/fglt/ - Friendly GNU/Linux Thread

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>>59650666(checked)

>>59650702
literally me

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>>59650666
>Not putting Guix or GuixSD in the general

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>>59650750

how do you pronounce GNU/Linux?
>GNU Linux
or
>GNU slash linux

>>59650762
Both are acceptable. I've recently taken to calling it GNU plus Linux.

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>>59650761
Even that link isn't in the general either

You are fired

>>59650666
Checked.
>>59650762
Although "GNU/Linux" /ɡəˈnuː slæʃ ˈlJnəks/ is often pronounced without the slash, Stallman recommends explicitly saying the word "slash" or "plus" in order to avoid the mistaken suggestion that the Linux kernel itself is a GNU package, as is the case with GNU Linux-libre.

>>59650761
>Guix
>pronounced "geeks"
huh

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>>59650790
>>59650750
Friendly reminder that the OP is pushing the character limit already.

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>>59650666
Very nice.

>>59650794
>nonfree pronunciation
what the fuck is this shit

>>59650828
>recommends

>>59650841
Then I """recommend""" that Stallman try to avoid prescribing user behavior under banner of 'software freedom'.

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I hope you're always ready to do the interjection, /g/.

Me, well, I personally have a keyboard shortcut ($mod+i) that instantly loads up the pasta into my clipboard.
All I have to do then is press the middle mouse button to paste it.
Here's the command if anyone's interested

cat ~/path/to/nterjection | xclip -i

and if you want to use Ctrl+v instead for some reason

cat ~/path/to/interjection | xclip -i -selection clipboard

If you leave out the `-selection` flag, it defaults to the primary clipboard (the one you paste from with the middle mouse button).

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>>59650811
Remove all this noise add more signal

>Users of all levels are welcome to ask questions about GNU/Linux and share their experiences.
>*** Please be civil, notice the "Friendly" in every Friendly GNU/Linux Thread ***
>Before asking for help, please check our list of resources.
>If you would like to try out GNU/Linux you can do one of the following:
>0) Install a GNU/Linux distribution of your choice in a Virtual Machine.
>1) Use a live image and to boot directly into the GNU/Linux distribution without installing anything.
>2) Dual boot the GNU/Linux distribution of your choice along with Windows or macOS.
>3) Go balls deep and replace everything with GNU/Linux.
>Resources:
>Your friendly neighborhood search engine (try to use a search engine that respects your privacy such as searx, ixquick or startpage).

Add http://libgen.io/book/index.php?md5=34644EC79F8FBE33A06AFB3BE5E3ABD0

Add this which explains exactly what Guix/GuixSD is http://dustycloud.org/misc/talks/guix/chicagolug_2015/guix_talk.html

>>59650875
>Add this which explains exactly what Guix/GuixSD
Why are you so obsessed with Guix dude? It has no place in the OP and the greentext you provided is the most important part of the OP.

>>59650872
I'm always ready.

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>>59650794
>>59650828
>>59650841
>>59650870
I was about to say that only autists and Jews care so much about semantics, but then I remembered Stallman is both.

>>59650903
The green text is a pile of noise nobody reads or cares about, they'll still ask questions in here anyway without searching and you're inviting dual boot questions and winfags to fill the thread with their idiocy. This is 4chan not /r/ganoo

>Why obsessed with Guix
It's literally the future of FSF, they are all working on it as the new flagship OS and functional pkg managers completely subsume all previous century package mgrs. https://fosdem.org/2017/schedule/event/futureofguix/

>>59650939
If you think it's about semantics, you should really check the history of GNU and Linux. I recommend watching "Revolution OS". It's a pretty interesting watch.

>>59650915
>>59650854

samefag

>>59650939
>le jewish tricks meme
brainlet spotted

>>59650981
nobody cares

>>59650981
>>59650997
samefag

>>59650960
It's be a thing right after hurd, right?

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>>59650960
>You could taint things with nonfree software, but the base will always be pure
I'm surprised that they are an FSF approved software with this kind of language. I will be emailing Richard about this. If these are the standards might as well approve Debian and a host of other distributions of GNU plus Linux that don't have non free packages by default.

>>59650960
>1.3 Motivations

>1.3.1 Has this ever happened to you?

>My system failed mid-upgrade and now it's BORKED
>Oh no I thought this upgrade was okay but now it isn't
>My server is a special snowflake and I have no idea how to reproduce or replace it
>This deployment system has a turing tarpit of custom config languages (I've fallen and I can't get out!)
KEK. There motivations aren't even an issue for most distros and 99.9% of users. What are they doing that's unique again? What a joke.

>>59651168
You can always put non-free software on free software, no way to prevent it.

First time Linux user here.

Just installed Arch and was wondering if you had any desktop environments to recommend.
I already tried Plasma 5 but it the browser always crashed when I opened a website, and if I tried to many times the whole things freezes and I have to shutdown my PC.

idk if this is for linux general but here it goes:
I'm trying to download all video descriptions of all videos from a youtube channel, together with titles.
I've managed to figure out this so far:

 youtube-dl --write-description --auto-number --skip-download --verbose <channelURL> 

however it doesn't write the video name and only first 100chars or so of the descriptions are written down in files. Ideally it would write descriptions fully and name the file with the name of a video.
Right now the filenames are 01234-URL.description

>>59651234
install gentoo

>>59651234
xfce is simple and works fast. i would recommend that.

>>59651233
>You can always put non-free software on free software, no way to prevent it.
NO SHIT. That's not the point. Why do you think there are only 9 FSF approved distros when there are many distros that ARE libre that aren't on the list?

>>59651271
Ehh their website doesn't do it much justice. I want something more modern. I plan on making Linux my primary operating system.

>>59651197
Allow me to shill

If anybody here actually knew of the FSF manifesto instead of just being larpers or shilling memes they'd know the orig plan of Stallman was to remove the systems administrator, so the regular, unpriv'd user can fully install and uninstall programs themselves without some arbitrary authority getting involved. That's where Guix came in, after (in true GNU fashion) they cloned it from NixOS to make a free version.

It also satisfies the FSF manifesto of a totally distributed packaging system w/reproducible builds, so you can get a copy of a package from anywhere, and instantly verify it is correct. No more GPG sigs or centralizes repositories.

It also replaced Docker, and other such containers or developer environments like RVM or Gem/Bundler or Virtualenv ect because you have complete dependency tracking. Dpkg/yum/pacman can install all build-time and runtime dependencies, but it cannot do unprivileged package installation to isolated user environments. And none of them can precisely describe the full dependency graph (all the way down to the C compiler’s compiler) but Guix can.

