Ditching Arch for Fedora

>>59485763
welcome to the patrician os, kid. enjoy the wayland

>>59485763
*tips*

>>59485763

Hi I am an Archfag myself and wanted to ask, is there a way in fedora to install any software easily through the command line like with Yaourt for example, I am just too lazy to deal with repositories

>>59485836
>arch users are advanced linux experts

>>59485836
are you asking what package manager fedora uses? if so its yum

I have been using Fedora for about a year and I don't think I would recommend it. At first I broke it when I did an update with dnf, it crashes Xorg in the middle of the update. Apparently you have to use the update feature which restarts your computer and applies the updates, this is the preferred safe method but it is a pain to have to reboot. I've had issues where sometimes that doesn't work.

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>>59485763
winner

>>59485860
It's dnf actually you pleb

>>59485860
dnf nowadays

>>59485860
Fedora doesn't use yum anymore, it uses dnf.

>>59485836
Fedora has access to some external repos like copr but it not as good as compared to Arch.

>>59485890
>>59485896
>>59485901
the more you know

>>59485860

So you can dnf install almost anything like the AUR or do you have to fiddle with repositorys just to get for example teamspeak to install

>>59486064
>how do i install gamershit

arch confirmed cancer

way to go /g/, you ruined an entire distro

>>59486064
>non-free software
>on fedora

HOHOHOHO

>>59486064
http://forum.teamspeak.com/threads/64697-Installing-teamspeak-3-on-Fedora-14
here you go fampai
>>59486092
>>59486134
>He wants to use something that I don't know how to install/like so i'm gonna be a faggot XDDD

>>59486092
I know how to install it, but it's shitty that I Have to download a file, extract it and make a desktop file everytime I install something

>>59485763
> the only thing it's good for is if you have 1GiB of ram
Fedora LXDE

Keep archbabbies out of my patrician distro, please.

>>59485763
>buying into RHEL test branch
Good, good. The more volunteer beta-testers they have the sooner we're getting new features on the real OS.

>>59486262
Arch is a volunteer beta test distro without the benefits.

>>59485763
Good OP, Arch is a cuck distro.

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>>59485763
Welcome. Fedora is literally best "just linux" this days. No proprietary botnet binaries "with licensing issues" out of the box, but there is rpmfusion if you need it.
Every software in repos is compiled with minimal modifications from upstream so you get exactly what developers wanted you to get.
Also fedora is so flexible when it comes to stability thing, you can use well-tested aka "ancient" packages from the main release, or enable @updates to get middle-ground, or even enable rawhide mirror to recieve fresh unstable daily builds using fucking stupid and broken dnf package manager.
Perfection: The distro. Glad to see you here.
*tips hat*

>>59486387
a beta test where the results don't matter

>>59485873
Explain pic pls, how is fedora involved with blue origin

>>59485873
Nice dragon dildo collection

>>59485836
https://copr.fedorainfracloud.org/

as long as you don't need nonfree software, Fedora is probably the most well put together distro out of the box.

the integration with gdbus, gnome, systemd, selinux, etc is almost impeccable.

if you need nonfree garbage and you're a moron, you should use ubuntu instead.

>>59485836
they actually use a package manager coded in python...
CODED IN PYTHON!

>>59488190
at least it has support for globbing

it even builds purty dependency graphs if you ask it to.

>>59488190
python is standard on Linux, gramps

Fedora's by design a forward looking distro

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As a new fedora user what do i have to do to make it as useful as my old windows

>>59485873
Nice proprietary hardware, faggot.

>>59488895
send email
write documents
do work

there's been no 'advanced' productivity gains in computing for the last twenty years, anon

>>59485783
This op
Fedora is literally the best, and if you ever work with Linux professionally it's going to be redhat

And if you're using a DE that's not Gnome you're probably retarded

>>59489090
why is Gnome good? I like how cinnamon looks

>>59489090
I tried to use Gnome for months. I just switched because it refuses to behave how I want it to.

>Turn off the monitor when the screen locks with absolutely no way to turn this feature off
Trashed.

>>59489121
Gnome is good because
>Just werks
>Full Wayland support
>Plethora of extensions
>Most professional support
>Your de uses parts of it anyway so it's better to have all of Gnome and have it work than some of Gnome and have some shit not

>>59489090
i use gnome when i'm using the computer casually

i3 when i'm trying to focus on a problem and max productivity

fedora problem is gnome 3 it's so fucking bad.

