OMG INTEL IS FINISHED WILL THEY EVER RECOVER?

Literally came on /g/ for the Ryzen discussion

So, how is it?

>>59556019

inteljews in absolute and undeniable suicide watch

>>59556059
still smarter than inferior subhuman gentiles like you

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>>59556019
Neat.

>>59556067

Guess who gassed who

>>59556019
>Windows 8
lyl

>>59556019
Can't wait for the 12C/24T version of the Ryzen.
brb, selling all my Intel shares.

Who cares when infinity fabric and low clock speeds causes it to be shit for gaming

>>59556019
>ryzen clockspeed 3.2-3.6Ghz

how is the single thread performance even that close? i thought they were core locked r7's

>>59556117
>>>/v/

>>59556153
It's only in CPU-z, that's why you always see AMD shills using CPU'z. It's because of l3 cache or whatever. Every other benchmark has it behind.

>>59556279
post link

>>59556279
>not using L3 cache
>acting like it's the hardware at fault rather than shitty benchmarking software
You are the niggest.
>>59556201
Already sold my Intel shares and bought AMD, there's no point trying to shill at me.

Inter is going to get bought out by AMD. It's the only way Intel will make it, now.

>>59556117
more like 16c/32t f.a.m

>>59556366
I never said it's hardware's fault. CPU-z "benchmark" is currently heavily biased in favor of Ryzen.

>>59558837
>heavily biased
>because ryzen is better at certain workloads
kek

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>>59556279
>Using L3 cache is cheating
>But shitty GAYMES that improperly manage CCX isn't

>>59556019
yeah no. they are selling it for 125 dollars more in the shithole i was born in. i though i would be able to afford one. nope.

>>59556019
>1988

Slower than my 2 years old 4690K.

>>59559241
>All I care about is 10-20% higher single threaded performance

/v/ is that way, faggot.

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>>59556019
Hey that's pretty good

>>59559241
at least it's not the 1600x, that is going to chew your ass

have they tried OCing it?
I want to know the kind of max OCs they can get

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>>59556019
The future is red. Let Intel drown in their own pool of Jew slime.

>>59559434
they can probably go higher than the r7's, seeing that the power requirements are quite lower

>>59559462
I know but I want to see it actually tested for confirmation

Should I get one of the r5s and then get the more
cores r7s one Ryzen begins to build up later on?
Looking to build a workstation/mild-gaming PC.

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>>59559440
I'm going to buy Ryzen and marry Amada!

>>59559471
well, maybe someone will leak it

nonetheless at april 11 we will know

>>59556153
You can't compare GHz across architectures like that, scrubola. FX could hit 5 GHz and was still slower.

>>59556019

I want fuck Lisa Su

>>59559488
what the fuck are you trying to say?

>>59559488

>workstation/mild-gaming PC.

just buy r7 you nigger

>>59559488
if you can stand 370 fps instead of 390, get the r7

if not, get the 1600(x), they will probably overclock somewhat better, and you don't lose too much on multithreaded tasks

>>59556019
WE'VE BEEN THROUGH THIS STORY BEFORE

HOW MANY FUCKING TIMES UNTIL PEOPLE FUCKING LEARN

>>59556019
Was this Google translated or did some dumb paki write the article?

>>59559553
>oh no, muh fps is too low, only 170fps

>>59559521
Dummy
>>59559535
Yeah, I was looking at the r1700 with stock-aftermarket-cooler.
After all it is the best value chip of the three.
>>59559546
Yeah, I don't look forward in falling for the 4k meme with high-end graphics card meme yet.
I'll see if AMD releases anything interesting with Vega or just get an Rx 480 for $125.

>>59559581
The human eye can't see more than 10,000 FPS in CS:GO.

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>>59559581
>not owning the benq 240 hz monitor

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>>59559515

>>59559603
>wasting money
>in a 1080p monitor

>>59556019
I only see very bad single threaded performance
So what is so surprising about this?

