is macOS really unix

MacOS is UNIX-like, not UNIX.
Linux is not an OS. Many (if not all?) Linux distros, however, are UNIX-like.

>>59511628
macOS and Free/OpenBSD are the closest real up to date UNIX's we have.

They are actually way more UNIX than just UNIX like, Linux is UNIX like.

>>59511628
It literally is UNIX. That is an indisputable fact.

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>>59511410
Read this and don't ask dumb questions.

>>59511410
Too bad an OS like the one in op's pic no longer exists.

>>59511946
Only difference from the photo is the UI

>>59511854
It doesn't hinder it to be a gayish shit though.

>>59511974
Stop spewing memes that are older than you are.

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>>59511681
>macOS and Free/OpenBSD are the closest real up to date UNIX's we have.

you realize that stuff outside this imageboard exists, right? Stuff that is used in the industry is way closer to UNIX than what you listed

>>59512044
OS X is as close to UNIX as it gets. An OS either is UNIX or it isn't, and OS X is.

>Is macOS UNIX?
Yes.
>Is UNIX better than Linux?
No. They're very much similar.

>>59512044
Only stuff like Solaris and HP-UX is all that i can think of that is actual genetic Unix (based off of ATT code). But it is dying and good luck purchasing a license.

>>59511410
It's UNIX system but unlike other UNIX systems (*BSD) or UNIX-like systems (GNU/Linux) it doesn't depend on the abomination knows as X11 to provide pretty graphics.

And Quartz + Aqua is infinitely better than Wayland + GTK + GNOME or whatever other shit is supposed to finally "fix" graphics on GNU/Linux. And it's stable, feature complete and it works unlike Wayland which is stuck in infinite alpha and empty promises. What's even funnier is that things that Wayland is supposed to "fix" are fixed in Mac OS X since the first version 15 years ago and it only got better since then.

The tragedy is that Linux is a much better kernel than Darwin but unfortunately Xorg, Wayland, GTK+, Qt, Gnome, KDE are holding it back.

>>59512133
Darwin's an OS, not a kernel. You're thinking of XNU.

>>59512158
Yeah, I meant XNU, thanks

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>>59511628
>MacOS is UNIX-like, not UNIX.

macOS is certified UNIX.
Looniks is a UNIX rip off.

>>59512075
OS X is about as far from System V as you can get, not that similarity to System V is anything to strive for.

>>59513455
UNIX is a certification, and every OS X version since 10.5 on Intel has been UNIX certified.

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>>59511681
>Free/OpenBSD
>up to date
anon...

>>59513579
What a trash.

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>>59512103
I always wanted a sparc when I was younger. Thanks for digging up old trauma faggot.

>>59511628
Nothing is Unix today. Even back in the day, hardly anyone used Unix proper.
They're POSIX-compliant, which is all that matters.

>unix
>outdated shit like OpenSSH

they used the "it's unix" pitch in the early stages to get more geeks to switch. just as they ran their "im a mac, im a pc" commercials.

>>59513762
they don't actually give a fuck about unix other than a free platform to start on and make money off. if apple was so great at design they wouldn't have drained the swamp of OS 9 so quick. fuck apple they did this so many times, khtml/safari, gcc/llvm. fuck them so hard.

>>59513734
something as vague as POSIX shouldn't even exists on the first place

>>59513792
>free
Every time Apple releases a new version they spend $15k on certification

>>59512300
Linux is UNIX-certified, 2 distros acquired certification. Not that it matters, it's a rubber stamp, but you're still wrong.

>>59513836
keep the dream alive i guess. also lol $15k

>>59513474
Actually UNIX is an operating system.

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Macshit spaghetti code hacked OS was never UNIX and never will be.

>>59513836
>$15k

A WHOLE 15k?!
Stop the presses!

>>59513836
OpenBSD is more unix-like and it's not even certified.

apple just crammed a bunch of shit into their shinny boxes. when they added bash and emacs to os x everyone was like "oh wow" because they deliberately were targeting switchers. now microsoft even adds bash. is windows unix too?

>>59513854
Unix is an OS, UNIX is a brand owned by the Open Group.

>>59513874
Of course it's not much but it's certainly not $0

>>59513883
Of course Windows isn't UNIX.

>>59513792
Except they objectively improve every open source project they touch. Nobody gave a fuck about khtml before apple turned it into webkit, because it was shit. Now everybody uses it.

