/pcbg/ - PC Building General - "Cores" Edition

>shilltell edition

dead thread?

thinking of replacing my 670 with a newer card. My pc looks like this

asrock z77
i5 3570k
16gb ram
gtx670
800watt psu

would a 1050 be a worthwhile upgrade? they're about $250 now

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Does anyone know if its possible to change the fan on a Zalman 9900?

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I currently have a FX 6300 and a GTX 580. Want to upgrade to either a GTX 1060 6gb or RX 470.

Will the 6300 bottleneck?

>>59583477
It's certainly possible but it's going to be a hack job. Like you take a regular case fan and you cut it up so you've just got the central part. Then with this you just stick it with glue to where it should be or whatever.

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>>59583282
r8

>>59583394

> 1050
> $250

did you mean 1060 ? get rx 480 if they $20 cheaper

>>59584060
How is a RX480 $400? Also don't spend that much on that oversized case. Get a mid tower and a better GPU

>>59583439
As a intelshill, I got to say I was pretty fucking pissed at Kaby Lake for being the same shit as Sky Lake. And now Coffe Lake is coming around and it's going to be the same shitty bag of fucking shit fuck those cunts at Intel.

>>59584076
new zealand prices bro shits fucked

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>>59584060
>250 for a case

>>59584009
>amd

That shit will bottleneck itself

>>59584099
Then what should i get to compete with the new gpu?

>>59584060
>airflow edition

Kek

>>59584111
An Intel 5th gen should be good enough while also being cheap

>>59584111

safe bet : gtx 1050 or rx 460, but may be it worth to try with rx 470

>>59584132
Yea but i want more power than that

>>59583282
>Win7 and 8.1 cannot be installed on a 200 series chipset
What?

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This seems too good to be true, am I missing something about this 1080? It's nearly $100 cheaper than any other alternatives.

https://www.amazon.com/PNY-GeForce-Overclocked-Graphic-VCGGTX10808XGPB-OC/dp/B01JOF7YGY/ref=sr_1_10?s=pc&ie=UTF8&qid=1490517278&sr=1-10&keywords=gtx+1080

>>59584124
Which one?

https://au.pcpartpicker.com/list/ngzBWX

Thoughts?

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>>59584060

>>59584060
2 b h m8 if you want to save some dosh, you can buy a rx480 on trade me for around 300 but you won't get a warranty.

Also you are better off buying a 2tb harddrive.

>>59584196
Why is that 1070 nearly $600?

>>59584228
thats Australian prices for you

>>59584060
Also 250 for a case? seriously m8 should buy one of those cheapo case m8 and use the extra monies on graphics card

>>59584217
>dosh
You're alright, friendo.

>>59584009
Help me out /g/ents

>>59584009
Unless your 6300 is running at 5.2GHz, yes, but you will still see a performance improvement by going to the new GPU as the 580 is probably your current bottleneck, and upgrading just the CPU wouldn't give extra performance.
Get a new GPU now.
Upgrade to Ryzen 3 when you can afford it.

>>59584111
Get an R5 1500 or 1600, literally no point in getting an Intel cpu this year.

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>>59584009
>>59584250
Yeah m8 it will bottleneck pretty hard

https://youtu.be/B58ciXUTlA8?t=2m31s

>>59584250
1060 btfo of a 480 so go with the 1060

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>>59584281
>>59584263
>>59584266
>>59584270
Thanks /g/ents, ill get a 1060 and probably ryzen when the money comes.

>>59584152
Can some kind anons please share their thought with me?

>>59584343
id say wait until new rx500 series comes out which will be cheaper than current msrp rx480 and drive down rx480 price. rx480 has more vram.

>>59584152
>>59584463
pny is not as well established to sell their cards at a premium price like asus.
still a good card.

>>59584281
fuck off nvidia cuck, stop shilling

If I buy a 480 8GB does it really matter having a i5-7600K or an AMD-8350? I mean, would any of those make my PC fly above Earth or go slow as a fat turtle?

>>59583282
>Consider using an i5 7500 in any RX470/480 or GTX 1060 tier build
>i5 7500
What about going for a 7600k with any of those GPU?

So only considering future proof is Ryzen worth it?

I like to milk out my cpus because I dont game much but its time to upgrade because of RAM issues. My i7 760 paid for its money back, what would you guys recommend me to buy, so it can last a lot of years.

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>>59584619
>oh noe someone told the truth!!!!!!
>quick add more vram!!!!!

http://pcpartpicker.com/user/Rayor/saved/Fj4mGX
The primary purposes are to act as a NAS and Plex server for the house. The SSD is obviously for the OS, and the USB drive is for backing up the SSD. The 2TB drives would be run in a RAID 6 array, and the 6TB drive would be for periodic backups of the whole array. The 92mm fan is supposed to replace the fan on the 5 drive hotswap bay.
Is there anything outright retarded with this setup? I've never built a server before, so I'm kinda nervous and would appreciate any help.

Here's my list, i'm kinda new to this whole PC building business so any advice would be appreciated

https://pcpartpicker.com/list/8NXsBP

I'd like to use it mainly for gaming but for working/normal daily tasks as well

BTW I'm still unsure about some parts like if I need a sound card or fan controller

>>59583477
Depends, can you change your attitude?

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Pic related is my current build.

It's three years old, so it's possible for me to make a new build and get a tax return from it (Germanfag here).

My uses include gaming and emulation (currently Nox Android emulation, I could see using Cemu in the future).

But what to upgrade? Upgrading my 4670k doesn't seem very cost efficient for the little gains it actually gets, considering I would have to get a new Mobo, a new CPU and DDR4 Ram.

Should I just upgrade my GPU and postpone upgrading my build for tax returns until Intel/AMD get their shit together? And if so, what GPU should I get?

While I try to like AMD, their GPUs have always been shit for me, with the last two dying around the end of the 2-year warranty (5770 and 7850), while my current GTX 770 is still doing its job after over 3 years.

I'm thinking about getting a GTX 1070. Thoughts?

Trying to update my old pc i3
Shoud i go gpu first?
Thinking of a 1060
or jump in the rx480 meme?

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>>59583282
Is this case any good?

>>59584943
first overclock your cpu ffs and yes gtx1070 is a good pick.

>>59584972
Depends on how gay you are.

>>59584951
they are both neck and neck but 1060 is usually better. videos like this help. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=h7EOPtAVTzY.

