pedofag gets REKT

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HOW CAN THEY JAIL YOU IF YOU TELL THEM YOU DON'T REMEMBER THE PASSWORD BECAUSE YOU HAVE IT ON PIECE OF PAPER AND YOU CANNOT FIND IT

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>>59509299
>What do you think of all this?

The US legal system sure is fucked.

>The authorities, however, said no testimony was needed from Rawls. Rather, they said, (PDF) "he can keep his passwords to himself" and "produce his computer and hard drives in an unencrypted state."

What did they mean by this?

I'm definitely against pedophilia (real pedophilia not statutory rape) but this is plain retarded.

I mean how is them saying 'they know there's child porn' an actual proof of there being it on his hard drive? How do they know such things are true when they can't even access the hard drives?

>>59509299
>he authorities said they already know there's child porn on the drives
If they know there is child porn in there then they have childporn saved in their brains, they should be imprisoned.

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GUILTY UNTIL PROVEN INNOCENT
HAIL HAIL FREEDONIA

>>59509299
Seems like this guy is going to get one fuck huge lawsuit going assuming he doesn't settle.

>>59509349
read the article, they were monitoring his activities and his sister said he showed her such images. But I'm suspicious of it because they still haven't charged him on it.

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>cross us border
>carry an empty harddrive
>border police asks me to decrypt my harddrive
>can't decrypt because there isn't anything to decrypt
>get jailed indefinitely

>>59509349
Guilty until proven innocent
>>59509299
Who says what's innocent or not? Anti gov agenda could be considered guilty.

>>59509299
Good.

>>59509299
Nothing to hide so nothing to fear, encryption is just a sign of guilt. Only criminals need to hide themselves.

>>59509410
Yet the government and any business worth anything encrypts their shit. That really gets those neurons activated.......

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Hey reddit
Go back to >>>/r/jailbait

>>59509299
Murica xdddd

>>59509322
this is actually pretty scary desu, americucks are getting fucked boiss

>>59509299
The laws are increasingly open to interpretation it seems.

Time to write a nice little dd script to nuke those drives on boot. One cant decrypt something that no longer exists.

>>59509299
But anon, I don't have my hard drives encrypted.

I think I'm glad I live in a first world country and have rights.

>>59509546
If it gets to the point that they are now demanding you to decrypt your drives, you have already failed multiple times on earlier steps for giving them any reason to suspect you have something illicit hiding there.

All signs point that this guy is guilty, hashes, sister, activity online. Even if he managed to nuke his drives, they would find a way to indict him.

>>59509299
>they already know there's child porn on the drives
So, provide your evidence and get it into court? Prove he's guilty.
Oh, wait, you can't because you have nothing and you hang on "he's drive is encrypted" straw so your case won't drown like a rock.

>>59509299
>((((("""""murikan law""""")))))

>>59509299
> tfw the new Apple file system will have encryption by default
> tfw it's built in
> tfw cyber forensics will get BTFO
> tfw american law will require you to remember your password
> tfw if you don't remember, you will get jailed forever
TOP KEK, US is really a meme

>>59509299
You guys are fucking dumb, the huge amount of files had matching hashes of known child pornography.

>americans

>>59509637
what files, you dumb idiot?
drive was fully encrypted. You can't prove there are any files on it

>>59509546
>The laws are increasingly open to interpretation it seems

That is indeed what a common law system entails, a judge who is well versed in matters of present technology will rule differently than one who does not.

What is completely retarded is the ruling by the court of appeal on their interpretation of the 5th amendment. They should all be hung for that gross travesty of justice.

A ruling like that doesn't only affect those who are accused of downloading child pornography but anyone who uses software security.

>>59509637
That's what they say. They need actual evidence to prove it which they can't have it. If they can't prove it then he is not guilty. Hence this discussion.

>Muh ebil police
Laws the law niggers and it's just. You just want encryption so you can break the law. If there were secure asymmetrical backdoors justice could be served

>>59509493
Are you implying you want to give Russians and koreans access to the US nuclear ordnance just to justify them having access to your child pornography?

>>59509673
>Laws the law niggers and it's just

No, it isn't you idiot. Take a course in law when you're done finishing high school before you make idiotic statements like this.

>>59509299
> they already know there's child porn on the drives
I think I know there's CP on your drives, OP. Stay where you are, prepare your anus.

>>59509684
nuclear computer systems aren't even connected to the outside world at all

>>59509684
If you think the Russians or Koreans can crack access to Nuclear Ordinance through the internet then arguing with people on 4chan is the least of your worries. I'd argue you should be more focused on not forgetting how to breath.

>>59509371
These were my thoughts as well. If he was a pedophile, it should be easy to find proof which doesn't involve decryption.

>get nervous and type the wrong password 3 times
>get locked out

>>59509299
>however, the authorities said they already know there's child porn on the drives, so Rawls' constitutional rights aren't compromised.

How do they know?

>>59509724
Why would they need to crack it? The US government should be just as public as they expect their citizens to be. We should all have access to nuclear launch controls actually!

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>>59509755
Come on, i think we all know.

>>59509410
Encryption is useful for storing customer information, personal financial information, corporate or technical details of cutting edge tech, etc.

But all of these things could be shown to the feds, since it would be highly illegal for them to sell or share said information

>libcucks are defending degeneracy rather than celebrating based police doing justice
This is why we need trump, he'll clean up liberal cuckoldry.

BEYOND ALL REASONABLE DOUBT

>cucked by government

This means they could jail anyone undefinitely just by raiding some poor man house and then encrypting his hdd.

>>59509855
You can't just raid houses beyond reasonable doubt.

>Trump builds a wall and writes 2 EO's to ban Pedro Mohammed
>Pedro Mohammeds now carry encrypted but empty hardrives as a matter of principle
>Checkmate deportation

>>59509855
Well, you can jail people by "finding" drugs during raid, too.

You pedos are going down, trump is going to stop the immoral use of encryption and linux to make america great while you degenerates get rightfully shot by police.

>>59509341
5th amendment? No?

>>59509299
If he really did have CP he's better off keeping the drives encrypted. It could get him off the hook in the future if he appeals again and his case is overturned. At the very least it will cast enough doubt on his guilt to slightly reduced the chance of getting shanked in prison... but he is a cop so that kind of undoes it.

>>59509878
You can if they're Mexican.

