Find and post legitimate flaws

>ths thread again

Finder.

shitty logo and name

buzzword-arrogant marketing

>>59644914
whats wrong with it

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waiting for redcuck tripfag to show up to see him spew his autism

>>59644890
Less hardware support than BSD

-Can't multitask the same way you can with windows.
- For edgy design fags with a love for starbucks

>>59644890
To quote from Ubuntu forums:

"A *huge* part of Mac OS X essential core software is used by Apple from freeloading (legally, since the respective licenses do grant this) from Free and Open Source Software stack:

* their Kernel: it is taken from BSD.

* their Compiler: it is GCC (GNU Compiler Collection).

* their User Authentication: it is taken from MIT Kerberos/krb5.

* their Encryption; it is taken from OpenSSH.

* their Directory Service: it is taken from OpenLDAP.

* their Print Spool Server: it is taken from CUPS.

* their non-PS Printer Drivers: they are taken from Gimp-Print/Gutenprint.

* their Windows Interoperability: it is taken from Samba.

* their Web Server: it is taken from Apache.

* their Web Browser Safari and WebCore: it is built around KHTML and KJS, taken from KDE.

* and further, they are happy to take advantage of X11, of OpenOffice, of Mozilla and lots of other Open Source Software if it fits them. They do use many thousand of man-years worth of Free Software for free in their OS."

Then they choose to make it overpriced and closed source. It simply pisses me off.

>>59645037
this is awesome. apple is the biggest open source company that means

>>59644949
- can't navigate to root directory
- can't use tabs
- can't show hidden files without a restart
- can't open a terminal in current location
- can't edit address bar
- can't open files with one click or enter press
- can't create an empty file IIRC

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It's extremely locked down and gay.

You realize the logo is 2 kissing men right?

>>59645037
CUPS was purchased and is currently developed by Apple.

>>59645037
For some reason, Linux users seem to believe that they have the sole rights to all and any FOSS software despite the best of that software was written for UNIX.
What Linux software does Apple use?

>>59645267
what is it you wish to get around that is locked down?

>>59645247
at least it has columnar view mode, which no graphical linux file manager can seem to do.

>>59644914
Finder may be ass in a lot of ways but it's got the only decent miller columns implementation so it wins by default

>>59645037
>* their Kernel: it is taken from BSD.
Sort of, it's a BSD/Mach hybrid
>* their Compiler: it is GCC (GNU Compiler Collection).
No, it's Clang.
>* their Encryption; it is taken from OpenSSH.
Noot everything needs to be done from scratch, rolling your own encryption is generally a bad idea.

>* their Print Spool Server: it is taken from CUPS.
Apple owns and develops CUPS, Linux is the legal "freeloader" here.
* and further, they are happy to take advantage of X11
Apple has their own display server, it's called Quartz Compositor.
>OpenOffice, of Mozilla
How?

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>>59644913
You could spend a week on this board and see everything it will ever have to offer

>>59645314
finder
the dock
the DE
basically the entire UI

>>59645247
Quit talking out of your ass, most of what you said are blatant lies.

>>59645303
All Apple cloud run on Linux.

>>59645247
-> can't navigate to root directory
>- can't use tabs
>- can't create empty file
false
>- can't show hidden files without a restart
so?
>- can't open files with one click or enter press
who the fuck opens files with one press? and once selected, press enter
>- can't edit address bar
use 'go' in the menu bar if you want to navigiate to a specific folder

next

>>59645326
>>59645328
Inferior to directory tree view, but it's still probably the only thing that makes finder tolerable

>>59645376
Nope, miller columns >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> everything else

>>59645369
>-> can't navigate to root directory
There's no graphical option, you have to use unintuitive shit like cmd-shift-g and manually typing the entire path with no autocompletion
>so?
this is the macfag defence - apple hasn't made a useful feature, so you shouldn't need it!
>who the fuck opens files with one press?
Who the fuck doesn't?
>and once selected, press enter
That renames the file, fag. Do you even use the piece of shit OS?
>use 'go' in the menu bar if you want to navigiate to a specific folder
Or, just have an editable address bar like any sane file manager

>>59645390
nope

>>59645438
>There's no graphical option
found the kiddo
> apple hasn't made a useful feature
the feature is there, restart finder for changes to take effect
>Who the fuck doesn't?
everyone i know
>Or, just have an editable address bar
doesnt matter, functionality is there

>>59645486
You couldn't be more wrong.

>>59645438
>There's no graphical option
You literally just click on your root drive, it couldn't possibly be easier.

>>59644914
finder is the best GUI based file manager. every linux distro rips it to no end. idk what youre talking about

>>59645582
Finder does have its flaws. I don't see how a multibillion dollar company can't handle making a file manager with a decent thumbnail mode.

>>59645520
Ok, so we have established that being just barely functional is enough for mactoddlers. No need to discuss this further.

Finder is ass.
Walled garden.
Aesthetics are generally mediocre bar Yosemite.

But Mac OS is Unix-like, so it's better than Windows by default.

>>59645610
name me one (1) file manager thats better

>>59645660
>walled garden
We're talking about OS X, not iOS
>OS X is Unix-like
It _is_ UNIX

>>59645661
Bash and coreutils that aren't ancient are pretty comfy.

>>59645779
not as comfy as finder.

next

>>59645688
>OS that obviously doesn't want users to install programs outside of their store
>not a walled garden

>>59645805
It's fine if you use your point and click babby's first file manager but when you realize that not a single power user uses that thing you might see for yourself that you might have been delusional all along.

>>59645862
then just use terminal

next

>>59645813
Are you seriously complaining about having to change one goddamned option in the settings? Meanwhile you'll sperg about how people are too lazy to manually edit config files and rice their shit.

>>59645862
what does a ""power user"" use?

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>>59644890

>>59645935
I personally use shell, mc, plus anything with decent image previews for images. It's just faster to type shit than when I have to find it and click it.

>>59645037
>their Compiler: it is GCC (GNU Compiler Collection).
how old is this post? They've been using clang forever.

Is there anything wrong with them using open source software? They're not even selling the OS, you can't get the OS without the hardware, without violating the TOS.

>>59646069
>Is there anything wrong with them using open source software?
Nothing at all. If they don't like Apple using their software then they should choose a license that prevents it.

>>59645991
>Exposé
>click on window

>>59646041
>Click on file
>space bar

That was hard.