>>59585023
> GTX 1070

What aftermarket model does /g/ prefer?

>>59585046
Gigabyte, or Zotac. PNY is good too. I prefer reliability ;).

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Hello, need some advice from someone with a good deal of experience. I've been assembling gaming consoles from child. My computer is now almost totally AIO cooled, one on the cpu one on the gpu. They're both mounted in the front of my case. Further more I have 2 ~60 cfm intakes on the top and the PWM fan that comes with the hyper 212 as an exhaust and my gpu being a hybrid blower is also an exhaust.
This thing puts out an ungoly amount of heat. More than my fucking radiator. My 980ti is clocked HIGH at 1500mhz and runs at 60c even with the AIO. My CPU is clocked high, [email protected] and runs at about 50c under my normal load.

Is 60c through an AIO dangerous? All of the ones I've owned in the past never let the part get that hot but the 980ti is a big chip and I have a custom bios. Also I was thinking about mounting the GPU's radiator in the rear exhaust spot yet using it as intake and then reversing both fans on the top to be exhaust. Would that be superior?
Please help me optimize cooling.
Oh and how do I manage the speed of the gpu's radiator fan? Edit the bios?

>>59585193
>the 980ti is a big chip
For you

>>59585193
60c is very dangerous through any cooling solution. In fact, I would panic if my computer ever went above 35c. I have a zero phase change cooling rig that cools both my gpus, (two titan xp) and cpu, an intel 6950x and they never break 20c.

Your computer is probably broken. Consider an RMA.

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>>59585374

>>59585374
>baiting this hard

>>59585399
>>59585402
idk, that's pretty sound logic to me.

>>59585414

Its also logical that the sun revolves around the earth. After all the sun moves in the sky each day but i've never seen the earth move.

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>>59585414
Dude, consider the highest temp when you can begin worrying as manufacturer's critical minus 10-15c.
Something like
>60c is very dangerous through any cooling solution. In fact, I would panic if my computer ever went above 35c.
sounds retarded. It's naturally overcooled and you have nothing to worry about
I don't have gayming rigs, but i have A10-7850k running folding@home all day for a long time.

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I want to connect 3 high wattage fans (>6 watts) to a single fan connector on my motherboard.

Will this fuck up my motherboard?

>>>/v/

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>>59585065
> I prefer reliability ;).

>>59585536

I'd be more concerned over how many amps they pull.

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>>59585619
>I'd be more concerned over how many amps they pull.
0,55 each. Is that going to be a problem?I know jack shit about electricity.

>>59585634

Most motherboard fan headers are rated for 1A (some boards that have dedicated headers for water pumps can feed 3A).

>>59584951
Get the RX 480, it's generally better

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>>59585650
Alright, thanks. I guess I'll have to settle for the 2000 RPM version.

>>59585885

You could just, y'know, read your motherboard manual and find out what header is rated for what.

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>>59584009
I want the g4650+rx470 build, which people say is the best for the buck

Is the bottleneck thing really that bad? I mean, from what I can see, it will still suit my needs pretty well

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>>59585931
I did look that up but it doesn't say anything about amerage.

SSD or Raid0?

>>59586142
SSD, Raid0 is pretty useless actually

>>59586170
Well it's better than just one drive and redundancy is never really wasted, but it's just not going to compare.

>>59585374
kek. I mean of course it's fine for air with heat pipes where the coolant is supposed to vaporize and the cards are fine into the 80c range but I've just never had an AIO in particular work this hard. Will the pump try to circulate faster and reduce it's life span, is a waater cooler at 60c dissipating way more heat than a air cooler at 60c and thats why my room is an oven

>>59586199
Raid 0 doesn't have redundancy, if one of the disks dies your data is fucked.

>>59584060
get the fractal design define S

no better case

>>59586248
Oh yeah, I'm thinking of raid1.

I'm gonna be getting a ryzen 5 1600x. What gpu would you guys recommend with it? So far I've been thinking of the gtx 1070.

>>59583282
INTEL ADVERTISERS BUY ME A BEER BEFORE YOU DECIDE TO FUCK ME,
THANKS
-EVERY SYSADMIN AND DECISION MAKER HERE

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I use my old GPU(480) until Vega/Volta release and buy a better one

Strange problem:

New build has worked fine for over a month.

Randomly, it shut off and started going crazy trying to auto-restart. A repetitive clicking sound is heard, and the light on my GPU (Zotec 1080) keeps flashing on and off. This will not stop until I kill power from turning off the PSU. If I try to start, it happens again.

What could cause such a thing?

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>>59584152
pny is the powercolor of nvidia. They are meme'd hard for being cheap but in reality are still better than reference so I don't see what's so bad about either brand. I'd say go for it.

>>59587489
>buying pny

eat from the dollar menu for another month senpai, you wont regret it.

pny used to be a good company but they turned to shit

>>59587658

You do realise PNY build quadros for Nvidia right?

>>59587489
>4x8pin for a single card
jesus christ

How's this combo:
- Sapphire Radeon Nitro Plus RX 480 OC 8GB GDDR5
- Intel Core i5-7600K 3.8GHz
- Gigabyte GA-Z270-HD3P
- Cooler Master Hyper 212X
- 16 GB DDR4 2133 KINGSTON CL15

>>59587766

Thats an air cooled 295x2 - so thats two hawaii dies on a single board.

I am considering i5-7600K but I'm not planning on OC. Howevre the K version always has higher OOB speed. 1080p gaming.
1) Is it waste of money?
2) Had I still decided to buy this. If I'm not plan on OC-ing should I get B-series mobo?

>>59587992

>1) Is it waste of money?

For 100mhz over its locked little brother, the 7600, yes.

>If I'm not plan on OC-ing should I get B-series mobo?

Unless you need a feature found on higher tier mobos (such as more sata ports or something) yes, get a B series board.

>>59584098
pricony casethano here

any advise for silent 650w PSU?

>>59587992
>buying intel
>in 2017
dont

>>59586408
that or wait for vega

>>59587674
so fucking what? just because one small insignificant divison of a company pours its resources and time and effort into one thing doesn't mean the rest of it is worth a shit.

HP elitebooks are great, does that mean you're gonna buy HP inkjet printers? fuck no, and if you do you're a god damn dumbass.

>>59588117
why

>>59587977
I stand by it

>>59584821
480>1060

undeniable fact, come one what kind of mental gymnastics do you have in mind to try and convince yourself that the 1060 is better?

