Why American Farmers Are Hacking Their Tractors With Ukrainian

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>be farmer
>harvesting crops
>tractor breaks down
>cant repair because of non-free firmware
botnet wants all of us to starve

why do tractors have computers? what's wrong with analog tractors?

Why are farmers affraid of some proprietary firmware? Do they have something to hide?

>>59622409
Yes and it was hijacked by /pol/ right-wing retards who actually believe you don't have the right to repair your property: >>59402636

Reminder that those are the same people who claim to defend your private property rights.

What is actually forbidden to repair on the tractor that this is allowed? Is it software or hardware parts that break?

>>59622747
When a mechanical part breaks, like a transmission, a farmer can have it repaired by an independent shop. The issue arrises when the farmer tries to drive away, the tractor recognizes the new transmission as having unsigned firmware. It won't start until a JD tech is brought out to intialize the new transmission by loading signed firmware.

>>59622583
What's wrong is that analog tractors won't let manufacturers eliminate all competition and monopolize the repair business. Why do you hate all the progress capitalism is bringing for you so much, you luddite?

>>59622863
Wtf why would they do this makes, no sense to me if aN alternative repair shop can repair the tractors transmission why aren't they allowed to just load the software if the are already selling John Deer transmission.

>>59622583
Fuel injected engines are more efficient at wider ranges of load compared to carbed ones. FI needs some kind of engine management.

Can be done with simple 80s electronics though, no need for draconian locks on servicing.

>>59622583
We're talking about 500 hp tractors with an enormous range of features and regulatory compliance measures. Less computerized tractors in this range exist, but they all have something to measure emissions and such. JD is just going full retard putting a micro in everything.

>>59622747
>Transmission is rough
>Machine is lurching, destroying some yield
>Drop the tran
>Load aftermarket replacement
>Tractor refuses to start because unauthorized component.
I'm not sure about all the ways the machine detects tampering, but it's a big enough deal that people are getting stuck with autobricked machines.

>>59622899
>JD needs this "feature" to eliminate competition
The owners of JD tractors ensure this themselves. No botnet required. Seriously they're 100x worse than Apple users.

>>59622456
nonfree.crops

>clapakistan is this cucked by the botnet
l m a o

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>>59622399
This is why we need to fight for our software freedoms.

>>59622399
>oy vey the gentiles are revolting
>flicks the remote killswitch to turn off any and all tractors and what not
>no crops for you, goy! hahaha
a bit creepy

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>>59622399
>https://motherboard.vice.com

>>59622583
You can't remotely control them

>>59622929
They might be selling aftermarket transmissions rather than OEM JD transmissions

JD did it so if your tractor breaks, you go to JD for repairs and they can make more money

>>59622583
The same reason cars have computers

>>59622399
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HHgxOXEQaFU

So stop buying from them.

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>>59622399
So what's the competition?

tfw rural cyberpunk is here

>>59623391
they probably became a safe monopoly before pulling this shit

>>59622601
When the tractor breaks down, you have to wait many days (meanwhile your crops are rotting, over ripening, or whatever) so some John Deere monkey can physically visit your tractor to put signed firmware in it.

>>59622409
fuck off kike.

>>59622399
Why don't farmers just buy from a different brand, there are plenty of different tractor manufacturers.

I agree that John Deere is doing is fucked up, but they won't change until they take a loss in their pocket.

> Kevin Kenney, another Nebraska farmer told Motherboard, “If a farmer bought the tractor, he should be able to do whatever he wants with it. You want to replace a transmission and you take it to an independent mechanic — he can put in the new transmission but the tractor can’t drive out of the shop. Deere charges $230, plus $130 an hour for a technician to drive out and plug a connector into their USB port to authorize the part.”

These assholes should be treated with the same contempt as Monsanto for exploiting farmers.

>>59623611
That's exactly what this firmware replacement does.

Tractor = inkjet printer
JD firmware = ink cartridges

>>59623582
Don't be a nigger.

>>59623611
JD has a strong hold over much of the country by being the only place to buy equipment and service. I'm sure their botnet isn't the only shitty tactic they've implemented. JD owners don't help either. Their brand is a religion and buying another brand will earn distain from neighbors.

>>59623673
>Don't be a nigger.
fuck off kike.

>>59623673
>JD owners don't help either. Their brand is a religion and buying another brand will earn distain from neighbors.

Let them eat their own shit, while other farmer can use other brands like Challenger, Challenger tractors are made by Caterpiller Inc.

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>>59623445
You will never meet any group of people more willing to break shit apart and figure out how to make it work better or cheaper than poor farmers.

Source: grew up on a farm and spent all my youth playing video games so my dad and grandpa hated me.

>>59622399
why would people support this turbo jew company?

>>59622399
Stallman was right, again.

>>59623770
But they're paying eastern yuros hundreds of dollars to do it for them.

>>59622456
>artificial famine

No wonder then that the people fighting back are Ukrainians.

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>>59623807
I guarantee you a few guys throw in together to buy one and then figure out how to duplicate it.

>even farmers fall for brand loyalty meme
wew

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>>59622399
So basically, we have DRM for crops (Monsanto) and DRM for equipment (John Deere)

I look forward to the corporatist tards who will flood this thread and say if you don't support John Deere it means you're afraid of SCIENCE and PROGRESS

>>59623939
Actually, I take that back. I've never met anyone who owned a tractor that was made in the last 20 years. Anyone who can afford these new lines of tractors has the money to shell out a few extra hundred bucks to allow them to fix their own shit.

