What is /g/ expecting from Vega?

Expected a full lineup that would be alot better than poolaris, instead we will get a poolaris rebrand and a Fury rebrand that only that has Vega tech. Sad!

>>59488525
I'm going in expecting nothing, because I feel like if I expect anything, I'll just end up disappointed.

>>59488525

Overhyped cringe ads, faster than 1080, slower than 1080ti/TitanXP, draw more power/hotter, wait™ for better driver.

Fury 2.0 tier.

>>59488567
You'll be disappointed eitherway!

>>59488559
>>59488588
>>59488597
/thread

wait and see

20% slower than 1080ti for same price and ~400w tdp.

Let's see..
something like 250w powerdraw for big vega
between 1080 and 1080ti
well that's it. it all comes down to pricing and i'll probably be more interested in small vega.

>>59488525
Ok time for summary:

Vega is the biggest fundamental architecture change since they switched from Terascale to GCN 1.0
The new NCU means a massive boost to efficiency in the shader core and a much easier ability to fully saturate the GPU with work.
The biggest problem with Fiji(furyX) is that its 4096 shaders didnt mean very much because of large bubbles in the pipeline and large ammounts of shaders idling and doing no work each cycle.
Even with a low Level API like Vulcan which is best case scenario the FuryX is still not running with all cylinders firing because Vulkan only solved the Driver overhead problem. There is still bubbles in the workload because of the fundamental design of the GCN architecture itself.

AMD is switching from standard 4x16-bit blocks of a normal GCN CU(compute unit) to This new design of a variable 8+4+2+2 block and either four of these or a mix of these and standard 16-bit blocks in this new NCU(next compute unit)

They could not Do this in the past because they did not have the technology to build a Hardware Scheduler and Memory Scheduler Complexed enough to run this kind of architecture.

We have test samples of Vega with NCU's disabled and with very low clockspeeds and its beating a 1900mhz overclocked gtx 1080 in DOOM. Now there is a gain from using Vulcan over DX11 and OpenGL for AMD but thats on the Driver Overhead side not on the fundamental shader operations side. IT just means the CPU is feeding draw calls to the GPU at peak efficiency.

Alot of people dismiss the test because its vulcan but they dont know what they are looking at. The Vega sample is running FIJI 1.2 drivers Which means the instructions are running through the Vega NCU's like they are standard fixed 16-bit blocks like you have on a FuryX card.

So you need to look at it from this perspective.

This New architecture is more advanced than Maxwel/Pascal. You are going to see unreal performance from Vega when its finally released. Poor Volta

>>59488525

Expectations?
>Better than 480/580

Hopes?
>Price/Perf competitive with 1080

>>59488697
Sure it will my fellow RedTeam+ memeber.
>just wait
'till next year for the Vega tech to come to the mainstream market. And it will surely not only beat Pascal but 'ohh' Volta!

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>>59488697
Nice pasta

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>>59488697
>We have test samples of Vega with NCU's disabled and with very low clockspeeds and its beating a 1900mhz overclocked gtx 1080 in DOOM

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>>59488697
>This New architecture is more advanced than Maxwel/Pascal. You are going to see unreal performance from Vega when its finally released. Poor Volta

>>59488697
If you had any intentions to make AMD look good you just did the opposite.

>>59488791
>>59488808
>>59488855
>>59488877
>>59488951
I keep telling this fuck >>59488697 that he's wrong on half his points, but he keeps pasting it anyways. Legitimately the fifth time I've seen it.

>>59488791
>t. impatient manbabby

>>59489070
Grandpa, risen from your shit poured grave again, I see.

AMD began releasing details of their next generation of GCN Architecture in January 2017.[30][32][33] The new design is built around Next-Generation Compute Unit(NCU) and is expected to increase instructions per clock, higher clock speeds, support for HBM2, a larger memory address space and the High Bandwidth Cache Controller(HBMC). Additionally, the new chips are expected to include improvements in the Rasterisation and Render output units. The shaders are heavily modified from the previous generations to support packed math for 8-bit, 16-bit, and 32-bit numbers(Rapid Pack Math). With this there is a significant performance advantage when lower precision is acceptable (for example: processing two half-precision numbers at the same rate as a single single precision number).

It has been suspected that Nvidia introduced tile-based rasterization and binning with Maxwell, and that this was the biggest reason of Maxwell's efficiency increase. In January, AnandTech assumed that Vega would finally catch up with Nvidia regarding energy efficiency optimizations due to the new "Draw Stream Binning Rasterizer" to be introduced with Vega.[34]

>>59488697
Yeah, just how Zen was supposed to hit 5.0 Ghz on air overclocked and perfectly scale across most games and applications.

>>59489120
Even if I die, i'll haunt your inexperienced ass, new faggot.

>>59488697
>>59489133
>ebin techcurry site pasta

>>59489136
Kek. Source?
>Inb4 currytech

>>59489136
It does if you OC a single core at a time. It's not stable but it will.

