>the city of Intel tears

>>59558046
that is not the 1600x

>>59558046
shilled by NewEgg itself ? wow

>>59558051
Because it's not released yet.

Really wondering wether I should get a 1700 or wait for a 1600x. With tax and all it would probably cost 280 Eu and that model doesn't even have a cooler included.

>>59558046
>3.0Ghz
>best for gaming
I dont get it.

>>59558392
of course you don't get it if you think CPU freq means anything in a vacuum

>>59558436
I just know that for gaming single cpu performance right now is more important.

>>59558046
What motherboard do I get for Ryzen?

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>>59558479
One with an AM4+ socket.

How high can this clock to on average? Disregarding the turbo really, I'm sure it can clock to higher on even its stock fan.

>>59558479
Avoid Anus like plague.

>>59558479
Anything but assus

>>59558553
MSI is alright?

>>59558553
>>59558580
Is MSI or Gigabyte ok? I want the Gaming-5 or the Titanium

>>59558505
I'll plug your socket anon

>>59558046
What are these things OCing to

>>59558591
>>59558606
Get the B350 Tomahawk

>>59558591
Also megagigabyte. If I remember right MSI will have A-XMP soon for Ryzen. Maybe they already have it, haven't checked.

>>59558046
too bad all the reviews and benchmarks so far have been fucking disappointing..
get a 7700k for the same price and you'll be better served.

>>59558610
4ghz like the others.

>>59558606

MSI, Gigabyte, and Asrock, are the only motherboard makers trying to earn your money if you buy an AMD chip. Asus could give a shit about you but they'll gladly charge you for the privilege of owning an Asus motherboard. If you're lucky they won't even brick your motherboard.

>>59558553
>>59558580

What's wrong with Asus? I thought their motherboards where generally considered to be some of the best?

>>59558695

If it's on an Intel chipset they're pretty good.

>>59558687
That's sad

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>tfw it OCs to 4GHz with the fucking stock cooler

>>59558689
>>59558624

Thank you anons. Looking at other motherboards.

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Convince me to not buy the 1800x despite knowing the 1700 is the better value option. I'll be buying a fat cooler or an AIO watercooler regardless.

So which is the best ryzen to buy for a poorfag?

>>59558906
R5 or R3 (neither are out yet)

>>59558606
i have the gaming 5 and it has been working great. so far at least. running bios f5d with a gskill 16gb 2x8gb cas 14 3000mhz single rank samsung kit.

>>59558906

Bottom tier R5, 4 core, 8 thread, for 170 burgers. A B350 motherboard for 90 bucks that also lets you overclock it.

Intel charges ten dollars more for a two core four threaded i3.

>>59558529
Some managed to push 4.0 on the stock fan, but generally it's around 3.9GHz on 130W+ cooler

>>59558896
Why? Unless you're not planning on overclocking the X models are a good choice.

>>59559000
Don't B350 all oc?

>>59559014

They do, but not all B350 chipsets will have an adequate power phase design for overclocking. So make sure you look at what you want, versus what you can expect.

>>59559041
How do I find out? I was considering the R5 1400 with the $79 MSI mobo, and only moderately overclocking.

>>59559062

I would spend a touch more and get the PCmate B350 over the gamer series.

It looks like better phase changes and capacitors for a better overclock.

>>59558695
They're good. For Intel
AMD (and especially AM4), they're shipping motherboards that require a prereleased RYZEN chip in order to update your BIOS. DOA before you even began. Also hear they have the 1.5v problem.

>>59559173
>PCmate B350
who the hell comes up with this names?

>>59558965
Oh nice! By chance are you using an m.2 drive with that mobo? I've been worried about the placement on it.

>>59559191
don't forgot going over 1.2v's on the SOC voltage also brings back the bricking issue prior to 0902. where anything higher than 1.0v's caused the "bios is updating" upon reboot randomly when no flash was done. bricking the board because of it.

>>59559173
I need mATX though. Do they have that form factor?

>>59559274
i am. i'm using a samsung 950 pro 512gb and like you i was concerned as well but it works just fine. with my room being ~~26c and when my 1080 ftw is under load during a long gaming session the 950 doesn't go above 60c. the drive doesn't start throttling till it reaches 70c so its all good.

>>59559312

Then it should be fine, but I would suggest the B350m Mortar. Power phases and chokes are hugher quality for a better overclock that will last longer.

>>59559260

I would rather have a comfy friendly meme name.

They make the Tomahawk and Mortar with military themed packaging.

