144 Hz TN or 60 Hz IPS?

In all honesty a 60 Hz monitor is good enough for like 90% of people. Anything after that is pretty much placebo. Our brains simply make everything blurry past a certain number of consecutive pictures shown in a second.

>>59453776
60Hz IPS, VA or OLED

>>59453776
TN vs IPS, the answer is always IPS.

It's as if you're asking "do you prefer a shitty lightbulb that flickers at 144Hz, or an actual screen?"

ULMB
IPS will look blurry no matter what fps you run (unless you use ULMB)

>>59453821
But muh input lag

>>59453811
The blurbusters website has some tests that make the difference immediately noticable, specifically the street sign reading test is what convinced me to run ULMB all day instead of gsync

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Would you believe this is 60hz?

>>59453843
>gaming

>>59453776
CAN'T SYNC UP
SYNC ME UP INSIIIIIIIIDEEE

144Hz IPS

>>59453950
Ideal, but too expensive rn

>>59453968
PG278Q has 10-bit colors, and tomshardwarereview tested them as almost identical picture quality, with the IPS pulling ahead in color *once calibrated* and the TN skyrocketing ahead in contrast ratio and pixel response time with or without calibration

What's the best 1080p 60 Hz IPS to buy?

>>59453821
High quality TN screens can look better than the majority of IPS screens.

>>59454044
Nobody who ever owned an IPS screen would write that bullshit.

Save up and get an IPS, poorfag.

>>59454068
ips isn't more expensive

>>59454068
I would and I agree.
That being said, even a cheap IPS beats 9/10 TN panels, TN is just the default choice for ultra budget manufacturers so obviously, the majority of shit screens happen to be TN
I definitely agree with him though, high quality TN vs high quality IPS, the picture quality is more and more the same, and it starts boiling down to viewing angles or pixel repsonse

>>59454068
I own a IPS TV, an AMOLED phone (Nexus 6P), and a TN monitor (Dell S2716DG). My monitor is at least as good as my TV, which admittedly isn't very high end. High quality IPS is obviously better than even the best TN, but high quality TNs have improved a lot. My monitor is leaps and bounds better than the TN in my Chromebook.

>>59454109
On the topic of viewing angles, if you ever plan to use your monitor in portrait mode, don't get a TN panel. It's just horrid.

>>59453843
>gaming
even so, the 8 MS average is negligible.

>>59454136
Maybe if it's giant

>>59454068
I own an HP 60 IPS and BenQ TN 144, the difference isn't much as long as you're not putting the monitor to your side or something retarded. The TN also has better contrast lmao

>>59453776
>TN
only cucks and ignorant niggers still buy TN shit.

>>59453859
yes, that's what it's like on my sony TV

>>59454084
good ips screens are

>>59454068
You can objectively find the reviews that get a color calibrator to do the tests, good tn are as good as average ips, tn has come a long fuckin way.

>>59453776
here is what you look for.

1) contrast, contrast defines perceivable quality more then anything else
2) is the monitor 120+ hz? this is something you will notice in everything, moving windows on a 60hz display will feel jittery after you use 120+ and it will be hard to go back, quality of life improvements all around
3) freesync/gsync, this is potentially useful outside of gaming, but not sure if its there yet, getting the monitor to refresh at the same frame rate as the video you are watching would stop a number of issues.
4) is it in or ips.
colors being slightly off, and lets be clear, with a average tn they are only slightly off, is something you get use to, and as long as you don't do professional photography work, you largely wont need the ips. this is why its a shit argument to make.

you want to know what the best monitor to buy is? https://www.amazon.com/Philips-BDM3270QP2-LED-Lit-monitor-2560x1440/dp/B01LXPX9I4?tag=bom_tomshardware-20&ascsubtag=site:thus|tid:148887833253946

That fucker right there gets a 1:4000 contrast ratio un calibrated, 1:5000 calibrated, it has an absolute lag that is on the shittier side, but if you are not gaming its of no consequence.