>>59489265
how do we fix gnome 3 before gnome 4

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>using an OS that originated at Red Hat, a CIA shell corporation

Korora was the first linux distro I installed instead of just running it from a USB
I've slowly transitioned and use it for everything besides gaming and school now. Pretty comfy.

Who thought it was a good idea to not have a proper taskbar? Am I in the minority for liking to know what windows are currently open?

>>59489935
get the dock meme shell extension

>>59485763
>Fedora
botnet, poor support, Redhat kikery

i mean it's better than Windows but only barely

So many people ITT triggered about Arch because they couldn't install it lmao

>>59490384
>Autistic elitist appears.

>>59490457
>mad fedora wearing autists that couldn't install arch comes flailing in
This is why we made it difficult to install. To stop tech illiterate retards with shit opinions like you from using our OS.

>>59490485

Keep telling yourself that... I just fired a junior sysadmin that adores Arch because he could not use netstat properly.

>>59490485
After succeeding, you still run around belittling those with no patience for Arch. Must feel good to have something to brag about.

>>59490504
I'm sure you did. But I actually did recently fire someone who uses Fedora because they couldn't use tcpdump correctly.

>>59490506
I've got many things to brag about. Installing Arch was easy for me. It just shows how stupid you people really are.

>>59489090
Sorry for being so retarded, can you explain to me in a way that a retard can understand how my KDE Plasma uses less RAM than gnomeshit while having vastly more features and better compositing performance? Is it because Qt is so vastly superior to Gtk? I really don't know.

I know gnome has way more theme/icon pack development going on than Plasma, so that's a point in it's favor of course. Although it could just be that Plasma actually has a modern and stylish UI out of the box, instead of the ancient and blindingly disgusting utter horseshit that is Adwaita. But I don't know because I'm clearly a retarded KDEfag.

>>59489623

I trust the nsa/cia more than neckbeards to make a secure distro.

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>>59490746
Enjoy your backdoors, cuck.

>>59485763
>>59485783
I switched from Arch to Fedora and it was the best decision I've made about distros. Everything works, updates don't break anything ever, and Wayland works flawlessly.
>>59486134
>What is Fedy

>>59485763

Based OP.
*tips*

>>59486134

RPMFusion.

>>59489148
Try the KDE Spin. I use Fedora KDE.

>>59490771
Give me a break about systemd.
I swear, if I REALLY wanted to corrupt Linux, I'd corrupt X.Org, not the init system.

And X.Org is a mess.

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>>59485763
I recently bought a practically new HP Spectre x360 "convertible" laptop w/ i7 Skylake & HD 520 graphics for a good price, and I've spent weeks installing all of the major distros, just trying to get it to switch from "laptop mode" to "stand mode" to "tablet mode" properly. A few days ago I decided to give Fedora 25 a try, and it's the only distro that worked 100% on a fresh install.

The closest I got before Fedora was Ubuntu, where I had to write scripts to detect & switch modes, flip the screen, disable the clickpad/keyboard when necessary, etc...

TL;DR: Fedora simply looks & works more like a professional OS than any other distro running on modern hardware

>>59490913
> I'd corrupt X.Org
Irrelevant for server systems, which hold the most desirable data.

>>59491107
You don't wanna know, do you wanna know why?

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>>59491122
OK, I'll bite. Why?

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>>59491122
Why?

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>>59491175
YOU DON'T WANNA KNOW, DO YOU WANNA KNOW WHY?

Sorry but what exactly was so complicated to set up in Arch that's automated in Fedora?

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>>59491186
Please TELL ME WHY

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>>59491194
'Cause I ain't showered in weeks

>>59485763
>arch is lightweight maymay

nobody gives a shit this isn't your personal blog anyways

sage

t. manjaro user

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>>59491186
pic related

>>59491189
It's not that it was <i>that</i> complicated, it's the fact that you even need to install & configure shit like drivers for the sensors, hack together custom scripts to sortof make it work, have weird console glitches when booting & shutting down, etc... I'm just sayin', Fedora has had none of that one this machine. All other distros did.

>>59488190
wtf I like fedora now

>>59488180
>as long as you don't need nonfree software
nice meme

fedora was my first and favorite distro. ive used Elementary and am tempted to switch back. virtualization via kvm was just so easy to use.

