/tpg/ - ThinkPad General

E330 i5 3210M 8gb 320gb hdd at 177€, deal?

>>59601173
>E series

Nope.

>>59601180

They're that bad huh?

T470, T460s or X1 Carbon?

I want it to last the next 5 years, i'm not interested in gaming, but need a good screen

14.1"
Intel Core 2 Duo CPU T9400 @ 2x2.53 GHz
RAM 4.00 GB
1 GB Ethernet
300 GB harddisk

Is this worth it for $100?

>>59601268
Shit build quality

>>59601297
X1C (assuming it's the 2017 model) or T470.

>>59601300
It's a T400

tfw you just impulse bought a cheap msata ssd for your x230

what is the think[ad equivalent of macbook pro?
something with "everything on it".
w550? [do w560 exist?]
P70?

money no problem for me, just want the best thinkpad has to offer.

>>59601385
w series got replaced with the p series

>>59601417
ok, thanks.
so p70 is the best thinkpad atm?

>>59601426
p71

>>59601433
>p71
thanks, masonic dubs.
checking it out right now.

>>59601300
>>59601311
If it's in good condition.

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is there anything I should be aware of before purchasing a caddy for an extra SSD for my T420?

>>59601529
not really

>>59601310
they both don't come with WQHD here in europe

>>59601311
if its in good condition go for it. Chuck a p series processor in it like a p9400. They cost fuck all and its only 100mhz slower but it has 10w lower TDP

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I give up. Any new additions will just have to be pre loved ThinkPads. Still holding out against the chiclet plague after more than 5 years. But for now, Fort ThinkPad still stands

>>59601300
If that's $USD, you might still be able to scour and punch your luck at a T410

>>59601761
what thinkpad is the one with the latios on it, x61t?

>>59601761
bitches can't handle the sexy

Just picked up a $90 t520 with the i7 and nvidia graphics. could not believe my eyes. Passed all the stress tests with average temps.

should I get a nu-thinkpad if I have the money, or just get a dell xps or something else instead? I want good linux support and a kaby lake igpu, and a 1080p screen. (as well as good build quality/design) currently loving my x301 but everything about it is slow.

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>>59601780
Indeed it is. The battery isn't what it used to be though it still works well as a non windows slab. Fuck there's a lot of memories

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What's the best laptop for a CS university student girl?

>>59602074
>girl
see >>59601850
Get a pink Macbook slut

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I dream of the day when the xx20 series can be run entirely blobless.

NSA free ThinkPad? Am I restricted to Core 2's?

>>59602182
Librebooted X200.

The Sandy/Ivy era Thinkpads are slowly having their blobs neutralized (see me_cleaner on github, removes _most_ of the Intel Management Engine botnet) but after they will ever be completely free is doubtful. The Intel botnet is just too ingrained the whole system by this era of Thinkpads. Like cancer.

how do I make middle click+nipple on my x301 scroll on linux?

>>59602264
No chance of a free xx20 or xx30 then?

>>59602074
>girl
Since you yourself decided to make your gender an issue, I'll tell you if you post tits with a timestamp.

>>59602328
Possibly but unlikely. That's just my speculation.

Problem with xx20 is that a small portion of the Intel ME blob needs to be left intact to initialize the CPU, or something like that. Laptop will shut off after 30 minutes if the ME blob is entirely absent from the BIOS chip.

>>59602379
This but it is now possible to de activate ME completely while the laptop is running. If this could be automated a free computer with Core i CPU would be possible.

>>59602074
>student girl?
could've stopped at 'student'.

well, TITS or GTFO, then!

>>59602319
Should be like the others where http://www.thinkwiki.org/wiki/How_to_configure_the_TrackPoint
Or in the case of Kubuntu 16, it just werks

Are thinkpads the only modern laptops that still have cylindrical keycaps?

Would the T430 be powerful enough for running plex server 1080p transcoding?

>>59602602
Of course. My T400 does that with ease.

>>59602074
>girl
Since this is so important to you, I would say get a macbook

>>59602673
>>59602074
>girl
and change you major to gender studies.

>>59602602
Anything core i series (T410/X201) onwards is guaranteed to work.

>>59601529
>is there anything I should be aware of before purchasing a caddy

a good one doesn't cost $2

>>59602823
yeah, I know. Would an 8 euro be a decent one?
I guess the only thing that changes is the quality of the caddy(in terms of the materials used to build one)

I have an old ThinkPad keyboard from an X220 left. Is there some kind of USB interface for it? I'd like to connect it to another computer if possible.

So build quality went to shit from the x230 onwards?
Using borrowed x201 right now, and it's pretty nice, but quite a bit too slow to work with

>>59603266
>build quality went to shit from the x230 onwards
>tfw you wish you were a decade older to enjoy the IBM era thinkpads.
i think i'll still fucking buy a p71 as son as it comes out.

>>59602876
>I guess the only thing that changes is the quality of the caddy(in terms of the materials used to build one)

https://www.amazon.com/Caddy-Lenovo-ThinkPad-genuine-Newmodeus/dp/B00A2AWBKU

Are there any lightweight thinkpads with decent perfomance?

>>59602876
I've bought a couple different caddies that were both the absolute cheapest on eBay when I bought them, and in terms of materials and build quality I was very satisfied. The biggest difference will be in electronics if anything - I had an LED on one of them burn out when I first tried it. It runs fine and I don't care about losing it since if anything the lights are a nuisance, though I guess it doesn't say much about the quality of it.