>>59513874
thats like a decades salary for a foxcon underage suicidal slave

>>59511628
>MacOS is UNIX-like, not UNIX.
macOS is certified UNIX.

Linux is not UNIX and it never will be.

>>59513896
>Of course Windows isn't UNIX.
so why is mac os? because they pay for a piece of paper?

is OpenBSD unix? they don't have said paper.

>>59513918
>Linux is not UNIX
Objectively false, 2 distros have obtained certification, check the list.

>>59513901
>objectively improve every open source project they touch

hilarious. they're running outdated openssh and pf. they don't give back shit to either.

>>59513883
I hope HPE open-sources HP-UX after Itanium dies so we can have the only remaining pure SysV UNIX ported to whatever is mainstream at that point (I'm guessing ARM64?).

>>59513921
Because bash in windows is just a virtualized ubuntu running in the background.

>>59513901
>objectively improve
Kek provide proof pls.

>>59513921
>because they pay for a piece of paper?
Because they made their OS compliant to the standards and paid for the test. You don't just throw money at the Open Group and get a cert, you dumbass.

>>59513952
So what? z/OS has a Unix subsystem and it's SUS certified too (and can therefore use the trademark UNIX).

>>59513952
>windows is just a virtualized
probably because "muh gpl virus code"

redmond lawyers earning their pay.

>>59513952
And how does this break the UNIX spec exactly?

>>59513964
>OS compliant to the standard
oh the rigour

>>59513983
It doesn't, but it isn't part of windows. It's another os running inside an application in windows.

>>59514007
And this matters how? It can still be UNIX if Microsoft gave a shit. UNIX is a crappy certification anyway, it doesn't mention implementation anywhere just "this feature has to exist". HFS+ has symlinks, have you ever seen the implementation? It's atrocious, yet it still counts.

>>59514002
It has to comply with almost 4000 pages of specifications. All I'm saying is that UNIX certification is more than just playing for a piece of paper.

saying ms and apple care about unix is like saying caitlyn jenner was a lifelong feminist or is allowed to speak on their behalf.

>>59513980
It's not enough viral to fuck android vendors in the ass if viral at all.

>>59512075
That's a real fat trolling

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>>59511410
>is macOS really unix
LMAO


READ IT AND WEEP, POORFAG!


https://www.opengroup.org/openbrand/register/brand3627.htm

Show me the cert of YOUR OS!

>>59514007
It actually is a part of Windows and is not virtualized. But that would actually require you to know what the fuck you are talking about.

>>59514029
By that logic, anything that can run virtualbox is unix compliant.

>>59514048
It's true, see >>59514054

>>59514054
2 Linux distros are UNIX-certified, you can look it up.

>>59514059
If windows by default came with virtualbox running Ubuntu on boot, I guess so. This is where you realize how irrelevant muh UNIX is.

>>59514054
So what? It still sucks compared to what most Unices did twenty years ago.

>>59514077
>2 Linux distros are UNIX-certified, you can look it up
But is your distro certified?

>>59514077
>how irrelevant
not if you're running a marketing campaign in 2001 to get disgruntled nerds to switch to your product, which is pretty much the only interest in unix apple has had besides starting over with a sprint from the failures of os 9 (a true testament to their coding abilities).

>>59514091
No because I don't give 2 shits about UNIX. It's completely irrelevant.
Look my distro is approved by the My Little Pony Secret Club, Department of OS Design, this is totally important because I say so.

>>59514077
>2 Linux distros are UNIX-certified, you can look it up.
only specific old versions. and you don't run it. so shut the fuck up.

>>59514079
your mom sucks in the back alley every night.

>>59514119
>only specific old versions
Wasn't Huawei's OS certified not too long ago?

>>59514119
lol @ buttblasted macbabby xD

>>59513815
What would you propose as an alternative?

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>>59514138
Do you run it? No? Then shut the fuck up.

>>59514160
Plebs like you make me sick. Keep on using that toy piece of shit you call an OS.

>>59514211
>toy piece of shit you call an OS
oh the irony

>>59514211
Bitch, I'm not arguing against you. I'm just pointing out that Huawei had EulerOS 2.0 certified like 6 months ago.

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>>59514054
>mactoddler thinks his spaghetticode clusterfuck gaysexOS unix can become unix overnight with zero code changes because somebody signed a piece of paper

lmao

>>59514314
There's a difference between Unix and UNIX. OS X is undeniably UNIX. Whether or not it's Unix is up for debate.