CRT

>>59454005
I thought it was pretty much a given that IPS were *always* better
no?

>>59453776
144hz if you play gaymes, otherwise prioritize bigger screen & resolution, or ultrawide

>>59454202
Made obselete with ULMB and non-retarded brightness settings

>>59454218
>Something *always* better than anything
>Ever
And where did you get that idea?
An anonymous post?

>>59454018
Dell U2417H

Dell's IPSs may sound like a meme, but from experience (U2515H), they're pretty damn Great.

>>59454136
>>59454109
viewing agneles on ips are just as shit as they are on modern tns that aren't no name brands, tn just has a color shift while ips have contrast shift. the main reason I even look into monitors is in case I can find something that has a better then 'you must look dead on or all else all the detail in anything remotely dark washes out hard'

but I have yet to see a monitor that a 5 degree shift from dead center didn't fuck the darks up so much any benefit the monitor had was moot.

>>59454220
>ULMB
This look proprietary hocus pocus.

I remember my switch from CRT at 2011. It killed my gaming and gaming enjoyment. I was confused at first, though my eyes went shit.

>>59454189
or people who need a monitor and don't want to shell out big bucks till oled or fucking something to replace lcd comes round.

>>59454256
incorrect. If you have money to buy meme TN shit, you will be saving money if you get a decent IPS monitor.

>>59454218
Do you need accurate color? ips is king
Do you need fast response times?
Do you need contrast?
Do you want a lower price?
Do you want blacklight bleed?

Ips fails in these three categories

>>59454230
What makes it worth $100 more than the other IPS monitors on amazon?

>>59454290
you just went from 200$ to 500$ in a single word

>>59454292
dell generally has strict quality control, you don't have roll the dice on if its good or not, in cases of backlight bleed, unless its also present on every other monitor.

60hz IPS + ultra wide is the best for me
I've tried 144 hz TN and it looked like shit

>>59454291
>Do you need fast response times?
you are a retard that plays CS GO
>Do you need contrast?
need a good IPS monitor
>Do you want a lower price?
You can't get good and cheap. Choose one. You need proof? you are getting a shit TN panel because you don't want to spend a 100 bucks more on something you will be staring all day
>Do you want blacklight bleed?
TN cucks believe this, just check what monitor you are buying, not all IPS monitors have backlight bleed.

>>59454298
arguing price when you are spending more than 50 bucks on a gaymer TN 144hz monitor that the only good thing it has going for it is that it looks shittier at a faster refresh rate too.

>>59453776
are you playing video games are not

>>59453776
144 Hz definitely looks a lot smoother than 60 Hz, but if I switch back to 60 Hz I get used to it within 5 minutes. I'd rather have better colors.

>>59454253
ULMB is the same light strobing that CRTs do, I don't know if its proprietary at the moment (only seen the feature on Gsync displays) but it sure as hell doesn't have to be proprietary to pulse light at its Hz
The black level is still a huge advantage for CRT/Plasma but the motion clarity is completely there on LCD panels with ULMB

>>59454220

input delay

I have a laptop IPS screen that has horrible colors, I can't even tell the difference between an antifire potion and a defense potion.
On my expensive high end TN, I can see the difference very clearly, and the pixels look "smooth" and "soft" compared to my laptop IPS
I think it really comes down to manufacturer quality rather than which light-blocking LCD tech you use honestly
I think that if you buy a high end monitor you won't be disappointed regardless of whether it's IPS or TN

>>59454467
What?
Are you arguing analog input over what I just said?
Please elaborate because as of now you just look like you have no idea what you're talking about

>>59454341
Oh look, you dont know how motion blur works and how its related to how fast a pixel changes color.

there is not a single ips screen that has good contrast, not fucking one.

see >>59454200 as that is as of now, the best cheapest high contrast display

you want a decent ips, you are spending 500~$
you want a decent tn, 150+ gets you something not shit.

and backlight bleed is mostly a quality control issue, however most ips have some amount, and guess what destroys any semblance of good contrast? you guessed it, backlight bleed.

and let's see here, 200$ for a 144hz monitor
filter ips only... and 600$ is the minimum

>>59454200
>BDM3270QP2
>92dpi
lol'd.

