UMPC THREAD

>>59457996
what exactly is the appeal of these things??

>>59457996
>Where should i look to buy one?
2007

>>59458034
If you have to ask no detailed answer will ever satisfy you. It's simply something people like.

>>59458034
what is the appeal of an smartphone

>>59458056
For texting people, youtube and reading short things? I dont get what this thing has over a laptop, its not like you need to program so badly you have to be able to do it at all times...

https://www.indiegogo.com/projects/gpd-pocket-7-0-umpc-laptop-ubuntu-or-win-10-os-laptop--2#/

>>59458174
so v. tempting

>>59458098
Why do you need to be attached to youtube and "reading short things" and text messaging all the time? Can't you wait until you get to a real computer to communicate with others you don't need to immediately contact, or just call them?

>>59458174

Thanks I just ordered one.

>>59458174
>No joystick
I just need something with 5' screen that I can connect to external monitor, and run lakka.

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>>59461039
>not already owning a GPD Win
>running linux/lakka with it's shit cores instead of a proper front end on windows

>>59458174
>>59458792
>>59457996
>Where should i look to buy one?

kek

chink shills in full force again

>>59458174
>no LTE
>$600

lmfao

>>59461326
What are the alternatives?
Pyra? Smack Z? Not even out yet if ever.

>>59461300
Lakka is a front end for libretro.
Why would you need botnet 10 running when all you need is to play pokemon emerald.

>>59461396
Then get any Android handheld

>>59461409
>Android handheld
Why?
If I want to use an android any phone would do.
I want UMPC that I can run several OS on it.

>>59461447
But you just said you want a handheld for pokemon emerald

>>59461300
>unironically playing 300bux for Atom based machine

>>59461460
Then even PSP 3000 would do.
Basically my point is why compromise when you can get better options.

>>59461490
Exactly, why compomise with a shitty Lakka handheld if you can get a fully fetch Windows handheld with far more possibilities

>>59461468
>being poor
>not wanting a handheld machine more powerful than a C2D from 8 years ago in your pocket
Nobody is forcing you desu

>>59461501
>shitty Lakka
>[citation needed]

>>59461514
What does it do better?
Windows will always have better support for software and you're not locking yourself out from Windows games and better emulators

>inb4 I'm scared Microshit is going to spy on me playing my Pokimen

>>59461557
You seriously think that?
Lakka is a front end for libretro, the same program you'll be using on windows, except it won't use 1.5GB of your 2GB ram.

I was thinking of making an emulation machine with RPi, but didn't find decent screen.

>>59461675
>Lakka is a front end for libretro, the same program you'll be using on windows
No, Lakka is a Linux OS dedicated to running libretro.

No, you don't want to use shit like libretro, it has awful cores and performance/configurability, a dedicated emulator with a multi emulator frontend like EmulationStation is far superior.

Also, Windows won't use anywhere near 1.5GB on a 2GB system, already running on a 4GB system like those depicted in this thread it only uses around 600MB idle. Not to mention it's caching for better performance.

>I was thinking of making an emulation machine with RPi, but didn't find decent screen.
Then use something proper like RetroPie with dedicated emulators at least.

>>59457996
Get a GPD if you can stand literal chink shit quality with no battery life or wait for the dragonbox pyra if you want something to last.

>>59461737
>shilling GPD
>hating freedom

>>59461738
>chink shit quality with no battery life
You own one?
No battery life? I think the only handheld with better battery life is the Shield, having a few more hours, else 6 hours for emulation or 3 hours for heavy gaming is not bad, far more than a Switch at least.

>>59461738
>wait for the dragonbox pyra if you want something to last.
>Pyra
>good quality
>ARM
>ever

Kek, Pyra will be the quality of the Pandora, aka 3D printed shit. If it even ever comes out, they have been working on it for several years without any progress, it's outdated ARM.

When the GPD Win was announced they went full buttmad on their forums, thinking it can't be done, that's the level of tech standard they are thinking about when building the Pyra.

Also, Pyra/Pandora is not a UMPC.

>>59461762
Don't get a GPD Win, it's a very niche product for a niche market and most people don't know or want to mess with it.

Also, I don't hate freedom, I just like my things to work and work well, doesn't matter if the software is free or proprietary.
Same like with the Win, I wouldn't care if it's made in/by, Japan, China, US or UK, it just happens to be the best on the market for it's purpose right now.

