/Mars/ General

>>59452227
Elon is a cuck.

>>59452227
You could manage with solar, but you'd want nuclear if it were available, that excess heat would have plenty of uses

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>>59452421

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I like mars

>>59452421
more like he just has delusions of grandeur. Running a big-name startup went to his head in a big way.

There is literally zero point in a Mars colony. "Space is cool!" is the only justification for it.

>>59453857
List of reasons to not eventually have trillions of humans covering every vaguely habitable rock in the galaxy:

>>59453857
He's a literal cuck though. Here we have this beautiful planet, it's got just enough heat/cold, water abundant, green, minerals. And this retard wants Mars. He's a cuck!

>>59453857
Except having your name in history
Do you think faggots in 1000 years would be learning about him because he made a car company or made a few rockets?
If he manages to get this to work he will be in the history books for millennia

Not only that but if shit really does go down on Earth for whatever reason Mars at least still has a chance of letting humanity continue on

>>59453919
You have to be 18+ to post on 4chan.

>>59453962
>thinking more than a few years into the future is bad
>>>/china/

>>59453877
We got bigger fish to fry at home anon. Why is colonizing space anything higher than a "Well, maybe we'll do it in a few million years, if we're really bored" kind of priority?

>>59453919
Considering that people write books about Henry Ford and Werner von Braun, yes, actually, I think he would have a name for himself doing that. Not that wanting fame is a very good reason to do things.

>but if shit really does go down on Earth for whatever reason Mars at least still has a chance of letting humanity continue on
Humans are incredibly adaptive creatures, and we have a huge industrial capacity. Humanity will live even if there's a nuclear war.

>>59453981
>We got bigger fish to fry at home anon.
Like what? This?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PtBy_ppG4hY

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>>59453981
Humans will still live on on Earth, but they will never be able to reform society as it is now.
At least on Mars they have the chance to build a proper society

>>59454015
What makes you think that society would be any different from current ones? Especially considering those people are going to draw from current Earth societies, and be in communication with them.

In any case trying to control the way a society evolves never works.

Give me one problem on Earth that can't be solved by technology with in the next 100 years. Nanofabricators can make almost anything you could want. Robots can do all the farming, mining. Hell even quantum Internet connections can eliminate FPS latency!

>>59453981
>Humanity will live even if there's a nuclear war.

This

No matter how fucked up of an apocalypse happens on earth, it will still be an easier place to live than mars. how don't people see this.

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>>59454009
Whitey nevva bin on da moown!

>>59454054
We'd be bypassing the rubber-banding effect where earth societies and individuals are not developing evenly.

How many illiterate people will be on Mars? How many people prone to random window-smashing acts of violence and vandalism? How many people with terrible heritable illnesses?

By default astronauts are the smartest, the fittest, the healthiest. How many astronauts ended up homeless street vagrants?

>>59454054
This is a good point. Everyone on Mars will all be in a socialist environment. Medical, dental, food, water, air will all be provided for. I guess you for argue for technocrancy given the skill set.

>>59454054
Look at any developing country
The people have so much power that anytime any kind of authority arises a rebellion that just doesn't like it for what ever reason rises up and causes a several years long civil war undoing any progress that was ever made
If a a nuclear war knocked out all major world powers then society would try to reform but would have that same issue

>>59454097
There's plenty of riches-to-rags stories anon. Plenty of captains of industry who squandered their fortunes, plenty of geniuses who descended into madness, plenty of the most promising people whose lives quickly ended in tragedy.

Shit, a big percentage of those homeless vagrants are veterans. They used to be fit, healthy, well-trained men, and then through some combination of bad choices and bad luck lost everything.

>>59454097
Even if we sent our best they are still going to have children that may be messed up.

>>59454133
I'm not sure your point. Wars of independence are often followed by civil wars. We have no context of total world wide destruction. Even the sack of Rome happened in stages.

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>>59454080
Because as Carl Sagan said we are facing an endless fronteir and we are so curious. What is out there? I don't know. Let's find out!

Have a cookie.

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The whole Elon Musk SpaceX is bullshit

The rockets you see are mostly CGI

The who land on mars shit is already scripted and to be executed over the next 20 years it's the next "moon landing"

The Rovers you see on Mars are actually on a couple of remote islands on earth

The Navy runs the real space programme in conjunction with a few private companies.