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>>59622399
>John Deere could remotely shut down a tractor
>people starve because a farmer forgot to sign the agreement

>>59622399
Serves them right for buying John Queer


A real farmer drives Massy

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>>59623770
>poor
>farmers
when will this meme die?

>The nightmare scenario, and a fear I heard expressed over and over again in talking with farmers, is that John Deere could remotely shut down a tractor and there wouldn't be anything a farmer could do about it.

If farmers realized this by themselved then how can't we redpill normies about intel and their ability to not only do this exact thing, but much more along with it?

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>>59623807
Eastern Euros are Godlike electrical engineers and computer scientists. Farmers are probably paying for access, not the service itself; the forums are invite only or very high cost, and instantly get you in touch with some of the heaviest hitters in the game. The West doesn't even put out people like these Russians, Poles, and Ukrainians.

They love tearing things apart, but reverse engineering software and hardware like this has been a lifetime of learning in the making. Even $10,000 for signed firmware is a killing for the Russians and chump change for the farmers. The Russians are getting paid relatively well and the farmers are getting a hell of a deal.

>>59623651
I thought automation was a viable alternative to human workforce and that human labor would be "outdated". Turns out all that automation scare was for nothing and I see nothing wrong with this trend.

>>59622399
gah damn farmers are getting fucked on the regular

>>59624149
I Would think it would be the repair shops shelling out for this. After all if a farmer is putting in an aftermarket transmission/etc. then they probably wouldn't have a problem with the repair shop loading aftermarket firmware to save the 300 bucks that JD would charge.

>>59624462
You would think maybe the repair should would become certified John Deere Techs, and cant work on the newer tractors.

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>>59622399
>https://motherboard.vice.com/en_us/article/why-american-farmers-are-hacking-their-tractors-with-ukrainian-firmware
Holy crap, tractor with backdoor.
Why just not buy dumb tractor Belarus with no surveillance and backdoors?

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Damn commies, when will they fucking die already and stop ripping me off

>>59624499
Thats what I am saying, there are plenty of other DRM free tractors are that just as good as John Deere.

>>59624029
most farmers are poor, you obtuse dumbfuck.

>>59624499
>No Belaz dealerships near me

Sad farmboy.

>>59623246
/thread
Use free software and normal hardware, is it hard?
People could change this shit already, but those fuckers buying microsoft, google, facebook, apple products.

Any american farmers here? Following this with some worry, we fabricate agricultural machinery at the factory I work at, curious to know if this extends to the hydraulics management. Pretty sure JD won't port this over to europe, but you never know.

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>>59624486
I'm assuming that certified JD shops wouldn't be legally allowed to offer aftermarket parts that would be cheaper/better/on hand (remember the time sensitivity of farming) than JD's parts, or even if they did the firmware would lock it out regardless if the shop was JD certified.

>>59624590
When you buy from nvidia/intel,google shit you sell your ass to Inc and NSA, CIA, it's no longer your property.

if you aren't a JD fanboy, buy from another brand
if you are, buy an older JD without that crap

>>59623316
>>oy vey the gentiles are revolting
ah, c'mon, they're not that bad!

This is a level 5 Gevoult! Agchem! Agchem!
This is level 5 Gevoult! Garuganov! Garoganov!

Doesn't John Deer have a competiter?
Aren't there still Trust-Busting laws put into place on the telecoms industries?
If I were verizon I would kick in my money into the bucket just out of spite, after that fucking "net-nuetrality" ball bust they received.

>>59624562
not in the US

>>59624583
http://www.belarus-tractor.com/en/dealers/usa/
They sell tractors in USA.

>>59624686
If you were in charge of Verizon and you started throwing away money out of "spite", you would quickly stop being in charge of Verizon

>>59624686
Jhon Deer doesn't get fined for putting a lock on their tractors but fucking Apple has to pay a fine for jaillocking their phones from their idiotic consumers?

>>59624723
Freedom

>>59624709
Its part of our "Corporate Accountability" policy. We've been a member group and received special access to third world countries in financial crisis.

PRIVATE ARMIES FOR MICRONESIA!!
GOOGLE ARMED SERVICES!!!

>>59624361
Leftists are prone to lying to further their SJW goals

>>59624499
because modern tractors are emmissions controlled and have the same black boxes that diesel cars do?

>>59624752

FUCK OFF ELMINSTRE, YOU CORPORATE WHORE!!!

YOU CAN'T TRADEMARK 'PRETEND'!!!

>>59622399
Good for them.

>>59624499
FUCK YOU RUSSIA!!
YOU ARE NOT SUPPOSED TO BE ECONOMICALLY COMPETITIVE!!!

>>59624771
Get the rope.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qeilxKluTCU

>>59624752
You should see googles legal division. Never seen so many militant lesbians outside of the ACLU

>>59622583
Because one farmer can remotely control more than one tractor.

This is what happens when you run your business like a commune

>>59622601
Did you even read?

>>59624764
>emmissions
Ask Tesla or GeneralMotor to do electic tractor.

>>59624836
Ha! They will be betraying each other in a week!

I hire one 200,000 dollar a year geek and I push all the other cornholers out in a month!

>>59624854
Sir, i feel I should warn you that you are once again lapsing into cartoon supervilliany

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>>59624792
Belarus is not Russia!

>>59624850
no u. it's coming soon don't worry.

>>59624850
lol.