>>59509299
Is the the one where they see the pedo shit in the "encryption code"

>Forensic examination also disclosed that Doe [Rawls] had downloaded thousands of files known by their "hash" values to be child pornography.
seems legit

>>59509919
Spics don't deserve constitutional rights, just further proof encryption is for degenerates since non-whites use it to hide their criminal activity.

>>59509374
>his sister said he showed her such images

Accusations from a single unreliable party.
>teehee oniisan, now you'll regret not sharing that last haagen daaz with me

>>59509637
This doesn't make sense to me. Shouldn't the hash be completely different from theirs since he used a different key? If they can match the hash then they would have to know the key

>>59509958
>Defending a spic
Fuck off cuck

>>59509932
Why they can't use this "legit" information to get him into real jail? They had 3 years to use it.

>>59509637
I thought the drive was encrypted?

http://scholarship.law.berkeley.edu/cgi/viewcontent.cgi?article=1069&context=clrcircuit

Shit is fucked up and bullshit... but at least I can carry a gun and make racist jokes without going to jail.

>>59509964
>calling a nigger a spic
>still saying cuck
I think you know where you need to go.

Uhh what about hidden containers?

Also two fucking hard drives for cp?
Thats one dedicated pedo.
Prolly was into gay baby rape.

>>59510003
He had a spic sounding name

>>59509986
lol wait until the police find hashes tied to bomb making and school GPS locations then arrest you on terrorist charges, pleb.

>>59509299
They don't have proof but they're imprisoning him indefinitely anyways because they want him to disclose proof against himself.
Truly the land of the free.

>>59510017
if you bothered to read the fucking official complaint, you would realize there is a lot more going than that you fucking tool

>>59510008
'hidden' containers are still detectable

>>59510011
Rawls?

>>59509299
>the authorities said they already know
What. If they already knew why did they even need his drive in the first place?

I'm assuming in that case he confessed? If he didn't, this is literally a "guilty until proven innocent" scenario.

>>59509299
Encrypt it in a way that you can claim that you're physically incapable of decrypting it later.

>>59510041
read the complaint

>>59510016
>gps
lol no
never

>>59509602
>Even if he managed to nuke his drives, they would find a way to indict him.

clearly this is not the case

>>59509299
Is a court order different than a warrant? Because can't the law pretty much search anything assuming they have a warrant? I don't see what would make hard drives different from any other personal property.

>>59510034
>if you bothered to read the fucking official complaint, you would realize there is a lot more going than that you fucking tool

not really, they are holding him in prison for not unencrypting his drives, period

This shit is going to end in the defendants favor eventually. No one is ever found innocent in court, only guilty or not guilty. They can't prove he's guilty so they have nothing.

>>59510073
read the complaint

>>59510067
>Is a court order different than a warrant? Because can't the law pretty much search anything assuming they have a warrant? I don't see what would make hard drives different from any other personal property.

They can't search encrypted drives because they are encrypted

why can't he just say he forgot the password

>>59510073
See foregone conclusion doctrine.
See >>59509986

>>59510081

I did

there is other shit going on giving them reason to suspect him, but at the end of the day literally the only reason he is in prison is for not decrypting the drive

no pedo charges

>>59510034
I did read, traffic monitoring data is not conclusive proof and either is his sister speaking against him.
I'm not saying he shouldn't get fucked tho, just that they are going to dangerously extreme to get him arrested.

>>59510095
And the document explains why he is being held for not encrypting, which in this case makes perfect sense.

>>59510076
Doe voluntarily provided the password for
the Apple iPhone 5S, but refused to provide the
passwords to decrypt the Apple Mac Pro
computer or the external hard drives. Despite
Doe’s refusal, forensic analysts discovered
the password to decrypt the Mac Pro Computer,
but could not decrypt the external hard drives.
Forensic examination of the Mac Pro revealed an image of a pubescent girl in a sexually provocative position and logs showing that the Mac Pro had been used to visit sites with titles common in child exploitation, such as “toddler_cp,” “lolicam,” “tor-childporn,” and “pthc.”(App. 39.) The Forensic examination also disclosed that Doe had downloaded thousands of files known by their “hash” values to be child pornography. The files, however, were not on the Mac Pro, but instead had been stored on the encrypted external hard drives.Accordingly, the files themselves could not be accessed.

>>59510095
But if he did encrypt the drive, do you have any doubt there would be pedo charges?

Again, foregone conclusion doctrine.

>>59510085
>>>59510073 (You)
>See foregone conclusion doctrine.
>See >>59509986

but they are making him testify against himself by providing the password, that's 5ammendment

>>59509299

Goddamn OP, have you no reading reading comprehension?

You can't put someone in Jail because he has an encrypted hard drive. But in this case they got:
-the IP logs which showed he downloaded CP
-at least one unencrypted CP image on his pc
-the hash sums that give evidence of the CP pics

It's not like they piced up some random dude, they already know he's done it but can't access the files.

Also:
>Decrypt to prove you are innocent or stay in jail forever even though you are innocent?

Of course getting free.

>If you actually have nothing to hide and decrypt it under court order or for police investigation, why do you encrypt it in the first place?

Make it as hard as possible to get my data. That's like asking "why are you using a belt when a crash with 150 miles per hour would kill you anyway?"


>You have nothing to hide anyway so why do you care if someone steals it?

Because it's not their business, apparently?

>>59510145
>not reading the link provided
>maintaining an untenable position solely on principle

>>59510125
That's not the issue here, were not defending the pedo. We're worried that imprisoning people because they refuse to decrypt their data becomes normal.

>>59510114
>And the document explains why he is being held for not encrypting, which in this case makes perfect sense.

do you mean not decrypting?

he could have forgot the password, regardless making him state the password is testimony against himself, handing over the drives satisfies the court order, making him testify against himself violates his rights

>>59510125
>But if he did encrypt the drive, do you have any doubt there would be pedo charges?

do you mean decrypt?

I don't know for all I know he deleted all the cp before the cops got there and the drives are blank upon decryption

if the conclusion is so forgone and they have so much evidence against him, prosecute without the drives

>>59510164
yes, not decrypting

and no, you are wrong. he gave up his rights when he downloaded cp, sorry kiddo

>>59510157

that Berkeley link does not work for me, i get a blank page

>>59510183
Better to just let a pedo rot in jail for eternity.

