Truth or shills?

>>59663072
Could we not have the same thread on the same exact topic every single day?

>it's this thread again
Sage and hide, guys.

>>59663111
t. Intel fake news shill

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>>59663072
I don't get how people keep on making these threads.

Go read the anandtech article so you have some understanding of CPU performance outside of muh games.

Here's the short of it:

7700k will perform better in the majority of games out right now. If you have a 144hz monitor and play at 1080p then this is the processor that makes the most sense.

However, that does not make the 1700 bad. You will still pull ~100+ fps in 1080p with one. IPC is at broadwell-e levels, so you are suffering primarily from a lower clockspeed. However, what you lose in fps you make up for in multitasking capabilities and multi-threaded applications.

It makes little sense in today's market to continue to recommend 4c8t processors. The market is indicating that more threads are the future, and if people buy processors with more threads then developers will be forced to start utilizing them.

Intel has held the cpu market in artificial stasis. 4c8t are only the norm because it is safe for Intel. Regardless of what team you're on, this is a good thing for consumers.

Developers made games to be played on intel since AMD was scratching their nuts in the corner for a decade Give them time to adjust to the brand new architecture. It's to fuck early

buy ryzen+radeon so I can laugh at you later

>>59663350
>>59663072
Forgot the article: http://www.anandtech.com/show/11170/the-amd-zen-and-ryzen-7-review-a-deep-dive-on-1800x-1700x-and-1700

>>59663350

I'm going to say that gaming with Ryzen has better minimums and.... Less stutter. I cant explain it, was watching my buddy play with his new build, and everything felt smoother, despite another build having a 7700k with the same gfx card. I cant put my finger on it. Frametime benches show contradictions again, but I'm not sure what it is. Going to try and get both builds side by side and see whats up.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UtyaGppWknE

>>59663350
>the market is indicating that more threads are the future
Not for personal use.
Moar cores was a joke a few years ago and its still a joke now.

>>59663072
they're about even in gayming. and it depends on resolution and game which one you want to go with
if you want to future proof yourself, go with any R7 or R5 (should be out in a week) and you will be better off than the 7700K

>>59664515
Tripfag shills are double cancer.

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>trying to do this on 7700K

maybe at 20GHZ

>>59664470

Never post that faggots video again.

>>59664515

Don't you get tired of being raped up the ass with the stupid shit you post?

Are you a masochist?

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>>59663072
>So what's the real story about Ryzen vs current i7s?
Let the results speak for themselves. Spoiler alert: Ryzen is an utter fucking failure.

>>59663072
The Zen architecture has a few quirks that - if not understood - will bottleneck your performance. Primarily, the intra-CCX (2 sets of 4 cores) latency and bandwidth is ratio'd with your RAM speed and most RAM did not overclock easily out of the gate.

The intra-CCX bandwidth probably will be increased in a future Zen+ architecture. New microcode updates will make OC ram easier.

Also some games don't utilize the cores very well and so the higher IPC and clock rate of the 7700K means it outperforms the 1800x.

Although a lot of people find that games overall are smoother as the minimum framerate increases with the 1800x vs the 7700K in almost all cases that I have seen.

The 1800x also does not overclock by much as it a highly binned version of the 1700 which was designed and fabricated in a server class, (3.3GHz) low power process.

>>59664663
I've seen a few benches with updated Bios and 3200ddr4 that do Much better.

>>59664663

Unoptimized. The patch for Ryzen will correct this.

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>>59664663
horrible, do not buy

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>>59664706
>just wait™

>>59664701
Except it's still fucking shit, even with higher ram speeds.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TDvk9_iTq6Y

>>59663072
After a windows update Ryzen are doing fantastic in games. If it has not already someone will probably post the one where the 7700K @ 5ghz is losing to a Ryzen 1700x @3.97ghz.

Still going to stick with my 6800k tho.

>>59664526
>go with any R7 or R5 (should be out in a week) and you will be better off than the 7700K
Thanks for the laugh.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=L4K7eIEAJx0

>>59664780
>posting idiot shill video

the R7 already out performs the garbage 7700K in gaymin

>>59664736

>Outdated information posted as fact

http://pcworld.com/article/3185466/hardware/heres-proof-that-ryzen-can-benefit-from-optimized-game-code.html

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>>59663072
>>59663350
To add onto that guys post, the architecture has quite a few oddities, most notably the CCX crosstalk latency. Ryzen is physically two quad cores on the same die connected by a 256 bit bus that runs at the same mhz your RAM does. If your RAM is slow then it fucks with bandwidth between CCX, this isn't much of a problem in most applications, but it matters quite a bit in games. Going from 2133mhz RAM to 3200mhz RAM on average will improve performance by 12%. This will actually put it past Kaby Lake in a lot of games.

Also, the "it can't overclock" is FUD, yeah they cap out at 4ghz, 4.2ghz with water cooling, but the 1700 has a baseclock of 3ghz, with a 3.2ghz all core turbo, and a 3.75ghz single core turbo. Majority will hit 3.9ghz which is a 22% OC over the stock turbo. 7700K has 4.4ghz all core turbo, and majority will hit 4.9ghz, which is only a 11% OC over turbo.

Most shills will then reply
>but the 1700X gets 11% and the 1800X 5%!
because they don't realize they're just higher bins for rich people. It's like the 9590, yeah it ran at 4.7ghz stock but any 8320 would hit that as well.

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>>59664758
>eurogamer

>>59664808
Salazar is literally one of the best tech tubers out there. Fuck off.

>>59664824
See, that link is what makes me question Ryzen.
Ashes is an AMD game
It's designed from top to bottom to preform better on AMD hardware.
It also has a small player base, it's basically a dead game.

>Oh look we got 22% increase in a game designed by us!

>>59664862

He's a shit stirring troll. Calling him the best at anything is a low fucking bar.

>>59664862
he's fucking retarded

>>59664884

Fair enough. You have concerns, and it shows AMD has a tough road ahead for customers.

I will say this though, it is a brand spanking new architecture that is competitive with an architecture that has been the defacto standard in the industry for the past ten years. That has no more software optimizations and no more kinks to work out. And it's losing in most use cases to the brand new architecture.

>>59665001

>I am critical of Cooler Master products, this video brought to you by Corsair

>>59664663
Kill yourself.

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what a shit cpu

>>59663072
> measuring a cpu in terms of gpu performance

Is it possible some cpu/gpu pairs just get along better than others?

>>59664862
Nah, he's a rich fag cock sucker that has a swagfag demographic

>>59665128
1440p benchmarks remove CPU bottlenecks.
Doom on vulkan also doesn't need a good CPU
I believe i3s even match i7s in Vulkan.

>>59666194

>Your cherry picking isn't fair to my cherry picking!

>>59664515
how are you still shitposting?

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>>59666325
That's not an argument
1440p is a GPU benchmark, not a CPU bench.

Doom isn't a CPU bound game and is a bad test for CPU performance

Look at how well Old CPUs do here.