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>>59491117
>Irrelevant for server systens

>>59489090
>And if you're using a DE that's not Gnome you're probably retarded

This


lightweight cucks will contest this

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>>59485836
> arch users are professionals

I switched from Fedora to Solus, simply because of the fact that Fedora took over 40 seconds to boot, with Solus it went down to 14 seconds....

Now I think Solus is not so good, since you cannot find everything on the repositories, most software is budled as .deb or .rpm and it won't work on solus, so you have to compile it yourself, and because of some fucked up dependency it won't work.

I'm thinking of going to install Arch, I have neve tried it but I really like the idea to make personalized system, with only the packages you need.
Maybe I should also try Gentoo, I don't know which could be better...

>>59491403
Personal experience: neither.

Fedora/Ubuntu/Debian/openSUSE still are the best for home computing, really.

Why the boot time matters to you, it's beyond me, really.

Arch is horrible because of AUR and because of high-maintenance. And because it's a meme.
Gentoo is horrible, well...because it's high-maintenance. Even more than Arch. Unless you like that. Again, maymay distro.
Void is nice, but again, support for Void requires a lot of stuff being compiled by yourself. However, Void makes that easier, somewhat.

Not a maymay distro.

openSUSE...desu, as a Fedora user, I always found the openSUSE installer to be a pain in the butt, and sometimes instable as hell for some retarded reason.

>being a guinea pig for Redhat's testbed distro

>>59491511
>testbed distro
That's Fedora Rawhide.

>>59485836
arch users

>>59489935
>What is dash to dock

The only reason to use Fedora is if you want a secure desktop above anything else. The integrated SELinux config is fantastic, but the repo's are lacking which is why I use Debian Sid w/GrSec

>>59485763
Just did the same last month anon. Really enjoying it

>>59485763
Have fun reinstalling every six months

>>59493907
Rawhide is rolling

>>59485763

>the only thing it's good for is if you have 1GiB of ram

Practically any distro can work with a 1GB RAM. Literally no use for Arch.

Also, no real reason for fedora as well now it's been infected with NSA/systemd.

Get on the next level and install Devuan or any other distro that respects your init freedom.

>>59493907
I never had a issue reinstalling.

Since F21. I'm on F25 now.

>>59494275
>Also, no real reason for fedora as well now it's been infected with NSA/systemd.

If you're really concerned about badly developed software, really, move to FreeBSD.

Too much systemd paranoia around here when a shitton of GNU/Linux products are badly made.

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D R O P P E D

>>59494601
>Too much systemd paranoia around here when a shitton of GNU/Linux products are badly made.
Like pulseaudio. Ow wait . . .

>fedora on btrfs with lzo
>debloat initrd with dracut
>boot in ~2s with decent SSD
>completely modern desktop
>literally everything works as it's supposed to

Fedora is literally the comfiest Linux experience I've ever had. I'd recommend it for both normies and experts.

I've experienced a total of 2 problems:
Chromium has no support for ffmpeg codecs
No decent f.lux alternative(fixed in 26 with gnome night light)
That's about it.

>>59495008
only downside I can think of is their wiki/documentation...why can't it be like the godtier Gentoo wiki?

>>59494683
she's a cutie, and has done more than you probably ever will in software engineering

>>59495008
>Chromium has no support for ffmpeg codecs

does RPMFusion have a build with support?

Last time I bothered with Fedora, distro upgrades were guaranteed trouble and sometimes yum corrupted its own database.

How does Fedora with Gnome run on an x220? Trying to find something that runs smoothly.

>>59494683
>JVM performance engineer

Yeah kid, she's in the top 0.5% of programmers. I would inseminate her with babies

>>59495061
Not for Fedora 25 as far as I can tell.

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yeah it's comfy

lmao I literally just booted into the Fedore live usb and my touchpad click isn't working

>>59495305
probably need to update to a new kernel

how new is your laptop?

>>59495310
Asus Zenbook...pretty new

>>59485763
A few months back an update completely broke xorg. Reinstalled from a new image a week later, it was still broken. I switched to antergos, never looked back

>>59495322
works on my new x1 carbon right here>>59495236

after an install, stable has kernel at 4.9 and updates-testing has 4.10.3, which is what I'm on

I guarantee that would solve your issue

When is wayland going to work completely independent of xorg?