Bio-Diesel my ass! Riding this thing smells like farts!

>>59624869
Stop balkanizing, you Slav's!

>>59622399
that's old news.

>>59624878
Why not?

>>59622399
>thinking farmers make a living off of farming
the ones that do barely live, most farmers make cash from sidejobs/projects

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>>59624895
We want freedoms!
Fredoms to wear our tracksuits and ride our tractors, free from the man!

>>59624915
Of course, food is not popular today, nobody buys it.

John Deere tractors are overpriced garbage. Anyone who has spent anytime on a farm knows this. Furthermore Susan, farmers in the US are subsidized by the government.

>>59624921
We want to play dice and wear gold watches!
We want to drive stolen BMW's and participate in great american Kleptocracy!

We are strong! We are Slav's!

We can do anything American can do!

>>59624939
they're overpriced, yes but not garbage. their reliability is on a par or better than their competitors.

>>59624694
irish farmfag here. grew up poor af in the states, you dont know what youre talking about

>>59624939
So you're saying we should let the free market fix it? Lose all our business to them? Waiting for a bit of that good 'ol american ingenuity, eh susan?

>>59624915

You have no fucking idea how lucrative farming is if you're one of the biggest players. We have one south african client, one of the largest suppliers there and one of the few that buys from us directly, without going through resellers, the fields he owns are fucking massive.

>>59625006
Aztechnology

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>>59624694

Tell John Dear to remove the trackers or we are going to Belarus. Tell them they are our preferred client, but we will walk if we have to.

>>59622709
The main point being made was a regulation that forced a tech company to not only provide schematics and repair guides for it's products, but also provide replacement parts for repair outlets etc would raise the barrier of entry into said company's market. If a company has to have the infrastructure that enables mass production and delivery of replacement parts then it can rule out smaller businesses. From that point of view I can see why that bill shouldn't have been passed.

In this case, John Deere should just let people mess with the software. From their standpoint they could still fix customer fuck ups and make money. Forcing them to provide replacement parts for repair places though is too much

>>59624915
Farmers make a shitload, but the job costs a shitload. It's a lot of work for a big reward that you're putting back into your business, so to say farmers are poor is true and false, depending on what time of the year you say that.

>>59622456
You don't know what a botnet is retard

>>59625026

What?

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>>59622399
>America in 2017
>tractors have DRM
>TRACTORS

>>59624983
Most people don't just pick up a plot of land and buy hundred year old agricultural equipment while employing vast sums of uneducated laborors.

>>59625071
Not really man.

Farmers are pretty much loaded.
They need huge loans, grants or subsidies to be able to afford industrial farm equipment, they need land grants or lots of finance capital to buy that much land, and they have to produce in bulk and save on labor to compete in the global marketplace.

>>59625088
It's crazy.

>>59625128
For example, you can buy vegetables from south america, but they still use DDT down there, a toxic pesticide. (Last I checked)

Peru has cheap fish, but their water is polluted with mercury, which gets into the fish and can cause brain damage. You eat enough of it, over time it can build up in your system and lead to system very much like autism.

Frankly, I'm scared to buy anything from russia, cause I always suspect it of being toxic or polluted in some way.

Buying Machinery is a much better way to go.

>>59625171
Russia and sattelites need a environmental superfund which they can all share. Sort of like a soviet economic bloc to protect capitalist interests in that region. A merchants guild consortium.

>>59625201
Russia still has to rely primarily on exports to maintain its balance of trade. It buys so much shit off america, and a lot of it is garbage.

>>59625224
But those tractors are generally not one of them. They are one of our most profitable exports, as a nation. Jhon Deere has a certain reputation for being reliable, but this new development is untenable.

>>59625240
It will definitely hurt their overseas sales and will most likely even affect the national economy. Our balance of trade is important to our nations prosperity.

I used to contract for a company that made green tractors and other such farming equipment. I don't represent them, I worked in IT (not engineering) but it gave me an idea.

Green tractor company has *always* been proprietary on everything. It comes with the territory. As a contractor the blueprints I could access were so heavily distorted that you couldn't make cloned parts out of them. As soon as warranties expire, they'll stop making that part, and even standard things (e.g. batteries) will be a slightly different shape from any standard, requiring a potentially costly retrofit or risking damage.

The ECM stuff they mention is really a mixed bag. Green tractor company adjusts the timing and other factors on the ECM on the basis of making sure the machines perform as expected without blowing themselves up prematurely for being tuned too far. Things like speed limits can be due to safety of workload or legal reasons. I'm not saying the USB unlock on a physical repair is necessarily reasonable if everything is in parameter but the ECM reflash stuff strikes me as a totally different territory.

A simpler approach would basically be a locked bootloader that requires the owner to be liable for non-warranty damage and disclaimer of warranty if re-flashing causes issues and a disclaimer on liability for emissions. Then let the owner do what they want. But Green Tractor company's lawyers are extremely conservative and I doubt would back this approach.

America needs to scale back on its use of technology. We use far too much of it and automate things that don't need automated. Automation should be used to enable the worker to do more and better work and get paid proportionally more for their services.

>>59625271
>A simpler approach would basically be a locked bootloader that requires the owner to be liable for non-warranty damage and disclaimer of warranty if re-flashing causes issues

then how would you check for factory settings and lemons? Pre-Certified tractors?

>>59625128
They're loaded *if* they haven't sunk their money in their coming work. I live in the middle of bumfuck nowhere surrounded by corn, wheat, soy, and other crops and they're only loaded for a period of the year. Their money isn't liquid.