If there was a real space race to mars it could result in another war. Hence we're already up there building infrastructure and the civvy show is playing out to keep other countries (Germany desu) quiet.

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Why is this dumb faggot wasting months and millions of doubloons sailing to his death off the edge of the world when he could be concentrating on fixing Spain's problems instead?

>>59454199
I fully support scientific research to satisfy our wondering about how the universe works. Thing is that if your goal is science in space, the humans just get in the way. Humans are fragile, need big, heavy life-support systems, and it causes a bit of a scene if you don't manage to bring them home in one piece. You get more science per dollar spent with unmanned missions. They can do anything a dude in a space suit can do, and the lower cost and risk means you can have more of them, so you learn more faster than you would if you insisted on manned exploration.

>>59453877
A Mars colony wouldn't necessarily get us any closer to this goal, it's a shithole that would take forever to make even remotely habitable on that scale.

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>>59452227
I'm thinking about moving to New New York but I have some concerns
I heard the price of living was really high (something like 1400 per month+ for an apartment)
and that the inner part of the city is full of ayyniggers that will harrass you on the understreets
I would just consider moving to a nice big crater and becoming a oxygen farmer but my gf doesn't want to

>>59454243
This isn't founded in impeccable science but somehow I feel like there's a lot more things out in the universe that look like Mars or Mercury or Ceres than there are that look like Earth.

That doesn't mean they're bereft of resources, it means we need to perfect our ability to carve little "slices of earth" out of them.

>>59454241
This just isn't true. Our unmanned devices are just not capable of doing what humans are right now. A Mars colony supporting a scientific and colonization effort will be much more effective than drones and probes alone.

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Reminder that if the idea of exploring and colonizing space doesn't give you good feels then you're a nigger and don't deserve space anyway
You can stay down here and look at anime tits until you die a useless virgin while they actually make humanity have a real goal and reason in life

>>59454199
sure, i mean what else is the goal of life than to multiply and spread.

but the putting 2 eggs in 1 basket argument is still bullshit because mars and earth are in the same basket.

>>59454009
>watch music video from 50 years ago
>feel uncontrollable murderous rage
this is a unique and novel sensation, thanks

>the guy who sang it died of AIDS
lol I feel better now

>>59454297
I think your post can best be summarized as:
>black people don't like Star Trek

Just isn't true.

>>59454162
Society is like a box of loaded springs and a authority is like a weight on top of the springs
if that weight is removed the springs will be in chaos and good luck trying to get all of those springs back under that weight

>>59454320
Counterpoint:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yy7GOO7Y96Y

>>59454316
It depends what your biggest worry is. Asteroid can hit any planet, but having two in the same system increases survivability and increases risk.

>>59454346
asteroids can't cause enough damage to make earth a worse place than mars.

>>59454287
Yes, they are. Up to and including sample return, if you can't put the instruments you need on the craft. And again, greater quantity.

Imagine if we'd had half a dozen Hubble telescopes because we weren't wasting time with the Shuttle, which was basically sending people to space for the sake of having people in space.

>>59454330
>retarded normies say that mars doesn't excited them because "drumpf xd"
I hope Mars does get developed and Earth wiped out so all the normies will fucking die

>>59454365
A guy with a shovel on Mars can do more than any probe ever did on that planet.

>>59454364
That's a good point but I think the dinosaurs disagree and would gladly live in domes on Mars than die.

>>59454379
Learning about Mars is exciting. Visiting Mars, while it'd be cool, is neither practical nor necessary.

>>59454243
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Earth_Similarity_Index

Mars is like the 3rd most Earthlike planet within 500 light years of us.

>>59452227
You could definitely support an early colony on just Solar.

For large scale colonization and heavy industry on Mars of the sort that you'd need to be long term viable you'd almost certainly want nuclear to provide the base load, and/or orbital solar.
Thing is I doubt you'd be able to launch reactors big enough to be useful for political reasons, so in order to get that or lots of solar power generation you'd need to produce them off world.