>>59663072
i wouldnt trust any Benchmark pictures here.

also keep in mind that benchmarks are going to rely on the micro code updates, Motherboard bios updates, games updating, particular setting in Windows 10 being on or off, whether or not its Overclocked, if they have features of the cpu disabled, or if the game they are using has been updated to support Ryzen or uses Multithreading at all. And stuff have been changing since the cpu launched, so benchmarks will be all over the place.

AMD's prerelease examples should not be trusted, as they were clearly not using a sound methodology. "we'll have intels machine look at the ground, and Our machine staring into the sky so there is nothing to render. will you look at that, Ryzen has better frame rate."

i looked at a bunch of youtube reviewers and the consistent outcome seems to be that Ryzen performs like an i5 7600k in most cases, but with higher Minimum frame rates and taking advantage of multithreading in some games. And absolutely crushes when given a heavily multithreaded task like Rendering a video.

>>59666464

Is it or is it not a test of the CPU?

>>59664884
Not really amd optimized, just actually using a new api correctly, its basicly the doom of dx12, it was made correctly so you see what happens when the devs aren't retards.

The important take away here is that amd is not held back by multiple cxc's exactly, 10 devs and one work week is what it takes to make a game work great on amd hardware, It's a shockingly small amount of time and effort, even when a dev does shit the bed and doesn't fix shit, the games still play more than adequately to not complain.

>>59666529
Yes.

>>59664772
at best it would be a sidegrade, at worst a downgrade from a 6800k depending on workload.

but you are also an outlier as far as cpus are concerned.

>>59665242
nvidia get along with amd better then amd amd and intel gets along with amd gpus better too...

its mostly to do with the overhead in the drivers where nvidia has lower, it allows amds cpus to be taken further, and amd requires more so intel cpus take them further

>>59666464
its showing of what vulcan can bring to the table now that I think its been definitively proven that dx12 is pure shit for games.

>>59664780
why does he have such a punchable face?

Results of those two CPUs are usually not far apart from each other in most games

CPU heavy games run much better on the 7700k, for example Arma 3 and CSGO

>>59666882
oh man 260 fps vs 320fps in CSGO what ever shall I do

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>>59667202
>wanting tearing on your 300hz monitor
It's alright to admit you're gay

>>59666551
>, 10 devs and one work week is what it takes to make a game work great on amd hardware

See that's how I know ur an AMD shill.

It took them over 2 years to fully optimize the 290x
1 year to get the furyX running right
8 months to optimise the rx480

But sure all it takes is 1 week right?

>>59667250
>tearing

it would just be blurry

and by blurry i mean """"""""""""""""blurry"""""""""""""""""""""""

>>59667379
read any of the six billion articles talking about the 30% performance uplift on ryzen cpus in the new patch.

The short version of the story is:
-there was a decent sized gap on launch
-the gap has been narrowed with recent microcode and bios updates
-ryzen benefits massively from fast ram, which has only become usable with very recent bios updates
-games may be poorly optimized for ryzen, as shown by the double digit percentage fps gains in ashes of the singularity after a small code update
-ryzen is hands down better than anything intel has in multithreaded workloads, except maybe the 6950x, at a far lower cost
-all of that being said, the 7700k beats it in the vast majority of games for now

anyone heard/tried running 3466 CL15 RAM?
It's cheap right now.

>>59667412
actually AMDs microcode comes in may
the gap is being narrowed by bios updates that allow ram OCing and devs of gaymen fixing shit
the microcode will push ryzen equal or greater in nearly everything probably

>>59667425
where is it cheap?

I have pushed my ram to 3600 for le memes but I like it at 3200 cuz I am a pussy

>>59667412
>the 7700k beats it in the vast majority of games for now

Depends on metric you use, 1800x(1600x) flat lines fps and frametimes(except dx12 due to nature of API optimizations have to be done close to metal).

>>59667427
Bullshit AMDrone. Source for this magic performance fixing microcode that's supposedly coming out or I'll have raja install a toilet in your home.

>>59667437
$200 for 32gb
LPX though

>>59667446
motherboard vendors talked about it
most likely just RAM extension, hardware sure can push faster RAM

>>59667446
uhh they announced it like a month ago, dumbass
it comes in may

and the 4.0ghz R7's (any of them) are already btfoing 7700K

>>59667465
what's LPX then? I have LPX didn't know it was bad

>>59667525
Sane strategy, if you don't need 8 cores, would be to get R5 with overkill RAM - downclock it to whatever works for now and get zen+ r5/r7 next year which will run fast RAM out of box.
Changing CPU like it's GPU is cheaper in the long run. 200gpu+250 CPU every two years now possible.

>>59663851
Input lag maybe

everything's integrated onto the chip with ryzen so there's less for the motherboard to slow down

>>59667538
CMK16GX4M2B3466C16

I lied it's 16Gb.

>>59667588
pcie is under 1ms even if it's going through motherboard
pretty sure it's just that OS doesn't interfere with game running, like it usually does snatching CPU commands that were meant for GPU

>>59667573
well now the asus rog even can get 3600mhz so I don't think really any am4 motherboards over $170 can't clock to 3200+ without much issue

whatever upgrade they're getting in the future is going to be even crazier..

>>59667644
most b350 boards have 3200+ in specs meaning memory controller is not the issue it's agesa code that amd has to hurry up with

>>59667573
>Changing CPU like it's GPU is cheaper in the long run.

Not if you're an intel nigger. Every 2 years they change the fucking socket.

>>59667412
>>59667427
>>59667525
minor AGESA updates have been dripping by, but the major one is supposedly in May

>>59663072

Here are the facts:
Early reviews showed 7700k crushing AMD but they where using shitty early bioses coupled with 2133mhz ram.

Newer reviews show the 1700 overclocked beating or coming close to the 5ghz 7700k in most tests, this is due to better bios and higher frequency RAM, since ryzen needs at least 2933mhz to be any good.

But you get a fucking 8core/16thread cpu that is an absolute beast in many tasks and you get a gaming cpu thats comparable to a 5ghz oven.

>>59664780
>that face
nope.

you faggots don't need any of this shit, you all post from your phones anyways since none of you have the money to buy a desktop and play the jew game of going to college.

All phonefags need to banned from this site.

>>59664831
this, Intel fags btfo

moar cores is the future
AMD willl sure work on the CCX latency in the meantime use faster RAM

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>he bought a 7700k

>>59668010
3600MHz RAM is literally 13 times more expensive than 2133MHz ram

>>59664663
Nope.

>>59664831
> yeah it ran at 4.7ghz stock but any 8320 would hit that as well
Nope, mine couldn't. I didn't overvolt it, tho.

>>59664831
IMO what AMD should have done with the interconnect speed is allow for partial decoupling of it from ram speed similar to what intel did with nehalem and gulftown/westmere.

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>>59668039
you've never overclocked before have you

>>59668019
I call bullshit

>>59668098
Literally true, if you buy Ryzen you need 4200MHz RAM to be competitive and that costs $200 per 8GB

>>59668019
3 GHZ

>>59668101
If anyone can get that high memory running on a Ryzen It would absolutely demolish anything out right now.
Assuming the performance scaling doesn't cap out at 3600

>>59664831
shut the fuck up with this ccx shut you stupid nigger you aren't a CPU architecture designer

>>59668123
adolescent retard

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>>59668123
now that's just straightup false

my field is mostly optimization work, but I designed a basic 16 bit harvard architecture CPU in mineman awhile back

>>59668042

or having it run 2:1 of the ram. simple yet perverted.

but its AMD: they cant do something without doing at least one thing wrong.