Really I would just go cheap though, if it's defective you just get a refund. Most sellers will be flogging off the same shit, just undercutting each other and occasionally including a bezel or screwdriver with it.

>>59602074
cutting board

>>59603459
Not buying them locally in China. Paid around $8 for one that is almost top quality.

got a x220 and ordered a msata ssd. when i opened the machine up, i saw that there is already a wwan inside and now i'm not sure what to do. on the one hand is it really nice to put my extra sim into the laptop, on the other hand the ssd would be great, too.

what do, /g/?

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what are some nice subtle stickers I can use to cover the ugly lenovo logo on my x220

besides size is there any real difference between a t430 and a t430s? would i lose any performance or would there be a significant impact on battery life?

>>59603617
Electrical tape.

>>59603626
s variants have poor battery life and thermals iirc.

got my T500 in 2008, changed the display, keyboard ( W button was broken), increased RAM, cleaned the cooler, added an SSD and it's still running smooth.

Can it run Cubes OS securely(what do I have to do for Vt-d)? Can I get the IME blob out?
would casual gaming be possible in a paravirtualised Win7 or should I rather dualboot?

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>>59603461
fucking epic

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>>59603596
>really nice to put my extra sim into the laptop
and do what? you got some sort of unlimited plan? it's also 3G

>>59603617
pic related

>>59603626
6 cell in T430s is 48 Wh whereas the normal 6 cell is 60 Wh. Can't get larger than that on the T430s unless you go the slice battery route in which case you get about 75 Wh vs the 90 Wh of a 9 cell but it will wear quickly since the system prefers to drain it to 0% before switching

Materials are also different I guess. The T430s is Mg alloy base, CFRP lid while the T430 is CFRP all over but in practice it should take being rammed into a wall all the same

>>59604317
err, fuck. Ultrabay battery, not slice battery
Slice battery works on both and that's another 90 Wh but it introduces an annoying incline to the machine

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>>59602171
when this day comes, the xx20 series will be as old as the x60 series is now. good thing is that the 2nd gen i5s/i7s doesn't get obsolete so fast, because intel doesn't really develop their CPUs.

till then, all hail T60,X60,T400,X200!

>>59601345
It was a Liteon one for me but it works nicely. No point getting the best because the port is SATA II

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I'm getting an X41 Tablet
Could I shove a Broadcom Crystal HD Accelerator inside of it so that it's able to playback anything higher than 360p?

>>59604959
>because intel doesn't really develop their CPUs.
Intel is jew shit but there are $240 cheap netbooks out there with Goldmont cpu's that can handle 4K 10bit playback.

budget is 400$ wondering wat is the best thinkpad i can get i really like
>>59602007
i like all the extra indicators it has besides that i have seen the X220 is p good but im wondering if im missing on any other better ones

>>59605406
im trying to just have it so i can connect to my rdp and work on it and dev software + lightweight take notes in school and what not

>>59605406
get a good X220 with a new 9cell and 500gb SSD

what do you guys do with your express card slot?

>>59605478
i love my x220, but the battery life is total shit compared to a modern laptop.

>>59605641
Get a new battery then. There's no reason why you should get less than 8 hours on that laptop.

anyone who turned off turbo boost, do you find it really improves battery life and heat?

>>59605624
usb3.0

>>59605699
heat yes, battery life not so much since you select a more efficient energy profile for mobile work anyways

>>59605699
ofcourse it helps with heat issues

>>59605641
>the battery life is total shit compared to a modern laptop.
not really

For T61, would there be noticeable difference between Intel and nVidia GPU for general desktop applications use?
nVidia has its own ram so it might free up some memory bandwidth, or would it be unnoticeable? And would it produce more or less heat under same near-zero load?

I just want to keep shitposting on that glorious 1600x1200 IPS LED, but modern websites are apparently not tested for performance on anything below i5.

>>59601146
>Location:
Good ol' US of A
>Price range:
Would like to stay under $150 but can go up to $200.
>Size range:
I'm not entirely against the compact models, but I think the regular T series will be best for me.
>Performance requirements:
I want to be able to download chinese cartoons and use KCP to watch them. Being able to play some of the old GTA and Touhou games would be cool too (getting this from the guide). Needs to be WiFi capable.
>Other requirements:
Windows XP, and IBM made.

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>Spend yesterday evening upgrading a t400 I just got
>all wonderfully set up, going to be my productivity machine
>finally got rid of my chrome book
>go to work
>come home
>charger cable is fucked

Fucks sake, it's like the universe is against me being productive at home.

I need cheering up...

>>59606419

On top of all that, forced to phone post.

What's the best cpu I can/should stick in a r400 7440?

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Attempting the T601 FrankenPad today lads

>>59601146
Why did you change the OP?

>>59606352
T60

>>59607188
check out the last thread, it's some butthurt T430 fag who thinks everything pre xx30 is shit

How can I stop my T420 from emitting a high pitched whine?

>>59607337
Thanks, I been seeing a lot of T60 and T61 models that seemed to match my needs but the guide said they're "on their way out".

>>59607688
Last IBM-made ThinkPad was the T43

>>59605641
I get 8 hours on mine

>>59601146
Should I go for t450/460 if I want a 14" for business? Most of them have standard Intel Hd550 so I'm wondering if there's something better on the market. I wanna spend around $600, used ofc

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The hinge broke on my T430. How difficult of a fix is this?

