Post Stallman's Face when he reads this

>>59551565
this has been known for a long time you /pol/tard

>>59551583
No, it has been speculated for a long time you fucking simp

>something that's been known for fucking years
Any idiot that runs Intel gets what they deserve.

>>>/pol/117886401

>>59551565
This is already known. Pretty spooky desu

What do I buy then? Do we have to make our own hardware from zero?

>>59551648
The Russians have an x86 clone called Elbrus because they don't want CIAnigger backdoors.

You can choose if you want to be backdoored by CIAniggers or FSBvodkafags.

if this is shocking to you then you dont understand enough about computers to use them and be concerned about your privacy.

So la di da the government can spy on you with computers and phones. There's nothing you can do about it so what's the next step if you need to limit exposure? You stop using those things. The only people who have problems with this are perverts and terrorists.
Prove me wrong though


What's ACTUALLY concering is if people in, including but not limited to, russia or china, india (you know those heavily populated areas with computers but not wealth), can figure out how to backdoor those processes, it's certainly not impossible. It really wouldnt be that supprising if there were people who've hacked global banks and are siphoning tiny amounts of money.

The game is not getting caught, so how are you going to assume you've even identified the best players.

People have known this
It's currently being posted for chaff

>>59551565
/pol/ confirmed bluepilled

>>59551565
Send this to Terry. What CPU is he using?

>>59551739
>incredibly long winded "nothing to hide, nothing to fear"
>prove me wrong
https://lmgtfy.com/?q=nothing+to+hide+nothing+to+fear+refuted

>>59551668
FSB don't run my country and can't gulag/blackbag me. CIA plausibly could and show every intention of doing it to anyone who questions their narratives, means, or ends.

It's a no-brainer to pick the russian backdoor if you live in a western country.

>>59551838
yeah its wrong but what are you going top do about it m8? if you use the internet at all you can be compromised.

Right?


to me it's like you guys are bitching that it's hot outside when its summer. stop whining and fix it if it's such a problem for you, fuck

>>59551565
>I'm not a LARPing faggot, here's a W-2!
There are well over 20,000 people in the United States who could provide this kind of shitty "proof", but of course /pol/shits will eat it up because critical thinking isn't required to confirm biases.

It's still hearsay, and there's nothing you can do to avoid it anyway short of using older hardware that can still be bugged conventionally.

The only way to win the game is not to play, stop living your life on the fucking internet and keep anything you believe an alphabet soup may take interest in off the grid, but even if you didn't, I wouldn't be afraid anyway since these shitheads can't even track down mudslimes planning attacks on Facebook while hoarding zero-days they shouldn't need if they have unrestricted access to a system through the ME as we would believe.

I am so fucking sick of nu-/g/

Everyone knew this shit when they FIRST implemented it. Almost a fucking decade ago. You think Richard fucking Stallman doesn't already know this since then? Just fuck off. Please, fuck off. You're making this board terrible.

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>>59551565
Don't with friends if you disconnect your PC from power or at least b make sure it's not connected to the internet then you're not getting surveiled on.

>>59551877
But you can't, so let's not talk about it like an option. The shit's pure vaporware to begin with and even if you somehow found a way to import it, it wouldn't be that hard for an agency that wipes their ass with a few grand to swoop in and bug your shit in transit. Especially in the current climate, some retard ordering Russian military/government systems is going to drum up some attention if shit's as deep as you think it is.

>>59551592
Are you retarded?

does AMD have this?

>>59551970
actually, there is 300 million people in the US that could just print one, there is literally no anti forgery in the OP.

>>59552029
Since 2013 at least they have implemented a similar management system.
I'll be one of those obnoxious faggots and link the libreboot write-up on the subject:
https://libreboot.org/faq.html#amd-platform-security-processor-psp

>>59552043
It's true, but I'll give them the benefit of the doubt and assume they're a (You)-starved intern with some time to kill.

>>59551565

Daily reminder that intel sucks dick

>>59551648

AMD Ryzen obviously since that company actually cares about their customers

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>>59551565

>>59551970
>These shitheads can't even track down mudslimes planning attacks on Facebook
Why would they go out and catch their own minions?

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>>59551648
>
>AMD Ryzen obviously since that company actually cares about their customers

So, my C2D is safe?

/pol/ has a serious problem with roleplayers

>>59551565
Fucking LARPers everywhere

>>59552111
If they're working together they're doing a shit job of doing whatever they're doing since it's causing instability and many people to question the current order they're trying to maintain.

Of course, you could allege that they're using them to accomplish exactly that and create transitions towards far-right authoritarian regimes, but that's a pretty retarded idea considering the current methods of controlling the wider populace are far more sustainable because the subjects are actually willing to go with it. And if a dipshit commoner like me could observe this, it's certain that those born and raised to consider these kinds of possibilities have observed it as well.

>>59552158
I think pol has a serious problem with VPNS.
Am I really supposed to believe all these different countries post at the same time in the same thread?

If it can be engineered, it can be reverse engineered. Here's a project — It's called "Let's put an end to FUD". I'll tell you how we do that. Simple, really. Someone needs to install a clean version of Windows 10 in an empty drive in a modern pc. This will be our baseline pc. Then, get a modem and disable all of its wireless features, but turn on logging of all incoming and outgoing transmission attempts. Then, wire that pc to that modem and allow the pc to run untouched for a week. Check the logs. Any unauthorized transmissions? Do the same on a relatively old pc. Check the logs. Compare transmissions to modern pc. Do the same on modern pc but with a linux distro installed. Compare transmissions. Do the same on the old pc with linux distro installed. Compare transmissions. Report findings to /g/.

>>59551838
that's not his argument you dense shit.

>>59552175
it's absolutely VPNs. so many shitposters fake flags so they can screenshot the threads and post on le epic /r/4chan

Complete bullshit.

Please explain how this so-called surveillance hasn't been noticed or proven by anyone ever? So it can fool your cpu big deal. That has no effect on your router or any other external network hardware.

Yall are a goddamn embarrassment. Any A+ certified moron could run some basic network diagnostics to prove it if it were happening.