>>59489140
Shit, I don't want ghastly 'blowjobs', the only thing that you were experienced at grandpa.

I don't want Nvidia to have a monopoly in the gpu market

>>59489152
Yep, it was them. The problem was all sites spouted that shit later, it all came from some chink forum.
>>59489159
But obviously not fully on across all cores.

A disappointment, but I still might pick up for Linux. The RX480 is getting some love, maybe Vega will offset the performance I want.

>>59489173
You want to bet? I'll fucking kill myself and fight you right now, asshole.

>>59489181
Too late. The RX480 is a fantastic card and it is still being outsold by Nvidia's everything. AMD doesn't have driver issues anymore, they have cheaper monitors due to freesync, and they even have similar software offerings with Relive, but their still being swept away.
You can't win against that type of sheep mentality. Nvidia is practically the Applel of GPUs.

>>59488525
A card that has incredible compute power that it cannot use due to relying on OpenCL and awful driver kernels, with ROPs that just cannot keep up with the compute performance, leading to a card that is ultra powerful on paper but not that good in games.

It'll also be overpriced to the extreme high end, so we won't get any damn competition at all, and cards will remain retardedly overpriced for two more generations.

>>59489152
It was that French magazine article that hinted Zen being able to OC to 5ghz on air.

>>59489221
Given your age I am surprised you haven't died already.

>>59489240
I'll die when I feel like it, unlike you pussy ass millennial newfaggots.

>>59488588
this, basically every amd product in the last years.

>>59489188
Yeah before it released I was predicting 4.2ghz on all cores, 4.4ghz on water.

I was off by 100mhz but w/e.

>>59489348
It's not a matter of time anymore. Don't shitpost us with your presence again, Oldman.

>>59489369
Most Ryzen chips released so far are sweating bullets to be able to reach 3.9 yet alone 4.0 Ghz.

>>59489393
Yeah, thermal room is coming into play, and people with 212 EVOs are learning sticking those on an 8 core ain't good business. I said air cooling I didn't say cheap air cooling.

>>59489435
>generalization

>>59489375
I'll fight you right now and win, faggot. You liberal pussies get scared at a bunch of ragtag shit skins. Back in my day, we nuked any threat we see. You mongols can't even look at anything without getting riled up at the slightest sign of abuse or wear and tear.

>>59488697
A fuck it, I'm getting a 1070 this is stupid

>>59489453
>Back in my day
and giving blowjobs, apparently. And this is your last(You).

>>59488525
I expect another turd on the designated street.

>>59489477
Thanks, anon.

>>59488525
Disappointment

>>59489224
Great post fellow RedTeam+ member.

>>59489224
It's a good value card, the 1060 ain't shit tho and its even cheaper in many if not most places around the world.

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>>59489574
ebin

>>59489596
Where is his left leg?

Ok guys seriously now, should I wait for Vega or buy a 1070 this week?

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>>59489519
>everyone is a shill
>mfw I have Intel and Nvidia
Why wouldn't I on Linux? Nvidia is still performing marginally better even if it's proprietary drivers.
I would have recommend the 1060 when it came out, but I wouldn't buy it this year.

>>59489530
I never said it was shit. It was a good card. It still is, but it would not be the best buy right now.

>>59489653
>wait for Vega
Vega is a fat chip with HBM2. AMD would have to be the smoking Hawaii toxins to sell it at that pricepoint. It would be a miracle if it would sell at the 1080's price point.

>>59488697
>the absolute state of paid amd shills

>>59488636
i'm sorry, but does the 1080ti have soul or a brain? checkmate

Nvidia shills the thread

>>59488525
Hopefully somewhere close to the 1080ti for ~30% less. Much like Ryzen compared to the 6900k

>>59489224
Because nobody even knows amd still exists. I live in the UK and I'll admit I don't know much about amd in America but over here in the UK and Europe in general amd has little to no advertising at all. I can be browsing some normie gaymur site like ign and there will be nvidia adverts plastered everywhere and the same goes for online stores like amazon where if you go onto the tech section it will come up with a featured deal on like a 1060 or similar. The problem isn't the consumer the problem is amd themselves. Why create a product which is decent but don't market it?

I was a console casual for years before I started to get more interested in computers and coding about 2 years ago and when I was researching computer components for a fresh build I was actually kinda shocked that ATI didn't exist anymore and was now amd. Even ATI back when I was younger had more advertising than amd does now. Every prebuilt my dad bought had an ATI gpu inside it. Now it seems nvidia basically owns all the prebuilt contracts with their gpu.

Tldr; the main point I'm trying to make is that with casuals who are coming from console or late teens who are getting more interested in high performance gaming on the PC, amd is very much off the radar with their lack of advertisement and marketing for these people.

A week of shitposting flood, it's always the same shit every time AMD releases something.

ANOTHER
MASSIVE
DISASTER

>>59488525
The R300 reborn.