>>59454516
In tomshardwarereview tests, the point-for-point contrast ratio on the PG279Q was only slightly worse than the PG278Q (the TN version). But in the contrast test that included uniformity, the IPS fucking bombs like hiroshima
So "No IPS has good contrast" is a bit misleading if you're assuming good quality control (meaning low bleed and good uniformity) which you should if you're paying over $500 for a screen

>>59454558
literally no scaling required, it's the perfect size, and unmatched contrast outside of 2000$+ options.

>>59454569
>ips bombs like hiroshima
does that mean it is really good or really bad? sorry not english as first language

>>59454706
yes it does

>>59453776
>gaymen
Stop.

>>59454706
It means that IPS technology is destroying the Japanese race

>>59454783
well, ips is lg, which is taiwanese.

>>59453776
Anything ips with above 90% argb anyday

>>59454788
No that amva

>>59454347
>are not

retard

>>59454341
>>Do you want a lower price?
>You can't get good and cheap. Choose one. You need proof? you are getting a shit TN panel because you don't want to spend a 100 bucks more on something you will be staring all day
>>Do you want blacklight bleed?
>TN cucks believe this, just check what monitor you are buying, not all IPS monitors have backlight bleed.
The best IPS monitors in the world still have shit contrast compared to mediocre tier VA monitors or decent TN. Only idiots like you believe IPS is the king of everything.

If you were completely unconcerned with video games then you would have gotten VA.

Ever notice how no good high-end TVs are IPS? It's because the resulting image quality is shit.

Yes, they can have good color accuracy, but at the cost of uniformity and contrast. Short bio lesson: humans are much more sensitive to contrast than color, that is why the vast majority of displays can get away with 4:2:2 or even 4:2:0, but even in the 4:4:4 chroma world, IPS is still shit.

>>59453811
Not placebo, I can easily tell a difference between 60 and 100hz. But you are right, most won't ever need 144hz and the screen by itself is ugly.

I actually just traded out for a 144hz IPS from a 144hz TN. I still need to configure the color though.

>>59453811
Spoken like someone who has never played a fast-paced game at a serious level.

The only TN panel I've had is a cheap ~100 USD one, so I've never actually had a good one but IPS (PLS) is infinitely superior and 60 Hz feels good enough, so I suggest you go with that.

>>59455063
Spoken like an idiot.
http://pop.cerco.ups-tlse.fr/pdf0609/thorpe_sj_96_520.pdf

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>>59453916
SYNC MEEEEEE

Absolutely no need for higher than 60hz for anything other than gaming.

If your computer is primarily a GAMING device then please go back to school.

>>59455063
>game
>serious

>>59455603
144 Hz is still nice even for general computing

1080p 144hz TN monitor and go nuts on your choosing of a 4k TV/monitor, just make sure it's not TN.
samsung just released a 32in 4k IPS HDR monitor for $999, i'm definitely going to keep my eye on it and hope to pick one up later this year.

>>59455603
>mad he can't find high Hz media content

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>>59453776
Is there such thing as 144hz 1ms ips around 24 inches @ 1080p? Why do laptops tablets and phones have it but no 24 inch monitors?

>>59455645
Such as?

Go ahead, find me something other than a video game or a fucking video that needs 144hz.

>>59453776
I'm praying for QD LED to become real, so we get instantaneous pixel transition times, perfect viewing angles, great saturation, and not dying/color shifting in a year or two like [AM]OLED.

>>59455742
144 Hz and IPS are premium features, so they're only coupled with resolutions higher than 1080p

>>59454044
yeah sure.