>it has full access to the TCP/IP stack

>>59552401
They only activate it on high profile targets tard. You must have the F+ certification.

whats new? additionally thus is why you should get an fx8350 and an intel atom processor. best combo

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how the fuck is this even a secret when people have wireshark

>>59551587
""""""""""""""""""""speculated""""""""""""""""""""

recon dot cx/2014/slides/Recon%202014%20Skochinsky.pdf

>>59552455
dumb anime poster

The stories and information posted here are artistic works of fiction and falsehood.
Only a fool would take anything posted here as fact.

>>59552401
Network hardware is infected too.

>>59552401
yes it does, one backdoored device can compromise the whole system. since me has tcp ip access do the math, it can update the firmware on the target device

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>>59552474
>Network hardware that isn't running x86 Intel hardware is infected with Intel backdoors

Okie doke

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>in all likelihood all hardware is backdoored
>you're not smart enough to take advantage of this

Just use risc-v. Basic 32bit MCUs are already out.

>>59552175
>>59552323

I'm brazilian

4chan is diverse

deal with it shitlords

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>You seriously expect me to believe there are device drivers for webcams, microphones, network devices as well as programs to compromise all these devices on some tiny part of the cpu.

Yes that's exactly what OP is saying you dumb fucks

>>59551565

>CIA and FBI waste time spying the 99.99% world population only for check pirated movies and chinese cartoons.

>When they should spy Trump, Russian gov and other interesting targets.

>>59552472
Tell that to David Calak

>>59552487
>Any idiot that runs Intel gets what they deserve.
What makes you think that any hardware isn't carrying a backdoor?

Unless you hand crafted it yourself it has a built in backdoor.

Even when you buy chink shit you now just have given PRC a backdoor.

>>59552521
I have learned english to stay away from idiots like you, congratz on shitting up every other community.
Go fuck yourself Dilma lover.

>>59552455
It works independently. For example, take iLO: you can use a shared port for it and then do ifconfig eth0 down an it will still work, even though you've disabled eth0 port.

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>>59551583
Wouldn't this be glorious?

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>>59552552
So you're telling me if I started a company in Zimbabwe that made networking devices with custom ASICs, I wouldn't be able to detect a sneaky device with Intel processor trying to phone home because some American government spy mind controlled my African slave engineers?

Model: 4157ZMC ThinkStation S20
CPU: Intel Xeon X5677 (8) @ 3.4GHz

who here /comfortable/ without ime?

>>59552579
You might as well just say wireshark was written by intel. People aren't that stupid, Russian would be watching very intently with their own networking software router level.

I'll slap my tinfoil for this specific case and claim that this is an AMD viralling tactic, the same way they viralled the chip itself, again, on 4chan

It's literally two posts of some very generalized "information", are people seriously this mentally impaired to take it as an ultimate proof?

>>59552554
>was not taught english alongside native tongue
You're no different.

>>59552261
I nominate you.

>>59552261
That would work if you weren't under government mind control to automatically forget anything related to Intel secret packets

Here's the LARPer posting again guys >>>/pol/118053447

Ask him all the tech-specific questions that only someone who's really in that position would know, that would whether he's authentic or just a LARPing shill

>>59552663
>that would whether
that would prove*

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>>59552614
>slap my tinfoil hat on
In order to debunk a claim that the US is putting backdoors in our shit? I don't even know what's a conspiracy anymore. Somebody hold me.

I don't even know anymore. Nowadays it seems like everything has been backdoored, so I keep wondering what's the point of even trying to prevent it?

Have I become too jaded to this whole mass surveillance thing when I think that all those "opt out of this spying feature" doesn't even matter? It's not as if they would ask nicely if you want to be spied on.

>>59552679
kek

>>59552663
>hardware has backdoor guis
>i work at intel i should know
>so let me just out myself out on a public forum
Real smart, i don't care how many virtual machines and vpns he's running, intel and federal agencies will have his head on a stick if what he says is true.

>>59552603
> Russian would be watching very intently with their own networking software router level.
There was that story about "Chinese backdoors": some guy discovered IME presence while working on his own hypervisor and thought it's a Chinese backdoor since all the mobos were made in China. Apparently FSB is OK with it since they were interested at first but ceased any cooperation after a couple of weeks.
https://xakep.ru/2011/12/26/58104/

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>>59552527
But that's exactly it.
Everytime there's a terrorist attack, it's like fucking clockwork "terrorist was referenced by intelligence for years" and still there was no fucking action.
Five corners confirmed for voyeurs and probably cucks.

>>59551565

Oh shit this is HUGE, world changing, this is THE END.

Not really, 6 months from now nothing will be different than it was 6 months ago.

>>59551565

>Dump about information that comes AFTER mentions by wikileaks
>Look, I'm an employee, I have an inkjet printed piece of paper with nothing more than Intel's address on it, surely only an insider would know this.

>>59552170
The current order is well maintained, there is no risk in losing it

What they're doing right now is literally exposing in small controlled doses that they're in fact spying on everyone, their endgame is having people accept this as something totally normal or even mandatory and so far they've been absolutely succesful at it

A lot of people work in Intel, why the fuck would you believe this asshole? There's no proof, why would you even discuss this shit?

>>59551583

I dont believe this

And he decided to post it on the /pol/, where stupid and angry teenagers hang out. Why is there discussion of this post?
I just can't. 77 replies, what the fuck

>>59552786
Why would you all apply logic and thinking to tehcnology and programming, but can't see dumbest fucking baits.
How do you dress yourselves in the morning?

>>59551583
>Known
It's been speculated you turd

>>59552029
Anyone stupid enough to think they don't is, well, stupid.

You can pretty much assume any off-the-shelf components you didn't create yourself or don't have public, verified whitepapers and diagrams of all the parts probably have some shit like this baked into them to varying degrees.

>>59552123
>>59552066
You didn't even reply to the right post you stupid gook

uninstall gentoo if you have i3/5/7 there is no point in using Free Software or GNU/Linoox

>>59551980
>Because we knew about it ten years ago it doesn't merit having a conversation about it know

Have you got any videos or articles with Richard talking about this?

>>59552882
How can we be sure that the people writing those papers or people doing code auditing (like Truecrypt/Veracrypt) aren't working for the gov?

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>>59551565
>mfw I bought AMD just because it was so much cheaper
>mfw I inadvertently saved my own ass

Are the atom CPUs compromised? What about an old Pentium M 1.4GHz? Or only systems with intel ME?

