PIA VPN

>>59595371
They're worried they won't be the only ones selling your information now

>>59595410
I don't think you understand the draw of VPNs. If so much as a whiff of what you're suggesting leaked out, they'd be out of business in no time.

>>59595371
>>>/r/eddit

>>59595371
wtf i hate VPN now

>>59595371

>Every single one has an R prefix

Really flares the ol' neurons

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>>59595371

>Senator Blunt
>Senator Boozman

>>59595498
*Suffix

>>59595434
What is a NSL.
What is a government honeypot.

Yeah let's trust the VPN which is based in America and has suspiciously incredible price to performance ratio

>>59595371
If you still support Republicans after this then you need to go see a fucking shrink, because you're either filled to the brim with anger and taking it out by "voting against the SJWs" or just a delusional idiot stuck in an abusive relationship.

>>59595498
It's a Republican proposal. The way politics works is you never vote across party lines even if it's something you are for. Fucking stupid, but I'm sure if this was a Democrat proposal you'd only see Ds.

>>59595569
>VOTE DEMOCRAT WERE THE GOOD GUYS!
>*Votes for TPP*

PIA is one to talk lmao. They caved into LEA one time and a guy got arrested. If you want a TRULY private VPN I'd suggest Mullvad among others

>>59595569
For me, it's more:
Voting against SJWs
Voting for social conservatism (transgenderism, for instance, shouldn't be normalized)
Voting for the only party that seems to put American citizens before foreigners
Voting for muh guns
Voting for muh taxes

>>59595539
It's a prefix, dumbshit

>>59595570
Even here the delegates vote for something even if the proposal isn't from their party.
I thought our government was dumb but when I see the American one, not that much.

Btw, why are Republicans against gun control (and that's a good thing to be against it) but authoritarian control of the internet history of millions of people don't bother them ? I don't get it

>>59595371
>takes out a full page ad in The New York Time calling out 50 senators
nobody reads Fake Times anymore

>>59595776
Okay Cletus

>>59595828
>voting for American interests is now being a redneck

Wtf I love Dixie land now

>>59595549
You're autistic kiddo

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>pushing fake news propaganda
>good marketing
The point of the bill was to take power away from the FCC and give it to the FTC. This is to ensure FCC censorship powers are never an issue with the net.
https://archive.is/Ma3ez
shilly, but this explains it fairly well. They're just moving power from the FCC that Obama implemented during the net neutrality false dilemma psyop to the FTC – which means content is not to be censored (which is the power of the FCC)

The senate wasn't voting to "allow" ISPs to sell net histories to 3rd parties. It's just repealing Obama's bullshit in order to shift power to a non censoring entity (FTC). How many times does it need to be repeated?

>>59595807
Its more like the freedom of the Corporation to so what they want

>>59595569
Does it count as support if you're gritting your teeth and choosing the side that'll screw you over in slightly less unpalatable ways?

>>59595807
None of it is really logical. Republicans are all about guns because being backed by the NRA gives you tons of votes from the pro-gun crowd. Guns also happens to be part of redneck culture, along with country music, pickup trucks, and Evangelical Christianity. That's huge if you want votes.

On the other hand, Republicans often side with big businesses and the whole free market thing, so allowing ISPs to sell your internet history goes along with that.

>>59595840
>American interests
You mean the narrow interests of some rust belt shit holes. I know the box factory seems like "the economy" to you but unfortunately for you and your neighbors, the country has moved on

If Trumpism was actually implemented (which it won't be because business leaders would flip their shit and get him impeached in 2 seconds) we'd end up in an Argentina style nosedive

>>59595896
>$0.50 has been deposited into your account from the Comcast™ Public Relations Taskforce

Once that legal protection is removed, it ain't coming back.

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>>59595498
>Paul (R-KY) not on the list

>>59596031
He didn't have to vote, he co-sponsored it

Somehow he thought abstaining would escape attention though

>>59595371
Does the Republican party exist solely to fuck over the people of America?

>>59595970
Yeah good thing we have the narrow interests of those rich people to save our country.

See these liberal schmucks, constantly contradicting themselves in every post.

>>59596058
Yep, just like the Democratic Party.

They just have disagreements over how, exactly, the people should be fucked over

>>59596058
These days? Yes, it's corporatocracy: the party. Congrats on noticing.

>>59596058
Actually Cletus, the Republican party was founded to free poor black people from their Democrat masters.

>>59596066
>those rich people
Along with every other sector of the economy other than bashing nails into boxes. It's not 1958 anymore, Cleetus. We are an advanced economy, at something that economists refer to as the global technological frontier. Bashing nails doesn't cut it anymore, that's for undeveloped countries. You should have stayed in school.

BTW, "liberal schmucks" like me are in favor of progressive taxation. There is no logical reason why the massive economic growth had to go entirely into the hands of a small % of the population, except that conservative schmucks like you got hoodwinked into believing in trickle down economics and when that didn't work, you were fed a line about how gays and minorities are why you're not a winner.

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>>59595498

>>59595371
>All Rs
lol, thanks /pol/

>>59596073
What are the Dems trying to pass that will fuck us over?

>>59596161
TPP, dumb fuck

>>59596171
Why are you so angry?

>>59596123
>We should listen to Economists!
>We need to tax the rich!

I'm guessing you have never taken a class on Economics?
Wow, really gets me going.

>>59596161
The NSA programs that Snowden leaked were all the doing of a Democratic administration, remember?

Along with the whole "I, the President, assert the right to kill people by drone anywhere in the world based on secret evidence, and zero legal accountability anywhere" Dems defended it to the hilt.... when it was Obama doing it. Now suddenly they're aghast that Trump has the same power they asserted for themselves.

>>59596176
Why are you so fucking stupid that you don't know what the TPP is?

Didn't governors use to appoint senators? The GOP would have a 60+ majority right now if that were still the case.

>>59596199
Increased surveillance on civilians is a Republican idea.

>>59596171
The TPP was supposed to be a hedge against Chinese hegemony in Asia. I wasn't exactly a fan, but if Trump is supposedly going to "beat China", axing a major anti-China international agreement just to placate some illiterate hillbillies seems a bit hasty.

>>59596209
Nope, state legislatures. Changed by amendment in (I believe) 1911.

You're right about the outcome though.

