shitty.

>>59672333
Your computer's power management should handle that

>>59670646
I had one of thses for years. It can hold a surprising amount of shit.

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>>59671414
>>59671660
hey bros

>>59672364
Just wondered because it has a power button.

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>>59672321
>>59672336
Bet you can get it also from the Chinese merchant like Aliexpress, probably for much cheaper.

>>59672349
I has no slides proper slides and gets stuck often when opening. The quality is quite poor, but as far as I know there is no alternative product.

>>59672373
How would you rate the quality?

>>59672333
>>59671660 here
Powerbutton on mine doesn't actually do anything. Not really sure of the usecase - perhaps it needs connecting up to work but I didn't want to use it anyway.

>>59670600
Not him but sometimes does card readers for PC don't work

>>59672383
Well you gotta power it down before ejecting. I assume it will be some kind of acpi soft shutdown

>>59672412
then get it replaced, dipshit

>>59672336
>>59672385
https://www.aliexpress.com/item/Desktop-Computer-5-25-Bay-Case-Box-Rack-Blank-Organizer-Drawer-for-Storage-Devices-Memory-Cards/32756577259.html?spm=2114.01010208.3.1.xV8xBb&ws_ab_test=searchweb0_0,searchweb201602_0_10065_10068_10136_10137_10138_10060_10062_10141_10056_10055_10054_128_10059_10099_10103_10102_10096_10052_10144_10053_10050_10107_10142_10051_10143_10084_10083_10080_10082_10081_10110_10111_10112_10113_10114_10037_10032_10078_10079_10077_10073_10070_10122_10123_10124-10102,searchweb201603_0,afswitch_1,ppcSwitch_2,single_sort_0_default&btsid=dbe3d7f0-80ae-4f99-a022-7b5b70f0ca8c&algo_expid=28340239-a4f2-4284-86b7-87e7e47d3e17-0&algo_pvid=28340239-a4f2-4284-86b7-87e7e47d3e17

Not cheaper, but friends from burgerland can order here too.

>>59672385
Might as well get it from China, it's probably the same shit. Sucke that the quality is poor, I would have liked a good one.

>>59672405
Yea I wonder what it does.

>>59672422
Aren't they supposed to be hot swappable?

>>59672452
It's a few bucks cheaper, gonna get one whenever I order some shit from China. Thanks bud!

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I bought one of these from Newegg.

I use it to store important discs, USB drives, various SD cards/adapters/readers, and self-retracting USB extension cables.

>>59672457
The drive is marketted as hot swappable, but Windows seems to goof it up anyway. I always end up restarting to use it.

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Sata switch. It allows you to choose which SATA devices receive power via buttons on the outside of your case. You can effectively dual boot without having to mess with GRUB, just press the button for the OS you want, and boot up.

Pretty neat.

>>59672702
>not using a hypervisor and run both at the same time

>>59672694
I have a eSATA port that I use for backups, and I had to set the specific SATA port to hot-swappable in the BIOS. now i can "safely remove" the eSATA drive in windows

>>59672702
Shit that is cool. You need to turn off the one for the other OS, correct?

>>59671973
Maybe 32TB in RAID 0 is a bad idea. I'd say RAID 0+1 would be smarter. Or RAID 5 maybe.

>>59672723
Do any hypervisors exist that could have one active OS and an inactive one? So like caching one somewhere in storage and swapping to it with a quick keyboard shortcut?

>>59672694
>>59672727
Yea although I am not sure how much you will need to swap drives. Most likely not often, if at all.

>>59672750
>Do any hypervisors exist that could have one active OS and an inactive one? So like caching one somewhere in storage and swapping to it with a quick keyboard shortcut?
All of them?

>>59672702
or you can just have your bios setup to all list bootable drives on start

or just change boot order in bios

>>59672762
well minus the keyboard shortcut

>>59672762
Oh. I'm not really too knowledgeable on hipervisors and thought they didn't have that ability. I'm asking more specifically about one with "a quick keyboard shortcut".

>>59670600
Retards

>>59672753
I only use it a few times a year realistically. But it's only like 20 good boy points and I've spent more than that on things I've used less.

>>59672880
In any good hypervisor, the main OS (the one controlling the hypervisor) will only run if the guest (the OS being run by the hypervisor) tries to access hardware that hasn't been explicitly passed through to it.

If that doesn't make enough sense to you, don't worry. The point is that using a hypervisor should not cause much, if any, performance degradation if you only care about working with one OS at a time.

>>59672949
>type 2 hypervisor
>good

>>59672958
Fair enough, but even type 2 hypervisors can be configured to not cause much of a performance drop in the guest if you set CPU affinity, pass through the GPU, etc.

a tape deck. or a car radio with tape deck

>>59673050
>2017
>not having an 8-track player

Stay poor, pleb.