>>59551565
>>59552457
>>59552756
>>59552878
>>59552747
Fuck off.
>>59552152
Nope.
>>59551648
If you trust the rest of the processor, then you can buy a Phenom II (1090t and 1100t are still good for most things besides 4k gaymen) as those were the last processors released without a publicly announced backdoor. Otherwise, you can try disabling ME if you have sandy bridge or ivy bridge.
https://hardenedlinux.github.io/firmware/2016/11/17/neutralize_ME_firmware_on_sandybridge_and_ivybridge.html
>>59552682
Giving up is bad, anon. You should feel bad for not even trying.
>>59552977
That was true up to and including the Phenom II desktop processors. Shitdozer and everything after have backdoors listed as a feature.
>>59553001
Look for vPro, AMT, IME listed as one the features.

>>59552523
>Vienna is both Tasmania and Adelaide.

>>59552977
AMD does the same shit
see >>59552057
>The PSP is an ARM core with TrustZone technology, built onto the main CPU die. As such, it has the ability to hide its own program code, scratch RAM, and any data it may have taken and stored from the lesser-privileged x86 system RAM (kernel encryption keys, login data, browsing history, keystrokes, who knows!)

>>59552603
You're a fucking idiot, the ME sits between the PCI-e bus and the CPU, it can filter packets before they even reach wireshark. neck thyself

>>59553021
>Fuck off.
Go fuck yourself intelel shill

>>59553027
>Early anecdotal reports indicate that AMD’s boot guard counterpart will be used on most OEM hardware, disabled only on so-called “enthusiast” CPUs.
What counts as an "enthusiast" CPU?

>>59553046
>reading comprehension
Fuck off, you retarded monkey.

>>59551739

>So la di da the government can spy on you with computers and phones. There's nothing you can do about it so what's the next step if you need to limit exposure? You stop using those things. The only people who have problems with this are perverts and terrorists.
Prove me wrong though

Hypothetical:
Facial recognition of an anti-administration protestor, pinpointed as an organizational back bone and donation collector. Charles is dissatisfied with his government and advocating protests for a proper representative government.

In a stunning announcement, Charles is now arrested because he was in communication with foreign government agents and spread IS propaganda via social media. And child pornography.

He is now being detained for violating several national security protocols, thanks to an anonymous tipster.

Nine months to two years of being held in a maximum state penitentiary is now being railroaded through an extra-judicial court that determines whether he serves time in a federal prison black hole for politics the current administration holds as "undesirable", or detained in Guantanamo for aiding and abetting terrorist organizations.

If you aren't worried about this potential outcome, when will you be?

>>59553057
He's not worried because he believes that he will be working for the new Stasi, like most of the "nothing to hide, nothing to fear" posters.

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>imy face if i was a commie who actually never did anything who was about to be audited by a agency more powerful than the cia, nsa, and the fbi combined.

>>59553057
The idiots think that because there's a backdoor then they'll only use it to READ.

They don't realise it can be used to READ *or* WRITE.

>>59551809
they're all marxist and muslim so yeah, this post is correct.

>>59551834
He's got one of those mega expensive Xeons.

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>>59553107
this. also terry is smart enough to bend his computer to his will. i seen that niga create a 4d object in a program he made without even trying...

Even if it's true, this is neither shocking nor new.
Keep your private shit off the grid if you care, but even then there is the chance anyone with enough of an interest will get that information.
Me, I don't bother hiding my stuff from the gov or anything, I just try to keep as much as possible from private corps like Google and Facebook (though even that is difficult nowadays). Passwords basically only exist to keep your family from accidentally stumbling across your porn stash, or to keep script kiddies from zombifying your PC for bitcoin mining or downloading shady stuff.
If you really cared about your privacy from EVERYONE, you wouldn't be posting on 4chan in the first place.

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>>59553146
>people on this site think firefox is keeping their data comfy

>>59553023
>Istanbul is both Europe and Asia.

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>>59553160

>>59553158
Who said that? Where did I mention Firefox?
The point of my post was that no data is "comfy" if it's on any computer.

>>59552123
Subhuman gentile, you're too stupid and underdeveloped in comparison to superior Jews.

>>59551565
wasnt there a method discovered some time ago which deactivates it with writing some flash memory, possible breaking the mobo, only for older intel gens

>>59553057
or they could, you know, just kill him and stage it as a suicide or whatever like any other authoritarian regime does, it's no less suspicious than some prominent figure suddenly turning into a pedophile/terrorist extraordinaire overnight when he started asking questions, and in this case he would be silenced on top of it

>>59553225
https://github.com/corna/me_cleaner

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The reason why privacy shits aren't taken seriously is because when you do this you're just as bad as the god baseball fallacy. I've heard this shit "backdoor" meme for years yet we don't have a shred of proof in either direction.

It's amazing how privacy shits think they're so intelligent but when asked to provide the slightest bit of evidence, they hide behind the "well you can't prove there isn't one there" or insist you must be from the government, just like how christfags do the same for saying you can't prove there isn't a god and how you must be an atheist.

It's just time to admit that you don't really give a shit about any of this and you're just a faggot contrarian. Or you can just stick on IRC and jerk off for another decade thinking you're "fighting the good fight" or whatever stupid ass shit you tell yourself.

>>59553225
https://hardenedlinux.github.io/firmware/2016/11/17/neutralize_ME_firmware_on_sandybridge_and_ivybridge.html

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>>59553165
t firecuck

>>59552977
INTEL's ME = AMD's TrustZone fag

>>59553268
Safari is a gay shit.

>>59553274
I've never heard of this TrustZone shit, should I have?

>>59553285
What AMD processor do you have?

>>59553133

We should convince him that the devil is in the Intel Management Engine and that it prevents him from talking to God. Let's put that schizophrenic genius to good use hacking the ME.

>>59553297
FX-8320

Guys, what is a ME?

>>59551993
You're an incoherent mess, but I'd like to point out that Vpro have built in 4g that utilizes the cmos battery.

oh look another non-tech /pol/ thread

>>59553303
I believe that you're PSP free, anon.

>>59553386

>2017
>Not having your computer in a Faraday cage

You normies are just asking to be owned.

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>>59553300
i have zero argument against this.

>>59553283
nice meme.
not really...

>>59553376
It's a ME, MARIO!