>>59596190
Actually I have. But I can tell you haven't
>taxing the rich is bad
>wat is the laffer curve
Another thing for you to look up

>>59596123
>"liberal schmucks" like me are in favor of progressive taxation
b
So essentially, you want a slave class?
Progressive "liberals" (you're not actually liberal), want to keep a sector of the population in slavery so that shit can be cheaper for the rich and middle-class.

>"But we tax the rich too!"
Because the rich doesn't have the economic means to avoid taxation? What happens when these rich people get up and leave without any consequences, since progressive liberals like you also believe in free trade?

>>59596205
Sorry about your life.

>>59596171

>Dems are fucking us over by killing Chinese economic supremacy over half the globe

Really makes you think. I thought you niggers sucked Putins dick, not Jinping too.

>>59596211
The Patriot Act passed the Senate 99-1. All Democratic Senators save one (Feingold, D-WI) voted for it.

You may recall that the Democratic party showed little enthusiasm at sinking the thing when it was up for renewal, also. They made a few noises about abuse but, since a Democratic president was in office, at the end of the day they wanted the vase, unaccountable executive and national-security apparatus to stay where it was.

>>59596218
That is complete bullshit, considering the TPP was written with the intentions that China would also eventually join.
The TPP was created to enforce American patents on third world economies.

>>59596232
Taxing the rich is BAD. Most economists will say the same. Mankiw has said several times that taxing the rich takes away the incentives of being rich.

>>59596254
see
>>59596265

>>59596280
>Taxing the rich is BAD

We've gone full Republitard in this thread.

>>59596242
>So essentially, you want a slave class?
What, actually, do you think progressive taxation is?
>Progressive "liberals" (you're not actually liberal), want to keep a sector of the population in slavery so that shit can be cheaper for the rich and middle-class.
lmao
>Because the rich doesn't have the economic means to avoid taxation?
They do, and we should be working on ways to fix that. For instance looking more closely at the way dividends, capital gains, and so on, are taxed.
>What happens when these rich people get up and leave without any consequences
What, indeed? By the time the ultra-wealthy have decided they're better off in Dubai, we're all fucked anyway. We're a long ways from that, though.

>>59596294
>your dumb!

Amazing argument, shouldn't you be on /pol/?

Friendly reminder that there is exactly one rate of tax that is fair and just, and that's 0%

>>59596265
>considering the TPP was written with the intentions that China would also eventually join.

Fucking what?

China's proposed RCEP trade deal was started as a counter to TPP because they were not part of it. They tried to sweep through RCEP quickly before TPP could be finalized.

RCEP progress stalled once TPP came around to it's 2014 negotiation because it was progressing faster. Only for RCEP progress to begin anew once the orangutan killed TPP.

>>59596294

Socialism never took root in America because the poor see themselves not as an exploited proletariat, but as temporarily embarrassed millionaires.

>>59596297
So essentially you just said that your policies would fuck us over? Congrats, the ultra-wealthy generally are a lot more fiscally smarter than politicians. As soon as someone suggests your stupid economic-hurting policies, most ultra-rich people would be packing their bags, oh wait they already are.

>>59596280
>Taxing the rich is BAD.
Sure, just tax everyone else until they vote a retard into office who promises to burn down the whole house. Or just start rioting in the streets. That's much better.
>Most economists will say the same.
Nope.
>Mankiw has said several times that taxing the rich takes away the incentives of being rich.
Taxing anyone at all, according to a certain theory, takes away the incentives to work at all. Trouble is that isn't really how it works in real life because you're talking about a 100% tax rate which has (mostly) never been imposed. The question is not whether to tax. It's a given, mainstream economics says yes, tax people. Including rich people. The question is how much can you get away with before it's counterproductive. At this point in time, we are far below the optimal rates, mostly because of the way wealth and executive compensation is structured.

>>59596321
>Fucking what?
So you're severely stupid, huh. Obama even said he wanted China to eventually join.

>>59596330
>So essentially you just said that your policies would fuck us over?
No. What I said is that at the moment, increasing the taxes on the ultra rich is not going to drive anyone out of this country. And by the time you morons have fucked up this country by building walls and starting trade wars and trying to micro-mange the US economy via twitter, we're going to have much bigger problems than some plutocrats moving to Dubai. Fucking idiot.

>>59596342
>Sure, just tax everyone else
They already do that. How much capital do you think rich people have? Enough to sustain the current government? No. Enough to sustain batshit insane progressive policies? No.
Do you know who will actually be taxed? Oh that's right, everyone else.

>>59596369
>Enough to sustain the current government? No.
They actually do

The top 10% pays 90% of all the taxes

>>59596359
WE ARE ALREADY IN TRADE WARS YOU LITERAL FUCKING RETARD. WHY DO YOU THINK THE PRICE OF OIL HAS BEEN DROPPING? IT'S BECAUSE OF A TRADE WAR WITH RUSSIA

Try Mullvad, this shit is good

>>59596375
also just to add, the top 1% pay half of all the taxes

>>59596369
>They already do that.
That's the point, cleetus.
>How much capital do you think rich people have? Enough to sustain the current government?
What you seem to think I'm saying is "steal all their shit". That isn't what I'm saying at all. What I'm saying is that currently there are vast amounts of untaxed capital floating around:
http://www.economist.com/news/leaders/21571873-how-stop-companies-and-people-dodging-tax-delaware-well-grand-cayman-missing-20
and as a result, people (rightly) feel that the middle and lower classes are bearing the brunt of taxation and that the super rich are not paying their fair share. Paying their fare share is what needs to happen.
>Do you know who will actually be taxed? Oh that's right, everyone else.
I dunno about you but I don't personally have any friends with a bunch of offshore bank accounts and I'm sure neither do you.

>>59596375
You're a fucking idiot.
How much is the deficit even after the top 10% are taxed?
Your solution is to drive us even deeper into debt, what a great idea!

If there were no Republicans in the world we would literally have world peace.

>>59596402
According to your friend, the Rich is getting taxed 90%. Care to explain how the rich aren't giving their fair share?

>>59596405
The deficit comes about because of poor spending decisions and the raw ability to just offset your budget with money that you don't have. This isn't new, its been around since the early 1900's

>>59596419
>the Rich is getting taxed 90%.
Thats not what I said you dumb fuck

I said the top 10% of americans pay 90% of all taxes.

Thats not a 90% tax rate, thats all the taxes collected, 90% of it came from the top 10% of americans

>>59596420
>because of poor spending decisions
And your magical policies would change this?