>>59622967
>We're talking about 500 hp tractors with an enormous range of features and regulatory compliance measures. Less computerized tractors in this range exist, but they all have something to measure emissions and such. JD is just going full retard putting a micro in everything.
And they make more than tractors in terms of heavy equipment - some of the farm equipment they make can easily cost 7 digits USD.

>>59623513
They have competitors, it's a pride issue. Them vs. international tractor has been a thing since forever.

>>59623611
They, and the industry, have already suffered massively in the past couple years. Farmers are not buying equipment like they used to.

>>59623651
>I thought automation was a viable alternative to human workforce and that human labor would be "outdated". Turns out all that automation scare was for nothing and I see nothing wrong with this trend.
They and others are still eying automation. The more expensive equipment they cell have included cellular modems to watch the telematics and head off repairs before the bad condition of the tractor makes the repair worse and to deliver parts for the most expensive equipment *before* they fail if they're very likely to fail, so a farmer is down for hours instead of days or weeks.

>>59625271
Some of these machines really are a little too complicated for the average user. Unfortunately, they don't constitute much of a danger, but in order to insure their tractors and buy them under warranty, operators should have to get a liscense appropriate to whatever type of tractor it is you hauling.

>>59625294
Everything should be automated./

>>59625308
Make the unlocking mechanism that triggers a light forever and require the unlocking to get a key against the serial which is maintained in a DB.

Punch in serial and machine shows as never modified = fair to say it's running stock
Punch in serial and machine shows modified = do not want

Of course someone might crack the key generation eventually if not properly implemented but far past the warranty they discontinue all the physical parts and things are a bitch to repair anyways.

>>59625386
Thats going to have to be a 128 digit serial. You should probably just put it on a physical encryption key.

Probably the mechanic thats been assigned to your vehicle would have to come out, take a look at it, make sure you didn't blow out you're engine doing something stupid, ect.

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Russian hackers hacking American tractors, if they will hack MacDonald`s nuclear war is imminent

>>59625386
you also want it the other way around. It shines while its on and goes off when you void the warranty.

If computer companies can get away with it...

>>59625425
Hey, don't laugh, they still use donkeys to tour the grand canyon.

Of course, we may be shooting ourselves in the foot by getting involved. We could just give them pistols and let them draw at dawn.

Can I have my check please?

>>59625341
This is a pressing problem. Somebody should get on it.

>>59625533
Don't worry they'll be owned by contracts or their assets "donated" to the government after they die soon enough.
Farmers have been fucked over for years and absorbed by megacorps. They won't have a problem soon because there will be none left.

Too bad we don't have people actually aggressively defending the people who need it the most.
>MY FARM, MY CHOICE
>MY FARM, MY CHOICE
>MY FARM, MY CHOICE

I would actually respect protesters more if they fought for an actual cause and not liberal baby made up bullshit.

>>59626004
Don't worry; the megacorps still buy at retail, sell at wholesale and pay the freight both ways.

This would never happen in a truly free market :^)

>>59624694
Most farmers in the US are poor as fuck and locked into debt slavery with several multi-national corporations for their equipment, seeds, and even land.

Sure, they make it day to day. But if they drop one of a dozen balls they constantly have in the air they will be ruined.

>>59626161
Because JD would own the farms as well.

>>59626004
>MY FARM
Farmers over here in Europe are the biggest welfare leeches around, surpassing refugees while being arrogant as fuck about it too.

They literally get government money for shit they throw away, mommy government has to ban foreign imports because they cannot work worth shit and they get half the price subsidized upon export.

And of course whenever the price of something is too low instead of working harder they all move out to Brussels to have yet another protest.
Rather Old Mohammed than Old MacDonald!

>>59624361
Somewhere in Kansas right now there is a man tending to 1,000 acres of corn from the air conditioned cabin of a self driving tractor that navigates itself based off of GPS. He's basically there in case something breaks.

He's not making as much money as you think, spends almost all that money on recouping expenses and licenses he needs to grow the corn, and is doing what fifty years ago would have been the work of over 100 people.

Yes anon, automation will ruin us eventually unless we fundamentally change society to account for the fact we have millions and billions of people without any way to earn a living because whatever shit they do a robot can do faster, better, and much much cheaper.

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>>59625088
>wake up
>go to toilet
>toilet refuses to flush because the servers are down
>make breakfast
>fridge demands you to send 1 BTC to some guy that put ransomware on it
>go to work
>tractor won't start because of a loose cable
>get home from work
>lights suddenly switch off because they decided to do a firmware update
I for one can't wait for a solar flare to just break all this shit so that we can start from scratch.

>>59624847
Nigga I think he is making a point that proprietary software in general isn't necessary on something someone physically own. The fact that some people would still say hur dur notin' to hide! Isn't merited in this situation

>>59626217
Haha wow it's the complete opposite in USA. In USA you work hard and still can't make it on your own so you have to accept subsidies and contracts.
Then they make you throw food away with bullshit like converting corn into dirty burning ethanol so they can cut in shitty lower octane rating into gasoline.

Then when you die and leave everything to your family they seize 60% of your assets. It's just a matter of generations and time before they take everything.
You can't own a farm and be on welfare here, because if you were on welfare someone else would be taking your farm.