>>59510184
>and no, you are wrong. he gave up his rights when he downloaded cp, sorry kiddo

allegedly

and no the fuck he didnt, he still has the right to a trial, the right not to incriminate himself and many other rights such as not to be cruelly and unusually punished

>>59510164
Doe, however, stated that he could not remember the passwords necessary to decrypt the hard drives and entered several incorrect passwords during the forensic examination.
Based on the evidence presented at the
hearing, the Magistrate Judge found that Doe remembered the passwords needed to decrypt the hard drives but chose not to reveal them because of the devices’ contents.

>>59510202
Nope. Read the complaint.

So if it was a foregone conclusion that the drives contained CP, why did they need to check them?

>>59510196
>Better to just let a pedo rot in jail for eternity.

I don't care that the guy is a pedo, if this were drug smuggling info he allegedly had or noods of his wife or whatever the same thing applies, he should not have to provide testimony against himself

>>59510184
That's not how constitutional rights work. You don't just lose your 5th amendment rights for any reason.

If the cops KNEW without a doubt that he had it on there why don't they prosecute him for the crime? Why do they need the drives decrypted? To prove their case? That means they don't actually know he has it on there which means his 5th is being breached

>>59510162
http://scholarship.law.berkeley.edu/cgi/viewcontent.cgi?article=1069&context=clrcircuit

>The argument runs like this. The Fifth Amendment generally bars forced incrimination. But under the foregone conclusion exception, the government can compel a person to produce anything (say, a car) where it reasonably knows the car exists. So too with encrypted computers. The government can force a person to decrypt a hard drive because it always knows that an encrypted hard drive has a corresponding unencrypted version. Ergo, forcing decryption and production of a now-unencrypted computer is a foregone conclusion and, therefore, constitutional.

>>59510206
>Nope. Read the complaint.

yup he still has the rights of an american citizen, it does not say in the complaint that he no longer has the right to not be cruelly and unusually punished

>>59509322
It's not that he doesn't remember its that he invoked his 5th

>>59510224
Read the complaint.

>>59510183
>if the conclusion is so forgone and they have so much evidence against him, prosecute without the drives

fair point

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What's next? Thought crime?

>>59510203

wow the judge can read minds, impressive

>>59510224
>If the cops KNEW without a doubt that he had it on there why don't they prosecute him for the crime?
The suspect's attorney, Federal Public Defender Keith Donoghue, was disappointed by the ruling.

"The fact remains that the government has not brought charges," Donoghue said in a telephone interview. "Our client has now been in custody for almost 18 months based on his assertion of his Fifth Amendment right against compelled self-incrimination."

His is quite stupid. What comes next? Guilty if you hire a lawyer? 'Cus you know, if you were >really< innocent then you wouldn't need one, now would ya?

There should be 2 passwords for encrypted drives

one decrypts the drive, one destroys all information on the drive and makes it irretrievable .....

better to do 6 months for destroying evidence than 20 years for being a pedo

>>59510238
It seems that they're using the forgone clause to nail him for being in contempt but not the crime he was accused of which they supposedly know he did but can't prove he did but the fact that they merely SAID they knew means they can throw it away

>>59510192
https://papers.ssrn.com/sol3/papers.cfm?abstract_id=2568654

>>59510251
It's almost like they want to erode the 5th.
Soon.

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>>59509299
"innocent until proven guilty"

>>59510266
>files are mounted read-only
>try bin the container
>well well fucko, what'd you do that for?

>>59510241
They already have it in Europe. Deny the holocaust and see where that gets you.
Hell, we have thought crime in the states too. What else is hate crime but extra punishment for wrongthink?

Hey /g/ what'ts better, an encrypted container or full HD encryption?
The container is more practical to me, but I don't know how safe it is.

>>59510269

https://www.wired.com/2012/02/laptop-decryption-unconstitutional/

the matter is not settled

>>59510279
"not reading the thread before posting"

sup, phonefag

>>59509299
They say they already know there is child porn on there but still insist on him decrypting it. NOT SO FUCKING SURE AFTER
ALL HU?

This is exactly the reason why I always keep 1 Gig of encrypted flash animations on my hard drive.
This way I would get 2 weeks of neat free prison food just to decrypt it afterwards and get reparations.

>>59510119
holy fuck how can pedos be so fucking dumb?

>be a fucking pedo
>of course they have to be fucking babies because thats the end point for most fucking dumb normie pedos
>using APPLEL for cp
>prolly googled for cp on safari while he was logged in
>lol cant even fucking into incognito mode
>downloaded the rest through tor with the default config
>prolly had JS on
>never bothered to even wipe his fucking APPLEL from cp
>showed his sister his baby rape collection

I don't even give a fuck about his encrypted drives. He should be punished for being a fucking dumbass regardless. Fuck him. Baby rappers are scum.

>>59510303

full HD

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>>59510266
>There should be 2 passwords for encrypted drives
>one decrypts the drive, one destroys all information on the drive and makes it irretrievable .....
>better to do 6 months for destroying evidence than 20 years for being a pedo

why is this not a thing?

>>59510119
>toddler
shit taste, lock him up

>>59510322
good plan anon

>>59509341
They're saying: If he doesn't want to tell them what the actual password is, that's fine- he can equivalently enter it himself and thereby give them access to the content.

>>59510336
Because it's fucking stupid and will never work.
Drives are mounted read-only by any competent agency.

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Soon they will come for fags who have 2D cartoons.

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>>59510342
>toddler
too old

>>59510295
Any crime requires a degree of hate to carry it out so that means all crimes are hate crimes.

>>59510380
tumblr reasoning

>>59510363

how can you decrypt in read only anon

>>59510391
I'm saying hate crime laws are pointless since any crime from petty theft to murder can be made to look like one.

>>59510292
Suggestion: Drive firmware that detects if it's being imaged (long sequential reads starting from the beginning) and wipes itself.

>>59510399
Why would you need to write anything?
>Read data
>Decrypt it in RAM
>Print it out on screen / write it somewhere else.

What has /g/ become?

>>59510402
Maybe... I guess... probably not.
The point was that an extra punishment for certain motivations for certain crimes exists, effectively making certain thoughts punishable by law... aka thoughtcrime.

>>59510450
my only friend

>>59510399
The decrypted container is mounted to a separate drive.
If you mounted an empty ("destroyed") container, they'll instantly know you entered it.

>>59510431
More doable.
However if you pissed off someone large enough, your disc platters will be removed and read by a universal drive enclosure instead.

>america
And I thought North Korea was bad

>>59510479
Welcome to the thread.
Feel free to read the fucking thing.