>>59559685
nothing you retard, ryzen 5 is DOA

>>59559685
>very bad
>literally 99% of 6700k's
pick one

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>>59559648
>not owning the ASUS™ ROG™ 480hz™ 720p tn monitor

>>59559728
kek

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>>59559747
>when they tell you that the human eye can't see past 9001 hz

Why is the Xenon still the best processor though? Even when it comes to affordability, it's still one of the best ever made.

>>59556019
do not trust leaks
do not trust synthetic benchmarks
wait for release

t. 1700X owner

>>59559794
>xenon
>affordable
>XENON

amd will crush the shitty xeons with their 32c/64t monster soon

>>59559794
wat

>>59556067
>>>59556059
>still smarter than inferior subhuman gentiles like you
..Said the sweaty, obese, socially awkward virgin. Agitated by the comment, the sweat from his forehead caused the bridge of his glasses to gently slide down his nose. "I showed him" he muttered under his breath as he forcefully pushed his pedo glasses up back up again..

>>59558861
>certain
Exactly. What CPU-z's "single core benchmark" measures is not IPC performance, but rather l3 cache speed/amount.

>>59559085
The problem is this is one benchmarking tool out of dozens. Keep shilling it, though. Normies will be convinced Ryzen has better single threaded performance than Intel.

>>59560021
then it's biased because ryzen's l3 cache is actually bigger and better or just because it's an AMD processor?

>>59556019
In all honesty, this is not even my board.
But if you are thinking in make a PC from the ground up and wants the best dollar per fps, would you guys recommend the Ryzen 1700X?

I don't have money for the 1800, and the difference between the 1700 and the 1700X is so small that I would go for the X.

Also, I don't intend to overclock until the warrant becomes void.

Recommend or pass, /g/?

>>59560122
if you just want gaymen buy a 7700k and be happy, if you're doing anything else, like virtual machines, programming/compiling, video editing/encoding/transcoding go for the 1700 or 1700x, or wait for ryzen 5 reviews and see if their cost/fps is better than intel's

>>59560175
Just gamming.

I will probably play everything at 1080p with modern games at maximum of 80 of graphical capabilities. Shadow for example is something that I usually keep at the lowest possible.

>>59560198
7700k if you want it right about now, or wait and see ryzen 5 performance, either way you'll be able to play in 1080p no problems

I will wait for Zen+. Those zen will not break the 4 ghz barrier due to voltage and will be slower than intel in games due to split ccx. Price is good but it will not be better than what intel has to offer.

>>59560296
Maybe I will wait.
In Hueland, everything is expencise. So I really need the best performance per shekel. Also I need a video card so there is that.

Im not sure if that thing of "if you buy Intel, you have to use a Geforce, If AMD, you have to go with Radeon" that existed a few years ago in order to "marry" the system with the same technologies.

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>>59556019
>Intel
>After the recent leaks about hardware backdoors
shiggy diggy doo

>>59560345
huelander here too, I know, those prices are really painful

>>59560380
NSA demands that all hardware companies in US to have backdoors. So there is that...

>>59560122
Ryzen 5's are going to be the best value alongside Pentium's
Do not listen to shills telling you to get the 7700K, before Ryzen no one recommended it since it has pretty awful value, they only recommended it for the best build you could get for muh gaems (which is still a valid recommendation)
Also, the best value chip of the current Ryzen lineup is the 1700 of you're willing to OC

>>59559794
don't you mean xerox?

>>59560122
No, dont get the 1700x, there is next to no difference between the 1700 the 1700x and 1800x, overclock the 1700 to 1800x speed and there you go, if you know what you are doing, clock it to 3.9/4.0

every game will play over 60fps, with future games and massive maps likely to heavily favor amd over intel, see mafia 3 as an example.

However, if you can wait, I would tell you to wait because bioses are still not what anyone would call good.

>tfw going to fall for the Rypoo meme as soon as Zen+ comes out

Excited to set up a dedicated streaming PC using Rypoo, but going to wait this gen out.

>>59560569
Nah, don't worry brah. I can wait.
Maybe I can even get this Ryzen 5 that the other anon said it will be launched soon.

All I want is a good enough computer to lpay some games and keep graphic power enough to play future games at 1080p with some fluidity.

Thanks for the tip by the way.