>its a /g/ cant run the numbers episode

with a clock of ~1500 itll trade blows with the 1080ti

>>59489653
If it is priced well and you don't care about FreeSync get a 1070.

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>>59490106
>GCN
>high clocks
This is cherrypicked shilling RX480 and it still isn't at 1500MHz.

Probably going to be another fury-like fiasco, but not quite as bad.

>>59489755
But the 1800x does actually match if not beat the 6900k, anon

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>>59490106

>>59490136

vega instinct is already running at 1525

vega gaymin will hit that too

>>59490145
It only comes close in productivity nothing more, respected RedTeam+ member.
>but Hans, the obese idiot and the frog eaters show otherwise

>>59490163
Sauce me up, I don't want to fall for the hype again, but I might as well.

>>59490163
>being this hopeful
Comrade, why

>>59490176
>muh gayman
Do you think people buy 8 core CPUs for gaymez?

>>59490106
Similar to how the 480 was hyped to be at 1500 and a 1070 competitor. ;^)

>>59490198
>reading comprehension

>>59490209

it would be

it all comes down to glofo not being completely shit

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>>59490198

>>59490240
There will be more to it than that. This shit comes close to hype levels. Better not do that.

>>59490221
>it only comes close in productivity
And do you think people buy 8 core CPUs for single threaded tasks? It's not like the results differ when it comes to single threaded tests, they are both worse in single thread performance than quad cores.

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>>59490260
And at what it does good is still buggy.

>>59488525
Gtx 1080 for three fiddy

>>59488525
mega disappointment

>>59490270
Would you say the same about the R5 line-up that will be solely be marketed towards gaymen? Where it has been simulated and shown to be 4-10% slower than the 1700 in gaymen? Ryzen is still a shitfest. Either wait it out or go play the beggars card. And most saddening here is that people went for the 8 core Ryzen expecting top performance in gaymen when it falls short to an i5 and a fucking i3.

>>59488525
it will cure cancer.

>>59489642
He ate it, too poor and too fat to go outside and buy proper food. Like a true RedTeam+ memeber, caring more about his AMD™ powered computer than himself.

>>59490240
>>59490262
yeah don't hype needlesly please
we know how it'll go

>>59490050
I thought that was the RX400 series?
The word is that there will be no consumer grade Vega cards this year, only enthusiasts. The rest will be yet another batch of rebrands.

>>59490314
>And most saddening here is that people went for the 8 core Ryzen expecting top performance in gaymen
How about you stop this shit already.

>>59490478
Thw were marketed as STREAMAN GAYMEN. LOOK YOU CAN STREAM YOUR ESHIT ON TWITCH
NO FRAME DROPS

>>59490453
Kek, Polaris was just a GCN shrink, just like R200 was decent but nothing special.

Also, Big Vega is estimated at 500-550 mm^2 and 2*HBM2 and will certainly not be for midrange, but nobody even knows whether Little Vega will be 1*HBM2, 384b GDDR5(X?), 256b GDDR5X, or what.

>>59490478
Because people actually did that. ;]
Stop hiding the fact that its not worth yet
>just wait
for most people.

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>>59490478

>>59488525
Another Massive Disappointment

>>59490478
It was marketed towards gamers as well. Don't be a shill now.

>>59490518
>Kek, Polaris was just a GCN shrink
Was it though? I think there are comparisons using previous GCN all at the same TFLOPs or some shit, debunking it being a refresh.

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>>59490478
>tfw

>>59490314
>Would you say the same
No, the 1800x was marketed as a 6900k competitor from the beginning. They demoed the thing by running blender on it not gaymez. It's funny how everyone ""just"" realized that >4 core CPUs have worse single threaded performance. You wouldn't buy a truck and complain about how it's slower than a sports car.

>>59488525
>AMD
None.

>>59488559

LMAO! i see idiots talk the same way. reminds me of Trump.

saying <SAD!> at the end makes you look retarded.

I expect it to be aggressively hyped Bay our usual AMD shills, then to not deliver on a single promise, to cost almost the same of what Nvidia is offering and to not even come close to the 1080ti.

The I expect the AMD shills to tell everyone how no one said it would be good, how it was actually meant to be a piece of shit, how everything is Nvidia's fault and how it will actually get better in the future when X magical thing comes out and totally flips the board.

Rinse and repeat. We have only seen this exact same drivel from AMD marketers for a newly a decade now after all.

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>>59490986

You dipshit, it's positioned at the entire modern lineup. Suppose the best performance of all the pretty rocks.

>>59490986
That's why they had gaymen slides vs 7700k?

I expect it to be a buggy mess

Still buying it

Because NVidia are assholes.

>>59491581
>positioned at the entire modern lineup
It's an X99 competitior if you haven't noticed. It's aimed at people who need extra cores, not the average consumer.

>Suppose the best performance of all the pretty rocks.
Now write that again in a comprehensible way.