How much is being spent on Obamacare already?

>>59596419
I like how you're asking me because you're too much of a pussy to ask him.

>>59596436
>And your magical policies would change this?
not who ever you assumed was making policy suggestions but you either have to push or pull or both

tax more, or cut more, or tax slightly more and cut slightly less. Thats how it'd be fixed

>>59596440
>You/re a pussy!

Stellar argument, as expected of a Liberal.

>>59596436
>How much is being spent on Obamacare already?
Not much more actually, the fiscal budget from 2013 to 2014 doesn't really have a significant amount more money dedicated to it for public healthcare spending.

>>59596434
>I said the top 10% of americans pay 90% of all taxes.
So it sounds like...the rich are paying their fair share.

>>59596465
>The non-partisan office [Congressional Budget Office] estimates that the program will cost the federal government $1.34 trillion over the next decade, an increase of $136 billion from the CBO's predictions in 2015. In 2016 alone, Obamacare will cost a total of $110 billion.

>>59596473
No that doesn't imply they're being taxed 90% their earnings you dumb shit.

The average marginal tax rate for a corporate entity is 39.1% where an american making some 36k a year will pay about 33% give or take

>>59596481
>lol 1.34 trillion is a drop in the bucket! Da reech will pay for it.

>>59596473
>it sounds like
Without knowing what they're being taxed on, what they actually own and earn, and how that compares to the bottom 90%, that seems like a premature assumption

>>59595776
As an extension to my fourth point ... Republicans seem to provide the best chance of keeping the U.S. majority-white.

If I'm being honest.

>>59596481
>an increase of $136 billion from the CBO's predictions in 2015. In 2016 alone, Obamacare will cost a total of $110 billion.
Its not a lot when the 2015 fiscal budget was 3.8 trillion. Its really not that much at all especially since public healthcare spending and SS and all that makes up more than 1/3rd the entire budget

>>59596506
>I voted Trump because I believe Paco the Janitor took muh jerrb
Don't worry, we knew

>>59596515
>lol $110 billion is just a drop in the bucket!

Wow this is great logic here, I'm sure that a multitude of $110 billion entities wouldn't crush the camel's back.

>>59596523
>I voted Trump because I believe Paco the Janitor took muh jerrb
Yeah, bud. According to Liberals we NEED Paco there so that we can make shit cheaper for the rich and middle class, who will be taxed so we can let a corrupt government distribute it to you, the displaced.
Lets fuck over the poor! But lets also fuck over the rich and middle class even more! Because that's smart!

>>59596568
110b / 3800b = 2.8% of the entire budget

Its not a lot, you're crying over drops in a bucket, comparatively the amount spent on social security and public health spending is about 1.33t

>>59596601
If I recall correctly several locales have attempted to kick out all the Pacos thinking whites would rush to fill the gaps

But turns out, nope! White people are just lazy and the crops literally just rotted in the fields

>>59596605
>social security
Jesus Christ, you don't understand economics at all do you?
PEOPLE PAY INTO SOCIAL SECURITY, it's a completely different operation than paying into Obamacare

>>59596637
>PEOPLE PAY INTO SOCIAL SECURITY, it's a completely different operation than paying into Obamacare
>social security spending doesn't make up the federal fiscal budget

you're a fucking retard

people pay into taxes too, you pay social security tax which goes towards the same budget. It counts

>>59596630
>If I recall correctly several locales
And where's you source on this? I mean, these rich farming corporations wouldn't lie about something like this, just as a tech company wouldn't ever lie about not being able to find qualifying American candidates so that they could get more H1B visa workers.

>>59596656
I know it's not prison planet or brietbart, so try to cope

https://www.bloomberg.com/politics/articles/2016-06-06/crops-rot-while-trump-led-immigration-backlash-idles-farm-lobby

>>59596630
gee that almost sounds like zimbabwe when the opposite happened and there's actually sources for it

>>59595896
> They're just moving power from the FCC that Obama implemented during the net neutrality false dilemma psyop to the FTC – which means content is not to be censored (which is the power of the FCC)
This. It's not complicated. I think we're being shilled

>>59596482
*Before deductions

>>59596655
>you pay social security tax which goes towards the same budget.
No, actually it does not. It goes into the Social Security Trust Fund

>>59596671
>>59596656
Oh also this, inb4 the guardian is bad
https://www.theguardian.com/world/2011/oct/14/alabama-immigration-law-workers

>>59596671
>Thinking whites would rush to fill the gap

That's literally not what happened, they literally didn't have workers because their immigrant rug got pulled from under them

You're absolutely dipshit retarded if you think it would have been solved overnight

>>59596673
Actually in Zimbabwe they displaced corporations, this case they displace replaceable workers.

>>59596671
Oh no! Those poor mega farmers won't pay a decent wage! Better import some slaves that work for $2/hour!

>>59596681
>social security isn't apart of the federal fiscal budget
yes it is

>>59595371
>not using mullvad
nu/g/ needs to be lined up and shot

>>59596682
>About 2 white people a month would actually go ask for farming jobs
tippity top kek

>>59596708
>I don't know what a trust fund is!
Yeah I figured so.
Social Security is paid out, but also given back into the economy every year. The idea is that you pay SS than get the money back when you become older. It is nothing akin to Obamacare where you pay now and someone else gets the money.

>>59596688
Yes surely all the lazy oxycodone addicted hillbillies would have jumped to wade around in dirt for 12 hours doing actual work for minimum wage. The real problem is coastie cucks with their college degrees!

>>59595549

So... Physical location is the only factor in the NSA compromising a VPN? You really think they wouldn't pull the "if you want to see your wife and kids" routine? Or just hack in to the VPN? They accept more anonymous payments. Gift Cards don't require tumbling, and if bought with cash, a few months in advance, harder to trace. They'll know you're going to PIA from the direction your traffic goes, but not which account to pin it to. They could track when data goes in and out, but that ain't really identify you 100% accurately if the VPN shares end point IPs.

>>59596747
>muh trust fund
tell me what this gigantic piece of the pie on the federal fiscal budget called "social security spending"

>>59596671
>farmer's army of illegals are no-show right when harvesting season starts
>no time to find replacement temp hires
>crops rot
>THIS PROVES WE NEED WETBACKS! OUR ECONOMY IS BUILT ON WETBACKS!

>>59596756
>Yes surely all the lazy oxycodone addicted hillbillies would have jumped to wade around in dirt for 12 hours
They were doing it 50 years ago.