>>59645991
Cmd+`

>>59645247
>- can't navigate to root directory
Wrong.
Since I assume you mean Finder: Try "go to"
>- can't use tabs
Wrong.
Of course you can, ALT+TAB just does not do what you want it to do
learn other keyboard shortcuts
>- can't show hidden files without a restart
Wrong.
You need to restart Finder though
>- can't open a terminal in current location
Wrong.
System Service, litteraly first google result
>- can't edit address bar
What address bar ? For what reason ?
>- can't open files with one click or enter press
Wrong~ish
Force Touch, press different buttons
>- can't create an empty file IIRC
lolwhut ? Of course you can. macOS is OpenGroup Unix 03 certified
Its more unix than your beloved gentoo

>>59646232
>>59646210
Windows or linux can switch to the 3rd window in one click without all that retarded bullshit.

>>59646270
Why would you want to click when you can use keybindings to cycle windows?

>>59645037
>* their Print Spool Server: it is taken from CUPS

No shit, CUPS was made by apple

>>59646317
Actually Apple hired the CUPS developer and bought the rights to it a decade ago.

I'm trying to think of flaws but there legitimately are none

I have to talk about gayming if I want to badmouth mac

>>59645688
OS X is Unix, not UNIX.

>>59646483
OS X is UNIX.

>>59646210
First you have to find it among a bunch of other files. In shell you just type first ~3 letters and press tab. Faster especially when you need to go several levels deeper.

>>59645991
command+`
If you want to switch between apps, use command+tab

im a full time OSX user for sound design

the file system is shit and can't really be trusted. ive debated using ZFS on my hack but running it without ECC is kinda flakey.

>>59646799
You could use Windows if you weren't a complete faggot.

>>59646517
From the UNIX site:

>It must not be used as a generic term.
>It must not be used in connection with products, unless the product is licensed to use the mark.
>There are detailed guidelines referring to the visual presentation, form and manner of use.
>In editorial or articles, but not advertising the trade marks may be used without prior permission - provided that the rules in our Trademark Usage Guide are followed

Neither MacOS or OS X is UNIX, which is a trademark of The Open Group.

>>59646572
So you still have to key in the full path, tab-key assisted or not? And you can type in the first couple letters in the Finder and it'll highlight the first matching item in the window.

I'm not totally blowing off the command line, but you need to get off the notion that it's the one, true best way for everything. I'm also not discounting the possibility that if you spend all your time in there, it might be just that much more efficient to do than taking your hand off the keyboard to reach for the mouse and switch your mind into a GUI mode of thought.

>>59646833
the time saved not having to deal with windows bullshit with their audio management is worth it. the baked in midi studio with the IAC bus is worth the price of admission alone. window needs so much extra bullshit to get it functional as a DAW computer. ASIO4ALL for example.

osx just works when its time for me to work

windows is the OS for manchildren playing vidya and watching animes

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>>59646884
Every version of OS X since 10.5 on Intel has been certified by the Open Group to be UNIX compliant.

>>59645189
No since their own product is closed source. H how dense can you be?

>>59647206
OS X is an open source OS with closed source components.

>>59647234
OS X is a closed sourced OS with some open sourced components.

>>59647234
Reverse it, and you'd be correct.
The only open source version of OS X is Darwin.

>>59646799

APFS will come in time to rid the Mac of HFS+

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>>59644890
Classic Mac OS, by the appearance of System 7, was fucking great and blew away Windows. As long as you figured out your extensions and had enough RAM, it was solid. I've run Macs for months back in those days (I had several Quadra 700s in an Appletalk network) without rebooting. B the time 9 rolled around stability was often impaired by shitty 3rd party drivers or software, but as long as you could avoid that it was perfectly fine as well.

Things like multiple monitors just always working, easy configuration of peripherals, excellent fonts and color management, and lots of software made it an easy choice for many people, from LISP programmers to normalfag artist types and grannies.

OS X is great and a big improvement at the architectural level bringing us the superior Next greatness as well as providing us with a familiar Unix™® environment but it's just not comfy like the classic Mac OS was. Too bad about the state of the browser on older Macs, otherwise they'd be more usable today.

>>59645037
>freeloading
that would be something like, taking bsd code and never ever sharing your changes

they contribute to many projects which is the entire spirit of the bsd community

gnutards can't discern sharing from freeloading, they are commies who want to force you to comply to their autism

>>59646799
>running it without ECC is kinda flakey
not at all, it's still a million times better than a non-zfs filesystem

you get another level of extra fault protection with ecc but it works great without it

>>59647303
>>59647325
OS X is based on Darwin, an open source OS developed by Apple.

It naturally draws technologically challenged folks who stack shortcuts on the desktop on top of each other, and they always have 500 shortcuts on their desktop.

>>59647350
>B the time 9 rolled around stability was often impaired by shitty 3rd party drivers or software, but as long as you could avoid that it was perfectly fine as well.
Finder wasn't 3rd party software.

OS 9 is the worst OS I ever used.
And I used Windows ME for a while.

>>59647549
And how does that affect you using OS X?

>>59644890
gay users

>>59647575
>>59647568

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Botnet

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>>59645247
>can't use tabs
That's news to me.

>>59644890
The logo is literally, two men making out.

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>been trying to come up with a flaw for 2 hours
>still none

>>59647643
Well maybe if you have your mind in the gay gutter

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>>59646952
>mactoddler can't even tell the difference between real UNIX and poo in loo streetshitterOS with UNIX compliance hackjob shoehorned in

>>59647682
This thread kind of set the theme.

>>59644890
>2006-2015
>trackpad impossible to click near upper edge
>extremely loose near bottom edge
>overall flimsy diving board piece of shit
>even applel admitted it's shit and went back to solid non-click touchpads
>still has no real buttons
>relies on pressure sensitive gimmick bullshit
>if you press too lightly or too hard it does something completely different than what you intended
>shit tier 1mm travel chiclet kb
>OSX is a steaming pile of shit with horrendous battery management
>applel's solution is to cram in a massive heavy 95WHr battery to make up for it
>even XXXTREME GAMER cancer like razer blade with 4X the CPU/GPU power and 70WHr battery matches it in battery life in same tasks
>gets BTFO by 55WHr Yoga 2 in battery life in same tasks
>the battery takes up the space where a cooling system would've been in a laptop not designed by the world's thinnest and lightest gay hipsters
>overheats constantly from abysmal crippled cooling system
>throttles to 800mhz due to chronic overheating problems
>retina meme for "pros" have have <70% aRGB
>gloss mirror coating impossible to use with overhead lighting
>blurry as shit retina meme scaling
>shitbook air even worse with glossy 1366x768 TN eye cancer
>systemic battery explosion problems for over a decade

>2016+
https://9to5mac.com/2016/11/03/2016-macbook-pro-thunderbolt-compatibility-issues
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NYVjIjBMx6o
>can't use any existing TB3 devices
>can't use USB and wifi at the same time
>ultra shit tier zero travel kb
>keyboard louder than WWII cricket
>memetouch emojibar
>no USB-A
>no escape
>soldered ram
>soldered SSD
>tamper tape on battery screws
>applel falls for their own thin meme and uses 54WH battery
>2 hour battery life

http://www.howtogeek.com/198043/how-to-merge-folders-on-mac-os-x-without-losing-all-your-files-seriously
>it's 2017 and moving files around in finder will STILL cause massive data loss

>macshit is good
Can we finally put an end to this meme?