>>59626301
>going to work
>when the highway firmware is broken

>>59622399

>corporations are allowed to coerce people just like that in burgerstan.

mental

people will vehemently defend not being able to fix your own property because it'd somehow "infringe on the right of the corporation to fuck you in the ass"

>>59626233
you're greatly exaggerating the labor necessary 50 years ago

>>59626301
>wake up
>try to boot up shower
>water flows, then immediately stops. shower crashed unhanded exception.
>Browsing google and trying different troubleshooting tips
>nothing works, call shower support hotline
>2 hours on hold with shitty music
>Support answers with heavy Indian accent. barely understandable.
>support: have you tried turning it off and on again?
>Yes
>support: I'm sorry sir your shower is defective and we cannot assist you in solving the problem remotely.
>support: You will need to repackage and ship your shower in for repair. A refurbished replacement shower will be sent in the next 7-12 business days.
>send shower in for repair
>continue going to work without showering
>coworkers start complaining and laughing
>get fired from job because dresscode requires to be clean and showered.
>replacement shower arrives a month later.
>It has the same problem and won't work for more than 1 second before it crashes.

>>59626217
And you're forgetting the worst part, most of those subsidies go to buying cancerous pesticides and transgenic seeds, they give you subsidies if you work organic.
In fact in many countries in Yurop, banks specialized in farmers won't give you a loan unless you state you're using it to buy pesticides and other chemical shit and they even ask you which brand you're getting so they can later go to that laboratory and ask for a commission.
Shit is really fucked up. John Deere is just following the example of the labs that produce the seeds and the chemicals.

>>59626897
*they won't give you subsidies if you work organic.

>>59626463
there is a simple fucking solution to that:

STOP GROWING CORN

inbred imbeciles..

>>59626217
>Rather Old Mohammed than Old MacDonald!
epic lolz

>>59626992
>just stop growing the food that's processed into the majority of the first world's nutrition
genius!

>>59626992
>deny all government subsidies
>government red tape makes it impossible to function self sufficiently without bankrupting and losing your farm.
>lose farm and land

>accept government subsidies
>government can indirectly control you and force you to do stupid things because they are your lifeline
>"own" farm and land but really just a puppet for government.

You lose your farm either way.

Its not like you can hire an Ox and a Plow and expect to make it in America. Small farmers have to take some responsibility for making bad business decisions and entering into an already flooded market.

>>59627030
Did i say STOP GROWING
or did I say stop growing CORN?!

>>59626233
To work 1,000 acres?

But I am a bit of an old fag. Sometimes I'll say something mean the 40s-50s and actually says something that adds up to 60s-70s.

It'll happen to you too one day.

>>59627040
Yeah it's almost like food production is an important function of society that can't just be left up to individual whims.

>>59627099
>>59626603

>>59627040
>africa gov isn't corrupt and doesn't control their population with food
>food is so plentiful in USA we will never have that problem
>one entity owns the sole production rights for FOOD, a resource people require or DIE.

Yeah, who would trust INDIVIDUALS, when you can put all your faith into a single governing body.

the future is weird

>>59627140
meant for >>59627100

>>59622583
>no precision tilling and seeding
hope you enjoy lower yields

>>59627140
a government is composed of individuals

>>59624510
JD's software management is causing farmers to crack their software and use cheaper components.
JD's actions are standing in the way of them maximising their profits, and therefore is acting immorally.
Whoever thought this software was a good idea should be reprimanded.

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This is why you buy Kubota

>>59624723
the starbux activists don't buy tractors.

>>59627174
Ideally, unfortunately take a look at the real world.
Government has their own interests separate from individual citizens.

Denying that is just being naive. Nobody wants to blindly trust either a totalitarian government and nobody wants to completely trust individuals in an anarchist free market.

We want a balance of power. The government wants to seize more and more power.

>>59624010
>A real low subsistence, non-industry farmer drives Massy

Fixed that for you.

>>59627232
I don't really see the difference if farms are controlled by wealthy farm magnates or goverment officials. The point is that it is generally preferable to have a minority of people who know what the hell they are talking about than opening up macro-economic policies to committee processes.

>>59627223
lol, it looks like a Tonka truck

>>59627223
Can you senpai it?
Give it googly eyes and blushing cheeks?

>>59627204
>reprimanded.
A stern talking to, maybe.
Family Owned business.

>>59624704
OH.. MTZ is now Belarus Tractors..

They shouldn't have changed the brand like that, MTZ was catchy.


>Sad Canadian farmboy.. who is still running a McCormick W4, built in 1942.

>>59623982
I mean monsanto kinda makes sense. Money to research better crops, easier to make pesticides that don't kill your own crops instead of making it not kill everyones, etc, but the john deere thing is just cartoonish.

>>59627269
Get out John Queer!

>>59627375
i mean whoever at JD thought locking mechanical assemblies with software DRM ought to be reprimanded for risking shareholders future profit and costing the company goodwill.
if your customer likes the company often they will forgo the cheaper option and buy from the company. if, however, you piss off your customers they will not buy more than they absolutely have to.

>>59627311
There are family owned farms who know what they are doing and work hard. They are being attacked by legislation and ripped off.
You just have the mentality if they don't have official titles and uniforms they are moonshine toting hillbillies. You just believe in credibility by authority, instead of credibility by merit.

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>>59622399
we need to teach farmers how to torrent.

>>59627065
Hey retard, do you know what a crop rotation is?

>>59627140
Yeah, we should trust it to one single corporation like Monsanto instead.

