Where did UI design go so wrong?

>>59541822
back then computers didn't have a lot of processing power. so UI designers had to make due with what was available to them. That is why they were so shitty.

Minimalist ruining good UI to save 10px

Everything wrong with computers comes down to people asking whether or not they can do something rather than whether they should.

>>59541862
Funny how minimalist designs actually have a lot of useless padding.

>>59541822
Windows had the best font rendering even then, it seems.

>>59542143
That's because it's all in the kernel :^)

In your head

>>59542143
Except it never had.

It has excellent Mouse acceleration curves tho. The best.

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>>59541822
UI wise, NT4 was even better than windows 2000.

I quite liked Riscos 4 when I was at school. Looks a bit excessive now, though.

Did horizontal menus rape millennials or something? I genuinely don't understand why people want them gone.

>>59542570
They are used to phones, so they want bring phone UI aspects to desktops.

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>>59541822
Flat UI happened.

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>>59543231
Why it wasn't a problem in 80s?

>>59543398
Because the ancients were actually good at designing

>>59542505
Except it does, as evident by the OP pic.

Mobile + old people.

>>59542047
It's called 'white space' and the goal is to create a savannah effect that lowers unconscious stress levels.

>>59543623
Funny; for me, it increases my conscious stress levels because I have scroll 3x the amount I had to on the "old web", and have to stare at 45px sans-serif webfonts that take 3 seconds to load in.

>>59543658
kek

>>59543658
If you're talking about that whole "I see you have a wide monitor, but I'm going to capitalise on 1/3rd of the screen space in the middle to display content"-shit then I agree with you.

It's a lazy trick ORIGINALLY used before people clocked on to modern responsive UI techniques to basically make a webpage work no matter the monitor size, and I don't like it myself.

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>>59543722
Like if 4chan looked like that...

>>59543623
>savannah effect
never heard that term before

>>59543722
There is no reason to use the entire width of a widescreen monitor to display a single document aside from "muh scrolling" autism.

>>59543977
I like that. A more narrow page is more readable.

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>>59543977
kek kek

>>59541822
I feel like the only one who actually prefers unsmoothed fonts

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>>59544024
The hypothesis behind it is that humans, having evolved in the open plains of Africa, feel safe when there are wide, open spaces because it's much more difficult for something to sneak up and murder you in such a scenario.

This has translated into UI that attempts to flank the main point of focus (in this example; a tree), with wide open areas of little to nothing.
Some will even literally use an actual picture of something savannah-like.

>>59543398
>shading
>flat

ya na

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>>59541822
>Where did UI design go so wrong?
Pic related was the beginning of the end.

>>59544093
Well shit, maybe I should make a script / custom CSS...

I actually wish 4chan had a more readily accessible API like twitter so custom UI's would be easier to create.

That narrow design has its roots in UX-science, but i dunno, the whole 'bootstrap everything ever all the time' thing is starting to bore me.

>>59543231
>>59542678
These are the things that kills the UI

>>59542570
ribbons are better

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>>59544122
Shadeless enough now?

>>59544114
They look better on pixel-based screens.

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>>59544368
We have vector-based screens now?

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Graphics were a mistake.

>>59544366
I still see drop shadows...

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>>59544392
oh yeah, having to type in a bunch of arcane commands with who knows what flags and inputs are associated with what just to do simple shit like move files around how great

>>59544411
>tar --help

>>59544411
>arcane commands with who knows what flags and inputs

Or you could type in "help" or RTFM?

This shit is why graphics were a mistake.

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>>59544145
Not, this was

>>59544500
>Or you could type in "help" or RTFM?
or just drag 'n drop :P

>>59544544
man, how can something be so pretty and yet so ugly at the same time.

>>59544610
This
It looks so cool
But I can't love it

>>59544119
It also might just be the rule of 3rds

Following that rule the content should take up 60% of the screen

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>>59541822
I feel like you nostalgia fags havnt used macOS. it is the pinnacle of UI design, yesterdays and todays.

>>59544710
It looks as awful as modern UIs do.

>>59544710
No, W10 has a better UI.

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>>59544737

>>59544411
tar xzvf file wew that's hard I haven't even used linux in years

>>59541822
It didn't. It's much better than it used to be, almost monumentally better.

Is that picture supposed to be a rebuttal? That's the same thing that exists now, just more primitive.

If you have some kind of intelligent rebuttal for why UI design used to be better I'd be happy to hear it but there's a 99% likelihood this is just you being a hipster pseudo-intellect and thinking you're being profound for saying that old things are better when you're just biased for stupid reasons like nostalgia.