>>59491608
I don't recall them demoing any gaymez, I may have missed those. Do you have a link to those slides?

>>59488697
>You are going to see unreal performance from Vega when its finally released. Poor Volta
LMAO. Where did you come from? ahahaha. It's going to be a miracle if it's even on par with 1080.

>>59492042
You seem to forget that the FuryX is only around 30% slower than 1080, you seriously believe AMD can't pull over that moving from 28nm?

>>59492121
Well.. Polaris 10 is half the size of Hawaii, it has pretty much the same performance and uses half the power, pretty much double the performance per mm^2 over Hawaii

So using Polaris 10 as a base and knowing Vega is around 450mm2, which is smaller than Fury, Vega should haven't much problems going 50% over Fury X if clocks aren't a issue, and since Vega Mi25 instinct already runs at 1550MHzish, there should be no trouble there.

>>59488525
a bit of competition for nVidia to drop their prices even further.

>>59488588
as per the norm.

>>59492149
AMD should have took an opportunity for the consumer market to make a 600mm2 GPU since Nvidia basically doesn't want to, yields aside, it would be around 20-25% faster than a 1080ti using napkin math.

>>59488525
fury 2.0
just like ryzen is bulldozer 2.0

>>59492042
It's been show in public on alpha drivers using a ES to be 10% above a 1080 and you still don't think it will match A 1080....dude time to take a step back from /g/ and get out of the house

>>59492169
That's because there's underhanded deals going on, AMD won't make a reticle limit GPU while the other doesn't, this is already agreed.

>>59492248
>>59492169
Nvidia does make a 600mm2 GPU, the GP100, but that's a FP64 chip, not a FP32 one gaymers want.

>>59488588
>1080 or faster performance without giving money to jewvidia
Count me in!

>>59492291
>>59492272
>>59492196
>>59492169
>>59492149
>>59492121
Retard AMDshill

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>>59488697
This is an Nvidia shill acting as AMD shill. Nice try

>>59489596
>ATI
ATI was awesome before AMD took over and ruined everything

>>59488525
Performance siitting somewhere between 1070 and 1080, with a few titles showing it performing worse than a 1070 and a few others performing better than 1080. With a never-ending stream of the typical shitposts on /g/ accompanying either with the usual "brand on suicide watch" banter.

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AYYMD REBRANDEON HOUSEFIRES

>>59488588
225w < 250w

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The hyper capitalist shills in here are so hilarious, trying to squeeze off every last dollar on outdated quad cores before they're phased out next year, trying to champion their $1000 cards so they can increase the illusion of 'having the best because you paid the premium', before vega comes in for $500 and wipes the stagnant PC market for some much needed competition

>tl;dr whored out working class desperately trying any defense mechanism possible to mitigate the knowledge they were ripped off in a cornered market

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Judging from AMD's performance in CPUs their GPUs will be solid contenders at a lower price

>>59493016
Wtf is this crap lol 4k is meme resolution

>>59493151
seems to show 7700K fails at 4K CPU-intensive games

>>59493151
even at this meme resolution the 7700k still manages higher averages. literally no reason to own any ryzen cpu if you're a gamer.

>>59493530
As a gamer I'd rather have stable fps than dips to 16fps
Also something future proof

>>59493151

>4k is meme resolution

What are you actually trying to say? What is a 'meme' X? Is this even a tech board?

>>59493618
if you want stable fps you won't be playing at 4k. simple as. all of these gpu drop to the mid 20's.

"stable" would be considered minor drops into the mid 50's which are rare and unnoticeable.

which one does better at the lower resolutions again? oh yeah, the 7700k. just face the facts and admit the 7700k is better for gaming (the point of discussion here so inb4 muh production and winzip).

>>59493530
Averages mean nothing. 1% and 0.1%s are what truly matters.

You do not know pain until you're cpu limited in FFXIV. Fraps says it's running at 60 but it looks like a shitty 20 from all the stutter.

>>59493644
>A meme (/ˈmiːm/ MEEM)[1] is "an idea, behavior, or style that spreads from person to person within a culture"

so a meme resolution is something one guy tried and now everyone else wants to do it too.

>>59493673
Sorry but 16fps dips not "movie tier" experience

>>59493016

>double the minimum frame rates on a 1080 Ti
>10 less frames average

So, overall its better? I think the fact is, the 1800X has more raw power than basically anything from Intel right now, but its being gimped by software, Windows and the games themselves. Neither have cared about AMD for years because they've been making shit CPUd for a very long time.

It makes no sense that a CPU can blow the fuck out of Intel's $1,200 CPUs for shit like rendering and other non-gaming shit, then suck ass at some faggot video game. I'd logically point out that the game itself is the flaw and not the CPU.

>>59489136
Your retard If you tought LPP would hit high clocks but what ever.

>>59493713

>so a meme resolution is something one guy tried and now everyone else wants to do it too.