>>59461738
>Pyra
>600 eur for the base model
>worse specs than the 300 eur GPD Win

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>>59461785
>Kek, Pyra will be the quality of the Pandora, aka 3D printed shit.

Why are you so mad? The Pandora was a great device with increadible performance for the shitty hardware (Pyra is similar in that regard: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cEbu-0kAtjU ).

>Pyra/Pandora is not a UMPC.

It's not when you're splitting hairs. Since you run a desktop OS on both, I'd consider it a UMPC, despite not being made by Intel/Microsoft (who originally coined the term for their x86-based products). That being said, there are tons of x86 games that have been ported to the Pandora alone, inlcuding Diablo 1+2, Half Life, Serious Sam 1st+2nd, RTCW, Jedi Outcast + Academy etc. https://repo.openpandora.org/?page=detail&app=serioussam1_ptitseb

>>59461813
Agreed.
GPD is fantastic the only down features are the terrible battery life and the OS lock.
If the SD card slot allow booting that might be solved though.

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>>59461813
>600 eur for the base model
>worse specs than the 300 eur GPD Win
Well, it has a longer battery life, more freedom (+better linux support) and more dedicated software (a more active community). It's not really for playing indie-games and in terms of emulating retro-games it's about as good as the GPD Win. Really depends on what you're looking for. I tried the GPD Win too and the build quality isn't any better than that of the Pandora tbqh.

>>59457996
>Where should i look to buy one?
Your nearest mental ward

>>59461851
>Why are you so mad? The Pandora was a great device with incredible* performance for the shitty hardware
I'm not mad, I actually like the Pandora, but it's nowhere a high quality device, the Pandora was actually very bad quality.
It was a cool device for it's time, I agree.


>It's not when you're splitting hairs.
>I'd consider it a UMPC
PC in UMPC means PC Compatible and not just a Personal Computer, it's a term that decades old.

>>59461860
>GPD is fantastic the only down features are the terrible battery life and the OS lock.
>If the SD card slot allow booting that might be solved though.
What are you comparing the battery life to? It's far better than a PSP, DS or Switch
8 hours shitposting is nothing special with it, I wouldn't consider that bad.

It has no OS lock, put anything on it you want.
It has literally an open EFI firmware/shell and you can boot from any device you want and long the OS has drivers for it.

>>59461880
>PC Compatible
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ultra-mobile_PC
>making things up on the internet

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>>59461897
>What are you comparing the battery life to? It's far better than a PSP, DS or Switch 8 hours shitposting is nothing special with it

The Pandora has a battery life of up to 18 hours in a smiliar form factor and can be used for shitposting too. In fact my EEE 1005pe from 2012 has ~12 hours battery life and costs about 1/3 of what the GPD win is.

>>59461874
>Well, it has a longer battery life
Better, yes, because it runs a weak SoC and shitty screen. But we are comparing 8 hours to 12 hours here.

More freedom? GPD Win is as free as any desktop PC, do what you want with it if you are a thing for Linux, but why would you limit yourself to your "community software".

Dedicated software?
The Win already has Windows library, you don't need any dedicated software.

>I tried the GPD Win too and the build quality isn't any better than that of the Pandora tbqh.
Did you try one like 3 months ago? At least the Win feels better in the hand, controls feel better, no screeching plastics or cheap display.

>>59461936
>The Pandora has a battery life of up to 18 hours in a similar* form factor and can be used for shitposting too.
Some people report way less. Still, we are comparing numbers most people won't be concerned about, specially if the tradeoff is a lot of performance.

>In fact my EEE 1005pe from 2012 has ~12 hours battery life and costs about 1/3 of what the GPD win is.
What has this to do with anything? Your eee isn't a niche product with size restrictions and gaming functionality, not to mention, again it's several times weaker.

>>59458034

When you live in the smartphone age its hard to understand its appeal but before they were more portable laptops.

>>59461905
i bet you also call macs PCs

>>59461905
UMPC is a development on subnotebooks, people actually called the ultra portables before the UMPC term was a thing

Just because a wikipedia article is not complete on the history of it, they where always PCs as in PC compatible

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>>59461851
What about Skyrim, Mass Effect 3 or GameCube/Wii emulation?