>>59673050
A tape drive is a pretty good idea, desu: https://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16840119087

Perfect for archiving all your anime reaction faces and porn on 6TB of encrypted tape

>>59673074
>not using VTL
Tape only becomes effective if you have 100+ of them and a autoloader. And anything old is going to be agonizingly slow.

>>59672452
>Romantic Art Store

>>59672452
That link looks like something that would normally contain a XSS attack. You can cut it off after the first ".html" and it still works perfectly fine, BTW

>>59672452
>https://www.aliexpress.com/item/Desktop-Computer-5-25-Bay-Case-Box-Rack-Blank-Organizer-Drawer-for-Storage-Devices-Memory-Cards/32756577259.html
> Capacity: 9-14 pieces of candy Alps
> Use: Sundries

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>all these plebs not knowing how to pimp a 5.25" bay

>>59672452
>Capacity: 9-14 pieces of candy Alps

What kind of fucktard measurement is that.

>>59673185
This post looks like something that would normally contain autism.

Can you hot swap sata drives like you can with usb drives? Im considering buying a new drive to use as a backup that is kept outside of my machine and putting it in with one of these

https://newegg.com/products/0VE-000W-00018

https://newegg.com/products/N82E16817995104

>>59671063
kys

>>59672905
How much is that in USD?

>>59670600
I have done this in moments of desperation when I can't find my dingle dangle

>>59672226
you must work for a shit company with a server like that. What is that, an M series?

>>59673461
depends on your OS, mobo and drivers.

>>59672694
you might need to update drivers.

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>>59670138

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>>59673514
>you must work for a shit company with a server like that
It is one of my personal computers

>What is that, an M series?
SuperMicro 743 1200 watt SuperQuiet, X9DAE motherboard, dual Xeon E5-2660v2, 160GB RAM, Intel X520 NICs, Dual GTX 980s, Areca 1883ix-24 RAID card, 8x 4TB HGST 7K4000 HDDs, 8x Seagate 600 Pro SSDs and a 40" 4K display.

>>59673236
>>59673395
Top kek. Didn't even read that far.

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>>59673582
i hope the fans are Delta if you want to remain on this board

>>59673493
Now that's like 25-30 USD

>>59673607
Sanyo Denki, they were about $25/$30 each.

>>59673582
why

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>>59673640
Why not

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>>59673632

>>59673660
And what is wrong with Sanyo Denki fans?

>>59673693
>doesnt know about delta

>>59673719
>cant provide a single reason why sanyos are bad
>cant read datasheets
>only has paint memes

>>59673659
pointlessly wasting power and money

>when anime hoarding goes too far

>>59673759
>cant detect memes and sarcasm even when it hits him in the face
>being this autistic
>>>/out/

>>59673765
>66 VMs
>anime hoarding

>>59673801
so, what do you do with that thing? why would anyone need 66VMs running at once at home?
Is it just to brag about it on /g/? I saw you in another thread bragging with that shit

>>59673640
This guy is basically a meme, always tries to justify the stupidest choices (including being a macfag, on fucking /g/)
At least he cleaned up all the gunk he had on the front of the case

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>>59673838
>what do you do with that thing?
SQL Server AlwaysOn availability group, Exchange DAG, SSCM, SCOM, SCSM, AD, NPAS, RDS, and plenty of other things. Some people actually work in IT rather than just use computers to play vidya

>>59672258

I think it's no more dangerous than mineral oil cooling

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>>59673790
>i-i was just being s-sarcastic y-you autist!

>>59673898
ebic vidya meme, friendo
I work as a sysadmin, and i can't for the life of me see the point of having that shit at home. If you host shit for others/customers do it in a datacenter where you actually have someone to blame when power/network fails

>>59673938
>I work as a sysadmin
Sure you do

> can't for the life of me see the point of having that shit at home
Let me guess, when an interviewer asks you how do you keep your skills up to date on enterprise class technologies, you say you read blogs.

>>59673898
>unironic macos
>unironic microsoft crapola
>work in it, host at home
you're the gift that keeps on giving
i hope you have a razer mouse

>>59672412
laptop and pc are the same retard just different form factor

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>>59673934
how fucking retarded are you? you couldnt figure that out when i posted the fucking image of a flying PC with Delta fans inside?

please KYS

>>59673698

Is that a VCR?

>>59673962
The interviewers would probably laugh at you when they see your "skills" with windows server.
no company worth its salt uses that shit

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>>59673995
>i hope you have a razer mouse
Logitech G700s, I like the scroll wheel on it

>>59674016
>no company worth its salt uses that shit
Thanks for proving you've never had a real job and dont know how much normies love Outlook.