>>59559346
Rock on! Thanks man! I'll get one assuming I can find one haha

Any advice for when it arrives?

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>>59558687
>>59558717
>Comparing GHz across architectures
>Comparing GHz at all

>is there ryzen 1900?
>is there ryzen 2000?

>>59559473
please stop animeposting

>>59559436
just update to the latest bios on your first post. pretty much with ryzen in general always update to the latest bios. oh, and make sure your ram kit is a single rank samsung chip based kit. virtually ANY gskill cas 14-14-14-34 3000 - 3200mhz 16gb (2x8) kit. trust me, it will make your life easier. if you need a 32gb kit, pick up a 4x8 cas 14 3000 - 3200mhz gskill kit because it will be single rank samsung. it will still be limited to 2666mhz since ryzen it limited to 2666mhz with 4x8 configurations, but you can at least run it as a 16gb 2x8 at 3000-3200mhz until amd improves memory frequencies (which they stated). also don't get ANY 2x16gb 32gb kit. ALL 16gb modules are dual rank and limited to 2666mhz unless you up the BCLK (which has its own problems), and ryzen HATES dual rank memory. samsung dual rank are better than hynix, but ryzen still hates it. just hates it a little less.

oh and when going above 2666mhz, all cas latencies have to be EVEN numbers, not odd. so no cas 15. ryzen will make it cas 16 instead. another reason to avoid hynix kits like shitty ass corsair (since nearly all corsair kits are hynix, even their overpriced garbage domintor series) because hynix likes ODD numbers, not even like samsung.

whats the point of getting a X370 if you can OC on a b350?

I'd like to build one of these R5s for around $300. I'm fucking around a bit and can only get a full build for about $490

>>59559624
to my knowledge, x370 are the only boards with the option of having a bclk generator, more pci-express lanes, more usb 3.1 ports, more sata ports, and multi-gpu support. now the bclk isn't inherently limited to x370, since x370 by default doesn't come with a bclk generator, but it seems like motherboard manufacturers are only tossing bclk generators on x370 boards. just like manufacturers appear to only putting on nice vrm configurations on x370 boards as well. like 6+4 - 8+4 configs instead of 4+4 / 4 + 3 seen commonly on b350 boards. granted since ryzen appears to have a ceiling of 4-4.1ghz, anything higher than 6+4 appears to be overkill. 6+4 is the icing on the cake.

msi x370 carbon - 6+4 (average nikos)
gigabyte gaming 5 and k7 - 6+4 (international rectifier power stages)
anus crosshit vi hero - 8+4 (some anus branded ones, not IR, but not nikos)
msi x370 titanium - 6 + 4 (average nikos)
asrock tachi and fatality pro - 12 + 4 (international rectifier power stages)

>>59559818
IR3553M are used on the gaming 5 and gaming k7. very good vrm's. the k7 does have better cooling for the vrm's since they utilize heat pipes to connect both sinks together unlike the 5 but since ryzen doesn't push the limits, at 1.4+v's on the 5, the vrm's will hover around 70-75c. so efficiency is still excellent. if you use a cooler like the nh-d15s, the active cooling from the fans will keep the vrms nice and cool, and thus lower temps.

the gaming k7 is an excellent choice from gigabyte and honestly, i recommend it over the crosshair vi hero. better vrm hardware, nearly identical hardware feature set, and similar build quality but costs less.

oh also the asrock fatality x370 gaming k4 / SLI killer is a better buy than the shitty ass asus prime x370. asrock uses a MUCH better vrm config since it too uses IR power stages.

>>59559624
You can get 4.25ghz on the X370 if your cooling is good enough.

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>>59558553
>>59558580

>tfw the ASUS B350 MATX is the only one that goes with your colour scheme and has no red/led crap

>>59560129
>having a case where anything inside is visible

>>59558046
IT'S SHIT FOR MULTI-TASKING
REAL WORLD APPLICATIONS
AND GAMING

How could anyone want to get that one when you could get the i7 7700k for less and that is not bullshit ?

>>59559408
How do you even get information on power phases of mobos?

>>59560152
Why can't they just make more colour neutral mobos? Why does everything have to be "red gaming led" and shit?

>>59560177
shoo shoo dirty shill!

>>59560177
*chases a shekel down the street*

>>59558464
in ideal conditions sure
But we don't game on freshly booted machines
Hell I don't turn my computer off.
I have been on for 22 days because I had to take a gpu out for rma, prior to that I was in the 130 days uptime.
My idle load right now is around 30-40% use on a quad core.