>>59651289
well, xfce is as pretty as you make it, just install numix, arc and stuff and it will look modern.

outofbox modern would probably be KDE or gnome, both quite resource heavy. Try out gnome, maybe you'll like it but I personally cannot recommend it (looks like shit imo).

those are basically the easy options, else you could try go the autist route with ricing and tiling wms

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>>59651289
>I want something more modern. I plan on making Linux my primary operating system.

What's 'not modern' about Xfce?

DE isn't that important anyways, nothing stopping you from installing multiple DEs and using whatever you're in the mood for. Also GNOME is probably considered the most modern. Still can't understand how you had trouble with KDE though. You'll probably run into trouble with others too. Seems like you fucked something up tbqh.

>>59651295
And replaced systemd, GNU dmd/initrd is written in scheme, giving access to all of the features and libraries that guile has

so
- scheme init
- scheme system provisioning down to the checksum and state of the system
- scheme package manager

All have open APIs allowing for advanced symbolic meta-linguistic abstraction of servers which means your entire server or desktop (or hundreds of thousands of servers) can now be a function called in a program, controlling it's whole state and everything. That's crazy

>>59651295
>>59651537
How is any of this useful or different for an average PC user?

>>59651648
>average PC user
Whoops! Looks like you took a wrong turn, friendo. Please try AOL keyword COMPUTERS for all the latest tech-savvy trends, news, and tips!

>>59650872

>-i
You don't need that, read the manpage or -h output.

>>59651234

Your browser has nothing to do with the environment.
There is a list of environment in the Arch Wiki.

>>59651289

>judging something based off a website and not the product itself
>using he "modern" buzzword

Maybe someone would help you if you weren't such a pretentious idiot.

>>59651690
What the fuck is your problem? It's a reasonable question. Considering that you're employing fallacies it's obvious that there is no real compelling reason to use Guix. All you have is a bunch of buzzwords that don't actually amount to anything.

>>59651750
>>59640841

>>59651768
You're in the wrong thread buddy. We're friendly around here. Go away.

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>>59651295
>>59651648
>>59651690
>>59651750
>>59651768
I was actually gaining interest in Guix until this little fiasco played itself out.

>>59651798
Oh OK, maybe somebody else will kindly provide an answer to your question, friend.
>>59651847
Better luck next time.

>>59651847
>I let shitposting influence my real life decisions
awesome, glad to hear it, welcome

>>59651980
>implying that this isn't real life
Don't fallacy me bro

When I open a pdf in Ubuntu half the pages are scrambled. Works fine in windows....

halp

>>59652055
youare pdf is broken
consult your professor

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>>59652012

>>59652055
use GIMP, easily the best pdf viewer on gnu/linux

Is there an email client which.

>would have a simple ncurses or similar interface (run in my terminal)
>allows me to write messages using my preferred editor (vim)
>isn't some convoluted mess which requires me to set up 10 packages and connect them all together

I checked Alpine and Mutt and they aren't quite what I wanted. I couldn't get Mutt to work (PEBCAK, I know), so I didn't get to the sending part to see which editor it allows me to use.

>>59653327
mutt

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I'm doing a gentoo install on a thinkpad x201 and I fail at making my kernel.

I have compilation errors about wireless when I tried doing the config myself.

I then did

make localyesconfig
make && make modules_install

It compiled and when I finished the install and rebooted, I had graphic issues.

Can some anon that also have a x201 share his .config please?

I'm getting a feeling of failure and consider doing a genkernel.

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I'm using manjaro XFCE, and trying to run again under WINE.
The game run fine but none of the keyboard input get recognized.
Any idea?
The game in question
https://mega.nz/#!hc0TGbSB!oan0msVLzhmC484WpQ6eixTGIri_z1GMkIqjx_WHvGA

>>59650805
i always said "g'wix"

>>59650666
Bring back the news links OP

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>>59650875
>Remove all this noise add more signal

>>59653574
is this a comic dude wearing girl clothes?

Anyone with an xps 15 here? How does Linux run on it? It seems like the best current gen laptop with good Linux support. Because I don't want to mess with proprietary nvidia drivers or optimus, I'll probably just permanently disable the nvidia GPU and use integrated graphics- is that doable?

I can start any display manager, but these in turn cannot start my xsession regardless of whether they're started as root. However, startx works just fine even unprivileged. How2fix? strace doesn't show anything weird, none of the log have any messages (the session just stops and nobody knows why).

>>59654100
the plot thickens: cdm just werks (but has its obvious flaws so I don't want to rely on it), and after closing the session started with cdm, I can use my other DMs without problem.

When is devuan going to come out of beta?

something strange is happening in last few days

when i install something from aur, i cant find it.
i install is with yaourt but shit aint in system.
Just now i install visual-studio-code and i cant find it anywhere, when i search with dmenu nothing shows

>>59654631

pacman -Ql visual-studio-code

>>59653573
>I have compilation errors about wireless when I tried doing the config myself.

Do the config manually yourself, set your wirless module to [M]. If after exiting menuconfig it warns you about blablabla needs CONFIG_SOMETHING=y then enable that option.

>>59654646
it shows a bunch of files but i cant start it like normal program, what should i do?

>>59654646
>>59654631
>using arch

>>59654686
look at the files and think critically

>>59650666
don't do this >>59653707
news links are redundant

>>59654709
lol, fucking niggers changed name to just "code" and thats why i couldt find it

>>59654631
why would you use microsoft crapware?
use vim/emacs if you're a man or atom if you're a manlet

>>59654789
>>59655033
Just use gedit

>>59655155
gedit is nice for taking notes, but for editing text, you need a more powerful tool like vim or emacs

After some years I'm tired of Arch. Fuck it. Wanted to use Void but it's still not mature enough for me. Does debian sid still have most packages?

>>59655248
yup

Question, how do I find the name of the package that I need to install?

Say I want to install KDE, how do I know that the package name is kde-full or kde-desktop?

Is there a way to browse repositories along with package descriptions?

>>59655329
All package managers have a search and package information function.
rtfm

>>59655325
Good. Too bad apt sucks. Guess I'll have to get used to it.

>>59655383
>can't use program X
>program X sucks
nice logic

>>59655397
You're telling me apt's better than xbps and pacman?