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I already know what mobo, ram and videocard I'm getting, hurry the fuck up and release the 1600x

>>59560898
get the non X baka

>>59560345
>if you buy Intel, you have to use a Geforce, If AMD, you have to go with Radeon
no, this isn't the case

>>59556147
It's far from being shit for gaming.

>>59560956
yeah, it's not, it's just a meme perpetuated between stupid people, even he knows that

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>>59559794
>Xenon
>Even when it comes to affordability, it's still one of the best ever made.

No, if you want value per dollar, you'll get a better selection if you look at AMD.

Plus, you've also got to factor in the MB cost -- which definitely favors AMD over Xeon.

You are a bunch of retards overhyping the R5 series.

The 1600X won't clock higher than the 1800X, which means it will be slower than the 1800X, which means it will be slower than the i7-7700 non-K version.

You are boring me out with your non-sensical hype.

>https://www.computerbase.de/thema/prozessor/rangliste/

The 1600X will have around 78% relative performance compared to the
Intel Core i7-6950X.

Any other assumption can only made by a retard.

>>59561599
>The 1600X won't clock higher than the 1800X
t. AMD employee

I don't know and you also don't, stop trying to guess shit, and through all history processors with less cores had better overclocks than their counterparts with more cores

>>59561713
You stupid retard, the 1600X is nothing but an 8 core CPU with 2 cores defective or not matching certain criteria so they get cut.
Of course you can clock any CPU up above 5Ghz with ln2 cooling.

It would be stupid for AMD to not clock them at their limit and thus make a bad figure in benchmarks.

And this time even AMD didn't market their CPUs as overclocker's dreams or whatever fuck.

You are really stupid to assume they will go beyond 4Ghz all 6 cores without exploding thermal dissipation and power consumption.

>>59556019
Is there going to be a BIOS-level fix for the weird Ryzen SIMD instruction bug that was discovered earlier this week?

>>59561771
even if it doesn't overclock, how is it going to be slower than the 7700 if single thread performance is that close?

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>>59556019
delet

>>59561771
oh right, I forgot, multithreaded performance doesn't matter

>>59560046
Well then, let me see them.

>>59559728
>not 1024x768 960hz

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>>59556019
>tfw i7 6700k owner
>tfw anus on fire.
DELETE this

>>59561870
It matters, but only when Intel's on top.

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>feelsgoodman

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>>59562309
Canadian prices are fucking retarded

>>59562428
Perhaps it's a bad idea to have a currency completely tied to the oil price.

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>>59562428
>$235 for ram

feelsbadman

>>59562428
Monopoly money isn't real money, syrupbro.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=I71ov8iiDP8

BIOS improvements to ryzen already

TL;DW - RAM running up to 3200, OCing higher before no boot

>>59562498
thanks for posting this makes me feel a little better about >>59562309

>>59562498
>couple of bios updates to crosshair

no there's been one fucking update so far
where are the others?

>>59563496
near the end of the video he said the update isn't officially out yet?

and it should be out in about a week

>>59563509
what a fuckin sandnigger did he hax0r assus or some shit I want that fucking update too

>officespace reference

I GOT IT

>>59563522
the only information I have is from what he said, sorry I can't be more help

>>59560561
KEK

>>59563553
np man
>are we actually going to boot 4.1
>holy hell

rofl

>>59559794
Xenon is a PPC CPU for Xbox 360.

Allo

>>59560569
>However, if you can wait, I would tell you to wait because bioses are still not what anyone would call good.
It's not a horrible experience to flash a bios every other week. A decent flash drive and not being an idiot makes it hard to brick one nowadays. Still I agree. There's also the issue that there aren't many good boards out there on the cheap or anything mini ITX at all.

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>still waiting on a decent motherboard

Should I just get the BIOSTAR? My current mainboard is BIOSTAR and has been kicking 5+ years after two failed MSI's...

>>59556019
Dual X5650 represent

>>59564715
early adopters get memed on every time

patience

>>59564767
yeah, I'm still waiting for Vega anyways

>>59559772
So, the over 9000 meme is actually and factually precise?

Them power levels.