>>59596758
It's too late to talk about VPNs, the people who voted for these scumbags are too busy with mental gymnastics
>b-but I knew they would do that! It's because privacy is a Chinese hoax!

>>59596763
The US government can not and has never used money collected for SS on anything other than investing it in the trust fund, that is not true for other expenses.

>>59596756
It's almost like it's a more complicated topic than simply removing the workers overnight, and you're still literally arguing for basing our food on illegal immigrants because "that's the way we've always done it"

>>59596769
50 years ago there were people alive who lived through the depression. Now it seems they'd rather cause another one because if we raise the taxes slightly on the super rich, they'll all leave. Better to set fire to the whole economy and hopefully some rich people will get caught up in the blaze :^)

>>59596747
except that the social security fund has been tapped for unrelated projects for years and it will run out of money before most of us reach retirement age.

Invest for yourself

>>59596771
>b-but I knew they would do that! It's because privacy is a Chinese hoax!
Well considering that the Democrats are so infatuated with the CIA, you'd think it would be them behind this.

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>>59596682
>article written literally 11 days after legislation is passed and illegals suddenly go running
>there's no one to hire! my crops are rotting!
wow really makes you think. it's not like markets take more than a week and a half to react to massive, sudden changes to its the worker base.

>>not paying for your vpn with bitcoins that you bought with a burner laptop which you bought across 3 state lines with cvs giftcards which you bought over a burnerphone which you bought with amazon giftcards bought from a staples

It's like you want the fbi to rape your family

>>59596792
>except that the social security fund has been tapped for unrelated projects
That has never happened. Give me one source that says it has. Just one.

>>59596786
Why are you so upset?

>>59596792
>There has never been any change in the way the Social Security program is financed or the way that Social Security payroll taxes are used by the federal government. The Social Security Trust Fund was created in 1939 as part of the Amendments enacted in that year. From its inception, the Trust Fund has always worked the same way. The Social Security Trust Fund has never been "put into the general fund of the government."

https://www.ssa.gov/history/InternetMyths2.html

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what did they mean by this?

>>59595549
>>59595371

You guys really think intelligence services need collect internet memes and "Ha ha " facebook posts of 99% of human population?

>>59596834
You'd be upset too if you were a rural and suburban retard

If you voted for any republican candidates you dont have the right to complain about this...

>>59596523
My main concern is Pajeet taking my job when I graduate. But yes, I don't think that a good, white American citizen who works as a janitor should lose his job to Paco.

Also, the beauty of the white Aryan woman must not perish from the Earth.

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>>59595371
Does anyone have an idea how much ad like this would cost?

>>59596834
Because you're trying to fuck up my country
>>59596858
Did you get confused? I'm the liberal New York City progressive

>>59596867
Actually you do. You have the right to complain, and you especially have the right complain to your Senator (the person representing you). If your Senator (if you voted for him or did not) acts against your own interests and ideas, you have every right to complain.

>>59596280
I bet you think trickle down economics work too

>>59596879
Pajeet is only taking your job if you didn't do your job in school. Do you really think senior tech managers want to hire people they can barely communicate with?

>>59596884
>liberal New York City progressive
So you're a gay jew?

>>59596924
No, I'm a heterosexual agnostic. Although you raise an interesting point. I don't know any gay Jews. All the gays I know are some variety of Christian or ex Christian

>>59596912
No, honestly I think Economists are fucking retards, but When someone is trying to argue appealing to the authority of economists, I generally try to argue with them by pointing out what the same things those people in authority are saying.

>>59596884
Rolling back decades of degeneracy and destruction to policies that put our country to the top of the world isn't what I'd consider fucking it up. But I guess you're a little more worried about losing your AIDS and hummus.

>>59596936
>pretending jew is a religion
So that's a yes, you're a jew.

>>59596936
I've met gay Jews (Jew in name only), but usually practicing Jews are more conservative than what most people on here believe.

>>59596881
No one actually reads the NYT except for out of touch old people, so probably only a few bucks.

>>59596956
No wonder he's so upset. The stupid ungrateful goyim are biting back.

>>59596944
>Rolling back decades of degeneracy and destruction to policies that put our country to the top of the world isn't what I'd consider fucking it up
Our country is still top of the world, your inability to cope with modernity notwithstanding. You're the one trying to change that fact because you think trying to shove 1950s style factories into a 21st century diversified economy is going to make you a winner. Newsflash, Cleetus: it's not.

>>59596129
>>59596140
Reminder that democrats, communists, SJWs, Feminist (basically any flavor of authoritarian left winger) want too to Monitor You and Manipulate What You See. They just want to do it their way, and not the right wing way.
basically you're fucked when it comes to politics about the Internet. VOTING WON'T HELP no matter who you vote.

>>59596129
Do you even understand the political system? Not defending the Republican party, what a bunch of cunts, but no wonder why the dems lost when they've got retards like you supporting them

>>59596997
>vote for people who take away your privacy
>VOTING WON'T HELP
The cognitive dissonance is astounding

>>59595606
Yeah either way americucks are fucked

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>>59596957
>Jew in name only
kek. doesn't exist.

> practicing Jews are more conservative than what most people on here believe
You're thinking of conservative/orthodox jews. reform are the secular cryptojews.

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>>59596857
The point is, if they collect everything they can provide only the portion that is convenient to them without context, and protect the rest as a way to uphold ongoing investigations. They can spin the data any way they like just by collecting it en mass and only showing suggestive pieces.

Furthermore, never has there been a time in history when communications have been this out in the open. It's much harder to track and index letters in the mail or in person conversation than it is just sitting back in your armchair awaiting ISP traffic to come in.

If I'm there is no reasonable evidence of my wrongdoing, then there's no reason remove to expectation of privacy, full stop.

>>59596976
Are you ethnically jewish?

>>59597044
No, but if it helps you cope better, sure. I'm literally spinning a menorah as I type this.

>>59596976
Let's speak realistically about the products produced from these Chinese factories.

Are they well-made products compared to first-world manufacturers? No I believe they aren't, I would rather spend an extra $100 on a laptop made in Japan than a laptop made in China, knowing that if it was made in Japan it would probably last a year or more over the one made in China.
We seem to think that it's okay to let the quality of our products go down as long as we make more money. Maybe that's cool if you're a manager at a huge corporation or Cleetus/Clide who eats at McDonalds or Drinks starbucks, but me honestly, I think as a society we would be better off with better made products. The truth is most people are just too stupid to realize that, hence why there are so much unhealthy people who stuff there face with shit quality food and buy shit quality laptops.