>>59510323
To be fair, the dumb pedos are the ones you hear about. You'll never hear about smart pedos.

>>59510224
Because it's not a fifth amendment issue.

The fifth amendment protects you from testifying or incriminating yourself. It does NOT magically make you immune from seizure.

For example, let's say you're a suspect in a murder. They found some blood or fingerprints at the crime scene, and they want to compare it with yours. You're legally REQUIRED to provide a blood sample or fingerprint, and refusing to do so can get you jailed. Providing such a sample wouldn't be incriminating yourself.

The only way to avoid seizure is if providing the requested material requires an unreasonable amount of effort, which is subjective. A court can't reasonably order you to find a single page in a room of unorganized cabinets filled with thousands of documents, for example.

>>59510491
tl;dr

>>59510517

apparently they can't make you provide the combination to a safe to unlock it, they can get a warrant and break into the safe, but they can't make you provide the combination

how is this any different

>>59510119
>The Forensic examination also disclosed that Doe had downloaded thousands of files known by their “hash” values to be child pornography.

So there's the proof he downloaded cp, why can't they prosecute based on that?

>>59510537
That's obvious.
So, what kind of phone are you on today?

>>59510545
Someone could argue it was planted on him or they made up about the hashes, they would need proof they unlocked and decrypted it to prove there really was stuff there.

>>59510545
>So there's the proof he downloaded cp, why can't they prosecute based on that?

that's evidence but it's not proof

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>>59510241
You betcha!

>>59510582
How fucking ironic is that coming from the UK

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>>59510559
Nothing too special

>>59510214

Because they know that if they take it to court it wouldn't be too hard to show the jury that their "hashes" are made up bullshit.

Let's say there is CP on the drives, is he better off never decrypting them and sitting in prison for not complying with the judges orders, or is he better off decrypting the drives and going to prison as a pedo and getting his ass kicked or killed?

What should be his game plan from a practical point of view?

Seems like holding someone for life for simply not obeying a judges order is cruel and unusual punishment

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>>59510626
Convicted pedos go into the sex offender unit.

Normies hate hearing that their fantasies of pedos and rapists getting butt fucked in jail is completely made up.

>but t-t-the guards prolly look the other way B)))

lol ok

>>59510678

and they can keep them there forever

so what should his game plan be? sex offender unit or see how long the judge will hold him for contempt of court?

>>59510603
only pakis are exempt

>>59509647
It's hanged, not hung. They're people, not tapestries.

>>59510678
They have a bit of time before they're transferred into the special sex offender unit so it's free for all for anyone else to rape them or kill them before they're transferred. Hell, there are stories of prison riots that happened and sex offenders hanging themselves before they get stabbed by the oncoming mob. The guards don't give a shit if any of the pedos die, it's just one less degenerate for them to waste tax payers dollars on.

>>59510582
>mfw when I'm not even allowed to rape children in my own fucking mind

>>59510690

I'd wait. At least a year or two.

If what he does have on those drives is cp, it sounds like it's enough to put him away for a loooooong time.

Better to wait it out and see if you can get out, otherwise it's game over and none of it matters anyways.

>be american
>forget password
>get jailed
CAN'T MAKE THIS SHIT UP

>>59509299
Use Seagate drives. By the time you hand over the keys, the drive will already be dead!

he wont decrypt it because there is actually cp on the drive. im sure he would if he didnt have it there instead of staying in jail for rest of his life

>>59510764
Nothing's stopping them from """finding""" cp on the drive once it's decrypted.

>>59509963
>Shouldn't the hash be completely different from theirs since he used a different key?
No.

>Forensic examination also disclosed that Doe [Rawls] had downloaded thousands of files known by their "hash" values to be child pornography. The files, however, were not on the Mac Pro, but instead had been stored on the encrypted external hard drives.

They basically have information of a transmission of child porn happening as he downloaded images with known hashes. What they don't have is the destination, because they couldn't find the images on unencrypted drives, but they have encrypted drives with files.

Basically, it's like seeing someone getting a huge stack of money and when you raid his house, you can't find a money stash, but you find a locked safe.

>>59510742
kek

Fun fact: anything can be CP given a proper key mask.

>>59510266
Hm, what if one password decrypts the files, and one produces random images / sounds from the encrypted bytes? Of course the output should not be random noise, but something similar to procedurally generated content. Is this a viable solution to avoid suspicion, /g/?
(+ the code of the decryptor program is obfuscated enough?)

>>59510794

Which, according to the law, under a court order to hand over the safe, he would not be required to turn over the combination.

>>59510816
Funnily enough, they are saying he doesn't have the give over the combination. They're just telling him to remove the lock, no need to disclose what the combination was.

http://crypto.stackexchange.com/questions/2272/encryption-algorithm-that-produces-dummy-output-on-incorrect-passwords
>There are ways to hide one alternative plain text in the cipher text, which are intended for situations where you yourself might be coerced into revealing the password, and in such case might reveal the password that decrypts the cipher text into the alternative plain text. The common denominator for such schemes is however that the length of the cipher text is doubled if you want to include one alternative plain text, tripled if you want to include two, etc. Clearly, this makes such schemes infeasible if you want to include an arbitrarily large number of alternative plain text.

>>59510833

It's the same thing, at best it's a loophole at worse it's just plain illegal.

He would still be incriminating himself.

>>59510811
+ the program decrypt only the files that aren't illegal.

>>59510794
>>59510816
>>59510833
what are you guys talking about? "getting a huge stack of money" isn't illegal.

>>59510869
>"getting a huge stack of money" isn't illegal.
Sounds suspicious enough for them to take it.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Civil_forfeiture_in_the_United_States

>>59510816
If you don't hand over the combination but the prosecution is invoking the foregone conclusion doctrine, the court can then physically break open the safe without your consent. This has happened numerous times.

The issue now is that the courts are faced with "safes" that are unbreakable; encrypted hard drives.

>>59510626
>is he better off never decrypting them and sitting in prison for not complying with the judges orders, or is he better off decrypting the drives and going to prison as a pedo and getting his ass kicked or killed?
Well a pedophile will get 20 years but you can be held in contempt for life without a chance for trial

>>59510881
>>The issue now is that the courts are faced with "safes" that are unbreakable; encrypted hard drives.
Assuming he didn't reuse a password or pick something simple.

>>59510713
Source?

