Using VPN's to avoid ISP disclosure of internet history

lmao you know VPN's have ISPs too, right? Dumbass

>>59566826
Are you retarded? Do you know what is a VPN?

Get a VPN that is outside of the US Ina country with good laws or no laws on the subject of recording data. THE VPN SHOULdnt log anything at all. You should set up gnu/Linux and run a hardened version then kill yourself

just use incognito window and you will be fine

>>59566876
This
According to wiki leaks even NSA can't track you with that

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>>59566876

https://torrentfreak.com/vpn-services-anonymous-review-2017-170304/

Also remember that you need to defend yourself from garden-variety tracking too. That means you need to use an ad-blocker, script blocker, take care of cookies somehow, and use anti-fingerprinting addons and settings in your browser. You also need to be avoiding Google services. Fail to do these things and your ISP will just get a ping that five ad companies and three data brokers have determined that user ID #83240325 (Anon Anonson) is now using a new IP in a datacenter somewhere.

>>59566911
This post is fake news

>>59566911
That message is misleading
Just check wikileaks page
Even assange uses incognito

>>59566819
Doesn't the bill have to go through the house first and then trump before it is real?

>implying they're not doing this already

They just want it to be easier to use the info they collect on you in court so they can start enforcing their unconstitutional "hate speech" laws.

You should be using a VPN anyways, though. It's not going to protect you from a NSA investigation, but at least you won't be low lying fruit for copyright trolls and local law enforcement going after you for "cyber bullying".

I don't know why they keep trying with this shit. They're just making their own jobs harder by driving people into a corner and forcing them to use more secure methods.

>>59566971
Yes! This anon gets it.

>>59566819

Upgrade to Windows 10. If Microsoft already sells your data then you have nothing to lose.

>>59566850
No you are the retard, VPNs have logs of all outgoing traffic and whatever DNS the VPN is using also has logs

Why do you care, OP? This isn't a rhetorical question.

If you're doing something shady, use TOR. If you're doing something downright illegal, use Freenet. If you're just worried that the government will see you looking at anime tiddies, you're retarded.

>>59566971
Yes, but the House is Republican controlled so it will probably pass there too, and I wouldn't bet on Trump stopping it either. This bill is pretty much a done deal.

Isn't it a bit ironic that "the land of the free" is now demonstrably less free than most of the developed world?

>>59568505
Why do you close the door when you use a restroom? Are you doing something illegal in there?

>>59566819
Fuck these retards who are telling you to not use one because you're not doing anything sketchy.

A VPN is something that you route all your traffic through. So your ISP will just see you connecting to a VPN service, as opposed to seeing all the websites you visit, and what you send in plaintext.

You don't need freeware, you need to pay a company, then you can set some settings, they will give you instructions. Any free VPN is tracking you more than your ISP will.

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>>59568508

This is the person that Barack Obama studied, and that Hillary Clinton was mentored and invited to speak at her college by.

The choices were all bad.

>>59568547
Let's play 6 degrees to Hitler!

>>59568539
>Any VPN is tracking you
Fixed

>>59568539
The problem with using a VPN is that you're now trusting the VPN provider to not log/look through/steal your data since they now have access to all your traffic. The only thing you're doing is changing who the middle man is.

>>59568547
Agreed, but as much as I dislike Clinton, at least there would have been a nominal check in place instead of the Republican free for all going on right now.

ok dood.

here's how a VPN works. imagine your interweb data travels on a highway.

with a VPN you skip the highway, and take a tollroad that is privately owned, and you get your own tollroad, and nobody else can go on it.

the private owner can be a coolguy or gay. gay ones will log your stuff. the coolguys in germany don't log your stuff. get a german-owned VPN. pay $.

now - here is the roodypoo news. your ISP will know your using a VPN cause all ur traffic will be encrypted. they'll probably not care or they could just notify the regime that they're getting VPN traffic from you.

TOR + VPN + seperate NIC card is probably the easiest thing for you to do without getting super technical.

you can always rent a bulletproof server on some island, create your own openVPN, and DNS.

>>59568591
>Republican free for all
>literally everyone trying to cockblock Trump
Kill yourself you stupid fucking faggot.

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>>59566819
Here's the thing. When privacy ever comes up on /pol/ I notice that they always flip shit how everything is going to be leaked to evil corporations/governments. But being the tech Normie's that they are they probably have Google accounts and use chrome and run windows 10 not realising much MUCH worse is happening to them already.