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>>59597007
Except the republicans in the OP did not take away anyone's privacy. They worked to protect it from the censorious FCC. Before the election, we were just steps away from total loss of our internet privacy with Hillary's support for TPP and SOPA and the Obama's "net neutrality" BS. Republicans aren't exactly on the 'side' of privacy but they are by a large margin the closest we have to it, libtard sophistry not withstanding.

>>59596506
I don't give a shit about white so much as being majority western.

>>59597055
Are you being paid to write your posts?

>>59596506
the truth is, the only countries that have a social justice problem are majority white.

Whites are the problem dude, the only non-whites that are SJWs are super white-washed and their families hate them.

>>59597096
>the truth is, the only countries that have a social justice problem have majority jewish control of media
fixed that for you.

>>59596763
the SS money goes directly to the fund you daft cunt

>>59597007
I only said the second, and in the context of privacy. I don't know who's your first quote

>>59597060
I'm a huge proponent of buying quality. Unfortunately the same Cleetuses who voted for Trump shot themselves in the dick by clamoring for more more more cheap Walmart shit. I've been to Walmart exactly once in my life and I have no interest in ever doing that again.
>>59597091
Yes, I'm actually posting this from the World Jewish Headquarters in a tunnel between Goldman Sachs and the ADL headquarters. It smells like matzoh and lox

>>59597113
Jews are white too.

>>59597079
>Except the republicans in the OP did not take away anyone's privacy
All evidence points to the contrary.

>>59597133
I agree there, ironically it's partially Cleetus's fault for buying cheap shit without second though, that lost him his job.

>>59597138
No, they're not. They'll say they are when it suits them. In any case, white countries without jewish infestation of every key point of power do not devolve into degenerate societies internalizing jewish/marxist ideals. It's very clear where the problem is.

>>59597155
>evidence
What, you mean all the clickbait and shill articles?
Read:
>>59595896

>>59597133
Oh, you mean you're JIDF? That's good, because my next question was going to be what you brought you here and what are your motivations? Since you're obviously not from here and are not arguing with any sincerity.

>>59597174
Can you name one such country that isn't slav, cuz those aren't white either.

>>59597199
My boss, Schlomo Goldstein ben Diamondblatt, asked me to go to /g/ because he said it's where all the smart intellectuals of the millennial generation hang out. He pays me with bagels and lattkes and only charges me 89% APR on the loan I took out to pay for my circumcision. It's a pretty good gig.

>>59597199
/pol/ here, can we seriously stop having arguments where people call the other a Jew and the conversation dissolves at that. It's getting really annoying, because complaining about Jews doesn't invalidate the other side's argument.

>>59597187
>This is to ensure FCC censorship powers are never an issue with the net.

evidence?

>>59597171
How is it his fault when wages have stagnated at 1980's levels?

>>59597245
You can thank Reagan for that. I can't remember what party he's in but I'm sure it doesn't matter.

>>59596855
>>59595371
>bill to bring regulatory power to monitor ISP privacy back from FCC to FTC, where it can actually be audited by the government and also not give special exceptions from the regulations for google, Facebook, etc.
>FCC's proposed privacy standards happen to be higher than FTC's
>this means the vote was to make selling customer data legal
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>>59597245
Because if Cletus refused to buy shit instead of opting for cheaper shit, then companies would pay him more. It's a new strategy to pay your employees more hoping that they will buy more. Lets be honest, most cheap shit is luxury items.

>>59597267
He was a Republican, but often considered the first of the neo-cons, so essentially he is what makes up both parties.

>>59597282
It's not a new*

>People pretending things will be different if democrats were in charge
They would have fucked us over just as hard. But maybe in a different way. Best get that VPN familias. You are posting on 4chan, you should already have one anyway.

>>59595644
Source? I'm buying a year of something later tonight, was eyeing PIA unless that's true.

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>>59597244
Evidence for what exactly? I can't prove to you the intentions of the writers of the bill or those who voted for it. If you're asking about FCC censorship, they're the ones regulating radio/tv broadcast and have a long history of censorship. you can find a good share of liberal kvetching because the narrative was, up until this bill was passed, that Trump would use the FCC to censor liberal underdogs on the internet.

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/rick-carnes/net-neutrality--can-we-tr_b_609392.html

less braindead:
https://www.forbes.com/sites/realspin/2015/05/21/fccs-open-internet-order-wont-stand-up-to-the-first-amendment/#35339b2b3005

>>59597337
>They would have fucked us over just as hard
moot point

even if they would have, they're not the ones in charge

>>59597337
We would've been fucked a lot, lot harder. why do you think the chans rallied behind Trump? the internet was about to be completely sold out.

>>59597359
(((They))) are in charge. It is just a matter of which sock puppet appears to be in charge. The (((hand))) controlling it is the same.

>>59595776
so you're an easily influenced reactionary with no critical thinking skills like most americans?

>>59597359
And the ones in charge have made no steps to fuck internet privacy. This bill is a good thing for net safety. The FCC was readying to censor the internet just as they do telecom. No privacy regulations were loosened, the FTT simply has existing standards that were not intended for the internet because they never covered the internet. They will have to build them again hopefully to a good standard.

And the FCC's ISP regulations, by the way, were only ever PROPOSED. They were never even in practice. And they also proposed "edge" case exceptions for Google & Facebook. Real bastion of internet privacy.

>>59597388
Staving off the slow degeneration of civilization makes you a conservative, not a reactionary.

>>59597350
>If you're asking about FCC censorship, they're the ones regulating radio/tv broadcast and have a long history of censorship
yes but is there any evidence they're doing it now? i mean, enough evidence to warrant taking away some of their power over these issues

>>59597340
Saw a post on /g/ a while back

>>59597391
Too bad people are falling for the shilling just check out reddit. Makes me sick.

