rx580/570 leak - rebranded oc rx480/470

>>59641829
Yeah everyone knew that. Vega is going to be branded Vega.

>>59641829
Nice! 1070 performance at last

AMD is only a year late.

>>59641870
Autism: the post

>>59641870
>rebranded product
>literally the same shit
>(you)"a year late"

oh boy I see why you score so bad in those IQ tests

>>59641900
Don't worry. I'm sure we'll get 1080 Ti performance from AMD by late 2019.

Not AMD fag but
why would you need more than a 1070 at the moment?
Even an RX 480 is fine for 1080p and even 1440p.
The 1080ti with 4K won't be full 60fps with games this year and next year plus
it's an overkill for 1440p or 1080p.
Can some gaymer explain this?
Or do you faggots spend $700 a year on a high-end GPU for the 4k meme.

Where's Volta?

>>59642052
gamers are shallow and uncreative creatures and upgrading their computer is their sole form of expression

>>59642052
Gotta go HAM on the VR meme

>>59642052
>b-but my crutch video card is enough
No, it's not. 480 is already laughable, and resolutions are going up.

>>59642145
Read the 1070 part dumbass.
4K is nowhere near close to becoming a standard.
1440p has a higher chance.

>>59642145
>m-muh gaymes

>>59642183
I don't think you know what standard means, kill yourself you mouthbreathing insect.

>>59642183
>4K is nowhere near close to becoming a standard.

Who gives a fuck what normie standards are? If I listened to normie standards I'd be using a 1080p monitor still even though I moved pasted that resolution 8 years and a half years ago.

This is PCs, not TVs. I don't have software that caps at 1080p, and I don't play shit (usual Jap trash) games that have resolution caps either. There is no "standard"

AYYMD STOPPED PRETENDING THEIR HOUSEFIRES IS 150W TDP, TOP KEK

ENJOY YOUR 225W HOUSEFIRES, AYYMDPOORFAGS

>>59642226
Enjoy your 29fps solitaire and 4k resolution :^)

>>59642200
>using kill yourself unironically
Trying to be relevant huh?

>>59642096

No need to release it because the competition is a generation behind and when they catch up momentarily they still can't compete with top 3 cards available.

>Introducing the RX580, 1070 performance, 1 year later.

>>59642278
Yes, because Intel and ARM in the HPC space don't exist.

No seriously, where Volta?

>>59642200
>>>/v/

>>59641829
8 pin

Nice. Give it a vapor chamber in the blower and it'll be a sweet card

>>59642305

probably Q4 or Q1 '18. nvidia has a pretty consistent 18-20 month release cadence. pascal hasn't even been out a year yet.

>>59642278
>With 4GB of VRAM

>>59642377
honestly, there's no point to upgrade between architectures if it doesn't come with a die shrink.

Kepler and Maxwell were the same. Pascal last year was a worthy entry/upgrade point because of the die shrink. So if Volta keeps using 14nm, I don't see why bother upgrading when Pascal is perfectly fine.

>>59642278
The RX580 is basically a slightly overclocked RX 480.

It won't get anywhere near a 1070, as usual with AMD.

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>>59641829

Well, we are waiting....

>>59642438
I thought Vega was going to be RX 580 and the Polaris refresh would be RX 485?

>>59643135
Vega is called RX Vega, no number.

>>59642052

>why would you need more than a 1070 at the moment?
>why would someone want to do something DIFFERENT than I, myself, ME?!?!?
>I literally, LITERALLY, don't understand how anyone could be running different hardware or doing different things than me

Go and fucking kill yourself.

>>59641829

It was never a secret, you dunce

>>59643135
>I thought Vega was going to be RX 580
You've spent too much time on plebbit.

>>59643212
>That projection

amd about to show what Real power is..

>autists sperg over companies cutting costs on production of cutting edge tech
>meanwhile 10 year old budget ATI card is enough
Enjoy your >10fps placebo

>>59643174
See
>>59642275
And what I state are logical reasons for the average consumer dumbass.
Not your typical NEET 'gaymer'.

>>59641870
>>59642278
>>59642438
When will people learn that a GTX 1070 is 40% bigger and 60% more expensive than a RX 480/580?
They are not competing products.

>>59643285

For GPUs there's no 'average' consumer you dumb fuck.

>>59642052
I spent 1200 on the 4k meme and I've gotta say it's a very clear and crisp meme.

I'll never fully utilize the Titan Xp but, who cares hahahahahahahahahaha

>>59642052
Some of us don't want a "good enough" gaymin experience. I want 1440p at 120fps minimum.

>>59642052
i have 1080p display but i just enjoy the feeling that my 1080ti will crush absolutely any fucking game.

>>59642052
The 480 is definitely not enough for 60fps+ 1440p.