>>59627767
Well down here it is that Cotton is worth more this year, but down next so we'll do peanuts, and then both are in the shitter so fuck idk... Winter Wheat?

>>59628175
How bout importing vegetables from south america, like bell peppers? You can artificially increase the humidity using tent tarps and misters.

>>59628175
Cabbage is in season

>>59628239
We aint all sis-e-cated like that. But yeah you do have some people that do stuff like that, especially the organic types. They'll do cold boxes and huge green houses.

But when you grow one crop on like 500 acre lots spread all over, mostly it's going to be a staple cash crop. Cotton, peanuts, the lower tier is watermelons and wheat and I know one guy dabbles in tomatoes.

This is a business after all, they grow what big brother is buying this year not what they want then look for someone to sell to.

>>59628298
Maybe you should consider exporting?
You could export to Mexico or Canada.

>>59628319
We do....

>>59628298
You could also donate a portion of your food to charity.

I hear that certain companies are able to deduct the retail price of their goods as a charitable contribution while only paying the manufacturing price to grow.

If it costs more to grow something than you receive to sell it, something is wrong with your business model.

i live in the midwest and ive talked to some farmers about stuff like this.

you basically have to purchase licenses for the extra features on the machine. those entire things are drive by wire at this point, and they literally can just drive themselves through the entire field, and using agriculture tiered gps and knowing how wide the tractor is and the spacing of the rows, it can turn on and off individual valves to make sure it only sprays exactly what it should not waste anything, and basically do everything automated

i dont really have much sympathy for them though

You could also consider limiting the quantities that you grow and divesting yourself of some of your land holdings. Assets can become tax liabilities.

Stop buying John Deere. Free market prevails again.

>>59628361
Now that shit is just beyond me. I know one guy, a deer skinner survivalist type, gives 10% of his crop to his church as a tithe every harvest. I'm sure they send it off somewhere.

Governments also have to limit the quantities of food they buy, to prevent Grapes of Wrath type situations.

>>59628385
Maybe you should see a tax specialist or talk to your banker.

>>59628155
good idea. There's even a saying i believe putting all your eggs in one basked is a great idea.
We should do this in every facet of our lives, what could go wrong?

>>59623419

John Deere is a status symbol, like Harley Davidson. You're not a REAL farmer unless you have green tractors.

Of course JD knows this and charges 10X what they're worth. Computer equivalent would be Apple.

>>59628498
oh rlly?

well, how much they are worth in the eyes of the public determines how much people are willing to pay for them, so i guess its all good.

Nobody wants a cut-rate tractor.

>>59622965
>not wanting the throttle response of carburetors

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>>59623419
I work for an equipment company that sells and leases Kubota. We give away diag and service software to owners and businesses. It is locked down to current owners(it can be used equip), you have to register it yearly. it requires an expensive cable and it's a clunky pos but you can fix your own stuff.

>>59628498

I don't know anything about farming, but if I understand correctly, there are other tractor brands that perform as well and don't have this cuck issue, and the only reason people still buy JD is because of brand appeal?

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Are they talking about normal tractors or these things? These look complex as fuck desu

>>59628423
Come on anon, what are the odds they'll turn out to be nazi-tier evil sociopaths who want to patent life itself to shut down every single third world farmer for not paying them tribute?

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>>59622399
>the wonders of (((closed source)))

>>59625070
How would that raise barrier to entry. You already have the fucking specs you engineered the product bro. It's like providing the source. I still don't support that bill either though and I post a ton of guides on both of those sites

>>59623838
Holodomor never forget

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WHY DIDNT YOU LISTEN

>>59625077
It's a meme you dip. Lurk for two more years before posting again.

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IF IT AIN'T RED
>LEAVE IT IN THE SHED

>>59624087

l>
l
l3

Get Shlomo right you idiot.

>>59622399
Ah, the beauty of the free market brings a tear to my eye!

>>59622965
99% of tractors run on diesel
diesel isn't carboureted
if it's not electrically fuel injected it's mechanically fuel injected

>>59622863
>>59622929
>>59623360
apple does the same fucking thing now
it's gay

"Tractor hacker" sounds like some strange midwest insult.

Might start using it to see if it'll catch on.

>>59624694
the land is the only valuable thing
working it requires fuckloads of capital

>>59624847
It's bait, newfriend

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>>59627735
>farmers seed land
>farmers don't seed torrents

MWF, americans farmers have tractors running bitcoin miners.

>>59622399
>hacking a tractor
that actually sounds really fun.

>>59622456
>Not having a GNU/Deere tractor
Enjoy your proprietary shitware senpai

>>59624590
if there were only more than 10 good free software things

if only free hardware existed

>>59622399
I'm surprised that that sort of shit is even legal in the so-called "free world". If governments were doing their job and being there for the people they represent, such a contract would be null and void. If people buy something, they should be able to do whatever they want with their equipment. Otherwise it's not buying, it's borrowing.

>>59625077
>being this new

>>59626301
>I for one can't wait for a solar flare to just break all this shit so that we can start from scratch.
I've got bad news for you

Solar Flares can't unlearn progress

We may not have it for a while, but this would all return not long after because we know how to do it all

>>59628738
Well it's brand loyalty. Anyone that owns a john deere anything will tell you it's a fucking tank, and when you have some thing that's tank-tier you really don't want to chance it - especially when it's your livelihood - plus iirc it's the only USA made one, and for the majority of it's existance, hasn't been hyper cucked like this

>>59624694
BS, my dad farms Strawberries in California and we're poor as fuck. Strawberry farmers are the poorest rich guys you'll ever meet.