>>59495345
???
by definition is has to

what you probably mean is, how long until every single application uses wayland and translation xorg is no longer necessary

the answer is never

>>59495336
lol literally all I had to do is enable the touchpad click in the settings
I'm actually surprised, this is the only distro except Ubuntu on which my trackpad is fully functional
maybe I should make the switch

>>59495358
I'm sick and tired of the xorg virus, it must die.

>>59495367
i recommend it. the worst thing that could happen is that you go back if you don't like it

welcome to an *actually* polished distro

>>59494683
Tell me more about this semen demon

You're making the right choice OP. Even Linus torvalds himself uses fedora.

>>59490566
>>59490504
>>59490506
There are retards in every distro. You seem to the part of that group.

>>59490504
No correlation

>>59490504
So you fired a junior sysadmin for being junior? Boy aren't you the boss

>>59490384
I don't understand, is it intentionally difficult to install or something?

Do you have to use dd and create a boot partition manually using a hex editor?

How fucking hard could it be?

>>59491403
>boot times are a big deal
Who boots their computer often enough for this to matter?

This is a fucking Wincuck-tier argument for a distro.

Here's when you boot your Linux:
>after a kernel update
>major distro refresh
THAT'S IT.

>>59494275
I'm running Debian with systemd removed, on a 1.2 GHz Pentium M with 1.25GB RAM and it's perfectly fine.

Compiling shit is a bit slow but it's a fine platform for shitposting and doing other Unixy stuff.

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I'm about to switch this is comfy af

What is the upgrade process between versions like? Total reinstall?

>>59495163
BRUH DOES ANYONE HAVE AN ANSWER

>>59485763
>switching from a distro with the best package manager to one with the worst

Congrats retard

>>59496243
no you can just upgrade through the command line or software center

>>59496376
what's wrong with DNF? Name one thing

>>59496017
until you wanna get real work done so you need a tiling wm or you want a certain package and its not in any repo or its outdated and then it becomes a chore

>>59496450
>Name one thing
I don't like it :^)

>>59496469
what lol? you can't get real work done without a tiling wm?

>>59485915
> DNF or Dandified Yum is the next generation version of the Yellowdog Updater, Modified (yum), a package manager for RPM-based distributions.

What the fuck is going on with names here?

>>59485763
How is Wayland running by the way?

Thinking of making the switch myself, but I really want to see if I could get a full wayland system on arch. Is Gnome the only feasible option?

>>59496469
>until you wanna get real work done so you need a tiling wm
you spelled 'rice my gay ass desktop to post on /g/'s desktop threads and amuse other pedo faggots'

tiling vm to get real work done LOL

>>59496752
His autism doesn't allow such luxuries.

Why not just use Manjaro? It's literally arch, but in a sane way.

>>59496469
>until you wanna get real work done so you need a tiling wm
top fucking kek

installed fedora twice:
fedora on gnome wayland and fedora on plasma
one update and it breaks/no longer boots.
that's fedora for you *tips fedora

>>59497084
it's literally arch but without any benefits of arch

>>59496870
its pretty good I haven't had any issues with it

>>59489935
gnome has the best taskbar there is right now

https://extensions.gnome.org/extension/1160/dash-to-panel/

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>happy with arch(does everything I want fine)
>want to use fedora for some reason
>dont want to move over muh scripts and configs.

How do I stop distro hopping?
Yeah, ive used gentoo. Dont meme on me.

>>59497458
you just changed my life senpaitachi

goodbye dash to dock

>install openbsd cause free of botnets and CIA didnt vault 7 day zero hack it
>default X window manager is cancerous yellow background with only a terminal and activity window running
>wtf did I teleport to the year 1987 or something

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>>59497458
thank you and god bless

>>59488190
so does gentoo faggot

>>59489121
It's just good. It comes with all the bells and whistles you expect from a DE outside of the box (3.24 in two days is bringing a blue light filter and weather area in the notification center). For where it falls short in functionality, there's always extensions. The Gnome apps might be basic, but they're also light and get the job done. I only use a couple non-stock apps on my Fedora install.

And if you don't agree with the devs' workflow philosophy you can easily change Gnome's layout with things like dash to dock and dash to panel for something closer to a Windows/macOS experience. There's also things like panel scroll to make workspaces much easier to manage and use.

On the flipside, all of this does make it one of the heavier DEs, no one is denying that.

>>59496469
>real work
>tiling wm
Kek.

https://extensions.gnome.org/extension/294/shellshape/
https://extensions.gnome.org/extension/701/top-panel-workspace-scroll/

>>59497869
Is that GNOME?