>>59668332
Having it run 2x of the ram speed would also backfire on them, as it would consume more power and decrease the number of viable dies due to defects in the interconnects area. Keep in mind the process doesnt clock high, and having it 2:1 would mean that even with the slowest supported ram the interconnect would be pushing 4.2ghz. Semi-synchronous (adjustable) or 1:1 synchronous would have been better than 1:2.

Who knows, maybe as bios updates come out and tweaks occur the ram and thus the interconnects can clock higher.

>>59668014
Seriously, why does ryzen seem to always have very stable frametimes?

>>59668366

alright. thanks for pointing that out man.

Btw has anyone seen any benchmarks of ryzen with 3200 cl12 ram? or 4266 cl19?

Both CPU brands are pretty competitive... and thats amazing, we've not been in this situation for a decade.

So people are fighting over 3-5% differences like they are the end of the world.

>>59668471
3200 theres likely a few floating around, but 4266 is currently beyond its means.

And continuing on with the interconnect: AMD does have a whole bunch of neat power and clock control circuitry on Ryzen. If they had opted for an adjustable Interconnect clock, they could have possibly rigged it up to dynamically clock up and down according to the load its under, so they get performance and low latency when they need it, and high energy efficiency when its not doing much.

I've got a 4690k that chokes in bf4 at 4,4ghz. Should I just get a cheap 4790k? Or is it better to step up from ddr3 1600mhz cas9 memory altogether?

>>59668366
It actually runs at the RAMs raw rate, ie "2133mhz" actually makes the interconnect run at 1066mhz, and "3200mhz" at 1600mhz

They could easily do 2:1, and that'll probably be one of the things done in Pinnacle Ridge.

>>59664663
pls post 800x600benchmark.png

>but gtx 1080
>still have 2500k
>still get 60FPS in all games in 4K
Really makes ya think. Maybe because I don't play recent pew pew AAA trash that is so badly optimized that you need to throw hardware at it

>>59668458
It's not running all cores at 100% so when _SOMETHING_HAPPENS_ <- Windows it has enough room to accommodate it.

Also I've read that AMD has spent a lot of time getting the chip over the fabric to run at the same latency even over MCMs, so that might be a thing.

>>59668533
>AMD does have a whole bunch of neat power and clock control circuitry on Ryzen.
It also has a integrated voltage controller that's DISABLED on the desktop and the mobo controller is used.
It's impressive power consumption will just get better once this is enabled either with microcode or gen2.
But I'm pretty sure it'll be enabled for APUs and server parts, it would be stupid not to.

>>59668922
It won't get enabled on AM4 sadly, doing so would require a new platform.

>>59669258
Why do you think so? It's there to not cut into the mobo guys profit margins, or maybe they can't enable it yet due to yields, but it's perfectly doable running it enabled, since it's currently in bypass mode and reroutes voltage control to the motherboard.
Some small parts of it are enabled as well, but for larger stuff like cores, caches and fabric it's disabled.

both sides are shills.
>buy overpowered cpu
>muh FPS in witcher

literally makes no sence

>The internal voltage regulation (dLDO)

>Zeppelin is the first design in which AMD has extensively utilized integrated voltage regulators. Unlike the fully integrated voltage regulator (FIVR) used in Haswell and Broadwell CPUs, AMD's regulator implementation isn't based on ultra-high speed switching circuitry. >The integrated voltage regulators in Zeppelin are ultra-high efficiency digital low-dropout (dLDO) type of regulators. Most of the different domains (cores, caches, data fabric, etc.) have their own dLDOs and they can all be controlled individually.

>Despite the presence of the dLDOs, the consumers can ignore them completely. This is because in the consumer parts most of the dLDOs (all except some of the minor domains) are permanently placed in a by-pass mode. This means that actual regulators are disabled and all of the voltage regulation takes place on the motherboard, just like on the previous generation CPUs and APUs.

>>59669282
>APUs using under 1W in C3 state

Holy fuck imagine that.

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>>59664515
Just like how Intel never has any problems, right?

>>59667379
literally the devs for the game said it took 400 dev hours to fix ryzen, and this is the initial patch, they think there is still more they can do.

The cpu itself and platform, I'm betting it will be a good 2 months before most of the growing pains are ironed out, 6 months before ryzen is a solid platform outside of working setups, as in its all plug and play, not fucking around in the bios to get shit running.

NOW, you bring up gpus

the 290x on paper is about 25% stonger then a 980, a reasonable 1100 clock rate puts it at more powerful then a 980ti/1070, and my little brothers 290x that hits 1350 stable is aproaching a 1080, but I will tell you now it preforms nothing close to a 1080 (does manage to beat out a 980ti but with the golden silicon he got, it would be hard not to)

The fury x is more powerful then a 1080 without overclocking.

Driver overhead is one thing, but even then, that's not making up how underutilized amd hardware is and in the case of the fury, its just not fully utilizable outside of gpgpu applications because its not suitable.

You are confusing two different problem, one is driver issues, one is hardware issues, and at least from what I watched with his 290x, it had no hardware issues, motherboard manufactures dragged their ass or amd held back till zero hour, kind of hard to tell which one is true, but either way, the issue is one that is getting solved, and in many cases is already solved. unless there is something that will happen to un pair the cxc interconnect to ram speed all that's left is for motherboard manufacturers to get more ram kits validated to increase their support. .

>>59664831
>Also, the "it can't overclock" is FUD, yeah they cap out at 4ghz, 4.2ghz with water cooling
Nice lies amd shill.
https://youtu.be/I71ov8iiDP8?t=81

>>59664515
im sure you are right about this just like you are right about this>>59669500

>>59669500
I think this guy gets a kick from acting retarded and spewing garbage over this board, either that or there are 10 people using that trip and none is aware what kind of reputation they have on /g/

>>59669508
that was a really useless time to link and silicon lottery contradicts you

>>59666464
>Haswell beats Skylake and Kabylake
>it's still valid
Okay schlomo

>>59669530
I gave you the whole video without the ads in the start where the guy says go here and bla bla bla. Shut up and watch the vid you muppet.

>silicon lottery contradicts you
Maybe elaborate your fucking point instead of just spamming out buzzwords.

>>59663072
Depends on use case.

Multithreaded cpu reliant software like DAWS running cpu intensive vst/vsti will be better on Ryzen.

Single threaded software will be better with a single faster core on the intel. A lot of games are single threaded on the CPU.

Same quandary as... some software will be a lot more usable and faster with a motherboard that handles lots of ram at faster speeds. Some will benefit from a faster network port.
>it's all down to use case

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>>59667976
>Oy vey we have no comeback, better comment about his face

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>>59668014
>>59668458
>>59668907
>post cherry picked ones, leaves out other benchmarks oh ouuuuu

>>59663111
>>59663129
yeah cause we got so much more to talk about...................