Yeah I don't think you can call 4K a 'meme' resolution. Its been around for years and its the next stage of TV resolution. Monitors too if you have the GPU for it.

>>59489239
Single core you retard. Read the article.

>>59493729

>Your retard If you tought

Pajeet's phonetic spelling.

>>59493702
>1% and 0.1%s are what truly matters
That garbage, Frametime graph The true test

>>59493714
and you deem movie tier experience ok just because its 4 frames above 16 fps?

>>59488697
>unreleased product
>car and motor analogies

>>>/r/pasteymustardrice/

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>>59492994
DF review shows otherwise. Lisa both at CES and their launch event stated it was marketed towards gamers, hell even the first live streamed event besides the hotchips demo was a GAYMUR event. r/amd at full fucking damage control.

Vega is going to be somewhere around 1080ti in gaming performance, likely a little worse due to the arch being brand new and not optimized like Nvidia's stuff. 12.5 TFLOPS is 12.5 TFLOPS though. I think they'll target 1080 pricing -- $499 for the fat variant.

>>59488697

Every time you capitalize a random word in a sentence, an autistic child dies.

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>>59493724
>everything is at fault but the arch itself
>the chip is perfect m8 I mean goy

>>59493702
>what is frametime

>>59488525
overhype and under benchmark, like every amd product since bulldozer.

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>>59490478
>>59490986
>>59491669
>>59492994
10 rupees have been deposited into your account, dear RedTeam+ member.

>>59494415
Even if it doesn't live up to AMD's hype, does that somehow make it a bad product? If the price is in line with performance, isn't that the only thing that matters?

>>59494430
Fuck off.

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>>59494457
Everything and e-veryone will optimize for our CCX design and core + infinite fabric utilization, and Intel will sit idle and let them do this. Patches are coming from mobo to OS manufacturers as I take this fine shit on the designated RedTeam+ shitting street given by our beloved Raja.
>just wait

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>>59492994
>the next AMD product will be when sticking to AMD will finally pay off!
>I will be rewarded for my loyalty, I have to be!
>rooting for the underdog, choosing the hard path, they all pay off in the end!
>t-they do, right?
>it works out like that in all the stories
>AMD will win this time... I'll be the one to laugh in the end...
>I just need to wait...

I don't understand the hate for AMD fans.
They need compassion, love, help and understanding more than anyone else on the board.

>>59494446
So you like to see Nvidia keep toying with the GPU market while AMD releases their rebrands for the 5th time in a row?
>it's all good goy they are valued cards

I won't be buying anything more expensive than 300 bucks so I was more interested in the 580 or 590, and those are going to be shitty rebrands

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>>59493016
>>59492994

Hello r/ayymd ; )

>>59494552
No, but realistically what is going to stop that at this point? AMD would have to release the greatest graphics card lineup ever and it still wouldn't sell much.

>>59491473
>reminds me of Trump
that's the fucking point you idiot

>>59488525
Expecting is a strong word

>>59494590
If they were better they would actually sell even with AMD's non-existent marketing department.

>>59494612
>If they were better they would actually sell
No they wouldn't, let's be honest.

>>59494637
So ATI never had more market share than Nvidia when they had better cards in their respective history? Right.

>>59494658
You have to go back over a decade ago to find a point where ATI had the lead in market share and even when they had it, it was never as dominant as Nvidia's lead right now. It's going to take a miracle for AMD to get their GPUs back to 50/50 market share.

>>59494686
And that's why it'll take more than just rebrands after rebrands for AMD to come out of this position.

>>59490518
>Kek, Polaris was just a GCN shrink,

It ended up performing the same as a 390 with half the ROPs, so it can't be just a shrink.

>>59494720
You're acting like they haven't made decent cards over the years. They have, people just aren't buying them. Average normie consumers have no clue what GPU is in the graphics card they buy, nor do they care.

>>59494774
Nothing more but rebrands offering close or on pair performance to their competitor's counterpart because AMD can't put something better Nvidia can just shit out a card at any price range. You almost are going to sound like the 1060 is a shit/inferior card that should be rulled out just because the 480 "has more value".

>>59494856
No, I'm not saying that Nvidia's products have been shit but they've been close enough at the low and mid end that it hasn't really mattered because they are the known brand. I'm just saying AMD has offered good cards for the money for a long time and it has fallen on deaf ears, hence the need for a miracle.

>>59494889
That miracle being offering way more performance for the same/lower price. But instead they are okay with giving everyone rebrands that Nvidia can just counter at any point.

>>59494923
>That miracle being offering way more performance for the same/lower price.
Yeah and that's not happening. You keep mentioning rebrands as if Nvidia doesn't do the same thing or as if anybody actually cares. Nvidia's been working off of the same basic arch since DX11 was released like 8 years ago, you think anybody gives a fuck? No, because they perform alright and they're a known commodity so they sell.