>>59514246
>oh the irony
Silicon Valley literally runs on Macs. Even 4chan runs on OSX. Stay mad.

silicon valley is a mess anyway

>>59514365
*developers* use macs. all the infrastructure runs on Linux
also 4chan moved from homOSeX some time ago

but you can very well continue being in closet and lying to yourself

>>59514411
>*developers* use macs. all the infrastructure runs on Linux
That's all that matters.

>also 4chan moved from homOSeX some time ago
No it didn't. Still runs on Macs. Stay mad, stay retarded, and most importantly: stay poor you fucking pleb.

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POSIX is a meme.

UNIX was always shit, but it was the majority marketshare back in the day, thus if your shit was compatible with UNIX, that made it more functional.

Trying to be UNIX compatible in 2016 when desktop/servers/phones are 99% Windows/Linux is retarded.

>>59514447
>That's all that matters.
>implying a bunch of webshits matter
lol no

>Stay mad, stay retarded, and most importantly: stay poor you fucking pleb.
Stay homosexual, stay more homosexual, and most importantly stay the most homosexual fucking pleb.

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>>59514479
>homosexual
Sorry, I don't use Android or Google services.

>>59514792
>ceo of apple is openly gay
>t-totally not homosexual
>i-it's le ebil android
xD

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>>59514876
And? 50% of Android team is gay. Internal nickname for Android is Gaydroid because of it.

Google sells official gay t-shirts. Offical Android YT channels promotes same sex marriages. They even have official gay pride apps. Apple doesn't have any of that shit.

Stay mad, homophobe.

>>59514469
/thread

>>59514919
>y-you're just a homophobe
that's a very strong argument

>>59514119
>b-but you don't run it
Proofs?

I don't even give a fuck about UNIX, it's a rubber stamp. I'm glad Red Hat was too busy fixing Shellshock and Heartbleed (which Apple contributor exactly zero percent to fix, they just took advantage that other people can actually code) to give a shit about a certificate.

>>59514314
>not Unix
>NeXT/MacOS links to BSD and mach and not considered Unix

>Tru64 which links from ATT SysV and mach and considered Unix.

Are you implying that BSD isn't Unix?

>>59515493
>shellshock heartbleed
I wish Mac like FreeBSD would get away from that GNU shit anyway.

>>59515510
>I wish Apple would code anything lower-level than an office suite
Kek

>>59515510
Do you realize the only people who give a shit about muh UNIX certification are macfags? It doesn't tell you anything about the OS quality, proof of this is that 3 kernels held together by spit (aka the macOS kernel) managed to get certified.

>>59515510
>Are you implying that BSD isn't Unix?
Not him, but surely none of the free versions of BSD have any part of Unix left in them?

>>59515537
So they couldn't find crucial bugs in Bash and their entire OS is a patchwork of other OS's, yet you expect Apple to come up with a new set of coreutils?

>>59515614
POSIX and SUS has nothing to do with kernels you putz.

Mach kernels were used in SysV UNIX used in Alphaservers and Alphastations.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tru64_UNIX

>>59515625
That's up for debate. The unix systems group and BSDi settled out of court after Novell bought the Unix/UNIX rights and novell never monetized the name nor OS; they donated it to the opengroup. Some say a lot of code was rewritten and some say it was still in there.

>>59515655
Nope FreeBSD devs are a thing.

>>59515537
They are, with every release more GNU stuff is being replaced with BSD equivalents

>>59514469
MACTODDLERS BTFO

>>59515695
>That's up for debate.
Not, it isn't.
Berkeley's CSRG had already replaced most original UNIX code to sell BSD to the government by the time USL v. BSDi lawsuit hit, and that only sealed the deal by removing the (small amount of) residual UNIX code.
The free BSDs of today, being descended from 4.4BSD-Lite, have no original UNIX code in them.

>>59515695
>POSIX and SUS has nothing to do with kernels
Yes it does. Where do you think the syscalls defined by POSIX are implemented?
>look, one part of the patchwork was used here
How is this relevant? It's the only OS where the kernel wasn't intended for it. Linux was intended for a full OS. Windows NT was intended for Windows. None of the 3 kernels that compose the clusterfuck of the macOS kernel was intended for macOS.
>BSD devs are a thing
Ooh you expect BSD to create the actual hard part for Apple yet again. Well that does make more sense.