>>59587365
Upon further inspection:

GPU not the problem as I took it out.

My Motherboard dubug light indicates it can't find the CPU. Well, I think at least. The light is flashing on and off with the clicking noise (mobo guides indicates debug lights stay on continously).

Before I start messing with the CPU, what should I take into consideration?

>>59584892
plex is a fucking botnet, fuck off wit that shit you fucking newfag

>>59588144
because he thinks the 7700k isnt good.

it is good, de-lid it, oc it to 5ghz and be on your way

>>59588178

>just tear it apart to make it good!

Oh how the mighty have fallen.

>>59588202
i mean if it works...

>>59587658
Can you tell me what is shit about them? Everyone that says they're legit seems to have at least a bit of experience with the company, but everyone that says that they don't trust it or that it's not good just says it's because it's cheap. I'm not against waiting, I just see that the people that say go for it have references, but the people that say don't go for it just say that "because it's PNY"

>>59588218

>if

Yeah and if you should fuck it up thats a dead chip. Justifying the 7700k on the basis that its good after delidding is retarded in so many ways. Its like claiming the 9590 is a good chip as long as you spend more than the chip is worth on cooling parts to tame its 200w.

>>59588230
low quality, shit warranty and shit customer support. If these things don't make you think twice, well just enjoy your suffering, maybe you'll get lucky, maybe you wont

>>59588291
https://www.rockitcool.com/

next question?

>>59588340
The other card I've been looking at is the evga FTW2 with the iCX cooling on it. Do you think this one is overkill and I should just get a different brand? What's your preferred graphics card?

>>59584906
https://pcpartpicker.com/list/CK6Rhq

here i improved your build, feel free to ask why i changed what i did

>>59588218
>>59588178
>needing to delid your housefire just to get manageable temps

meanwhile amd is cooler even when they had the horribly inefficient FX cpus

>>59588429

It does show the lengths at which /g/ will go to defend Intel.

>>59588385
Been buying EVGA for years. What is or isn't overkill is up to you to decide, but frankly, with their warranty and rock solid customer support, it's kind of a no-brainer. I'm sure within seconds of posting this, MSI and ASUS shills will show up to talk about low quality this and cooler-mis-hap that, but in every single situation, EVGA has replaced the products in question when they fucked up. you can create a chart if you want to, but each and every time, EVGA will come out on top, even with their past mistakes.

>b-stock
>step up
>upgrade options
>extended warranty options
>Advanced RMA options

I dunno man, if i'm gonna spend a few hundred dollars on something, I'd like to know it's going to be backed up incase of failure.

The only other company i'd consider buying from is XFX and that's exclusively for AMD, simply because they're like 4 blocks away from EVGA, used to be part of EVGA, and are a direct competitor to EVGA, and they offer vaguely similar warranty service. Also it's nice being able to call them and get some surfer dude on the phone rather than some chink who can't fucking speak english and has positively alien ideas about what customer service actually is.

>>59588429
>AMD
>Accurate temps
>ever

Listen, I'm not an intel shill, all im saying is for gaming the 7700k is the best and lets be honest, every body itt is going to be gaming.

I really wanted ryzen to be good, i did, but its not the best, so what the fuck am i supposed to do. quit being a cunt and have some objectivity for once in your life.

If you aren't okay with de-lidding, then buy ryzen and accept you will have inferior fps.

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R8

>>59588548
>Vishera

Sorry for your loss =\

>>59584152
Are you not looking at where it says Prime? That price is for Amazon Prime members only. You will still pay $660

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>>59584343
Nup. Fuck the 1060. Got one clocked at 2070Mhz. it's fucking dog shit.

>>59588579
My mother has prime, and I'll be using it if I use amazon familam.

>>59588533
>defending literal housefires

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>>59588533
Well, you've convinced me. I guess I'll be getting this bad boy. Gonna buy from newegg so I get a free vidya, thanks for all the advice.

>>59588521
>/g/ will go to defend Intel.
>/g/
>defend intel

no that's just the /v/ spillage, just remind them about manlytears and they will fuck of back to their shitty containment board

>>59588533
>amd's 8 core somehow has power consumption similar to intels 4 core at idle and is still hotter in the deluted mind of this shill

fuck off JIDF

>>59588731
Is there a better alternative for i5-7600 then?

>>59583282
does anyone here have experience with mushkin ssds? are they worth it?

>>59588533
>but its not the best
So you haven't been keeping up on the recent re-runs of benchmarks after bios/software updates, I take it ? Ryzen has improved a lot.

https://pcpartpicker.com/list/Nf6sBP

My goal is to keep it near silent and cool thats why the 5 fans and aftermarket cooler for a locked cpu
Replace the Ti with an aftermarket design like strix,ftw or zotac didnt put on the partlist because they arent listed yet
M.2 will be used for bootup and main apps, ssd for muh gaymz and hdds for data hoarding (also will be backed up on a nas)

>>59588873
Hey, I saw you on the last thread. Why didn't you listen to my advice?

>>59588812
I actually have not, but if there's something showing Ryzen actually beats the 7700k in gaming, or at least matches it, I'd love to fuckin see it.

all i give a shit about is gaming performance, i've got a 1080 ti and a 1440p@144hz monitor and every ounce I can get to push it higher I will take. current got a 4790k and it's not quite cutting it any more.

>>59588570
Any cpu that will fit on my mobo that's better than the one I have?

>>59588902
Im still considering your advice
Just want more feedback on this build but I´m still considering the d15, the toshiba hdd´s and the seasonic psu
ofc I discarded the z270 mobo

Yo /g/entlemen, I'm hesitating to hit the order button. I just want an entry level PC to game on fullhd, don't care if its medium settings, am I doing right?

MSI B250M BAZOOKA
Intel Core i3-7100 3,9 GHz
Kingston 8GB DDR4 2400MHz HyperX Fury
MSI RX470 4GB
Chieftec iARENA 450W PSU


Eupoor, so prices are different here, its ~USD 590 after taxes

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is it just me or is there a lack of am4 motherboards right now? how often does pcpartpicker update its db or is it just too soon after release?

>>59588955
Nope =\

I mean its good enough I guess, but FX is a bad buy and has been a bad buy for the last like 3 years

>>59588984
AMD forgot how to launch a CPU. There is an extreme lack of AM4 boards.