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Cancer user base

>>59647703
Not really, I've yet to have a gay thought and I've been itt for a few hours. It's okay to come out of the closet, anon, I'm sure your dad will understand. No need to take it out on people you accuse of being gay because of shitty memes that are older than you are.

>>59647714
Nice copypasta

>>59647729
>>59647568

>>59647747
It doesn't make the system run worse, it makes it worse to run the system.

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>>59644890
Utter fucking shit battery management.

>>59647772
Not in the slightest

>>59644961
Underrated post.

>>59647781
It's subjective.

>>59647797
Well then you have some serious issues.

>>59647733
>No need to take it out on people you accuse of being gay because of shitty memes that are older than you are.
As a gay man, I find this totally inappropriate. Who the fuck are you to deny gays their memes? I paid a lot for this computer and it sure as hell is going to be GAY if I say it is.

>>59647806
Can you not bully for having a slight difference of opinion?
I don't like the baggage that comes with "being an Apple user," and find it more appealing to be carrying the baggage of "being a Linux freetard."
I already told you the system runs fine, when you have only a handful of products to support you should run well on them.

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>>59647714

>Botjeet can't even work out the correct thread to post his pasta in

>>59647855
There is no baggage, you dumbass. It's just a retarded Internet meme that nobody in real life gives two shits about.

>>59644961
>>59647788

Its almost as if macOS was never meant to be a standalone OS to install on any machine. Really fucking made me think. Think about the average intelligence of the people who post here.

>>59647886
Does having support dropped three years out count as a flaw with the OS or the company that drops its customers unless they buy the latest laptop?

>>59647914
>support dropped three years out
Show me one 2014 Mac that can't run OS X 10.12.

>>59647914
Most Apple laptops don't survive 3 years anyway.
They aren't built to last.

>>59645660
>>59645688
>>59646483
>>59646483
>>59646517
>>59646884
>>59646952
This theme was discussed days ago in this thread.
>>59511410

So MacOS it is UNIX because it decends from *BSD.

>>59648258
OS X is Unix because it descends from BSD, it's UNIX because it's certified.

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The kernel is shit

>>59647930
I'll admit it is hyperbole.
Macbooks Mid 2009 unavailable
MacBook Pro Early 2010 unavailable
MacBook Air Mid 2010 unavailable
Mac mini Early 2010 unavailable
iMac Mid 2009 unavailable
Mac Pro Early 2010 unavailable
That's 7 years out at best.

Many software features are unavailable for newer versions as well. By this I do mean software that does not require additional hardware to run.
Apple Pay, AirDrop, PowerNap will not work for
MacBooks before 2015
MacBook Pro/Air/Mini/iMac before 2012
Mac Pro Mid-2013 and before
If you don't mind certain flagship features, or at least features they are keen on having on their features list, missing or nonworking then that's totally fine, I'm not sure how many people use Apple Pay anyways.

>>59648258
A Unix and UNIX are different things, their argument is pedantry.

>>59647878
I dunno anon, one of my friends bought a MBP and a few years later she came out gay.

>>59644890
Virtual desktops don't stay where I put them. If I'm on the 3rd desktop and Messages is on the first and I click on messages then it moves the 1st and 3rd desktops to be next to each other which is really fucking annoying.

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>>59648258
>>59648284
>>59648320
Here is the answer

>>59648450
You can't just throw a bunch of lines on an image and claim it's factual

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>>59644890
outside from the base UNIX
it was made by apple

>>59644890
Doesn't have a sound mixer that controls volume for each individual application so much for the most advance OS but can't do basic shit

>>59645991
Aside from cmd+`, if you swipe three fingers down it shows all open windows for the current application. Three fingers up all applications on current desktop.

MacOS has far finer control of such things than windows or linux.

>>59647553
Finder wasn't unreliable though.

OS 9 was much better than the Windows desktop OS's of the day.

>>59647701
>not knowing that Nextstep has been Unix since the 1980s because you're too young
wincucks and gnutards folks

>>59648977
Yeah it just crashed every 5 minutes.

>>59647932
moving the goalposts

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>>59649008
Look familiar?

>>59649008
No it didn't, you don't need to make shit up.

Clearly you've never even used the classic Mac OS's or you wouldn't say such retarded things.

>>59649041
I'm not calling Windows reliable.
But OS 9 somehow managed to be even worse.

It's the worst product Apple ever made.

>>59649046
Clearly you never used 9. It's the absolute worst of the classic Mac OS versions and even most Apple fans agree.

>>59649080
I used 9 for several years. The finder didn't crash except on a blue moon type occasion, maybe happened twice to me.

Perhaps the issue was people loading up with dodgy drivers, extensions, space doublers, etc.

>>59645037
Should have used GPL.

>>59649829
If they didn't want that to happen they would have. Not everyone takes it as an insult when a fortune 500 company uses their software.

>>59644890
It's gay as OP.

>>59644890

massive downgrade from 10.5.6 onward removing features and stability

>>59650246
What happened from 10.5.6 to 10.5.8 that was a downgrade?

>>59645438
I always use cmd+down arrow or cmd+return to open a file from Finder. Makes more sense to me when navigating directories.

>>59650262
Cmd+o works too

>>59645600
How does Finder not have decent thumbnails? You can determine what kind of file it is by the way the thumbnail looks, you can see whats inside the file by looking at the thumbnail. You can even play videos/songs in the thumbnail, without using Quick Look or opening it.

>>59650285
It's not how the thumbnails look, it's how it organizes them. If you have a ton of files and delete some in the middle, it leaves the gap. Clean up selection, it'll tile them perfectly but not fix the gap.

>>59644890
I was a happy mac user until I upgraded to lion. all when to shit when jobs died, so much changes he would NEVER have approved.

• can't turn off fullscreen mode
• fit window to screen is fucked
• options like 'always open 3rd party software' can't be permanently activated…
• … and get reset with every security update (wtf?!)
• they removed the option to install windows from a usb drive via boot camp when the device has a super drive, making it impossible to install on devices with broken drives
• can't turn off update reminder
• completely fucked power monitoring

they keep taking away liberties for reasons like stability and for keeping devices up to date, not knowing that most of professional users won't put up with getting treated like babies for much longer.

next computer won't be an apple, it was a nice ride and a good system but their time is over...