>>59494967
Because they perform better or just on pair with AMD. Again, Nvidia does this because AMD can't come up with anything better, way better which also hurts their reputation. They also sell because Nvidia lowers the price in many if not most countries(beggar shithole or not) and have an actual marketing department.

$300, GTX 1080 performance

>>59494446
It can be, the last video card they put out was good, but when you sell it as "best card ever, so much faster" and it doesn't perform, it's a let down and a lie. Tell the truth, compete, better dx12 perf for a bit less $ and people might have accepted it more.

>>59495058
Ain't happening:
>>59492693

>>59494351

You are correct, yes.

>>59495558
rx 500 aren't vega

>>59495578
At bringing my point? Good.

>>59495585
And Vega thus won't be bunch of mainstream cards, but enthusiasts that'll sell nowhere near that price.

>>59495617
how do you know? there will be a small and big vega

>>59495634
And why would "small" Vega sell for 300$?

>>59495679
smaller price than big vega. big vega has the performance of a 1080ti.

$500 big vega, $300 small vega

>>59492994
>1700 overclocked to its absolute limits, probably shitting itself at 1.45v+
>using a 2015 Skylake at stock with the slowest memory available
>not using a 7700k at 5+GHz
Who makes these pathetic benchmarks?

>>59495709
I don't think so. The cheapest you'd get would be around 400$ anything less is wishful thinking. I don't recall AMD selling an enthusiast card for 300$ or less at launch.

>>59495753
i remember calling small vega as upper mainstream

>>59495889
I too would like a 590 Vega card around 300 bucks but there is no sign of one coming out. Unless AMD pulls off a 4870 that is.

>>59490511
Why all idiots think they need to stream their useless DotA and lol shitty videos to it's Tumblr followers

>>59496049
$$$

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>>59492994
>JUST

>>59493741
You can when games can't be run at 60 fps at that resolution without mud settings

I'm expecting delet this from every faggot having a counter argument why each side is better then the other

>>59494298
>Lisa both at CES and their launch event stated it was marketed towards gamers
ryzen was marketed towards everyone. that includes gaymers and yes, you can gayme very well on ryzen. doesn't mean it was marketed as a "gayming CPU" as that would imply it was marketed primarily towards gayming.

>>59493702
The human eye can see past 60 fps. Amd said me

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So, is /g/ now /v/ when it comes to Ryzen?

All you dirty corelets need to go back.

>>>/v/

>>59489679
>1080 price point
funny thing about that is that someone saying that it's a 450 dollars card is correct while others saying that it's up to 800 dollars are also correct.

>>59497021
I'd buy the shit out of Vega if it was $450, but that is a pipedream given its specs. I'd love to be proven wrong since Nvidia is probably selling at hyperinflated prices.

>>59496715
No you Red Team member. Kaby Lake is now the best CPU ever released by Intel and the 7700K is the absolute minimum if you want to play games.

>>59497146
>Gaymes

Off you go, anon.

>>>/v/

>>59495058
That chip is fuckhuege. Both the chip and HBM2 are expensive as fuck, the full Vega will be expensive, look at 500-600 at least.

>>59497175
*Insert overused joke about Indians and poo here* Aren't I the funniest guy? P-please laugh guys...

>>59497203
We don't talk about gaymes here, anon. We have a containment board dedicated for that.

>>59493644
No, this is a board for kids who got their first prebuilt "GAMING" PC with an i7 6700, 8GB RAM and a 1060 3GB and want to be part of the GeForce army

>>59497182
margins are artificially high -- for everyone, AMD (including), Intel and Nvidia, although I doubt AMD would deviate too much from the current norm it seems that their overall marketing strategy is relying on the pitch of better value.

I'm betting on a ceiling of 650 for big Vega, but leaning towards a 600 msrp.

>>59495679
>>59495709
There are new rumors that the rx 580 are going to top out at 200 this time, so the smallest Vega starting at 300 isn't far fetched. maybe there will be more that 3 skus filling the price ranges up to the most expensive one, probably at the 600 mark.

>>59497345
I'm quite curious to seeing how much a severely undercut Vega would fare against full Polaris.

>>59489642
diabetes

>>59488697
>faster than gtx 1080 in DOOM
Aka its slower than 1080 and faster than gtx 1070 while being more expensive than both due hbm 2 and chip size, in trash it goes just like furry x and ryjzen

>>59492291
Yet another brand ass sniffer.

>>59497443
>While being more expensive

Damn! You have the chip right now? Can you bench it for me?

Also:

>>59496715

Off to /v/, you go.

big vega at 499,99
one can dream right?

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>>59497495
>gaymen chip
>don't talk about it in games
>I far exceeded my age and should've been eaten by rabid dogs long ago

>>59497560
This is /g/, anon. If you want to talk about gaymes, you can go to /v/.

>Gets BTFO'd in productivity and workstation
>Has to peddle back to gaymes for arguments

>>59497345
i.e. currytech RedTeam+ certified rumour mill.