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>>59515804
>Not, it isn't.
No citations. BSD and ATT swapped code like baseball cards. There's BSD code in SysV. ATT didn't give a shit about selling Unix because at the time of BSD the US Government told ATT that they couldn't sell Unix. (it was part of the bell monopoly agreements)

>>59515813
>Yes it does. Where do you think the syscalls defined by POSIX are implemented?
In the kernel, but the implementation is not spec'd only the requirements as some anon has said before. Microkernel, monolithic, hybrid ..whatever doesn't fucking matter to the spec. So you cannot define Unix by the kernel type.

>>59515964
>In the kernel, but the implementation is not spec'd only the requirements as some anon has said before. Microkernel, monolithic, hybrid ..whatever doesn't fucking matter to the spec. So you cannot define Unix by the kernel type.
Oh I agree, and that's actually a reason why UNIX is basically irrelevant as a metric. Some anon earlier said that Windows with Ubuntu running in Virtual box at boot would be POSIX and I think it's probably true, even though it's a horrible implementation.

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>>59511410
Apple's back-end OS dev skills are questionable at best.

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>>59516107

>>59515964
>ATT didn't give a shit about selling Unix
Wrong. The great AT&T divestiture happened in the early 80s, and they were selling UNIX ever since. The USL v. BSDi lawsuit started in 1992, ten years after release of System III which was AT&T's first commercial UNIX.
The code swap is all fine and dandy, but AT&T's code was frequently encumbered by a proprietary license, which means that BSD could only be legally distributed to those who owned an AT&T UNIX license. That's why the effort to replace original UNIX code in BSD started - to make BSD freely available and unencumbered.

>No citations
Literally search through Wikipedia which has all the dates and links to the sources themselves.
But that would actually require something of you instead of being a retard that talks out of his ass.

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>>59516118

>>59516118
The story of XNU isn't entirely accurate. XNU was already a Mach/BSD kernel hybrid in the NeXTSTEP days, Apple simply updated the Mach version, updated the BSD components with FreeBSD components, and tweaked it.

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>>59511410
>Mac OS X
>Unix
>literally uses XNU
>XNU is a recursive acronym
>means "X is Not Unix"
Fuck off, you retard. The goddamn kernel name is telling you it's not fucking Unix.

>>59516141
>Wrong. The great AT&T divestiture happened in the early 80s
And by that time BSD was already in DEC Ultrix and SunOS. Nobody gave a fuck about ATT Unix until SysVR4 in the ealry 90's but it was too late to standardize Unix.

The only source is the judge ruling from the USL BSDi settlement which the judge didn't give two shit about because USL didn't own Unix at the time of the ruling. Novell said they would drop the suit after purchasing Unix.

>>59511410
That's it.

I don't even know where the fuck to begin... What you're refering to as Linux, is in fact, GNU/Linux, or as I've recently taken to calling it, GNU plus Linux. Linux is not an operating system unto itself, but rather another free component of a fully functioning GNU system made useful by the GNU corelibs, shell utilities and vital system components comprising a full OS as defined by POSIX. You think because you get to sit in your warm homes on a computer that you can just joke about horrible things like this? What the actual fuck is wrong with you guys? Sick fucks, doing this shit does fucking nothing. So you want to come on an imageboard to be an asshole about things like this? Let me tell you guys, you are all fucking weak. You would never be useful to the world with such behavior you present. Honestly why do people like you guys even exist? I’ll have you know I graduated top of my class in the Navy Seals, and I’ve been involved in numerous secret raids on Al-Quaeda, and I have over 300 confirmed kills. I am trained in gorilla warfare and I’m the top sniper in the entire US armed forces. You are nothing to me but just another target. If only you could have known what unholy retribution your little “clever” comment was about to bring down upon you, maybe you would have held your fucking tongue. You’re fucking dead, kiddo.

>>59516252
>Nobody gave a fuck about ATT Unix until SysVR4
Not entirely true. HP-UX is entirely based on SysIII and SysV, while AIX has large parts of SysV, along with Solaris (after they axed SunOS). Also other business-oriented Unices that are dead now.
SVR4 was just the big merge between the AT&T and Berkeley worlds. Although it is true that BSD derivatives were more popular.