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>>59668014
>>59668458
Yeah, why does ryzen have such stable fps

>>59669586
>DX12
BF1 literally has worse performance with DX12 than DX11

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>>59668014
>>59668458
>So, like, how is that ryzen always has smooth frame rate

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>>59668014
>>59668458
>Ryzen stable framerate incoming

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>>59668014
>>59668458
I dunno guys, every benchmark I saw shows that ryzen has superior "smoothness"

>>59669552
>Ryzen 7 1700
93% reach 3.8GHz @ 1.376V
70% reach 3.9GHz @ 1.408V
20% reach 4.0GHz @ 1.440V

>Ryzen 7 1700X
100% reach 3.8GHz @ 1.360V
77% reach 3.9GHz @ 1.392V
33% reach 4.0GHz @ 1.424V

>Ryzen 7 1800X
100% reach 3.8GHz
97% reach 3.9GHz @ 1.376V
67% reach 4.0GHz @ 1.408V
20% reach 4.1GHz @ 1.440V


All on air

>>59669586
>>59669592
>>59669602
>>59669610
>>59669617
The average framerate and minimum framerate are always closer on ryzen than intel.

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>>59669602
>Mar 7 first instance of this image

Adorable.
Here's something even older for you.

>>59669635
>If CPU 1 has frame rate vary between 30 and 35 it is more smooth than
>if CPU 2 frame rate that varies between 100-140
This is AMD fags logic.
It doesn't matter if the framerate is higher even in the minimums, as long as the framerate is not apart by much its "smooth" to amd shills, no matter the framerates

>>59669650
30-35 is objectively a more consistent framerate than 100-140. Are you fucking retarded or an intel shit?

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>>59669586
>>59669592
>>59669602
>>59669610
>>59669617
>look at review methodology
>2133mhz RAM

>>59669649
Go ahead then, post current frametimes form multiple games and sites(that aren't GPU bottlenecked)

>>59663072
GET YOUR R5 TODAY!

https://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=9SIA2F85G25908&ignorebbr=1&nm_mc=KNC-GoogleMKP-PC&cm_mmc=KNC-GoogleMKP-PC-_-pla-_-Processors+-+Desktops-_-9SIA2F85G25908&gclid=CjwKEAjw_PfGBRDW_sutqMbQsmMSJAAMpUapS8NPn-AA02AC1kiwRNqac-IRrncNbs84jYKkExSorBoCU9fw_wcB&gclsrc=aw.ds

>>59669666
That's the best methodology.

>2133MHz memory
>ASUS mobo without updates

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>>59669663
>30-35 is objectively a more consistent framerate than 100-140

>>59668771
>It actually runs at the RAMs raw rate, ie "2133mhz" actually makes the interconnect run at 1066mhz, and "3200mhz" at 1600mhz
You realize all DDR4 rams RAW rate is 2133 that is the base speed that all DDR4 has unless you overclock it? The RAMs that have higher ones are usually stock overclocks.

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>>59669714

>>59663403
Just ordered a RX 470 8GB, feel free to laugh at me if you want to. :D

While laughing you could consider that I don't play games, ever, and that my Radeon 7850 is mostly fine except that I sometimes run out of GPU memory (that 7850 has 2GB). TDP/power-draw is the only reason I didn't grab the rx480.

>>59669628
>Also, the "it can't overclock" is FUD, yeah they cap out at 4ghz, 4.2ghz with water cooling
>post a video that shows that even with water cooling they can't get the 1800x to 4.2
And your response is to point out that 20% of the 1800X reaches 4.1
Yeah, thanks pal, for proving my fucking point.

>>59669718
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/DDR4_SDRAM#Modules
sure bud

>>59669727
>3 times the frame rate
>not more consistent
You are a fucking retarded AMDrone.

Ryzen is a good AMD part. If you want AMD, buy it. If not, get the i7. It's pretty simple.

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>>59669741
4.1 on air

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>>59669747

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>>59669663
Holy shit. I didn't think you would be this retarded, but then again I never expected you to have any logic or reason, you only have to shill your product.

>>59669753
Yeah, and 4.1 with watercooling as well.
You can't get it to 4.2 with watercooling.

>>59669769
30-35 is more consistent than 100-140 you butthurt intel shill.

>>59669769
>a 40 fps variance is more consistent than a 5 fps variance
You are a legitimate retard m8.

>>59669274
Except shills refuse to accept that AMD failed, again, because they continually fail to surpass Intel or Nvidia in any meaning/significant way. So with Ryzen they've basically caught up with Intel to where game performance is worse than Intel (for a higher price) and productivity performance is about equal (for a lower price) to Intel. (I should also point out that all Intel would have to do is lower the price of their high end cpu and it would take away ANY reason to buy an AMD Ryzen cpu) But that's a failure because AMD needed to soundly beat Intel on both fronts, and it couldn't even do that despite going up against older Intel chips. 6 years and this is the best AMD could come up with? Intel wasn't even competing with them anymore and they still have much better products, AMD is pathetic. Intel will be releasing new chips soon and I have no doubt they will utterly destroy Ryzen.

>>59663350
>4c8t are only the norm because it is safe for Intel
I hope AMD will bring their prices down further and force Intel to finally stop this 4c8t consumer-chip game.

Few people are aware of this but Intel has actually offered 24c48t chips for years and years. Intels latest are 32c/64t, http://www.eteknix.com/32-core-64-thread-intel-cpu-in-geekbench/

One small "problem" with these Intel chips is that they are prices totally outrageously. I'm not about to pay the price of a luxury car for a CPU.

It's not like Intel couldn't offered a 16c32t chip as the high-end for 1151 boards, they just don't because they know they can force those who want that many cores/threads to buy their more expensive platform and milk the market.

>>59664515
>Not for personal use.
>Moar cores was a joke
I disagree, but I'm a GNU/Linux user. Most of the time all the cores on my system are idle, doing nothing. When I actually use them it's for things like video encoding and compiling. Guess what, those tasks fire up all the cores and keep all cores at full load until the task is done. All I personally care about is the total performance of all the cores. I really don't care if I use a system with 2 cores or 4 cores with half the performance, not even a little, because it doesn't matter if the time it takes to compile something is the same.

Honestly, I don't really get why it's even worth debating if more cores are better than fewer cores. Every single thing that loads the CPU for more than a few seconds have utilized all cores for close to a decade. Yes, I know Windows is way behind, but I don't use that so I don't care.

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>>59669825
>this happy to take the jew cock

>>59669825
Keep thinking this, meanwhile intel is about to have a very bad year for the server market, and that's where all of the money is.

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>>59669863
The vast majority of the CPU market is literally gamers/casuals and this is where Ryzen suffers the most.

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>>59664831
>Going from 2133mhz RAM to 3200mhz RAM on average will improve performance
Too bad most motherboard's don't even post with RAM speeds above 2400mhz.

A system that requires high RAM speeds to perform well is flawed and a system with this requirement that just doesn't work with high RAM speeds is very flawed.

Those who deny this are flat-earthers, denying the simple truth.