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>>59644890

>>59650362
I've never had the 3rd party software option unchecked, although I never used Lion. Seems to be good from Mavericks and up. Also you can avoid fullscreen mode by holding Opt when clicking the button. It's dumb, but it works.

>>59647932
Meanwhile my 2008 white Macbook still works perfectly.

>>59650435
I use El Capitan and can't go back or my MacBook will surely be corrupted. It's already on the verge of dying.

>Also you can avoid fullscreen mode by holding Opt when clicking the button
I know but I really don't need the feature, also many webapps abuse it to sneak aside the popup filter and it's still not fixed it's pathetic. just give me a fucking option to TURN IT OFF TOTALLY. I never ONCE used it on purpose and I never will!

>>59650323
Not really. What you're talking about is when a directory isn't sorted by automatically. You can enable this by pressing cmd + j and change the view options of that directory, to sort it automatically by a wide range of details. Once you delete an item in the middle, there's no need to run "Clean up".

It's funny how everyone disses on it because they encounter their own usecase ignorances.

Finder is Bob Saget

>>59645328
compositor != displayserver
quartz runs on top of x11

>>59650562
Quartz is the display server and compositor.
It does not run use X at all.

>>59650505
Why would I assume digging into Finder's preferences and selecting a sort option was any different than the fact that Finder already sorts shit? I mean, great, the fucking thing that's plagued me for a decade is over, but still don't act like it was right out in the open.

>>59650562
No, Quartz Compositor is both the display server and the compositor. The only time OS X will have X11 is if you install XQuartz, and even then it's just for X11 applications.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Quartz_Compositor
>Quartz Compositor is the display server (and at the same time the compositing window manager) in macOS.

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Multitasking grinds to a halt when you hold down the mouse button in the menu bar.
Older software doesn't deal well with 32-bit clean ROMs.
The sound manager changes in 7.1 were problematic. (7.1 - 7.5.2 was problematic in general.)
Having to manually set memory allocations is kind of annoying.

Mail.app will show itself whenever it experiences a connection error. I don't know if they fixed this bug yet. I just deleted mail.app and replaced it with thunderbird.
Keyboard input will sometimes freeze on certain, mostly older macbooks, and apple does not give one fuck (buy a new mac lol)
Samba support is actually broken and has been for nearly half a decade
HFS+
Itunes is garbage. Leave my shit alone, apple. If you use the cloud service it's double garbage and replaces your rare rips with amped up studio versions.
Clang
Outdated garbage for the shell (oh it's powerful real UNIX for developers, now enjoy vim 4.2 without native copy/paste support for OS X's native clipboard, so polished, just werks OOTB)
The way the graphical environment is completely separate from the terminal environment is completely retarded and limiting for linux users used to having it be a child of a terminal environment
Jony Ive is in court for the rape of millions of eyes

>>59648484
OS X window management is about on par with most linux shit, albeit less customizable, because most linux shit straight up copies it

>>59650362

He was around for lion but he wasn't too involved. I recall the 'back to the mac' keynote was fairly small and steve was on stage for a minute or so before that federighi faggot took over.

>>59650362
>• options like 'always open 3rd party software' can't be permanently activated…
shit like this is hidden in the (CLI only) defaults registry

kind of like gnome where you have to use dconf for all the "scary" options

so user friendly

>>59645336
This
How can this OS be repeatedly mentioned as good design?
With Apple its always form over function.
When you mention the obvious retardations, the faggots say "it's just a different way of doing things, you just gotta get used to it" or "you're just too stupid" (basically the standard answer whenever you ask an apple fag how to do things with their shitty, shitty os)
Its an os for normies who wouldnt miss anything if they used ChromeOS

>>59645390
Because you're used to it.
By that metric, windows would be the hands down winner in all aspects

>>59650896
Why are you assuming I've been using OS X all my life? This isn't some baby duck bullshit, I found out how great they are when I switched to OS X.

>>59645247
>- can't navigate to root directory
you can
>- can't use tabs
you can
>- can't show hidden files without a restart
you can
>- can't open a terminal in current location
you can
>- can't edit address bar
yeah
>- can't open files with one click or enter press
Macs don't even have Enter. Command-down is the Apple way
>- can't create an empty file IIRC
you can

>>59650934
>Macs don't even have Enter
Yes they do.

>>59650961
No they don't

>>59646232
Nice thank you.
So the alleged pinnacle of usability has countless key or key+mouse combinations you have remember in order to be remotely usable.
Great!

>>59650861
>obvious retardations
listen it's just the nextstep ui but greyish and with the menu bar at the top instead of floating

it's been practically the same since the 1980s

so you're a wincuck babby or something, who gives a shit

you don't even have any real criticisms, just complaining, but here's a (You) anyway

>>59650969
>you can plug any keyboard or mouse into a mac and it Just Werks
this has been true since they put USB on the imac like what, 20 years ago?

>>59650977
>have to remember
>as if this is any different from windows or a linux gui or whatever
they've been the same for 30 years, it's literally muscle memory for most users at this point

>>59650969
You're dumb
>inb4 b-b-but laptops
My PowerBook has an Enter key in addition to Return, and iirc Fn+Return is Enter

>>59650977
It's not that difficult, and once you learn them it makes life easier. Cmd+` cycle's a program's windows, Cmd+tab cycles programs, really not that hard to wrap your mind around. What are you doing on /g/?

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>>59651010
Forgot the image

>>59651010
It's an angry Pajeet, they can't figure out anything but Windows and Chrome OS.

>>59646287
Because you have to do research to find out how to do it. It hides an extremely frequently needed feature instead of just making it INTUITIVE. KNOW THAT WORD FAGGOT? YOUR KIND THROW IT AROUND WHENEVER THEY FUCKING CAN.

>>59651031
Forget to take your meds?