>>59556019
Maybe you should figure out how to use English properly before you try to shill in it Poojeet.

>>59564574
Its not even the install process (though needing a dos bootable device to do the initial bios update on asrock is bullshit) what I'm talking about is right now ram is expensive as fuck, ssds are expensive as fuck, and there is no guarantee the motherboard shit will be fixed any time soon.

By the time motherboards get sorted out, ryzen+ will likely be within waiting distance out along with newer motherboards that may be better then what we currently have.

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>>59565362
i've waited too long already, i'd like to play a modern game

>>59560569
Considering most of the motherboards are on backorder. Even if he bought it now he'd likely have to wait anyways.

>>59565451
dude im on a 955 stock with ddr2, you can play pretty much any modern game, the only ones I have issue with are because ddr2 fucks the fps along with im not willing to close programs so my 16gb of ddr2 gets fucked even more to the point I lag.

drop an amd 480 or better yet, because of the weak cpu a 1060 6gb into your system and it will still play most games near 60fps.

granted, and i'm not going to lie, your ddr3 fucking blows cock... there is a good chance my ddr2 is legitimately faster than it now that I look at it.

>>59567158
I am >>59564715 as well, so I am just waiting for a mainboard. Still don't know if I will wait for Vega, or get a 980ti... but I got a big bonus at work that is funding this, so price isn't really an issue...

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>>59564715
I have the X370GT7 with 1700X. Latest bios has been great, finally reads temp diode properly so the auto fan speed isn't retarded high all the time. I don't have samsung b-die memory I don't think, but my TridentZ RGB gets 2933 on this board, maybe upping my SOC voltage may get me to 3200 but I haven't pushed any extra volts. I'm doign 4.0 Ghz on stock voltage. This is my first Biostar board I've personally owned, and I'm pleasantly surprised. I still prefer Asrock as the best value brand and good VRMs, but in the future I think IO will be ok suggesting Biostar high end.

>>59567438
Your build is really nice and it has a unique aesthetic with the non-standard orange.

>>59567438

They aren't the trash heap they used to be.

They're also lunatics. They showcased a mini-ITX with an X370 chip pre-launch.

>>59567466
Thanks, it always feels like a work in progress though. I've never sat down and made a coordinated build, or spent the money on all the tiny aesthetic touches like braided cables. I tear into the guts far too often for it to be show build quality, which I think most enthusiasts are the same way.

>>59567438
hahah listen to yourself

that fucking checklist of must haves just to have something that runs well

good lord wait for zen2

>>59567567
Checklist being memory, motherboard, and a CPU? Well fuck me, if you can build something that runs well without buying those components please point me in the right direction friend.

>>59567567
wat
The only must have in that post is the motherboard that he didn't even knew was going to be good
He literally points out that his components are pretty normal and far from being the optimum for Ryzen, and that even then he's getting better performance than what stock does
Fucking Intel brainlet shills

>>59567188
your gpu is fucking shit, if you can get
http://www.ebay.com/itm/Gigabyte-GeForce-GTX-980-Ti-G1-Gaming-6GB-GDDR5-/172591704363?hash=item282f44692b:g:aeMAAOSwSlBY1QsL

for cheap, get it

this is the cheapest non sketchy one
http://www.ebay.com/itm/Asus-Strix-STRIX-GTX980TI-DC3OC-6GD5-GAMING-GeForce-GTX-980-TI-Graphic-Card-/332163980888?hash=item4d56841e58:g:rMoAAOSw32lY1WQG

this may be wroth it too
http://www.ebay.com/itm/NEW-OPEN-BOX-MSI-GeForce-GTX-1080-Gaming-X-8GB-GDDR5X-TwinFrozr-VI-Graphics-C-/361936331684?hash=item54451623a4:g:wrAAAOSw4A5Y1AAO

I would personally get this
http://www.ebay.com/itm/EVGA-NVIDIA-GeForce-GTX-960-/262906386333?hash=item3d3671179d:g:oL8AAOSwhQhY0vGW
or
http://www.ebay.com/itm/Gigabyte-Radeon-R290X-4GB-Overclock-Edditon-/201861543317?hash=item2effe2b595:g:B6sAAOSwCU1Y0VsP

and hold over till vega, at worst vega seems to at least be 1080 power, and at best closer to a titan xp then 1080, and this is based on flop difference between the 290x and 970 for the worst measurement and the 480 and 1060 for the best one. that's the range vega could be as I honestly doubt amd would make an even less efficient per flop gpu when the process does not fall through.

if amd can get that flop difference down to 15% then vega plays with a 1080ti, but I doubt this.