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>>59597277
>blindly accepting whatever rhetoric /r/the_donald spouts out

>>59596637
ya, pay straight to grandma's next check :^)

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>>co-sponsers bill
>>realizes the internet is freaking the fuck out
>>abstains from the vote on his own bill

>>59597453
What's his endgame

>>59596853
and wha tod you thinkt he fucking fund invests in?

protip it's government backed securities.

gee i wonder what these government back securities fund?

o right, the public debt spending spiral of death we currently reside in.

fucking retard.
the fund is a sham built on the same bullshit value that the Federal Reserve claims it's power and value from

>>59597453
He's a good guy and was the most competent presidential candidate, but he thinks that if everything was deregulated everything would just run smoothly, I think he's wrong.

there are so many other things that are actual problems than this it blows my mind how people only care about specific meme shit that will barely even directly affect them.

>>59595371
>>59595371
To be honest using vpn's to avoid ISP monitoring is fine, but trying to hide from government agencies such as the NSA, CIA, etc is a far stretch.

But honestly you dont have to worry about shit if you arent a terrorist lol.

>>59597510
>Privacy is not an important issue
Stop. When does it fucking become an issue? When the NSA is legally allowed to access your webcam to watch you fap? Oh wait they already do that.

>>59597463
power, not getting voted out, realizing he fucked up and upset a demographic that tends to support people like him

>>59597399
conservatives want what they're told to want. they react to simplistic manipulation based on fear and their false sense of pride. that's how the rich and powerful manipulate them so easily. conservatism is fear of anything outside of or perceived to threaten their imagined bubble. their ideal is to trap everyone inside this bubble that they usually attach to an imagined past that never existed. you could not make a group of people more perfect to be the lap dogs of the wealthy if you bred them.

>>59596418
That's a very long way from true. We aren't the only war minded country.

>>59597096
God you must be a massive cuck. Do you let big black men take their big black dicks to your wife's cunt because you hate that you're white?
>Whites are the problem dude
Top fucking kek

>>59597633
>Simplistic manipulation based on fear
Trump is literally Hitler
>Conservatism is fear of anything outside of or perceived to threaten their imagined bubble
Like Islam being a violent religion? Or blacks committing more crime? Or that wanting to chop off your dick is a mental illness?
>usually attach to an imagined past that never existed
Like white guilt? Or we wuz kangz and shit? Or slavery reparations?

Now I am not defending conservatives but Democrats are equally guilty of all the fucking shit conservatives pulls all the time. Face it, they are both 2 sides of the same coin being played by the wealthy.

>>59596857
If they didn't think they did, they wouldn't need a billion dollar mass storage datacenter in Utah

>>59595371
>privateinternetaccess.prd

Public documents show that it's a front for comcast????

Notice none show D by their name? Republican party got bought one by one. Can't stop it. People don't care about privacy anymore.

>>59596322
Is that like accepting a lifetime of unjust suffering in the hope of meeting Jesus when you die?

i seriously doubt any vpn service like that doesn't at least cooperate with some three letter agency.

>>59598112
>People don't care about privacy anymore.
Reminder that D don't care either. NSA powers were expanded under Obama and no one seemed to care much. Both sides have been bought.

>>59595569
I voted Constitution, and for Paul in the Republican primaries.

>>59598136
Under VPN service that operates in the USA is forced to cooperate with 3 letter agencies. What it does is prevent cooperation from getting your information. Your best bet is getting some VPN that are meant to circumvent the great China firewall because those cooperate with China and they can't be bother to give a fuck about what the west wants.

>>59598166
> trusting some chinese vpn not to spy on you

you're missing the point

>>59598209
No fucking shit. I am pretty sure they all spy on you. The point is that the chinese VPN would be less inclined to co-operate with western powers than some European VPN or US VPN.

Or do you think European VPNs don't spy on you as well?

If the government wants to find out what you're doing, they will.

What they do is buy one of the relays. Then they can see where things are coming from and where it's going. Then they buy those relays, then the next and the next.

You're privacy hangs completely on what nodes you're using

>>59598237
That is why encryption is important. No semi respectable node doesn't encrypt their traffic. All the govt gets is where the data is coming from and going to and so long as it is not pointed to some FBI honeypot, you should be fine.

>>59598237

they probably just pay the VPN provider for their keys.

>>59598260
They then buy the source and destination nodes though. That's where the majority of their budget goes.

I'm not even from America but we work with them and that's exactly what they do.

>>59598283
Did you miss the part where I said
>so long as it is not pointed to some FBI honeypot, you should be fine.

I am pretty sure they are not spending money to buy trivial shit to spy on people. If they are buying destination nodes then 100% that node is some shit that is about to get honeypotted.

>>59598275
VPN that operate in HK (aka China) is less inclined to sell their keys to western governments. Everyone is spying on everyone. Pick the one that is less likely to sell you out for their interest.

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I fell for the PIA meme, I spent a full fucking year on that VPN just to figure out there's plenty of non-US based VPNs that can't get subpoenaed

>>59597406
Not that guy but a good example of FCC censorship is the list of words you can't say on TV/radio.

>>59598301
Maybe that one isn't but the next set could be, or the next. They don't buy a node then sit on it with Music/Movie downloads. They buy a whole shitload of them and wait

>>59598139
That was what I was implying. Republicans got bought out instead cause it's cheaper cause it's majority of the senate and Republicans and Democrats barely agree on even basic issues now. Democrats only fighting against it cause they didn't get a payday.

>chubby pajeet hands

Cut back on the curries, Sanjay. You want to look good for your arranged marriage don't you?

>>59598313

why wouldn't they cooperate with western governments?

>>59597420
>shilling on /g/
I don't know what the fuck reddit gets up to. stop spreading your propaganda here, the election is already over anyway. I just care about privacy and the truth.

>>59598325
So long as you are not doing illegal shit they are not going to subpoena your history. Just wait out the year I guess, if you are doing illegal shit, switch now.

On top of discussing things like the government's intentions, the FCC, net neutrality, and the likes, could anyone chip in on how to reliably stay anonymous online?

>>59598354
Because China government doesn't want western government spying on their citizens? And vice versa, if China asked data from a western VPN, they won't turn it over either.

>>59598334
>They buy a whole shitload of them and wait
Yeah. That is called a honeypot. Again, most honeypotted destination nodes are illegal shit. Again if you route your traffic using some VPN that won't turn over your info you are save. The problem is people using VPN without research and visit these sites.

>>59598381
>could anyone chip in on how to reliably stay anonymous online?
Near impossible. Even if you use TOR only. WWW? Good fucking luck. Your best bet is using a VPN that won't turn your data over.

>>59598356
S/He is getting paid by left over CTR cash. Probably decent money for keeping the lights on. Knew a moderator on another chan site that worked for CTR as well as the admin of the site. He sold the site though.