>>59510898
Which would be harder? Brute forcing a password or brute forcing an encrypted drive

>>59510881
>The issue now is that the courts are faced with "safes" that are unbreakable; encrypted hard drives.

They don't get in. It's that simple.

Every other solution is totalitarian.

>>59510890
Give an example of a person who has been held in contempt for more that twenty years to prove your point.

>>59509299
>recorded downloading CP
>a loose image was found
>sister found CP on his laptop
>still refuses to show the authorities his encrypted drive even when risking jail time
Seems fair desu.

>>59510924
Muh privacy meme aside, courts still need to hold a certain degree of power in order to function on a basic level. And I think everyone here can agree that there are reasonable crimes that can be committed digitally, regardless of whether or not you agree with them morally.

Where should the line be drawn when it comes to being able to convict a criminal of a digital crime? Should encryption really be a get of jail free card? What's the solution here?

>>59510979
The line should be drawn at being found guilty beyond a reasonable doubt by a jury of your peers you fucking mong.

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>>59510979

>Where should the line be drawn when it comes to being able to convict a criminal of a digital crime?
encryption.

>Should encryption really be a get of jail free card?
Should it? Maybe not. Is it the best solution all around at the moment? Yes.

>What's the solution here?
pic related

>>59511019
...yes? And how do you get that conviction? When a trial starts, does everyone march in, look at the jury, and quietly wait for one of them to stand up and say "guilty"? What are lawyers for? What are judges for? What is evidence for? What's the entire court procedure for?

Are you retarded, or was your non-sequitur an accident?

>>59510582
its not abuse if its self volunteered or consensual

people treat every instance as abuse

>>59511019
Yeah because THAT works.
Kek, peers.
Meanwhile at never-happens-land.

>>59511057
Minors can't consent.

>>59511077
More than 50% of adults are incapable of informed consent.
Not even pedo, but AoC is and always will be retarded.

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>>59511077

Well that's just like, your opinion, man.

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>>59509299
If it's a foregone conclusion that he's guilty, why do they need to get into the drive anyway?

>>59509546
they obviously mirrored the drives in case of trickery

>>59511185
in cases like that the more pictures you have the worse the penalty is.

>>59511077
They can't legally consent. There's a big difference between a happy giggling child and a crying, screaming child, from a moral standpoint if not a legal one.

>>59510702
When they're dead they might as well be tapestries, what's your point? What I typed was grammatically sound, don't get hung up on hanged vs hung autism.

>>59511052
Are you retarded? How do you get a conviction in any case? Present what evidence you have to the jury!!!! I dont understand what your question is. What more could there possible be to a trail that to present evidence to a jury? If you dont have evidence then why even have a trial?

>>59511213
Or they have some other reason for it.
Hint: examples, precedent, etc.

>>59509299
I don't understand why people are upset at this. Only someone with something to hide would invoke the 5th.

>>59511225
Yes, the other one is too dumb to realise what's happening.

Children are fucking dumb. You can't expect them to understand what is happening. You can barely expect teenagers to have a solid understanding of what they are doing.

>>59511071
Not an argument.

>>59509341
>produce his computer and hard drives in an unencrypted state
Except he can't trust that the hardware isn't going to steal his keystrokes now.

>>59511077
Define a minor.

>>59511273
Under the age of consent.

>>59511277
That is a poor definition.

Define the age of consent.

>>59511252
>That 17 year old little boy is only enjoying sex because he's too dumb to realize that the 18 year old grown woman is raping him

>>59511295
16

>>59511303
So I guess any country with an Age of consent under 16 are thus filled with criminals?

>>59511296
You have some dumb laws if that's the case over there.

>>59511312
Duh

>>59511295
>Define the age of consent.
Check your local laws.

Seriously, why are you arguing that everything is the same in every place and every time?

>>59511243
Yes. You're getting it.

Now how do you get this evidence?
Does it magically appear in the court?
Do criminals submit it themselves to the court, out of the kindness in their heart?
Where does evidence come from, anon? Let's connect some dots together.

>>59511312
Only if you take a picture.

>>59511323
If there is no definitive Age of Consent then that is a poor law by all terms of the usage.

Here's a better definition of Age of Consent: The age when a human becomes pubescent.

>>59511377
Here's a better definition: when puberty stops does the person consent

>>59511400
when does puberty stop

>>59511377
>>Here's a better definition of Age of Consent: The age when a human becomes pubescent.
Define being pubescent.

>>59511343
You dont even have a point do you. If you did you would just state it instead of asking silly questions.

>>59509299
Nothing, I ain't livin' on Cuckmerica.

>>59511377
Which is? How do you define "being pubescent"?
Also: Why would it be a better law? Are pubescent people inherently more capable of consenting to sexual actions?

>>59511411
when associated hormones stop over expressing synonymous with puberty

>>59511343
There's lawful ways to acquire evidence and there's unlawful ways. The fifth amendment supercedes any statist pig judge's decisions.

>>59511414
they have pubes

>>59511436
And how are going to verify that the person in question had pubes at the time?

>>59511430
How do you define when exactly that is?

>>59511377
Here's a better definition of Age of Consent: The age when a human becomes married.

>>59511451
take nude pictures and save them on my encrypted drive

>>59511453
Usually at the ages of 18-19 biologically

They can be effectively measured accurately

>>59511414
Pubescent is a pretty obvious definition of 'being pubescent', you retard.

But if you wish to know it is the stage of human development where they become able to create offspring.

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I see no difference in homicide cases where the criminal refuses to inform authorities where the bodies are,
Isn't it in your best fucking interest to work with police if you are accused of committing a crime that you [spoiler] didn't do [/spoiler]
Seems like he's guilty and is hiding behind any legal loophole he can try to justify, ie, the fifth amendment
P E D O P H I L E S W I L L B U R N

>>59511470
But the cutoffs for the productions of those hormones to define post-puberty would be completely arbitrary. There would be no distinction between n amount of hormone and n+.0001 amount of said hormone

>>59511377
Nope.
Ability to consent should be earned, not reached.

Most adults can't even make good decisions, as evidenced by the several hundred million people in serious debt around the world.
Note serious debt, a thing you can't just naturally fall in to due to society being corrupt as fuck, we're speaking exceptionally retarded people that think money grows on trees.

If society had a test for consent, all these retards would be taken out of adult life, along with anything else associated with it.
Homes for non-consenting adults.
Welfare would be worth it since these fucktards ruin the economy for everyone else, launching the costs of everything through the roof.