>>59665034
he talks like a fag too
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=B_obeR1OIm8

>>59664515
>Not for personal use.
>Moar cores was a joke a few years ago and its still a joke now.
Do you mind developing more on the subject ?
In the past programs weren't that multi threaded, but nowadays it seems we are needing more and more threads.

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>>59669883
(You)

>>59669883
>What are servers and supercomputers

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>>59669883
the fuck am I reading here

>servers don't exist

>>59669891
nah all boards are fine with 3200mhz long as it's samsung single rank memory chips, a few boards will push 3600mhz and I've seen one fucker hit 3733mhz

>>59669902
>a single meme benchmark where Ryzen doesn't suck balls invalidates the dozens of other ones that prove otherwise

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>>59669891
Oh my god, be a bit more subtle.
>>59669883
More (You)s
Enjoy your FPS in the 10's

>>59669917
Don't bother, he just regurgitates anything he hears. I have an AB350 and was able to push 3200 from the XMP profile alone and that was close to two weeks ago now.

>>59663072
They are neck and neck. Get the one with the most cores for the money.

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>>59669937
(
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>>59669940
Nice minimums. Seem totally legit and not rigged against the 7700k.

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>>59669958
>still posting the same shitty source
Even your idol joker with his fake benchmarks showed that Ryzen gets beaten at gaming in the huge majority of cases.

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>>59669958
1440P Because 1080p they all reach the max 200FPS

>>59669965
>linus rigging against Intel
Nigger I would love to see the day

>>59669985
>it's only fake if its doesn't support my narrative
Gotcha famalam

>>59669500
Jep https://www.guru3d.com/news-story/intel-skylake-processors-crash-at-specific-prime-number-calculations.html

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>>59665090
>Cooler Master products
Worst products ever, doesn't really matter if someone who says this is critical or not.

Specifically, I have two cooler master cabinets. The fans that came with them were really noisy, I can honestly say that they are the loudest annoying fans I've ever had. And the worst part about them were actually not the sound of the blades spinning but some odd high-pitched noise from the motor area that no other fans have.

I also have one cooler master PSU. There are no sleeves on the cables, all the individual power cables for SATA and molex connectors are barely tied together with some bits of plastic. This wasn't obvious from the pictures on the site I ordered it from.. but when you actually hold a Cooler Master PSU in your hand you immediately know it's cheap garbage. And this too makes a wierd hissing noise.

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>>59669917
>fine with 3200mhz long as it's samsung single rank memory chips
Again, that's a big flaw. If I can't just grab any 3200mhz kit and use it without a hitch then that's a flaw.

There is no point in trying to claim that something is good because it might work with some rare combination of motherboard and RAM. It's plain obvious that this is totally flawed. Pretending it's not is just digging a deep, deep grave for yourself. Keep digging and you'll be covered in dirt.

>>59664884
Dota 2 also got a threading update that boosts it by 30%.

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>>59670084
Like i said here, I randomly grabbed some ram and it worked, stop regurgitating FUD

There is no RAM problem. Youtubers have been paid by intel to bench with 2133-2166 and lie about why. But keep falling for the jewish meme.

>>59670103
Proofs now

>>59663350
Anandtech is wrong though.
https://gist.github.com/rygorous/6ce04569f213f3dc987b9274cdd677c8
They don't know what they're talking about.
This guy making this gist is a performance expert working in videogames. He's very intimate with the low level details of CPU and GPU. He's written a detailing blog series about the GPU pipeline he's allowed to disclose.

I know none of you care because you're just consumer's looking to stroke your cockextenders but it sickens me when they get to pretend they aren't shit at this.

>>59670106
>Youtubers have been paid by intel to bench with 2133-2166 and lie about why
you people are so fucking delusional

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>>59664515
Fucking hell Jordan. You're not even hiding that you're an Intel shill anymore.

We need to remove your site (logicalincrements) from the sticky desu.

>>59670115
http://www.dota2.com/news/updates/28296/

It only makes sense that Ryzen feels a little more smooth because there are more cores to help handle the underlying botnet in Windows while it is encrypting your data to send across the Internet.

>>59667446
Kill yourself.

>>59670133
>believing the jewish propaganda from intel like they wouldn't pull a stunt like that
you people are so fucking delusional

>>59670115
>>59670186
https://community.amd.com/community/gaming/blog/2017/03/30/amd-ryzen-community-update-2
They tested it with 2933MHz RAM instead of 3600

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>>59664526
AMD: Just Wait™

>>59669586
You don't know how to read graphs outside of bigger bar = better.. Do you?

>>59670209
Only a retarded Intel shill would be convinced that a 6 FPS difference at 135 FPS is worth it.

>>59670186
Has anyone benched with the update yet?
>>59670208
A single update increased performance by 14%....holy fuck intelkeks will be clasping for anything now.
>>59670209
>day one benches
Yep, just like I said

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>>59670220
>>59670227

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>>59670249
>cant be bothered to click on the link because it would create buyers remorse over his 7700k
Pic related
Quote with it
>"Not bad for some quick wrenching under the hood, and we’re continuing to explore additional optimization opportunities in this title."
QUICK WRENCHING

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>>59669650
Not only are you wrong for thinking he was.
Your example if why you're 'right' is also insanely wrong.
As if you couldn't get more wrong, you attempted using examples in the extreme to prove your point. Which also wrong when trying 'approximate' current gen AMD/Intel CPUs.

>>59663350
HT is garbage and I sure want this fade to go away. Real core is what anybody with a single clue about tech would want.

Also, I don't think you'll get very much optimization for HT as console use actual 8 core.

When I read /g/ it's very clear people have no clue about the nature of HT and non ironically believe it's "moar cores".

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>>59670286
Cry harder insane AMD shill.

>>59670270
See >>59664780
High end Ryzen struggles even against the current i5s to the point it goes like this:
r7s = i5s
r5s = i3s
r3s = pentiums

If this isn't a failure on AMD's part I don't know what it is.

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>>59670302
>he vehemently defends Intel
Does Intel really need you to defend it? Is it really that bad?

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>>59670303
>lying
What did he mean by doing this?

>>59670263
It's tested with a 1070, doesn't count

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>>59670316
>sandnigger benchmark

>>59670326
>an intelfaggot, the epitome of the Jew, hating mudslimes
Checks out

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>>59670326
Does a whitenigger benchmark make it hurt less?

>>59663111
it's a welcome change from the C vs Rust autism showdown

>>59670334
>1070 used to benchmark

Not a real test

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>>59670341
>only data that backs up my narrative is true
Confirmation bias

>>59670334
>pajeets are now white
OK.

>>59670341
He should have tested with 2x 1080Ti SLI at 200x98 with only 6 pixel color

>this started because chaim got triggered by a comment about frametimes

>>59670365
I know right? It's not like the 1070 came out 2-3 years after GTA V and stomps the 980ti that was considered the top of the top for gay memers at the time. Nah, it must be invalid

>>59670303
>>59670303
Shoo shoo stinky shills

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>>59664719
>all these fucking shit benches

The cold hard truth is anyone with a recent intel has no reason to upgrade because its not worth it

Anyone with a FX cpu that refused to throw it away because "muh evil jewtel" should be throwing them away right now for ryzen

>>59670415
>tfw upgrading from a 8320e to a 1600
Will be nice to have a cpu that isn't terrible.