>>59588781
the entire r5 lineup

>>59588944
there are fake bench pics that show it winning. disregard, the 7700k is the gaming king for at least 5 years. t. well-known bencher

>>59588789
they're fine

>>59588781
ryzen 5 possibly

>>59588972
why a d15 if ur not overclocking?

>>59588975
get a G4560. otherwise looks fine.

>>59588989
3? try 6

>>59588984
just so few. amd fucked up release

>>59588975
intel is shit just wait for the r3

>>59589000
not amd's fault that their mobo partners saw more dollar signs in the z270 platform

>>59589033
>7700k is the gaming king
king of stuttering shit

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>>59589000
>>59589033
>just so few. amd fucked up release
damn. trying to put together a maya box and those 16 threads are just too delicious to pass up for that price.

guess i'll give it a couple months

>>59588972
Yep. I understand that. Well no after market Tis have gone on the market except for the founders editions. For your fans, if you still have the budget, replace your noctua fans with the Industrail versions. You can get another 500-1000 RPM out of them for about $6-7 more.

>>59588944
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RZS2XHcQdqA

Is it really worth the $50 more to get the 8GB 480?

>>59589076
just wait on the asrock taichi or fatality to get back in stock

>>59589157
if you want 1440p or future proofing then yes

>>59589082
https://pcpartpicker.com/list/Kj4dwV

>>59589183
I only need futureproofing as far as TES 6.

>>59589194
>he thinks bethesjew is going to make TES 6 when they can keep making remasters of Skyrim and sell them to idiots for 60 each

Skyrim in 4k coming next year, mark my fucking words.

>>59589157
>is it really worth $50 to buy a meme graphics card from a meme company who causes housefires?
Buy GTX 1060 6GB or better.

>>59589185
>https://pcpartpicker.com/list/Kj4dwV
absolute trash

>>59589194
Let me say this too, will 4GB be enough for Skyrim Special Edition and Fallout 4 with the graphics pack? That'll probably be similar to TES 6.

>>59589218
fuck off poojeet, no one asked you

>>59589233
>bu-bu-but i dun wike it
Fucking autistic pooloo. Lets see what contributions you csn make.

>>59588643
>2048mb
>6gb
Which one is it?

>>59589277
6. Speccy is malware.

>>59589234
no, neither will it be enough for your enb and futanari mods

Looking to upgrade my CPU here. Can't decide between the 7700k and 1700, reason being is that I do stream. Now I don't think the 7700k isn't capable, but I've read people saying that oh the 1700 is much better in a streaming environment with less dropped frames and such.

Is anyone knowledgeable on the subject?

>>59589262
just buy a glock, put it in your mouth and pull the trigger

>>59589319
1700 is better

>>59589319
Meet the middle man and buy a 1600X when it comes out. The only reason they say that streaming is better is because it offers twice the threads and cores.

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Opinions on the Fractal Design Mini C?

Anyone recommend anything different thats the same size?

>>59589376
its perfect.

Very disappointed in display options. Can't believe there's no 4k/144Hz yet. Also the two competing *syncs

>>59588972
https://pcpartpicker.com/list/kKZZPs
Choose the Fractal Design Define S. it has enough space for your storage drives, PSU, and cooler.

>>59589399
You got one? Any cons?

Will 7700k explode on stock cooler? (have like 3 laying around)
Literally ran out of budget while building and will have to wait for next paycheck until I get a water cooling meme

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Just one question, in terms of performance and reliability which of these two: noctua nh-d15 or corsair h115i?

>>59589467
Yes it will.

There's a reason why K unlocked processors do not come with any "stock" cooler - because it would not suffice.

With this the manufacturer implies "get whichever aftermarket cooler you deem sufficient".

>>59589508

Big air > AIO. No matter what even if the fans exploded on the d15 you still have a fuckoff huge heatsink bolted to the IHS to cool it.

>>59589516

No, Intel just saw fit to rip the cooler out of the box for kabylake because nobody uses stock cooling on K chips anyway saving them (being Intel) a fair few shekels. The difference is this saving isn't passed onto consumers - you really are paying more for less.

>>59589508
AIO gives better temps until liquid warms up, then its a mess

>>59589508
Both are good.

I believe that the h115 / large rad AIOs will have better temps (marginally) than the noctua,
the noctua ends up being the quieter choice tho, the better AIOs end up costing more than a noctua so there is that

It really just comes down to Coke vs Pepsi, either one is a alright choice.

>just get a noctua

>>59589467
the 7700k is shit dont even bother with it

>>59589628
AIO coolers are garbage, fuck off with that shit

>>59589582
>>59589616
>>59589628

Thank you all, it's now clear to me, besides the noctua is cheaper.

>>59589682
no, you might personally hate them, but they generally perform on par with a noctua.
Like I mentioned before the noctua has them beat when it comes to noise.

>>59589508
DO NOT

I repeat

DO NOT

BUY

COOLIT PRODUCTS

Asetek rebrands only

>round pump vs square pump

Asetek = round pump. BRAND IS NOT IMPORTANT, Only OEM

>>59589033
>why a d15
Another anon suggested, and I can find it only 10 bucks more form the 120mm version
>>59589082
As I understand the industrial versions cant be used with ultra low noise adaptors so meh, I really want something silent but somewhat cool
>>59589428
>https://pcpartpicker.com/list/kKZZPs
Already have the Air 540

>>59588175
What's better? And how are they a botnet.

>>59589905
how about not streaming you dumb fuck

>>59583394
Gtx 1050 Ti and in the near future condsider a core i7 2600 or a core i7 2600k if you wanna overclock but then get a new fan

Also y 800 watt psu

>>59583282
>implying intel is making better cores

>>59590020
>implying amd has good cores at all

Is ASUS Z97-A USB 3.1 a good motherboard?

Im looking to repalce a dead motherboard.

I plan on upgrading my PC this May. What do you all think of this build? Mid-ranged gaming.

https://pcpartpicker.com/list/QyF8sJ

What case fans does /pcbg/ recommend? i prefer quiet fans.

what cpu should I look out for if I want to build a midrange pc for mostly coding and some gaming on medium?

>>59590130
Noctua.

>>59590136
G4560

>>59590130
anything with tempered glass so you can see your rgb leds

>>59590112
Remove the HSF or get something cheaper.

>>59590162
Note taken. I live in the South East USA so it gets pretty hot here.