>>59674022
>all that MS garbage
very good goy

>>59674036
>needing a windows server for outlook
u wot
The only windows server at my company is used for AD bcause muh windows clients

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>>59674008
>Is that a VCR?

>>59674072
>>needing a windows server for outlook
yes
https://technet.microsoft.com/en-us/library/aa996719(v=exchg.160).aspx#Anchor_5

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>>59674008
Kill yourself

>>59674092
You don't need to use exchange to use outlook you know?
are you brainwashed by microsoft or something?

>>59674114
>You don't need to use exchange to use outlook you know?
Thanks again for proving that you dont have a real job. Outlook is a lot more than a basic mail client. Go try to use Outlook to schedule meeting rooms and populate attendees calendars as a IMAP client.

>>59673934

If you weren't such an insecure faggot you would be laughing with the rest of us. Instead you had to go full sperg.

>>59674130
We have other Middleware for that.
We're a small company and don't want to chocke on the big black cock that are MS license fees
2bh everything is just shoehorned togehter

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>>59674022
>being so proud of owning this shit up to the point of making an ugly diagram of it
this isn't autism, this is... something else

>blackberry

>>59673814

What a piece of shit that thing was.

If it lasted a month I'd be surprised.

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>>59674096
>>59674079

No buli

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>>59674151
>no one else could think i'm retarded but the Sanyo Denkifag

>>59674161
>I work for a real company
>But we cant afford software licenses and are forced to use free software which doesnt integrate with anything

>>59674162
>I've never had an IT job in my life

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>>59672382
bros

>>59674180
I don't see the problem with all the itegrations. So far everything works just fine. You don't need giant overhead to manage 10 employees

>>59674189
Those IcyDock hotswap bays are shit, the levers rattle and the piss poor cooling causes the disks to overheat. i used to have 2 of them.

>>59674206
>i'm a sysadmin
>at a company of 10 people
sure you are

>>59674022
are you seriously running ntp in a vm? actually, two ntp in two vms?

>>59674130
outlook supports webdav

>>59674220
>are you seriously running ntp in a vm? actually, two ntp in two vms?
Yes, for redundancy.

>outlook supports webdav
So? It still doesnt do what I said without exchange.

>>59674214
It's not just administrating the local network, obviously. We do the whole infrastructure for the customer's systems.

>>59674214
I have none of the problems you've stated. Filled that 5 bay with 2tb seagates and none of them died. The levers are solid as shit.

When did you buy yours? i'm guessing you either didnt get the same model. There's an older version that looks identical but has a different model number.

>>59674180
How did you ever manage to get a job? Is there some sort of affirmative action for the handicapped?

>>59674234
holy
shit
this seals the deal
not only your insecurities are painful to even read, but you clearly have no idea what you are doing

>>59674234
>redundant vms
>on a single system
are you baiting?

>>59670285
wouldn't the first be subject to a fair amount of interference, being located inside a tower?

>>59674242
>I work for a MSP
>But we cant even afford to buy Exchange
Its $500 for the server $50 per user retail pricing. How poor is your company. And "managing" even smaller businesses doesnt make you a sys admin.

>>59674251
>I wish I could afford nice things at home

>>59674264
>I think hardware failures are the only failure mode

>>59674275
shield it properly

>>59674214
Used to have one (old, tool-less, cage-less) and one lever is broken. Still works but it's really not well built. I wouldn't use them for 24/7 operation that's for sure.
Maybe the newer ones are better.

>>59674283
so what makes one a sys admin, oh god of all knowledge?
also, do you have some kind of superiority complex?

>>59674296
>so what makes one a sys admin
Working at a company with more than 10 people would be on requirement. Working at a place which is successful enough to afford $750 in licensing would be another.

>>59674316
nice load of bullshit

>>59671973
That'd probably be amazing yet fucking terrible when it came to drive temperatures, all being packed in that tiny space with no active cooling.

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>>59674264
He's not.
But he has more than a few problems, I remember a pic where you could see a part of his hand... ewwww
No doubt he was bullied as a kid

>>59674343
>i wish i worked at a company big enough that scheduling meeting rooms was actually a problem which needed a solution.
>I wish I worked at a company big enough that we had to have something other than an access switch as our core router

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>>59674316
wat
these are your requirements?
i guess i am god tier sysadmin then

number of microsoft products we use: 1

>>59673698

This gave me an idea. Think it would be possible to mod a console like the SNES to make it fit into a drive bay?