Also, the terms of settlement are important because they specify the release of unencumbered 4.4BSD-lite, which is the basis for all modern BSDs.
For example, this is from FreeBSD's FAQ:
https://www.freebsd.org/doc/en_US.ISO8859-1/books/faq/introduction.html#idp54759400
Which directly proves that modern BSDs only contain very minute traces of original UNIX code, if at all at this point in time.

so wait if it is agreed macOS is the most widespread unix distribution, doesnt it objectively make it the best OS?

because UNIX is always > Linux and Linux > windows NT. macOS is UNIX so macOS>linux>windowsNT?

wtf I thought macOS is shitty OS and not even unix???

>>59517345
You just fell for dumb memes, OS X is both great and UNIX

>>59517345
macshit was always trash and was never unix, and never will be

>>59517472
Apple is the Sun Microsystems of today.

>>59511628
>>59511681
>>59512044
>>59512103
>>59513455
>>59513734
>>59513883
See >>59514054

>>59517716
/g/ where nobody knows anything about computers except what they see in memes from a patagonian moss ointment factory

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>>59517716
>not knowing the different kinds of Unix OS's

>>59517893
/thread

OSX is a clusterfuck hackjob pile of shit with posix commands hamfistedly shoehorned in.

>>59511974
being the most friendly to final user OS makes it gay then the majority of the world is gay since it is most a bunch of computer iliterates.

>>59518208
>OSX is a clusterfuck hackjob pile of shit with posix commands hamfistedly shoehorned in.
You just described most Commercial UNIX systems aside from Solaris which was co-developed with ATT

Look at AIX for a real clusterfuck.

>>59517716
See >>59513455

>>59513841
>What does Linux stand for?

>>59513841
>Linux is UNIX-certified
No. Two Linux distros are. The rest aren't. And it's a ~4000 page spec, far from just a rubber stamp.

>>59511410
OS X is Unix, a certified Unix OS, and it's also Unix in the sense that it provides a complete Unix user environment and complies with POSIX and the Single Unix Speficiation.

It's more Unix than other Unix OS's, the fact that it uses a microkernel design is irrelevant.

>>59517893
>>59518208
>retards

macOS is a BSD derivative you fucking idiots. That pic explicitly says those are Genetic UNIces

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>>59517893
>macOS isn't a genetic UNIX
>the city of (You)

If BSD is then macOS is because it's a BSD. Pic related.

>>59520790
>has BSD code header
>thinks it's genetic BSD
Yeah, and win95 had BSD code in it too for IP networking. Do you think win95 was genetic BSD?

>>59520817
I know this is bait, but if you think it's just a code header you need to go back to réddit.

And to the extent the old code has been written out, you miss the point of the term "genetic."

>>59511410
Fifth, sixth, seventh icons from the right spell out the word "cash" in Hebrew
קאש

>>59520817
Are you really this dumb?

The Microkernel comes from NeXT which was BSD UNIX and the next level up in the stack is BSD.

You may be unaware that prior to OS X, macOS referred to a fundamentally different OS and the branding changed.

The current macOS is derived from NeXT which was a genetic unix by your definition.

Either way, whether you want to UNIX 03 or genetic, macOS is UNIX and it's the most widely deployed one.

>>59520817
yeah but win95 didn't try to win faggots over by "look muh UNIX"

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>>59520871
>>59520913
>thinking MacOS X had BSD code in it.

It was always FreeBSD which in the FreeBSD FAQ says it's not UNIX.

>>59512103
Any illumos distro should be sufficient if you want a genetic UNIX.

>>59521018
MACTODDLERS BTFO

>>59521018
No, idiot. It was 4.4BSD. (=

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>>59521448
>macfags in charge of reading comprehension.

>>59511410
It's like using FreeBSD on a laptop.

Mac OS X is compliant to the SuS and POSIX.

Remember Linux is UNIX-like and with systemd, the departure from UNIX is even more pronounced.

>tfw no proper support for BSD

>>59514919
>Google sells official gay t-shirts. Offical Android YT channels promotes same sex marriages. They even have official gay pride apps. Apple doesn't have any of that shit.

and why do you think that is?

gays are just an exploitable crowd for marketers.

if gay went out of fashion tomorrow, they would drop you like a stone.

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>>59522086

>>59517716
The Open Group is an advertising company, not a tech company.

In case you hadn't noticed, this is /g/, not /biz/. What matters is the tech, not the advertising material.

>>59522167
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Tvp97SMZc6M

>>59520892
That's funny. Wonder if Microsoft did it intentionally.

They seem like pretty good goyim.

>>59521517
Is systemd really that much more of a departure from Unix than launchd?