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>>59458034
A E S T H E T I C S

>>59462298
aka autistic nolife toys

>>59458034
A full desktop OS and a real keyboard in your pocket.
I would make more sense for me to have one of these with cellular data than a smart phone.

>>59462310
Name three pieces of tech you couldn't apply that description to

>>59462452
A dumbphone
A desktop computer
A dildo

>>59462452
keyboard, mouse, graphics tablet

>>59461897
it gets hot as fuck tho

http://imgur.com/gallery/B4ESM

>dat chink shit /csg/ tier thermal paste

>>59462500
Sorry for the issues. Please send an email to [email protected]. Please put "(your pledge ID + your country)" as the email subject, and attach your indigogo order screenshot and the problem of your GPD WIN. We will try to reply to you soon.

>>59462500
It does?

Dunno, you must have gotten one unit with shitty chink QC then.
I know they won't go over 75C even on the highest load with turbo in a warm room. Note that the throttle speed is 85C. Usually staying in the low to mid 60's for most games/emulators, tasks.

>>59462298
Where do I get pre-historic OS?

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>>59462532
No thanks, I deal with resellers, much faster and better support. I don't have any problems though.

>>59461300
I kind of hope GPD do a Switch clone next.

>>59462500
>dat chink shit /csg/ tier thermal paste
at least it was covering almost all of the soc die

>>59462621
>what is Smack Z

>>59462683
>nintendo, a huge company, makes a tablet with a 15W SoC, years of development research, it has active cooling, still gets hot when running underclocked with it's 15W max SoC
>some german kickstarter, literary students, say they will make a device the same size as the Switch, with a 15W SoC that uses 15W+ when turboing, but with passive cooling

Nice one, I love how they know how to rip off people.

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>>59461345
>Smack Z? Not even out yet if ever.
They estimate october 2017 and honestly specs seem pretty noice.

They even confirmed it has a 10,000 mAh battery.

>>59462788
>red_1337_star762
Change it to dildo_1337_smackz_shill_metallica1996

>>59462788
But they said May 2017? Did they change it to October now?

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>$300-$400 for a shit chinese atom based "netbook" with a gamepad on it and botnet 10

is this thread for real right now?
intel compute stick $100
display $30-80
raspberry pi laptop with battery and controller parts + 3d printed case ~$80
a real netbook you can plug a controller into that is even waterresistant ~$200

then we have this >>59462532
>i bet he's OP

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>>59462834
Fuck off gpd win shill, nobody wants your shitty intel "hd" "graphics".

That being said they haven't made a final product yet so I accept that it could flop. I'm not shilling their shit, in fact I won't even pre-order one. I want to see how the final thing performs like. They want to push this copper foam passive cooling gay shit but I think they will have to use active cooling in the end.

>>59462847
Yeah, this made me lose faith a little. But I'd much rather wait, this seems like the only UMPC worth getting desu.

>>59462862
Yet your computer stick or Pi are not even a fraction as powerful and a laptop with a controller is totally missing the point.
Nobody is forcing you to buy it, people who don't have a need for things usually don't buy them, niche things for niche markets cost always more.

>>59462902
>nobody wants your shitty intel "hd" "graphics".
Yet it made more money than the Smack Z did.
Also, I don't think they are devices that actually fit in the same class, one fits in your pocket, the other is a huge tablet.

>>59462902
Graphics aren't really a problem between the two, one has a 720p screen, the other a 1080p screen, both have GPUs that support the most current features, while the Smack Z in in theory several times faster, it will also have to drive 2.3X as many pixels, also one has a bigger screen with higher DPI, meaning running at lower resolutions, the one with the bigger screen and higher DPI will look shittier than the one with the smaller.

>>59461514
shut up shitpusher

>>59462928
It still fits in the UMPC category. Last time I checked UMPC does not require that it fit in your pocket.

>>59463076
They are both UMPCs for gayming, but different size categories.

>>59462298

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>>59462683
I want to believe, but i'll need to see a prototype of the final product running games before i put any cash down

>>59466550
this

>>59458034
Same appeal a laptop has only another magnitude of portability.

>>59458174
Can't wait

>>59461468
>thinking there's anything wrong with this
People pay twice that for cellphones with even worse processors.

>>59461343
Do you not have a phone?

