Cemu Discussion

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>>59536730
Fucking programming, how does that work?

>>59536730
Its closed source.

>>59536730
closed source emulators are a scam, especially since they're asking for money.

It's non-free. What do you expect?

Search for open source emulators and see how they are made, that should give you an idea of how it works.

Closed source and made with a stolen SDK. Is it really a surprise they don't leave any public documentation and are asking for money?

>>59536730
They don't document it, and I doubt they will anytime soon. As with most proprietary software, it isn't designed to serve anyone but the developer. It's designed to make the developer as much money as possible, and it's doing a pretty good job right now. Until they release Cemu under a free software license, I don't think anyone should support it.

>>59537856
This.

>>59536730
It's most likely closed source because they're working with stolen Nintendo docs or possibly sdk.

They basically built their own VM akin to the jvm and use jit compilers to transform the binary of your nonfree garbage game into native machine instructions. If it's just a x86 arch machine they are emulating, then it's just a shim layer to translate syscalls/etc to your system's native interfaces.

>>59539039
This.

UltraHLE all over again.

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>>59536817
Math and meth, dumbo!

>>59537856
>>59539039

Who cares, at least it works.

>>59536886
>closed source emulators are a scam
Just like how Dolphin emulator was a scam, right?

>>59540796
>>59540812
dolphin didn't ask for money to support development or to get access to builds

>>59540856
Yeah so? You said it's a scam, which it's not. Many games are currently playable, and more will be in the future. They've even said that they'll open the source in the future, just like Dolphin did.

>>59540856
So what, you can still get the latest builds >for free, just one week later.

>>59540889
the problem is that they are wanting to get money for creating a platform for piracy. Not against piracy but profiting off of it is another thing.

>>59536886
Just like Libre office is a scam because it asks for money. $50 for a ripoff of MS Office that doesn't even work properly.

>>59541268
1/10 bait senpai made me reply
It's different when you aren't funding something that can only in turn be used to rip off developers of the games that the thing is meant to play. If it was open source it could then be used by someone to further their understanding of how a system worked.

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>>59541368
Libre completely rips off ms office. Same structure and same features. You can even save in MS Office format.

It's intention is to siphon money from office for an easy buck. Total scam.

Sounds like they're trying to play off qemu's popularity. It's probably a trojan.

>>59541437
predicted this exact response consider myself got desu baka senpai
10/10 cannot come back

Pretty much accepted at this point that they got their hands on documentation and that that's the only reason it's made the progress that it has. They're going to put the progress on a drip feed to milk donations for as long as possible.

>>59536730
sony or microsoft put a lot of money to a group of engineers to make reverse engineering and disguised it work from some guys

maybe Nintendo did it

>>59536730
I've heard they're using stolen Wii U code for it, a very good reason to keep it closed source, but that's just a rumour.

>>59540946
They're not doing anything illegal. They're just turning their programming skills into a job.

>>59542144
A job that is creating a platform for piracy with the only argument against that being "You can play games in >1080p". It may not be illegal but it is immoral. Since the emulator is closed source and there is zero documentation there is no way you can use this to learn or research how the Wii u worked. The only thing this emulator can be used for is to play games of which in order to play them best you will have to pay the cemu people to get the best builds and to get them legally you will have to rip them using special setups which I doubt anyone does. Quite simply the cemu people are profiting off of the work game developers have put in to make games for the wii u.

Nobody knows and all the retards who support this closed source piece of shit should kill themselves.

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>>59542333
Are you seriously arguing for morals on 4chan.

>>59542383
that is true people are just here to want to play vidia and see the cemu situation as just a premium service to play wiiu games for cheap "lol for just 5 bucks a month I can play all the wii u games I want on my pc!"

>>59542423
or you can pay nothing and get each new build for free a week later

or you can play nothing and cry about muh morals and muh pirating on the internet hoping nintendo will recognize all the hard work you've put in bleeding your heart out for them on the internet instead of doing something better with your time

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>>59542459
better like

>>59541576
And yet you can't see how Libre and Cemu are the same concept.

emufag here:

* cemu is os-level virt, it reimplements the apis natively (a bit like qemu-user), doesnt emulate the whole machine.
* dolphin emulates whole machine (a bit like qemu-system).
* it uses the same PPC interpreter as dolphin, and they recently backported dolphin's JIT

cemu approach is generally "implement only as much so that recent games can run", whereas dolphin is "implement the whole machine".