>>59497580
There are no bound rules about it but made up farts coming out of your old ass that are floating around. It is time to welcome your grave, grandpa.

>>59497618
Ahhh, we're not doing that exchange again, you silly goose.

>>59497594
this one is from videocardz.
haven't seen much from currytech yet, even though I don't go there their ramblings always end up everywhere.

>>59497642
I know it is hard to live with dementia and constantly shit your pants, Oldman. So don't make me remind you constantly to not bring up the
>>>/v/
argument again. The maggots grow restless.

>>59497712
You are talking about gaymes, aren't you, anon? We have a special containment board for that.

Why don't you post some benches of your i7? :^)

>>59488525
It's AMD, so basically, I expect absolute shit.

>>59488588
This lol

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>>59497780
>tfw the demntia hits

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OK, lets think outloud here

the last generation release the 10XX series and rx 4xx series
it was re-brand + lithography shrink
there was no new architecture
shrink allowed for higher frequency

so take gtx970
it got extra 50% power from becoming gtx1070

so it will be around 93% on this graph, that should be minimum

but considering AMD had extra time
and HBM which should show on higher resolution
I am expecting being between the stock and OCed gtx1080ti

Actual fecal matter from AMD's pajeet as thermal paste.

>>59497833
Nice rebuttal, anon.

>>59497913
I don't want to argue with an old fool twice in this thread. Are you shitposting and wasting my time with your Ryzen® powered computer already? A true RedTeam+ member at your transplanted heart.

>>59488525
Something better than my 290X around 600USD.

>>59497979
I don't know, anon. Do you have any non-gaymang benches of your oh-so-fond i7?

>>59488525
ve/g/a

>>59488525
n/v/idia

>>59498012
I only care about a solid, problem free chip that excels at gaymen. That's what my next computer will be about. And first generation Ryzen doesn't offer that. Simple as that.
>just wait
If you're happy with your Ryzen processor for your workloads that's fine, but most people care at the end of the day about gaymen eitherway.
>>>/v/
free argument.

>>59498024
>>59498120
>.t India

>>59498124
>Most people

Ahhh, not where the real money is, you silly goose.

>>59498213
And that makes Ryzen better for my case how? Good for AMD and your placed shares in them then, fellow RedTeam+ member. I am glad you won't die of hunger this month.

>>59498295
Thank you, anon! I made a ton off their shares at $4.80.

I see someone gets me too. If you would like a nice selection of games to accompany your CPU, you can take a look at the link below:

>>>/v/

>>59498324
shilling so much isn't good for your health

>>59498370
Someone didn't make their money off of AMD's rising stocks :^)

>>59498387
When I have a well paid job and don't have to worry about hunger and paying mom's rent every month like you do, I don't have to. ;]

>>59498441
>Not wanting free money

That's your loss, anon. :)

>>59498468
Bad luck, AMD. :-)

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>>59488525
POOR VOLTA
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>>59498496
Maybe next time, anon.

>>59498521
>when your marketing department has taken in too much crack

>>59498558
>Not wanting to be part of the Communist regime
>Not wanting the betterment of mankind

>>59497182

I always chuckle at this argument used by Nvidiots.

GDDR5X 11GBps 1GiB chips aren't exactly cheap either and GP102 and GP104 are pretty damn big chips to make. The cost to make margins between Vega and GP102/GP104 are a lot closer then most geeks think.

>>59488525

Fully enabled Vega = near-1080Ti performance for $100 less

Slightly binned Vega = rivals 1080 for the same price point

More crippled Vega = rivals 1070 for the same price

Most crippled Vega = Something more powerful than RX 480 and 1060 6GiB for a bit more but falls short of a 1070 which will make Nvidia launch a more crippled GP104 as a "1060Ti" to match.

It will end-up basically being a near repeat of Kepler versus Tahiti match-up.

>>59499184
>
>>59490540

>>59499336
Solid post, anon.

>>59499336

Not really. The laws of economics and physics have caught-up. It only has become painfully apparent. Fermi and North Islands GPUs were a massive wake-up call for the GPU guys. GPU guys cannot simply double the transistor budget anymore and call it a day. It is become too expensive to develop massive GPU designs and they already exploited all of the low-hanging fruit.

It isn't going to be like the old days where you get double GPU performance every year or so.


That's kinda why Nvidia has been moving away from ultra-high gaming market for big GPU designs into more lucrative avenues a.k.a non-gaming stuff. AMD's GPU division is doing the same thing as well.

>>59499481
In otherwords:
>>59490020
So, GPU stagnation as well now.

>>59497485
better than a jew ass sniffer

>>59499531
>
>>59499408

>>59499699
There's no difference between these two, fellow RedTeam+ member.

>>59499781
Ahhh, but there is, fellow marketer No.23178

>>59499699
>>59499826
Stop brand whoring. Unless you literally get paid for it.