>>59552261
Most routers are also backdoored. In fact, back doors were leaked and sold to the highest bidder. You can download the demos on /t/. It's difficult to find a neutral piece of hardware which won't simply ignore backdoor connections.

why the fuck do you shits think people use libreboot on old thinkpads?

this has been known for ages.

>>59553254
>image
Man, that's been kicking around for 10 years.

>>59553430

Where can I find which brands?
I hope my MikroTik isn't compromised.

>>59552455
Retard

>>59551565
>Evidence of surveillance on Trump, his family, and key people in his campaign will come out eventually. I know the surveillance happened for a fact. Future leaks are coming, watch for ODIN'S EYE.
How is anyone supposed to believe that an employee adding backdoors to CPUs knows that specific target surveillance happened? Did he think of that at all when he made up his story?

>>59552523
You'd be surprised.
The ME contains a fucking JVM. I kid you not.

>>59553455

You're right.
He can only know for sure something about the surveillance capabilities, not about specific targets.

What rms rms think of closed firmwares on his notebook? C2D not affected by this shit with librewhatever, so OP missed this.

>>59553449
Anything related to Cisco. I'm not sure which brands and models are affected.

This fucking pathetic defense of Intel and IC pillaging and raping freedom and privacy

This "BUT LOL WE KNEW ABOUT IT LOL WHO CARES" is fucking saddening.

What matters is that its now CONFIRMED. What also matters is how little anyone cares.

>>59553468

Whut? That seems very bloated for its purposes.
Can you give a source?

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>>59553482
If Cisco is already compromised, why do they have to steal the devices in transit and physically install shit?

>>59553499
Here, https://libreboot.org/faq.html#intelme
Good read too.

How would one get round this?

Eventually it's going to be hell avoiding fiding a functional device without one of these chips. How do you work towards removing/blocking such a problem?

>>59553021
>If you trust the rest of the processor, then you can buy a Phenom II (1090t and 1100t are still good for most things besides 4k gaymen) as those were the last processors released without a publicly announced backdoor.

Phenom II X6 1055T here.

Feels good.

>>59553570
You form a company that makes CPUs and electric parts without hw. backdoors.

lol good luck lmao

>>59553570
What makes you think they will stop and are not currently comprimising current and future products on AMD/Intel etc. pipeline?

If you want to be safe DIY everything.

>>59553494
I don't really care if its my own government doing the spying.
I don't really support it, but I can see a potential need for it.
Microsoft can fuck off though.

>>59553521

They compromise at multiple levels.
They don't want to show their hand by using the the god mode hack on lowly targets.
Some methods are just way less time consuming, more effective, and better to automate, so they prefer to use those.
Also not all agencies have access to all the exploits. The NSA isn't giving their best stuff to the FBI etc.

>>59553590
You don't care if your own Intelligence Community is risking every electrical hardware in your country just to spy on YOU - not in order to stop crime, not in order to even prevent crime - but just to collect information for future use without any democractic responsibility?

What the fuck is wrong with you Americans?

>>59553584
Fugg

>>59553586
That's exactly what they think. It stands to reason that every chip from now on will have these backdoors. I'm wondering if there would be a way to hack this functionality out of the chips.

>>59553590
They're not doing a very good job stopping terrorists, though. They're probably just going to discretely sell bulk info to advertisers.

>>59553521
Because only a handful of people has the instructions for backdoors. Read this >>59553430 , there was an auction selling them and someone bought it. I really doubt they'd give it away to everyone else. But from what I remember those were NSA exploits, stolen from NSA. Others have to rely on different exploits. Also this >>59553592. Government agencies rarely work together in America, they're competing against eachother and the "better" one gets more government funds. So each has it's own methods of espionage.

>>59553584

And you think the government would permit a significant CPU manufacturer not to include backdoors? If you as a CEO of said manufacturer don't cooperate you will either get suicided very quickly of you'll find yourseld in jail for rape and/or pedophilia.

So is this baked into every chip by default or it one of those special firmwares or additional chips that the CIA Have to intercept shipments to add on?

Most of this CIA stuff seems to requires hardware access and is so time consuming to facilitate that it can never been done at a blanket level, requiring people to be targeted.

>>59553635

Baked into every chip by default, along with a wireless modem. No need for physical hardware access.

>>59553635
baked in (not always in the CPU though), sold as a feature for remote management

>>59553610
Well now that this has been leaked they will develop new and or improve current unknown methods of compromising system.
You will never be safe

>>59553654
WHY ISNT THIS FUCKING SUPER MASSIVE NEWS

WHY ISNT INTELS STOCK GOING DOWN TO THE SHITTER

WHY DOES NOBODY CARE

IS THIS EVEN A WORLD
COMROMISED OF HUMANS
OR SOMETHTING ELSE

>>59553666
But it can become an arms race like every other security related subject. I wonder if there is someone out there with the goods to start blocking this shit.

Surely if you can remove it from the chip you currently own, it's not easy for them to reactivate?

>>59553688
You can't remove it without breaking the actual chip, is my guess.

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>>59553667
I wonder the ethnicity of those in media and intel is...

>>59553654

In 10 years most people will voluntarily have a chip implanted in their head, which is of course close sourced with backdoors. It's so convenient to have notifications of your Instagram likes streamed directly into your mind!

>>59553609
I dunno man. Maybe I'm just desensitized to it.
The government spying on everyone has been a thing that's been talked about since I was born.

The spying itself I don't care about, but the potential to have the hardware compromised by other sources is a pretty big issue.

>>59553667
>all caps

At least try to be inconspicuous, samefag.

>>59553667
Hey pal, if you are an American here is some more comforting news, Senate passed a bill that effectively ends FCC privacy rules for ISP.

>>59551565

>buy raspberry pi
>install tails
>programm whitelist at sockets, so everynew IP must get confirmed by myself
>workstation in Faraday shield
>delete SystemD, install initng
>everything is encoded, using rubberhose encryption
>panic button (hardwired to thermal lance on motherboard)

come at me..

>>59553778
>Data is sent before your whitelist is active
>NSA's sekrit algorithm dynamically changes your whitelist program to allow their spying through

NICE

>>59553455
When you're trying to sell bullshit you assume people wont believe it unless there's another little lie in there to hook them.

>>59553041
You fucking retard, not every packet inspector has to be located on the physical host it's inspecting.