>>59462621
Fuck that, they need to make a VAIO UX clone

>>59461396
The whole point of the device is that it runs Windows, the whole market is full of linux handhelds

>>59466689
>Fuck that, they need to make a VAIO UX clone
They make gaming devices only

>>59466767
Yet here we are with the pocket coming out. And the UX makes a great gaming device, I play Civilization Sim City on it all the time.

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I like the concept of a UMPC and I would like to buy one. What brands should I be looking at to get some good quality?

>>59466791
>Yet here we are with the pocket coming out.
literary a device only useful for dos games

>>59466813
Yeah okay buddy. If that were the case it would've just come with an ARM CPU and DOSBox preinstalled.

>>59466825
>If that were the case it would've just come with an ARM CPU
No

>On systems which provide the i386 instruction set, however, DOSBox can use dynamic instruction translation to accelerate execution several times faster than interpretive CPU emulation.

>>59466878
I still disagree wholeheartedly.

>>59466791
>Civilization Sim City
never heard of it, is it a civilization mod or a sim city mod?

>>59466912
There's supposed to be an & in there

>>59466939
an and in where?

>>59467256
Obviously between "Civilization" and "Sim City"

>>59467256
In your pants.

>>59462911
>Yet your computer stick or Pi are not even a fraction as powerful
Compute sticks are about as powerful. Both are weak as shit atoms.

>>59467430
Nope. Not even close.

Just because it's an Atom does not mean shit, you can't compare a Atom from 2010 to one from 2013 to one from 2015.

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>>59457996
What is the best UMPC I can buy for less than 100 dolans?

>>59467519
You don't.

how much is gdp paying you shills?

>>59467531
I want a small computer for shitposting that has a keyboard and built in trackpoint/trackball/trackpad. Tablets are shit and most laptops are too big to fit in my car/g/o shorts pockets.

>>59467593
>everyone who likes a commercial product is a shill
Nice meme

>>59467607
I fully understand your intent, the issue is you're not getting anything for that much. Maybe if you scour Craigslist and get lucky or something.

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>>59457996

>>59467593
Kek, why the autism?

>>59467641
Does it come with Vista? I want to use Vista again.

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>>59467499
Yeah it's just huuuuge. Here's a comparison with the 2014 atom seen in the $100 tablets.

Both are to weak to play AAA games. both are shit compared to a full cpu.

>>59467770
It's a handheld computer, if you're expecting the same performance as a desktop then you're a fucking retard.

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>>59467770
>AAA games
do you think AAA games don't exist before the year 2015?

>>59467795
Im expecting cheap to manufacture kickstarted chink shit to not be overpriced. Thanks to the wonders of the internet we know the z8700 costs $16 more than the z8300 found in ~$100 tablets today.

>>59467770
Now factor in the GPUs in those SoCs, their memory controllers, etc.
You are comparing a 2014 Atom to a 2015 one and those two already have almost a 40% difference in performance.

Don't know what you tried to achieve here.

>>59467887
Kek, you think Nvidia does not make a 90% profit out of their 1300 dollar cards?
Keep dreaming, niche products are worth their price.

>>59467887
I don't see what that has to do with you expecting a handheld device to have desktop-like power.

>>59467887
>Thanks to the wonders of the internet we know the z8700 costs $16 more than the z8300 found in ~$100 tablets today.
That's 16$ on a 36$ item, almost half more, don't see the problem. Still asking, what are you trying to achieve? We already know that.

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Purchased and waiting on:
Pyra
GPD Pocket
Neo900

Dream UMPC w/ modern internals:
OQO Model 02

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>>59467858
>buying a MacBook in 2009 with the same CPU
>over a 1000 bucks
>some years latter
>you can get the same performance but in your pocket for 1/3th of the money
comfy desu

>>59467978
As you can see, it's faster actually than a MacBook from 2009, both CPU and GPU.

>>59467957
>Pyra
>GPD Pocket
>Neo900
The Pocket is the only one that will actually see the light of day.

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>>59457996
>what is yogabook tab.l
>what is surface
>what is any phablet
This meme is dead.

>>59468068
Nothing you listed is a UMPC, fuck off.

>>59467890
>You are comparing a 2014 Atom to a 2015 one and those two already have almost a 40% difference in performance.
The z8300 is quite similar to the z3535 in CPU performance with the same GPU as z8700, your point...?

