File Server vs. NAS

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>>59590189
>File Server vs. NAS

>>59590189
Either you build a NAS or buy one of those shitty specialized pre-built ones

There is no diference between a file server and a NAS, because NAS stands for Network Attached Storage

>>59590302
Dedicated NAS, then? I mean my options are to either set up a raid on my desktop or purchase a dedicated device for storing files like what I pictured. I assume there's a trade-off where you gain more features and power with your own server but spend more time setting it up and maintaining it compared to a pre-built device, but I wanted to know if anyone here had personal experience and a strong argument for one or the other.

>>59590461
you can use an old computer, you don't need super expensive server parts, and there aren't that many features on a prebuilt one that justifies it if you have at least a bit of patience to set everything up

>>59590461
2nd hand HP microserver is a nice compromise

Intel celeron mitx board, fractal design node, and a picopsu.

Small, silent, low energy NAS on the cheap. With 6 spots for hard drives. Plus some extra space for a few ssd.

im in the same boat, I think im leaning towards NAS because of the setup time and the access being neat and easy. The Synology line is like plug in, view the files from any device in 10 min.

My only concern is the 10gbit stuff i dunno how to start setting that up or what i really need, but I read it will make the syncing way faster

>>59590899
It won't work at full speed if the array doesn't support those read/write speeds, but you will easily saturate a 1gbit connection on sequential write/read

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>>59590189
Stop storing all of your chinese cartoons in blu-ray rip quality.

>>59590760
HP are being dicks about their drivers though

Not an issue with Linux/frisbee but still, I'm not buying another HP

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>2018
>not stuffing everything in the sicrit unlimited cloud with a mirror in a 5 bucks unlimited encrypted google account so your shit is safe even if one of them decide to die/wipe your shit

Do you even hoard, bitches

>>59590970
theres some 10gbit supported synology nas's for like 900 but i dont know the step after that. I believe i need a special network card and the drives themselves have to support it right thats what youre saying?

>>59590989
Mostly live-action porn from several sites I'm currently or was previously subscribed to. Streaming them to my smart TV via Plex makes for a very nice masturbatory experience on the couch where I can navigate just fine one-handed with a remote.

>>59590760
Thanks, I like this suggestion.

>>59591016
What drivers, exactly?

>>59591052
For 5 bucks you get like 100gb

>>59591096
the thing is that you need a lot of drives so it can reach those speeds while having some kind of redundancy, or use ssds, It's not really worth it. You will also need new ethernet cables and cards so your computers can send data at those speeds, but they will have the same problem, most hard drives will saturate 1gbit a little, but 2 gbit will already be impossible for them to saturate, leading to requiring ssds again

you will also need a good wifi access point and switches for that

1gbit is good enough unless you're moving hundreds of GB's around all the time

>>59591138
Wait, they're available again

A couple years ago I tried to find Windows drivers for my ML310 and their site basically said lol get a support contract (or something) to access drivers

>>59591229
this is why I won't buy nvidia. Until they allow consumer drivers in ESXi fuck em.

What is best OS for a NAS?

>>59591229
HP is pretty good except their "lol pay for drivers" ..
makes it easier to keep my homelab up to date since i'm a hp wagecuck - have acc :^)

NAS for home of course.

and get a synology 416play, 916+ or 1518+ and you can stream straight from the nas
dont get a synology with intel celeron 2xxx cpu though, they brick after 18month of usage (unless the warranty extends that timeframe)

>>59591303
It looks like for the ML310G5 the BIOS and firmware updates are still behind paywalls, ie. the only updates a Linux user would need

I'm still gonna say fuck HP

>>59590189
pre-built VS DIY
it really depends how much work you want to put into the thing.
There are OS's like open media fault, own cloud, freenas
Each come with their pros and cons.
The prebuilt ones are easy to use and setup, and of course DIY is all on - if you are into that sort of thing.