>>59553778
>>delete SystemD, install initng

Using Linux. It's like you're not even trying.

>>59551668
Is not a x86 clone, is actually a SPARC clone.
The Elbrus manufacture's name is MCST which translated is: Moscow Center of SPARC Technologies.
It uses a proprietary architecture (based on SPARC), and some processor can _emulate_ x86 instructions.
Company's website if anyone is interested:
http://www.mcst.ru/

Has there been anything about SystemD in the Wikileaks?

>>59553778
That is so fucking unsecured:
>get a bunch of old trusted electronics, like Gameboys and shit
>design ethernet interfaces for it
>have them dump and display the actual traffic on your cable

Maybe that way you can trust it to some extent.

We've long known hardware to be untrustable, based on the very fact that you never inspect that shit with a microscope. Unless we revert back to analog and mechanical devices, there's no way we'll trust electronics ever again.

>>59553933
The only trustworthy thing is to use old hardware that is too rudimentary to have such features. Things like old 8bit and early-16bit machines with old dial-up modems used to send encrypted data through the phone line to a trusted recipient.

And I hate how much of a retard I sound like for saying that.

>>59553980
Why not OTP's and dead drops?

>>59553933

Implying Gameboys can be trusted. They were part of a Japanese effort to demoralise the American youth.

You'll need pre silicon chip era hardware to be safe.

>>59553021
bulldozer fx8350 doesnt?

>>59553667
They managed to convince people it's for their own safety, and that if you don't want to be spied on then you have something to hide.
And normal people don't understand what is a security vulnerability or how computers work, so they don't care.
If they cared, then facebook wouldn't be a thing

>>59554113
Normal people should still understand the implication of what no privacy means. In any context. They don't.

i say public education has made people fucking brainded

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>>59553992
Just think about how hard and unpractical it would be to use for the most evident and simple communication, on top of having to set up and organize the whole thing. Replacing the daily average text-only activity of a board like /g/ would take forever. It can work for peer-to-peer commmunication, it doesn't for a forum/board system. And for peer-to-peer communication, you may as well meet up in a bar. With a dead drop, you'll get easily spotted checking it anyway.

All in all, you're better off with radioham, and THAT is really the final frontier: pure analog signal, easily checked with an oscilloscope you can trust, can be done with passive components only. And even with radioham, we're kinda back to stone age, because there's not even a safe replacement to BBS right now, aside from maybe crude radioham BBS.

>>59553996
I hope you're kidding. It's only a problem of size really, I wouldn't trust any pre-silicon electronics just because there's no silicon. What's important is that it can be audited with a microscope, it's only an issue when shit gets too small. And even then, you could easily hide a GPS tracking chip inside a passive resistance as of today.

>>59551565
shit made up to rally trump faggots, why else would you mention the geezer in a snowdenish leak

>>59554092
I was wrong, those early bulldozers were fine. The APUs were fucked though.

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>>59554172
Packet radio is cool and all, but there is literally no one who has a modem to even think about connecting to a bbs.

Congratulations nu-/g/
You never cease to amaze me on your idiocy

The proofs were given to us long time ago, yet you people refuse to grasp the simplest concepts

At least you people will still enjoy your consumer whoring generals and shallow software wars while remaining complacient

Unfuckingbelievable

>>59554272
Still waiting for those proofs showing ME backdoor communicating. It's working over ethernet you know, it could easily be sniffed if it rally called home somewhere.

>muh LTE transceiver in every motherboard
oh right, kek, fags actulyl believed that

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>>59553583
Now im actually glad i didnt upgrade yet.

>>59552487
In case people actually don't know, a pretty large portion of high end routers and switches (the kind that run in datacenters and backbones) do run on Intel hardware. Management is often done on Atom processors and Fulcrum (now owned by Intel) is growing as a switch ASIC provider.

/pol/ is obviously role playing again, but there's also some truth behind it. Those CPU with these engines exist since some years. Don't buy a post 2008 CPU and you're safe. https://libreboot.org/faq.html#intel
https://libreboot.org/faq.html#amd
https://libreboot.org/faq.html#microcode

>Post Stallman's face when he reads this.

>I use a Thinkpad X60 computer, in which the FSF installed a free initialization program (libreboot) and a free operating system (Trisquel GNU/Linux.) - https://stallman.org/

OP is a janitor at Intel and probably 4chan as well.

>>59554211
8350 wasn't a bulldozer. 8150 was bulldozer.

>>59554467
Piledriver, screwdriver, bendover, whatever, but the 8350 doesn't have PSP.

>>59551565

Intel has over 100k employees ... add retention, fluctiation that is a lot of people who can have a statement like that

its no proof at all. Its just some intern fag autist who never got a job offer and is now shit posting.

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>>59551877
yes yes good goy, install the FSB backdoor, it's much better than having a CIA one, don't worry

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>>59553667
Hopeless.

Most of the population has been indoctrinated into not caring whatsoever.

The rest of us have no fucking idea how to help or fix any of this, and that won't change until they go too far...I think if the internet remains tho we're okay. They'll try to destroy it, which is completely impractical, so they'll overtake it instead. Facebook is currently around 26% of all internet traffic.

Facebook is 26% of worldwide internet traffic.

Facebook.

26%

>1/4

of world internet traffic

fuck do you even do about that

>>59554240
>He doesn't know to implement packet radio in C

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>>59551565
This would be his face, because like everyone else who doesn't browse /pol/, he already suspected it.

>>59554556
And if they weren't, "indoctrinated," you still think they'd care?

The most they'd care about is making sure not to upload personal details including IRL photos.

>>59554569
If everyone uses different protocols / modems no one will use them

>>59552743
underrated

>>59553021
Where do I check these "features"? Will /proc/cpuinfo report them?

>>59551565
This thread was hijacked off 8ch. Man /pol/ is full of newfags.

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>>59554240
It's weird looking at that setup, and thinking "yup, that's secure!"

Still, there are a couple ham bbs operational, pic related shows all BBS in France. I guess it's now up to us now to make it more popular and unified. Their popularity is already soaring, mainly because of "prepping" being now an ordinary hobby, but then they're very limited, excessive traffic quickly becomes an issue, and has been in the past, and looking at the protocols, they appear bloated as fuck. On top of that, most people run webpages and shit, when basic threaded ASCII communication is a lot already.