>>59590210
Its a locked CPU, it wont get hot.
Look for 212 EVO or 212X.

should i get this? NZD By the way.

http://www.trademe.co.nz/computers/components/video-cards/other/auction-1288794161.htm

>>59590112
>mid ranged
>m.2 ssd
Nice try meme man. https://pcpartpicker.com/list/hgz7gL

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Hi guys, here is my current configuration. I have 2 questions regarding it:

1) My current case is shit, I want to replace it - though about Corsair 400C or Phanteks P400S (glass edition). Which should I choose or is there something better in this price range?

2) How high is the probability that I will have to replace my PSU once I decide to upgrade graphics card? I didn't really had a choice when I was building my PC (had everything except PSU and 650W was unavailable atm and decided to fuck it)

Thanks.

>>59590112
https://pcpartpicker.com/list/QBTJ2R

>>59590306
or should i internationally ship, this one would be 392 NZD shipped.

https://www.newegg.com/global/nz/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16814202224&ignorebbr=1

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>>59590142
Dis

>>59590324
Maybe share the link? I cant see the wattage on your picture. Or just use a couple psu calculators and average it out. Then get one at least 100 wats more than you need

>>59590306
Use pricespy in NZ for component prices.
https://pricespy.co.nz/category.php?k=v2576&o=produkt_pris_inkmoms

>>59590142
>>59590371
Any specific ones?

>>59590324
>2) How high is the probability that I will have to replace my PSU once I decide to upgrade graphics card? I didn't really had a choice when I was building my PC (had everything except PSU and 650W was unavailable atm and decided to fuck it)
550W is sufficient for pretty much anything short of a multi-GPU setup.

>>59590383
My bad, it's 392W currently, 498 with 1080ti.

Am I fucked?

>>59590411
Noctua NF-F12.

>>59590309
Idk it saves cable space

>>59590218
>>59590337
Interesting HSF recommendations

>>59590051
>Is ASUS Z97-A USB 3.1 a good motherboard?
Any comments? i know ASUS is RMA hell but i need one and its cheap so i will roll the dice with it.

I will buy it later today.

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>>59590350
Uhhhhh?

Are there no high refresh rate >100Hz IPS monitors with 1080p resolution?

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Been looking at the G4560 + 470 combo

Should I just wait a month to see what the Ryz 5 and Ryz 3 + the 500 lineup do to the prices?

Also what's the bios issue with the g4560 I keep hearing about?

>>59590425
Yes you are. Gold rated PSUs have 87% efficiency. 0.87 x 550 is less than 498.

>>59590516
seconding this. I still have time since I'll wait until summer for a setup but the combo interests me too since I want to play some games at medium / high quality.

>>59590426
>Noctua NF-F12.
ty

>>59590463
Asus is RMA hell but also Asus boards are some of the most reliable on the market. So...your call. They are my go-to brand so I dont have any other recommendations

>>59589457
there is too few front usb ports for me

>>59590536

Well I somehow expected that, at least time to replace it will come in ~2 years. Thanks.

>>59590606

I've stopped buying ASUS boards because they've become synonymous with DOA for me.

>>59590324
Oh, I've been also thinking about NZXT S340 Elite. Any recommendations?

>>59590703
Tell me more about it.

I know their Low end motherboards are shit but the high end ones?

https://pcpartpicker.com/list/ky8J2R

Which version of the RX 480 should I get for my first build?

>>59590896
anything with gaming in its name, really

>>59590818
https://pcpartpicker.com/list/JDmkyf

>>59590896
None. Buy a Gigabyte 1060 6GB Windforce OC

>>59590932
Reeeeee get out shill

>>59590932
Is it true that AMD GPUs work better with AMD CPUs than Nvidia GPUs?

>>59590516
bls raspon

>>59590979
No.

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>>59583282
Hello /g/, what is THE BEST Ryzen/AM4 motherboard available?

Thinking of making a semi-future proof machine.

>>59590896
I'm no expert, but...

ASUS, EVGA, Gigabyte, MSI, Sapphire, XFX, and Zotac are good brands. Don't get a reference card.

>>59591005
Is there any advantage the GTR 1060 has over the RX 480?

>>59591041
Most games made with NVIDIA in mind.
Both are good enough, dont worry.

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>>59590932
Fuck off shill. I'm a 1060 owner, and It's garbage even clocked to 2070Mhz.
>>59590896
The one with the best cooling. So you can push it hard. If you're not going to overclock (you should really overclock. it's a few slider bars. it's easy as fuck) Then get whatever and bump it's fan curve up a bit.

>>59591030
That doesn't help me much when you basically list every manufacturer brand out there.

>>59591086
Well, now you know not to buy Powercolor.
Also, limiting yourself to non-reference removes a fair amount.

>>59591077
>FX
Your problem is your CPU, not your GPU.

>>59591028
Assrock Taichi. As much as I dislike them for Intel, they make great AM4 motherboards. Too bad not even their mobos can handle over 2666 MHz RAM.

>>59591030
Remove all of those except Asus and Gigabyte and you're good.

>>59591131
>need the Intel nVidia combo goym
>Not like if one preforms better it'll be evident across both CPU vendors.
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|>
|3
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//You see a post, and wonder who's behind it.

Intel i5 5250U
Intel HD graphics 6000
4gb RAM
1440x900 display
What else do you need in life?

>>59591193
>more RAM
>better monitor
>dedicated GPU

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https://pcpartpicker.com/list/bTmkyf

thoughts? my current PC build has a 2600k and a 970 TI in it. i'm ready to go to ultrawide beauty and have a nice VR rig.

>>59591225
>How do i solder a GPU in my Mac? please help guys..

>>59591077
So far I a couple cards in mind. Tell me which one you think I should get.
>XFX Radeon RS
>Sapphire Nitro+
>MSI RX 480

UPDATE TO THESE POSTS:
>>59587365
>>59588164

>implying anyone cares

I'm thinking my MoBo is dead. I switched out my new PSU with my old, functional PSU with a compete rewire, and nothing works.

(The blinking stopped upon further testing with new PSU before switching out. There would just be nothing upon power up, which is same as now.)

My GPU recognizes is has power the moment I flip my PSU open. When I hit the power switch, my CPU light for the LED debug for MoBo flashes very quickly and then dies. It leads me to think this thing is fried.

It already shipped with a nonfunctional PCI slot.

I've never had a dead moBo before l, but I'm thinking it's RIP. I'd be surprised if the CPU was the culprit.

