> his CPU is beaten by an i3 that costs 179 bucks

fake news

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>i3
>$179

>>59541790
what are you implying you fucking retard

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>>59541767
Where does the AMD FX 8350 stack up? It just screams in my beast of a rig.

I mean gosh, it's got like 8 cores!!

>>59541800
>Paying $200 for a dual core

>he doesn't use a server as a desktop
LITERALLY less than $200 for a complete build

>>59541865
what are you implying you fucking retard

What's with the huge gap between the 4790k and 4770k?

Why is the 6700k below the 4790k?

>>59541767
IT'S OVER AMD IS BTFO BANKRUPT AND FINISHED FOR ALL ETERNITY

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>>59541839
>Where does the AMD FX 8350 stack up?

>>59541930
I believe 4790K got better overclocks there.

>>59541767
Single thread performance.

>>59542034
>3.7 MB
Oh for fucks sake

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>>59542034

>>59541767
>not using an intel core 2 duo

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>>59542129
right; jpeg

>>59541767
>single thread
what is this, 2005?

>>59542181
It will be relevant in 2205. CPUs are not GPUs. They will always require serial performance.

>>59542197
>Says increasingly nervous man

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>>59542225

>>59542225
that's quite interesting

>>59542225
I'd love to try this at least once.

>>59541904
what are you implying you fucking retard

>>59542225

AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH

>>59542308
What if that little fella dissappeared into there too quickly for you to stop him?

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post em

i5 4690k @ 4.5ghz

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>being a corelet

>>59542328
I'd masturbate furiously in a hope that the force of my jizz would shoot him out.
In all seriousness however, I don't think he'd stay there as urethra is very salty environment which they don't like.

Xeon is useless to OP?

>>59542352
He'd stay if he was dead or too sick to get out

>>59542225
What did he mean by this?

>>59542396
I don't think so
https://archiveofsins.com/data/soc/image/1489/18/1489180180116.webm

>No clock speed or memory speed given for Ryzen
OK

>>59542429
Great. Now I have an itch I will not attempt to scratch.

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>Literally caring about single thread performance

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>>59541767
> op didn't show this
I wonder why, it was taken from the same website he was

>>59542484
wow, why IS the single core so low, though?

I thought they learned their lesson from the fx line

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>>59542484
Even better

>>59542535
clockspeed dumbass

I wish they had an overclocked and memory speed comparison.

>>59542480
> Literally pretending his desktop is a render farm

>>59542567
that's still really low regardless of clockspeed

>>59542181
>pretending his desktop is a render farm

>>59542484
>>59542557
> he is so retarded that he believes his desktop is a rendering servers farm

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>>59542535
> why is it so low
it isn't that lower.
Yes, Kaby has an small advantage on ipc, but the main difference comes from the higher clock speeds, it's basically 4ghz vs 4.5ghz, Ryzen can't catch up on single thread. Ryzen shines on multi, and it's not like what happened with FX, this time we have real cores.

pic related is the real 7700K competidor

>>59542614
but even a haswell chip has seemingly higher IPC

the i5 4690k beats it at 3.5ghz vs its 3.6ghz

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>>59542637
Single threads are the past

>>59542614
>>59542690
Overclock the 1700 and it will be close enough anyhow and murder Intel in multi threaded applications.

>>59542690
that's an opinion, and you're free to have it and all, but it's a fact that the IPC is lower than a haswell chip and the single thread perf suffers because of it

there are still plenty of programs a regular consumer would want to use that are heavily single threaded. can amd just not get the same single thread perf. that intel can, or is it a conscious decision to focus more on multithread?

>>59542705
overclock the i5 and it will also murder the 1700 even more lol, "just overclock it" isn't a good enough answer when both chips can be overclocked

>>59542637
haslel beats ryzen's single threaded performance on this benchmark, but on most other benchmarks Ryzen gets broadwell-e tier performance, so it really depends.

Also remember we didn't see big improvements from haswell go kaby anyways.

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ITT -
>corelets
>muh megahurtz
>muh singlethreaded
>muh unoptimized dx11 gaymes
>oy vey buy intel goys

>>59542736
>broadwell-e

broadwell-e isn't known for it's single core perf though

haswell probably beats broadwell in single core too

So, Core i3 is good enough and anything above it is unnecessary according to OP.

http://www.eteknix.com/ryzen-vs-intel-gtx-1080-ti-showdown-revisited-more-resolutions-overclocks-games-tested/all/1/

Ideally they would test a similarly priced 1700 instead of the 1800X. Price wise for gaming at least the 1800X just is not worth it. An overclocked 1700 however comes pretty close to the 7700K in gaming and blows it out of the water in anything multi threaded.