>>59667379
shit was already running great on the 6900K so it's not like they had to spend years trying to make it play nice with eight cores

just need to find where it's fucking up jumping across CCXs or whatever the fuck was happening and solve that

>>59670431
Imagine the shit storm if R7 was an AM3+ compatible chip.

>>59670341
Heads up, it doesn't get better at the high end >>59669940
>the Titan and 1080TI have a 100% increase in Minimum while on the 1800x over the i7

This is from a notorious Intel shill mind you
Enjoy your cinematic experience

>>59670444
Aside from the RAM being a big problem
Intel shills would have been fucking buttblasted

I'm more so waiting for intel to announce that coffeelake will be a new socket.

I can't wait for ryzen 2 with fixed data fabric link.

AMD said the Infinity fabric scales to 512GB/s, so really, what's going on here? The IF in Ryzen is in no way that fast.

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>>59670431
>Will be nice to have a cpu that isn't terrible
Yeah from a shit cpu to an average cpu what an improvement.

>>59670480
No idea what that is. But Zen+ is something to really look forward to.
>AMD promises 40% IPC increase with the release of Zen
>They release Zen and the IPC increase was actually 50%+
Any word what they were aiming for with Zen+?
If I remember right it looked like another 20% from that product graph. (Not a proper chart, but the mapping was accurately detailed from Bulldozer to zen. Shows Zen+)

>>59670504
it probably only scales that high with multiple chips talking to each other like in Naples. A 2P naples system would have 8 chips talking to each other, 4 per socket.

>>59669902
AdoredTV found something interesting about this.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0tfTZjugDeg

>>59670307
>you disagree with my stupidity
>there for you MUST be an intel shill
Once again proving how utterly retarded you are.

>>59670529
>shreks Intel CPUs costing twice as much
>"average"

Keep drinking that kool-aid, shill.

>>59670554
>AdoredTV
Really now

>>59670607
Wendell likes the guy. who am I to judge?

>>59670536
I think they were aiming for +15% on top of whatever Zen did. But with Zen going 12% over its original target, there's no telling what Zen+ will be, especially since its rumored AMD actually had to cut shit out of Zen due to time and transistor budget restraints.

Ryzen's CCX is automated but you need to set the uncore on the 7700K. Since Ryzen defaults to 1T timings, they are comparing 1T vs 2T.
http://www.techspot.com/article/1171-ddr4-4000-mhz-performance/page2.html
outdated benchmark

>>59670560
>i called him out on defending intel's nonsense
>therefore I MUST be on AMD's side
Nice one autismo.

>>59670607
he makes a good point though about cutscene benchmarks without player input

>>59670537
They said that's scaling on Vega, and that wouldn't have much issue using that much bandwidth.

>>59670663
Except I am not defending intel? I am shitting on anybody who is insane enough to think that 30-35fps is more smooth than 100-140 fps.
You being a retard and going "well two can play at this game. No U!" just shows how little you know and how you are desperate to disagree but with nothing to back it up.

>>59670554
Can you sum it up in about 3 sentences or less

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>>59670697
>Except I am not defending intel?
ofcoruse you don't, you just looking out for everyone's best interest! how kind of you, anon, thank you for opening my eyes!

>>59670698
Tomb Raider benchmarks were all done with NVIDIA GPU's, showing Ryzen is behind Intel. When using AMD GPU's, the results are pretty much even for both.

Something wrong with NVIDIA's DX12 drivers.

>>59670697
Nigger, I never made that claim about the 30-35 and 100-140

But there is a larger variance in frame rate if we take into consideration percentages

>>59670722
>Something wrong with NVIDIA's DX12 drivers.
Woah stop the presses Who would have thought that Nvidia had problems with DX12.

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>>59670637
>especially since its rumored AMD actually had to cut shit out of Zen due to time and transistor budget restraints.
I see.
If what you say is true. and they add that stuff back in. With the projected 15% IPC increase.
I will actually throw a party for AMD. I-I might even invite people.

>>59670722
Really weird nobody noticed that before but makes sense given that it might be optimized for Intel only on low level instruction level

>>59670733
>Who would have thought that Nvidia had problems with DX12
not the press if we look at the gpu picks for benchmark systems.

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>>59670734
You better invite amada

>>59670722
This, I think it's kinda fishy that literally all Intel vs Ryzen benchmarks have been on Nvidia GPUs.

>>59670734
There's also a fairly decent probability that Zen+ will have fixed Zen's clocking issues or will be on a node that allows faster clocking w/o a significant power penalty, as right now that's Zen's schitck: very very good Perf/watt

Dude intel shill will always show u release tests current tests shows ryzen does much better with high freq memory

>>59670749
One A has been donated to your Nvidia Sync account.

>>59670757
>intel and Nvidia team up to fuck over AMD
Wouldn't be surprised

>>59670748
>it might be optimized for Intel only on low level instruction level
intel also gains using AMD gpu.

>>59670765
I hope Zen+ also fixes the Infinity Fabric

>>59670719
If the results were reversed I would be "defending" AMD by your logic.
But thats the thing isn't it. You don't care about performance for you it's "Support this company or support this other company"
Price matters, performance matters. I don't give a shit about fanboys being loyal and supporting their favorite company.

>>59670723
>But there is a larger variance in frame rate if we take into consideration percentages
Larger variance in high framerate is smoother than smaller variance in low framerate, you do understand that right?
If one cpu gives 200 min and dips into 500 or 1000 fps I would not give a flying fuck.

>>59670757
Not really. AMD does not have anything that can compete with the 1070 and 1080. Makes sense to use the best gpus available. They just aren't taking in to consideration AMD has better support for DX12.

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>>59670125
Why should I trust an unverified guy on github over the most established, professional, and respected tech-journalists? I'm not saying that anandtech is infallible, but you must know how ridiculous this sounds.

>>59670785
>If one cpu gives 200 min and dips into 500 or 1000 fps I would not give a flying fuck.
>you wouldnt be able to see an 800FPS drop
WEW LAD
you are blind and your logic is also flawed.

Maybe from 30-35 compared to 100-105 its a smoother. But like I already said, I did the math.

learn to math autismo

>>59670748
asked this question about dx12 results day 1, was ignored.

>>59670772
I don't think RTG discriminates Intel given that most Radeon buyers are Intel owners. Nvidia doesn't have any incentive to optimize for AMD cpus

>>59664578
That i/o wait lol. You cab do this on a pentium 3. Your CPU is not the bottleneck retard.

>>59670819
>WEW LAD autismo
>you are blind and worng
>Maybe if X and then but clearly Y
>learn to shitpost autismo
I think I figured out your shitposting guideline, you can ask your boss to hand you a new one at the end of the week.

>>59670828
>Nvidia doesn't have any incentive to optimize for AMD cpus
Vega will show what's really going on with Nvidia+AMD systems

>>59670697
>I am shitting on anybody who is insane enough to think that 30-35fps is more smooth than 100-140 fps.
Literally nobody said this.