>>59655419
You're telling me that you know that apt is bad without even reading it's manuals?

Linux is degenerate communist propaganda and is corrupting the youth. This filth needs to be banned and destroyed.

>>59655383

apt-cache search ^gentoo

>>59655430
You're telling me I don't have any experience with debian-based distros?

>>59655449
Obviously you don't when you aren't even able to search for a package.

>>59655455
>implying I'm not able to search for a package

>>59655440
>gentoo - fully GUI-configurable, two-pane X file manager
lmao

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>>59655437
I'd just like to interject for a moment. What you're referring to as Linux, is in fact, GNU/Linux, or as I've recently taken to calling it, GNU plus Linux. Linux is not an operating system unto itself, but rather another free component of a fully functioning GNU system made useful by the GNU corelibs, shell utilities and vital system components comprising a full OS as defined by POSIX.

Many computer users run a modified version of the GNU system every day, without realizing it. Through a peculiar turn of events, the version of GNU which is widely used today is often called "Linux", and many of its users are not aware that it is basically the GNU system, developed by the GNU Project.

There really is a Linux, and these people are using it, but it is just a part of the system they use. Linux is the kernel: the program in the system that allocates the machine's resources to the other programs that you run. The kernel is an essential part of an operating system, but useless by itself; it can only function in the context of a complete operating system. Linux is normally used in combination with the GNU operating system: the whole system is basically GNU with Linux added, or GNU/Linux. All the so-called "Linux" distributions are really distributions of GNU/Linux.

>>59655383
>Too bad apt sucks.
Why do you say that?

>tfw your friends are too tech illiterate to stop using Skype

>>59655586
It wouldn't need so many fucking front ends if it's good
https://debian-handbook.info/browse/stable/sect.apt-get.html
https://wiki.debian.org/DebianPackageManagement

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What are some cool terminal commands?

>>59651234
>1234
>nice
1. As >>59651729 said, browser performance is not (usually) affected by your DE, and certainly not by kde
2. There are a ton of desktops and wms to choose from, maybe post something with a little more detail as to what you want
3. You need to get that browser issue checked too

>>59655631
>so many
wat

>>59655631
>implying libalpm doesn't have frontends besides pacman
>implying pacman itself doesn't have frontends
>implying frontends are bad for some reason

>>59651289
Give Gnome a shot it looks a lot more modern. That said, with a few simple tweaks so will xfce

>>59655653
mkfs.reiser4 /dev/wife

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Is VM the best and easiest way to run windows application on GNU/Linux?
Even with the latest WINE?

>>59655631
>implying pacman itself isn't a frontend

>>59655653
>#rm -rf /

>>59655586
I want to like it but it's slow. On the same machine up to two or three times slower. It also feels more clumsy.

>>59655710
That depends if you play vidya or not do you? Also, rule of thumb is that older or simpler applications are more likely to work in WINE.

>>59655683
I don't know this looks pretty clean to me
https://wiki.archlinux.org/index.php/Pacman

Compare that to apt-get, aptitude, apt (the most recent one), dpkg, apt-cache which are all listed in the manual.

>>59655653
A friendly one:

telnet towel.blinkenlights.nl

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>>59655752
>vidya
It's metroidvania game, very simple and made with mogura engine.
It runs under wine but the controls doesn't seems to be picked by the game.

What's the best torrent client for GNU/Linux? I've been using Transmission for the past week and it's doing fine, but I feel like there are better options out there.

>>59655759
>dpkg
low level utility for unpacking and installing deb files
>apt-cache
used to interface with apt's internal database, allows you to search packages, see info on packages, etc
>apt-get
utility that downloads packages from the repos and hands them to dpkg
>apt
uses lower level utilities like apt-get and apt-cache and bundles them together, making package management easy and comprehensive
it's what you should use for your daily package management
>aptitude
an ncurses frontend
>synaptic
a gtk frontend

there's a reason those tools are separate and it's called the unix philosophy

>>59655853
rtorrent

>>59655853
use transmission-daemon with stig (an ncurses interface)

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>>59655888
>stig
jesus, I thought I bookmarked it but forgot the name, thanks

>>59651648
>2D thinking

For one, you won't be downloading tons of CDs and junk anymore to install Ganoo. You will download a text file and run 'Guix Deploy'. You will no longer have to read about updating your system and following all these stupid steps in Debian or elsewhere for a dist-upgrade, again it's all managed in one text file.

Bug reports, the entire dependency graph of the user's system down to the compiler dependencies that were used to build their compiler that built the entire operating system, can be sent to developers as just one text file. They take it, put it in Guix Environment and can replicate down to exact checksums your system and find out what the problem is.

When SD is finished, you can abstract the entire system completely and just make (define (my_computer) ..)) which has a million different use cases considering your entire pile of hardware is just data now to be used inside some other program. You could put that program in a remote control even for a normie to control their system like a big flatscreen, totally abstracting away the prehistoric garbage that is running any modern operating system with piles of logins and updates/screens to click, hard to understand UIX ect.

>>59655869
Whatever you say. I hope to God they don't add another one.

apt-get is the first front end — command-line based — which was developed within the project. apt is a second command-line based front end provided by APT which overcomes some design mistakes of apt-get

>>59655900
np

>>59655918
why not try devuan?
debian was better without systemd imo

>>59655936
>imo
elaborate?
what's wrong with systemd?

I'm running iredmail and owncloud on my vps, both use apache
when I go to the root on my website, it goes to the /mail directory, even though there's no such thing in /var/www/
I've looked through the configs and couldn't find anything relating to it, what do I do?

xterm is absolute trash. Is there a terminal that looks good out of the box that doesn't require extensive config to make it look good and is light on resources?

>>59655961
urxvt

>>59655961
>spending 5 minutes pasting things into .Xresources is extensive

>>59655977
>It has to be riced before it is even usable

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>>59655989

>>59656007
If you have to rice it so it's finally usable, it's not good. End of story.

>>59655944
there's plenty of things wrong with it, it's just that when I used debian, it didn't have systemd and that's when I first got into systemd administration
so debian with sysv init is kinda nostalgic to me
debian is a bloody mess rn, because it tries to retain backwards compatibility with sysv init while using systemd
init scripts are really nice because you can easily edit them (unlike systemd source code) and you've got more control than with systemd unit files
systemd kinda takes away the fun, control and freedom

I assumed if you wanted to try void, that you'd like to experience other init systems (which you most definetely should)

>>59655961
configure it you fucking retard

>>59656033
>systemd administration
system* administration

>>59656033
that post is complete bullcrap
i don't even know where to start
just delete your post please

>>59656040
Take a shower you fat fuck

>>59656024
>rice
>literally 20 lines of config
are you incapable of performing simple tasks?