>>59642052
>The 1080ti with 4K won't be full 60fps with games this year and next year plus

Speak for yourself. My fucking 7970 can get 40FPS in Overwatch on high settings. The 1080Ti is supposed to be 2-3x as fast.

>>59644606
(on 4k that is)

>>59644606
>Overwatch
Yeah a CPU-heavy game. Good one bud. Try running a GPU intensive game for a proper benchmark.

>>59644621
>CPU-heavy
my 2500k is barely using 30% on all cores

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>>59644762
That's fine. The point is Overwatch isn't taxing on your GPU at all. It's not a relevant benchmarrk for 4k gaming in general.

>>59641829
I'm going full AMD next year, RX 580 is still an upgrade from my ancient GTX 680.

>>59643321
They say that because they know it beats the 1060, so its the only way they can win.

>>59641926
It's ok when Nvidia does

>>59644935
>be /v/irgin
>go to /g/ with your shitposting memes
>don't even get it right

>>59643375
Or better said, the most logical buy that is actually worth the money of the consumer.

>>59642052
>60fps

try 120min. i dont want anything less since its not the 00s anymore.

>tfw want to buy AMD Stock but know it's just a matter of time before Intel knocks them back down into the gutter.

What's my time frame /g/?

>>59645215
Half a year when they re re release skylake with 15% higher clocks

>>59644828
Ok I see. Honestly I didn't really keep up with most recent AAA games.

My 7970 has been doing good work even with my 4k screen. I'm planning on replacing it with a 1080 or a 1080Ti though, so I can play OW with 100% render scale. It's just the most demanding game I have though lol

>>59645215
You missed the AMD rallye. Might get + or - 20% within the next year, but nothing drastic. The launches don't directly influence the market value. They have been gaining steadily simply in anticipation of Zen for the last year when all they had was the RX 480

Will the 480's become cheaper?

>>59645273
for the love of god don't play a competitve shooter on 4k meme resolution especially when you can't even get 10 fps retarded nigger
>>59645395
you can hope for a sale on remaining rx480s but the 580s will probably quickly replace the 480s, especially since it's really just a more mature rebrand.

Will it be worth upgrading from 1050 Ti to 480 once it gets a price slash?

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>>59645266
Nah Intel claims Coffee Lake has up to 15% more performance than Kaby Lake. But we know they'll have a mainstream hexcore SKU. 15% more performance with a hexcore vs a 7700K points to a clock of around 3.4-3.6ghz.

Lord knows what it'll overclock to, but if it uses the same amount of power as Kaby you're looking at around 300 watt 5ghz and 210 watt for 4.4ghz.

Compare to Ryzen.

>>59641829
Literally nobody is surprised.

Vega is AMD's last chance and everybody knows it.
Hell, Vega was their only chance last year, and they just kept things in a holding pattern by not releasing anything but Polaris then.

>>59646390

They've been in a game of chicken with Nvidia for the past year. They've just been getting sucker punched by nvidia stealing the wind from their sails every time they announce something.

About time they start fighting back.

>>59646390
GPUs can't be released on a whimsy. They take multiple years to go from paper to product. Vega especially due to it being a new architecture. The first ideas for it probably date back to 2011.

>>59644579
It is for the shit games I play

>>59644579
It is, you just don't stick everything on ultra like a fucking idiot when the difference usually isn't even noticeable when compared to high and the performance cost is huge.

>>59641829
The 500 series will likely hit 1500mhz on average

>>59646390
AMD has a super limited budget, would be impossible to do polaris and Vega at the same time, especially waiting on yields

>>59646983
pleb

>>59646390
Ryzen doin great, Vega is that pajeet last chance before getting fired

>>59646115
great, so 6cores are gonna be supported by games then. i'm going to buy a R5 1600 now for sure

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>GTX 1080 sales left and right at the moment
>import costs consistently rising
>new electronics tax taking effect before even stock vega cards gets released

I feel like I wont ever get a deal as good as the one I am looking at right now, but at the same time I want to stay in the Freesync ecosystem. Fuck.

Should I bite or wait?

>>59647556
yes yes, sell your freesync monitor, buy a g-sync one and a gtx 1080

>>59642230
>spending more on a gpu because it uses a lightbulb less worth of electricity
>autism

>>59642052
No fucking compromises.
I want to play everything mced out at 1440p.

>>59647556
Vega is made in AMERICA

>>59645215
Should have bought it last year
>tfw buying 300 stocks at $2

>>59641829
>wccftech

>>59643212
Stay off of plebbit at all costs

Ryzen is supposed to unlock it's 20 other cores and beat any CPU on the market for the next 20 years.