>>59670849
>Literally nobody said this.
Literally the posts were in this thread and 2 screen caps. >>59670302

Look I understand you are just here to shill damage control, so I shouldn't expect you to read any of the posts in the actual thread.
But would it be too much to ask to kill yourself?

>>59670890
Seriously retard buy a fucking dictionary. Stable and consistent were said. Smoothness was never mentioned.

>>59670722
>When using AMD GPU's, the results are pretty much even for both.
You mean when using a weak AMD GPU and bottlenecking the CPU you get similar results on both ryzen and intel. Wow tell me more.
It's almost as if, almost as if when you use an actually powerful GPU like the 1080ti or titan XP then you are no longer GPU bound at 1080rez and actuall CPU performance comes into play.

>>59670912
>crossfire rx480s
>gives titan x performance
>hurr durrr gpu bottleneck
watch the video, then try to shill.

>>59670935
>crossfire rx480s
>gives titan x performance
Do you have proof to back that up?

>>59670948
>Do you have proof to back that up?
the god damn video.

>>59670912
Rx 480 crossfire is not a bottleneck there because Intel is still getting better results than Ryzen.

>>59670847
Okay faggot, I'll do the math for you
140-100=40
40/140= .286 (otherwise, a 28.6% difference)

35-30=5
5/35=.143 (otherwise, a 14.3% difference)

Now tell me, which is more noticeable; a 14% difference, or a 28% difference?

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>>59663072

AMD got so hard btfo, that they can't into reality anymore. I wonder how they still believe that Ryzen performs better, it costs more than the top line Intel CPU, worse performance, more watt usage, even in their homebenchmark AoS AMD is total shit. I feel sorry but there is a reason Intel is dominating for years and I hope that we will get new global players in the next years, let's hope companies like Samsung or other big tech giants will get into CPUs.

>>59670981
>launch results
>ddr4 2400
INTO THE TRASH RECEPTACLE

>>59670963
the god damn video.
Show me the video(and if you are so kind link the time where and when) that proves that crossfire rx480s give titan x performance

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>>59670981
Isn't this the game that got a patch improving performance by 30% like, yesterday?

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>>59671009
N-no Goyim! Ignore this and buy Intels CPJEW!

>>59671009
Yep, the benchmarks with the improving performance patch, and AMD still gets completly whiped out.

It's pathetic at this point, but the poor fa/g/gots of this board will defend it, poor people have no choice after all.

>>59670998
are you a little retarded? follow the posts. you'll find the video. see the crossfire's fps.

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>>59671031
?

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>>59670996
>>59671009
>>59671022
It says "Ryzen-patch" retards. That already is the patched game.

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>>59671038
I wait for proof. You are the one making bold and retarded claims, I wait for you to prove it.

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>>59671031
>let me just admit my jewness and then lie about the performance of the new one without showing it
>>59671053
>Let me just act like this never happened
YOU
YOU
YOU
I CAN'T HELP BUT GIVE IT TO YOU

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>>59671065
>amdtards genuienly shill that xfire 480 equial a titan x

>>59669500
>tfw im in the screenshot

mom didn't actually get my camera :(

I think it's becoming really obvious that someone is being insecure about his intel-nvidia purchase, otherwise, he wouldn't care about other people doing Ryzen builds.

tldr; "Brand Loyalty" is just an excuse to go in a dick measuring contest.

>>59671079
>buttblasted poojeet ignoring results
lmao

>>59671065
https://youtu.be/0tfTZjugDeg?t=12m56s
it gives 144 fps. at the same conditions titan x gives 166.
http://www.eurogamer.net/articles/digitalfoundry-2016-nvidia-titan-x-pascal-review

>>59671125
and adored is not using internal benchmark. he is playing the game.

>>59671108
>2400 as of 3/30
It's like you get paid to shill bullshit benchmarks

>>59670969
Okay faggot, I'll do the basic logic for you.
I drop 1400kg on your body. Then I drop 1000kg on your body.
1400-1000=400
400/1400=.286 (otherwise, a 28.6% difference)

Now I drop 35kg on your body and then 30kg.
35-30=5
5/35=.143 (otherwise, a 14.3% difference)

Now if you are a retarded shill, you would note "but look at the varriance on the 1400kg and 1000kg"
But if you were actually smart enough to apply any kind of human logic and common sense to it. You would fucking realize that you would not GIVE A FLYING FUCK if 1 ton or 1.4 tons lands on your body because both will squash your body exactly the same.

In the same fucking manner anybody who fucking plays games will literally laugh at the fact you think 35-30fps is more smooth and better for gameplay than 100-140 frames.

>>59671172
>talking about framerates
>opens with body weight
Dropped right there

>>59671053
> shown 30 percent increase
>suddenly not
You are maximum shill, look here>>59671051

>>59671172
Kek. This fucking autist just refuses to admit he is wrong and continues to beat on that strawman

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>>59671125
You can't make this shit up.

>>59671184
>doesn't know how to sage
God we really are being invaded by redditshills

>>59671229
>he ignores DX12
cool bro, good to know you are a shill as well

>>59663072
>So what's the real story about Ryzen vs current i7s?

shills will fight to the death about it but the real truth is that 7700k is better than ryzen 1800x on average for gaming and the 1800x is better than the 7700k on average for production use.

buy one according to your specific needs.

i'm personally looking to get a 7700k to pair with a 1080p 144hz monitor.

>>59671136
This
Seriously. Even if it didn't have an inbuilt bench. How fucking hard can it be set up a bot to play the the fucking thing for benching.
These cunts are meant to be handy with computers for fucks sake.

>>59671251
they're not. They just like to outbling everyone with RGB it's stupid.

>>59671240
>I dont
I forgot to take that off when I was saging a bait thread. I felt it'd be a little too blatant to mention I Saged the thread in the comment, so I went with a trip.

But I do also visit reddit :^)
Almost as many shills as 4chan
Almost

>>59671229
that's 1070. I am talking about titan xp.
you can see it from here: https://youtu.be/0yrkky6zZQo?t=2m42s

don't be dumb.

>>59670536
>No idea what that is
Design defect of ryzen processors, making the perf drop when threads are moved from one CCX to the other.
AMD expects everybody to make their software with this defect in mind, but it won't happen.

>>59671263
Here.
https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCrwObTfqv8u1KO7Fgk-FXHQ
This kid? Blows most if not all of them out the water.
I normally don't 'shill' tubers, but he's very relevant too your collective interest.
He makes Frankenstein's monster cards. Most modification I've seen from everyone else is a water cooler, or cutting a tab off.

>>59671092
it's same guy, he was on vacation last week it seems
/g/ is not worth more than one shill to pay

>>59671244
I am not going to insult your intelligence by pretending you are posts are serious.

>>59671265
just go and stay go.

>>59671274
>makes a bold claim
>where is proof, link me the video and time of the "proof"
>gives me a video where there is 2 480x vs an 1070
>that's 1070. I am talking about titan xp.
Yes that's exactly my point you fucktard a 1070 is not a titan xp. and 480x is no where near a titan xp.

But please, go ahead try to damage control this.

>>59671315
https://youtu.be/Rhj6CvBnwNk?t=5m21s
That actually doesn't make much of a difference.