Basically, fuck off

>>59568523
I close the door to the restroom because I don't want to openly show other people that I'm using the toilet. If someone really wanted to, they could bust through the restroom door with very little effort. I could put a padlock on the door to ensure that nobody gets through, but I don't because everything about that is retarded.

>>59568607
You actually believe this? Oh wow. HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA. You're going to be in for a series of rude shocks during these four long years.

>>59568632

yep. still, privacy seems to be built innately in human nature.

funny that the roodypoos passing the laws will also have their traffic logged. they appear to think they are above it all.

>>59568463
Yes, but there are multiple users on this single ISP.

>>59568632
Why won't you share your bathroom habits though? What are you hiding?

>>59568661

yes. this.

its very very difficult to see the internat traffic during VPN. you need the key or you need to crack the key.

any VPN service that wants to stay in business will probs not do that

>>59568652
>tries to remove some of the bullshit in Obamacare
>gets shut down by republicunts and democunts
>retards like this STILL think that there's a difference between republicans and democrats
Kill yourself.

>>59568671
The VPN operator already has those keys. You have absolutely no assurance that they won't abuse their power other than your faith in their honesty. Saying that they probably won't stay in business if they break their word has already been shown to be false. Several "no log" VPNs have been found to be keeping and turning over logs, and they're still in business today.

>>59568674
>scribble down shitty new plan with broad, nation-wide implications
>looks like it might come up 25 votes short
>retract the vote out of fear of losing
Yeah that's some severe government lockout, poor daddy Trump

>>59568601
This guy gets it. Get a foreign VPN that takes bitcoin to super anonymize your ass.

>>59568694

true. i guess i didn't look into it enough. surely theyre are bulletproof hosts + dns + vpns that dont turn logs over.

i can think of at least 20-30 off the top of my head that are used by russian cyber criminals to host their infrastructure.,,

no-ip, ddns, duckdns, etc. etc.

>>59568706
>bitcoins
>anonymous

>>59568706
>>59568694

i also forgot to add.. certain countries have super lax laws, u no? like germany...

I'm sorry guys...I just don't see the point. Why should I hide my browsing activity from corporations who make money off of it? It seems especially fruitless if I have to pay for it.
>Allowing company A to make money off of hiding your activity instead of allowing company B to make money off of exposing your activity.
What is there to gain from this?

>>59566819
>Just found out from /pol/ that ISP's will be selling user data starting

so I'm going to end up on a cuck porn mailing list?

>>59568718

or option C, nobody makes money off ur data?

if corps have your data, trust me they got engines designed by the gay data scientists to run algorithms to trend it etc. guess where dat data goes>

to gov, which will most likely make mre laws restricting access to types of datasets, etc.

>>59568726

any word of ability blacklist/block companies that got yer data/> or exepmmtion statements to ur ISP>

>>59568711
There probably are some, but again, you still have to trust them to be honest. I'm not sure if trusting any company that's affiliated with known criminals is a good idea, though. At the very least, it sounds like a great way to end up on some 3 letter agency's priority watch list, which would render the whole privacy aspect moot.

>>59568728
>or option C, nobody makes money off ur data?
Impossible. The ISP always makes money off of "your" data. It's theirs and you have to buy the right to use it in the first place.
>gov will most likely make more laws restricting access to types of datasets, etc.
You don't know that, Anon. You're guessing.

>>59568713
You can wash your btc so it's anonymous

>>59568716
>Germany
Might as well give your data to the nsa. Switzerland, Montenegro, Lichtenstein, etc are the countries you want to get a vpn or vps in

>>59566850
newfag detected

>>59569774
Elaborate

Hey, OP here.

You fags still haven't explained HOW to use a VPN or what software to use.
Basically, you guys are proving the rumors about /g/ to pretty much be true..
I am very disapoint..

>>59570161
read the wiki faggot

>>59566826
>Connect to a VPN in a country where ISP's dont sell data
>???
>Profit

Not looking so smart there yourself chump

>>59568610
>But being the tech Normie's that they are they probably have Google accounts and use chrome and run windows 10 not realising much MUCH worse is happening to them already
In 90% of their screenshots they're always logged on in chrome and using a shitton of botnet sevices, retards will always be preaching hypocrites that don't know jack shit about anything and just parrot whatever their master brainwashers yell out.