>>59656062
start anywhere you'd like, friend :)

I'm in a netsec class and for a project we have teams that try to hide backdoors on other teams kali boxes.

Is there a command that can show me all files that were manually created or altered in the last 3 days?

The closest I have is find / -type -f -mtime -3

But since the computers updated it lists thousands of files

>>59655948
anyone?

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>>59655944
>what's wrong with systemd
>what's wrong
>with systemd

>>59656080
Hey kid, you are aware that you can change the modification time of a file? Your tactic is useless.

>>59656107
Different anon, but how?

>>59656120
man touch

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>>59655710
No.
Dual booting or having dedicated machine.
Better performance, and you avoid wasting time trying to make simple thing work.

Linux is great, but it great at what it does.
But trying to make jack of all trades is a bad idea.
WINE is proof of concept, though it works very well at some instances it doesn't mean its Windows replacement.
Virtual machines, as the name implies are virtual.
It emulate the computer system to run at the expense of performance, while it does superb job on software side, it fails at hardware side.
Bottom line don't try to force something to do what it shouldn't.

>>59656130
I can no longer trust my own files.

>>59655944
systemd was created by an SWJ faggot who works for RedHat, a company that is basically a CIA front. It was forced on all distributions almost overnight.

The arguments against systemd and why it's bad have been posted over and over, yet systemd shills continuously pop up saying no one has provided any arguments against systemd and that Lennart Poettering's cock is small so it doesn't stretch your asshole or hurt too bad while he's fucking you over with a CIA trojan that runs at PID 1.

The systemd developers are making it harder and harder to not run on systemd. Even if Debian supports not using systemd, the rest of the Linux ecosystem is moving to systemd so it will become increasingly infeasible as time runs on.

By merging in other crucial projects and taking over certain functionality, they are making it more difficult for other init systems to exist. For example, udev is part of systemd now. People are worried that in a little while, udev won’t work without systemd. Kinda hard to sell other init systems that don’t have dynamic device detection.

The concern isn’t that systemd itself isn’t following the UNIX philosophy. What’s troubling is that the systemd team is dragging in other projects or functionality, and aggressively integrating them. When those projects or functions become only available through systemd, it doesn’t matter if you can install other init systems, because they will be trash without those features.

An example, suppose a project ships with systemd timer files to handle some periodic activity. You now need systemd or some shim, or to port those periodic events to cron. Insert any other systemd unit file in this example, and it’s a problem.

>>59655944
There are 3 main groups of systemd haters, and they all have valid critcisms:

People who don't like the fact that systemd has massive scope creep. Specifically that it tries to reimplement many existing services instead of improving / integrating existing ones. For example user switching, network management, logging, etc.

People who don't like the idea of everything relying on systemd interfaces to work at all. For example gnome started to rely on logind and other services even though it technically didn't need to.

People who don't like the management of the project. Lennart can be a dick to people with different opinions. He also created many interesting projects which were both a bit complex and pushed before they were ready. (like pulseaudio, packagekit) Since they were forced on people via popular distros, pulseaudio became "the thing that's always broken" for a year or so. And since Lennart was the author, he became a person who breaks the system.

>in b4 a CIA shill replies with "no one will post a single valid criticism of systemd"

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>>59656165
I'd just like to interject for a moment. What you're referring to as Linux, is in fact, GNU/Linux, or as I've recently taken to calling it, GNU plus Linux. Linux is not an operating system unto itself, but rather another free component of a fully functioning GNU system made useful by the GNU corelibs, shell utilities and vital system components comprising a full OS as defined by POSIX.

Many computer users run a modified version of the GNU system every day, without realizing it. Through a peculiar turn of events, the version of GNU which is widely used today is often called "Linux", and many of its users are not aware that it is basically the GNU system, developed by the GNU Project.

There really is a Linux, and these people are using it, but it is just a part of the system they use. Linux is the kernel: the program in the system that allocates the machine's resources to the other programs that you run. The kernel is an essential part of an operating system, but useless by itself; it can only function in the context of a complete operating system. Linux is normally used in combination with the GNU operating system: the whole system is basically GNU with Linux added, or GNU/Linux. All the so-called "Linux" distributions are really distributions of GNU/Linux.

>>59656182
good post

t. Gentoo user

>>59655944
The only people the systemd developers had to convince to get it widely adopted were the distro maintainers and the developers of a few key software projects. The distro maintainers made systemd at least an optional (if not outright default) init system, since it (1) promised to eliminate a series of init-related problems, and (2) other critical pieces of low-level userspace functionality like udev were getting merged into systemd's codebase anyway. In theory, systemd would reduce their maintenance burden, giving them an incentive to encourage their users to adopt it.

Making it an optional or default init system wasn't enough to spur its rapid adoption, however. What helped solidify systemd's hold was a few key developers making their software depend on it to work. For example, you can't run GNOME without systemd these days, and KDE is not far behind. Other previously-unrelated daemons like upower now require systemd to work correctly. So, users who want a working desktop pretty much have to use systemd now, even if they don't have an opinion on it, or even if they want a desktop more than they want to steer clear of it.

This has created a lot of frustration within the user community. There are plenty of users who do not want systemd, but now have to either (1) go without a working desktop to do so, or (2) fork the relevant parts of the ecosystem that depend on systemd and make them so that they don't. This is exacerbated by author of systemd openly advocating that GNOME depend on it (helping to create this dilemma), having a reputation for breaking the Linux sound system (making people wonder if the same will happen to init), having a reputation for not taking criticism well, and increasingly having a reputation of being deceitful about his intentions for systemd's role in the ecosystem.

>>59655944

Systemd's design has also created a lot of frustration with power users and developers. While it is all well and good that every developer should maintain his/her code in the way he/she sees fit, there are two important design decisions in systemd that have questionable technical merit but have non-trivial social and political consequences for the ecosystem. First, the author of systemd has repeatedly stated that systemd will not be portable, and will reject patches from those who would make it work. This effectively locks people into Linux if they need to use software that depends on systemd, even if the software doesn't otherwise require Linux-specific features. Second, the author of systemd has publicly stated that the interfaces between the systemd components will remain unstable and undocumented for the foreseeable future. This makes the creation of alternatives to systemd components difficult, since developers have to first study the large systemd codebase to even figure out how to begin, and will need to ensure their alternatives are compatible with every version of systemd if they are to gain adoption.