Even so, is it really a departure from Unix? Is there anything about Unix that says you have to bootstrap the system and maintain the daemons using a clusterfuck of scripts and pidfiles?

>>59522345
Well it's a huge departure from the philosophy and generally an awful idea in practice with or without the unix.
>binary logs

>>59522167
An advertising company which had IBM, Sun, HP, Apple, and Silicon Graphics pay for review. Kinda like construction companies who pay advertisers before they're allowed to hand over to the buyer or students who pay universities before they get that slip of paper. Nothing prevents people from bringing BSD and Linux up to code.

>>59522167
Yeah, much like underwriters labs and ANSI!

>freetards are this stupid.

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>>59511410
>is macOS really unix
Yes

>is unix better than linux?
No

>>59511628
>MacOS is UNIX-like, not UNIX.
It is UNIX.

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>>59525295
>is unix better than linux?
Of course it is. Anyone who prefers Linux to pic related has never step foot in a datacenter.

>is unix better than linux?
>is a certification better than an operating system?

/g/ - Technolo/b/

>>59525329
>unix-like os
>certification like os

Doesn't make since, dodo.

>>59525318
The 90s are over, Anon.

>>59513883
>lying on the internet

>>59514314
>chinkpad drones implying that the clusterfuck know as Linux is TRUE UNIX (tm) because is "better written"

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>>59511410
I'd just like to interject for a moment. What you're referring to as Linux, is in fact, GNU/Linux, or as I've recently taken to calling it, GNU plus Linux. Linux is not an operating system unto itself, but rather another free component of a fully functioning GNU system made useful by the GNU corelibs, shell utilities and vital system components comprising a full OS as defined by POSIX.

Many computer users run a modified version of the GNU system every day, without realizing it. Through a peculiar turn of events, the version of GNU which is widely used today is often called "Linux", and many of its users are not aware that it is basically the GNU system, developed by the GNU Project.

There really is a Linux, and these people are using it, but it is just a part of the system they use. Linux is the kernel: the program in the system that allocates the machine's resources to the other programs that you run. The kernel is an essential part of an operating system, but useless by itself; it can only function in the context of a complete operating system. Linux is normally used in combination with the GNU operating system: the whole system is basically GNU with Linux added, or GNU/Linux. All the so-called "Linux" distributions are really distributions of GNU/Linux.

>>59511410

UNIX is a trademark, if you want your OS to be UNIX, you basically buy a certificate

>>59525403
Heh, I wish it were the 2005 - 2010 era Solaris
>Free with the CDDL
>that ZFS
>that SMF init
>Them zones virtualization
>that dtrace

It was the height of production ready systems.

>>59511410
linux is juat a kernel, OP
the OS is GNU, which is unix-like

The only real UNIX today is macOS.
Stay mad, freetards.

DAILY REMINDER THAT THE SUPOSSEDLY INFERIOR DARWIN HAS A PROPER IPC SYSTEM.

>>59511410
should it matter?

>>59525529
2018 is going to be the year of the micro kernel

>>59525542
yes, because you can recompile your posix binaries and they will work in macOS.

>>59525545
>inb4 edge lords spouting bullshit about microkernels using early 90's maymays

>>59525529
Why yelling? Ever heard of netiquette?

so wait if it is agreed macOS is the most widespread unix distribution, doesnt it objectively make it the best OS?

because UNIX is always > Linux and Linux > windows NT. macOS is UNIX so macOS>linux>windowsNT?

wtf I thought macOS is shitty OS and not even unix???

Daily reminder that POSIX was help started by FSF advocate Richard Stallman, even giving it it's name. UNIX the tradename given by completing the SUS requirements which has merged with POSIX.

Stallman wanted POSIX as a standard as it's easier to clone standards based software.

>>59525568
>netiquette
KEK

>>59525548
>recompile
Don't even need to that, friend. Converting between ELF and Mach-o is trivial.

>>59525608
Really? That's good news.

>>59525582
>because UNIX is always > Linux
Where did you get that idea?

Linux = free software
HP-UX = proprietary software
AIX = proprietary software

>>59525582
GNU/Linux*

>>59525626
>Linux = free software
No. Linux contains non-free, binary software, so called "blobs", with makes the mainline kernel nonfree software.

>>59525621
I spoke a bit quick, though, you need to convert syscalls too, which is non-trivial. And you'd also need to link in correct versions of libc (tedious as fuck) and whatever other runtimes and dynamically linked libraries your application use.