>>59674357
who wouldn't want to bully an annoying faggot like him

>>59674283
>I think hardware failures are the only failure mode
Assuming the VM doesn't do anything but run a mere NTP server, how high is the probability that the thing will spontaneously combust without a hardware failure? Has there been a case where one of the two actually crashed?

>>59674385
>few employees means small infrastructure
lmao, now here's the part where you are completely clueless

>>59674405
>Has there been a case where one of the two actually crashed?
You do realize that plenty of Windows updates require reboots?

>>59674417
>>few employees means small infrastructure
Go take a timestamped picture of your "datacenter"

>>59674428
reminder to not use windows

>>59673613
Meh a bit expensive. Not bad if you could use it though.

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>>59674385
Works perfectly with WebDAV calendars and our employees aren't forced to use Outlook.

You're proud to have... a professional switch? A router? I don't really see your point.
According to your diagram, you only have one Internet uplink for your super-important-company, and now that's really shitty. Once again I beat you yet I consider what I have to be completely unexceptional.

Then again, you host VMs on a single machine for redundancy. Nothing can ever top that.

>>59674474
>Works perfectly with WebDAV calendars and our employees aren't forced to use Outlook.
No it doesnt. Go back and read what I said, resource mailboxes require exchange.

>for your super-important-company
Its my home.

>>59674530
But I do it every day.

So you actually have no job?

>>59674428
>You do realize that plenty of Windows updates require reboots?
>updating a server that does nothing but run NTP

Why? No I mean really, why? You could run an NTP server even on a battery backed microcontroller with an RTC/GPS chip attached to it(or an ARM SBC for that matter) which would probably be safer (both as in conventional security and redundancy) than running it on an OS that needs periodic reboots. Also why not use an OS that doesn't need restarts? It's not like the OS itself matters when you only need an NTP server.

>>59674606
Because Microsoft PR rep #612646 can't use evil other software or OSes

>>59674585
>But I do it every day.
You dont. You clearly dont even know what they are.

https://blogs.technet.microsoft.com/dst2007/2007/03/11/what-is-an-exchange-resource-mailbox-how-do-i-find-them/

>So you actually have no job?
No, I just have a full Cisco network at home and several dozen VMs without having ever working in IT a single day in my life.

>>59674606
>Also why not use an OS that doesn't need restarts?
Management purposes.

>t's not like the OS itself matters when you only need an NTP server.
Oh great let me unnecessarily worry about yet another entirely different set of managment tools just so I can run a NTP server. Why would anyone ever want to try to standardize their software?

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>>59674606
It doesn't matter anyway, he's running both of them on the same machine...
I just can't stop laughing.

>>59673580
laughed at first but found out this is real. sold out on tiger direct. damn, i need this

>>59674650
>NEET tries to school people who actually work in the field
can't make this shit up fampai, only on /g/

>>59674650
I don't care about what Microsoft does, what I obviously meant was that we manage rooms with WebDAV calendars every day. And it works with Outlook, but also with other applications. And there's nothing impressive about that.
Fuck you're so insecure it's painful.

>>59674708
>we manage rooms with outlook using WebDAV >its totally the same as a resource mailbox in exchange
Its not, for instance it wont tell you if you schedule the meeting for more people than the room holds. And you get to do stupid shit like have to have someone go in to the other calendar and approve them.

>>59674650
>Management purposes.
>standardization
>ntp

Seriously what do you "manage" on a VM that only runs NTP? Do you constantly change the time or time zones? It's pretty easy to come up with a battery backed set and forget type of solution for something as simple as an NTP server. You sound like you are overcomplicating such a basic task for some reason.

>>59674764
He sounds like the pretentious arch user just with windows server
p funny actually

>>59674764
>Seriously what do you "manage" on a VM that only runs NTP?
What the fuck do you think tools like SCCM and SCOM do?

>>59674748
>Its not, for instance it wont tell you if you schedule the meeting for more people than the room holds.
Okay, I'm not forcing my users to install Outlook for this.
Especially since many, myself included, are not running Windows.
But yes, that's something I can't do. Since I'm not painstakingly insecure I have no problem admitting it.

>And you get to do stupid shit like have to have someone go in to the other calendar and approve them.
What? No.

>>59674816
>Okay, I'm not forcing my users to install Outlook for this.
And how small is this company you work at where the executive dont demand outlook? You're that tard who works at a "MSP" of 10 people?

>>59674789
>system health monitoring and management software

That wasn't what I asked. I was asking what setting you needed to change so often that you dediced to use windows on it so that it fits the rest of your setup. I mean aren't you doing something when your NTP server needs periodic maintenance/management?

>>59674853
Why would anyone "demand" outlook? you really are brainwashed. Our boss is full FOSS supporter.