>>59671339
>just go and stay go.
Never. I will stay and shit up your board and there is nothing you can do about it.

We are the internet equivalent of immigrants that /pol/ has warned you about

>>59663072
just trust true journalists who explain their testing methodology and test in several different ways with several different components. Don't trust the "benchmark boys" e.g:

>salazar studio
>jayztwocents
>tech showdown
>tech of tomorrow
>linus tech tips

The rule of thumb is if they only tested a game with a single hardware setup, in a single location or worse used the in-game benchmark then their results are just arbitrary and meaningless because different parts of a game favour different hardware configurations. Also if they have music playing in the background of a benchmark slideshow then fucking drop them asap.

From what I've seen, the 7700k is barely better than ryzen in gaming if you get fast ram working. the difference seems to be mostly software bound however so expect ryzen to improve.

At the end of the day 4 cores with 7% ipc advantage isn't better than 8 cores and this will show as developers start to opitimize for ryzen.

>>59670554
So it's the Nvidia drivers after all. This makes me realize that there hasn't been any testing done with Ryzen on the Fury X. I wonder how much it would close gap between AMD's and Intel's CPUs? It will be pretty interesting how Vega will perform with a Ryzen setup also.

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>>59671349
>Hardware Unboxed

>>59671339
I didn't say adored tested xfire against titan xp. I knew how titan xp performed, I showed you in the in an other video how it performed. you don't say anything about it but screech about his 1070 which is very irrelevant here but to show nvidia's bad drivers.
please continue.

>>59671400
You already saw what two 480's do and it closes the gap and gives an advantage to AMD.

literally no amount of damage control will ever convince me ryzen is good for games. the fact you people are trying so hard shows that you're not even convinced yourselves and have to write long essays for other people to build your own acceptance.

>>59670981
The 6900k giving those results in comparison to the 7700k seems pretty weird

>>59671412
>I showed you in the in an other video how it performed
I know how a titan xp performs. And it's no where close to the crossfire 480x as you claim.
But suddenly when you literally GTFO by your own proof you are trying to move the goalposts and shift attention to "we-well I was talking about something completely else"
Fuck off.

>>59671438
Have fun sucking Intel cock for the rest of you're life, goodbye.

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>>59670554
>two rx 480's about 5% better than a single 1070
>also more expensive

god i love my 1070. i would have paid full price for it if i didn't get it for free.

>>59671349
The problem appears in certain situation. Also, moving threads is a good thing mostly for temperature by evening load on all cores (we don't give a shit in a gaming context). But the design defect exists, and AMD can't do nothing against it except telling software makers to adapt to their design by fixing threads on the same CCX. They'll probably fix it in ryzen2.

On another matter, I don't think HT is good. If I bought a ryzen proc, I'd probably get a 8c and deactivate HT (which creates a lot of cons regarding CPU cache and data trashing). I think CPU makers are wrong going the HT way, it only gives a perf boost in certain contexts like heavy calculations. People believe HT on a core makes it 2 cores, but it's certainly not the case. It gives a slight boost to calculations but it's useless in most scenarios. But in the end, your core is the same except it has a unit that deals with threads to boost perfs in very parallelized tasks.

>>59671457
>accepting the truth
>sucking cock

you're the one sucking cock by being in constant denial, my friend.

>>59671412
A 1070 makes testing GPU-bound and not not really representative of a CPU's performance. It's literally irrelevant for CPU benchmarking which is why most renowned tech reviewers use stronger GPUs like the 1080 and Titan X, since they give results that better represent reality. What about this is so difficult to understand?

>>59671475
I'm not in constant denial, because I keep looking at the products of both companies.
You on the other hand..
>literally no amount of damage control will ever convince me
So you are saying that you will not look at AMD again, ready to receive your Intel master.

>>59671448
in this game, they are close. We are talking about adored findings. you autisticly stuck upon his 1070, and go "lalalalalala, i don't hear you, lalalala"
you fuck off.
>>59671462
that card nearly performs as an 1080 after all that overclock
>>59671479
we are not talking about how 1070 create bottlenecks, we talk about nvidia drivers in this particular case. and that's why I was surprised xfire performance.

>>59671462
>two rx 480's about 5% better than a single 1070
>also more expensive
That's the theme of AMD.
It's all price performance until you want to get good performance.
Then suddenly AMD tards don't mind buying a 500$ 1800x cpu to be behind the 7700k CPU which costs 350$. They don't mind buying expensive high speed RAM to still be behind 7700k with achieves it's performance with even the basic RAM.
No this is when the AMD shills narrative switches to "What are you a poor fag, just buy all this shit so you can get kinda close to the 7700k performance"

They are either shills who literally have been payed to push the narrative of "amd is great" or fanboys in denial. Never expect them to hold and kind of opinion unless that opinion makes amd look good in some way.

>>59671524
>I'll lie to myself
Okay Intel

>>59671512
>in this game, they are close.

>crossfire 480x has the same performance as titan xp
>gets BTFO
>w-well in this specific game crossfire 480x has the same performance as titan xp
Oh god you are retarded and desperate.

>>59671557
>he's so mad he can't even list the name correctly
NVIDIOTS BTFO

>>59671579
Perhaps you need visual help.
>>59671229
>>59671065

>>59671557
you are literally retarded, we were always talking about rise of the tomb raider, not any other game, the video is about the rise of the tomb raider, not any other game.
go be autistic somewhere else.

>>59671508
so you're not in constant denial despite 95% of all benchmarks on the net showing ryzen is a massive flop for the majority of games at 1080p?

are you going to tell me that it's all a lie and conspiracy next? at least follow the narrative if you do.

>>59671597
>HE DOESN'T KNOW WHAT GPU HE'S TALKING ABOUT
TOP KEKERONI
NVIDIRITOS!

>>59671601
>makes a bold claim
>gets blown the fuck out
>with visual proof to boot
>w-well we are talking about in this game
I realize you are desperate, but when you don't even read any of your own proof, or your opposition proof, why even post?
I mean if all you want to do is deny reality then quit the internet and believe what you always wanted to believe.

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>>59671606
>launch benches

>>59671524
m8 i was in a thread just like this the other day where some colossal faggot shill kept going on about why i should buy a rx 480 over a 1060 and he kept pointing out that the rx 480 is cheaper, that's till i told him and showed him the gtx 1060 is cheaper and he changed the whole narrative around and said buy the rx 480 because it's more of a premium product and you're paying more for the extra dx12 performance.

i was like wtf. i got a 1070 in the end anyway. these shills are seriously brain dead and most of them seem to be amd shills, on this board anyway.

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>>59671622
>make a bold claim
>I ask you for proof
>gives me a video of a crossfire 480 in comparison to 1070 as proof.
>post visual proof that you are a retard
>FULL DAMAGE CONTROL
>n-no it's you who can't read!
Don't kill yourself over this kek

>>59671606
The synthetic benchmarks say enough, Ryzen is close to or at Intels level. Why would it suck at just one thing (gaming)? That doesn't make any sense. Couple that with the BIOS, memory and scheduler issues and yes, that means you do not know the full picture out of the gate.