>>59497084
because it's bloated garbage

>>59499563
Imagine being Kevin
>GNOME looks like *that*??

>>59497084
Arch Linux > Antergos > Manjaro

>>59499563
Yes

>>59490912
Not everything works flawlessly with wayland. youtube-dl piped into vlc needs --no-embedded-video to be somewhat playable.

>>59501868
>using vlc instead of mpv
jesus christ

>>59501868
why are you using that shit, just use a popout addon in ff or chrome

>>59502017
What's your problem with vlc?

>>59503073
Probably an /a/utist who can't list any reasons.

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>>59485763

Linux sysadmin here, just came here to say Fedora is GOAT desktop GNU/Linux

>>59497476
keep /home on a different partition so you can distro hop and keep all your configs and files

>>59488190
if it's anything like apt they'll separate the dependency logic in it's own library

>>59493106
they do a bunch of fucko USE flags as well so you can't play an MP3 in 2017

>>59495061
you have to use google chrome from the official repo, the fedora chromium is unusable

>>59496450
repodata is massive, packagekit leaks memory if you do anything

>>59485763
Why is fedora better than ubuntu?

>>59490913
>Try the KDE Spin. I use Fedora KDE.
I keep hearing people say Fedora's KDE spin is a horrid mess. Is that not actually the case?

I'm on openSUSE Leap right now but I'm always interested in how other distros handle KDE.

>>59503647
In my experience it's the most stable distro I've tried. Fedora is very future-forward, bloat is minimal, Gnome runs like butter especially on Wayland and it's actually really easy to use for a newbie.

The only downside is that people that don't use the default Gnome spin do run into problems and they don't account for as many hardware as Ubuntu does. Politics-wise, Red Hat gives back to the community instead of fragmenting things even more (Mir),

>>59496469
>outdated packages
>what is fedora rawhide rolling release
>what is EPEL

>>59496469
>get real work done
> need a tiling wm

Whew, child. Don't edge yourself on that meme.

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>>59497199
>fedora on gnome wayland and fedora on plasma

> install gnome
> THEN install fedora

I .... I actually want to see this.

> KlineLinux

>>59495925
Congratulations on computing on a piece of shit, anon?

Do you drive an 80s Oldsmobile, too?

*tips OS*

>>59495925
>compiling software on my old as fuck piece of shit Pentium is pretty slow

cool story bro

LOVE your INIT system brah, how are those boot times -- man you use legacy init, you must have like no bugs or security concerns

anyway I'm headed out, peace out, dip me in ya monday milk charlie

>>59497199
bullshit

>>59495901
Laptops

>>59504735
you spelled desktop wrong, a laptop shouldn't need a reboot for 1-3 months

>>59491331
I use xfce + fedora and enjoy every moment of it.

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>>59486194
alacarte takes most of the legwork out of creating desktop files.
>>59488895
If you got the Gnome3 version, start off by installing tweak tool and some extensions to make the UI less of a hassle to use.
>>59489090
XFCE is pretty good except the thumbnailer for thunar has an issue with SELinux, I use nautilus anyway but that might be a dealbreaker for some.
>>59489121
Anything Cinnamon can do, Gnome or Mate or XFCE can do better.
>>59489265
Fedora has "Spins" which is just you have a different starting DE.
>>59489925
Korora is really good if you aren't scared of "muh bloat"
>>59490146
>No proprietary software in repo's
>botnet
>>59490620
When will the DE wars end?
>>59491452
I wanted to like OpenSUSE but it always did things that pissed me off, like not being able to install packages because PackageKit refuses to close, etc.
>>59495163
I run Fedora with Gnome on an X220T and it runs fine, I haven't scripted tablet mode yet, I do however run it in xorg instead of wayland. gcolor2, tablet support etc.
webm example of smoothness.

>>59504937
Ehh...Not too sure I like how it looks like Gnome feels on such a small display, If that makes sense. How do you like it? Might try XFCE instead.

>>59502223
>youtube-
Lower resource utilization. Why fire up an entire browser just to watch some videos?

>>59502017
Straight from the MPV github page:

"Every other month, an arbitrary git snapshot is made, and is assigned a 0.X.0 version number. No further maintenance is done.

The goal of releases is to make Linux distributions happy. Linux distributions are also expected to apply their own patches in case of bugs and security issues."

Enjoy your botnet video player.