>>59605294
I have never seen this device before in my life. No guarantee it would work whatsoever.

>>59607931
Why do you need a GPU or are you a gayming kiddie?

>>59601761

Wait a minute, I recognize that trip from quite a few years ago. Wow.

>>59608014
Just to make it more universal

>>59607671

You can't.

>>59607671
hot glue on an inductor near the cpu

>>59605277

I'm more concerned with cheap Ssd's crapping out on me, than with speed. Has there been any long write tests on cheap Ssd's?

t420 or x220?

going to be using linux, not sure if the 1600x900 display is worth the optimus headache on the t420.

Would a t420 be much larger/heavier than an x220?

>>59609266
Both are premium machines, What are you going to use the thinkpads for and which screen size would you prefer? Answer to those questions might be crucial in making the right choice.

>>59609266
it's possible to get a 1600x900 t420 without the nvidia gpu. some even prefer igpu-only for better heat management (especially the nutters who put quad cores in) and less hassle with egpu setups

i do carry my x220 around more than i did my bigger laptops in the past

>>59609422
What is the cabinet/wall? Is it a computer itself?

>>59601297
Another vote for the X1

>>59609141
>Has there been any long write tests on cheap Ssd's?
not quite but each one has a rated lifetime TBW. cheap shit drives are rated for 40-80 TBW while quality drives usually have way more than 100, even 700 or 1,500 TBW like the Samsung SM863.

I can't not laugh whenever i hear someone say "anon no matter what you do any ssd will last forever like at least 10 years"

I always look for OEM/enterprise drives new or used because a company/manufacturer will look twice whenever they choose a ssd for their machines/servers, and each one will get properly tested so people buying those machines wont say the said laptop/server/desktop brand is shit.

Hey, like a year ago one you guys recommended that I use a tooth brush to clean the grills on on old laptop, worked great. Cleaned a new laptop I found locally, worked great again. Just wanted to say thanks.

>>59603714
Where'd you get the Katawa Shoujo sticker?

If i've flashed the embedded controller on my x230 to get the x220 classic keyboard to work, does that also mean I can use non genuine batteries? Genuine 9cells are stupidly expensive here.

>>59609437
I'm going to be using it for programming, so the resolution on the t420 is obviously attractive. However I do move around often, and am concerned that the extra size and weight will be an issue

>>59610328
x220 might be the choice, however I have a t420s, and carry it every day without any probs.

>>59606046
my t430 gets 6-7 hours.

>get cucked faggot.

>>59607938

Easy, JB weld or some good Epoxy.

You could always buy a new hinge from ebay or amazon, they are super cheap. Hell I have extras.

i7-3540m vs i7-3610qm?

Is the qm chip worth the extra money (and reduced serial horsepower + GPU speed compared to the 3540m)?

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>CPU fan on the refurbed X230t I bought in December starting to sound like a leafblower
>idling in the mid 60s
>order new heatsink
>it arrives
>start tear down
>screws holding down the wireless and bluetooth cards are completely stripped
>can't access CPU unless they are both removed
>try every trick in the book to get them out
>can't

This is the second time I've been fucked over by a refurbed Thinkpad.

>>59610479
>3610qm
>45W TDP

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>>59606593
God damn IBM to hell, I'm pissed, I'm poor, and I CANT FLASH THE GODDAMN MIDDLETON BIOS WITHOUT A FUNCTIONAL T61 REEEEEEEEEEE

>>59610780
What the fuck am I seeing right now?

>>59610824
a fucking mess mate

>>59610851
Are you trying to restaurate it or?

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>>59610780

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>>59610780
anon what are you DOING

>>59610904
not mine anon thank fuck

Are there any thinkpads in the 1400 price range that would compare to the new inspiron gaming? I need an all-around laptop and my friend recently got one, but it's made by dell.

>>59601529
the stupid fucking blue led that blinks during transfer

>>59611062
What kind of gaming?

>>59611085
It's what I do with my free time. Stop being autistic about it.

>>59611100
Slightly older titles, no fps or racing. Strategies, maybe rpgs.
I would buy the dell, but man, the design is so gamey, I can't see myself using it outside.

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I'm going to send the FrankenPad back to hell with a bang. I'll throw the thinkcentre in too

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Is there a guide somewhere for modding speakers into the Ultrabay?

>>59611161
gett a t450 w450 p50 or smth

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>>59611168
Should I just buy a MacBook when this ends?

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>>59611342
BATTERY POPPED

>>59611391
>>5961134
I feel offended by this.>>59611342

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It's over. My X61s has a big crack in the bezel, considering putting it in my oven

>>59601146
Hi, I've just bought a refurbished T540p and am looking to install a secondary SSD as a boot disk, but I can't find wether it has a M2 or mSATA slot. Which is it, and can it be used as a boot disk?

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>>59611508
>>59611391

>>59611573

M2
yes

>>59611629
not mSATA?

USPS told me my laptop was delivered to the Lenovo service depot, but my repair status hasn't updated. I'm paranoid as hell, does it usually take a while for stuff to update?

>>59611662
yes

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>>59611508
>>59611391
>>59611342
>>59611168

is this dumbfuck actually burning electronics?

>>59611662
M2

>>59610558
I had the same issue.
Drill time baby, take a fine drillhead and get those suckers out.