Intel firehouse confirmed
> i7 7700K
> 95W
> 4 cores at 4.5GHz

> Ryzen 1700X:
> 65W
> 8 cores at 3.7GHz

>>59541767
>>59542484
Here's some benchmarks that aren't retarded as fuck .. for whatever reason PassMark is garbage when it comes to multithreaded tests.

http://cpu.userbenchmark.com/Compare/Intel-Core-i7-7700K-vs-AMD-Ryzen-7-1800X/3647vs3916

http://cpu.userbenchmark.com/Compare/Intel-Core-i7-7700K-vs-AMD-Ryzen-7-1700X/3647vs3915

You'll know if you need to pay extra for the 1800X.

>>59542886
so what if it catches on fire? dude just put it out lmao

>>59542899
Keep in mind that the benchmark averages for Ryzen will only increase as faster RAM is made available, OSes are patched, and motherboards aren't broken piles of crap that barely work (Hi ASUS!)

>>59542899
Nobody outside servers need the 1800X or 1700X. Just get the 1700 and overclock it.

http://cpu.userbenchmark.com/Compare/Intel-Core-i7-7700K-vs-AMD-Ryzen-7-1700/3647vs3917

>>59541767
>>caring about single threads

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>>59542934
1700 is all over the place

>>59543011
That's because there are so many shitty mobos out there. I'd bet those buying 1800X also buy the more expansive boards.

>single thread performance

But no one runs one thread at a time. Even if you only run single threaded applications, you run many of them.

This benchmark is useless for people who actually want to use their computer for something more than a toaster.

>>59543043
The mobo price doesn't matter. Some expensive ones still suck. Some cheaper ones around $90-$110 are still good.

>>59541767
>CPUMark
>single core
Two reasons to kill yourself OP. That's plenty, get to it.

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>tfw the i7-7700k that I just paid $350 for outperforms by a mere 2 points an i3 that costs half as much.

>>59542311
Retard fucking you implying you are what?

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>>59543076
Should've bought the i3, single core is all that matters. Old DX11 games at 720p are all that matters. 2 cores 4 threads should be enough for anyone.

>>59543076
Look at the bright side. Amd's $600 flagship is getting embarrased by $70 intel cpus. I think indians should learn to shit in the street before creating hardware

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>AMD and Intel fahgs in a daily dick-measuring contest
>they don't know that Alphabet Inc. is going to be the first to deliver an affordable quantum processor for home computers.

>>59543109
Pentium would be even better for OP because no need for AVX whatsoever.

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>>59543129
>This is what shilltel shekelchasers actually believe

>>59543066
>But no one runs one thread at a time. Even if you only run single threaded applications, you run many of them.


holy shit how dumb are you anon

>This benchmark is useless for people who actually want to use their computer for something more than a toaster.

jesus fucking christ

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>>59543146
>mfw parallel concurrency is a meme now

>>59543145
>>59543171
>autistic forever neet weeb virgin
>amd fan

Checks out

>>59543196
Kill yourself.

>>59543129

intel's desktop flagship, an impressive $1650 10c20t i7-6950x, gets absolutely BTFO by a $75 pentium G3258

tfw you listened to listened to /g/ and now have a comfy G3258 rig

>>59542886
You fucking retard

1700X is 95W TDP and it fucking means nothing.

The 8 cores at full stress consumes way more power than the i7-7700k.

Wow, surprise, double the core, way higher power consumption.

Too many retards on this board.

>>59542172
How do I take screenshots like this?

>>59543066
It is useful to some people regardless. I for example live by this benchmark because of my desire to stream old school games. There are certain games where you need to kill all but one core to play a game without it freezing. For compatibility during these times, it is nice to have a system that can handle everything rather nicely, my priority being on these older games.

>>59543322
You would be able to play them on a VM.

>>59543367
Hardware acceleration doesn't work in a VM. Plus, not sure how that would change the number of cores the application itself is running, it just sounds like more draw to create a virtual machine in the first place.

>>59543303
hold gun to temple, pull trigger, hit enter and it'll upload

>>59543393
you can assign how many cpu cores you want a virtual machine to use, and who cares about hardware acceleration on old games?