There'd be a lot of work for proper ham bbs, and while many /g/ users criticize Facebook users for refusing to see the truth and oppose this bullshit, they would themselves hardly go from 4chan on Firefox to a ham shack.

>>59551565
why should I care if governments CAN spy on me?

why WOULD they?

>>59551951
What about leaving your orwellian country before it's too late?
There are plenty of places in the world where life is good and the government is not paranoid like a fat insecure teenage girlfriend.

I wonder if those Intel embedded spying computers calls home, wouldn't it need a firmware to talk to the network interface? If I had an Intel processor in any pc here, I would use a raspberry pi to monitor the traffic between it and my router just to see if I can catch anything odd.
If it doesn't call home at all, then it could be something used only in specific targets or it could mean that anon's spyware claim is false. If it does call home then it would be really easy to confirm its existence, no?

>>59553455
This. I can't believe how gullible /pol/ is as long as it supports their view.

Is this a tech board or what?

This has been KNOWN for years, it's actually something you as a sysadmin can use when you purchase the software from Intel.

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>>59551565
Proof? All I see is topkek bait.
Also, it's well known what ME does.

>>59555654
They don't know today what might interest them tomorrow. So they just collect it all. Meaning we now live in the age of mass surveillance, that was the whole point of the Snowden leaks.

I assume you weren't paying attention?

>>59553708
>nvenient to have notifications of your Instagram likes streamed directly into your mind!
and for a little extra a month you can get rid of those annoying ads that keep popping up at the bottom of your vision

I don't get why the fuss
Just don't use Intel CPUs with vpro isn't that hard right? You need vpro to enable me

>>59555897
>I have no clue what I'm talking about
>>59555794
>Is this a tech board
It's not

>>59555803
>Also, it's well known what ME does.
Proof?

>>59554453
>/pol/ is role playing
Kill yourself you limp wrist beta faggot, /pol/ is alpha as fuck.

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>>59551565
>we can activate the webcam and mic even when the computer appears to be off or sleeping

For a forum full of people who think themselves to be computer experts, /g/ sure is full of a bunch of tech-illiterate, gullible retards

>>59555623
Im sure if there was a kickstarter for a battery powered modem with bluetooth/usb with an easy interface for those cheap baofeng radios it would sell like crazy.

It would be amazing, and people will be more likely to get into the ham radio culture more.


I need to get my permit, but I dont think anyone runs packet radio in Australia. And if they did, parts are not cheap here.

>>59556101
https://wikileaks.org/ciav7p1/cms/page_12353643.html

>>59551565
Is this bait? Sounds like a bunch of tinfoil hat bullshit

>>59554453
>post 2008 CPU
you mean shitty CPU
how would you do that

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>>59551565
Can I write cheating software to use on this thing?

>>59555961
You are a kind of special retard? You need vpro to use oob adminstration.
If it allow special backdoor access I dunno, but you actually need this shit to enable me.

>>59552938
Compare the diagrams/whitepapers to the hardware. If everything is accounted for, you can be reasonably sure it's safe. This means literally everything though. You have to know what each component is, and any extra chips on the board need to also have open papers. E.g. if you have a mini-computer Raspberry pi thing you need papers on the Pi itself, the network controller, the USB controller, the CPU/SoC and all its internal components, etc. Right down to every surface-mounted capacitor and other doodad.

>>59556320
And that's where it becomes impossible. You have to go through millions of lines of code yourself and understand what it does. You have to do this with all the software, firmware, etc.

Then there's hardware, which in most case you can't even check yourself probably.

>FSF
here we go again
http://www.pcworld.com/article/2879086/the-free-software-foundation-loves-this-laptop-but-you-wont.html

So how do you disable this? Do you have to destroy that ME chip or whatever with a screwdriver?

>>59556392
didn't read it
https://hardenedlinux.github.io/firmware/2016/11/17/neutralize_ME_firmware_on_sandybridge_and_ivybridge.html

>>59556357
It's very difficult, yes, but the nice thing is that this can be a distributed effort. There's no way a company could meet demand by compromising each individual unit of a product differently, so for mass-produced hardware, you can be reasonably certain if you get together and collectively verify all the bits of one, that the rest are probably safe (so long as you're not a very important individual who it would be worthwhile to intercept your tech purchases and compromise separately).

Unfortunately getting that many people together to work towards a common goal is only ever easy if most people give enough of a damn, and unfortunately they don't.

>>59551565
I know that I shouldn't believe this guy because who decides to confirm a leak on 4chan on /pol/ out of all places, but on the other hand it does go along with all of my biases and other things that I heard so I do choose to believe it. Good thing I have AMD™ in my desktop.

>>59556462
See
>>59552882

>>59556462
RTFM ... I mean thread

>>59556413
its bullshit
there is no true workaround because the ME firmware is signed and would reboot the hardware if it didn't detect in on newer CPU versions (post 2008 I believe)

>>59556583
If you are talking about "reboot after 30 mins" it's have been somewhat defeated recently with some python script - https://github.com/corna/me_cleaner
It's not full cleaner, off course, but it is something.
>>59556462
PSP is a thing, you know - https://blog.invisiblethings.org/papers/2015/x86_harmful.pdf

>>59553851
>SPARC
Even better desu.

According to Libreboot, it looks like the best processor you can buy that doesn't contain any built-in backdoors is the AMD FX-1850.

>intel cucks btfo again
lol

Can someone explain to me why this wasn't suspected from the start? Why the fuck would you need a protected and encrypted separate "CPU" that has full control whenever it wants.

The fuck is a management engine for?

>>59551648
Yes
http://www.mycpu.eu/

>>59556935
> Can someone explain to me why this wasn't suspected from the start?
It was, doesn't change fact about me capabilities.
> Why the fuck would you need a protected and encrypted separate "CPU" that has full control whenever it wants.
reasons.

>>59555654
Mang you ever read 1984
How dense can you be

>>59556935
Businesses can control (boot, shutdown and manage) computers from the network.

>>59552445

How are you sure that the FX-8350 doesn't contain PSP? I can't find any information online.