>>59540946
Kill yourself, my friend

>>59542459
go back to >>/v/ with a cop-out like that
https://www.patreon.com/cemu
They make 24k a month on this so about 5000 people do actually pay the monthly fee for the new builds.
>>59542522
on a meme-tier level yeah
>>59542572
no one on 4chan is alive to begin with

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>>59542597
I'm not nintendo why should I care.

>>59536730
It works by stealing Wii U source code and emulating them on PC.

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>>59542653
If your niche weeb game developers don't get any money for their games because it all went to cemu then you won't have any more anime tiddy to fugg

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>>59542716
That's an incredible false flag. Any look at how much studios have been making shows an uptick.
There's even a whole industry now of 'indie' devs, when before those were the shitty CDs you could get at shitty game stores for a dime.

>>59542459
Exactly. They are just putting a price on their work. Nothing wrong with that.

>>59542597
So what? Is their money, if you don't wanna pay just don't fucking pay. Some people just appreciate devs work and want to give then some money.

>>59542778
There's no problem with people getting money for their work the problem lies in the fact that the only thing it can be used for is piracy and there is no real enhancements besides playing in >1080p
>>59542731
that was largely a shitpost ignore it's contents

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>>59542882
What's the issue with making money off piracy?
Why do you even think the nips mind? Comiket is built on doujinshi which is just other people profiting off studios work.

>>59542882
So? That's exactly what the ones donating want.

>>59542922
They aren't reselling the manga or anime of which it was inspired by they are derivative works. It's a different concept entirely
>>59542939
Enhancements was a wrong word to use it's more about the closed source nature of the emulator. Due to it being closed source you can only play pirated games with it, and you cannot use it to learn how the wii u worked and how they implemented things. Sure some people just want to play games in >1080p for free and that's fine no hate for them my problem is with how the cemu project is handeled.

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>>59543027
They aren't selling the games either, they're selling an emulation process. It's derivative of the console it's emulating.

Not to mention, what the fuck does it matter. What's the point of these semantics. Who cares if it's piracy or not.

>>59540946
You're confusing this with the DS emulators.

>>59536730
From what I've read, the Wii u and the Wii are almost the same in how they function. So they just took what was documented about the Wii and applied it towards Wii u emulation

>>59543126
How so?
>>59543089
In that case it's no different than if someone offered a new wii u console and sold it for 5 dollars at a thrift shop that could play any game for free by downloading them off the internet

>>59543240
I tried to use a DS emulator, Drastic I belive, and I had to pay for it because piracy is bad or something along those lines.

>>59543240
>In that case it's no different than if someone offered a new wii u console and sold it for 5 dollars at a thrift shop that could play any game for free by downloading them off the internet
I take that back that's comparable to buying a hard drive to load wii games over usb or chips for the snes that can load roms.
My point being I don't like software developed on closed platforms. Like >>59543300 said.

>>59537856
Mobile phone platforms are locked down alot and so is the software on it I dislike drastic for the same reasons

swap
>>59543300 and >>59537856

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>>59543240
Sure. And what's wrong with that?

>>59543327
>My point being I don't like software developed on closed platforms.
I think that's more the point. You're sitting here to come up with some real reasons and yet the only thing you have against them is you don't like them.

>>59536886
It works, everything else is irrelevant

>>59543228
Wrong, both Dolphin devs and Cemu devs claimed that they are very different.

>>59536730
Its closed source. Because as time proves it again and again...closed source is more efficient than open source.
Want to check the open source Wii U emulator code? here it is.

Decaf https://github.com/decaf-emu/decaf-emu.

Of course it wont play any game at decent framerate in a million years, but hey, YOU CAN IMPROVE IT YOURSELF
Whats funny is that freetards spend more time making conspiracy theories about CEMU than actually working on their own emulator

(because how could a closed source software be so efficient? They must have stolen Nintendo documents! I dont have proof,hehehe, but trust me, they couldnt win to open source in a legit way...uh cemu guys, can I have the code? I need it to "improve it" What? to do my own job?)