>>59598401
I'd like to add in that using TOR as of last December renders you as a suspicious person in the United States and the FBI can legally hack you for using it.

>>59598415
I'm the poster who asked this >>59598381
wow I didn't know that, do you have any source on that or?

>>59598415
Thanks Obama.

>>59597340
I use PiA and it seems fine. Tons of options and the price is pretty good. I was looking at Giganews at one point since it's usenet+VPN and some other Vyper I think. The one issue with any VPN I've run across is if you have a 50Mbit link or faster (150Mbit here) the consumer grade routers have trouble saturating your link if you use them to handle your VPN+Encryption. Might be worth looking into a better (commercial) router typically wired only that do PoE among other things. You can then just setup AP's for wireless as you need them.

>>59598393

there's still nothing that stops a rogue employee from selling the info, but i see your point.

>>59598415
Can anyone explain or support this claim...

>>59595896
>How many times does it need to be repeated?

Like all loads of horseshit, until enough people believe it. So, a bit longer.

>>59598435
>there's still nothing that stops a rogue employee from selling the info
>Selling information to a western government from fucking China
It is like you want to disappear into a fucking van forever.

>>59598427
>>59598442

https://betanews.com/2016/12/01/fbi-expanded-hacking-powers/

>>59598434
>I use PiA and it seems fine
PIA protects your information from corps but is still 100% susceptible to a subpoena from the government at which point they will be forced to turn over your data to Uncle Sam.

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>>59597406
>evidence
What the fuck do you mean "evidence"? No one is making any kind of accusation that needs substantiation. The FCC regulates indecency in cable, satellite and radio. Have you never heard of obscenity laws? They've been enforcing them more heavily since the 2000s, and punishments for breaking them were expanded in 2005. They have not yet applied censorship to the internet, but in 2015, they did make a ruling that the internet ISP falls under common carrier like telephones, and NOT disseminators of mass communication as they clearly are, because that would exempt the internet from common carrier regulations under the 1st amendment. In other words, the FCC had prepared for themselves the legal foundation to censor the internet with total editorial discretion.

>>59597082

which is the exact same thing as majority white. what do you think "The West" is?

>>59598473
It is already well known or say common sense at this point that the US government and it's alphabet agencies don't follow the law or constitution already. They don't care about the citizens and you can be sure any foreign country is a step lower than that.

>>59598473

I'm not a pedo or terrorist so I don't care about the gov wanting my info.

>>59598459
Thanks other guy for posting that for me. Yeah the new law went in pretty quietly. The only ones that reported on it were the usual tech journals/news. No major outlet gave it much coverage cause of the whole Trump election thing going on.

I still use TOR with no VPN so it's whatever to me. I don't see why I can't research personal private things in peace.

>>59598502
Except China.
Some European "claim" they don't bend to USA rules but really I rather let China see some pointless information that some white gaijin browses.

>>59598364
Doing illegal shit doesn't get you subpoena'd. Being under suspicion of doing illegal shit gets you there. And in the current political climate, in which the feds are basically split in two, its a bad time to rely on the legal system

>>59598459
omg thnks <3

>>59598505
Hi FBI.

>>59598516
I agree. But you already paid for 1 year of service might as well use it. However if you intent on doing activities that might appear to be illegal shit, fucking switch now.

so if i want a vpn after the shity senate bill passes i should get mullvad instead of pia

>>59598827
Do your own research.

>>59595498
Obama wanted an actual minestry of truth.

This is why arguing "X good, Y bad" without actually discussing the individual affairs is pointless.

It's like how my grandparents keep arguing to me about Bush when I keep telling them I don't care about Bush.

>>59598872
The scary part is the Hillary already had an acting ministry of Truth in the media conglomerates and how many people were failing to see that.

>>59595371
>not a single one from my state

feelsgoodman

>>59598505
as he posts on an anonymous board

>>59595371
Now we get to the heart of it.

All this noise has been made by a few VPN providers.

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>>59595371
As a maple nogger, does this affect me?

Republicans want to make a shit load of money and go back to a monarchy, and democrats want to genocide the white race.
There's not much winning in america.

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PIA and other VPN services right now

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>>59595776
>Voting for the only party that seems to put American citizens before foreigners
>>>/pol/

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>>59598356
>If someone doesn't agree with my political views then their just a shill

Okay buddy.

>>59599944
>implying that's why you're a shill

>>59595528
>Senator Crapo

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>>59596050
>lying so obviously just to shill against any republican

>>59595371
It's not even privacytools.io standard
https://privacytoolsio.github.io/privacytools.io/

>>59596322
Socialism never took root in America because there was an extremely aggressive anti-worker anti-union campaign by the ruling elite, pushed by the FBI and CIA, in the name of anticommunism.

>>59597493
Who needs regulations that prevent companies from putting brick dust in flour?
And regulations requiring the companies even require telling you that there's brick dust in their flour

>>59600518
>socialism
>good for the working class
You may select one.

>>59595371
>Land of the free, unless you are a business owner

>>59600600
I never said it was good for them. You may want to learn how to read.

>>59600518
No, it's because the middle class is too invested in the things they have worked to achieve and earn.

America is the only place in the world where you can be born dirt poor, but work your way up to being well within the middle class by the time you retire.

Socialism took root in places that had a peasant class, who were by definition poor, uneducated in valuable skills (working mostly manual labor, never anything requiring skills like mathematics, or chemistry) and marx or his troupe of fags could walk in, and tell the peasants hey let's flip this place, and they would go along with it because they had nothing to lose.

Well, now that the world has had it's taste of comumnism in just about every corner of the world over the last 100 years, we have come to realise that it is a retarded system that can never work, and that capitalism is the only system that enables prosperity, and it is the only system that is fair to the individuals of all strata of society.

https://youtu.be/b8CpON8VrRU?t=20m3s

>>59600676
Capitalism is hardly fair.

ALL unrepresentative power is unfair.

>>59595498
>>59595371
lmao

Eat your own shit, drumpftards

>>59596756
Holy fucking shit you dumb kike cocksucker can you go one god damn nigger fuck titty cum word without fucking insulting fucking faggot spic raghead chink?

Seriously drop the fake tourrets.

>>59600708
there is no representative power in capitalism. every person represents themselves. it's not someone else's fault that you failed to become successful.

>>59600708
you will like this

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=V6ZPg6kOBkc

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>>59600489
Why do you suck so bad at the computers?