One question I haven't been able to find an answer to is how will ISPs actually be able to get your browsing history? With most sites redirecting to https now, the ISP won't even see the URL because that isn't sent until the https session has already started.

Other than recording DNS queries, how will ISPs even get any real useful data from this? Only when the user uses http?

>>59570161
Check the sticky. Has all the info you need.
As for the muh anonymity, you'll need more than a VPN since your exit nodes and DNS queries are still exposed.

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>>59566819
https://kep.md/vdZh

My kepard invite, free 30 days when u use that link for up to 6 people. If anyones interested go for it.

>>59570374
oh no i'm wrong it gives me 30 days

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This whole thread.
People think that the ISP gets a blindfold by using a VPN, it's not like your ISP is handling all of your packages regardless of what you try to put in the middle and will have the information on it.

>>59570643
Because ISPs have some magic program that can decrypt the packages?

>>59566819
Changes nothing.Every time you visit a website,your ip is logged and the guys on the other side can see it and do whatever they want with it.

>>59568547
You got a source for that pic?

So how fucked would I be setting up a personal VPN on a domestic server I have in a colo? As entertaining as it is to proxy my traffic through a third world shithole to avoid prying eyes: I really don't feel like adding that much of a latency & bandwidth hit to my normal browsing.

My reasoning is hosting providers don't really have much of an incentive to spy on their users in the first place. The only reason cablecos and telcos are lobbying for this shit is because they want to be able to sell "over the top" services to cord-cutters. Whereas my host isn't interested in selling me anything except more rack units.

>>59570982
"have"?

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>>59571046
Are you feeling alright anon? You don't seem to be speaking in complete sentences.

I built two servers and have had them racked in a datacenter for years. I am questioning the relative merits of setting up a VPN on one of them so that instead of TimeWarner/Spectrum seeing my typical browsing usage, Level3 would be seeing that traffic instead. My thought is that carrier grade ISPs such as Level3 et al. have much less of an incentive to collect the browsing history of a weeb.

>>59566819
VPNs have to log according to laws in many countries. If your VPN is located in a white nation they are likely compromised by US intelligence. Also none of this matters if they outlaw VPNs when you have no license for it.

>>59566971
House -> Senate -> President signs or vetos.

BTW everything goes through the House. I don't think people even bother to read laws at the House level.

>>59568706
Do you even Monero?

>>59568508
>Isn't it a bit ironic that "the land of the free" is now demonstrably less free than most of the developed world?
Yeah it's much better to be stabbed by an allah ackbar and be unable to defend yourself

>>59566971
Yeah, these niggers didn't see schoolhouse rock.
"I hope and pray that I will, but today I am still, just a bill."

>>59568716
>u no? like germany...
>Having certain opinions is literally a crime
>CIA's European and Middle East hacker base of operations is in Germany
>US revealed to be spying on Merkel in 2012
lmao

>>59566923
>No Google services

>Guess I'll throw out my Nexus

>>59568591
>Clinton, at least there would have been a nominal check in place
ahahahahahhaahha

>>59566819
Just use https and if you are really paranoid dnsencrpt

Unless you are already running ublock with privacy filters and 3rd party blocking, and maybe noscript, it won't matter. Those are tracking you more than your isp is

>>59570358
>their master brainwashers
Whomst are you referring to?

>>59566911
Definition of bait for English Language Learners. : to put a piece of food on (a hook) or in (a trap) in order to attract and catch fish or animals

>>59566819
Use a VPN based in a country that doesn't do this shit and go incognito (no addons/extensions). That aught to cut out a huge chunk of it.

I like swissVPN. http://www.swissvpn.net/ Their speed is decent, cheap (like $6 per month) and no proprietary software to install (most OSes can connect out-of-box). The only downside is some sites will load in German because they think you're coming out of Switzerland, so you'll have to occasionally manually switch it to English.

>>59566923
Do what this anon says, too.

>Fail to do these things and your ISP will just get a ping that... ...determined that user ID #83240325 (Anon Anonson) is now using a new IP in a datacenter somewhere.

This is why I mentioned using incognito (in combination with VPN). It's (supposed to) act like a fresh installed browser with no associated IDs/cookies/addons/whatever to identify your new IP.

>>59567147
The masses won't be aware, let alone even know how to do anything about it.

>>59568575
It still muddies things up. Kinda like American/foreign actors doing commercials in Japan for a quick buck. Almost no one in the country they care about will hear about it.

>>59568463
PIA keeps no logs retard.