>>59656176
>"""Linux ecosystem"""

>>59655944
>>59655944 cont.

Combined, these two design decisions ensure that it will be very costly and time-consuming for developers to implement alternatives, short of rewriting the whole systemd from scratch. Any work they do to address their problems with systemd can be easily undermined by the systemd author (who doesn't particularly care for alternatives). What is particularly demoralizing about this situation is that there isn't a clear technical reason why systemd had to be designed this way--it could have been written in a portable fashion (or, people would step up and make it portable if the author would accept their work), and its components could have been designed to have stable internal interfaces, so replacing parts of systemd piecemeal would be feasible. The only perceived gains from these design decisions is that the systemd author can artificially make it too costly to compete against it, leading to frustration and controversy.

>>59656214
>>59656202
>>59656182
>>59656176
stop

>>59655944
Very real disadvantages of systemd:

1. systemd is tied to a specific kernel and a specific libc and specific device manager and specific journaling daemon, basically, having systemd means you're locked in to a whole lot of other things.
2. systemd is renowned for locking up during startup and boot when you have network filesystems.
3. systemd hardcodes quite a lot of the booting and shutdown process in C which other systems place in easily editable scripts.
4. systemd in practice requires quite a lot of things: ACLs, PAM, dbus, polkit, these are not hard requirements but without this the above advantages are lost so all distributions enable them at compile time.
5. logind starting to do retarded shit like user sessions and having retarded power management, in theory you can disable logind, but no distribution again does this.
6. systemd is very monolithic and comes in one configuration compared to being able to piece your system together yourself.

>in b4 i don't care, lennart's dick just tastes soooo good. plz lennart, cum on my face

>>59655944
>>59656243 cont.

7. systemd appropriates the cgroup tree and takes control of it and completely messes with any other user of the cgroup tree and really wants them all to go through systemd, systemd was wirtten basically on the assumption that nothing but systemd would be using cgroups and they even tried to lobby to make cgroups a private prioperty of systemd in the kernel but that went no-where.

8. systemd's usage of cgroups for process tracking is a fundamentally broken concept, cgroups were never meant for this and it's a good way to fuck resource usage up.

9. systemd has a hard dependency on glibc for really no good reason.

10. systemd relies on DBus for IPC, as the name 'Desktop bus' implies DBus was never written with this in mind and it shows. DBus was written to facilitate IPC within a single desktop session, not as a transport during early boot. This is why systemd wanted to push kdbus heavily beause kdbus solved some of the problems inherent to DBus being used as IPC during early boot.

11. systemd's security and general code quality practices are less than stellar, a lot of security bugs pop up in systemd due to its insistence of putting quite a bit of code in pid1 and quickly adding new features and quickly changing things.

>in be4 "not one single valid criticism" please let me jack you off lennart

>>59655944
i'm so sorry for asking

>>59655944
>>59656254 cont.

13. systemd creates dependencies and is a dependency of things for political reasons in order to encourage people to pick these things. This is not conjecture, Lennart has admitted multiple times that he creates dependencies to 'gently push' everyone to the same configuration

14. systemd is monolithic for its own sake. It's basically product tying to encourage people to pick an all-or-none deal to again gently push towards this consistency.

15. Lennart Poettering, the face of systemd and its lead dev is the biggest primadonna FOSS has ever known who continues to shift blame and demand that entire world adapt to his designs.

>in b4 "lennart's is dick is sooo comfy in my ass"

>>59655944

Systemd-tards and CIAniggers haven't posted one single argument in favor of systemd or why you should use it.

Here's some more reasons not to use it:

1. it's unauditable, at hundreds of thousands of lines of code
2. it's a large attack surface.
3. system logging is fundamentally flawed, almost broken
4. it has become an underlying dependency for top-level software layers; to forgo shitd is to forgo that software that depends on it
5. it places way too many potential failure cases into what is probably the most critical program in the system
6. what problem is it solving again?
7. bluring userspace with kernel land. MS tried this between 99-03 with kernel32.exe and IIS, and look how that turned out for them
8. because top software layers depend on it, and because it won't work anywhere else but Linux, it effectively shifts entire projects (and desktops) to linux-only, co-opting development for a specific environment
9. why was this needed when there were existing solutions?

>>59656256
you should be

>>59656243
>>59656275

1. With hardware becoming more dynamic and asynchronous initialization of drivers in the kernel, it was impossible to say when a certain piece of hardware would be available. For a long time, this was solved by first triggering uevents, then waiting for udev to "settle". This often took a very long time and still gave no guarantee that all required hardware was available. Working around this in shell code would be very complex, slow and error-prone: You'd have to retry all kinds of operations in a loop until they succeed. Solution: An system that can perform actions based on events - this is one of the major features of systemd.

2. Initscripts had no dependency handling for daemons. In times where only a few services depended on dbus and nothing else, that was easy to handle. Nowadays, we have daemons with far more complex dependencies, which would make configuration in the old initscripts-style way hard for every user. Handling dependencies is a complex topic and you don't want to deal with it in shell code. Systemd has it built-in (and with socket-activation, a much better mechanism to deal with dependencies).

3. Complex tasks in shell scripts require launching external helper program A LOT. This makes things very slow. Systemd handles most of those tasks with builtin fast C code, or via the right libraries. It won't call many external programs to perform its tasks.

4. The whole startup process was serialized. Also very slow. Systemd can parallelize it and does so quite well.

5. No indication of whether a certain daemon was already started. Each init script had to implement some sort of PID file handling or similar. Most init scripts didn't. Systemd has a 100% reliable solution for this based on Linux cgroups.

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>>59656275
>>59656263
>>59656254
>>59656243
>>59656229
>>59656214
>>59656202
>>59656182
>>59656176
fuck off

>>59656300
Cont'd

6. Race conditions between daemons started via udev rules, dbus activation and manual configuration. It could happen that a daemon was started multiple times (maybe even simultaneously), which lead to unexpected results (this was a real problem with bluez). Systemd provides a single instance where all daemons are handled. Udev or dbus don't start daemons anymore, they tell systemd that they need a specific daemon and systemd takes care of it.

7. Lack of confiurability. It was impossible to change the behaviour of initscripts in a way that would survive system updates. Systemd provides good mechanisms with machine-specific overrides, drop-ins and unit masking.