>>59511470
Wrong. Puberty ends mid-20s on average.
Average being the keyword.
Age still does not guarantee ability to make informed decisions.

>>59511511
>there's no need for privacy if you have nothing to hide

>>59511539
Yes there would, we can effectively measure when it starts and stops

>>59511499
>But if you wish to know it is the stage of human development where they become able to create offspring.
And how do we verify that the kid you fucked or photographed can create life?

>>59511511
Are you retarded? (Rhetorical, I already know.)

Even convicted murderers can't be compelled to spill if they don't want to. Hence the basis for many a plea deal.

>>59509299
>Police lets you unlock your own hard drive
>Enter emergency kill switch code word
>Delete the mainframe

lol only a noob would get caught

>>59511540
>Age still does not guarantee ability to make informed decisions.
Ross Ulbricht is a good example.

>>59511540
>Nope
>Posts retarded eugenic philosophical tripe

What I described is a process which has undergone over a billion years of biological development; what you just posted is some unethical sociopathic fallacious bullshit you thought up in your basement as you ponder why people don't like you, Captain Edgelord.

>>59510241
Yes?

Only the elite think freely
Only the elite act freely

It's been like this since the dawn of man. Pedophiles get thrown into the river for taking fair and innocent maidens from deserving nobelmen and rebellious thinkers are heretics trying to dismantle our fine community. After all, if you were genetically worthy of taking literally any mate you wanted, or intelligent enough to have ideas worth noting, you would already be part of the elite.

Any other system leads to social collapse as the inferiors are given so much freedom that they waste it on nonsense

See: the west

>>59511554
What hormones are only present during puberty but never again afterward?

>>59511563
>Police backed up your shit
Bravo, mister hackerman

>>59511558
Nice loaded question you have there.

I have no reason to argue with a person that automatically resorts to fallacy in an argument, grow up.

>>59511545

There's a big differnce between the privacy of normal people and defendants.

If somebody asks what you did last night it's none of his business.
BUT if somebody was murdered at that time and police thinks you are the murder, it's a differnt story.

>>59510852
>tag the files you want to safely hide
>set two passwords
>one password decrypts everything
>the other password decrypts your drive but leaves the tagged files as random noise

Tell why this isn't a good idea, /g/.

>>59511570
actually what he describes is basic chimp shit that's undergone millions of years of evolution

big man good, big man know how to open coconut, big man know how to get ant out of ground, big man can have many woman
little man no good, little man can't do shit, no woman for little man, little man go get coconut for big man to open, if little man no like it little man can fuck off

>>59511616
Basically you can't answer because your retarded definition of when a person should be able to consent is not applicable in the real world.

>>59511511
It's never in your best interest to cooperate with the police. You should instantly lawyer up and say absolutely nothing.

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>>59511377

>>59511622
No its not.

>>59511644
How very American of you,
You're the reason NCIS episodes go for fucking 40 minutes

>>59511644

Because all cops are evil, right?
Are you 14?

If somebody accuses you of something like CP I'd say it's pretty clear that you should help them as much as you can.

>>59511638
>Loads the question by typing that I 'fuck kids'
>Expects a thought out response

Are you done embarassing yourself? I forgot to add mentally retarded people out of my definition, so don't worry you won't ever get fucked, mongoloid.

>>59511685
You're basically getting upset that I spoke to you in a way that is typical on 4chan. And now you're just using that as an excuse to not offer a rebuttal, since you have none.

>>59511511
Because the logical conclusion to that is that everyone are guilty until proven innocent. You could be accused based on the expectation of future evidence to support that accusation. Nice way to start a police state dictatorship.

>>59511678
Nope, I have nothing against cops really. Always had nice encounters with them. If you're accused of a crime though you really shouldn't say anything without speaking to counsel. It's not in your best interest. Regardless of whether or not you actually did whatever it is you're accused of.

I'm ignorant of the law, so I will get a professional to advise me.

>>59511700
I'm not upset. I've answered everyone else that didn't type fallacious loaded question like a drooling sub 80 IQ ape/man hybrid earnestly.

I have no reason to answer someone that obviously doesn't understand how to do anything other than throw shit at a keyboard and press enter. Why don't YOU ask a thought out question?

>>59510241
This is already a thought crime.

>how dare you own information we don't like

>>59511650
He's right. Actual, literal, DSM IV pedophiles cause trauma because people start putting more value in sex when they hit puberty. Girls especially. So the cute loli who thought sex with uncle creep was fun and cool turns 13 and can only remember that, oh my god, she fucked that ugly greasy loser, she's ruined forever, her eggs are tainted, etc.

And then after puberty it's a crapshoot. Some will cry rape just like they fucked an uggo when they were 8 and didn't know it was an uggo (because they fucked someone who made less than 80k a year but thought they made more because they drove a BMW), some won't.

>>59511650
pedophilia is defined as the attraction to prepubescent children

literally nothing wrong with pubescent ones

>>59510295
>Deny the holocaust and see where that gets you.
Doesn't land you a spot in jail, friend.
Also, denying the holocaust isn't a 'thought crime' a thought crime is thinking about comitting a crime, not saying something out loud.

>>59511747
Because I can already tell that you have no answer. Instead, you're just hurling out insults to distract from the topic.

>>59511747
Other anon here:
How do you verify that a person is capable of conceiving?

>>59511578
>"My" script injected a backdoor into every picture
>When copied, the resulting files turn into a picture of my anus

Im always one step ahead

>>59511755
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3317083/German-grandmother-87-sentenced-ten-months-jail-denying-Holocaust-saying-Auschwitz-just-labour-camp.html

>speaking your thoughts out loud isn't a thought crime it's a speak crime

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>>59509299
IF THEY COULDNT GET IN IT HOW THE FUCK DO THEY KNOW IT HAD CP

>>59511762
I have no answer to a question which assumes 'I fuck kids'? Maybe cause I don't fuck kids.

>I can already tell you have no answer

If you assume such a thing, why bother responding? You are really bad at constructing arguments; do they not teach that in high school nowadays?

>>59511754
yes, and the age of consent in germany is 14.

but the anglosphere is just all kinds of fucked up when it comes to sex

Like, americans think being 17 years and 364 days old means you're unable to have sex, aussies think liking any breasts under a B cup means you better be gay else you're a child molester, and britbongs think a drawing of a busty woman is literally rape if the official character bio says she's 15.