>>59572976
HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAH

>>59573152
hurrr im a cianigger durrr

>>59570361
>the ISP won't even see the URL because that isn't sent until the https session has already started
They'll still see the domain and subdomain. That's sent in plaintext during the https handshake.

Like, on this page your ISP can see 'boards.4chan.org', but not the '/g/thread/59566819'. But just knowing you're visiting 4chan would be useful for marketers.

>>59572976
The US doesn't have a good history is not logging people's data

>>59568523
To keep the smell contained to one room rather than the entire household.

>>59575245
Why haven't you installed a glass door? I want to make sure you're not shooting up in there. Really, it's for your own good.

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>>59568591
Hillary wanted companies to start putting back doors in their encryption

As cliche as it sounds, when it comes to privacy there was no difference between Trump and Shillery.

He'll, one of the last thing Obongo did before leaving office was make it easier for the NSA to share their surveillance data with the other alphabet agencies

Privacy is dead

>>59577270
both the left and the right in this country believe in a big, powerful government, and are contemptuous of individual rights and liberties. The only differences are what they want to use those vast powers to do, and which rights they're keenest on taking away from you.

>>59566819
I'll give you a tip about free vpns:
If you're not paying for a product, you are the product.

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>>59568450

Windows 10 can be configured to be secure if you know what you're doing.

For all the effort it takes you might as well use linux, though.

>>59579314
How can you be sure that proprietary software does what you want?

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>>59579371

mostly just from packet sniffing and checking logs

I wouldn't use windows for anything too serious, though, just on principal.

Can you use the raspberry pi to make your own VPN?

>>59581029
In one sense yes. You can run OpenVPN on it, open the appropriate port in your router, and have a VPN server.

Said VPN server probably won't be what you want though. It will listen for connections outside your home. If you walk down the block to Starbucks and connect to it, you'll appear to websites to be coming from your home internet connection. This does defend against Starbucks wi-fi admin being able to read your traffic, along with other people on the wi-fi network. They'll see an encrypted tunnel to your home IP.

What a lot of people want is a VPN service provider that can defend them against the ISP their home internet connection uses. There's a bunch of these (go to Torrentfreak and read their guide) and most have a variety of servers in many countries.

Now if protecting yourself on public wi-fi networks, rather than from your home ISP, is what you want, or if you just think setting up OpenVPN would be a fun hobby project, don't let me discourage you. Just be clear about what a VPN server on your home connection does and does not do for you, privacy-wise.

>>59566826
Chinese/Russian/Indian/Mongolian/Tibetan VPN is free to sell my browsing history. It won't affect anything here.

it'll be really interesting to see if this goes through.

>>59581113
Ok thanks. Looks like I should study this more before I jump in like an idiot.

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>>59568601
>Trying this hard to fit in.
Something is off about this post.

Using a secure VPN with an 'exit' in an area that doesn't have ISPs selling data is I suppose a good start.
Theoretically then your ISP (unless they MitM attack everything) can't see your traffic directly.
(That is, it looks like garbage / useless stuff. They can still SEE it.)


Now, in the interest of security and privacy, you do need to protect yourself from garden-variety tracking as well, just like >>59566923 said.
The idea here is making action <x> (whatever activity you don't want people to know YOU did) not able to be linked to YOU.

A typical way this would happen, for example, would be that you logged into facebook. The cookie is now in your browser. <IDFACEBOOKNORMIE>
You then go to www totallynotfullofloli org. The advertisers on that site scan your browser for cookies using the scripts they run when displaying the ads. They find <IDFACEBOOKNORMIE> and note that user in their database visiting www totallynotfullofloli org.
Someone can contact the advertisers and simply BUY the 'web history logs' for <IDFACEBOOKNORMIE>.
You're 'caught'.


Now, that said, even if you didn't use any further defenses, your ISP can't just start 'monitoring' a different IP address that doesn't belong to them, even if they do know their subscriber (Anon Anonson) is using that IP.
They'd have to have some agreement or access channel to get the info from the VPN's outgoing ISP.
If you're using a VPN who has such an ISP... well... umm... you just failed.


TL;DR: If you were 'safe' before ISPs here could sell your data, you'll be 'safe' now if you have a good secured VPN to elsewhere which doesn't have such policies.

You protest, not avoid

>b-b-but protesting is communism!