8. Burden of maintenance: In addition to the aforementioned design problems, initscripts also had a large number of bugs. Fixing those bugs was always complicated and took time, which we often did not have. Delegating this task to a larger community (in this case, the systemd community) made things much easier

>>59656303
you fuck off, red hat shill

>>59656303
fuck off red hat cunt

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Can you retards stop autism'ing about fucking systemd and help with a actual issue

>>59655948
>>59656094

>>59656303
how's that lennart pinus

good thread

>>59656336
>/fglt/ should be my personal tech support
>Implying systemd isn't an actual issue

>>59656364
good post

>>59656336
seriously nothing in relevant in /etc/apache/sites.available?

>>59655944
everything

>>59656275
>>59656263
>>59656254
>>59656243
>>59656229
>>59656214
>>59656202
>>59656182
who cares? nobody is forcing anyone to use it, you have all freedoms to modify it to your needs, make it better, drop it completly
what the heck is this extreme paranoid autism?

>>59656396
>nobody's forcing anyone to use it
>you have all freedoms to modify it to your needs
read some of those posts you dumbfuck

>>59656396
>who cares
you should

>>59656396
Fuck off systemd shill, you won't infect linux like AIDS.

Decent distro with most packages that's not arch, debian and gentoo based?

GNU screen or tmux?

>>59656439
a second terminal

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>>59656438

>>59656380
no, just the default files
nothing relevant in apache2.conf or conf-enabled

>>59656396
It's security risks. If you have systemd I can predict whole OS stack and use specific exploits for it.

>>59656396
>nobody's forcing anyone to use it
the distro mainteners and all the software that depends on it is

>>59656450
It's a very comfy distro.

>>59656459
>source: my ass

>>59656438
gentoo, funtoo, exherbo, void, crux, source mage or slackware
take your pick

>>59656439

tmux much better. Don't used screen. second terminal is bad idea, if I don't want loose my windows after X crash.

>>59656460
not systemds fault when others choose to use it

>>59656460
Who would've guessed it's more convenient to maintain a systemd distro. Too bad init fags

>>59656438
simple > fedora
middle > gentoo
hard > slackware
expert > lfs

>>59656439
screen is much better, don't use tmux.

I got a python program that I run as a systemd service file but journalctl doesn't seem to show errors that would usually be displayed in stdout.

Any ideas how I could resolve this?

>>59656503

Why screen better? Does it have sessions?

>>59656438
Debian

>>59656503
Just open another tty, your work is safe even if X crashes

>>59656515

Install gentoo
[spoiler]sorry[/spoiler]

>>59656527
Don't use X then. Screen makes installing gentoo very convienient.

>>59656531
>spoiler

>>59656543

give link to 4chan bbcode or smth.

>>59656531
/sYou should be

>>59656541
So is another tty

[s]sex[/s]

>>59656550
http://lemonparty.org/

>>59656490
no it's not
I'm not talking to systemd devs, am I
I'm trying to influence other people not to use it, so that they can then influence other people not to use it and move to devuan or some other non-systemd infected distro
when more people stop using it, devs and distro mainteners will see reason and stop creating needles dependencies and forcing it down our throats
I've got nothing against people who choose to use systemd for it's benefits, but most people don't even know that there's a choice (because there isn't one on most distros)
it's like how windows is the dominant os because it comes preinstalled on most computers, normies don't even know that there are better operating systems to choose from, but when people tell them, some of them will listen

>>59656541
>>59656570
Whant to see how girs eat own poo?

>>59656499
>middle > gentoo
>hard > slackware
wat

>>59656562
But then I can browser the install guide via links and have a terminal to type commands in one single tty.

>>59656517
it does

>>59656580
>forcing
do you have any traumatic experiences? you keep talking about force, but there is no force
by your logic linus is forcing linux on our systems and makes everything depeding on it

>>59656595
Why limit yourself to small spaces when you can have 3 full screen ttys

>>59656610
The CIA is actively forcing systemd to be the one init for all distros and even are making DEs have a systemd requirement. After that, even WMs will have a systemd requirement and it will be impossible to use the kernel without systemd.

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>>59656594

>resolving dependency by hand

>>59656627
>The CIA
stopped reading here
seek help

>>59656622
It's just two screens and it feels like too much of a hassle to constantly flip back and forth between TTYs when I can have it all on one screen. Even the handbook says it be more convienent to use screen over a TTY.

>>59656641
It's a fact that redhat is in bed with the NSA, but the CIA is also involved with getting everyone on systemd. They're very sneaky with their esponiage.

>>59656610
by my logic laptop makers are forcing windows on us because they don't give you a second choice
this makes windows the dominant OS and makes more software depend on windows
that's why by spreading the word of GNU/Linux, more people will use it, more people will develop cross platform software and some laptop makers like dell might even preinstall Ubuntu

>>59656654
Whoops, meant for
>>59656637

>>59656654
systemd is free software, which makes it immune to any of your conspiracies

>>59656630
is this actually true though?

>>59656654
>Fact
Citation needed

>>59656666
>it's free, so it must be good
you're mentally incapacitated if you think that

>>59656666
And bugs have been planted before. Remember heartbleed? That was planted by the NSA to weaken security.

>>59656658
>by my logic laptop makers are forcing windows on us because they don't give you a second choice
afaik there's nothing that prevents you from installing a different os

>>59656669

Yes.

can someone give a tl;dr on the systemd war ITT?
is /fglt/ pro or anti systemd?

>>59656694
NSA uses a lot of RHEL software and developed SELinux. There is a special relationship between redhat and the NSA and systemd is one of them.

>>59656745
>NSA uses a lot of RHEL software
which?