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holy shit this assburger goy is too funny

>>59674903
it's a real joyride

>>59674894
Mine is too, but our autist++ is even thinking that if I don't force them to install it... they can't use it. Still, I'm sure we can milk him for something better than the VM redundancy bit.

>>59674886
>one function of systems management is not monitoring health
lolwut

>>59674894
>Our boss is full FOSS supporter.
I'm sure he is along with the other half dozen people in your "company"

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>>59674903
>running two VMs on the same machine for """"redundancy""""

Someone needs to screencap this

>>59674941
>NEET insults other peoples companies
my sides are gone
it's probably that attitude of being an absolute ass that makes you a NEET

I hope you have Cisco and Microsoft certificates

>>59674941
>one function of systems management is not monitoring health

Sscm and scom are system management and monitoring software respectively. With that out of the way would you finally like to tell me what you need to manage on a fucking NTP server? I really don't get why someone would use windows as an NTP server just for microsoft's management software and then run a second VM due to reboots because you chose windows in the first place.

>>59671088
Folder maze my friend.

>>59675061
>operations manager
>not management

>With that out of the way would you finally like to tell me what you need to manage on a fucking NTP server?
patch management? configuration management?

>>59675071
You're fucked if someone runs a scraper over your disk that collects all image files
happened to me, I used a image library software and let it scan my whole media HDD for pics. suddenly also all the porn pics showed up in the database

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>>59675061
https://blogs.technet.microsoft.com/askds/2007/10/23/high-accuracy-w32time-requirements/
>The W32Time service cannot reliably maintain sync time to the range of 1 to 2 seconds. Such tolerances are outside the design specification of the W32Time service.
kek

>>59675137
>>59675071
>>59671088
>what is encryption
idiots, all of you

>>59675166
so mommy don't find the naughty pics?
are you underage?

>>59675165
>https://blogs.technet.microsoft.com/askds/2007/10/23/high-accuracy-w32time-requirements/
>kek
You should have bothered to read the article

>We actually don’t like to get into specifics with regards to high accuracy time, because we flat out cannot guarantee they will stay consistent using the x86/x64 motherboards real-time clock.
>If you are really looking for that 1-2 second kind of accuracy, we always recommend you invest in replacement hardware clocks that override the PC’s RTC and give you extreme accuracy (think nanoseconds).

I put my porn in ~/Porn

>>59675203
read the conversation before you open your mouth.

>>59675136
>patch management
Let me repeat myself
>updating a server that does nothing but run NTP
Even if you want updates you could as well install a distro that supports livepatch and update everything including the kernel without rebooting which would eliminate your artificial need of the second VM.

>configuration management
Again, why? Do you change the timezone regularly?
>inb4 security
That can be solved by using a microcontroller and even if you use a full fledged OS like you do now, it shouln't be hard to give every device a static ip and restrict the NTP server's communication abilities to the machines you want with the kind of equipment you have.

>>59675232
You're right, this is even better!
Fucking hardware clocks when any decent OS and ntp server has been able to be below "nanoseconds" accuracy for 20 years.

>>59675247
never

>>59675248
NTP doesn't really need timezone updates, the only updates you may want are leap seconds.

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>>59675248
>Even if you want updates you could as well install a distro that supports livepatch
And then get an entirely different set of management tools just so i can manage patches on a NTP server…

>Again, why? Do you change the timezone regularly?
You do realize group policy manages a lot more than just timezones?

>estrict the NTP server's communication abilities
pic related

>>59675271
again the problem has nothing to do with the OS but the hardware

>>59675299
thanks for proving you're a fucking retard that projects his insecurities onto others when they just gave a solution to a problem someone else was posting about.

>>>/trash/

>>59675331
relax, I was just shitposting mr turboautist

>>59675310
>Since this system of correction was implemented in 1972, 27 leap seconds have been inserted

So 27 leap seconds in 45 years which makes 1.6 seconds a year. Not really a valid reason to run 2 VMs for NTP is you ask me.

>>59675137
>>59675137
His stupid girlfriend isnt smart enough to go through either of these. You faggots dont need to make it more complicated then it needs to be.

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>>59675384
>i-i-i'm just shitposting, i'm not a-a-actually retarded

>>59675323
Operating systems (yes, even Windows) don't use the onboard RTC to keep track of time once they're booted up. But even better, ntpd can compute the natural clock drift.
As I said, this problem has been solved for 20 years.

>>59675402
Yes, especially since you'll get the correction from the Internet anyway; what usually matters is that all your machines keep the same time.

>>59675454
>this butthurt over a simple joke
find help

>>59675323
>b-but muh patches
>my NTP server totally needs to be updated constantly

Constant updates don't really make sense if you care about redundancy, uptime, etc. enough to run 2 VMs.