>>59544737
Imagine actually believing this.

>>59544119
Run into traffic and bring your friends

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Low risk material design. You'd think that with more pajeets on fiverr we would get something more halal, something ethnic with more depth than a wall of a single solid color.

At least give us postmaterial postCyberpunk ala Ghost in the Shell or Lain.

>>59543977
I keep clicking on that ad in the bottom right but it doesn't work. What do?

>>59544766
>>59544832

not an argument guys...

OSX is good, but it has a few critical flaws like Finder and the way minimized apps are handled with the dock

>>59544583
>:P
>drag and drop

Is bait also going down the path of UIs?

>>59544769
oops, you're dead

>>59544710
>>59544737
My workplace provides macs as the standard development machine.

I had never used a mac before, and I used to hate them because of the meme without really knowing what I was talking about. About a year of using a mac full-time really opened my eyes.

MacOS is literally the most stinking pile of shit that has ever been tried to get passed as a """"UI"""". The only reason I bear with it is because I can spend 99% of my time typing in my code editor and/or my terminal without interacting with the OS's UI.

For instance, I unironically do all my file management from the command line, just because it's so much easier and better than using that hellspawn that is the Finder.

>>59544908
>the way minimized apps are handled with the cock
this

Win/Aero (7,8,10) > Tiled layout with multi-desktop (i3, awesome) > OSX > linux compositing/stacking """"""""DE"""""""""s

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Seriously, tachikoma fonzi buddies when

>>59544908
There is no situation where a weird or questionable design choice on OSX means it's worse than Windows.

Windows' UI design is so bad in so many different ways on so many different levels that I can't justify it quickly. If OSX were 1/10th as shitty as Windows /g/ would be memeing it into oblivion.

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The only truth

>>59545140
>150 GHz
We are around 3 GHz for ten years now.

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>>59545140
>1TB of RAM
>2034

>>59545140
2001- 200MHz / 24Mb?

1GHz processors came out at the start of 2000. 2001 you could probably get a 1.4GHz athlon thunderbird. 128Mb was pretty standard at that time, too.

>>59545140
>2017
>8GB

Maybe like 4 years ago, but it's been a while since I've seen anything less than 16GB.

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>>59544737
>>59544710
there can be only one

>>59545171
when they run out of cores they'll have to replace the material with graphite or something like that which can be clocked to massive speeds

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>>59545347
>when they run out of cores

No, GPUs will completely replace CPUs by 2030

>>59544710
Something that doesn't really make sense to me in Mac is the way they put the menu of a program in the task bar. So the task bar changes depending on which program is selected. I feel the way windows does it is much more logical.

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>>59544908
we're talking strictly aesthetics here. OSX is objectively better than windows.

having an OS handle minimized apps differently isn't an argument either. and whats wrong with finder? its the best GUI based file manager available.

>>59544119
>The hypothesis behind it is that humans, having evolved in the open plains of Africa

I'm white, though

>>59545140
That the command line works on such a variation of hardware is why I'll always defend it as a viable alternative to graphical programs. Especially now that graphical software is getting more and more bloated and heavy.

>>59545533
are you saying that gui's don't work on a variety of hardware?

>>59545597
The exact same GUI? No. For example, a Windows 98 PC couldn't run modern software intended for a GUI, but it could run modern software intended for a TUI.

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>>59545510
>finder
>the best GUI managed available

>>59545510
>a file manager that isn't even better than dolphin

Damn son

>>59543231
Doesn't necessarily look bad if done right, modern day Flat UI is shit though

>>59545029
>My workplace provides macs as the standard development machine.

mine does too, but I still think W10 is better in the UI department

>>59545112
The fact that OSX needs to rely on multiple desktops is alone an example of how the UI design just does not work

>>59545510
>having an OS handle minimized apps differently isn't an argument either

Yes it is, it handles them terribly! Especially compared to the sensible way Windows has been doing it since 7

>>59545510
>unironically using tabs in a file browser
lol kys

>>59545917

I'm just happy that macOS doesn't exit a program entirely when you close the window. When will Windows be able to do this?

>>59545954
nothing wrong with this other than being different.

Windows also improved Expose into something actually useful that helps in this regard, too.

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>>59541822
>os 9

>>59545746
there is literally nothing that prevents windows 10 from running on a windows 98 era pc

>>59546023
uhhh

>>59544710
it is except on your computer because your setup is trash.

>>59546004

>nothing wrong with this other than being different.

Yeah there is something wrong with it. A program running shouldn't be dependent on a window being open. That's fucking dumb.