How am I affected by all the tracking and data-mining stuff when I'm outside the US/UK and not in a major city? (i.e. density of surveillance cameras/microphones etc is much lower)
Obviously besides what happens when I use Jewgle, Kikebook, Microsoft and Apple services. (Which I almost don't use anymore)

>>59551648
ARM based systems don't seem to have any sort of management engine

>>59551565
>polack gets hired as a janitor by intel and decides to stir up controversy

>>59557254
>he really believes that
Do you know what a baseband is?

>>59557254
Sure they do.
http://www.arm.com/products/security-on-arm/trustzone

>>59557292
I suspected they'd use it on the A and M series but most of them? wow we getting cucked.

>>59552743
fugg

>>59551565
>believes the fake news that Trump was "spied on"
>trusted by Intel
I hope you faggots don't fall for this elaborate shilling attempt by AMD and Russia.

>>59551739
your only argument is "if you have nothing to hide then you have nothing to fear"

therefore, argument discarded

>>59551565
Do first gen i7 processors have the Intel AMT included? The 920 for instance...

>>59556935
feature bloating to insert malicious function

this is ubiquitous in tech nowadays

>>59557452
Only if you have vpro.
Also for amt to work you need Intel Ethernet it don't work with other like killer shit.
If you don't believe try to manage it.

>>59551565


I don't understand faggots that complain they're "bored with their job".

It's a fucking job, it pays the bills. Do it, and do it well to secure your fucking finances.

If you're "bored", then work your day job (for financial security), and start a project you like on the side, after hours, to see if you can turn it into something lucrative.

The last thing you should do, is fuck with stable employment, especially if its something you can't fuck up.

People have such a crutch on relying on others for employment, rather than trying to start their own business.

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>>59551565

Is a shooped copy of a W-2 suppose to convince their post is real?

Then again, if Obama can convince everyone he was a legit born american citizen with a duped birth certificate, then anything is possible.

>>59557527
It also works with intel wifi aka every centrino/vpro laptop

So are we all fucked and should hide in the forest? :^)

>>59554489
Is that actually true? Fucking based
Does Ryzen have PSP?

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>>59556961
This is amazing but is it libre?

>>59558055
Yeah, you can get the instructions and source code from the site

So what the fuck do I do, then?

Using outdated hardware isn't a long term solution. Becoming a techno-luddite will only serve to remove you as a relevant actor on a long enough timeline.

Do I need to literally a switch to physically disconnect my modem from the network, and any device capable of wireless communication in any form from line power? This would let me "airgap" my whole household network, but only when I'm not using it. When I needed to turn on and connect, I would be just as compromised as ever.

I don't have the time or skills to build a computer capable of anything like even 20 year old hardware from scratch, and really none of you do either, so what's the path forward here?

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Wasn't there a thing a while back that overwrote the beginning of the ME code rendering it useless?

>>59551565
Trump famously doesn't use computers, so this is fakenews.

>>59558101
Sett, lets meme this into something useful.

Can someone explain >>59552455?
I was wondering the same thing.

As >>59553812 said you should see this on an external packet inspector, right?

Also a 'request -> response' system shouldn't be possible either due to your routers firewall
>implying routers aren't backdoored

>>59558336
Odds are that it isn't used basically ever for most people

>>59558209
Found it
https://github.com/corna/me_cleaner
this thread is full of idiots, confirmed

>>59555204
I forget exactly what it's called, but it'll show up on the PCI bus. Something with "management" in the name, I'd expect. Not sure how to check AMD's PSP.

>>59551565
>It also runs when the computer is hibernating
this suggest that the botnet is still running consuming zero power while my i7 chinkpad is unplugged and with battery removed. This suggests that it draws power from the only present voltage source - the BIOS battery, which lasts for years. Whoever wrote this is a hack, whoever believes it is a sheep in a tinfoil hat.

>>59558572
That was my thought as well.
If it was using the BIOS battery, that battery would need replacing far more often.

Ive unplugged my PC after every use for like 6 years now and still have the same bios battery.

>>59558572
>>59558828
They phrased it like that because nobody but you unplugs and removes the battery, so for everybody else, it remains powered and functional in S4.

>>59558469
That only works for some hardware, and doesn't fully disable it. It only strips functionality out of it so that it can't access the network or communicate with the OS (assuming the code that's left can't do that, which nobody can prove at the moment).

>>59558572
Hibernating does not mean powered off
It means the windows hibernation state, which it goes to automatically in "shut down" in Windows 10 unless manually disabled

Saying that ME runs in hibernation does not mean that it runs when your laptop is unplugged with the battery removed. It means it doesn't even work when you disable fast startup and hibernate and power off. It means it doesn't work when network boot is disabled and you power off from linux. Etc.

>>59558883
I don't remove the bios battery after use.
My water blocked GPU is blocking it.

I was saying if this Intel ME was using my bios battery, that batt would have gone bad by now

>>59558987
It'd obviously only be used when you're being actively observed, and I doubt they'd use it for a whole lot of people.

>>59558883
>That only works for some hardware
Because it's untested.
>and doesn't fully disable it.
If it can't do anything then that's just semantics.
>assuming the code that's left can't do that, which nobody can prove at the moment
which is shitty, but that will always be true of closed source stuff. The articles I've read on the tests that have been run show that it's been disabled. Anything else would be a separate backdoor.

>>59551739
>china
>computers but no wealth
Literally owns your shitty failing country soon.

>>59559016
I make a lot of military hardware thought.
Primarily for the f22 raptor and f35a

You would think I would be on some list somewhere.

>>59559075
Reasonable assumption. Maybe nobody needs to use that, because there are easier means to observe you.

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>>59559132
>because there are easier means to observe you
Take that back

>>59551739
Yah those anime users will get what's coming

>>59559075
>Primarily for the f22 raptor and f35a
I think u broke a rule be wary of plumbers.

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>>59551565

>>59559179
I can state what parts I make, as it's public knowledge.
Now if I started telling everyone how thick the stealth coatings are, I'd end up in jail.

>>59556320
>>59556460
>distributed effort
okay
but how to you check a hardware anyway?
a CPU for example

perhaps a primitive 3d printer could manufacture an advanced 3d printer that prints primitive silicon waffers, they you can feed it a verified open spec for 100MHz x86 CPU

>>59559775
CPUs are probably too complex these days, but there are some relatively simple ICs that you can check with e.g. a microscope.

>>59552586
>made networking devices with custom ASIC
If you didn't craft the chip in house then it's been backdoored.