Spotlight botnet search

>>59651040
Spotlight's the best part about OS X

>>59651010
>>59651031

>>59644890
no games

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>>59650682
>Mail.app will show itself whenever it experiences a connection error. I don't know if they fixed this bug yet. I just deleted mail.app and replaced it with thunderbird.
fixed years ago

>Keyboard input will sometimes freeze on certain, mostly older macbooks, and apple does not give one fuck (buy a new mac lol)
never heard of this

>Samba support is actually broken and has been for nearly half a decade
install a different samba server or upgrade it if you're not happy, it's just Unix™ after all

also not broken, works for me

>HFS+
being replaced, never much worse than any windows filesystem

>Itunes is garbage. Leave my shit alone, apple. If you use the cloud service it's double garbage and replaces your rare rips with amped up studio versions.
you can turn all that shit off and if you let itunes manage your library it is perfect

also it has the best mp3 and aac encoders you can get

>Clang
superior to bloated gnushit

>Outdated garbage for the shell (oh it's powerful real UNIX for developers, now enjoy vim 4.2 without native copy/paste support for OS X's native clipboard, so polished, just werks OOTB)
if you're using vim you can certainly figure out how to upgrade it on your system

>The way the graphical environment is completely separate from the terminal environment is completely retarded and limiting for linux users used to having it be a child of a terminal environment
yes the terminal and gnome are magically integrated

anyway you can open files from the command line, control xcode, submit jobs to various other programs, configure the gui from the command line, on and on, you just have to read the manual

>Jony Ive is in court for the rape of millions of eyes
pic related

don't get me wrong i'm a long time apple user (since before you were born kid) and I have my gripes but yours are all just laughable

I still wish I had arbitrary scaling of the UI, the capability is there and everything and you can toggle it with a developer tool

>>59651031
press that one key
expose reveals all windows
click on it

OR

open windows menu and select the window you like

OR

right click on the dock icon and select the window you like

OR

use the key combination

OR

define your own

I mean what the fuck

>you have to look up a key combination

this is the weakest complaint, boiled down it's

>mac os isn't windows

pathetic

>>59651071
Oh no, you actually have to learn how to use something new? The fucking horror! Don't forget that nobody's forcing you to use keybindings, I'm just suggesting it because it is superior. What's up with all these retards who refuse to learn how to use technology on a technology board?

>>59645247
>open a terminal in current location
you literally can though, you've always been able to do this since Rhapsody.

I mean Mac OS has always even gone out of its way to teach and show you the keyboard shortcuts in the menus.

There is literally no excuse for not learning them.

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>>59651128
This

>every time in an apple thread autists and shills trot out old or inaccurate fake news about os x
>they can't even figure out how to read the documentation which comes with the OS or even look at the keyboard shortcuts shown in the very menus themselves
the current state of anti-apple shilling

>>59651143
Maximize window with opt+maximize, where do they show that?

>>59650505
this has worked the same for 30 years by the way on the mac

even the apple iigs worked the same

>>59651154
Nobody said OS X shows literally everything, it's certainly better than any other OS at it though and you're still complaining that it's worse. Here you are complaining that it's hard to use and I bet you're one of the guys who spouts shit like lol macbabby xDDD

>>59646069
well, the fsf licence says you cant use it in bundles either. so if they did that, apple would half to let you install the os yourself

>>59651143
you can even push option and see the options change when the menu's dropped down

some autistic functions hidden in applications there

>>59651109
the game boy > ipad generation

it's a wonder they can use a computer at all, in fact it's probably a phone poster

i love searching for windows under a bunch of other windows.
oh you clicked the x button? well the apps is not closed anyway fuck you

>>59651174
xDD
So it's intuitive after all?
Oh no right.

>>59651202
It's a close window button, not a close program button. Cmd+Q is for that
>inb4 but it doesn't work like Windows
Apple's operating systems have worked this way since before Windows existed.

>>59651205
What a quality retort. You must've put quite some time into that.

>>59651202
>the apps is not closed

>worrying about whether or not a program is still open or not in the era of demand-paged virtual memory systems and multiple gigabytes of memory
on the other hand, maybe you want to close all open documents but leave the application ready?

with windows or linux you don't even have this option

>>59645314
it's a violation of their to to install it on any other hardware.

>>59651214
>Cmd+Q
So another key combination for one of the most basic things.
>intuitive
>easy to use

>>59651222
>they don't feel the need to support their OS on other companies' Wintel hardware
>yet Windows runs great on Macs
it's sour grapes, they want OS X except for their games, Mac users get this by default by pirating Windows

buy a mac pajeet, it will cost two hundred goats but it is worth it

>>59651214
>Apple's operating systems have worked this way since before Windows existed.

i bet it was adequate in 1989 but not in 2017

>>59651202
>oh you clicked the x button? well the apps is not closed anyway fuck you
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Imprinting_(psychology)#Baby_duck_syndrome

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>>59651228
>intuitive
it literally shows you this and has worked the same since before you were born

it doesn't get any more intuitive

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>>59651228
You can still use the mouse. You can do it from the dock too.

>>59651245
I fail to see what the year has to do with this. It was great then and it's great now.

>>59651246
well my family was p much into commodore back then, the first gui i've ever learned is workbench.

not everyone started on windows xp

>>59651245
Its all about the backwards compatibility. The same compatibility that makes you have to update xcode (1.4gig download, almost an hour to install) because your iPhone had a minor version upgrade

>>59651257
>not killing your os x programs from the terminal

>>59651270
>backwards compatibility
for what, they've dropped support for ppc osx long time ago

>>59651274
Why would I do that when I can just press two keys?

>>59651270
>avoiding the android versioning hell is a bad thing

>>59651245
>a keyboard shortcut working the same for 33 years is a bad thing
really what is the problem? how would changing it to alt-f4 or whatever improve the user experience?

people expect these decisions to stick and they do

>>59651283
that's terrible when im on a one hand operation when im fapping

>>59651253
>it doesn't get any more intuitive than doing multiple clicks or remembering a key combination
How about a button?

>>59651283
just pointing out that there are many many ways to deal with os x

also what if you're not there but just logged in remotely with ssh?

>>59651300
>what if you're not there but just logged in remotely with ssh?
Then of course I'd use the CLI to kill applications

>>59651288
>android versioning hell
Literally never had a problem with it.
You specify which versions you want your software to work with and your ide does the work

>>59651299
Why would you want a button on an application's child window to control the quit behavior of the application itself?

One errant click and you haven't just closed the document, but the entire application. It's a poor choice for user interface. Why would you want such a poorly thought out mistake-in-waiting to be always haunting you on every window?

>>59651291
You a lefty or something?

>>59651318
>Literally never had a problem with it.
Probably because you're not an Android developer, they constantly have problems with it.

You can search online and find millions of gripes about it.

>>59651241
>costs 200 goats
>le paki may may
nice ad hominem

I've owned a mac. I disliked the fact that everything was rigid and frozen in time.

I built my own computer. If I'm feeling outdated, I can go spend my money on a new processor, then sell the old one. If you feel outdated and a system update doesn't fix the problem, you get to go buy another fucking computer.
also:
>wintel hardware
don't tell me you thought apple was using proprietary chips

>>59651321
righty actually.
i've learned thru the years to masturbate with my left hand so i can use my mouse freely

>>59644890
1. creepy logo
2. everything

>>59651342
>everything was rigid and frozen in time

how is this true? windows keyboard shortcuts have been frozen in time as well

>>59651372
>i don't like it
>therefore it's rigid and frozen in time

>>59651326
I actually am and there only is a problem if you want to use a very new feature (for which there are backwards compatible libraries)
Tell me this isn't the exact same thing in ios.
You can't use an ios 10 feature in ios 9.