>>59546050
why

I blame pajeets

>>59541822
UI was straightforward and damn practical in these days, because of the limited resources.

Now everything has to look fancy and glossy, functionality comes later

>>59546069
>/pol/trash pipes up with a worthless comment

you would

""""User Experience""""

>>59546082
but the whole point of "flat" design is it removes extraneous details from the UI

>>59546086
t. Parjeet

>>59546086
t. Pajeet poo in loo

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>>59541822
Exactly when developers were no more designers.

>>59546107
>>59546113

shut up, /pol/

>>59546125
POO

>>59545917
different != terrible

normies, kids and old people

>>59546157
i know. having a separate icon for every minimized window isn't just different, it's terrible

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>>59544411
fucking installshield casuals

>>59546125
i'm not a white guilt commie though

>>59546178
lolwut? they minimize into the application icon which is literally the same as windows?

>>59546103
but they usually remove pertinent details as well, only leaving whitespace for no fucking reason

>>59546223
not by default, and if you do enable that it's kludgy as fuck compared to windows requiring you to right click on the icon. You also can't alt+tab cycle through minimized apps which is retarded.

>>59546172
More like companies trying to sell more software with the new fisher price/shiny/flat UI.

>>59546248
nah

>>59546271
yeah

>>59544710
Kek, that thing on right look like a big iphone screen

>>59542143
Mac has best font rendering now

>>59546253
>not by default
doesn't matter, option is given. also, I'm pretty sure thats the default behaviour since I have it so it doesn't go into the app icon (I like it that way)
>if you do enable that it's kludgy as fuck compared to windows requiring you to right click on the icon
false
>You also can't alt+tab cycle through minimized apps which is retarded.
no, its different. why would minimized apps be made available to cycle through if you've specially minimized them to put them away? use cmd+h if you want to cycle through 'unseen' apps.

anyway, this thread isn't even about functionality, its about aesthetics. but even regardless of that, the points you make are really shitty and not significant.

>>59546364
>doesn't matter, option is given
And it's still poorly implemented

>false
true actually, except clicking the icon unminimizes the last minimized window and that's it. There's nothing like peek which makes it work on windows

>cmd+h
doesn't that hide windows? The problem with the way minimize is implemented in OSX is that you're basically encourages to keep everything unminimized at all times to the point that you need to start separating your windows across multiple desktops which is an annoying extra level of management that you really shouldn't need.

>isn't about functionality, but aesthetics
cool, W10 still wins in that regard, but it is subjective

>>59546364
and why would i minimize a window to put it away when I can just close it instead? Having close and
minimize the way OSX implements it is redundant

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>>59546459
>cool, W10 still wins in that regard
>an OS infested with ads from the start menu to the home screen to the file manager wins in that regard

>>59546612
that isn't aesthetics, and can be disabled anyway lol

>>59546620
of course its aesthetics, do you think I want to look at ads? and by 'disabled' you mean reenabled with the next update

unless you edit registry strings or run some third party program or some shit which again just speaks volumes to how utter dogshit windows is

>>59546459
>basically encourages to keep everything unminimized at all times to the point that you need to start separating your windows across multiple desktops
this is great tho, once you've got it figured out (as in you've got every application locked to the right desktop and are used to where they are)

>your windows across multiple desktops which is an annoying extra level of management that you really shouldn't need.
eh, I guess it isn't _needed_ but I find it a very efficient way of building a workflow. I even do it on GNU/Linux now that I don't use OS X anymore

>>59544769
The funny thing is that now days it's sufficient to use

tar -xf $FILE

and tar will handle it.

>>59545954
"closing the window" in osx is the same as minimizing in windows

>>59546651
>tfw to intelligent to configure windows

>>59546752
no it isn't

>>59546780
>2015/12/02
i want modern screenfetches

>>59544670
or the converse

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>>59544119
>humans, having evolved in the open plains of Africa

>>59541861
>make due
Make do
http://dictionary.cambridge.org/dictionary/english/make-do

>>59543398
Best UI ever.

>>59547364
>create perform

>>59546780
this is cute how is such a thing accomplished? the lower left screenfetch is really cool

>>59545029
I agree 100%, it really has an inefficient UI.

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>>59543977
post theme faggot.

>>59545917
There is an option to minimize apps to their icon instead of off to the side, which is exactly how Windows functions.

>>59545917
the superbar was a terrible attempt to emulate a terrible idea (dock)

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>>59546780
every time I see this it makes me wish I could run CDE on arch properly.
Looks so comfy.

Why don't you guys use your sweet programming skills to update these operating systems and make them usable again?