>>59467921
>I don't see what that has to do with my strawman
Me neither.

>>59467929
>That's 16$ on a 36$ item, almost half more, don't see the problem.
You're saying that justifies the $300 price.

>>59467858
>>59467996
>Single thread only
Nice cherry pick! Even in 2017 ryzen is seen as a bad CPU for games because games aren't threaded well, Guess how it was in 2008...

>>59468156
>Me neither.
You where the one who excepted desktop performance >>59467770

Fucking shit bait

>>59468156
>Nice cherry pick!
One is a two core CPU the other is four core.

>Guess how it was in 2008...
But the GPD Win is NOW, your point?

>>59468156
>You're saying that justifies the $300 price.
Being the only device on the market for its particular niche? Sure, I don't mind it's price, at least they keep up their work and it's in the reasons of the handheld market.

Macs are overpriced, people buy smartphones with even shittier specs and what are even cheaper to make for way more too.

>>59468156
>z3535
You mean Z3530? There's no z3535

It's a 22nm chip, not 14nm like the Z8700.
Slower memory bandwidth. Not to mention frequency.

>with the same GPU
Are you making shit up? Not even the same GPU architecture.
One is a PowerVR the other is a Broadwell.

>>59467770
>Both are too*** weak to play AAA games
what games are we talking about? AAA games from the turn of the decade run fine

>>59468156
>Nice cherry pick! Even in 2017 ryzen is seen as a bad CPU for games because games aren't threaded well, Guess how it was in 2008...
Any game from 2008 and onward can handle two or more threads, we aren't talking Ryzen level 8 cores here

the mythical surface phone will be the ultimate umpc

>>59468594

http://www.pcworld.com/article/3129416/phones/hp-elite-x3-review-this-could-be-the-last-great-windows-phone.html

runs full win 10 on a qualcomm soc, which you can connect to a monitor

>>59468594
>>59468643
No thank you

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anyone have one of these? how is it?

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this stuff is literally porn to me

>>59468709
What year is that from? looks old but the web cam makes it look newer than i thought?

>>59468705
I love it. Keyboard could be better and it's pretty slow, but depending on what you use it for it can still suffice.

>>59461300
>ARM
>Screen orientation issues
>Windows 10
>cant use mouse and gamepad at the same time without a USB mouse
>shitty keyboard

>>59468773
>GPD Win
>ARM
Why do you spew bullshit like nobody's going to notice?

>>59468773
>ARM
x86-64
>Screen orientation issues
Turn off screen rotation you faggot
>Windows 10
It's called Win, the point of it is that it runs Window, in a market dominated by Linux handhelds
>can't use mouse and gamepad at the same time without a USB mouse
You can switch between them on the fly, if you need mouse while in the gamepad mode, use the touchscreen
Why would you need both at the same time anyways?
>shitty keyboard
Ever owned a N900? It's perfect for thumb typing, it isn't to be used like a laptop's keyboard

What more shit can you come up with?

>>59468810
>It's perfect for thumb typing
Nah, they need to take some pointers from BlackBerry before they achieve that.

>>59468832
What problems do you have with it? It's literally the same kind of keyboard as a BlackBerry in landscape mode. Each thumb reaches half the keyboard and slightly over the center, keys can't be pressed accidentally and they are tactile.

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>>59468832
n900 had a way better keyboard than a blackberry, landscape keyboard for typing with both thumbs are a shit

>>59468889
landscape keyboards are great, portrait for typing with both thumbs are shit*

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>>59468864
The keys are shaped wrong

>>59468889
Fuck no, portrait's where it's at.

>>59468915
>The keys are shaped wrong
Are you niggering me? It has a standard layout keyboard, the keys are nice and clicky and big enough, there really isn't anything more you could want from a keyboard for a 5 inch device that's made for gaming.

Even then, for shitposting the keyboard is totally fine.

This is why i need a surface phone that can drive at least 4k in monitor space, that would replace my laptop and desktop and mobile phone. All id need is monitor keyboard and mouse at work and just a tv at home.

>>59468915
>Fuck no, portrait's where it's at.
you must have really small hands anon, I can see it being an issue

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>>59468915
>Fuck no, portrait's where it's at.
But the device is a landscape device, how would you do a portrait keyboard on it?