>>59455992
Ur dumb

>>59454138
>even so, the 8 MS average is negligible.
It would be if it was actually 8ms. But if you look deeper there are few tn panels that are actually that fast let alone ips. A manufacturer rated 8ms monitor is really more like 40ms.

>>59453811
except I notice it every time I scroll up and down or move a window on my 60hz screen. Plus vidya games

>>59453776
/g/ where is a good place to look at monitors IRL?

My local BestBuy has very limited selection

>>59453776
IPS.

I have a 144hz TN and it was a mistake.

You can overclock many IPS monitors to 90hz.

>>59453776
If you play games, 144hz.

If not, IPS.

60hz is shit for gaming, and it always has been.

>>59456473
But if you don't run games above 60fps often then don't bother.

Get a 1440p IPS

>>59453776
>>59453859
Ghosting / blur is more a function of pixel response, not overall refresh rate.

Refresh rate affects the overal fluidity of motion, whereas ghosting affects the clarity.

>>59453776
If you do get a 144 Hz TN make sure it doesn't have PWM

>all these fags itt who overpaid for IPS who haven't seen the glory that is the S2716DG

>>59457200
I'm waiting on a S2417DG in the mail.

The S27 I saw in Best Buy had horrid pixel inversion, but the reviews I've read say that isn't an issue on the 24" like the 27.

>>59453776
IPS
worth ever penny if you tend to have glare

>>59457254
My s2716dg has pretty good viewing angles. The pixel inversion isn't a problem at all.

>>59454169
I got an Acer XF240H, which is a 24" 1080p 144Hz TN panel, and he's overreacting but not wrong. I've used it in portrait a few times and, while acceptable for reading text documents, it looks really weird and gets funky colors at the top and bottom edges. If you're getting something that'll be permanently in portrait, an IPS would be worth the expense.

>>59455612
It is when you are playing for money

60hz ips unless you consider yourself a "gamer"
if you do consider yourself one please leave and go to your containment board >>>/v/

>>59457522
High refresh rates are critical for code monkeying too. It allows you to see you made a typo faster and correct it before you type anything else.

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>>59457514

By definition it's not serious, it's a hobby -- a pass time. It's only serious when you're winning that money, more specifically when you're winning enough of it reliably for it to be considered a job replacement that can sustain a lifestyle worth living.

But up until that point, it's a time sink for personal enjoyment and that's all it is. Don't delude yourself, your accomplishments are virtual and meaningless and your sense of esteem that stems from your pride in your so called skill is laughable in the real world where the majority of socially adjusted adults don't consider the number of pixels you manage to fire more pixels on a child's game an employable nor impressive skill.

You're not Faker, you're not Boxer and you never will be. You're a tiny fish and an endless sea of children, all of which have their free time during their youth to surpass you while you actively waste your life on the off chance you might win money. You know what's a guaranteed way to make money? Working a real job. You're not going to end up on a stage at Worlds winning copious amounts of money, you're not going to be a famous viral sensation, but I assure you, none of that is because of a certain refresh rate or specific panel type.

>>59453776
144hz ips

>>59454138
>is negligible.
you mean it literally does not fucking matter

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>>59455633
>samsung just released a 32in 4k IPS HDR monitor
>HDR

I can't fucking wait for HDR. I need to go to a Best Buy or something and see them in person, but I already know it's gonna look fucking amazing.

>>59455983
... No?

There are a shit ton of 144Hz 1080p panels and a shit ton of IPS 1080p panels. Getting them both, at 1080p, that's the tricky part.

>>59454132
TN are still 6-bit even when they market them as 8bit. The dithering is garbage, and banding is still visible in gradients. They still suck at angles, precision at color representation precision (they make everything that's not saturated near grey). color gamut, and their latency and price advantages are gone.

But ignorant gaymers still buy them, so they're profitable to produce and market.