>You do realize group policy manages a lot more than just timezones?

I will ask the same question once more, what policy/setting do you sometimes change on an NTP server?

>>59675454
>reddit movies
fuck off

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>>59675469
>Operating systems (yes, even Windows) don't use the onboard RTC to keep track of time once they're booted up.
https://www.kernel.org/doc/Documentation/timers/timekeeping.txt
>When the wall-clock accuracy of the clock source isn't satisfactory, there
are various quirks and layers in the timekeeping code for e.g. synchronizing
the user-visible time to RTC clocks in the system or against networked time
servers using NTP, but all they do basically is update an offset against
the clock source, which provides the fundamental timeline for the system.

>>59675506
>Constant updates don't really make sense if you care about redundancy, uptime
It does if you care about security, and its why you use SCCM with its cluster aware updating.

>I will ask the same question once more, what policy/setting do you sometimes change on an NTP server?
I have several dozen group policies.

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>>59675506
It's also worth noting that NTP servers don't need to run constantly. It's not like clients will start insanely drifting for a few minutes of downtime (it's Windows updates, so yes minutes), and his NTP server on Windows can't keep accurate time anyway.
Everything about it is stupid.

>>59675609
Why are you so triggered that I have 2 NTP servers? Oh noes it uses a couple hundred extra megabytes of RAM when I have 160GB, a few gigs of space when my SSD RAID is 3.8TB, and about 80Mhz worth of CPU time when I have 44Ghz of capacity. The 2nd NTP server is a drop in the bucket as far as resources goes

>>59675599
Some computers don't even have RTCs.
Nothing of what you quoted proves me wrong. RTCs are a source, that's not how the OS keeps time.

>pretends to care about security
>uses windows

>>59675633
>a couple hundred extra megabytes of RAM
>for a fucking NTP server
lmao

>>59675633
because we are entertained

>80Mhz worth of CPU time when I have 44Ghz of capacity
that's totally how it works

if i was you i would probably sell this machine to get plastic surgery

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>>59675637
>>pretends to care about security
>>uses windows
Keep on pretending Linux is secure

>>59675599
>It does if you care about security, and its why you use SCCM with its cluster aware updating.
You said that it can only communicate with certain machines and nobody is going to go out of his way to hack your NTP VM.

>I have several dozen group policies.
And do any of those actually affect the operation of the NTP server? Again, a microcontroller/SBC based solution with a battery could last a very long time without maintenance, it's not like an NTP server requires constant attention from a sysadmin.

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>>59675633
>Why are you so triggered
Are you not aware that people are just making fun of you because you are trying to justify overcomplicating such a simple task while running VMs on the same fucking host for redundancy?

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>>59674189
From the thumbnail I though you gave your computer a cute little awning.

>>59675681
>You said that it can only communicate with certain machines and nobody is going to go out of his way to hack your NTP VM.
I didnt say anything. I showed a picture of my VACLs showing that it's interVLAN traffic was filtered. And it is still a best practice to keep up to date on patches.

>And do any of those actually affect the operation of the NTP server?
Yes.

>a microcontroller
Have you ever done embedded development? Oh great let me have a TCP stack on a system with 32kb RAM. That sounds like a great idea. It will totally save time over just cloning a VM template, joining it to a domain, and installing NTP software.

>>59675727
>Setting up a uC is simplifing things compared to setting up a VM
stay buttblasted anon some people actually have nice hardware at home they can do things with

>>59673898
>>>59673838
>>what do you do with that thing?
>SQL Server AlwaysOn availability group, Exchange DAG, SSCM, SCOM, SCSM, AD, NPAS, RDS, and plenty of other things. Some people actually work in IT rather than just use computers to play vidya

I don't know what all these other people are taking about. I work for a server host and we use all of this technology.

Veam/VCC makes us so much money

>>59675788
What is your point?

>>59674474
>WebDAV
>Web FUCKING DAV
WebDAV is horseshit and you should feel bad.

>>59675788
but windows is for vidya, not work
also
>>59675836

>>59675892
>Microsoft is where it is because of enterprise solutions
>Windows is not for work

>>59675913
>>Microsoft is where it is because of enterprise solutions
kind of a dead meme

>>59675948
from the 90s pointy haired boss who talks about enabling synergies

>>59675785
>it's interVLAN traffic was filtered
The point is nobody is going to try to bypass that or your firewall for your NTP server.
>And it is still a best practice to keep up to date on patches.
I will inform every sysadmin I can find that is in charge of managing an outdated LTS installation that they need to immideately update. If it isn't broken, you don't fix it.