>>59611703
>>59611730
thanks guys.
Is there a guide of how I would replace the screen?

http://www.ebay.com/itm/361934407949?_trksid=p2057872.m2749.l2649&ssPageName=STRK%3AMEBIDX%3AIT

This is the one I bought and I'd like to upgrade to full HD.

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>>59611785
you should replace the lid too

>>59611887
I know.

>>59609629

He probably custom-ordered all of them. It's 8$ for a whole sheet.
>>59606419
What mods did you do ? I just ordered a X9100 for my T400.

>>59607938
easy. like all thonkpad repairs.

Look at the hardware maintainance manual

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>>59610558

relax, buy a screw set on ebay/aliexpress and extract these ones.

pic related, get a drill

>>59607938
JB weld

>T430
serves you right faggot

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>>59611168
>>59611342
>>59611391
>>59611508
What the fuck are you trying to prove or convey with that shit?

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Shitty College to be student here. I need a laptop for college that won't break in the next four years. Thinking of getting a thinkpad yoga 14"(aka 460) though wondering how the weight is for carrying all day, battery life too.

Also shitty digital artist, so wondering how the Wacom. Aes digitizer does compared to normal tablets.

Bros I just found out you can swap the Fn key and CTRL in the bios. My life is saved. I seriously love this computer now.

>get battery for A31p
>turn on the fucker and see if it charges
>why isn't the wifi working?
>find driver
>use concave trackpoint
>type on the laptop for the part number
>oh my god how I've missed this

>>59601529
You are using the wrong money :P

>>59602007
Oh man I love your background.
Let me have it for my A31p video.

>>59602074
Are you the soon to be ex boyfriend who wants to recommend an X260 over a student discounted macbook pro?

>>59611201
bumping this post

I have an extra ultra bay HDD caddy and plenty of broken laptops with speakers. would like to make one myself.

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>>59610780

>T6x user
>broke as fuck

Pottery.

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>>59610780
I have the parts to fix that shit

>>59603407
>is there any (vague description) ThinkPads with (everyone's opinion will be different) performance?

yeah a few
get an X260

>>59605294
It should help, but its still somewhat limited.
I can't stream music off my A31p unless I open MPC-HC.

>>59606419
That sucks anon, I forgot to bring my Chromebook charger and a Dell charger when i went on holiday for the family. Stuck with the ThinkPads last weekend.

>>59606317
It'll help with video.
I found an intel GPU T60 can play 360p without much frame skipping.

>>59607938
You'll need some crazy glue
You fucked up the lid/hinge retainer, so you'll need a lid rather than a hinge.

>>59609141
I bought the cheapest patriot pyro for my X61T in 2011. Still working this day.

>>59610780
Why did you bent the pins anon? sad
Oh geez, I didn't notice the LCD til now...

>>59612622
>normal tablets
So we talking Wacom USB tablets, or expensive a shit wacom tablets?
Are we talking android tablets, Apple tablets, Windows tablets...?

I walked 6 miles once with a T60, never again
14"is lighter, but 12"you'd probably be fine with all your books.

Happy with my X61T and Helix, though I am not that super critical about pen pressure, mainly because I've yet to get an awesome wacom.

>>59613201
>kids toys on the top left screen
Please tell me there is a kid in the house and you're not a diaper fetish person...

>>59601604
Nah, also they're made of plastic. Fucking plastic instead of a magnesium rollcage.
If the X2X and X3X series was shitty in terms in build quality (compared to other thinkpads) those are fucking horrible.

>>59613360
no I recover them from dumpsters n shit

there are always useable LEDs, caps, switches, and other crap.

Any anon manage to put an M.2 SSD into the x260? I know the slot is available but I don't know if it's just for wifi cards

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Who here T61?

Is it quieter and cooler than the T60? Does the bezel bother you?

just got my first thinkpad
>X220
so cozy, and I love how light it is.

>>59614090
Did you get the IPS model?

>>59614090
Also check on the Lenovo site for the battery recall, see if yours is covered. Could get a new 100% capacity battery.

>>59614110
nope not ips, the battery new

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>>59610780
include me in the screenshot

>>59610780
another addition to my tech gore folder.

>>59601146
Does anyone here own a T420 and an eGPU setup? I'd like to buy an eGPU dock for yes, >muh games, in case I will be away from home for quite some time with my Thinkpad, so I can just bring it in a small tub with a 750ti or something and plug it in and play some vidya. I just can't seem to get a solid answer with the TOLUD issues and what not being a problem for systems with 4GB+ RAM (I have 8GB) and certain docks being unstable and all that.

I've looked into all the PE4* docks and also the EXP GDC, and the PE4's are ridiculously expensive, and some people say the EXP is shit and others say it's worked wonderfully for them.

Any advice?

>>59609266
There are plenty of T420's with 1600x900 panels that only have the iGPU on ebay. Mine came like that. Otherwise if you an iGPU-only model cheap enough for your tastes, just buy the 900p panel separately and install it yourself. They're like ~$50 average, and it's the easiest swap in the world. Just make sure you also buy the HD+ cable.

>>59614927
If you're running 16GB of RAM and an eGPU there are some screen flashing issues. Using a custom BIOS should fix this, there is an article on thinkwiki.

>>59615111
I'm currently running a custom no-whitelist BIOS with unlocked RAM speeds at the moment. I just have 8GB of RAM though. Am I good?

>>59615126
Yeah the problem only occurs if you're running 16

>>59615137
So what dock would you recommend, you think? I know I'm cheap but I'd much rather not spend $100 on a PE4(x) dock. Has the EXP GDC V8 fixed any issues of the previous revisions?