>>59543488
If you assign the number of cpu cores... that means you are only using 1 cpu core. Aren't we back to square one where this benchmark is beneficial in telling what runs better when relying on a single core? As for hardware acceleration, software mode generally tends to be clunky for late 90s titles. You get bad lighting that makes it hard to see what you are doing, more visual artifacts tend to exist in the world, and particles tend to be heavily glitched.

>>59541767
>he makes shilltastic benchmark threads

Explain yourself, faggot. Actually, don't. Just fucking jump off a bridge instead.

>>59541767
Only Pissmark would claim that a 4790K outperforms a 6700K

>>59543322
Congratulations, you found a miniscule niche use case that would be better served by just playing your games on older hardware rather than gimping your new PC's multithreaded performance.

>>59543715
Prepare a working single core AM3 Sempron PC and you will be fine, then.

>implying anything uses only 1 core aside from benchmarks and old programs that don't need much power anyway

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>>59541767
yoke is on you; my cpu cost only ~65€

>>59543828
Not really. I said I stream those old school games. That means, without taking anything else I may do on my computer, I need modern technology for that. I don't deny being a minuscule niche case, I just am saying that this one particular benchmark is beneficial to me and any other niche individual like me. To 99% of people it isn't, but I am thankful it is around.

>>59543941
Get a fucking capture device.

>>59543836
Low clock speed. Taking any CPU ever made into account, the 7700k performs best for my use case even if it is modern and has multiple cores simply because it works the best at single core performance.

>>59541767
I still use my q6600

>>59543803
What did he mean by this?

>>59543874
>5400K
>because it uses 5.4kW
AMD BTFO

>>59543970
Actually, long term, that is the plan. A high end Xeon build in one and a 7700k in the other. Regardless, my knowledge is quite limited on it, and I assume drivers for the capture card would only work on a newer OS like Windows 7.

>>59543978
I wonder what 90 game really needs 7700k. Who the fuck could play that when they sold it.

>>59543874
>SANIC Fast processor
I think you can get this brand new for $35 or something now.

>>59544028
What you do is use an external capture device and capture the video from the older PC like you would from an older console.

>>59544044
Needs? Not really, no. But gives a lot more legroom while also expanding its abilities for later mods on limit removing source ports. Plus it is the only way to play, at least somewhat, some horribly optimized stuff like anything on DOSBox-Daum. Try playing the original Quake on that with any resolution higher than 300x200.

>>59544085
I planned to do more research on this half after I got my 7700k build set up. Have to have half a build before you can worry about the second part.

Never used it on a console, I always assumed captures were just done from emulators. If I am correct it connects up to the GPU. I think it makes a bit more sense to me, it is recording the output from the GPU and not from the computer itself, though that makes me question games where the GPU is not used. I can imagine there is some game that is entirely reliant on the CPU.

>>59544179
You can get an hdmi recording device for 80 bucks, dumps the vid on usb or sd.

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>>59541767
pushing a company that charges you nearly $200 for a dual core in 2017.
>>59543011
Tallest bars are most common and thick bars are most recent, I'm guessing the two curves on ryzen are stock and overclocked with the dip in the first being XFR. this too>>59543043

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>>59544179
It's something like this

>>59544126
So the original Quake on DOSBox is the one that makes single thread performance relevant.

>>59544245
Now it makes a bit more sense. It just outputs from a display, much like a monitor, and outputs the file via usb to another device. It almost sounds like you would want to stream to the multi-core computer, but record to the gaming computer because of the limitation of 1080p for 60FPS (I personally like 1440px60 for recordings, but streaming sites are a bit behind).

>>59544324
Somewhat, yes. However, my main priority would be Thief: The Dark Project.

>>59544373
What you really need is a working Windows 98 PC.

>>59544431
That wouldn't allow me to blow up my resolution on a 1440p monitor :P

>>59544449
Trinitron CRT works better for them anyways.

>>59544521
Madman. I was one of those excited about the switch to LCD. I pretty much became nocturnal to avoid sunlight due to CRT monitors, those things reflected to the point you could barely see anything. That and Thief, pretty much one of the darkest games, was not a good combination.

>>59542034
>a 33% increase over the 8350
Fine by me
Ill take 33% over whatever the fuck sklake to kabylake was. (1%?)

>>59543140
>that you mine your data for ads by design

This is not the future I want

>>59542369
Shills are getting desperate

>>59544644
that's what black curtains or closets are for

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>>59541767
>2017
>dual core
That's Celeron-tier now. Get with the times.