>>59651342
>If I'm feeling outdated, I can go spend my money on a new processor, then sell the old one.
Why wouldn't you do this with a Mac?

If you buy a laptop with a soldered CPU you can't upgrade it yourself but non-Mac Ultrabook type laptops all have this issue, almost no models let you change the CPU any more.

You can change the CPU on other Macs though.

>>59651372
I meant as far as hardware goes. My mac's i5 burned out. After opening it I was delighted to find that everything was soldered down to the board.

I dont know about you, but I personally dont want to reball a processor.

>>59651387
good luck changing the mobo for that new kikesocket on that trashcan mac pro

>>59651409
>everything was soldered down to the board
so you get a new board, if it's an older mac it's probably like $30 or so off ebay

this would be an issue with any other computer in a similar form factor

>>59651387
>soldered cpu
that's not an issues because you're right
>soldered ram and ssd
ohboyohboy

>>59651387
not true. only imacs before 2013 are upgradeable. anything newer is soldered.

>>59651412
>changing the mobo
Literally why would you want to do this?

>buys non-standard form factor computer
>waaah can't change the motherboard to a standard form factor
lol

>>59651422
>>soldered cpu
>that's not an issues because you're right
>>soldered ram and ssd
>ohboyohboy
Same as any other laptop that thin these days...

>>59651423
So don't buy a computer without an upgradeable CPU if you don't want one?

Anyway Intel's barely made progress in years so it's a non starter.

>>59651428
>buys non-standard form factor computer
>buy a macpro
ftfy

because after 5 years im not going to upgrade my i5 2400 to a i7 2600
i'll want the latest shit, i can even choose wether i go amd or intel.

>>59651442
so you want a mac pro which will let you put an intel or an amd processor in?

are you claiming to have a motherboard where you can do this already?

i don't understand your argument

>>59651438"
rarely the case on any 15" laptops even on 13"
you'll have a minipcie for m2 ssds and the majority will still have sata 3

>>59651456
>rarely the case on any 15" laptops even on 13"
i said, as thin

with thin laptops everything's soldered and has been for years

sure the creaky plastic heaps of shit from asus or lenovo have upgradeable Sata SSDs topkek

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>>59651454
aint taking the bait

>>59651438
if I buy something and it breaks after warranty, I'd rather buy a component and fix it on the fly rather than pay through the nose for Apple or some shady refurbishing company to do it for me. if anything on my home brewed pc breaks I just replace the component whenever I want.

>>59651468
t. manlet

I will summarize the butthurt anti-Apple arguments ITT:

>keyboard shortcuts different from windows
>the finder doesn't work exactly like windows explorer
>the idea of quitting a program is different from closing a window and this is too complicated to handle
>a bunch of inaccurate complaints which aren't even true
>certain unix software isn't the right version even though the right version is available in macports or brew
>you can't upgrade a computer which you can't upgrade (all computers you can't upgrade have this issue)

It's funny, all this talk and not one valid complaint.

I complained to Apple about iTunes not quitting automatically if users were connected and the Apple bros fixed it.

>>59651475
>if I buy something and it breaks after warranty, I'd rather buy a component and fix it on the fly rather than pay through the nose for Apple or some shady refurbishing company to do it for me
so purchase the proper component, you can open the computer and replace the components yourself

with any similar form factor computer you're probably replacing the whole board these days anyway, big deal

>>59651479
I have Thinkpads and Macs. Why limit yourself to one computer, are you poor?

>>59651502
you've got it its all opinions, pros and cons about anything are mostly opinions because most people are able to accomodate in any environment with times.

>>59651502
You forgot that one can't be installed on other hardware.

Also, there isn't really a reason they need to prevent people from upgrading their machines. It makes sense on the MacBooks, but the iMacs? It's a cash bottleneck.

>>59651532
You can't upgrade iMacs anymore? Everything's socketed on mine.

>>59651031
>extremely frequently needed feature
I don't get it - why are you autistically obsessed with whether or not an application is open?

If it's not being used the kernel takes care pf swapping it out if necessary, or even de-references pages it loaded from disk.

This isn't fucking Windows, the Mac uses BSD-style demand paged virtual memory and so this literally is never ever a problem.

>>59651515
It's better to be able to buy just a processor rather than a new board. If you're upgrading, your argument is justified. The only problem is that macs aren't to be upgraded, and as such only accommodate one model of motherboard.

>>59651532
>there isn't really a reason they need to prevent people from upgrading their machines
They don't want to support non-factory configurations. It probably saves them considerable money each year, not having to worry about different motherboards, CPUs, and so on in customer configurations.

Also yeah it makes money but let's face it, people don't really upgrade their desktop or laptop frequently any more, and haven't for years. A normie will use it until the battery goes and buy a new one, and with Apple's really nice battery tech (their batteries can bypass high resistance cells and the computers have a wide range voltage converter) which is patented, their batteries are getting to thousands of cycles with 80%+ capacity now, much more if you take proper care of your battery.

This tech made its first appearance in the original iPad, and I still have mine, and the battery still lasts for days of typical use.

>>59651538
The memory and storage are the only core components that are socketed, iirc

>>59651540
Alt tab

>>59651559
>It's better to be able to buy just a processor rather than a new board.
Sure, but as with any similar form factor computer these days, that's simply not an option.

>>59651582
What if you want to alt-tab to an open application and open a file or create a new one or even just browse the help?

Why wouldn't you want to alt-tab to a running program?

>>59651594
Because I closed it

It's funny, people who clearly never used OS X have complicated and often outdated lists of griped about it, mainly centered around the fact that it isn't Windows.

Pretty obvious shilling, seeing as how these same gripes come out in every Mac thread.

>>59651585
Did you not read what I said? I was saying that if you replace the same one, you shouldn't need a new board. If a non soldered processor is trashed you can snap another into place. It's upgrading that justifies a new mobo.

>>59651601
If you quit a program it wouldn't show up in alt-tab.

>>59651620
Yes but you're ignoring the fact that any similar form factor computer these days has the same issue.

>buys non-socketed computer
>complains when he can't change cpu
doctor it hurts when i do this

>>59651625
Or I didn't even open it

>>59651075
it has dwarf fortress

>>59651636
That's the thing though. Outside of laptops, they shouldn't solder them. It's impractical and makes repairs more expensive for the user AND manufacturer.