QNAP seems to be leader in the field, they have a lot of various plugins/apps for their OS.
Synology is behind them
WD is cheap shit apparently

I don't know how netgears/buffalo's offerings fair.
If you don't need a strong cpu (mostly for plex) then you can find a cheap 4 bay nas that will serve you well.
a prebuilt nas will generally be much more efficient power wise than a general purpose PC built to be a NAS, but electricity is so cheap it really doesn't matter

>>59591096
Not to mention your network cable would need to be able to support 10gbit as well.
I don't think cat5e can handle that , but i could be wrong

I have an itx box I use as a file server. I picked it over a NAS because I wanted to run a normal Linux distribution on it so I could run transmission-daemon, gogs, etc.

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>>59591139
>bitches don't know about enterprise account sellers

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>where's the PSU!?
http://www.mini-box.com/picoPSU-150-XT

>>59590356
>There is no diference between a file server and a NAS, because NAS stands for Network Attached Storage
A NAS is a purpose built appliance, a file server is one of many roles which can be installed on to a general purpose server.

>>59591205
>It's not really worth it.
it is

>>59591287
>this is why I won't buy nvidia. Until they allow consumer drivers in ESXi fuck em.
its easy to get Nvidia drivers to work in esxi, you just set hypervisor.cpuid.v0 in the VMX file of the VM.

>>59591985
NETWORK ATTACHED STORAGE CAN MEAN ANY KIND OF MASS STORAGE CONNECTED TO A NETWORK YOU IGNORANT FUCK

>>59592022
>Mass storage
Like your mother's cunt.

>>59592022
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Network-attached_storage
>NAS [1] is specialized for serving files either by its hardware, software, or configuration. It is often manufactured as a computer appliance – a purpose-built specialized computer.[nb 1]

stay mad anon

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I bought a $20 HP desktop without a CPU and ram. I had a C2D and 2GB in my parts bin so I slapped them in there and now it works. It's running Xubuntu, seeding my torrents around the clock (shit's cash, just seeded 150GB over night) and it works as a NAS basically. I can ssh into it and it can even run high bitrate mkv files directly, running Linux gave a nice performance boost to it.

All my old hard drives can be used and there's space for more. I'm going to buy another 2TB drive for it.

Only downside is degenerate HP engineers made the motherboard just slightly out of ATX spec so I can't fit it in another case, I'll have to custom build one for it. But it works in its current form fine.

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>tfw my samba NAS/seedbox/owncloud is just a 500gb hdd + a $8 orange pi
I only hoard music so it's enough for me, for now.

>>59592108
probably another downside: pulls 60W from the wall at idle
but mommy pays for electricity, right?

>>59592257

No, it's called a job. A job as in a real job, not part time at KFC. I can afford that extra $1 a month in electricity.

File server over dedicated NAS any day. A file server is as simple as having any low power PC, an HDD to store shit, and setting up a simplistic share. Doesn't even need to be samba based or anything complicated. My file server runs windows 7. I have 6 accounts on it (admin, family, guest) and everyone in my house is capable of streaming all my 1080p Blu-ray rips simultaneously without issue. As simple as right clicking on a folder or drive you wish to share, and setting permissions per user.

With 12TB of space for movies and music (6TB usable), the drives use more juice when running than the CPU does. (Pentium G4260 that sits idle 99% of its life). If this thread is still alive later, I'll take a picture of the little fucker who lives on my shelf.

>>59591302
temple os

>>59592257
>worried about 60 watts
do you people sit in the dark because you're too stingy to turn on the lights or something?

Unraid or Openmediavault?

>23tb of movies
>4tb of music
>3tb misc

In UK you can grab the HP gen8 microserver for just over 100 quid after cashback. Comes with a celeron g1610 and 4gb ram.
There an internal SD card slot for ESXi and an extra sata port for a boot ssd if you prefer that.
Holds 4x3.5 drives.

I'm working on this list right now.
http://pcpartpicker.com/user/Rayor/saved/Fj4mGX
In addition to being a simple file server, it's also going to act as a Plex server. I didn't go with an even lower tier CPU since a fair number of my videos will have to be transcoded depending on the device they're playing on. The SSD is obviously for the OS, and the USB drive is for backing up the SSD and then stored offsite. The 2TB drives would be run in a RAID 6 array, and the 6TB drive would be for periodic backups of the whole array and would also be stored offsite. The 92mm fan is to replace the fan on the 5 drive hotswap bay since I want high static pressure but reasonably quiet since I don't really have a closet I could throw a computer in.
Is there anything outright retarded with this setup? I've never built a server before, so I'm kinda nervous and would appreciate any help. I still need to pick out a UPS for the thing.