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>>59541767

>>59542934
>Nobody outside servers need the 1800X or 1700X

Overclocking a 1700 to 1800X levels put its at 200W TDP when under load. I'll stick with my 1800X thx.

>>59544449
why don't you just play hardware quake? that's what it's for.

>>59543417
literally this

>>59543803
>/g/ LARPERs
I'm never here at the right times goddamit. Did anons call him a faggot and tell him to kill himself?

How do I get the most out of my 3570 non K?
Is the basic turbo boost as far as I can go?

>>59543303
in firefox:
shift+F2 to open console thingy
type:

screenshot --fullpage

press enter

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>>59547118
>>59542172
Nimbus Screenshot add-on for firefox

>>59542918
>motherboards aren't broken piles of crap that barely work (Hi ASUS!)

I just ordered an ASUS Ryzen board... Should I switch to MSI? How boned am I?

>>59547145
>>59542918
>2017
>not getting Gigabyte boards

Those fucks never break.

>>59547145
>How boned am I?

Balls deep.

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>>59547187
I really wanted the Gigabyte gaming 5 Ryzen board but they put the stupid M2 slot under the GPU. Thermal throttling an M2 drive pretty much ruins the point of it.

>>59547283
>meme LEDs all over it

>>59547297
Garish motherboards are the norm now, except in the low end.

>>59542614
15300 is 125% of 12300.
4.5 is 112% of 4.0.

So in terms of IPC, the 7700k picks up about 12.5% over Ryzen.

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Yo, yo Intel fags, why shouldn't I get a 1600 again? Do make a list so I can paste it in the next thread. But I bet you can't.

Asrock MSI or Gigabyte? Which is best?

>>59547454
Gigabyte > Asrock > MSI > polished turd > AIDS > Asus

>>59541767
>my cheap pentium beats ryzen
amd on suicide watch

>>59547495
Why
>Gigabyte > Asrock
?

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>>59541767
>3570k @ 5ghz

come back in another 4 years

>>59547527
All reviewers who had a stable Ryzen system were using Gigabyte motherboards. ASRock and Gigabyte were the only brands that didn't gimp Ryzen, MSI is still putting their shit together.

>>59547598
Thank you! Is G.Skill a good RAM brand to go with Ryzen?

>>59547641
Yes. Get the Trident Z, Ryzen likes Samsung memory better

>>59547641
the brand is largely irrelevant

and g.skill is gaymer chink crap

>>59547598
probably because gigabyte and a few others are the only ones who make good quality power phases for the cpu

>>59541767
>buying a CPU for single thread performance

How does this help me encode video? How does this help me run VMs?

>>59547641
the best is whatever the motherboard supports from a not-shit brand like kingston or corsair or whatever.

>>59547827
It's a non-issue because you can remove those stupid heatspreaders

>>59547687
>>59547827
>>59547930
It's the only brand that offers 3200Mhz memory in my country. Rest are 2666Mhz tops.

>>59547937
>pay extra for stupid gaymer shit
>then remove it
or just buy ram without that crap glued to it in the first place

>>59547946
they aren't even a manufacturer, they are an oem, but that sux

>>59542595
the tasks that are demanding are multithreaded

the tasks that are not multithreaded are not demanding

there's no reason to not go for cores over muh speed unless you need to play extremely poorly optimized indie games

>>59547977
You're paying extra for speed and capacity. The heatspreader is cheap.

>b-but muh brands

They're all the same. There are only a dozen DRAM manufacturers anyway.

>>59547118
Fuuuuuck I've been manually gluing together and aligning pixels of print screens to get big screenshots for years.

>>59548015
>You're paying extra for speed
g.skill doesn't have the only fast ram

they just stick gaymer shit onto another company's oem'd sticks

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lol Intel shill goin full force today. none amd hate/love thread yesterday, did you guy take a break ?

>>59548118
They have days off, I guess. Shilling on 4chan is stressful.

>His $180 i3 only has two cores.

Why aren't you waiting for a four core four thread R3 Ryzen for $130 anon?

>>59544317
wouldn't it be better to use a signal splitter to avoid lag

>>59543263
>Thinks TDP is a measurement for power consumption

You fucking retard

>>59542061
On other sites the 6700k sometimes surpasses the 4790k, they're pretty close. I have a 4790k and my roommate has a 6700k and we have pretty similar performance.

Do Kaby Lake or Zen chips work on windows 7 and 8.1? Do they take a performance hit for not being used with windows 10?

>>59548927
>Do Kaby Lake or Zen chips work on windows 7 and 8.1?
Yes, but Microsoft cucked Windows Update. Use WSUSOffline.