MSI Pro Series Z270 SLI if you're wondering.

>>59591231
you might as well get RAM clocked at at least 3600 mhz, and wait for aftermarket gpu
if you're a total memster get 1000 psu leaving room for SLI as well

Whats a good stress test to see if my pc is stable?

>>59591152

The crosshair can handle 3200mhz if you get a good kit. I'm trying to tune my setup to get my 3200mhz kit (on the QVL as well) to run over 2666mhz.

>>59591378
Prime95.

>>59591387
Thank you.

>>59587977
So it will turn your house into two Hawaiian volcanoes at some random moment in time?

>>59591399

Another good program to use is Intel Burn Test - it stresses the chip differently to prime95 so a combination of both is good if you want to get an overclock that will never, ever, ever fail.

>>59591447

Considering that only powercolor was insane enough to air cool a 295x2 i'd rather stick to the reference design. The 295x2 is one of only two good dual die cards ever made.

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>>59589985
i'm just wondering if a new gpu will be worthwhile. Would anything else be a bottleneck?

>>59591041

The RX480 will generally be a better card than the 1060's, especially when running in Vulkan/DX12.

>>59590763

Got a Z270 board from them for a 7700k... back to ASUS it went. It worked *once* and then refused to POST. No BIOS settings had been changed.

>>59591251
>step 1: sell mac
>step 1.5 (optional): save up moneys
>step 2: buy thinkpad or desktop or parts to build desktop
>????
>profit

>>59591344
And you didnt RMA it when you found out it had a broken PCIe slot? This is why you only buy ASUS or Gigabyte mobos.

>>59591512
I have two cards in mind then. Which should I get?
>XFX XFX Radeon RS RX 480 (https://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16814150774&cm_re=rx_480-_-14-150-774-_-Product)
or
>SAPPHIRE NITRO+ Radeon RX 480 (https://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16814202224&cm_re=rx_480-_-14-202-224-_-Product)

>>59591478
k

>>59591613
Neither. Buy a gigabyte version.

>>59591613
Sapphire version out those 2.

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Anyone else doing surgery right now? Something is wrong with my 980ti. Shooting up to 90c and dieing. I'm gonna replace thermal paste with dat good shit and reset the pump.

What about you guys?
Try a new fan configuration maybe you can get higher clocks

>>59591663
Did you remember to turn idle fan off?

>>59591673
Yeah I reflashed stock bios and set everything, clock memory power limit voltage and fan to default.

How hard is it to fix a CPU with bent pins?
I have to repair a FX-8120.
A friend bent his and i need to fix it.

He sent it to someone to fix it but he had no luck.

>>59591273
I'm leaning towards the MSI. The pipe layout seems much more efficient with effectively 6 pipes. (not sure if a cooler difference between it and the gaming X)
With the XFX a very close second. But only has five, but with a wonky layout making one side of the card hotter than the other. This is somewhat bad thermo dynamics. But probably done so only one fan is used in low load times.
And the Nitro+ looks like cheep garbage with only three pipes. BUT it's got thicker fins allowing heat to transfer further over them before radiating. Just like my 1060 in a way. But I cannot recommend it because it's clearly just made cheaply. Not with any real design thought.

So go MSI Gaming X if ya got a few extra bucks to burn. I'm told that "Overclocked" cards are tested to be more of a silicon winner. But I've got no clue on the validly of that.

It's a coin toss between the regular MSI and XFX if you're not clocking.

>>59591712
can you take a pic so we can see how they are bent and how many are they?

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>>59591772

>>59591715
EDIT: I didn't look at clock speeds. So choose higher if you're not overclocking.

>>59587949
>Sapphire Radeon Nitro Plus RX 480
Get the XFX one, it's cheaper.

>>59591712
Open up a ballpoint pen and use the back of the tube to slip over the pin.

>>59591715
>>59591803
https://pcpartpicker.com/list/tZK3M8

Here is my build. How does it look?

>>59591802
nice meme

>>59591772
Aprox 39 pins.
I dont have it with me right now, i currently only have a bad photo.

Is it possible to fix? will it give problems in the long run?
Also im going to gift him a Phenom if it doesn't work from a dead build, how well CPUs survive while being off in storage?

>>59591815
What about a 0.5mm pencil?

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>>59591853
>>59591772
Also, pins dont need to be exactly straight right? As long they fit in the socket it should work right?

>>59591853
well, if you don't break any of them, it will work fine

if it was stored properly there's no reason for it not to work

>>59591919
Inside the motherboard with the heatsink on.
I assume an AM3 CPU will work in an AM3+ motherboard right?

>>59591911
technically yes

>>59591936
You'd have to look at spec sheets, I wouldn't count on it tho, but I don't know how amd's + sockets work

>>59591940
Would i have to keep repasting the CPU to the heatsink to test it if it works?
Or should i try it without a heatsink to see if it POSTs?

>>59591812
In Spain the Nitro+ it's actually cheaper for some reason. Will look anyway. Thanks

>>59592025
just put a drop of paste just so it doesn't do in dry

>>59592040
Without the heatsink?
Because i have the feeling i will spend a lot of paste testing if i have to put and remove the heatsink every time.

does anyone actually notice a non-placebo difference between 2666 and 3200 ram?

>>59592139
There is barely any difference.
In fallout 4 it exists but i dont know anything that gets benefit of faster ram.

>>59592138
of course you put the heatsink, just put less paste, see if it posts, then turn off quickly

Can I improve anything with this?
https://de.pcpartpicker.com/list/cCt8sJ

>inb4 >ryzen
I don't like backdoors.

>>59592156
i feel like anything using bethesdas frankenstein engine doesnt really count

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>>59591824
Consider better RAM and a motherboard that has overclocking. Overclocking boards sell better on the secondhand market. But if you're not clocking and are going to keep it for some time don't stress about the mobo.
Ryzen loves fast RAM. But you'll need a better Motherboard.
I'm not up to date on DDR4. So no recommendations here about that. Other than More MHz and lowest CAS latency that the motherboard you choose will support. But does get pricey.
You SSD is small if you're planning to save games to it. Most SSD's are pretty fast. So maybe a cheaper brand with larger storage will suit you better. I'm using two 250gb Kingston U400's in RAID 0 and it's blazeing fast. Was easy to set up. But can be a daunting thing for a computer novice. But any larger capacity SSD should be fine.
Pic related.
A 3Tb HDD wouldn't go astray either. But you know your storage needs better than I.
You WiFi seems fine. But grab a cheep heatsink for it and thermal glue. Not really necessary, but will make you feel good :D
And you added a stupid expensive keyboard. Go on eBay and get a cheep gaming one.