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>>59461468
>mfw

>>59457996
needing to have 2 clocks on your screen LMAO FAGGGG

>>59469015
>he doesn't know how analog and digital clocks affect people differently
it's okay anon, I was one 14 too

>>59468966
>It has a standard layout keyboard
I never said anything about the layout.
>the keys are nice and clicky
I never said anything about how tactile they are.
>big enough
I never said anything about their size either.

>>59468989
Nah

>>59469011
We were discussing BB v. N900 keyboards.

>>59468705
I'd like to see a slightly modernised version of one of these with some gamepads on the sides.

>>59469035
>I never said...
But you said they are shaped wrong, which is a pointless argument if the rest is fine.

>>59469061
https://www.kickstarter.com/projects/smachteam/smach-z-the-handheld-gaming-pc

>>59469092
> if the rest is fine if the rest is fine
That's the thing. You just said it was perfect and now you're telling me a flaw doesn't matter when it's okay for the most part.

>>59468730
1997-2003. First was a Pentium MMX and later ones used slow as fuck Transmeta CPUs.

>>59469131
I just said it isn't a flaw. The shape of the keys has no impact on it. It's not a portrait keyboard.

>>59469150
>I just said it isn't a flaw
Where?
>The shape of the keys has no impact on it
Sure they do
>It's not a portrait keyboard
Portrait or landscape has literally nothing to do with this.

>>59469106
>12-15W TDP
That better have active cooling. If it's passive it's going to throttle like a motherfucker, 4W is about the limit for sustained heat production on a handheld device.

>>59469106
It looks like a hideous plastic brick though, UMPCs have always had a bit of elegance to them

>>59469175
>Where?
>pointless argument
Argument has no point

What does the shape give them? It directs the user to use one thumb for the specific side, it does not help to press the key down, the keys aren't as easy to press that it would impact that. It sill has dots on F and J, it's literary perfect for thumb typing, might be an issue on a portrait keyboard because it's smaller horizontally, the shapes would force you to keep the thumbs on their own sides and out of the way.

This goes for both the GPD Win and N900.

>>59469272
It's just a better shape to type with. Try a BlackBerry keyboard and you'd know why.

>>59469348
I have but I really can't remember it.
I still think it isn't an issue with landscape keyboards.

Also the keys are dome shaped, it's not like they are flat.

>>59469408
It's literally nothing to do with portrait or landscape, it's the fact that half the keys are pressed with your left thumb and half with the right. Seriously how would landscape vs portrait even remotely matter?
>Also the keys are dome shaped
After multiple posts about the shape of the keys, what made you think it was a good idea to tell me what the keys are shaped like? You're dumb.

>>59468773
Stop watching half assed reviews.
Not to mention, you didn't even watch it all.

>>59457996
Hey /g/ let's make our own UMPC.
I'll start with the logo, somebody else get AMD to sponsor some Ryzen SoCs :^)

>>59469478
>It's literally nothing to do with portrait or landscape
Did you read >>59469272 ?

The shape of both of them is for tactile feedback, it's not going to improve anything, doesn't matter if the keys are shaped like you want it or just domes.

>what made you think it was a good idea to tell me what the keys are shaped like?
Because you are acting like the keys would be flat.
It's literally a design thing to keep the thumbs apart on the portrait keyboard, not to help them press. Literary useless feature on a landscape keyboard.

>>59469591
I'm done arguing, enjoy your shitty keyboard.

>>59469633
>I think the keys are shaped wrong for this type of keyboard so it's shitty!
Good.

>>59469674
Well it's worse than it could be (in other words, not perfect)

>>59469693
It is perfect. Because the shape would not improve anything anymore on a landscape keyboard.

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>>59469693
if we are talking about the n900, depending on what you are typing the keyboard is small and you move both thumbs on both sides of the keyboard for faster typing, shaping the keys to be only comfortable on one side for one thumb would be actually bad, on a portrait keyboard you don't type like that, I'd guess it would be the same for the win

>>59469707
The shape would be as much of an improvement on a landscape keyboard as it would be on a portrait keyboard.

>>59469790
See
>>59469767
Perfect explanation.

>>59469767
>>59469808
I type the same way even on my portrait keyboard. For the most part though, it's right half to right thumb and left to left. Having the keys shaped doesn't make it much less comfortable when using the wrong thumb, it's just additional comfort when using the right one. You're basing this on speculation and I'm basing it on personal experience.