>Do they take a performance hit for not being used with windows 10?
kek. Ryzen on Windows 7 was 15% faster until the last W10 update.

>>59548969
>kek. Ryzen on Windows 7 was 15% faster until the last W10 update
Is W10 even at this point? I'm on the fence about whether to switch versions or not.

>>59549317
10 is an even number, and it's not misaligned or otherwise uneven

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>>59543803
How can a CPU spy on you? It doesn't have access to the internet without asking the OS to grant it, so it would be pretty easy to detect unwanted requests with basic shit like wireshark.

This is bs.

>>59549604
some packages can be hidden

>>59549604
google "intel ME", retard
was it so hard to do it yourself before shitposting??

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>passmark

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>>59541767
>still using an old 6-core AMD Phenom II 1090T 3.2GHz
>it is something like 7 fucking years old now
>it still runs everything new at max

You know it really sucks that PCs are no longer getting better by leaps and bounds. It was kind of fun back in the day when every month something new would crush your bragging rights completely.

>sudden realization I haven't upgrade my CPU/motherboard in 7 fucking years

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>>59541767
but it isn't? i wasnt even idle scoring this

>>59542329

>>59549604
your cpu is actually a child cpu, there is a mother cpu you have no control over with a built in spy mechanism faggot

>>59547978
let's make a correction, there is no reason not to go more cores unless its single core is not good enough.

amd's fx series were not good enough
amds ryzen are more than good enough.

could i get a 10+ core intel of ebay? yea, probably for around the same price, think I seen a 20 core es for 350, but the single core is nowhere near good enough to justify the trade off for me.

>>59542197
And I will run more then one single thread demanding program at a time, and in comes another programs that wants 4 cores

On a more core system, you get to use the program with no performance hit, on the less core, you feel it every step of the way that it demands more then what you have.

>>59542745
its actually known for some of the best ipc, intel just never released the cpus at large due to cost.

>>59542936
you have to care about it to a point, sandybridge what the point where single thread stopped mattering as the definitive factor.

>>59543800
its 200mhz faster in the boost, and depending on how well it sustains it, possibly faster overall till you oc, knowing that skylake gives next to nothing over haswell.

>he trusts skewed benchmarks heavily biased towards intel-specific optimization and pure single-core performance instead of real world benchmarks that amd has fucking destroyed intel in for goddamn years
Intel really has fooled all of you kids, haven't they?

>>59550560
if you are on ddr3, it may be good enough, but seriously, sandybridge beat the hell out of that cpu.

Whats shocking is how far back you can go and still have good enough computers.

>>59551567
>real world world benchmarks
Oh intel is even better in "the real world." Most applications and gaymes are IPC dependent, not core and thread dependent

>>59541767
This troll is so blatant that I'm disappointed in /g/ for responding at all

>>59551600
>not core/thread dependent
>2017
Sigh. The Intel botnet has you good, doesn't it?

but does it compile kernel in 60s?

>>59541779
/thread

>>59543322
So... you buy shitty CPUs with high single core ratings so you can play old shit that would run on a pentium 3?

>>59547283
>that motherboard
When will this rgb meme end?

>>59543393
hardware acceleration works fine in a VM if you aren't buying dumb shit CPUs. Hardware passthrough has been around for like 8 years man

>>59544373
>Thief: The Dark Project
You're the worst troll. That shit would run on a potato. A literal potato. You don't need single core performance for something which runs on a 166MHz pentium and a 4MB video accelerator.
And why are you running quake in dosbox when you can use the darkplaces code and run a native 64bit Windows binary with upgraded textures? http://icculus.org/twilight/darkplaces/

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>>59541767
Now the i3's have i/o passthrough. Evil just evil.

>>59541865
> hurr durr muh octa core chink phones
> Apple has 2 cores and beats the fuck out of them all

But heck, it's a weeb shitposter.
Just get a tripcode pls, you fucktard.

>>59543145
Love how all the dumb shitposts are made by weebs.

>>59541767
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>>59549604
> i want to believe
Yeah of course the botnet CPU runs even without fucking power, holy shit.
I mean when I was like 5 years old, other kids myself included told shit like this.

>>59547145
I'm running an Asus Prime X370-pro, no issues so far besides unstable ram OC

>>59547113
Some Mobos may have overclocking tools built in that will let you screw around with your clocks. I was running a 3570 in an Asus gene v and was able to get 4ghz by increasing the turbo multiplier and baseclock.