Sure, a game may eat single core and ask for more, but being able to give it cores that are completely untouched by programs, as in assign it manually cores, and then assign the game itself 1-4 cores if not more while not effecting any programs performance is also a fairly major benefit, one I am willing to shave ~20% off the peak max fps to give me better overall

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>>59560177
Except 7700k is more expensive. Z270 mobos aren't cheap, B350's are.

Also, why would you give money to a company that actively locks you out of overclocking just to sell you unlocked chips at a premium? Why would you support such anti-consumer behaviour when there is now an alternative?

>>59560178
in the case of gigabyte and asrock, they simply tell you on the product page.

in other cases, from teardowns. overclock.net has a "amd ryzen AM4 motherboard vrm" thread for this purpose.

>>59559818
>>59560000
is pretty accurate with the vrm info. nikos are pretty average and work well when kept within spec, but once out of spec, they are known for catching on fire. they're widely used on msi boards since msi is famous for cheeping out on vrms to cut cost. per 100 boards, its like 0.30 cents for a single niko vrm while its like $3.50 for a single ir3553 powerstage.

Part pricing at 1000+ quantity (so about 100 motherboards if 6+4 phase count):
On Semi 4C09N is about $0.25 each in 1000+ quantity https://octopart.com/ntmfs4c09nt1g-on+semiconductor-26105567
On Semi 4C10N is also about that amount https://octopart.com/search?q=4C10N+mosfet
On Semi 4C06N is about $0.30 each in 1000+ quantity https://octopart.com/search?q=mosfet+4C06N
NIKOS PK632BA is about $0.30 each according to a variety of Asian places (aliexpress/alibaba/ etc)
Vishay SIRA12DP (used on Gigabytes mainstream Z97 / Z170 / Z270) ~ $0.40 https://www.digikey.com/product-detail/en/vishay-siliconix/SIRA12DP-T1-GE3/SIRA12DP-T1-GE3CT-ND/3178384
Vishay SIRA18DP (used on Gigabytes mainstream Z97 / Z170 / Z270) ~ $0.40 https://www.digikey.com/product-detail/en/vishay-siliconix/SIRA12DP-T1-GE3/SIRA12DP-T1-GE3CT-ND/3178384
TI NexFET is about $2 each in 1000+ quantity https://octopart.com/csd87350q5d-texas+instruments-19874993
IR3553 PowIRStage ~$3.50 each https://octopart.com/ir3553mtrpbf-infineon-65873046
IR3555 PowIRStage ~$3 each in 1000+ quantity https://octopart.com/search?q=IR3555
ISL95712 PWM ~ $7 https://octopart.com/search?q=ISL95712
IR35201 PWM ~ $3 https://octopart.com/ir35201mtrpbf-international+rectifier-73098642

>>59560209
>Mobos
Kys

>>59560323
kek gigabyte uses shitty vrm's on their z270 boards while using the premium stuff on their x370 boards.

INTEL BTFO.

>>59558730
it CAN overclock, doesn't mean it should.
The stock cooler gets VERY close to thermal shutdown on a 4ghz clock, so a few weeks down the line when some dust gets in, hard shutdowns for everyone.

would rather just get a good aftermarket and be done with it.

>>59558529
the average chip its 3.8/3.9 ar 1.3v some of the better ones hit 4ghz at 1.3 some need to go higher.

almost all can hit 3.9 with 1.375v

>>59559601
Fuuuuuck. I already have Gskill 32gb 2x16 C14 memory from when I thought this was gonna be an Intel build. Am I boned? Should I attempt to return it?

>>59560355
He said motherboards in a sense.
Whata the big deal you faggot

>>59560718
don't buy anus boards, people were running better ram on gigabyte and asrock boards for some time now

>>59559012
I will OC as much as I can. My worry is not getting 4GHz with the 1700. My autism wouldn't take it.

I see someone unboxing an R5, but I can't seem to find a store that sells them.

>>59563376
They're already available on Paraguay. AMD allowed some partners to sell it before the official release date.

Asus prime x370 pro owner here.
Board came with 0504 bios.
Overclocked my r7 1700 to 3.9 @1.385 volts easily.
Ram running at rated speed of 2400mhz.

Literally no problems at all so far. I think it's just luck of the draw with most new tech like this.

I wanted the MSI board because it's $20 cheaper but it wasn't in stock so I jumped on this and it matches my black and white theme. Just need to get a new graphics card to make it complete and get rid of my 290x.

>>59558392
Well I find it strange too, my i5 4670k has a base clock of 3.4ghz(3.9ghz turbo) and they have the nerve to price it like that