>>59469835
>You're basing this on speculation and I'm basing it on personal experience.
no, I actually owned a n900 for years and I don't type anywhere the same on a modern portrait keyboard on a touchscreen
on a portrait you can't comfortably move left and right to speed up typing, on landscape you can

>>59469835
>Having the keys shaped doesn't make it much less comfortable when using the wrong thumb, it's just additional comfort when using the right one.
Fuck logic, am I right? If it's more comfortable one it must be less the other, using a unbiased thumb keyboard with just domes fixes that.

Stop acting like a teenager.

>>59469874
>on a portrait you can't comfortably move left and right to speed up typing
4u
>on a portrait you can't comfortably move left and right to speed up typing, on landscape you can
Again, I've got personal experience and you've got nothing but mere speculation. Which one of us is acting like the teenager here?

>>59469911
well I didn't say you where a teenager and you didn't even read it if you didn't see that I have used both

>4u
you just said you type the same on both keyboard, keeping the thumbs separate, it's slower to type like that on a landscape keyboard

>>59458174
GPD products look so badly finished.

>>59469977
Not even finished...

>>59469977
its not even done yet

>>59469937
>well I didn't say you where a teenager and you didn't even read it if you didn't see that I have used both
That part was obviously for >>59469892
>you just said you type the same on both keyboard
No I didn't. I said for the most part I do and that I use both thumbs on both sides here and there.

>>59469995
I own a GPD Win and dont keep my thumbs on just one side. They already have perfect tactile feedback, forcing to use a paticular thumb on a key would be useless for it.

>>59469995
so what would be the point on a landscape keyboard to shape the keys for one particular thumb if you have room to move them more than on a portrait one?

>>59470043
ignore him, he's just too thick to get it

>>59470066
Nevermind, if he might be a designer one day he can do as he wishes.

>>59470043
It's not forcing you to use a particular thumb on any key, it's shaping the key for the thumb you're most likely to use. It's not like the thing self destructs or something if you press Q with your right thumb.

>>59470048
Key's shaped for the thumb you most likely press it with.

>>59470066
Eat a dick

>>59469977
I don't get the point of the Pocket anyways, at least the Win in a niche in it's own market and actually useful, the Pocket is just a slightly smaller ultraportable of which there are already better options.

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>>59469214
No active cooling.

They are never going to pull it off.
Mind you it's 15W at stock clock, it takes more when turboing.

>>59470118
It's for the type of person who would want a VAIO P.

>>59470144
VAIO P has the trackpoint in the right place, this doesn't even do that.

>>59470118
>>59470144
Also
>better alternatives
The only alternatives to the Pocket is a big cellphone with a bluetooth keyboard, they

>>59470157
I never said it was a perfect 1:1 clone.

>>59468832
The keys on the GPD Win are not actually domes like anon said, they are like little arcs so they feel comfortable to both thumbs, something you must try first to understand desu

>>59470223
This.

>>59470134
I just read further down the page and the spec sheet for the AMD SoC is rated at 12-35W TDP. No fucking way its going to be passively cooled if you want any performance out of it, they're not getting 5 hours battery out of it either even if it's just idle.

>>59470163
>The only alternatives to the Pocket is a big cellphone with a bluetooth keyboard, they
Or one of those smaller x86 tablets with laptop type attachable keyboards?

>>59470244
I know right? I have no idea how they came up with the idea.
People say it's the GPD Win killer, even when it's bigger it won't pull it off.

>>59470256
What's more annoying is that the people supporting the Smach Z are accusing these threads of having too many GPD shills. Not saying that there aren't any GPD shills though, we have a few full time Gearbest Sales Representatives on here selling all sorts of garbage.

>>59470304
>Not saying that there aren't any GPD shills though
I don't mind GPD Win shills, it's a cool device and it's not like they are advertising it anyways.
I only talk about it when people ask questions or talk untrue shit about it, call it shilling if you like.

>>59470304
the term "shilling" has gone way out of hand anyways, you're not alowed to like anything or talk about anything positively that someone does not like, you're automatically a shill

>>59469148
Cool, don't suppose you know the model number

>>59470362
I'm aware of that. I wouldn't call any of the GPD posts in this thread shilling except this obvious falseflag >>59462532. Seeing how hard some people are pushing the Smach in here is very suspect though. The marketing campaign of the Smach is fucking huge and the Kickstarter page has too good to be true written all over it.