>>59511801
Are you seriously arguing about education now when you don't even know what a generic you is?

>>59511808
girls grow tits at 11 these days

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>>59511786
Your anus is only 12yo so it would be deemed CP

>>59511785
I wouldn't hold my breath if I were you.

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>it's a 'foregone conclusion'
>that's why we desperately need you to provide this evidence for us

lmao gr8 legal reasoning

>>59511797
nvm I didn't read the article

>>59511825
Tits are for plebs

Girls don't have decent hips until well into their teens

>>59511797
They don't know that the drives contain CP. But they know that the person has downloaded CP and presented CP, so he probably still has CP on him and the encrypted drive is a pretty good guess as to where he might store it.

>>59511785
It's pretty obvious, females enter their menstrual cycle; males have nocturnal emissions/ejaculate.

>>59511826
Is masturbating in front of a mirror pedophilia if you are underaged?

In all seriousness I actually sent a picture of my dick on /b/ literally the minute before I turned 18 and didnt even underage b&

Really took a different turn than I had expected when faggots started complimenting my curve

>>59511816
>generic you

When you direct a 'you' to someone, you are referring to THAT specific person unless you're illiterate or have no grasp of the English language whatsoever.

You're so fucking retarded, it isn't funny. Luckily for you [hint: this isn't generic] this is an anonymous imageboard.

>>59511883
>Is masturbating in front of a mirror pedophilia if you are underaged?
are you getting turned on by your own image or something?

Pedophilia simply means you have an attraction to those under 12. A 13 year old can be a pedo, yes. A 7 year old can be a pedo too if they sexually molest a 2 year old.

>>59510918
torturing the password holder

>>59511678
People make mistakes, and then tend to stick to those mistakes because of cognitive dissonance. Cops are vulnerable to this too, and a cop suffering from cognitive dissonance will only be interested in information that strengthens his initial conclusion. Therefore, anything you tell him can only ever strengthen his case against you. If we lived in a world where innocents never ever get convicted, this wouldn't be an issue. But since we don't, you want to make sure any case against you is as weak as possible.

>>59509299
>the authorities said they already know there's child porn on the drives, so Rawls' constitutional rights aren't compromised.
if they have proof of this, then they don't need the defendant to unlock anything
someone's bullshitting

>>59511883
You can get convicted for producing child porn if you take naked pictures of yourself while you're underaged.

>>59511678
>Gets arrested
>Advocates for not calling your lawyer
>Are you 14?

The bitter fucking irony.

>>59509299
If they already have evidence that he has cp on his computer , they should be able to convict him based on that.

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>We have definitive proof that you're a murderer because we say so. Now you have to take us to the body or you'll be locked up indefinitely.
>We know you robbed that bank, now show us what you did with the money or we'll jail you forever
>We know you bought those drugs, now you have to tell us who sold them to you or you're locked up indefinitely, still without trial

just kek. 5th amendment means absolutely nothing now.

>>59511077
define minor.

>>59511622
>it's a differnt story.
explain

if you want to provide an alibi to get them out of your hair, then go ahead, but refusing to tell them anything should not ever be held against you

>>59512076
they clearly don't, otherwise they'd have no need for the drives to be unlocked

>American cuckoldry

>>59511315
That's exactly how it is. Recently in my home town, there was a footballer who was arrested for having sex with his 15 year old girlfriend, when he was 17. There were also sexting each other, so the courts pursued child porn charges. The persecution tried to get him registered as a sex offender, and charge him with several counts of possession and coercion. The girl testified in court that she was willing, and that she liked him. Fortunately, the appeals judge said the whole case was retarded and just put him on probation, citing romeo and juliet laws in neighboring states. The laws concerning consent and age thereof are retarded in this country.

>>59512082
read the complaint

>>59512131
read the complaint

>>59511432
>constitution
>mattering
>current year

the united banana republics of america

>>59512208
read my dick

>>59509684
There is cp on the nuclear weapons control system!
What now? Try and disprove my claim or you're jailed forever.

>>59512076
>evidence that he has cp on his computer
IP logs should definitely not be enough to put someone behind wars for 20+ years.

That's stupid.

>- we "know" you're a child raping serial killer terrorist, confess
>- you can't force me to confess to a crime
>- we can because we "know", you see
>- why don't you sentence me based on whatever proofs you base that knowledge on, then?
>- because HURR DURR LAND OF THE FREE

>>59510378
still too old

>Guilty until proven innocent

THANK YOU JUSTICE.

>>59512220
hold on, gonna need my reading glasses

>>59511797

See:
>>59510151


>>59511752

Are you seriously arguing about laws to protect childen?
MODS MODS MODS!!


>>59511808

>the age of consent in germany is 14

It's not that simple..

With 14-15 you are oficially "lacking of capacity for sexual self-determination". Therefore (if you are over 21) you mustn't have a sexual relationship with someone under 16 - but you don't get punished unless somebody complaints or they think it's dangerous.

>"The act shall only be prosecuted upon complaint, unless the prosecuting authority considers ex officio that it is required to enter the case because of the special public interest therein. [...] The court may dispense with punishment pursuant to these provisions if, in consideration of the conduct of the person against whom the act was directed, the wrongfulness of the act is slight."

Basically 14-16 is an grey area where you get sentenced if there's the slightest hint of a problem or unfair influence whatsoever.

So the "official" age of consent is rather 16 with special rules for 14-15 y/o's.

>>59511933
>When you direct a 'you' to someone, you are referring to THAT specific person
Except that the "you" in this quote is a generic you. Seriously, you're retarded.

>>59510237
He said he doesn't remember. That was over a year ago.

>>59512263
Which is almost equally retarded as the american system, when you consider that most minors have had sexual relations by age 16 these days.

>>59511077
but they can be charged as adults for murder

>>59511296
>>59512206
Yea that is fucking stupid man.

>>59510318
If they could prove him guilty he would already be charged
They can't

>>59511296
>implyingggg
http://www.usatoday.com/story/news/nation/2014/09/02/statutory-rape-victim-child-support/14953965/

>>59510373
They already do, some of the charges against madtad was for lewd anime lolis

I don't really understand why they even need to get the drives unlocked. If you take a jury composed of regular people, put a black defendant in cuffs in the courtroom and tell the jury that…

1) He downloaded images which are known child pornography.
2) His sister said he has child pornography.
3) He has a "computer safe", which the cops cannot unlock and which the suspect is refusing to open.