>>59613360

Ah sorry, forgot to specify. Something like their normal Wacom Intuos tablets. The USB ones, the one I have has 2024 levels of sensitivity.

Sorta debating about whether to go for a thinkpad with the Wacom aes technology or just stick with a normal lighter laptop and carrying my tablet with me. Preferably, I'd wanna stay under $1000.

>>59612030

Whacked in a t9600, 8gb of ram and a SSD. 9 cell battery on the way, and now a new charger as well.

Then stuck xubuntu on it, and it's a smooth as fuck shitposting productivity machine.

How are you finding the x9100? Not too many overheating issues?

Stupid question.

Do different models have different mouse clits? I need to get one for a r400 and a l540 (not mine, missus got given it when she started vet school), and was hoping that I could just get a pack of 10 to do both.

Is this possible?

Can i get my old x220 battery to charge in my new x230?

>>59616272
yes, you have to do the EC mod
just make sure to disable the keyboard change and flash it a few times because it's retarded and needs a few flashes to actually work

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Feels good to be in X250 master race.

Never going back to older models than this.

I'm planning on replacing my T440 touchpad with the 3 button model. I see a ton of different 3rd party chink models on ebay and amazon. Will those work well or will they feel cheap? As long as it has good reviews am I safe?

Whats the most usable 4:3/5:40 thinkpad on the market?
I only will shitpost on it and then turn it in a sort of typewriter.

>>59611785
ohh you are the guy who won the bid. The lid is pretty cheap to replace. Have fun with it

>>59615978
You can switch the different styles, heaps of replacements available.

>>59616518

Sorry, I should have been clearer.

Are trackpoints cross compatible between generations of thinkpads?

>>59616580
Yes. They're all the same. But with the 30 series and the new keyboard they changed the height because of the lower profile of the keyboard. You can put an old trackpoint on a new keyboard but it would stick out and make typing uncomfortable.

>>59616580
>>59616598
So you can but you shouldn't put the same clit on both laptops. The R400 cap will be fully compatible with the L540 but it will make it uncomfortable and it might even touch the screen when the lid is closed and leave some ugly marks. If you get caps for the L540 these won't fit on the R400 though.

>tfw you managed to score one of the 95% color gamut 1080p screens for your T530

>>59616287
thanks man this worked perfectly. i dont get why lenovo blocked their own batteries from working on the newer laptops

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>>59601146
>mfw bought a t430 not long ago
>no hdmi, but hey, monitor has vga
>the t430's vga port just gives up once
>now my monitor is resting at the back of my room
>turns out the laptop screen has a dead fucking pixel in it
>have to wait a month for a mini dp to hdmi/vga cable to arrive from ali papa or ebay or whatever
>mfw I didn't sign up for this

Which thinkpads had built in wacom apart from W700ds and W701ds.

>>59603714
you're right, i swapped it for the ssd and now this thing is flying. thank you for talking me out of it.

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Can some of you anon recommend something for my situation?

I'm gonna buy a 14 or 15 inch thinkpad which I need to last at least the 4 years of my PhD. What I want is some decent computing power (not like fluid simulations or so but I do need to handle and analyze a lot of large datasets) and at least SSD and 8gb RAM. Battery duration is not an issue for me.

>>59616848
Btw budget around 1000€
And keep in mind thinkpads in Europe are like 1.5 times more expensive here compared to the US

>>59616859
In that case go for a T460p. These usually go new for around 1000€. If you can't find one for that price get a T450p.
If you want 15" get one of the corresponding 15" models.

BTW the p is important if you want more computing power. They're a bit thicker but it's not really noticable. Also the price is better than the regular models.

>>59616881
I just noticed, with student discount you might also find a T470p for 1000€ (or a little bit more). These arent widely available yet though.

>>59616848
>there's still people who buys labor value theory

>>59616881
>>59616886
Thanks for the advice, I'll try to see if I can get student discount somewhere. I don't need to buy it immediately, probably in a month or two maybe that'll help with availability

>>59616914
Waiting for a few weeks would probably help with the 70 series but if you can't find one, the older models aren't really that much weaker. Intel hasn't really made a lot of progress over the last few years.

>>59616898
>the value we place on a good appears to be subjective
this is the truth though. if it wasn't, how could apple possibly get away with their shit

Are thinkpads just a meme or are they really the best option for a student on a budget?

>>59616598
>>59616624

Awesome, thanks for the help

>>59616718
>>mfw I didn't sign up for this
You bought yourself a used laptop without bothering to check port compatibility with your monitor. This is the definition of signing yourself up for this.

>>Location:
>Central Europe
>>Price range:
>$500-$650
>>Size range:
>14
>>Performance requirements:
>Excel, business stuff, movies. I need a long-lasting battery
>>I was thinking of
>X1 Carbon 3gen or T460 (not s)

>>59617180
It would be kinda hard to find a T460 for that price in Europe. Maybe a T450 which is not worse in any way really. If you want good battery life you should also consider that you might have to get a new battery which adds to the price. I'd stay away from X1C if I were you. Switching the battery on those isn't as easy as removing the old one and popping in a new one. These have to be opened up completely for battery replacement.

>>59617223
Not to mention a T series is way better equipped in terms of ports and it has a docking connector which the X1 Carbon does not have.

>>59617153
b-but muh vga port... should I really check like 3 possible compatibilites? Used laptops or not, this is annoying as fuck.