>>59455571
That PDF you linked has nothing to do with how fast the eye can see, only reaction time. There is definitely a noticeable difference between 60 and 100+ hz in both desktop and gaming.

The good news is that, as HDR is becoming a thing (like, required for freesync2), TN will naturally fade away from the market.

Finally. Good riddance.

>>59458349
There's plenty of comments ITT pointing out TNs still exist, even for non gamers.

>>59453811
Why does the first and most visible reply always have to be a troll ? 144 hz is insane, thats all.

>>59458766
144hz 1440p tn panel feels good man

>>59453776

Diamondtron/Trinitron CRT made so much more sense though

>>59458228
>they're only coupled with
do you know what coupled means anon

>>59457646
>being this butthurt about games on the internet

>>59454220
displaylag will never be ahead of CRTs
its inherent of the technology used
i know color inconsistencies and "greyish" black are going away, but the displaylag isnt going away any time soon. only the time between frames is consistently being reduced with refresh rate

>>59457646
Nigga, I'm a pro CS player. It's not a replacement from my job, but getting an extra $1000~2000$ (depends on the host( every month is pretty damn good. Also, hang yourself.

>>59453776
100Hz IPS

>>59453776
My college professor said human eye can't see above 24Hz. Which means anything above that is placebo. I trust a man who has a doctorate so there's nothing you guys can say to make me think otherwise.

>>59457646
>oh no, someone got a hobby I don't like
>let's show them how retard they are for having it
>yes, I sure showed 'em, let's go back to my super-productive kawaii shows

>>59455603

False. I bought a -144hz just to smoother work. I like it compared to laggy 60hz

I chose 1440p ips over 144hz. I don't regret it. I don't play competitive games though.

2160p60 IPS > 1440p144 TN
If you think otherwise, go to >>>/v/

Colour reproduction is always more important than refresh rate, unless all you use your computer for is gayming

>>59455063
>Spoken like someone who has never played a fast-paced game at a serious level.
aka people who are older than 18 years old and/or have a job

>>59454084
not shit ones are

Kids who care way too much about their K/D ratio in competitive first person shooter gaymen will care about +60Hz, the others will choose a higher resolution and a better panel.

>>59460897
t. professional weeb

>>59460897
Saddest thing is that they are actually just shit at the game and making up excuses for being shit.

>>59458349
Major issue of ops besides price is light bleed.
What about VA?

>>59460599
Or if you are colorblind like me.
Besides this shit I must concede, when my mg278q was being replaced due to green stripes, I used for a month a cheap IPS. Even being colorblind I must say the contrast and colors feel much better. It was a cheapo 23 IPS but I feel IPS is generally superior picture wise.

>>59457646
Le epic gaymers officially btfo

>>59460897
>I need higher resolutions so I can fap to six animes at once
You're on 4chan, kid. Stop pretending to be superior to anyone.

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OLED screens become yellowish after 4 years or less.

if you don't care about color calibration, linear gamma, and srgb/color like people in the concept art and publishing industry then OLED is fine.

IPS is good but if pic related appears greenish or pinkish your monitor IPS is misaligned and belongs to trash

>>59457646
This is the most pretentious thing I have ever read. There's something wrong with you if you're this butthurt about some faggot's hobby. Kill yourself.

>>59463321
>if you don't care about color calibration, linear gamma, and srgb/color like people in the concept art and publishing industry then OLED is fine.
fuck i meant

if you don't care about color calibration, linear gamma, and srgb/color and not in the concept art and publishing industry then OLED is fine.

>tfw don't want to go over 60hz til it's a little more cost effective.

I spent 500 dollarus on two 1440p IPS 60hz displays, I don't want to spend twice that for 120hz.

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>>59453776
75hz IPS is comfy.

>>59463321
Wew I pass thank god.

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>>59457646
rare item drops from games cost money.
maybe you haven't heard of 'digital goods'
one item can cost up to $500 or even more depending on community demand or its rarity

money can be earned anywhere maybe you're either too traditional or uninformed or tired of tilling-toiling the fields gramps.