>>59539039
>>59537620
Source. And no, your own butthurt is not a source

>>59537856
>Dude it's wrong to have a skill that's valued in the market place and exchange that skill for money on a completely voluntary basis lmao

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>>59544129
likewise how do you know they haven't faggots

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>>59544696
you're the one making the ridiculous claim (i.e. 'cemu devs are using stolen code or an sdk, that's why it's closed source'), burden of proof lies with you.

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>>59544871
We didn't have proof but we based the claim on how fast the development went. So now you are the one who has to provide a counter argument.

stolen code can be detected with bindiff tools.

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>>59544935
>we based the claim on how fast the development went
this means nothing, you are still making the claim that they're using stolen code with no basis. lots of software makes fast progress without using stolen assets, so you can not base your assumptions on the fact that cemu is making fast progress. burden of proof still lies with you and until you're not providing the tiniest shred of evidence to support your claim you are just embarrassing yourself.

for the record, i am not making any claim on the topic. i am not saying that they're using stolen assets and i am not claiming that they don't. i literally have nothing i would have to proof. i am merely calling you out on your bullshit baseless assumptions.

>>59544996
>until you're not providing
*since you're not providing

Cemu is viral marketing for nintendo games because the Wii U flopped like a bitch

That would almost make sense except that then an official emulator would generate much more attention and hence marketing success.

>>59545040
>>>/x/

>>59536730
The very rapid rate of progress, and the insistence of staying closed source, has led many to suspect that they have insider knowledge (in the form of Nintendo documentation, SDKs, etc). There is no evidence of this at all, though. Innocent until proven guilty, and also it's fun playing MK8 in 1440p.

>>59545040
no cemu is closed source because it's made by nintendo and they are using pirates as testers for their emulator while at the same time collecting their data until they can slam a lawsuit so bad 50k pirates will rot in jail for rest of their lives

switch will get a killer emulator though so thanks pirates, enjoy your stay at the prison

>>59546944
I wish

What are system requirements for this?

>>59537856
>how dare someone use his skill to make money no one should be supporting this fucking asshole he needs to die
why the open source community is cancer: the post

>>59537620
>stolen SDK.
this always intrigued me
are nintendos competitors releasing these exploits? as a form of corporate espionage
is it nintendo themselves releasing this as they realize it boosts their sales drastically
or is it just some random who got lucky?

>>59545040
probably this.
top it off with the fact that a hacked system sells way more than those that are secure, and the fact that they profit off every console sold
it would be stupid of nintendo to be a closed off shithole like playstation/shitbox.
esp when they barely have anyone publishing games for their system besides themselves

>>59536730
> https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PL-sXmdrqqYYcznDg4xwAJWQgNL2gRray2

>>59550207
>as a form of corporate espionage
I'd wager it more being revenge for being forced to develop for a Power-based console with zero marketshare in the era of XB1/PS4

>>59552352
lol

>>59540856
They allowed donations, just like Cemu

>>59542333
cemu is about as immoral as Connectix VirtualPC was, 15 years ago.

And you know what happened? The entire server market is now running virtualized machines.

cemu is doing nothing wrong, as much as I hate patreon being a thing.

>>59554833
connectix also made a commercial playstation emulator, which i'm surprised you didn't mention
sony tried to shut it down, but they lost their case against it

>>59536730
Well, it renders in OpenGL, so there's that.

They probably have docs they shouldn't. Seems pretty obvious with how they've progressed so fast with a team of no-names and it being closed source.

>>59554974
even then this is way too fast.
we don't even have a 360 or ps3 emulator that runs reasonably and those have been hacked and exposed from the top down for quite some time now

>>59543027
>my problem is with how the cemu project is handeled
I don't get how you got your panties in such a bunch just because you have to wait a week for the release, you sound like a spoiled kid.

>>59555063
>and those have been hacked and exposed from the top down for quite some time now
That's not the same as having actual documentation from the creators of the hardware and software. People have to reverse engineer the software.