>>59656745
>Thou shall not commit a logical fallacy
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Correlation_does_not_imply_causation

>>59656706
try to comprehend this:

windows is the dominant os because it comes preinstalled on most machines
most people don't even know they can choose another os
therefore most people just use windows
if most people use windows, most software will be developed for windows
and most people that have realized that there is a choice and want to switch can't because it's either strange or inconvenient or they depend on some windows software that in turn depends on windows, like photoshop, cad, games and whatnot

HOW IS THIS NOT FORCED DEPENDENCY, HOLY SHIT
most people don't have a fucking choice because of software that runs only on windows

if more people use GNU/Linux, there will be more cross platform software or just software for GNU/Linux, making it in turn easier for more people to switch that couldn't before that software existed
some laptops will come preinstalled with GNU/Linux and make some normies that would never consider installing a different os use GNU/Linux


THE SAME FUCKING PRINCIPLE APPLIES TO SYSTEMD

>>59656820
except that windows is bad for the users, but there's nothing bad with systemd and users still can opt out and use a different distro

>>59656800
>>59656804
http://www.itwire.com/opinion-and-analysis/open-sauce/68567-nsa-runs-its-spying-activities-on-red-hat-linux

>>59655709
too soon

>>59656839
>users still can opt out and use a different distro
they won't be able to because more and more stuff will depend on systemd unless we stop this, how dumb are jesus christ

>there's nothing bad with systemd
there are other disadvantages listed in this thread, but the fact that systemd is consuming low level utilites and taking away init freedom from users is bad enough

>>59656915
Don't bother, the NSA pays people to shill for systemd.

>>59656843
See
>>59656804

>>59656944
Stop denying it NSA shill, I've already proven it that the NSA uses RHEL and is actively involved with the development of systemd while the CIA is trying to promote it and force others to use it.

I don't use systemd out of spite

>>59656960
>CIA uses Red Hat
therefore
>Actively invovled with the development of SystemD

Sure, gotcha
Have you read this?
>>59656804
>>59656804
>>59656804

>>59656985
I said the NSA is involved with development you lying shill, the CIA is just trying to speed up the processes of it being used.

>>59650666

Big Question, so i'm using Tor and firefox for a really long time but i still don't understand why is Tor dev use duckduckgo as there default search engine could you explain me why ?

>>59657019
>CIA uses Red Hat
therefore
>NSA is involved with the development of SystemD
and
>CIA is trying to speed up the process of it being used

Now, did I get you correctly?
Are you sure you've read this? You can read right?
>>59656804
>>59656804
>>59656804

>>59657059
I never said the CIA actively used redhat, I said the NSA did. Stop lying and twisting my words you shill piece of shit. Fucking psyops.

Somebody make a new general so all the systemd and NSA tinfoilers can be contained in this old thread.

Also >>59650750

>>59657123
Oh sorry, you mean
>NSA uses Red Hat
therefore
>NSA is involved with the development of SystemD
and
>CIA is trying to speed up the process of it being used

Now, I'm 100% sure this is correct
Btw, have you really read this? Please prove to me you can read
>>59656804
>>59656804
>>59656804

>>59657127
The NSA is doing heavy levels of psychological operations on 4chan. They're trying to cover up them and the CIA activities. I believe it was the CIA who have tried to assasinate prominant members of the linux community.

>>59657153
Lennart is a redhat employee and systemd is a creation of redhat. Just connect the dots and you will see systemd is a redhat creation aka the NSA.

>>59656820
it's called crony capitalism

>>59657193
What dots?
Why are you refusing to answer my question?
See
>>59656804
>>59656804
>>59656804

>>59656820
Wasn't MS or intel or someone fined for their contracts with OEMs recently?

tl;dr
>pro systemd = red hat employee
>anti systemd = tinfoil hatter

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Can .VBS malware run on wine automatically?

>>59657270
think that'll require windows script host or something.

>>59657220
You're trying to push a fallcy where there is none. The NSA are actively trying to sabotage linux along with the CIA. I am certainly trying to answer your question, but being the fact you're a paid shill you're avoiding my answers

>>59657283
>No fallacy where is none
See
>>59657153
>>59657153
Then read
>>59657220
>>59657220
>>59657220
>>59657220

I can do this all day

>>59657312
I'm saying there is no fallacy that you're trying to push.

halp pls

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[0330/191027:ERROR:connection.cc(799)] sqlite error 778, errno 0: disk I/O error
[0330/191027:ERROR:connection.cc(799)] sqlite error 1, errno 0: no such table: meta
[0330/191027:ERROR:connection.cc(799)] sqlite error 1, errno 0: SQL logic error or missing database
[0330/191027:ERROR:connection.cc(799)] sqlite error 778, errno 0: disk I/O error
[0330/191027:ERROR:connection.cc(799)] sqlite error 1, errno 0: no such table: meta
[0330/191027:ERROR:connection.cc(799)] sqlite error 1, errno 0: SQL logic error or missing database

>>59657340
>Again, no fallacy
But you said this >>59657153, and didn't even refute it so again, read
>>59656804
>>59656804
>>59656804
>>59656804
Are you sure you're reading it? If you did, you wouldn't come back at me with those weak ass rebuttals.

>>59657365
You're the one pushing the shitty rebuttals you faggot shill. I already posted the NSA uses heavey amount of RHEL. I already posted that systemd is a redhat creation and uses NSA contributed tools like SELinux and systemd.

>>59657340
>>59657365
INTELLIGENCE AGENCIES ARE NOT THE ONLY PROBLEM HERE, JESUS CHRIST

both of you see
>>59656243
>>59656254
>>59656263
>>59656275

>>59657353
you've come at a wrong time, friendo

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sup lads, I'm new to Linux and I've some questions:

1. Is there a way to completly de-GNU my system?
2. I've heard bad things about systemd and want to remove it, what are my options?

I'm on Arch Linux, thanks.

>>59657416
why

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>>59657390
>He doesn't know the fallacy in his argument
Hahaha I feel bad for you

>>59657395
A lot of those problems are because of intelligence agencies, it was designed to be broken. Just look at this very thread and you can see shills trying to play damage control and distort your mind.

>>59657425
install gentoo

>>59657427
>NSA shill doesn't know he's been pushing the fallacy fallacy
Rekt, just keep it coming shill boy.

>>59657425
>arch linux
no way.
Gentoo musl, no coreutils, use /bin/busybox.
LLVM+CLANG as compiller.
Wayland compositor.

>>59657426
>>59657425

you need to pick a side first
then and only then someone from that side might help you

>red hat employee
>tinfoil hatter

choose wisely

SYSTEMD WARS

A long time ago, in a thread far far away...

* TA ta tara taa ta TA ta TA TA TA ... *

>>59657454
I know right,

since NSA uses Red Hat,
therefore,
A is in cahoots with B.

Good work anon, 100 points to you

"I don't actually have any particularly strong opinions on systemd itself. I've had issues with some of the core developers that I think are much too cavalier about bugs and compatibility, and I think some of the design details are insane (I dislike the binary logs, for example), but those are details, not big issues."
t. Linux Torvalds

also
>binary logs
what in the-

>>59657492
They use RHEL specifically for their spying programs.