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>>59549718
>implying anyone on this board has any programming skill

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>le epic google flat interface guise xD
Web 3.0 was a mistake

>>59549718
Because we are a minority and would be papercut to death by swarms of trendy UX faggots.

>>59549697

Why can't you?

Zune is still the most aesthetic implementation of flat.

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>>59549948
pic

>>59549931
only runs properly on 32-bit afaik.

>>59548638
>which is exactly how Windows functions.

except not really and actually worse

>>59548697
nope, superbar is the best of the old taskbar and the dock, essentially fixing the one main thing wrong with it in OSX

>>59550113
it's literally fat just so that your fat fingers can hit the buttons on a tablet, same with the swipe jumplists

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>>59550162
???????

Back in the 90s, computers were still perceived as primarily productivity machines, and their UI design was based on pure practicality. In the early 2000s, that changed, and computers became "lifestyle" devices, which meant that they had to follow all the latest design trends.

Have you ever noticed how professional AV equipment looks almost exactly the same today as it did 25 years ago? It's all grey boxes, just like 90s computer UI. Grey boxes is the most practical style.

>>59545519
>being dravidian and a genuine albinistic mutation of the human race equivalent to cancer
Sucks to suck

>>59550321
white genes are the least mutated

>>59545325
Is that native 8.1? Haven't used it in ages, looks pretty good

>>59543722
>1/3 of the screen space
This is your fault for not using a tiling WM / not laying out your stacking WMs efficiently. It's objectively more clear to read tall text than wide text.

>>59545289
That's because you don't go outside, faggot.

>>59545171
>>59545173
>>59545240
>>59545289
You didn't get the message idiots, it's about the command line will ever be better than any GUI.

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>>59541822
Design aside, what does that "Poor man" application do?

>>59546050
You don't need a window open to run a program in windows. The program can be running as a background service or as a task in the task tray.

>>59552410
It's a web server.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/PoorMan

>>59549831
Do it for the people

>>59543398
should look up the "roundrects" shennanigans.

>>59546125
poo confirmed

>>59552430
>The program can be running as a background service or as a task in the task tray.
Oh, you mean just like OSX?

>>59549697
Yet you run some mememterial design

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>>59544145
It's worse when you see how fucking based Watercolor was and realize it was scrapped in favor of Luna.

>>59554028
I remember this WindowBlinds theme

>>59554478
It was part of XP's prototype, (Windows Whistler,) first.

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>>59541822
Nowhere

>>59554508
>gnome
>flat
>great
/0

>>59554508
god that's awful

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ultimately teh best UI

>>59550321
...at not inventing everything??

>>59543435
How is it to be legally blind?

>>59541822
Only those with assburgers care about UI

Is Windows 2000 useable today? Might install it on my C2D laptop instead of gentoo meme

>>59541822
Win98/2000 look comfy as fuck. I want these back.

>>59554776
It wasn't very usable even back in 2000s. I remember having troubles with both hardware and software.

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the pinnacle of UI design and usability
colors arent even needed!

>>59544475
Nice

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>>59543623
I get stressed using material shit. There's no consistency and you can never tell the difference between a label and a clickable element (otherwise known as A Button). You can never tell the bounds of a clickable element too, because borders are, like, so uncool.

>>59544119
>having evolved in the open plains of Africa
pfff

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>>59542506
Britfag 90s kid by any chance?

>>59541822
>linux autists think that OP's pic rel looks good

and this is why the UI/UX of linux sucks. because of people like you.

>>59541822
I bought a Macbook Air not to long ago.

First Mac product I've ever owned but my first PC was actually a Macintosh running System 7.

Anyway to get that cozy feel?

>>59554967
This UI defined 90s style

>>59555121
I use MS Windows :^)

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>>59554714
yes! YES!

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>>59555115
>>59542506
RISC OS Open is pretty comfy on the Pi and other SBCs.

>>59551893
it's an aero skin for it

I think it's a natural evolution for aero, and I'd honestly prefer if they'd kept that direction

>>59552367
a comic coming from such a fucking noob it's you who didn't get our point

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sometimes I question whether I have brain damage but then I just look at gnome 3 and gtk3 and decide I am better off after all

>>59545519
>>59547224
>>59555094
How adorable, /pol/ doesn't wanna accept this.

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>>59556501
>everyone I don't like is /pol/
How adorable

>>59556501
>the oldest fossil of an anatomically modern human was found in ethiopia, and evolutionary fossils have been found all over the the african and eurasian landmasses from the UK to china, therefore out-of-africa is ironclad fact
Science!

>>59544119
>having evolved in the open plains of Africa
Except for Europeans and Asians. What, do you think they tripped on the way out of Africa and set the evolution switch to "off"?