What I don't doubt is vega will be a fair bit cheaper then everyone is expecting.

There is only one metric that actually matters

best ryzen you can buy vs best kabylake you can buy, average fps per dollar achieved on multiple games over the last 5 years, using a 1080ti.

intel 7700k wins, so that's what I bought.

>>59568243
> intel 7700k wins
You mis-spelled AMD 1700

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>>59568243
>There is only one metric that actually matters

back to /v/ >>>>>

>>59563522
beta bioses floating around on OC forums, I wouldn't recommend installing it.

should I pull 1700x trigger?
1700(not in stock) is 24000 wooden tugriks vs 29000 wooden tugriks
essentially nothing, inflation will eat that much in 5 months
taichi came to town for 17000 tugriks
Only question I have is RAM, what are the chances I buy RAM that wouldn't work?

>>59568667

It's up to you to decide if it's worth it. Auto overclocking and a binned chip for less power consumption and heat.

Taichi is the best board for the money on Ryzen.

Get G.Skill Trident Z 3200Mhz, CL 14-15, 2x8GB sticks. Those are Samsung b. die chips that work well with Ryzen.

>>59560003
>up back up
ok

>>59568667
yes

>>59556019

are intel xeons even good for gaming?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RZS2XHcQdqA

>>59569051
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vA0vAYCiDds&t

it's alright, considering how old it is

>>59559985
I bought 4 xeons on aliexpress with a total of 16 real cores for $30. How can AMD even compete?

>>59569051
They are more expensive than similarly clocked i7s and a bit slower due to higher latency of ECC memory. You can surely use them for gaymen, but why would you want to?

>>59569115
It would be insane to buy new xeon for gaming.

>>59559597
If little Vega is truly a core and memory interface comparable Polaris I would be disappointed. Little Vega with Hawaii comparable specs would make a lot more sense to me both in giving proper market and price segmentation.

If Vega really is a solid IPC upgrade, along with the ~250-350Mhz clock improvement, I would hope for little Vega to sport GDD5X, and it would assumedly be a power comparable product with anywhere from 25-40% better performance than the 480.
At $250-300 (non-inflated MSRP) that is a real solid buy. If.

If big Vega has a cut down brother with full 8GB of HBM2 still and the same 7/8ths shader count as Fury did to FuryX I would expect it to consume ~195w average and perform somewhere around a max OC 1080.
At ~$400-450 (market disruptive price which could lower 1080 prices again) it would be interesting, but only if driver issues and quality control are kept in check.

tl;dr I highly fucking doubt the 480 will ever hit $125 retail before discontinuation, with the expected price>performance between Polaris and Vega we might see $200 high quality custom 8GB versions, $175 custom 8GB.
If little vega really is a specification match with P10 it'll at best be 35-40% better at 1080p

>>59560569
>There's no difference between blah dee blah blah
Voltage required for a given clock speed.

An 1800x downclocked to the 1700's stock would use something like 10-15 watts less because it needs a little less voltage.

AMD binned their parts well. I'd buy one of those 4.1Ghz certified 1800's for the $650 if I could justify the cost, and if I didn't know that better revisions of Zeppelin are coming at year's end.

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>>59568667

1700, clock it up. Memory wise its all up in the air - I have a 3200mhz kit and i'm currently tuning to get it to run at that speed but its proving to be difficult (rock solid at AM4's officically fastest supported speed of 2666mmhz).

My next goal is to get my cpu to 4ghz or higher but thats going to require some very delicate hand tuning rather than straight up multiplier overclocking which i'm doing now.

>>59564715
asrock AB350m pro4

Any benchmarks on CEMU?