So it's often more easy to just recompile.

>>59525647
>No. Linux contains non-free, binary software, so called "blobs", with makes the mainline kernel nonfree software.
No, it doesn't. Many distros, however, come with this, but mainline Linux do not contain any blobs.

>>59525647
this

>>59525626
Linux-Libre is free software, vanilla Linux isn't

>>59525673
>Linux-Libre is free software, vanilla Linux isn't
It is. Please link to any non-free software in Linux source.

>>59525667

All of Linuxdom come with blobs.

>>59525693
It actually isn't, and it isn't any news. Linux isn't free software since 1993 when Torvalds accepted the first nonfree blob.

>>59525722
There are no blobs. You could easily link to any of them to prove me wrong, but you can't because there aren't any.

>>59525582
>>59517345

>>59525626
"Proprietary" and "bad" are not synonyms.

>>59525632
*Linux

>>59525742
>"Proprietary" and "bad" are not synonyms.
I didn't say that, but proprietary means that I cannot run it or modify it for whatever reason I want to.

>>59525764
Still doesn't make it worse than Linux

>tfw no BeOS based macOS
Why?

>>59525772
Not only does it make them worse, anon, it makes them completely useless in a plethora of use cases.

>>59525736
Here are the scripts used to deblob vanilla linux: https://www.fsfla.org/svn/fsfla/software/linux-libre/scripts/
You can find the proprietary parts there.

>>59525784
They wanted more money than Apple cared to throw at them

>>59525785
It doesn't make them worse.
>it makes them completely useless in a plethora of use cases
In those cases they are worse.

>>59525793
I asked for a link to proprietary blobs in mainline Linux, not scripts to make a Debian release proprietary-free.

>>59525823
Debian?

>>59525833
Yes, Debian. Debian add their own patches to the kernel.

>>59525833
he's stupid, just don't reply

>>59525823
Dude, not the anon that posted the script but if you can't find the blobs from his link then you have no idea what a blob is.

>>59525840
Debian and Linux-libre aren't the same thing. Do you even know what you're talking about?

>macOS kernel is literally called "XNU's not Unix"
>i-i-i-i-iits e-e-eunix g-gg-uys i s-s-w-ear look at this cuckstamp apple paid for!

>>59525855
The blobs are, among other things, for a proprietary Radeon driver (which many distros, such as Debian, include). This is definitively not found in mainline Linux.

>>59525869
>being autistic

>>59525860
It's a tool to run it through a distro's own Linux source and "deblob" it. That's not at all the same as mainline Linux containing blobs. For example, a bunch of the drivers it looks for aren't even found in mainline Linux.

Just install Windows, no autism here, just professional software and entertaining games.

>>59525870
Fine, retard
Right there in the Linux source tree.

https://github.com/torvalds/linux/blob/5924bbecd0267d87c24110cbe2041b5075173a25/firmware/atmsar11.HEX

looks like a blob to me.

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>>59525903
this is clearly source code

>>59525916
>source code in the directory named "blobl"

heh.

>>59525807
I know the story, lad. They basically wanted to buy Jobs back to Apple more than NeXTSTEP.
I still wish they have bought BeOS and made macOS based on it.

>>59525902
>no autism here
>entertaining games

only autismos play videogames on a pc

>>59525925
>directory named blob
That's the GitHub URL you fucking mongoloid

>>59525742
>"Proprietary" and "bad" are not synonyms.
Proprietary -> Slavery -> Bad

>>59525947
oh, I've never used github before.

still a blob.

>>59525964
>source: my arse

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>>59525988
What the fuck did you just fucking say about me, you proprietary slave? I’ll have you know I graduated top of my class at Harvard, and I’ve been involved in numerous free software projects, and I have contributed to over 300 core-utils for GNU. I am skilled in Lisp and I’m St. IGNU-cius, saint of the Church of Emacs. You are nothing to me but just another unethical non-free software advocate. I will distribute the fuck out of your source code with freedom the likes of which has never been seen before on this Earth, mark my fucking words. You think you can get away with saying that shit about me and the GPL on the Internet? Think again, fucker. As we speak I am contacting my colleagues at FSF and your binaries are being reversed engineered right now so you better prepare for the storm, maggot. The storm that wipes out the pathetic little thing you call your copyright. You're fucking dead, kid. Free software can be anywhere, anytime, and it can ensure your freedom in over four ways, and that’s just with the GPLv2. Not only am I extensively skilled at C hacking, but I have access to the source of the entire GNU userland and core-utils and I will use it to its full extent to wipe your miserable proprietary code off the face of the continent, you little shit. If only you could have known what ethical retribution your little “clever” program was about to bring down upon you, maybe you would have ensured your users' freedom. But you couldn’t, you didn’t, and now you’re paying the price, you goddamn idiot. I will shit free as in freedom all over you and you will drown in it. You’re fucking dead, kiddo.