The RX480 has another 50 CUs waiting to be unlocked with Finewine™ and beat the 1280 ti.

>>59648802
shitpostintg skill +1

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>>59649622

With the new 14nm FinFET LPP on board, the Polaris 10 GPU will be rebranded as the Polaris 20, and Polaris 11 will be known as Polaris 21. While you shouldn’t expect to see any IPC improvements, the enhanced process will enable slightly higher clock speeds at lower power consumption.
>RX 5KABY

How big is the OC?
Was it 1450MHz where it's at Fury levels?
I'd buy one if they remained cheap.

so is AMD gonna make something to compete with the GTX 1070/1080/1080ti?
or are they just focusing on cpus this time around for the next 3-5 years?

>>59641829
Jesus Christ that comment section.
It's the same autism in this shitty board. Why don't you all leave?

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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UtyaGppWknE

>>59649919
rx470/570 vs 1060 3 GB
rx480/580 vs 1060 6 GB
vega 11 vs 1070
vega 10 vs 1080 non ti

>>59644896
too bad it doesn't beat it, it competes most of the time however.

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>>59642052
>why would you need more than a 1070 at the moment?
It's not that I need, it's that I want. I'd love to own a Titan X or whatever workstation-tier graphics card in my machine
t. nvidiafag

>>59641829
Why are AMD drones so stupid, why do they fall for this every single time.

>>59649919
>>59649948
Vega 10 is a 500-550 mm^2 chip with 512 GB/s bandwidth and 12-13 TFLOPS (fp32, with ~25 TFLOPS fp16).

There is no way it's not competing with TXP/1080 Ti (470 mm^2, ~480 GB/s, 10-11 TFLOPS) instead of 1080 (314 mm^2, 320 GB/s, 8-9 TFLOPS).

Earlier demo benchmarks are clearly low-clocked engineering samples or similar, or else AMD wouldn't even bother trying to market it as a gaming product.

>>59646548
not new, but fully reworked it seems, still the same backbone as gcn but without the gcn saturation issues.

>>59647059
>AMD has a super limited budget, would be impossible to do polaris and Vega at the same time, especially waiting on yields

no, the issue is amd hard lining it has to be hbm2 or nothing, which we can kind of see why now, and when hbm was not going to make it, they went through to improve it a bit more.

>>59650587
Nah, vega 10 will be slower than titan xp

>>59650587
Vega 10 will never match with 1080ti/Titan XP, it't a Fury 2.0 tier speculation.

>>59647217
nah, vega is largely a test bed for navi, and a enterprise solution for business, consumers are the last thing they give a shit about, but it's easiest to market to us.

>>59647032
no, especially if we don't get binned versions, but hitting 1400mhz, that's a fairly safe bet.

>>59650622
Fury was only a flop due to being designed for a lower process. Learn your shit

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>>59650587
>he fell on the HBMeme

>>59647556
If you are looking at getting completely fucked hard, buy the 1080

If you know someone state side, have them buy an ebay old card, and a vega/1080 when you know what you want, have them attach the old cooler and make it look like an old as dirt card so if the box gets inspected, you pay very little in tax. and have them send the cooler separately elsewhere, or but a third party air cooler.

you skirt the retardedly high import taxes and shit, while getting a potentially better deal then what you are looking at currently.

Your free sync monitor will still work with nvidia, just not have adaptive sync capabilities all while you are out no extra money as amd does not put a 200-300$ tax on the monitor to use freesync.

>>59649691
580 may be cheaper and higher binned rather then only the xfx gtr that is higher binned.

>Got a 290x for cheap
>Still have the best AMD has to offer (Fury doesn't count. Note "offer")

I don't mean to imply it's a bad card, in fact it's very good, I love it. I just want to point out that there are still people that think 390 and 390x were an improvement in any way other than Samsung RAM (and more of it) and that the 480 was actually slower. When the 390 came out, it was inferior to the 290x and people paid more to get it.

Bet you anything people will claim 580 and 570 are a step up over the 480 because they will be factory overclocked. Same story all over again.

>>59650587
At worst the math puts vega at just over a 1080
If it has polaris level efficiency, it will be closer to a titan xp then a 1080
If amd figured out how to get vega within 15% disparity in flopps, then it will be just above a 1080ti

my bet is on polaris level efficiency out of the box, so solidly better than a 1080, and over time, possibly touching a 1080 ti in performance while still getting updates so new games don't suddenly perform like shit.

1080ti is price of 1080 here right now, tempting.

>>59650640
a lower process hurt it, but also gcn has a hard time filling all its shaders.

with it you have a rework of how the shaders are situated,
you have a new render technique
and you have a lower process

so all these are working in favor of getting the shaders saturated.

>>59650759
after posting this I remembered what happened to 780ti and 980ti, all desire is lost.