>>59556696
>evolutionary fossils

>>59549948
>>59549960
I still use my Zune HD my parents bought for me in high school. One of the best gifts I've ever received. No bullshit.

>>59554028
Looks like Windows XP for grownups. Fuck Luna.

>>59557028
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_human_evolution_fossils

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>>59557074
Royale is where its at.

>>59557158
Looks rather like some custom build

>>59557256
it's just the MCE skin, MS had a download for regular users for a while

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I can't find Watercolor online.
The only working link I found was on DeviantArt, but it lacks .theme file.
Can anyone help to find it?

>>59557158
you mean Royale Noir, right?

>>59557470
msstyles is where the skin is, theme files just tell which skin to use

>>59557665
zune is probably a better dark skin

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Corporate design was sold as good design. Same thing happened with modern architecture. cost saving, cookie cutter garbage was used to replace actual clean and thought out modernism, because good design takes effort and money. so instead we get material design etc. and the lazy indie faggot web/app designers are more than happy to leech off the trend.

>>59544850
this. I fucking hate how the same tryhards who praise cyberpunk/anime UI aesthetics still shit out the same safe "minimalist" garbage. they're too fucking scared to try anything decorative. it's not just soulless, it's also stupid, it's never actually all function. you still get little effects like windows minimization. they're just too dense to recognize where character comes in.

>>59546780
A+ taste. way better than the reddit anti-rice in desktop threads. good taste in music too. what are you running and on what?

>>59545510
oBSD set to calm window manager is hands down the most beautiful environment out of the box.

>>59544119
What a load of horseshit. There isn't a shred of evidence to support this theory. Just some silly story you tell business motherfuckers to make them do shit the way they wanted it

>>59555377
the icons looks very nice, but jesus christ that background texture looks auwful.

>>59557667
How do I make theme file?

I only use the browser and a terminal so I don't really need UI

probably not the best place to ask but any recommendations for icon packs like the ones featured in: >>59541822 >>59542506 >>59546780 >>59555115 ? vaguely skeumorphish with a limited color palette

The more I look back on ancient UI design, the more I see it as depressing when I imagine it on an HD monitor

>>59558315
But it looks great on an HD monitor. Everything's so crisp.

>>59557964
you install the skin and select it

>>59558499
Windows XP doesn't seem to handle the theme properly, I can't select it

>>59560539
did you patch your uxtheme?

>>59554776
It is for legacy software and no internet

>>59560725
Indeed, it worked.

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>>59544710
>apple music

>>59557785
Also like modern design, there are ways to make minimalism look good, but that actually takes thought and effort, and the pajeet Java monkeys and 14 year old /g/entoomen (and their architecture equivalents) can't handle that.

I miss the UI of Win 98/2000 to. Sadly getting 2000 to run on modern hardware is a lost cause. 1. Ram limit - 4GB max, 2. HDD - can use only 120GB hdd max. 3. Does support multi core cpu but chances are good modern cpu won't be recognized. Best option is to find used pc from 1999/01 era.

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>>59557785
>tfw nobody appreciates a good interface.

>>59541822
Exactly when smartphones went massive and retards thought it would be a good idea to use the same design on desktop applications and make everything as dumbed down as possible.

>>59563124
>extensive use of three-button mouse
I don't think I'd call it good.

>>59556501
That's a nice non-argument you got there anon.

>>59562589
Look into Windows 2000 Datacenter Server

>>59544475
Kek, thought the exact same
>tfw we'd save humanity

>>59546125
Namaste, Pajeet! :^)

>>59544145
>implying luna theme was bad

Luna was best xp theme

>>59557665
That was my favourite.

>>59564423
>fischer-price tier
>best

>>59544093
Just shrink your browser and put something else alongside it.

>>59545029
>I had never used a mac before, and I used to hate them because of the meme without really knowing what I was talking about. About a year of using a mac full-time really opened my eyes.
I had a similar experience using them in high school. They're actually not too bad.

>>59545029
>For instance, I unironically do all my file management from the command line, just because it's so much easier and better than using that hellspawn that is the Finder.
should be able to setup midnight commander or ranger

>>59564423

Liking Luna is an acquired taste.

>>59546780
windowmaker is better

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For modern times, your best bet for windows user is Windows 7. Things just get so much worse if you move to 8/8.1 or Ten.

>>59565439

Really? I looked up some screenshots and it seems to have that awkward early Linux look.

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>>59554967
its still possible to make your ui look like that

>>59541822
>I personally don't like it therefore it's shit
>Back in the old days

Die