>>59631163
Fuck off Russia commie pinko

I-isn't capitalism just great, guys?

>>59632438
capitalism without jews is great

>>59623838
I'm surprised it isn't the Irish.

>>59632438
We need another holocaust.

>2025
>get up at 5am to do some tractoring
>log in to John Deere net
>"Goodmorning, where do you want to tractor today?"
>"We've detected that the cabin is currently -5 degrees celcius, upgrade to JD Premium today to enable airconditioning!"
>accept because it really is a great deal, it removes the 50km/h speed cap and removes audio from ads
>system gives me last warning that i need to update
>hit postpone button
>get to the end of my driveway, just as i accellerate the engine dies
>start up and wait for it to reconnect
>the software update is forced this time
>the engine goes out again, there is no fuel left
>damn thing must have been turned on all night again to upload usage statistics to John Deere
>after getting gas i and rebooting the tractor it seems that crashing during update corrupted something
>run self diagnostics
>"Repairing this unit is beyond the capacity is beyond the measure of mere humans, This tractor will return to the master mold immediately. Leave the cabin or you will be forcibly removed, you have 15 seconds to comply"
>tractor engages Platinum Enterprise level boosters and flies off into the distance powered by the Presidential Rockstar package uranium reactor
>"well dangit"

>>59627030

>majority of the first world's nutrition
Majority of America's nutrition.
You won't find corn or corn syrup stuffed into everything in Europe and thank fuck for that.

>>59634698
ye else there would be a second subcontinent full of fatties

>>59632438

Capitalism was pretty good when it was 1) about physical things instead of intellectual "property" delusion and 2) mostly national-bound, instead of the globalist race to the bottom of current year.

This is what you get, drumpft voters

Lmao

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>botnet tractors
oh wow

>>59622929
official reason:
they don't want shitty jobs to be seen as john deere's problem/mistake
unofficial reason:
WOO MONEY

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>>59622399
>HE DOESN'T BUY INTERNATIONAL HARVESTER

haha fucking cuck, serves you right for falling for the green team

>>59626301
>get in self-driving car to go to work
>"we know what you did last night, routing to nearest police station"
>6 months for attemping to search for gentoo stage3 tarballs

>>59631416
Welcome to 2017. We've got common rail engines for some years now.

>>59622399
> Buying a John Queer
> 2017

I sure hope you guys don't do this.

>>59635719
Yeah, remember when capitalism was good?

Me neither.

>>59622399

Who cares? Most farmers are pesticide-using Monocroppers who give 0 fucks about the environment and just want $.

>>59636182
All I read is more reasons why capitalism really needs to go.

>>59636178

Maybe that's because you're underage. You can't remember something from before you were born, silly!~~

Try asking someone from one or two generations ago. Ask them about the stable jobs with pensions, the reasonable mortgages, the private but local industries.

>>59636250

https://www.theatlantic.com/business/archive/2015/09/when-america-was-great-taxes-were-high-unions-were-strong-and-government-was-big/407284/

>>>/r/The_Donald

>>59622399
>2020
>you are taking a QT out for dinner
>she asks the waiter if the vegetables have been farmed by happy tractors
>yfw

>>59636273

I'm not even American anon, but I actually agree! We've been sold the false dichotomy between communism and globalist capitalism. I want national capitalism back.

I don't mind more expensive electronics in exchange for stable jobs and affordable housing.

Too bad republicans are fixed on neoliberalism and democrats on cultural marxism, two heads of the same coin. My country is just another vassal state of USA, there's no scape for us.

>>59636322
>2020
>you take RMS out for dinner
>he asks if vegetables are GPL3
>proprietary tractors are not compatible with GPL3
>you commit sudoku out of shame

>>59636353
>2050
>humanity is fed by free tractors running GNU/HURD 1.0

>>59636273
When Trump supporters talk about the time when America was great, they are referring to the Reagan era. They want trickle down economics, etc.

>>59636384
That's not when America was great, that's the inflexion point when America became shit. Our manufacturing base was ruined and everything was outsourced to China. Most of our current problems can be traced back to reaganomics.

>>59636371
you wish

>>59622709
>hijacked by /pol/
>implying /pol/ thinks right to repair is a bad idea
neck yourself
>implying a board is a person
Please neck yourself

Why not simply buy from another brand?

>>59636203
Someone get the helicopter

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>>59636871

>>59622399
This is a non problem because they can just tell Deere to fuck right off and buy someone else's farm equipment.

>>59636925
Untill other start to do it.

>>59636925
That would be true if such equipment existed, what they have in the car/tractor/heavy machinery industry is an anticompetitive cabal.

>>59636925
It is a problem because they have already bought the tractors. And when they did, they did it with the expectation that they would be able to fix them were they ever to break down. Caveat emptor. JD swindled them by not putting a massive sign in big red letters on the hood of the tractors saying "you're buying this shit but it's not really gonna be yours because we'll use the DMCA to sue you if you try to repair it yourself".

>>59622409
And we had a Linux thread the day /g/ came into existence but we still have them multiple times per day. Big deal.

>>59622709
Sounds like corporatists, which /pol/ generally hates. Nationalists are not the same as neocons.

Does this apply to only farm equipment or their construction equipment too?

I don't know much about farm equipment but I know there's a lot of competition in construction machinery.