>mfw i know dis even dough not into vidya

>>59457646
Good post imo

>>59463520
>Rare item drops

name one item that drops for free on a game that cost more than $20.

>>59460190
But anon they have 1440p 144hz ips panels. 27" for $450

>>59463321
what about microLED?

>>59453811
sounds like someone who has never used 144hz before

you immediately notice it from the ridiculously smooth and fluid mouse cursor.

>>59453776
>144 Hz TN
this

everything else is shit.

>>59453811
Source your retarded opinion

>>59463576
A factory new Sun in Leo AWP can drop and is worth $8-10. Not $20, but it would pay for the game in one drop.

>>59463933
Except for the CLEDIS it doesn't exist. OLED will see durability advancements by the time microled/emissive quantum dot gets to market.

>>59462767
The VA panels usually found in PC monitor sizes are generally quite slow.

Just don't be a poorfag and just get high refresh rate IPS lmao

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>>59463576
Twisted Bow
Ironically it's from a game where the action-framerate is like 2 actions per second

>>59463576
Runescape lol
Partyhats
Christmas cracker

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>>59467915
>Partyhats
Ive got some bad news for you...

>>59467915
Side note
Blue party hat is over 2000 dollars
What's the bad news anon

>>59467985
>over 2000 dollars
Bro, it's barely even 2000 gp, I just bought one and sold it to be sure

>>59468022
>playing osrs
Nostalgia fags not welcome

>>59468074
>*paying* RS3
How does it feel knowing you'll never match a player who pays to win?

>>59466306
as i understand, you'd need 144fps to see the difference at 144Hz. what is windows' "framerate" if you notice the mouse being smoother?

>>59468195
It's what you set it to be

>>59468207
so by setting 60Hz in the screen res settings you're making windows render the desktop at 60fps?

>>59468100
Irrelevant because I don't play to measure my dick with others
It's a very tiny minority of people who even purchase keys and even smaller who abuse it

>>59468292
What really bugs me about RS3 is the horrid inflation, not just with money
I don't play it but I hear that skills are nothing to level up yourself, that most high level items are extremely easy to get
I prefer a slow game

>>59453811
Come back after playing 200h of Counter Strike in 144Hz.

You will never be wanting to go back to 60Hz ever again.

quick question: is it worth upgrading from my 60hz monitor to a 144hz, even if i dont pull more than 60 fps in games?

>>59468342
It's not worth it unless you're able to get over 60fps

>>59468342
No, you won't notice much of anything.

>>59468340
At times I lower my monitor's refresh rate to 60hz just to see what it's like in games I'm familiar with 120-144 in and holy fucking shit is it a world of difference.

>>59468322
I wouldn't say that
I'm a mid tier player, recently got 70m cash stack. Most reliable money making methods can get you around 2- 4m per hour
If you're maxxed spider is said about 10m per hour but you already need a lot of money to do it effectively
Newest boss telos is only top end of pvmers
Skills are easier of course, but with newer content coming out why would they release shittier more grindy content than previously? Noone would do it

They're 2 different genres in a way
Rs3 is a lot about skilling, story and pvm.
Osrs I know a lot of the community plays it for pking and what not
Also the community is worse I've heard too.
Kinda equivalent to being a riven/vayne main if you're familiar with that

There's a lot more variability in the eoc combat system, not just auto attack and eat food when low

>>59468426
It's hard to compare snek to spider when the gp rate is so fucked up (I hear it's like a 1:10 difference in average gp) but moneysnek is several mil an hour
The newest boss in raids (apparently osrs dungeoneering) drops a twisted bow, the most expensive item which is still a 1.3 billion gp item
According to the occasional spam PMs I get, that's like hundreds of dollars converted

240hz oled

>>59456048
and that's why displaylag.com exists.