Interested in an eGPU setup for my T520. What are the go-to parts? (i.e dock, gpu, psu, expresscard)

>>59617244
>should I really check like 3 possible compatibilites?
what the actual fuck? you don't need to check any compatibility. you just get informed about the ports you get before buying a computer. jesus christ what the fuck? it's not like you have to study data sheets to find out what your options are.

>>59617244
>>59616718
I don't really want to know why you don't have a display port monitor, but really, why don't you have one, it's been the standard connector for years...
The real questions are:
>Why didnt't you get informed before you bought the laptop?
>Why do you order an adaptor from "ali papa" when you could just get it on Amazon?
>Why didn't you buy the laptop from a trustworthy dealer to ensure that all your ports are working?

I'm considering a x230 with i5 3320M 4GB RAM and 320GB HDD for 199€.

What upgrade order would you recommend?
I was thinking SSD then battery, then RAM. I can't afford it all at once.

>>59617376
i7-3940XM

>>59616718
>ali papa
what's that?

>>59617386
>55W quad in an X2xx

Good god that wouldn't end well

Can you even upgrade the X series thinkpads? I know the CPUs are soldered down, but don't they still use a normal socket, that one could conceivably upgrade if they went to the effort of messing with solder?

>>59617386
>>59617441

Not considering a cpu upgrade for now but SSD / RAM / battery and screen

>>59616941
>Intel hasn't really made a lot of progress over the last few years
That feel man

>>59617458
>LP125WH2-SLT1: best IPS panel available for the X230 - less ghosting than SLB1/B2/B3 models, and superior AH-IPS panel which is slightly brighter and more vivid than the E-IPS panel of the B series

>mSATA SSD, not really worth getting a top tier Samsung 850 EVO since the mSATA slot is a little on the slow slide, just get a cheap Transcend/ADATA/MyDigitalSSD or even a cheapo chinkshit KingFast/KingDian off ebay if you're feeling dangerous

>1866mhz RAM, flash coreboot to unlock the RAM speed, what are you a pussy?

That's all I can think of for now.

>>59617223
You mean T450 or T450s? And in which configuration?

>>59617499
That really depends on your needs. They usually come with Ultrabook CPUs. If that's enough for you get a T450. Not the slim version though, they don't have good battery options. If you need more performance get a T450p.

>T520 with dGPU heatsink, i7-3720qm and GTX1050 eGPU

Enough to run witcher 3?

>>59617549
Maybe. The CPU is obviously the bottleneck but yeah, it might run.

>>59617549
>Laptops for gaming
>Thinkpads for gaming
I mean it's your choice but come on anon

>>59617589
Really? Ivy quad at 3.6ghz would bottleneck 1050?

>>59617619
meantfor>>59617560

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>>59611342

>>59617549
>>>/v/

>>59617458
You can't upgrade the cpu anyways.
>>59617497
if you aren't going to go with a nice ssd then don't bother with 1866 ram, you won't notice a difference.

>>59617244
vga is shit tier

>>59617018
for about 200+ euros you can get a very light tablet with goat keyboard that can handle all current operating systems including osx, so, yes.

>>59617619
It only takes ~60 cpu load on just 1 core to start to see a cpu bottleneck.

What's the cheapest place to get a new gen 5 X1 carbon? I can buy it either when travelling to the USA or in Australia.

Is the build quality and keyboard of the 2017 X1 carbon good?

>>59617844
The keyboard feel is the same as always but the build quality isn't the best. The keyboard has a terrible amount of flex to it.

>>59617858
>>59617844
https://youtu.be/XCOHTLNMvCE?t=1m52s
Look at what happens when Granny presses down on the keys. That's horrible.

I'm considering a t460p

1200€
I5 6640HQ 2.6ghz
Intel hd530

1300€
I7 6700HQ 2.6ghz
Nvidia 940mx 2GB

Both have 1080p LED, 8gb ram, 256 SSD.

Is the 100€ extra worth it? There's a discount on that model for some reason. I don't really play games at all, is the i7 even worth anything more? I don't do 3D video rendering or something so idk if the hyperthreading has any usefulness at all

>>59617871
>thin as fuck laptop
>should have next no empty space or anything below the keyboard
>it still manages to flex regardless
sasuga lenovo

>>59618001
That i7 is a reasonable enough step up going off benchmarks.

If you won't be able to take advantage of the better specs then it's a bit up in the air, but I would imagine the extra 100 would pay for itself if not end up being worth more if you resell it.

Should I buy a T520?

>>59618067
>I would imagine the extra 100 would pay for itself if not end up being worth more if you resell it.
That is a very good point I hadn't considered.

What about hearing though? Will it run hotter because of the card? Or mostly not if I don't use it heavily

>>59617871
>>59618067
REEEEEEE I JUST WANT A RECENT LAPTOP WITH GOOD BUILD QUALITY AND LINUX SUPPORT
IS IT TOO MUCH TO FUCKING ASK FOR A T420 WITH KABY LAKE

>>59618150
>>59618067
The T series models are better though. To be honest, I think this year's T series is among the best ever made.

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>>59618150
we can always hope the Thinkpad Clasic gets released.
It probably won't be but we can always dream

>>59618172
I was considering getting a new one (t470/570, not sure which one), but it looks like the t470 and 570 only have 768p? In fucking 2017? Also is the build quality still poor?