…then how can you fucking fail to get a conviction?

>>59512307
it gets worse
>be underage
>take lewds of self
>be registered as a sex offender for life

>>59509299
The courts are not infallible, they are wrong this is clearly a violation of his right against self incrimination.

It's absolutely pathetic this happening over what (at it's potential worst) amounts to a bonafide thought crime and "illegal" ones and zeros.

>>59511511
I think we should hang pedos, but >>59511644 is basically correct:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=d-7o9xYp7eE

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If they "already know", theres no reason to hold him indefinitely , just have a fucking trial and be done with it. I smell bullshit.

>>59512272
Define 'you'.

Then define 'generic you'.

>>59512344
>1) He downloaded images which are known child pornography.
is there proof of that?
>2) His sister said he has child pornography.
cool story sis
>3) He has a "computer safe", which the cops cannot unlock and which the suspect is refusing to open.
do you have proof there's something illegal in it?

>>59512358
that would make all girls sex offenders

After reading the complaint I have to say, this is bullshit. You cannot jail someone indefinitely in the United States without trial, that is unconstitutional as it violates his right to a speedy trial and the very premise of not depriving someone of "life, liberty or property" without due process. This man may well be a pedo, but what they are doing to him is a violation of his rights.

Moreover, according to the complaint they have enough evidence to prove that he has broken the law. If that were the case they would have simply filed charges. Forcing him to decrypt his drives is a violation of his 5th amendment rights regardless of what the police or the judge want to claim. If there evidence was indeed so overwhelming they would simply file charges and be done with it, as it is they clearly have enough to convince themselves but do not believe they would make it through either a grand jury or actual trial. Because they know they don't have enough evidence to convince 12 random retards that "Mr. former cop has nekkid pics of kiddies on his compubox" they are trying to force him to give them that evidence, which by our constitution he cannot be required to do.

>>59512385
male privilege

>>59512291

Actually the US and Germany and not really that differnt. It's more like the wording is differnt..

For exmaple in Arkansas:
"The age is minimum 16 for a minor (<18) with a major 20 years old or older. Under 18, the younger must not be less than 14"

In Germany it's also about these three ages:
14/15 --> Kinda OK if the other person is something like 18 or nobody tells it
16/17 --> OK unless the younger one gets influenced somehow
18 --> you're old enough to decide on your own.


It's simple common sense.
Of course there are people abusing it (in both directions!), but as a rule of thumb the laws are good.

>>59512401
i'm not excluding boys
i don't know if all (normal) boys do the same, i didn't, but i'm a 27yo virgin, so i'm not exactly in a position to speak for anyone

>>59509637
>fbi cp specialist: Hey I recognize that hash

>>59512344
Jury's are being replaced by BLM cucks and young people with some understanding of technology and the constitution

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>>59512418
>in both directions
brb moving to germany

>>59512432
WAIT A FUCKING SECOND
I RECOGNIZE THAT HASH
SOMEONE POST THE PIC

>>59512431
(oh, not to mention i didn't have a digital camera of any kind until i was almost 18 anyway, it'd be pretty retarded to take in CP to get developed)

>>59512378

>is there proof of that?

Yes.

>"the authorities found [on the Mac Book Pro] one image depicting a pubescent girl in a sexually suggestive position and logs that suggested the user had visited groups with titles common in child exploitation."

>>59512378
>is there proof of that?
Yes.
He used Freenet(P2P) and downloaded content with hashes that matched known CP, so it's definitely known he downloaded them.

The problem is though, what if he deleted them? If I recall, only being in possession of CP is a crime. You can't send someone to prison because you found out they smoked meth 1 year ago.

>>59512448

Lel, with "in both directions" I meant:
If you are over 21 and in a relationship with a 15 y/o and she doesn't like you, she can fry your ass. The law put you in a weak position when you do such things.

>>59512484
>pubescent girl in a sexually suggestive position
is jailbait alone illegal though? surely if it was, that would be enough to convict him, so evidently it's not enough.

>the user had visited groups with titles common in child exploitation.
again, is that illegal?

i'm not saying this doesn't sound suspicious, but suspicion alone doesn't cut it

>>59512495
alright, so lets say they do know with certainty that he downloaded some CP
if possession is all that actually matters, they still have no usable evidence, just downloading data doesn't mean it was ever actually viewed or stored

>>59512364
moden law is essentially jewish talmudic legalism

we need to go back to christian value law that can not be squabbled about

>>59512495

>hey stop right there junkie scum, you cant just light up your crack pipe in the middle of the street
>*throws crack pipe down a gutter* Haha silly policeman, you can't prove I was in possession of drugs! just because you saw me lighting this glass pipe and just because you can retrieve it from the gutter and find my fingerprints and dna on it and present it at trial is irrelevant!
>oh my god, you're right. i'm so sorry I bothered you sir. Have a nice day.

>>59512418
I believe the law should simply set the age of consent at 15, while invalidating consent if malicious influence can be proven.

>>59512004
Yea I don't understand.

>>59512358
Seriously?

>>59512619
yes im not bullshitting

>>59512565
> they still have no usable evidence, just downloading data doesn't mean it was ever actually viewed or stored

I know.
I'm saying this case is BS and he should not be jailed indefinitely.

>>59512593
>Hey pedo scum, you can't just watch CP in the middle of the street
>*deletes CP in front of police*
>haha cant prove I was watching it or ever possessed it

>>59512619
It's happened several times.

>>59512602
they're fishing
they have bits and pieces that suggest that there might be CP on his hdd's, and they're trying to get him to unlock them, it's all they can do, because they have no actual evidence

>>59512484
>logs that suggested the user had visited groups with titles common in child exploitation.
that's really vague, one might argue threads like this very one could fall under that definition, it too contains keywords like "pedo" and "CP"

>>59512638
Exactly. They can't say they know he has CP because they could have convicted him already if they had the evidence. He probably is a pedo, but we have rights for a reason.

>>59512624
>>59512636
Jeez... That is fucked. How can you be considered pedo or sex offender for having pics of yourself!

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>>59512708
>how can you be considered pedo or sex offender for having pics of yourself!
because laws are bullshit

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>>59511077
>read this as 'Mirrors can't consent.'

>>59512723
>both drunk
>only the man gets charged
female privilege

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>>59512739
hello jayden smith
how are you today

>>59512753
Welcome to Amerika.