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>>59525902

>>59525964
Nobody gives a shit about your distorted freetard logic.

>>59526057
It's simple logic. Either the user controls the program (when it is free software) or the program controls the user (when you can't share, modify, or even be sure what the program does).

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>this whole thread

>>59526094
It's fucking retarded. If the program works well, that's all that matters.

>>59526138
>make embedded chip
>but can't sell it because the license for the embedded OS doesn't allow you

Now it fucking matters

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>>59526130
I cropped your meme. Please excuse the autism.

>>59526156
Obviously that doesn't fall under works well

>>59526183
nice meme

>>59514109
They didn't get far with it.

Maybe they should have made it windows-compliant.

is windows unix-like when it can run ubuntu on windows 10

>>59526184
>"the program works well"
I interpreted this as "the program functions well", which I would argue is the most reasonable interpretation of that statement.

However, using your interpretation, "working well" is a label that applies to free software far more often than proprietary software, due to the commercial aspect of using free software in products alone. This could therefore very well be generalized to a statement such as "Free software > proprietary software".

>inb4 irrational GPL hatred
I would like to remind everyone that FreeBSD license, MIT license, MPL (Mozilla Public License), ISC License etc are also considered free licenses, and software released under these licenses are used in all sorts of products.

>>59526244
Is a swimming pool a chicken when you glue feathers on it?

>>59511410
Well according to both Apple and the GNU project:
XNU: X is Not UNIX
GNU: GNU's not Unix
Although they are both essentially close enough to UNIX.
It's just a matter Apple was willing to pay for UNIX certification whilst I think licensing prevents BSD and Linux from going for it.

>>59514109
>which is pretty much the only interest in unix apple has had
A/UX ring a bell?

>>59526283
Bing is not google.

>>59526283
GNU*

>>59526263
Well it doesn't have too much functionality if it can't be distributed to the users. Use a different OS.

>>59526263
>However, using your interpretation, "working well" is a label that applies to free software far more often than proprietary software
Are you retarded?

>>59526306
Linux*

>>59526321
Android*

>>59526283
There are two UNIX certified Linux distros. It's not licensing, it's cost. They're not going to spend $15k on certification when they can spend put it towards improving the OS.

>>59526320
>it works well if it works well therefore proprietary is gud
Nice logic

>>59526306
i can run linux without any gnu, gnufags btfo
>>59526321
i can run gnu without any linux, linuxfags btfo
>>59526334
i can run linux without any android, androidfags btfo

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>>59525318
Ok grampa

>>59526348
Yes, but can you really go far as even decided what to go more look like?

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>>59526340
Linux is the name of the kernel that Linus Torvalds developed starting in 1991. The operating system in which Linux is used is basically GNU with Linux added. To call the whole system “Linux” is both unfair and confusing. Please call the complete system GNU/Linux, both to give the GNU Project credit and to distinguish the whole system from the kernel alone.

>>59525318
>has never step foot in a datacenter.
Yeah, all those Intel hypervisor software for Solaris, am i rite.

>>59526348
A beautiful desaster.

>>59525945
That has got to be a shitton of autists then.

>>59526348
just use bsd

>>59526413
There's like a hundred different ones

>>59526342
If it does what it should do and it saves me time which results in saved money then it works well you complete fuckin mongoloid.

>HURR DURR I SPENT HOURS AND HOURS DOIN SHIT OTHERS NEED MINUTES FOR BUT I AM FREE SO THAT IS GOOD HURR DURR

>>59526455
See >>59526156

It's the chain of posts you responded to. Now kill yourself for being a burden to your parents and society.

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>>59526455
>buying software
>saving money

>>59526376
Eat a dick.

>>59526582
*dick/genitalia

or as I've recently taken to calling it

dick+vagina

>>59526340
you've been spouting about these 2 linux distros, what are they?

>>59526660
K-UX and EulerOS

>>59526386
>hypervisor software for Solaris
xen or even better is containerization with zones.

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