>>59569055
This is true.
Bitcoin is like cash, but there's a log of what 'wallet ID' things went to and from. (Oversimplification.)
So, you'd have to have a <wallet> to pay the VPN with, and then a way of 'obfuscating' transactions between that wallet and your wallet.


Kind of like:
Wallets A B C D E
||
||
Wallet X
||
||
Wallets Asecret Bsecret Csecret Dsecret Esecret

Now, say you are A.
You pay X .1BTC.
B, C, D, and E also paid X varying amounts of BTC.
X pays out BTC to Asecret, Bsecret, Csecret, Dsecret, and Esecret.

Just because A paid X .1BTC; there's no correlation directly of why X paid Asecret .1BTC, assuming a sufficiently large number of transactions going through.

Again, an oversimplification, but it's really the same as IRL money laundering.


Mind you... if you're worried about someone knowing you're paying for a VPN, you might be doing something illegal, in which case, you weren't 'safe' before the ISPs started selling your data if you didn't already know all this sort of stuff, and use it.

>heheh my isp will nevr kno wat im doing
>all i gotta do is connect to the internet through my isp then go a different way!
i reckon isps wont be selling info about retards

>>59568508
>Isn't it a bit ironic that "the land of the free" is now demonstrably less free than most of the developed world?
It is still legal in the USA to go out on the corner of the street and shout "I believe that all kikes and niggers should be crucified and whipped, all fags will burn in hell, and Hitler had the right idea." A cop walking by and hearing you shout this wouldn't be able to (legally) do anything about it.

Now, how would that play out in Germany, or the UK, or any other country?

The US has a number of issues, but in some ways at least it remains the most free country on the planet.

>>59581573
Actually, while there may or may not be a charge that could stick, a cop could definitely arrest you.

Do you know what they'd charge you with?
>Disturbing the Peace.
>Hate Crimes of Various Sorts (Accusing you of 'threatening' a person by doing the slander-shouting.)
>Inciting Civil Unrest (or whatever it is called in that area)

There are probably a dozen other fairly common ones that they could arrest you for.
If you were poor, odds are you'd actually get charged and possibly convicted.

>>59581672
It would be a wrongful arrest, and it would open up the cop's jurisdiction to a costly lawsuit for violating the 1st Amendment.

>>59566911
what are you hiding you sick motherfucker

>>59581703
Well, it really depends.

You could definitely get convicted for disturbing the peace.

>>59581798
Eurocuck clearly doesn't understand American laws regarding speech.

>>59581798
yeah if you did your little display inside a fucking store or something

>>59581809
I actually live in the USA, and have had an unfortunate amount of interaction with the legal system.

>Shouting things.
This is basically illegal if it disturbs someone and wasn't for a legit purpose, ie safety or such.

>>59566819
I'd suggest CyberGhost VPN, it's easy to use, has good speeds/low latency and headquarters are located in Romania, where disclosing your internet behavior is considered anti-constitutional. They have a long and clean record too.

>>59568716

>Germany
Ayyyyy

>>59568632
It's very very cool that you don't care about your personal freedoms. You're so much more enlightened than everyone else because you're apathetic.

But just because you don't care about personal privacy doesn't give the government any right to spy on people who do care. Your apathy is making it more difficult to stop America from having CCTV cameras everywhere like in Britan.

>>59566819
Use Tor or something more secure than a one hop VPN.

A VPN shifts monitoring to your ISP to both your VPN provider and their ISP.

>>59566826
Exactly.

>>59566850
Yes, it's a box somewhere you proxy through. Most and all cheaper ones have one upstream ISP who sees all traffic in and out and can correlate the streams.

>>59567002
They will definitively start rounding up "thought criminals" in more places than Norway, Sweden and Germany soon. And you won't notice, most people in these counties wherevit's already going on don't.

is tor safe enough?

>>59568671
>>>59568661
>its very very difficult to see the internat traffic during VPN. you need the key or you need to crack the key.

No, it's not but it depends on the threath model. Who gave you the keys? Your VPN provider who obviously has them. It will defeat a weak local adversary like your employer - who could fire you.

>>59568694
Exactly.

>>59568706
You still have to trust thence not to share with your local government or be your local government. Terrorist organizations like the CIA have a lot of shell corporations doing various things.

>>59570361
They just get http and DNS.

>>59570643
>>59570664
This is actually a valid point, depending on setup. You can tunnel the entire network through the VPN or set it up per program. The latter results in DNS leaks and all kinds of other leaks.

>>59566872
This