>>59453981
>Considering that people write books about Henry Ford and Werner von Braun, yes, actually, I think he would have a name for himself doing that

In 1000 years there won't be any cars left, no one will write about it.

>>59454395
>>A guy with a shovel on Mars can do more than any probe ever did on that planet.
Aside from the fact that it's awfully hard to dig a hole wearing a spacesuit, you're only right if the stuff you're doing on Mars is human habitation stuff. Which we can just not do. Chemical composition, geography, cartography, all this stuff can easily be done with an unmanned mission. Or, as mentioned, the unmanned mission can bring back a few shovelfuls for you, to analyze in your comfy Earth lab with all your modern toys, at your convenience.

>That's a good point but I think the dinosaurs disagree and would gladly live in domes on Mars than die.
Dinosaurs couldn't build domes, we can.

We can also build domes right here on Earth, if there's a major natural disaster. There's no need to go to another planet to protect ourselves from that possibility, even if it wasn't as remote a possibility as it is.

>>59454399
You could literally say that about anything
90% of your entire life is not practical nor is it necessary
Once humanity has fulfilled all basic needs we can start to go into doing what ever we want, and if there are people that want to colonize Mars then just let them do it, its not hurting you in anyway

>>59454395
dinosaurs weren't industrialized tho. if our mammal ancestors could survive the last one so can we.

I guess the benefit would come from a really developed mars. there could be trade and aid in cases like these.

>>59454413
Reddit agrees with you. Basically once they start heavy mining either they have to have nuclear or be producing their own solar panels.

But for 100 colonists I'm not sure if the solar panels we could send with 3 giant rockets would be enough. The plants need power, the humans need power, and even the air needs power!

>>59454470
>Once humanity has fulfilled all basic needs we can start to go into doing what ever we want
we haven't even come close to doing that yet though.

>and if there are people that want to colonize Mars then just let them do it, its not hurting you in anyway
Go ahead. Make sure you use private funds only, with zero taxpayer dollars.

>>59454496
>we haven't even come close to doing that yet though.
The important parts of the world have

>>59454436
Lots of people still ride horses and write books about them though its mainly restricted to a small enthusiast community.
There are even still races that people bet on where a horse pulls a small two wheeled cart behind it though they'd a pale imitation of the chariot races of a few thousand years ago.
Cars are such a useful thing that its hard to imagine a future where they aren't still in regular use, though internal combustion engines will likely be long gone, and owning and driving one yourself may be limited to a small enthusiast community.

>>59454449
>to analyze in your comfy Earth lab with all your modern toys, at your convenience
Being on Earth isn't convenient. The largest observatory in the United States has been abandoned because it was apparently being built on aborigine sacred lands.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Thirty_Meter_Telescope_protests

>>59454449
>Chemical composition, geography, cartography

But that stuff has been done. We know what it looks like, what the atmosphere is made of. Sure we need more details like the location of ice for a colony, but basically the stuff you are talking about is easy for a probe. Really exploring Mars means deep core samples and driving robots on site with low latency.

>>59454496
So spending 10 gorrilian dollars on increasing the already stupidly oversized military is just fine but doing anything that might even remotely help the world should never use tax payer money?
If you think colonizing another planet won't be helpful to humanity in the long run you're fucking retarded

Earth first

>>59454535
>Sure we need more details like the location of ice for a colony
Yeah, the only things you can't do with a probe are the things you have to do to build a colony. So don't bother with the colony and those things become unimportant.

>>59454544
>If you think colonizing another planet won't be helpful to humanity in the long run you're fucking retarded
No. Colonizing another planet is not the first, second, third, or ten-thosuandth thing on the list of things we should be doing to help humanity.

When we've eradicated hunger, disease, poverty, war, and pollution, then you'll have a case.

>>59454477
They were a lot smaller than we are, needed a lot less food, and tended to live underground to a much larger extent.
In that mass extinction event the survival pattern is really simple, every land animal over a certain size and weight died.
Which is why the only dinosaurs left are from a few lineages of small feathered ones that had low body weight.

Plus keep in mind that its not good if you survive, you need enough individuals in an area to make up a viable breeding population.

>>59454580
But muh Earth and Mars alweys give dah belt to us Belters.