>>59651652
If you didn't open a program it wouldn't be running and you wouldn't have this issue.

>>59651662
Yeah right... ITunes, photos... Never opened that shit

>>59651658
>they shouldn't solder them. It's impractical and makes repairs more expensive for the user AND manufacturer.

This is a business decision and I agree with you but it's not an actual issue that has practical consequences. So you buy a $30 board in a couple years if you need to repair your rig, instead of a $20 cpu.

Intel's been going nowhere fast for a decade so getting more speed is a laughable reason to upgrade.

>>59651674
If you never opened them, they aren't running, so it's impossible to have a problem with alt-tabbing between them.

You sound like a Hillary voter.

>>59651683
They open themselves when I plug in the iPhone
Was able to Deactivate photos, but not itunes

>>59651691
That's because you have automatic sync enabled.

>>59651691
>not turning off the various automatic options
all that shit can be turned off anon, if you can't figure out how just type in the relevant phrase into the system preferences search bar

another instance of RTFM and PEBKAC

>>59651678

I'm going off topic here.

You may be right about the lack of recent progress on intel's part, but that's because they have the mentality that they need to fit everything on such a small chip. If you look at a xeon phi, they fit a badass little supercomputer into a block the size of a GPU. Its nice to have things in small packages, but when you get to the limit of innovation at a feasible price, it's time to expand on what is available for a while. Imagine if they got windows compatible 50+ core 4Ghz windows ready processors for under 500 dollars. As long as compatible motherboards could be developed, to make it all function, the could change the market.

>>59651761
>You may be right about the lack of recent progress on intel's part, but that's because they have the mentality that they need to fit everything on such a small chip.
I think it started with the datacenter fixation, and the mobile device fixation, and collided.

However you must admit that we're headed toward a SoC APU type future where anything resembling a motherboard will just be some power management circuitry and breakouts for connectors. Any CPU looking thing will really be a tiny motherboard in a package (or package on package).

>If you look at a xeon phi, they fit a badass little supercomputer into a block the size of a GPU. Its nice to have things in small packages, but when you get to the limit of innovation at a feasible price, it's time to expand on what is available for a while.
I think we hit this point years ago, a typical normal person has no use for anything other than a dual-core whatever with a couple GB RAM and typical onboard graphics, and could make due with less if his Windows OS wasn't such a pig.

I use a 2006-era Thinkpad X40 for all kinds of stuff even including watching HD video without issue but I use Debian Linux on it so it's much more efficient than if it was running a modern Windows.

>Imagine if they got windows compatible 50+ core 4Ghz windows ready processors for under 500 dollars. As long as compatible motherboards could be developed, to make it all function, the could change the market.
What's the point? Normies have two cores and they sit at 80% idle even when they're doing intensive things, for them. How much faster than nearly instantaneous do things need to be? We're there already.

If you're into the latest 3D games, or are doing mathematical computation, or a couple meme tasks which 99.999% of computer users will only rarely or never engage in, why do we need faster anything?

Apple put a teeny tiny 1.2 GHz fanless 2 core CPU in the Macbook and people are snatching them up. Good enough.

>>59651811
>when the market evolves and any normie can cheaply simulate their own fucking planet for testing government structures so we revolutionize fucking everything

Meme tasks indeed, friend.

>>59651850
For most computer users, they are complete meme tasks.

Believe it or not most people will never compile software, rip a DVD themselves, write shells scripts to perform complicated on-disk transformations using their Unix command line, or anything like that, ever.

Most computer users could be provided with a Raspberry Pi running an interface which looks and behaves like Windows XP and they would be happy for the rest of their lives. This is all the CPU and memory they will ever need unless Javascript keeps bloating (it will).

In fact a Raspberry Pi is significantly more powerful than the IBM Power servers which provided computer services to my entire University in the 1990s, over 30,000 users often with thousands active at any time. This included hundreds of computer science students compiling their homework at any given instant.

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>>59645247
>can't use tabs

that's a plus

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>>59651904
but you can

>>59651915
so it actually sucks

tabs are a huge meme

>>59651924
>can use tabs
>don't have to
I don't understand the problem. Many people like tabs, for those who don't, you simply never invoke the 'create new tab' function and you will never have this issue.

>>59651904
also
>not using a tiny tiny dock

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>>59651946
>not not using the dock

>>59650592
Because icon view usually by default is sorted automatically. You have to turn it off manually.

>>59651946
>>59651953
the size of the dock isn't going to make it better

>>59650961
It's called return. It has different functionality than enter.

>>59652008
I'm well aware of what Return is. See >>59651010 >>59651027

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>>59651973
>>59651965

I like the Dock, it works just like in Nextstep more or less, but with added functionality.

My wife also uses a Mac (macbook white 2009 which she got new) and puts the dock on the right, just like classic Nextstep.

I like having the dock on the bottom for some reason. I use it like a combination Dock and Shelf (if you remember the Shelf from Nextstep).

>>59651850
>simulate their own fucking planet for testing government structures
what did he mean by this?

>>59651154
That's not a key combination. That's clicking + a modifier. The zoom option youre refering to is available under Window in the Menu Bar, with its corresponding keyboard shortcut.

>>59651202
>oh you clicked the x button? well the app is not closed anyway
Just like in Windows. The apps go to system tray, well, some do, since Windows' design is inconsistent.

>>59650614
>Multitasking grinds to a halt when you hold down the mouse button in the menu bar.
u-uhh look over there
actually this was only true for certain uhh

hey look over there
>Older software doesn't deal well with 32-bit clean ROMs.
My Mac SE/30 has updated 32-bit ROMs, checkmate.

>The sound manager changes in 7.1 were problematic. (7.1 - 7.5.2 was problematic in general.)
>being too poor to pay for the 7.6 update

>Having to manually set memory allocations is kind of annoying.
it's the best for the true mac power user

>>59644890
Practically nothing until the last few years of horrific hardware design decisions

>>59651228
>>59651245
>They give us more control over our OS? Fuck that, I only like the way Windows works.

>>59652111
>it's the best for the true mac power user
This and checked

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>tfw it's 1994 and you want to input Japanese into your computer and you don't have a macintosh
still fucking sucks ass on windows to this day

>>59652034
http://www.asktog.com/columns/044top10docksucks.html

>>59652132
It's vestigial, though. In this day of SSDs and multiple-core multi-GHz processors the time it takes to launch an application is minimal.

In the old Classic days, when launching an application could be a multi-minute process for some huge bloated piece of crap like Code Warrior, possibly from floppies, it made sense to allow the user to keep the application in memory without quitting.