Or hit up

https://www.aliexpress.com/item/RENAULT-87-104-Keys-Blue-Switch-Mechanical-Keyboard-Rainbow-Backlit-Gaming-Keyboard-for-PC-Game-LED/32801124075.html?ws_ab_test=searchweb0_0,searchweb201602_1_10065_10068_10130_433_434_10136_10137_10138_10060_10131_10132_10062_10133_10141_10056_126_10055_10054_10059_201_10099_10531_10530_10103_10102_10096_10144_10052_10053_10142_10050_10107_10051_10106_10143_10526_10529_10084_10083_10080_10082_10081_10110_10111_10112_10113_10114_10078_10079_10073_10070_10122_10123_10124,searchweb201603_3,afswitch_1,ppcSwitch_2,single_sort_0_price_asc&btsid=4c807daf-508b-460e-bd23-d99d01c16f5b&algo_expid=4db783ee-4c8e-490f-a8ac-76640bbd4790-3&algo_pvid=4db783ee-4c8e-490f-a8ac-76640bbd4790

Just one I'm looking at. Check the site. But beware of accidentally buying keycaps, and mechanical "feel" boards.

>>59592138
You can put the sink on without paste to see if it posts. Just dont get excited that it posts and boot up to play a game.

>>59584060
the prices you've listed are nowhere near accurate. CPU and GPU can be found on newegg for at least $100 less each. That computer should cost nearly half of what you've listed

>>59592286
No, as long it posts its good news.
If it does i will clean the cheap paste im using and put some MX-4.

>>59592309
I was just saying for the troubleshooting phase. You can slap the sink on to check post without paste. So you don't have to clean shit to re apply.
Never run a modern PC longer than 60sec's without paste. (can run a lot longer, but not encouraged)

>>59592198
>eu
nope

>>59589777
>not getting an AIO with a Laing DDC PWM pump
shiggy diggy doo

>>59588175
>plex is a fucking botnet, fuck off wit that shit you fucking newfag
Post proof or gfto.

>>59592198
Ryzen is good.
You want a Taichi motherboard.
You also want RAM with Samsung chips. I don't know if the Vengeance ones have those, but I do know that G.Skill TridentZ is Samsung based.
As the owner of a 750D, I would not recommend Corsair cases. Take this however you want.
Ask yourself if you really need that DVD drive. No, you don't need it to install Windows.
Also ask yourself if you really need that sound card. Chances are that, unless it gives you an output that you need, which doesn't exist on the motherboard, you don't.
>WLAN in a desktop in the year of our lord 2017

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Anyone want to wager a guess at if my replacing the paste and reseting my brand new to me 980ti hybrid and moving the radiator to a more optimal position fixed broke or did nothing?
The cooler didn't seem to be working previously.

>>59592139
>difference between 26.6km/h vs 32km/h
Not so much.

But if you were going from say DDR3-1333 to a DDR4-3200, it's a great boost.

>>59592564
>Taichi
That's more than double the price of the Pro4, what makes it worth it?
And what's wrong with the case? All reviews I've seen for it have been positive.

Thanks for your advice though.

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hey lads, i had a question.

i currently have a bitfenix prodigy loaded with noctua fans and an nh-u12s. i was going to upgrade in a couple months to some new parts.

6700k or 7700k whichever is the better value at the time
a decent motherboard anywhere from $85 to $120
16gb of ddr4 ram
define mini c case

my question is should i even move the nh-u12s to my new case or should i just buy a cryorig h7? i was thinking about getting the cryorig because it's cheap and i'm lazy. i've looked up benchmarks and the cryorig is literally as good as the nh-u12s which is a bit disappointing since i paid $55 for it and the h7 is only $35.

if i do get the cryorig, i probably won't put new fans in my computer. but i will buy another 140mm fan for the intake. my question is should i just buy another fractal r2 series 140mm fan or are there better options out there? the define mini c has really good noise cancellation but i'm borderline autistic with noise so i want it to be quiet.

sorry for the wall of text

>>59590896
the 8gb XFX GTR is the best card with the most overclocking capability

the fans are made to be easily removable and swapable, so you can remove them to clean them or if you're into LEDs swap them for a color that matches your build

the MSI Gaming card is probably 2nd best. Stay away from the Sapphire cards if you can, but if they're a great price you can go for it.

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>>59592614
It booted. But can it handle stress??? Find out after my vape brake.

>>59592248
>motherboard that has overclocking
All Ryzen mobos support overclocking.
>SSD
Is PNY a good brand?
>stupid expensive
I would rather have a well-made mechanical one than some cheap membrane that won't last me.

>>59592818
looks like you can't handle stress

>>59592764
Apparently the Taichi board is one of the better ones at eating higher bandwidth RAM, which is particularly important for Ryzen. That said, I am still on the Z97 platform with a 4690k and have not been keeping up that much on what goes on with cheaper Ryzen boards after the various updates that have been rolling out over the past couple of weeks.
Look up some reviews and decide for yourself whether Taichi is worth it. Asus' ROG board should be great too.

As for the case, I can't speak for the 540 specifically. I only have my own 750D which suffers from mediocre build quality, despite similarly positive reviews. But it is a 170 EUR case that is severely lacking in build quality, and because of that I wouldn't recommend Corsair in general.
Again, take this however you want. 540 might be a nicer case, I don't know and I don't really care.

>>59592914
Too deep for me. I did feel the need to talk to someone about it and vent it off a bit and this board is the closest thing I'll ever have to a friend so you're stuck with me until my Wendy's and fruity pebbles diet kills me

So, /pcbg/
I'm thinking about getting a new CPU soon. With that I also want to get off air cooling and go to watercooling master race.

I'm more concerned about functionality than looks. I've also never done watercooling before. Right now I'm thinking about this setup:
>Laing D5 pump
>EVGA 1070/1080 FTW block for my EVGA 1080 FTW
>360mm top rad + 120mm rear rad
>Koolance quick disconnects for fill port at bottom of loop and vent port at top of loop

Is there a certain size I should have for my res? What's the best anti-germicide - silver coil or additive? Is the corrosion on copper blocks anything to be concerned about regarding contaminants in the liquid?