>>59600676
>America is the only place in the world where you can be born dirt poor, but work your way up to being well within the middle class by the time you retire.

This was true until the 1970s. It has been decreasingly true since then and all signs are showing that we will have a permanent class system not unlike that of like 19th century Britain (except for the fact that, to us, it will be new and essentially unrecognizable) by the middle of this century at the current rate.

But I'm sure that won't stop you from blaming the Jews, the Chinese, the Blacks, and the Mexicans. Oh and if anyone questions that, there's always the Muslims and the Gays.

>>59595371
That sounds incredibly misleading to me. How did Senators vote for a House joint resolution? How did anyone vote for a resolution that's still in the introductory phase and hasn't even been voted on yet?

just use a VPN that don't keep logs

>>59595371
Really glad to see.

>>59598477
>The FCC regulates indecency in cable, satellite and radio. Have you never heard of obscenity laws? They've been enforcing them more heavily since the 2000s, and punishments for breaking them were expanded in 2005.

1. The FCC only regulates "decency" in broadcast radio and TV, not cable or satellite. In the latter, networks self-censor to avoid pissing off sponsors.

2. The expanded enforcement of "decency" in broadcast media was almost entirely caused by Janet Jackson's titty popping out of her dress during the Super Bowl halftime show in 2004.

Americans in tears itt

>>59595606
>playing country level family feud while both teams fuck you over
(You) are the reason this shit is happening

>>59596129
LOL Hillary was just a neocon warmonger to a higher degree

Meh, Just use your own DIY ISP and a VPN that doesn't log your IP. People shouldn't fall for this fear-mongering leftist shilling.

The House is voting tomorrow to pass the bill.

https://www.eff.org/deeplinks/2017/03/we-have-24-hours-save-online-privacy-rules
https://www.eff.org/deeplinks/2017/03/we-have-24-hours-save-online-privacy-rules
https://www.eff.org/deeplinks/2017/03/we-have-24-hours-save-online-privacy-rules

Why are my only meaningful political choices between getting fucked by corporations or getting fucked by government?

Fuck capitalism they're the cyberpunk bad guys you can't be a nerd if you read Ayn Rand normies kys

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Can someone fetch me a guide on how to vpn? I just want to watch tv-series and shit safely

>>59597277
They're common carriers so FTC can't regulate them lol.

>>59595896
>>59598477
Obscenity law predates the FCC by decades, you don't need the FCC to enforce it for example Christopher Handley and Max Hardcore.
The number of obscenity charges is mainly linked to administration and attorney general's goals.
Under Bush they founded the Obscenity Prosecution Task Force, Eric Holder dissolved it in 2011.

Trump himself signed a pledge to more aggressively enforce obscenity law.

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>>59595569
If you still vote for any of the two parties in power in America, you deserve to be shot like the idiot dogs waggling your tails you are.

Picture related.

>>59606006
it's very easy. https://greycoder.com/best-vpn-service/

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>>59602381
Wrong. Straight from their site:
>Do the FCC's rules apply to cable and satellite programming? In the past, the FCC has enforced the indecency and profanity prohibitions only against conventional broadcast services, not against subscription programming services such as cable and satellite. However, the prohibition against obscene programming applies to subscription programming services at all times.
https://www.fcc.gov/reports-research/guides/obscenity-indecency-profanity-faq

>2. The expanded enforcement of "decency" in broadcast media was almost entirely caused by Janet Jackson's titty popping out of her dress during the Super Bowl halftime show in 2004.
I'm aware. How does that change anything at all?

>>59606532
No obscenity law would apply to the internet except when it is under FCC control, and only after their "Open Internet Order" maliciously and incorrectly categorizing ISP's as common carriers and thus removing 1st amendment exemptions.

>>59606433
Thankfully that will no longer be true once the bill is signed into law.

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so this is how the clearnet finally dies?

>>59610076
With deep state funded shilling disinfo on anonymous imageboards? Probably yea.

>>59610004
>No obscenity law would apply to the internet except when it is under FCC control
This is incorrect, obscenity law does not stem solely from the FCC.
>and only after their "Open Internet Order"
Then what about the PROTECT Act of 2003?

>>59610076
The clearnet won't die from any kind of feature change. The clearnet can't die because there just aren't any viable alternatives. TOR is alright but it's slow by design and was never designed as a general-purpose networking system. Normies simply do not give a fuck about their privacy, and will gladly sacrifice all of it for a little bit of convenience. You saw the opposition to net neutrality, didn't you? The best you can hope for is the world going full cyberpunk dystopia and hyper-autists moving entirely off the main grid and onto services like Freenet with wannabes trailing behind them, but that still leaves 99% of people being spied on.

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>>59610157
>obscenity law does not stem solely from the FCC.
That isn't what I said. None apply to the internet, EXCEPT the FCC's. and none will apply if brought over to FTC. Under the FTC, we will be protected under the 1st amendment, under FCC, we are not.

>Then what about the PROTECT Act of 2003?
decent point but stretching the definition of obscenity law. if you're hoping this bill will let you post CP on the internet or be considered anywhere as a free speech right, you're out of luck. for everything else, it will protect you from FCC's narrowly avoided powergrab to censor free speech.

>>59595896
WRONG: https://www.eff.org/deeplinks/2017/03/three-myths-telecom-industry-using-convince-congress-repeal-fccs-privacy-rules

>>59610274
>None apply to the internet, EXCEPT the FCC's
18 U.S. Code § 1466A
>Under the FTC, we will be protected under the 1st amendment, under FCC, we are not.
Obscene speech is not protected by the 1st amendment, that's what obscenity law is.
>but stretching the definition of obscenity law
1466A is totally obscenity law, it depends on obscenity requirement to be constitutional. This is clear if you read the documents form Chris Handley case.
>if you're hoping this bill will let you post CP on the internet or be considered anywhere as a free speech right
Of course not real CP is illegal under different reasoning and has been since ~1982 and New York v. Ferber.
>it will protect you from FCC's narrowly avoided powergrab to censor free speech
In practice when has this happened? If they want to regulate this on the internet I don't see why they need the FCC, for example 2252A which related to 1466A applies to internet traffic because of the language "in or affecting interstate or foreign commerce by any means, including by computer" that's not coming from the FCC.
It feels like FUD to me.

>>59597974
You'd be the literal king of private trackers if you could use that as your seedbox