>>And do any of those actually affect the operation of the NTP server?
>Yes.
Care to give an example? Genuinely curious.

>Have you ever done embedded development
I have, and there are existing NTP implementations for various microcontroller architectures if you don't want to write something from scratch. NTP isn't demanding and it can be handled properly by a microcontroller. If you don't want to bother just use an SBC. You would also have actual redundancy.

>>59675971
He could literally cram 30 MCs doing NTP into a 1HU enclosure for maximum redundancy :^)

>>59675785
>Setting up a uC
>I'll ignore the mention of SBCs and ignore that UCs are mentioned to show how lightweight NTP is

>stay buttblasted anon some people actually have nice hardware at home they can do things with
>It's not because of my retarded claims, they are surely jealous
Nobody cares about your setup, people will always laugh at someone who claims to be experienced in the field and runs 2VMs on the same host for redundancy.

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>>59675971
>The point is nobody is going to try to bypass that or your firewall for your NTP server.
intraVLAN traffic is not filtered

>If it isn't broken, you don't fix it.
Updates exist to fix broken things

>Care to give an example?
pic related

>NTP isn't demanding and it can be handled properly by a microcontroller.
wow this is going to save me so much time trying to shoehorn NTP in to 32kb RAM on a 8bit PIC. Why dont I run everything on PICs installed in breadboards?

>write something from scratch
Wow, even more time saved, writing an entire OS an NTP client/server from scratch. Totally easier than just running it in a VM, or even just enabling the NTP server in my switch

>>59676014
>not emulating 100 microcontrollers with SPI NICs running NTP servers for extra redundancy

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>>59676035
The guy thinks all computers have RTCs... he likely doesn't know anything about embedded development!

Either he's a NEET or a fake it till you make it kind of sysadmin.
Or both.
We still have to go deeper.

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>>59676041
>disable skype

The butthurt in this thread could power the entire US east coast for 5 days straight

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>>59676130
And It's all from just one guy!

>>59676041
>intraVLAN traffic is not filtered
I'm talking about filtering it in a way that only certain devices in your home network can access it to prevent attacks from outside.

>Updates exist to fix broken things
If the software that you are only using as a time server has so frequently fixed broken things that you run a second VM just for the updates, just consider using something that doesn't need babysitting. Setting up an NTP server that doesn't need any attention after the set up isn't hard.

>pic related
I don't see an NTP related setting there. Do you constantly change a setting of the actual time server on a basis? What do you need to change after having given it a static address and configured the server?

>wow this is going to save me so much time trying to shoehorn NTP in to 32kb RAM on a 8bit PIC. Why dont I run everything on PICs installed in breadboards?
>I will ignore the SBC part and pretend as if I advised doing it fron scratch
I was saying that schematics and code for such a thing already exists and can be used.

>>59676089
B-but only non-1337 n00bz run weekend project tier tasks on appropriate hardware, real pr0s use 6 gorillion VMs on the same machine for proven redundancy®

>>59676347
>If the software that you are only using as a time server has so frequently fixed broken things
https://www.eecis.udel.edu/~ntp/ntp_spool/ntp4/ChangeLog-stable

>Do you constantly change a setting of the actual time server on a basis?
You do realize that there is much more on a NTP server than just NTP software?

>What do you need to change after having given it a static address and configured the server?
I gave you a screenshot and you're too retarded to read it

>I was saying that schematics and code for such a thing already exists and can be used.
And it will be a horribly broken trail of tears. ntp.org's software has been in development for over 20 years and bugs are still being fixed. No one is going to care about fixing your shitty barely functional atmel implementation

>>59676583
>You do realize that there is much more on a NTP server than just NTP software?
What's the point of running a billion VMs if they all come with a bunch of other crap? Oh wait... Windows.

>>59676583
>You do realize that there is much more on a NTP server than just NTP software?
Then you're doing it wrong.

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>>59676583
>set up cron job to check for ntp updates once a month
Boom, no need for management software

>You do realize that there is much more on a NTP server than just NTP software?
What's the point of having additional points of failure and attack vectors if you aren't using it for anything other?

>ure retart xddd
I wonder how many posts it will take you to understand what I'm . I suppose you don't change settings regarding xbox, skype, cortana, etc that are seen on your screencap often and there's nothing NTP related other than "configure NTP". The question is do you actually configure the NTP server that often.

>And it will be a horribly broken trail of tears.
> atmel implementation
>I will continue ignoring the mention of SBCs

You don't need windows of all things for such a simple task. You whole bloated windows VM can be replaced by an SBC with two 18650s but feel free to try to prove that you need group policy and VMs for something even a PIC can handle performance wise, this is really fun.