>>59470385
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sony_Vaio_C1_series

>>59470426
>Seeing how hard some people are pushing the Smach in here is very suspect though.
Seeing how this is a tech board, people should be smarter about these things and notice it's something not really possible to pull off.
It is suspicious.

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Hey /g/uys I used to own an eKing s515 and let me tell you the versatility of this autistic screeching machine.

>could play dungeon fighter online, and any game like starcraft
>emulators up to snes
>could use as a phone (straight talk sim card works with it)
>dual boot windows and linux

>>59470508
Fucking cool.

What happened to it? Specs?

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I had the Umid M1, Windows XP is borderline unusable without a real pointing device, the resistive touch just doesn't cut it.

>>59470577
Also funny thing about it is that its miniusb port actually provides enough power to power an external DVD burner. It's smaller than a 3DS XL.

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>>59470590
Reminded me of this

GPD Win used as a battery bank for a DS

>>59470508
Nifty

>>59458034
It's a novelty toy for some people

>>59458174
Too thick, looks nothing like the concept art... somehow they made it 3x as thick as similarly specced atom tablets

Pretty disappointing desu... and honestly I'd pay $800+ for a thinner one with a more attractive design.

Alright which one of you just bought that Vaio ux on ebay for $820

>>59471210
And a useful device for others

I do wish the GPD win had a slightly bigger screen, say 6.5", that it had true clickable joysticks among other things.

Plus every gameplay video of a GPD Win is people trying to squeeze something ridiculous like GTAV or BF1 onto it, and i'd just like some decent videos of it playing indie titles.

>>59458034
when you're out and got time to kill you can take it out and fuck around writing fizzbuzz scripts and shit.

>>59458048
Kek

>>59467996
>from 2009
Who fucking cares? Literally one fucking decade ago pretty soon. If you said this about a cell phone I wouldn't even be surprised, especially factoring in graphics performance.

>>59468773
The 8 bit guy review is shit

>>59473791
This isn't a board for tech illiterates

>>59474896
>oh no, something I like is shit, but it's your fault for watching shit reviews instead of shills

>>59477554
I'm just saying his review is calling it bad when it didn't really cover any of the features of the device and that seems to he where you're getting all your information from.

>>59481332
Wat.

Palm+Laptop+MP3 player?

Smartphones replaced them. They can't compete with phone spec. Use a controller for emulators, get a small keyboard and install loonix.

>>59481479
Or you could eat a dick.

>>59481479
>using a phone with a clip on gamepad
Seems bothersome, I just bought a machine that was made for that exact purpose.

>>59481375
Thats a denshijisho, an electronic dictionary.

>>59482892
How is it related to this thread again?

>>59481479
You realize that phones can't even compete with this right?

>>59468753
>Keyboard could be better
immeasurable understatement, the keyboard is fucking useless without autism-precision fingernails

>>59481479
>muh specs
It's not even true anyway. But the appeal is in usability, the appeal behind UMPCs is the idea of having a real, fully functional computer running an actual operating system that can run anything you can compile within reason and be taken anywhere for any reason, not fucking retarded numbers-jerking.

>>59484399
There's something I just love about the aesthetic of most of Sony's laptops and I don't know what it is. Their more recent ones are genuinely slick and their older ones nail that late 90's/early 00's charm.

>>59485064
>>59484399
Shit reminds me of the tech you'd see in 90s anime in the comfiest way

>>59485064

sony products have that particular kind of beauty to them

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no love for the sony p? I loved mine back in the day

>>59481479
That would work, if the projects for installing a normal version of Linux on a smart phones actually went anywhere.

>>59484399
Let me guess, these are really expensive and hard to find today.

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>>59485560

yep

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HERRO

>>59470545
Indeed this thing was great.

However its atom CPU was very dated (single core single thread) And when making phone calls it lasted an hour before dying

Also I wanted to use a keyboard and mouse and when I went to plug a USB hub into it and plug the peripherals in the machinenshut off and began smoking.I was sad but enjoyed my time with it.

>>59485856
That sucks. Did the usb hub have its own power source or no?