Don't be a retard and use ZFS or hardware RAID. The former is completely unnecessary and used for enterprise shit. The latter fucks you over if the controller dies.

>>59597253
You're right about hardware RAID. But if you're gonna do software RAID, you might as well use ZFS. You get better data integrity than you can get from mdadm for free.

>>59592257
>pulls 60W from the wall at idle
>but mommy pays for electricity, right?
About $24 a year.

>>59597278
If he's not going to have more than 5 drives >3TB or so he doesn't need it.

>>59597148
do you really need ssd for an os you're not even going to use?

consumer mobos barely ever let you raid anything outside or raid0 or raid1, unless you're doing it in software?
I'd probably just get 2 of those archive drives instead of 5 smaller ones and raid1 them.

>>59597436
Who cares if you "need" it? Technically none of us need any of this stuff. It's not like its any more expensive than another software RAID system, and it gives you some nice benefits that they don't have. Don't ask why, ask why not.

>>59591415
why would you need bios updates? theres no need to update it if the currently installed version works

if I were to set up a nas how would I make it so that my torrents download straight to the nas?

>>59597584
>this question

holy shit, fuck off

>>59597476
What if he wants to grow his array by one disk one day?
http://louwrentius.com/the-hidden-cost-of-using-zfs-for-your-home-nas.html

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>>59597595

>>59597447
>do you really need ssd for an os you're not even going to use?
What kind of OS doesn't get used? I guess I should have also mentioned that the SSD is also where the Plex database and associated metadata will be stored, since the metadata is basically just tons of small files, meaning primarily random reads.
>consumer mobos barely ever let you raid anything outside or raid0 or raid1, unless you're doing it in software?
Software RAID is the plan, since it's much more portable.
>I'd probably just get 2 of those archive drives instead of 5 smaller ones and raid1 them.
The archive drives have abysmal write speeds since they use shingled magnetic recording. So they really only make sense for, you know, archiving.

>>59597278
RAM ain't cheap no more.

>>59597597
A.) Give up on that and do two at a time
B.) Use btrfs RAID 1 (which isn't affected by the bugs that RAID6 has)

>>59597631
>So they really only make sense for, you know, archiving.
Well that's pretty much exactly what most home data-hoarders do. Writes are uncommon, and when they happen they're almost entirely sequential. Which is the best case for writing to an SMR drive, it's random writes that kill them. The data is read-mostly, and most of the reads are sequential too.

>>59597657
ZFS only needs massive piles of RAM if you use dedup. So don't do that, and it'll live very happily in 4-8GB.

NAS sounds ideal for doing backups

Suppose I wanted to do backups for multiple people on an NAS, but without exposing the data from one user to another user; how would I do that?

>>59597709
Make an account for each user's data and give access permissions of backups only to the given user. For more robust needs, e.g. data is safel even to offline filesystem access, use ecryptfs or luks on lvm.

>>59597681
>Well that's pretty much exactly what most home data-hoarders do. Writes are uncommon, and when they happen they're almost entirely sequential. Which is the best case for writing to an SMR drive, it's random writes that kill them. The data is read-mostly, and most of the reads are sequential too.
I guess it would be fine for most data-hoarders, but I actually delete movies and shows when I don't like them and keep my romsets pretty up to date so I don't think they'd be good for my use case. I'll also have more throughput with 5 drives, though I really doubt I'll run in to a scenario where it would make a difference.

>>59597822
You're not doing a bunch of small deletes rapidly though, you're deleting one big chunk in one go. That's not as big of a performance hit.

>>59597857
Updating romsets can involve lots of small deletions when existing dumps are found to be bad and replaced.
I also wanted to go with 5 smaller drives that way I can just upgrade the drives to larger capacities one by one instead of dealing with the hassle of trying to add drives to an existing array.