>>59637256
Sounds like you haven't been to /pol/ in a couple of years. It's changed drastically.

>>59637280
Also it would be a huge deal breaker for any large construction company if they couldn't have their own mechanics repairing equipment on site.

>>59637323
>repairing on site
>not having to call some licensed support contractor to come out to the site

>>59637339
>wasting time

>>59637339
Where I work they use CAT for nearly everything and of the 30+ mechanics there's only one guy CAT.

>>59637367
He's not even from caterpillar, he's from a CAT vendor.

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>>59637281

The Evil Nazist /pol/ is actually a very diverse board, whereas official and academical circles range from leftist to extreme leftist thanks to no-platforming and infiltration.

>>59637072
Uh, it does. There are tons of farm equipment manufacturers.
>>59637124
Sell the equipment while you still can and buy from someone who understands business demands.

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>>59636775
Because then you're not a real farmer.

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How do I root my Fendt guys

pls help

unlock bootloader when

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>>59636273
>government was big

>>59622968
nonfree.farm is still available

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>>59622399
Mechanica Zetor superiority!

Red tractor master race. Zetor and Massey for life. Deer fags btfo

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>>59636925
>he thinks the free market will fix it

>>59622409
I didn't see it Gucci you

>>59622399
John Deere are a bunch of greedy kikes. Fuck them.

>>59639529
where's your cancerous pesticides stock, you pleb?

>>59628155
>Monsanto drafts legislation and pays bureaucrats to ram it through and eliminate competition
Thank god we have the government to protect us

>>59639684
you don't own a john deere. you own the rights to use it.

thats litteraly in the purchasing agreement

>>59640078
the thing about monsanto is, that they like to be a part of the team that decides if their chemicals are toxic or not

>>59640506
wow what a tremendous surprise the people that lobby and write the legislation that gets rammed through bureaucratic regulatory committees use the government to enrich themselves and destroy competition

holy shit someone call CNN this is huge

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>>59639529
WOW! how fucking basic!

>>59622399
That fucking sucks!

WELP fuck john deer

Now this right here, this is real fuel for the FSF's philosophical argument, tied directly to fucking living and producing food. People will soon realize proprietary software is the biggest evil of today.

>>59640541
we had monsanto corn once. its overrated.

roundup is okay for preparing a field for a new season, or drying a crop before harvesting. but not weed control after sowing, as it is originally meant to be used for.

fun fact, when it was first launched the sellers would drink roundup to show that it was harmless.

>>59631635
>GNU/Deere
>not using John Gnu.

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>>59640791
>People will soon realize property is the biggest evil of today.
FTFY

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>>59622399
nice try commie! i am using 4 different kinds of proprietary software up in this bitch!

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>>59640881
>4
>not 7

>>59640881
yeah no wonder you're a afat piece of shit lmao

>>59622399
h-hacking tractors? what year is this

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>>59640912
and you are a dyslexic moron.

190cm/85kg gtfo.

>>59622399
Fuck... Is John Deere the Intel or Oracle of tractors?

>>59640881
> Bragging about being a cuck
> Look Jamal is driving my truck, god I'm hard

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>>59640968
>cm
>kg

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>>59640968
that's even worse
you're a fucking skelleton, farmers truly are too poor to even feed themselves lmao

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>>59640997

>>59641032
>amerifats think that's skeleton
top kek

>>59641017
wat

>>59641032
made $45k last year

>>59641048
>if someone thinks you're skelleton he must be an amerifat
lel mongoloid, not even close
go input your shit on a bmi calculator you're literal african famine tier lel

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>>59641071
>literally below the penury line

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>>59641071

>>59641078
>he's this mad im taller than him
lol

>>59632438
Buy IH or Kubota. This is brand loyalism biting people in the ass and not much more.

>>59641078
It's a BMI of 23.5. So a good normal weight. Close to overweight actually. So, yes, if you think that is "literal african famine tier", you are an amerifat.

>>59622583

If you are driving these tractors across every single acre of Iowa and you can reduce fuel consumption by 1% by carefully regulating how much fuel is delivered to the engine it adds up to a huge amount of fuel that is saved

Basically the tractor is a giant differential equation and the computers control a couple of the variables

Also a lot of these tractors have an Ipad bolted to the console like a Tesla or something

>>59641123
No, that means he's literally 0 muscle skinny weak effeminate-"male". He doesn't even lift.

>>59641091
>have apartment
>2015 car
>no real bills to pay except a couple different insurances
>$45k at 19. i am not even done with my education. i am litteraly doing minimum wage, at least for an european. only i had 2300 hours last year. when i am done, i am expecting something like $30/h

>>59641145
No, that is not what it means. Normal range is 18.5 -- 25.0. So he could weigh around 68 kg and still be considered having a normal weight.
I don't know if his weight comes from fat, but it's perfectly possible he has low body-fat and is very strong and muscular. But he is definitely NOT skinny.

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>>59641218
>But he is definitely NOT skinny.
Maybe not for European nu-male standards. Americans are massive /fit/izens.

>>59641257
fatty please

>>59641257
>litteraly 75% of american adults are overweight

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>>59641257
>Americans are massive
You sure got that right

>>59641146
Americans think 45k a year is poverty because you literally can't live in America with that little. Health insurance alone costs that much per year in 'Murrika.

>>59641335
Depends on where in America you live. In a rural area, ~$50k is fine. In a big city, anything less than six digits can be insufferable.

>>59624633
fuck off