>>59674022
I'm not a Microsoft guy, at all. I use it on my work laptop because i can't get Linux on it.
Anyway, I am seriously impressed by your setup and I'm sorry you have to put up with manchildren that don't understand how such thing can develop your skills

>>59676877
>what I'm
What I'm asking you*

>>59676898
>people working as sysadmins tell NEET how reality looks like
>they are somehow the 'manchildren'
nice one buddy

>>59676673
>Then you're doing it wrong.
Keep on pretending that running some shitting uC implementation on top of FreeRTOS is the right way to go

>>59676877
>Boom, no need for management software
what are you talking about?

>What's the point of having additional points of failure and attack vectors if you aren't using it for anything other?
keep on pretending that a uC is somehow more secure.

>The question is do you actually configure the NTP server that often.
I just showed you one picture you retard

>can be replaced by an SBC with
running another full fleged OS. oh wow it does nothing be add additional cost, overhead and provides no additional value

>>59677078
again, the laughably small MSP you work for which cant even afford $750 in exchange licenses doesnt make you a sys admin. it makes you a glorified helpdesk phone jocky.

>>59677118
>MSP
What did he mean by this?

>>59677118
I don't work at an MSP, and setting your own goalposts for what is and isn't a sysadmin is laughable. I laugh at you for being a microsoft bootlicker, literally a dime a dozen, every pajeet can do better than this.

to keep this short and sweet: kill yourself.

>>59675505
Get raped and kill yourself, you retarded kike loving fucking tranny faggot sack of ugly nigger shit with down syndrome.

>>59677171
Managed Service Provider. Small companies outsource their IT stuff to them.

>>59677189
>My company still can't manage to scrape together $750 but seriously guise i'm a sys admin

>>59677226
They could but they wont. Because the free alternatives work just fine. Are you retarded? thi is literally Economics 101. Don't spend money if not necessary.

>>59677245
>Seriously we can afford things and stuff
Go take me a time stamped picture of your MDF rack, I want to laugh at it.

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>>59677118
But if I ever imposed using Outlook half the company would quit. It has nothing to do with price.
Pic related for once. I bet you buy Apple products.

>>59677226
Would kill myself before working for an outsourcing company. Aren't those always very large, anyway? Does this guy know anything about the business world?

>>59677189
Holy shit! The mystery is solved. Why didn't I think of it before? It's a pajeet. It explains why his pictures are so fucking dirty, including the few of his body parts we've seen.

>>59677284
It's friday night you fucking retard

>>59677284
It's the weekend.

>>59677334
NEETs don't understand the concept

>>59677118
>what are you talking about?
I'm saying that you don't need such overly complicated stuff for a mere NTP server.

>keep on pretending that a uC is somehow more secure.
Are you too dense to understand that I was talking about how running unrelated bloat on a server isn't logical?

>I just showed you one picture you retard
And I'm asking you one more time, autist, what attribute of the NTP server do you change often enough to need microsoft's management software, which is the reason why you use windows for an ntp server just like said?

>running another full fleged OS
A headless linux install isn't fully fledged in comparison to windows server which even has a GUI.

>nothing be add additional cost, overhead
And the guy who runs 2VMs on the same host for redundancy(kek) and brags about not having to deal with hardware limitations is now worried about the overhead and cost of a $30 credit card sized SBC and 2 batteries.

>no additional value
Unlike your placebo VMs, an SBC with a GPS module and battery backup actually offers redundancy. It can actually continue serving other devices if your VM host fails and doesn't require babysitting nor rebooting for updates.

>>59677284
I don't know about the other guys, but our datacenter has 24/7 video surveillance, ins and outs are logged, and I'm paid extra every time I go there after hours.

What should I tell my boss when he asks me why I had to go there? :^)

>>59674396
But for what purpose?

>>59673580
Is..Is that a ciggy lighter ashtray combo?

>>59670432
The cheap chinese ones are useless.

Also my old-ass Dell monitor has them built-in.

>>59678764
why? I have a USB 3.0 one with every card imaginable and it's great

>>59674396
Why not just a FPGA unit? Even better if a PCI-E card.

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>>59674220
>Yes, for redundancy.

Does. Not. Matter. It's not accurate.

Shit..

That >>59679577
was meant for him >>59674234

>>59679526
>I have a USB 3.0 one with every card imaginable and it's great

Does this even matter? I haven't seen an mmc card in years, and even Sony dropped Memory Sticks, I only keep one around for my PSP. Do you really need anything but SD/micro SD card readers anymore? Do you even need a fucking smart reader slot like >>59670432

>>59679760
CompactFlash is still used

>>59678036
Tell Pajeet that you were there to do the needful