These days most Macs could probably auto-launch every installed program at login and probably the computer would still have plenty of RAM free without the kernel's memory pressure causing page de-referencing, memory compression, or swapping to disk. Cocoa applications are mostly using the built-in library functions provided by the core services, and they all run off the same copy in memory. Basically it's documents that take up memory, or other non-Cocoa applications' frameworks.

>>59652213
>linking to an article
I like the dock, they add functionality over time, etc. As I said above, I liked the Shelf and the Dock way back in the Nextstep days.

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>>59652142
the good old days

he's gone now

>>59652248
F

>>59644914
Can't cut and paste

>>59652292
Cmd+C, Cmd+Opt+V

>>59652235
>These days most Macs could probably auto-launch every installed program at login and probably the computer would still have plenty of RAM free without the kernel's memory pressure causing page de-referencing, memory compression, or swapping to disk.
That has to be bait. One of the best things about OS X is being able to run intensive audio/video software solidly. Why the fuck would you let everything run on start up in any OS?

>>59648320
>tfw 2008 MacBook stuck on an OS without security updates
>tfw 2008 MacBook uses shitty BroadCom wireless so that I couldn't get wireless working on Linux and FreeBSD

>>59651154
>hold down option with menu open
>menu entries change to display new options and keyboard shortcuts are updated

>>59652300
Since 2016

>>59652350
An mPCIe Wi-Fi card is like $5

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>>59652371
>it can't do it
>well it can, but still
Are you literally twelve?

>>59652336
>Why the fuck would you let everything run on start up in any OS?
Because most applications are Cocoa applications these days and they're all basically just a bit of glue and special sauce but mainly Cocoa libraries, which are going to be loaded to support the Finder and other stuff anyway.

When you launch an application (or use a library) on OS X it's only pulling the pages needed from the disk anyway. You should read pic related, the memory model's not exactly new.

You can't anticipate how much RAM an application will use by looking at the size of the application bundle, or even the executable files and other included resources inside the bundle. The OS is only loading the necessary pages of the necessary files from disk, on demand and probably caching others intelligently (I'm not sure how this works on OS X any more but could find out). Once they're all loaded the programs which don't run for a while will be compressed in memory (assuming free cycles or sufficient memory pressure) and then swapped out or dereferenced if there is more memory pressure.

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>>59652336
read pic related

>>59652495
pages will be dereferenced i meant to say

and obviously the kernel keeps track of which ones are safe to defreference

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>>59652286
He came back.

>>59652396
Yes. And I lived 11 years without cut & paste.

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>>59644890
Mac user here

>Window management is annoying
>Expanding windows never work as expected
>Fullscreen mode is useless
>Core Animation is gay
>No shortcut to create an empty file
>No shortcut to open context menu on selected file

All I can think of right now.
Also while I appreciate the fact that Apple has kept the UX relatively consistant over the years, I wouldn't mind them "innovating" the dock a bit. It just feels pretty dated

>>59652656
Enjoy your ban. And that's irrelevant, it has it now.

>>59644959
>mfw you're right
> >>59645267

How do people think an older Unix computer running with thousands of users simultaneously managed to keep going?

Don't people understand demand paged virtual memory? It was a huge deal back in what, the 1960s.

OS X uses the BSD-style process, memory, filesystem, etc. models, it doesn't work like Windows. Linux has of course adopted most of these models and I believe Research Unix did too. Thanks to Dan Cross and Bell Labs, v10 Research Unix's source was just released (yesterday) and I'm hoping to look at some software including Writer's Workbench, the Unix Circuit Layout Tool, and other advanced fun stuff, but I believe it may have adopted several BSD type modifications as well.

http://www.tuhs.org/Archive/Distributions/Research/Dan_Cross_v10/

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>>59652691
checkmate

at&t did copy bsd after all these years, we got 'em

hahahahahahahahahaaaaa

>>59644890
You'll have to set memory manually for every program if they need more than the default settings

>>59645296
apple doesn't care about cups for other oses

>>59652753
>still works great on freebsd and linux anyway
why do they have to care? they made it and it works great

you can even use it on windows

As someone who loves the system

>Lack of games generally, even loonix is better
>No fucking around with the desktop environment because it's locked like fuck, can't change fonts without having some bugs here or there
>Finder merge and replace file behavior still kinda fucking with me
>A bit slower overall than both Windows 10 and Loonux, fairly noticeable when opening programs
>Most applications it has by default are pretty good but they always have a big flaw (iTunes doesn't support .flac, Pages doesn't have basic functionality like fucking selecting different sections from a paragraph)

Aside from that it's cool

>>59652905
I agree apart from
>A bit slower overall than both Windows 10 and Loonux, fairly noticeable when opening programs
Os X is designed for decent video/audio. It's amazing being able to trust your os to hold that down. If you are not creative why even bother

>>59652235
Why would you want to load everything at launch? That would still require a lot of resources, it would also be a waste of battery life. And absolutely not necessary since macOS loads in frequently used files/apps to the memory either way, so that when you need it, it can instantly launch, and if something else needs that memory, it can quickly be written over.

I have to open system preferences to let anything from an unknown developer install.
Does anyone know how to fix this? theres not an option in system preferences

>>59652359
>saying it like it's a good thing

I have to change wallpapers manually if I want a different one.

>>59644890
Its users are fucking butthurt faggots.

>>59647714
>El Crapitan
kek

>>59644890
For me:

>no window management hot corners
>no touch support because they don't want to kill the iPad meme
>surprisingly high reliance on keyboard shortcuts even though it prides itself on being simple
>you need third-party software for shit I just assumed was expected functionality after using Windows and Linux

With these annoyances and having literally no reason to use it over Fedora, I honestly just don't consider it relevant. At face value it's pretty much just a stable distro with a really fucking shitty (albeit pretty) DE.

I like the top menu though. It should be more common outside of macOS and Ubuntu.

>>59656208
>no window management hot corners
they literally invented this
>no touch support because they don't want to kill the iPad meme
>what is magic mouse

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>>59657719
>t. mactoddler

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>>59657755

>>59657798
>just do all this extra bullshit instead of using a real OS with a real taskbar that lets you switch with a single click

Mactoddlers will defend anything.

>>59657719
When I said window management hot corners I meant window snapping, sorry. Push a window to the top to maximize, left, right and corners to snap, etc.

>>59657854

hey its that mactoddler guy, guess its time to abandon thread

>>59658019
well windows didn't have it standard until 10

I'm sure there's software for it if you really need it

thanks to a lot of things, hardware is mostly homogenized and standard. os x was a fine alternative to xp and shit hardware back in the day, but things have changed. even non-freetards can get most benefits from a Linux laptop with steam, chrome, and cloud shit.