>>59657461
im not that fat, buy

>reddit will halp me
>i hope this faggots get prostata cancer

>>59657502
Ok let me rephrase it AGAIN

since NSA uses Red Hat for they're spying,
therefore,
A is in cahoots with B.

Satisfied? 100 keks

systemd a shit
a SHIT

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>mfw systemd can even play tetris now

What makes SystemD so bad?

The REAL reasons:

>1. It is too mainstream, I am a special snowflake, Won't use Arch or 'flake distros, they are too different. SystemD made my distro different and I just want to go back, I keep telling people linux is about learning but I won't learn this because hey I'm better than you

>2. Jerked off a little bit too hard with other hippies in the forums with distros with professionals making these choices and I think I'm in charge

>3. It's just too new, I'm a neo-luddite and don't like very small changes and improved speed, however I don't see anything wrong with grub2 from grub or lilo or pulseaudio or fucking anything else because I didn't jerk off with other hippies at the time and didn't have any false sense of self importance. Now I spend most of my time googling "HOW TO INSTALL GRUB2 MODIFY ON SYSTEMD WHICH SUCKS DEBIAN UBUNTU REMOVE PLEASE HELP"

>4. Linux is about freedom, which means freedom to be a loser and retarded hipster and the freedom to make a shitty hipster nu-distro that nobody uses and will die in less than 5 months
>Hold on, just a second.

>>Crashes straight through brick wall as legs are instantly broken but the momentum keeps him going
>>"LENNART LUNNART LENNURT LANNART LAN-NART LUNART LUNERT LEN-NART Sksjidjidjijdsfksjlk!!!!!!!!!!!"
>>Stops at giant buildings made out of redhat and debian making a fucking catastrophic amount of money
>>Losing blood really fast
>>"nooooooooo give me a fucking job noooooooooo im better than u let me be ur sys ad min noooooooooo"
>>"muh fukkin way of liiiiiiiiiifeee!!!!!!! was slightly changed!!!!!!!!"
>>Slowly passes away into the night and the police have to wait for him to rot because it just smells so fucking bad

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>Check dependencies
>systemd

>>59657517
I'm sorry shill, but you lost. Go home, no direct deposit for you.

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hmmm rly makes u think

what happened here?

>>59657581
Lost how? I stated the fallacy in your argument, and you've yet to refute it

A uses B, therefore
A and B must be partners

You just keep coming back at me with non sequiturs. Cmon, you've gotta try harder than that

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hmmm rly makes me think

>>59657549
>mfw this might as well be true

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>>59657474

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nice, can you make it more star wars-like?

so how do we kill systemd once and for all?

>>59657657
we kill lennart, red hat and the GNOME project

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idk how so much hate can grow out of modernizing ancient init systems

>>59657629
make this the next thread's OP image

>>59657595
think about killing yourself dumb memespamming retard

>>59657680
Systemd isn't an init system though, if it was it would be adequate.

>>59657680
neck yourself

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>Much of the Open Source community tries to advertise the community as one happy place to the outside. Where contributions are valued only by their technical quality, and everybody meets at conferences for beers.

>Well, it is not like that. It's quite a sick place to be in.

>I don't usually talk about this too much, and hence I figure that people are really not aware of this, but yes, the Open Source community is full of assholes, and I probably more than most others am one of their most favourite targets. I get hate mail for hacking on Open Source. People have started multiple "petitions" on petition web sites, asking me to stop working (google for it). Recently, people started collecting Bitcoins to hire a hitman for me (this really happened!). Just the other day, some idiot posted a "song" on youtube, a creepy work, filled with expletives about me and suggestions of violence. People post websites about boycotting my projects, containing pretty personal attacks. On IRC, people /msg me sometimes, with nasty messages, and references to artwork in 4chan style. And there's more. A lot more.

>https://plus.google.com/+LennartPoetteringTheOneAndOnly/posts/J2TZrTvu7vd

Stop the bully.

>>59657710
>tfw no personal lennart sex slave to bully

>>59657710
he deserves all the hate he gets
fucking init freedom stealing cunt

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>>59657648
my take

>>59657732
the R and the S should be connected

>>59657710
>references to artwork in 4chan style
mad pepes?

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>binary logs

>>59657710
I actually agree. Hating a program for whatever reason, ok, buy how can people ITT be so ungrateful to a guy who writes free software for you? Don't like it? Don't use it.
>>59657670
fuck off

>>59657710
>"""Open Source"""
that said, why do all these open source fags hang around on google plus? (linus is there too)

>>59657795
>Don't like it? Don't use it.
I'm loosing my freedom not use it dumb cunt

>>59657027
try using google in tor as see how long it takes before you run into a captcha page

the GNOME project really is cancer
KDE masterrace

>>59657809
lmao, nobody is forcing you to use it, faggot
you have all your freedoms not to use it, wake up

>>59657807
cause "Open Source" means anti-freedoms

>>59657824
>>>/r/eddit

>>59657826
systemd is eating up low level utilites and making more and more software depend on it
wake up

why chmod 755 -R /srv wont give me permissions?

>>59657858
no it doesn't, the developers of the specific software decide if they add a dependency on systemd

>>59657883
it is actually eating a lot of stuff, they ate syslog, they ate udev, they probly ate a lot more I just don't care so much.

inb4 new thread

>>59657883
>it doesen't
wew lad see >>59657610
>the developers of the specific software decide if they add a dependency on systemd
and how would you stop that?

>>59657891
awwww, did the bad systemd replace your ancient utility with a more modern and better version?

>>59657876
>me
who/which user?
>permissions
which permissions?

let's continue this fight in the new thread

>>59657629
make this the banner of the new thread

>>59657918
that is apache folder so i need to create, edit, delete files
for me, user is anon

>>59657915
I don't know anything about udev, even hal just werked as far as I'm concerned. journald is just worse though, unfortunately it's a hard requirement to the rest of the bullshit. If journald wasn't a thing nobody would hate systemd.

>not just ordering an assassination on lennart

>not just doxing lennart and beating him up on his way from the grocery store and making him spill all his tomatoes and stepping on them as they roll down the pavement

>>59657948
/srv is probably owned by root:root
so with 755 (rwxr-xr-x) anon:anon cannot write it

Create a directory inside, change it's owner to whatever user apache runs under and then set it to 755.

I would advise against changing the owner of the parent directory (/srv)

-> >>59657979

NEW THREAD

>>59657992
>>59657992
>>59657992