>>59650769
eh?

I'm going to laugh my ass off when Vega releases and it can't even match 1080 performance.

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>>59641837

>>59650720
They are on the improved LPP process from glofo, there are some minor improvements to the xtx pcb as well. Reference RX580 boost clock of 1340 is better than most aftermarket oc 480s
>pppplease buy

>>59641829
> Expect pricing to be slightly lower than the RX 480, around $199 – $249 US.
But it's higher.
> The chip itself will be clocked at 1340 MHz boost
Housefires confirmed, my shit 480 can barely manage 1305. Unless they have a good binning now.
Hmm, maybe I should try to OC it.

>>59650973
780ti losing to 960
in a year 980ti will lose to 1060

>>59651237
you have first round of 480s? they are good now, they ironed out process bugs it's under 100w with better binned chips and xfx sells 1340 versions

>>59651433
2 years after that, the 390x will be as fast as the 1070
Finewine™

>>59651433
kepler was completely different from maxwell/pascal, there is no reason to believe it would fall behind so much.

>bought a 470 OC'd to 1270mhz
>it's better than the 570

>>59641829

we already knew this.

its a rebranded card that runs 50watt lower tdp and is clocked higher.

at this point who cares.

>>59651970
1060 already creeping up to 980

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>>59647161

>>59642183
What the fuck are you even talking about? 4k is a standard. Every high end TV manufactured today is 4k. It's far more standard than 1440p, which is nothing but a niche computer monitor resolution.

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>>59652307
it was already as fast as the 980 at release, you dumb retard

>>59651679
With Nvidia's Spoiledmilk™ technology that might just happen

>>59641829
So it doesn't even compare to 1070. They're like 5-10 years behind.

Rebrands are bad no matter the brands, stop shill AMD

>>59653012
Could you name the Nvidia card which had 1070 performance 5-10 years ago?

>>59653652
Yet Intel has done exactly that for 7 generations now

>>59650711
I have a gtr at 69 asic so that's not true

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>>59646115
>kabylake at 5.0
Remember its a meme guys

>>59654353
Weak ass bench whatever they're using, you can get a Kaby to use around 130 watts at stock clocks.

>>59654353
>>59654453
Thats temperture, not watts. I don't remember where i placed my watts image for the 7700k

It was similar to the 1800x, if not higher

>>59654526
>93C
WAKE ME UP

>>59654562
Welcome to Intel TIM

I'm pretty sure it's intentional at this point.
Think about it. Make it near impossible to overclock the CPU, even though it can, so that customers can't get better performance with the same hardware (without spending money on high end cooling or voiding your warranty with delidding which you may fuck up), then sell the same CPU the next year with higher clocks.

It's pretty genius...If Ryzen hadn't come along.

The six core Cappuccinolake(Kanonlake?) os going to be a fucking house-fire unless Intel pulls out some big ace in the hole.

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>>59654562
lol intel housefires

>>59641870
The R9 Fury is already at 1070 perf.
They 470/480/570/580 is for mainstream 1080p customers, just look at the shaders number, you fucking abortion leftover.

>>59653652
Rebrands are ok so long as there's a price drop and a step down the product line.

>>59656496
kek, the r9 fury is slower than the fury x, which is still slightly slower than the 1070.
kys

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>>59641829
NOOOOOO

>>59657420
Why not just the price of the 4xx????? Rebrands is marketing.

>>59658997
cute the price of the 4xx*

>>59643982

>Some of us don't want a "good enough" gaymin experience. I want 1440p at 120fps minimum

I guess you never played any games until Titanx/1080ti came out, because that's the only card that can do that.

>>59644301

>i have 1080p display but i just enjoy the feeling that my 1080ti will crush absolutely any fucking game.
>1080p
>1080ti

You don't have a 1080ti anon, stop roleplaying

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>>59658997
>Rebrands is marketing

WHO WOULD HAVE THOUGHT AMD WANTS TO SELL STUFF?
It is standard practice in the industry. This is the same as when the 7970 was rebranded into the 280x. AMDs high end is going to be branded as Vega.

>>59642183
4k is a ficking standard you stupid gamer fuck.

1440p is a kike trick to take your wallet

>>59660990
>4k
>A standard
Only standard I hold anything to is WUXGA faggot

>>59642052
if you play under 180hz youre are fucking retarded

>>59648357
No, bad goy!

>>59650701
Don't know anyone in the US, relatives/friends rarely go there, I hate travelling. Its a good method but its unfortunately limited by opportunity.

Guess I'll just wait, or go in to the temptation.

>>59653685
The irony that Nvidia was playing catch up with AMD from 2011 to 2013 and it took Maxwell for them to finally trump them on anything but market share