>>59618233
>All the actually good features of the older ThinkPads (good aspect ratio, good battery life, good keyboard layout, good travel on keys, thinklight etc) are now considered """""retro""""

>>59618239
>but it looks like the t470 and 570 only have 768p?
that's bullshit. they come with 1080p IPS and I think there are even some 4k touch models. 768p is an option mainly for businesses that want to buy them as cheaply as possible in truckloads. the build quality is great from my experience. I've had a chance to test a T470 and it's enormous compared to older Lenovo models. they finally managed to match at least the late IBM models

>>59618239
>>59618239
The 1366x768 res is an option they still offer for some reason. Companies buy a lot of laptops at once and they typically don't care if their employees get eye cancer. But I gotta say, it's pretty retarded even offering this. The 1080p option only costs like $100 more. On a >$1000 machine it's mandatory if you ask me. I'm OK with the 768p screen on my X230 but if I were to buy a new laptop it would at least have to be 1080p.

>>59618172
How would you say the 460 series compares to the 470? Considering they cost about 30% more

>>59618134
Thermal differences should be reasonably minor if the dGPU is effectively off. Of course I'd be amazed if it produced absolutely no heat at all even when off through the bios, but you'd probably a bigger heatsink anyway which could offset it I suppose. In terms of straight up dGPU vs iGPU though, as far as I know even late models will give better power and heat efficiency on the iGPU.

>>59618150
>IS IT TOO MUCH TO FUCKING ASK FOR A T420 WITH KABY LAKE
What does Kaby Lake even have going for it? As far as I see Sandy, and even more so Ivy, are barely behind in performance. The biggest gain beyond battery life would just be getting pcie SSDs. If you just want a thicc bricky T420 then stick with it or go with a T430 for a similarly negligible performance boost.

Bought a t440p for 450€
i7 4700mq
HD+ screen
16gb ram
256gb ssd
is that a good price ? also fairly new and I'm from Germany so every thinkpad is a bit more expensive

>>59618343
Build quality on the 70 series is better and they finally went back to the right color (between 40 and 60 they used some sort of lighter grey) but the difference in performance is virtually non existent.
BTW the 60 series is only cheaper because it's older.

>>59618360
Very good price, especially in Europe. Where did you buy it?

>>59618485
bought it from ebay-kleinanzeigen which is like craigslist for 315€ and paid 135€ to unlock the BIOS, dont worry he provided all the receipts. apparently the seller bought like 20 of them for his company and one of his workers there forgot the bios pass

>>59618501
Which seller? I live in Germany too and was looking at 450p but for that price... Might go back one seriew

>>59618519
private seller, only one he had for sale

>>59618528
Damn consider yourself lucky then

>>59618597
thanks, I was worried i overpaid

>>59618597
>>59618360
also has the 730m gpu

Asking /tpg/ might be a pointless pursuit, but I was thinking about selling my 2 year old Acer Aspire to a friend for a little less than half the price I paid for it, (300) and getting a t420 instead, because I built a desktop and very rarely use it. Should I do it? I obviously would only spend about half the price of what he is paying me for a t420

>>59618501
>and paid 135€ to unlock the BIOS
wew lad

>>59618761
what would you recommend ? t440p is quite complicated to unlock/reset BIOS

>>59618782
who did you pay? the seller or some repair shop?

>>59618878
repair shop

Is the 4K display of the T570 overkill?

>>59619097
>not getting the 8K

>>59619097
4k is never overkill. You need scaling of course

>>59619178
>getting 8k when you could actually get the non display option with USB brain interface that you plug in the back of your head matrix style

>buy used x220 i5 2,5ghz
>upgrade ram to 8gb
>add a 120gb msata ssd and install win10pro on it
>it boots faster and works smoother than the latest fujitsu celsius h with win7pro i've got from work
is this the power of thinkpads or is win10 really that much faster?

>>59619293
>USB brain interface
>not even type c
dude, come on.

>plug in the back of your head
ugh, wires, so 20th century.
go wireless already, cunt.

>>59619316
Win10 -is- faster but has plenty of drawbacks. Also consider this: Your fujitsu celsius h is still different hardware. You should have tried win7pro on that thinkpad my dude.

Personally I gave up on using W10 on it but maybe with creators update I will probably put that shit on it again. Who knows.

>>59619316

Have you got everything working on w10?

I really fucking hate this image retention on the x220 IPS

>>59619343
>creators update
meh, how many times will they disappoint us?
I, for one, have no real expectations from the coming update.

Hey guys, I know this might sound a little bit weird since most people dislike it, but

Is there any good IPS panel for the X220 that is also glossy? I mean one with no issues at all. I'm trying to find that shit on europe but the cheapest IPS panel I could find that is not shit costs 80€ and it's matte.

>>59619344
so far, yes. Fingerprint Reader works fine with windows hello, camera works, trackpoint+trackpad, wifi, Ethernet - just install the drivers from the lenovo site, some are officially win10, for the other ones just take the win8 ones.

>>59619343
mine had win7pro preinstalled, but i fucking hate it for personal reasons. and since win10 works better with ssd than win7 and i'm dependend of the latest versions of MS Office, win10 it is.

>>59619369
I don't have that many but I always expect this one update for this one sucky version of Windows that turns it into something usable, like XP SP3, Vista SP2 (well ok, this has several other problems but still far better than the abomination it was at the beginning), 7 SP1, 8.1 update 1.... know what I mean?