>>59488525
based on 12.5 tflops, and amd needeing 33% more flops to match nvidia, that puts it at 1080 level stock

polaris the 480 is around 22% more flops to match nvidia right now, and if that's the case closer to the titan xp then the 1080 in performance

if amd is able to get the theoretical flops down to 15% difference, and vega looks to be filled with ways to fully utilize the shaders, its possibly ahead of a 1080ti

but this is all math and based on prior gpu generations, but i fully expect it to at least match a 1080

>>59499860
We aren't paying you to do this, marketer No.23178. I suggest you stop before you get fired.

I want moar cards following the r9 nano priorities

>small
>juice as much performance from as little power consumption

And I want amdgpu-pro to start actually fucking working.

not interested in the rest

>>59499860
>Give money to AMD
>Less money to Nvidia = they have to lower prices to compete
>More money in pocket
It is kinda like getting paid by standing up against a greedy monopoly.

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>>59488588
>Overhyped cringe ads, faster than 1080, slower than 1080ti/TitanXP, draw more power/hotter,
>costs like 1080
>wait™ for better driver.
>beats 1080ti after 2-3 months of waiting for better driver

I like it.

>>59488525
More poo outside the loo, sadly.

>>59488525
Vig Ebin Gay disAppointment

>>59500004
Yeah, totally how it works.

Have been getting amd cards for over a decade now (?, x1600, 3850, 6850, 280x) and itching to get Vega. I hope the performance will be close to the 1080 or better at a fair price. If not I'll go with the jews.

>>59500004
>standing up to greedy monopoly by giving money to lying pretend-philantropists

I'm becoming convinced AMD loves the underdog status.
It means they retain a core userbase no matter how shit they become, simply because these people see buying AMD as a "moral" thing to do.
All they have to do is dangle a wunderwaffe in front of their noses every now and then, and the people will even do their own shilling for them.

>>59500039
not even nvidia shill but fake graphs
http://www.guru3d.com/articles_pages/resident_evil_7_pc_graphics_performance_benchmark_review,7.html

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AMD's share prices are about to jump when this information spreads.

>>59502028
7 small vega cards? why?

>>59502242
Including mobile

>>59502286
so it's gonna be 2-3 desktop small vegas and 2-3 big vegas? this could be a whole line up from budget to high end cards, why would they even refresh polaris? this doesn't make any sense

>>59502367
Thats only small vegas and polaris refresh listed in the linux drivers so i guess big vega will come later.
It was said that there would also be a mix of hbm and gddr so that might be another reason for so many id's

https://videocardz.com/67524/amd-linux-drivers-lists-seven-vega-10-ids

does this mean 7 different Vega SKU's?

>>59502028
>>59503849
vega 10, 7 possible skus.
vega 11, haven't even got started yet.

there's gonna be a whole bunch o new cards this time. rebrandeon won't even matter.

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>>59502028
>>59503849
Nigga don't do this to me. If so, then what is the fat chip being showed then? Because if that big chip is small Vega, then big Vega will be a 300W+ monster.

>>59504391
I'm more excited for price points.
A bunch of vega chips for every pocket starting at 250ish.

>>59488525

I'm honestly expecting a $450 card that performs at around existing 1080 level (win in some games, lose in others but fairly close).

Lower power though by about 10-15%.

People ain't gonna buy it so they will probably have to lower prices in a few weeks and release a dual chip to make up for the performance.

>>59488697

Congrats. You have successfully started the hype train only to have it eventually smash into a brick wall upon release.

>>59504659
>HBM2
>$200
Nah, $300 at best. $400 if they like the smoking the Hawaii fumes.

>>59488525
disappointment.

>>59499184
>Nvidia launch a more crippled GP104 as a "1060Ti" to match.
That actually wouldn't surprise me.

>>59504718
10+ sku's. Some of them could skimp on the memory and go gddr; or is it literally impossible for vega gpus?

got curious about big vega 6144 SP and saw many mentions of it from almost one year ago, then the most recent ones seemed to imply that vega 11 was actually the small one meant to replace polaris (maybe simple confusion from the writers, since polaris 10 > 12), and now vega 20 @ 7nm mentions are making it even worse to search for these info. Don't really care that much.

>>59504825
here, random page from google implying vega 11 is the small http://digiworthy.com/2017/02/22/amd-vega-10-vega-11-gpus-feb/

much older one from tpu https://www.techpowerup.com/226012/amd-vega-10-vega-20-and-vega-11-gpus-detailed (same shit, vega 11 is the small one)

https://videocardz.net/gpu/amd-vega-11/ contradicting them

Vegina

>>59504887
I was under the impression that wccftech was contradicting themselves, but I got btfo and realized that they were pretty consistent in stating that vega 11 < vega 10. Didn't read every article under "vega 10" "vega 11", but mentions from one year back and the most recent brought basically the same tables.

>posted aug 15th 2016
>Vega launch imminent

I cried a bit.