>>59592869
>All Ryzen mobos support overclocking.
Could have swore that A type mobos were locked.
>Is PNY a good brand?
From what I've seen it goes: Samsung > everything else. With exception of chick shit. As long as it's not chick you're good.
>I would rather have a well-made mechanical one than some cheap membrane that won't last me.
First I'm hearing about membrane not lasting. But I did give you a link to a mechanical board at a third the price. There's more that that one board there.
Gave you the option to cheep out, because mech boards are still really really overpriced. This way you can use the extra you'd save on better hardware. Then three months down the road get what you were looking at for half the price.
It's a hell of a lot easier to swap out a keyboard than a motherboard.

>>59593141
>Could have swore that A type mobos were locked.
Maybe, but most people will either be buying Z or B mobos so it doesn't matter.
>Samsung > everything else
Doesn't that mean I should just get samsung then?
>because mech boards are still really really overpriced
They really aren't though, mechanicals can come to be pretty cheap depending on what you want in them. You get what you pay for when you buy one. Cheaping out on a keyboard is almost as bad as cheaping out on the PSU or GPU. It's one of the worst fucking decisions you can make.

>>59593141
don't use asus boards, they are completely unoptimized on am4, some times dumping more than 1.5v into the cpu

My current build is:

I5 4570 @ 3.2 GHZ
Asrock Z87 extreme 4
RX 470
8 GB DDR3 RAM

Thinking about upgrading my cpu, but I don't know if it is worth.

What do you guys think?

>>59593141
>From what I've seen it goes: Samsung > everything else
Samsung = Intel > Everything else
ftfy

980ti working great at 35c under load. I wonder Wtf happened

>>59593315
either super low room temp, watercooling, broken temp sensors, not really at any respectable load or you're lying

>>59593302
More like Samsung >= Intel > Sandisk > everything else

>>59593199
>be buying Z or B mobos
Oh my bad. You've got a B350.. I saw A and jumped to conclusion.
>Doesn't that mean I should just get samsung then?
You selected a 250Gb Samsung one. So I assumed that budget was an issue, but if you can get a bigger Samsung one. If you can fit that into budget but would still like more storage, just grab a cheaper brand, any SSD will be miles faster than a HDD. Just don't get chink shit SSD's.
That said, I've got no idea what's the fastest of the 'offbrand' SSD's. But they're still miles ahead of HDD. So you'll be happy with whatever.
>>59593376
There we go. Check out Sandisk.

500GB+ is what you should want if you're storing games on it. It become a pain in the ass to have to delete relatively recent games to install new ones.

>>59593347
It wasn't under load for long and the load was just a game. Point is it immediately shot up to 90c before I replaced the paste. I have no idea what the problem could have been. No way I like melted the original thermal paste or anything. 40ish c is normal after playing for a few hours

>>59593283
nope.

/g/ what are the best HDD manufacturers? Ive seen, heard, and owned: Western Digital, Hitachi, Toshiba, and Seagate. Can you recommend me some others that arent garbo?
>tl:dr God tier HDD manufacturers

>>59593569
So that means keep it like it is?

>>59593283
If that i5 is not unlocked a 1700 or 7700k with nice 3600 cl16 ddr4 would be huge and allow you to pick up a 1160 next Gen and have a balanced pc

>>59593587
yes

>>59593579
HGST/WD.

What's a good program to monitor CPU and GPU temps, FPS, etc while running a game?

I'm seeing them on reviewer videos but I don't know what program they're using

Best way to test my CPU temps?

I just used CPU-Z on my 7700K and it never goes abofe 65°C no matter how much I stress it. Should I be happy or is there another way to test it "harder"?

>>59593675
MSI something, green letters in the corner of your window.

>>59593767
Intel burn test or prime95.

>>59593510
well, old paste is trash, I had a low power pc with a 40mm cpu fan or something like that, and it was always spinning at max speed, then I cleaned (tried to clean) the old paste (that was looking like a pink strange glue) and placed new one, and it never made any noises again, just the hard drive did

>>59593807
>>59593767
MSI Afterburner

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>>59593958
I wish I could put it down as old paste being shit but it still does not make sense. So I got the card, it ran fine, and I immediately started overclocking it. That's why I bought a used hybrid 980ti for $350 instead of a 1070, the ability to tinker with the bios. Anyway, got it to like 1400 as stock. Flashed a bios and got it to 1550, did a firestrike, and left the bios at it's stock clocks. This morning playing a game for 30 mins it overheats. I didn't know it was an overheat, so I tried again, Same result. I flashed the original bios and I took the front panel cover off my p400 since I thought it would be blocking the air flow and I let the fluid come down to 40c. I then tried a game again and it instantly shot to 90c and I plug pulled. It doesn't make sense that maybe the fluid just wanted to go back up in temp, maybe it seperated because water coolers aren't supposed to go that high, i don't know. So I went from cpu and gpu rad up front, 2 intakes uptop, and a rear exhaust to CPU rad+intake upfront, gpu rad intake in the back, 2 exhaust up top and I replaced the paste with kryonaut. Now it's working fine. Even if the old paste was tooth paste it wouldn't rise in temp that fast, it rised like it had no cooling at all. Idk how overheating would fuck up the water block's mount. I'm just worried it's gonna happen again.
Pic related is the old cooling set up. New one is
>>59592614

>>59594210
Nice blog

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>>59594273
You're welcome D E S U
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>>59583282
One build in the op has a g4560 with a 3000 MHz ram.
Doesnt the CPU only support up to 2400mhz?

>>59594505
The limit will be based in your motherboard not CPU.

>>59594894
>>59594894
>>59594894
>>59594894
>>59594894
>>59594894

So I just built my new PC and am wondering about overclocking temps. I have an i5 7600k @ 4.3ghz and running the small fft prime95 test my CPU runs at around 79°C, blend at 57°C and large at 68°C. Is this too hot?

>>59594912
As long as it never hits 85° C and above you're good.

>>59595001
In prime 95 or in general use?

>>59595001
Both. Thats pretty much the point where throttling starts to kick in, depending on how old your CPU is.

So I'm looking to build a new PC from scratch on the first quarter of 2018
I assume Intel will launch CoffeeLake and its new socket for that time
But I have no idea for GPU's, wanted to buy a 1080Ti or I can assume that nvidia will be launching its 1100 series by that time?

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>>59583282
>make better cores
Nah

Stock cooler as well.