>>59552722
Correct. Today your average moron doesn't care about their own privacy.

>>59558572
>>59558828
>>59558987
>This suggests ... BIOS battery,
no it doesnt, any half brained g/tleman ubderstood its meant for laptops main batteries, most leave it connected.

how fucking dense...

>>59559981
but what if the house has a backdoor :o
>also your ass has one where nsa stalks you

Can we open the CPU and just remove this 'ME"?

>>59551565
He should have posted earnings (without cents) so we'd be able to tell if he had an engineering role or not (like he claimed)

>>59553226
>stage it as a suicide
>>59553226
>authoritarian regime does
that anons depiction is not a black and white dictatorship, more like an insidious control of an otherwise democratic/socialist society.

physical authoritarians can only suicide you after youve shown your face on the streets denouncing wrongs

orwelian bigbrothers would get alerted en masse of individuals gathering information that they "dont need to know" and mass stop them in a more centralized way by using security forces that genuinely think they are working for the betterment of a just society.. instead of needing facism-brainwashed minions or similar.

>>59560180
You can't, it shuts down after 30 minutes if a signature from the ME is not detected.

>>59560212
Fake news, it depends on the hardware

>>59553057
/pol/ told me degenerates get what they deserve

>>59551587
>>59551565
uhh no it hasn't
we've had proof for years and we're able to disable it in some processors.. it's a known fact around here
fuck off to your other board

>>59559044
>If it can't do anything then that's just semantics.
The point is that you don't know that it can't do anything. It PROBABLY renders it useless, but without knowing what's in the remaining code you can't be sure.

>>59560230
>depends on the hardware
If by depends on the hardware, you mean anything newer than GM45 (~2008), then yeah.

>>59560246
normal people can access ME, you know. it's there to be used by businesses through vPro. it's not hard to test.

>>59560278
baka desu senpai
>>59558469

>>59551587
And this is proof?
A fucking role player on the board which was bamboozled by a blatant Trump shill campaign.

>>59560287
See the reply to the second post you linked.

>>59560280
I don't know what you're trying to tell me. To be clear, I was arguing that the management engine cannot be completely disabled on anything newer than the GM45. It can be crippled by the ME_Cleaner script, but I contend that it is still not the same, as some of the code is left intact and the ME is still running.

>>59560559
if a business can't access crippled ME, there's no reason to think that a three-letter agency can. It's semantics.

>>59560622
Respectfully, I strongly disagree.
What makes you think that they tell the business about the features that can be used as a backdoor? How do you know they didn't implement a feature where if it is sent a particular sequence of bytes, a whole new interface for controlling the PC opens?

Just because they don't advertise that it can do something, doesn't mean that it cannot do anything else.

>>59551565
And yet every time a three letter agency gets it's guts spilled (Snowden and Vault7 mainly), there isn't any mention of a backdoor and a lot of effort going into development of other more conventional exploits, suggesting they don't have the master key that access to the Intel ME would be. This is total bullshit.

Yes the ME is a serious concern, but there is absolutely no reason to believe the implementation in current generation processors contains a backdoor.

>neo/g/ and /pol/ (one and the same) don't know already what the ME is and are easily impressed by some intern at Intel showing off his w2
Further proof that these niggers need to be banned.
>already at the bump limit
Fucking Christ.

>>59560671
the whole point is that it's a backdoor for businesses. three-letter agencies just have the master key. they wouldn't hold back useful and marketable features from their customers, especially one that would be as resource-intensive to produce as what you describe.
It's really verging on paranoia.

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is AMD compromised too?

>>59560740
AMD CPUs 2013 and newer have a similar system (in function, not implementation) called the AMD PSP (Platform Security Processor). Again it should be noted that there is absolutely no reason to believe either implementation contains a backdoor for intelligence services, as concerning as their existence and closed nature is.

>>59560759
that name sounds more like TPM, which is a separate feature from ME.

>>59560765
As I understand it, it also fulfills that functionality, but also has all the problems that the ME has, i.e.
>non-replaceable binary blob firmware
>system will not boot if that firmware is removed
>has access to the entire system
>totally inaccessible to the "main" CPU

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>>59553254
wrong

theres the burden of proof alright, but if a christfag tells you there could be a god and if you dont pray you will burn in hell, thats a possibility, but theres still no clues suggesting theres any divine bean.

when a tinfoilfag tells you there could be backdoors on closed source software/hardware, its an objective and trivial knowledge. then the tinfoilman tells you your modern intel hardware has backdoors, its a farfetched claim, but oh shit, its demonstrable that they have the capability and experience with it, at least one case of use is real and is currently adopted by corporations in their own computers, the tinfoilers arent claiming some reversal burdene of proof that you cant prove that youre not being watched, but just raising awareness to the FACT that if its not an open spec silicon and if it happens to be backdoored, its difficult or impossible to find.

here incase you didnt read the thread

https://software.intel.com/en-us/blogs/2011/12/14/intelr-amt-and-the-intelr-me
https://software.intel.com/en-us/articles/intel-vpro-technology-faq

https://windowsmasher.wordpress.com/2013/10/06/intel-vpro-configuration-part-7-provisioning-your-first-system/

https://hardenedlinux.github.io/firmware/2016/11/17/neutralize_ME_firmware_on_sandybridge_and_ivybridge.html


better luck next time CIAnigger

>>59560813
if it's inaccessible to the main CPU, how can it interact to get the encryption keys to pass back and forth? that's what I understand TPM to do.

>>59560861
I meant that the main CPU can't examine it's execution, not that they literally can't communicate.
I would imagine there are some instructions used to be communicate with it for that purpose but I honestly don't know, that goes beyond my knowledge of the subject.

>>59551993
>that sjw faggot show
Back to tumblr nigger

>>59560458
See, he was told that. Just like Trump. It's enough if someone tells you. Or you read it, somewhere.

>>59551648
From intel anything from C2D and older.

The guys at Librem managed to cripple ME (remove all modules but the initialization one) on Intel CPUs and have them run past 30 minutes. Soon we'll be able to disable it.

>>59552579
Not talking running it ON the machine, just take a spare machine with two ethernet ports, bridged them, then monitored all data that went through, completely transparently.

>>59551565
I can't read these shitty screensohts on mu phone so fuck you