>>59619395
hmm, i understand.
every new update gives us a new hope,
every new update breaks our every last hope.

but of course if this update turns out to be the XP SP3 for win10 then kudos to MS.

we'll see.

>>59619395
>know what I mean?
not really, win10 is fucking shit

>>59619452
no, it's not, it's fine.

>>59619452
What I mean doesn't contradict that statement either. It's shit now, but it can become decent in the future.

>>59619357
Same. But from what I've heard it depends on which one you're getting, am I wrong on that? I don't really know which to look for, just went with a cheap one..

>>59619476
yes it is.

>>59619513
It doesn't happen on the X230 IPS panel and that one is compatible with the X220. If you can find a broken X230 for a good price you could actually transfer the whole lid including hinges.

>>59619578
can you tell me why without the use of memes from 2015?

>>59619578
It's ad ridden spyware with an inconsistent UI and unnecessary restrictions.

>>59619481
>it can become decent in the future
Yep and Hitler could have become an astronaut. But how likely is that really?

>>59619585
so, basically every other consumercentric os?

>>59619609
Yes. So? The fact that all others do it too doesn't make it better.

>>59619600
He shouldn't have shot himself in the head then.

Now that you say it Microsoft shouldn't have shot itself in the head either with their retarded square interface to shill their failing tablet and phone department.
>Hurr touch is the future.
It's not and fuck Microsoft for pretending it is. We've had touch screen laptops since 10 years and nobody likes them

>>59619609
>windows 7 and 8.1 have ads and forced updates
Not really tho but keep trying, Pajeet.

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Can you you boot from ExpressCard SSD on thinkpads?

Is there any hope for upgrading the t420 screen? I tried google and it seems the guy that sells the parts stopped

Is it possible to swap Cardbus/SmartCard module with Cardbus/ExpressCard on T61?

>>59614030
>widescreen
no anon

>>59610263
I would like to know too. I've seen one person say yes but I'd like more confirmation.

T430S

Any way to make the middle mouse button work as a scrolling key? It's currently just working as a middle mouse button.

Thanks for memeing me into buying these shit ThinkPads. Lenovo quality is terrible on the T420. I've had 2 keyboards break on me in the past 2 months. Both of them got fucked at the connector and now some keys refuse to work. Apply pressure on the connector and everything works again. Pull off the pressure, it's shit. How the fuck am I supposed to fix this? I'm not going to buy another keyboard. This laptop has sucked enough money already. Do I super glue the connector or what?

>>59622388
> break on me
troll harder, faggot

>>59622416
Fuck off cunt. The keys refuse to work, I would call that breaking. This has happened with 2 keyboards. The first one was the one that came with the laptop, the other one was an OEM. If you have a solution, post it. If you don't, then go on licking your piece of shit ThinkPad

>>59622487
Buy BMP shitface, no one uses memepads in 2017

>>59622856
Maybe you're right. ThinkPads are genuinely terrible. The build quality decreases with every generation along with Lenovo's customer service quality. Those guys are fucking cluless. I've never bought an Apple product, but maybe I will have to. At least I'll be assured of it's reliability.

>>59621090
No. They're better used for adding additional USB 3.0 anyways

>>59622380
Yes, if you use Windows, and you install proper drivers.

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the driver issue around 10-series egpu setups is driving me nuts. a low profile 1050 ti would be so perfect, but nothing past 375.63 works (and it'd be double-fucked if the thinkpad didn't have pcie hotswapping). whyd nvidia have to break it

>>59623037
Ebin troller

>>59623080
This is not entirely true. On Windows you have 2 options.

>1. Use it for scrolling
>2. Use it for middle click

>>59622380
You can't have both unless you're using a program called TPMiddle.
http://users.v-lo.krakow.pl/~mwrobel/programs/tpmiddle.html

Does anyone here own a y520? If so, can you compare it to the inspiron 7567?
They look identical, spec wise, but how is the battery life?

>>59623086
the driver issue around 10-series egpu setups
please expand on this. what egpu setup do you have?

I'm broke and need to sell my w700ds.
Anyone interested?

>>59624594
Pic?

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>>59624594

Does anyone know the battery life of the y720? How is it if you just use it for regular work or wifi?

>>59624594
$50

>>59624945
sent ;)

>>59624799
$51

>>59624225
basically, after the nvidia drivers got past 372.70, egpu setups over pcie connections without hotswapping capability (non-expresscard mostly) stopped working with 10xx cards. after 375.63, no 10xx card would work at all.

there's a new trick that popped up where you install 368.81, then change some registry stuff, making sure not to reboot, then install the latest driver. it's a little jank but some people report it works. this won't work for 1050 (ti), some later 1060s, and probably the 1080 ti, because they didn't have driver support until after 368.81

short of it is: 1050 ti egpu + thinkpad can run over expresscard with 375.63, but nothing newer until someone figures out a hack or nvidia shape the fuck up. hope [dumb game you want to play] lets you run it with an older driver installed

7xx and 9xx not affected at all. any issues with those is a whole different mess, but usually not a problem or fixable on thinkpads. my x220 + expresscard adapter + 750 ti runs fine

>>59624799
$500

>>59625565
>. my x220 + expresscard adapter + 750 ti runs fine
name a couple of games and how many fps you get
I wanna do this too but I've read somewhere the e-gpu works at pcie x1 speeds.

New thread:
>>59625711

>>59617549
3720qm is still powerful by todays standards just make sure it isnt throttling and you should be ok