why do cinema screens go choppy when the camera pans?

>>59602513
Because of 48fps projection from a 24fps source

>>59602534
surely they can make an intelligent system that knows when to disable 48fps during certain camera pans

>>59602550
It would be cheaper not to.

>>59602550
"Disabling 48fps" would cause it to flicker and get even more choppy.

You would need a system like in modern TV's that calculate extra frames from existing frames (the system that can turn everything into a soap opera).

But that would require a major overal of all cinema projectors I believe.

>>59602513
Yeah, i remember trying to watch the avengers and how fucking horrible and stuttery the fight scenes were, gave me a headache

>>59602550
The 48hz is a workaround that actually helps.

the choppiness is simply a artifact of the horribly low fps. 24fps wouldnt be deemed acceptable when playing a game or in a UI, but normalfags thinks the choppyness looks "cinematic", so we have laggy movies.

>>59602702
oh so you are just noticing it more because of the bigger screen

>>59602724
I would say yes. It is so much more noticeable during slow-ish panning however. The same happens with 24fps movies in home cinemas and TVs however.

>>59602513
24fps (strobed at 72Hz)

>>59602702
>choppyness looks "cinematic"
it unarguably does, cinema is choppy, so choppiness looks like cinema

what amazes me even more is when people claim higher fps looks "unrealistic", seriously blows my mind, what are these people thinking?

>>59602800
because 99.99% of films are made at 24fps, regardless of whether you watch it at a cinema or from a dvd/bluray, all you're getting is 24fps (unless you use a feature of modern TV's or computer software to interpolate intermediate frames, which helps a lot for pans, but is ultimately a hack and not a replacement for true higher framerate content)

>>59602964
It does have a strange, flighty quality compared to 24fps, which looks more deliberate and weighty
Doesn't help that the only place most Americans see 60fps video is soap operas, which associates it with fake melodrama

>>59603105
it looks strange when you first compare them, especially since you're most likely comparing a 24fps film with the same film with fake interpolation added to it, since that's the only way to get higher fps film

>>59602513
For all those that are too lazy to reverse image search this gravure model is named Anri Sugihara

>>59603207
It's literally in the filename.

Congratulations, you played yourself.

>>59603272
There is always gonna be one person that doesn't look. You must be new here.

>>59603340
That one person is an idiot who doesn't deserve to be spoonfed.

Worse, that one person is you, since you reverse image searched it and then made a post trying to be helpful when instead it just ousted you as a redditor.

>>59603366
It's time for you to go back.

Avatar made my eyes cross at times and gave me a headache. Especially those panning scenes. Fucking choppy as hell.

Did any of you saw the high framerate version of the Hobbit?

I personally like 24fps for movies but it's all because of association I think. 50/60fps is soap opera/Youtube to me.

Besides, smooth (smoother? as 24fps is limiting) panning is possible with 24fps. It all depends on the choice of pan speed, shutterspeed and focallength during filming.

>>59602513
Who's this semen demon?

>>59603586
yeah
cinema was too retarded to check it and movie literally crashed 2 times during playback because it couldn't manage the higher bitrate

>>59603615
it's in the file name

>>59603623
Despite the crashes, is it a better experience?

Stop using shitty monitors fags.

144hrz masterrace

>>59603744
Did you even read the thread you cancerous faggot?

>>59602964
Movies are unrealistic. They're filming actors on a set. Film in 60fps and you notice that the actors' expressions aren't quite right and that the sets are plastic.
Everything you *think* you see is actually highly interpolated. You're placing models within a diorama. A movie's low FPS makes you interpolate more, and we don't insert fake looking models, we do "real." Low FPS focuses your attention where the director wants it, because your brain doesn't have the horsepower to go looking in the corners and still clearly make out what's going on in the center. Interpolating the jumps in 24fps just takes too much effort. With high frame rate you see everything. It completely opens up the frame.

>>59603962
Yeah, and what did I say wrong?

144 % 24 == 0

60 % 24 == 12

The only reason everyone gets sloppy scenes is cause or their shitty monitors. The last panning scene I remember seeing was in Arrival, and it was buttery smooth.


Maybe there's a setting where in full screen mode you can change your monitor refresh rate to 48.

>>59603978
except they make every other effort to make films look realistic, you can pause many films and still fare no better telling it's fake, which throws your argument out

why do directors still do panning shots of shit like trees knowing full well it looks like smeared babyshit on the screen at 24fps

>>59604007
we're talking about the judder you get from 24fps being 24fps, not the additional judder you get from using an inappropriate display refresh rate

>>59602513
Inusfficient motion blur to make the 24fps watchable. Either because the shutter time was set too short on the camera, or because the CG wasn't rendered with accurate, physically based motion blur.

>>59604033
no idea

can't follow it, because it's juddery as shit and just causes a headache, can't pause it, because even slow movement as 24fps demands a huge amount of motion blur to not make it even more of a headache

>>59604038
Was arrival not filmed at 24 fps?

>>59604089
IMDB doesn't mention otherwise, so it probably was
the only film i'm aware of that wasn't is the hobbit (48fps), though even that i don't think has any consumer release that isn't 24fps

>>59604014
>screenshots
Just leave.

>>59604134
>i don't like your argument, go away

>>59603586
I saw all 3 of them that way. I liked it, HFR looks great with tree foliage especially.

>>59604146
Your argument is "screenshots are movies." Can you say you've seen a movie by looking at a screenshot? No. See? They're different.

>>59604231
you argument is that it's hard to spot imperfections as the juddery appearance forces your mind to fill in details
but this doesn't apply to screenshots/pause
nor does it apply to sufficiently slow scenes

>>59602605
> soap opera
THAT'S IT
I've always wondered what would be a good way to describe how it feels

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> he sees films where the camera moves

>>59603207
>>59603272
>>59603340
>>59603366
>>59603467

>>59603615
kekerooni

>>59604129
Then why are people complaining about 24fps when it looks fine with a proper monitor?

>>59604505
>a screenshot is a movie
It's not. There's a reason movies aren't released in screenshot form.

>>59605005
it doesn't

>>59605026
you're hopeless, anon

>>59605037
Yes it does. I have seen choppy footage too. Usually on youtube, where the video is at 30 or 60 fps and I'm at 144hrz. There is zero choppiness in every movie I watch.

Every complaint on here about choppy 24 fps is purely an improper refresh rate.

>>59605037
I'm not the one insisting that screenshots are movies.

>>59605084
>Every complaint on here about choppy 24 fps is purely an improper refresh rate.
no, because i set my display to 72Hz

>>59605117
What movie and scene is choppy? I'll download it and see for myself.

>>59602513
WHO DAT?????/

>>59603207
>>59603340
>>59603467
The level of butthurt is pretty high here. Just take it like a big boy

>>59603649
Not that guy, but it depends entirely on who you're asking, much like with 3D meme movies. Some people love it, others hate it.
Personally, I thought it was a nicer experience than 24fps movies and I wish we'd get retail movies at 48fps.

Although I say that, I also do fear what would happen to the video quality if the film industry starts giving us mortals 48fps movies. They already suck ass at encoding as is with pirates often fixing the mistakes they make and giving us releases that look better than the source material at 1/5 the file size.

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>>59602513
it means your theater uses low end projector

>>59603207
>Anri Sugihara
>no porn
OUT