>>59454604
But space research has helped humanity. One quick example. GPS has increased farm yields and improved logistics so less food goes bad. Overall food cost has gone down and quantity has gone up.

>>59454632
I support space research, anon. It's just wasteful and pointless to send the humans out into space to do it.

You'll note that none of those GPS satellites have pilots in them.

>>59454488
For the kinds of colony ships Elon wants to send it will probably take a few launches of cargo to Mars to support them.
Right now we're sill dealing with a world where each rocket launch is throwing a bunch of very expensive hardware away, once a good part of that is reusable the whole equation changes.

For supporting a colony it would probably be way simpler to send up a bunch reflective fabric, the material for a central tower, and some salts that would be kept molten for power storage.
That would probably be a lot easier than sending a ton of PV.

>>59454604
>When we've eradicated hunger, disease, poverty, war, and pollution, then you'll have a case.
>We can't do other things until we've finished everything else!
That's how you get society to advance slow as fuck, anon

>>59454685
Having a Mars colony defends humanity against a few very, very remote possibilities of planet-wide catastrophe. Their very low probability means they are very low priorities to defend against. And if we want to, there are easier, faster, and cheaper ways to defend against them. (Think that seed vault they have in Norway) In big things as in little things, you tackle the urgent problems first, and leave the remote problems afterwards.

>>59454685
Right, you can never predict all the outcomes of basic research or moon shot projects.
Would we have been able to feed the global population without genetics experimentation earlier in the last century that seemed fruitless?
Would we be having this discussion now if there hadn't been a need for electronics light and small enough to be used in aerospace or the need for networking that could survive a full scale war?

For all we know the solution to hunger is genetically engineered soy grown on Ganymede.

>>59454604
>don't attempt this project until after you've done the impossible

>>59454774
well if you think humanity can't fix its current rather wretched state on Earth, what makes you think that space colonization is a project worth attempting at all?

>>59454662
But those gps sats are controlled locally with a low latency connection from Earth

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>>59454796
Elon Musk is South African. The man knows that some problems you just have to run away from.

>>59454796
Expansion with access to new resources allows for larger populations which paradoxically allows for higher standard of living because of more chances to produce people capable of solving the problems.

>>59454800
You don't need low latency. This isn't Counterstrike. We had stored-program computers more than half a century ago. NASA is still controlling Voyager 2 quite well with a latency of almost a day, one-way. You send up a script for what the probe should do, it does it, you get the data back. This does not need a human watching in real time with twitch reflexes.

>>59454796
I don't see the need to fix all of Earth's problems before we go to Mars.

Frankly the Earth doesn't even have that many problems. Wars and conflicts in general are down, population is way up so more people have food.

>>59454835
Those gps sats have to constantly sync with earth based atomic clocks.

A remote control drone needs a low latency connection on Mars. We need quadcopters looking for sources of ice. Mars global surveyor doesn't have the resolution or the ability to check out caves /shadows.

If it's just a matter of cost then a self-sustaining Martian colony would eventually generate revenue rather than consume it.

The United States or Australia are not dependent on constant inputs of resources from England to sustain their civilizations.

>>59454833
>resources
We have plenty of rust and carbon dioxide right here on Earth, anon. If it's living space we're after, there's plenty of unused land down here. And its easier, faster, and cheaper to use that space here on Earth, instead of building a small colony on Mars at fantastic expense. The same way that if you're cleaning your room and need more space, you don't rent a shoebox in Antarctica and mail some of your shit there to be stored in it.

>>59454820
Shipping them a bunch of condoms would be cheaper and more effective than expanding onto another planet to provide overflow space.

>>59454838
I don't see what of Earth's problems colonizing Mars fixes.

>>59454870
>We need quadcopters looking for sources of ice.
Only if people are gonna live there. This is circular reasoning. "We have to send people into space!" "Why?" "To research how humans can live in space!" "Why do we need to know that?" "So we can send people into space!"

"Space is really cool!" is a good argument to buy a telescope. It's not a good argument to spend decades and trillions of dollars colonizing another planet.

>>59453906
somewhere along the way the work cuck lost its meaning

>>59454897
This
Of fucking course starting off a colony takes money but eventually you will have a self sustaining nation or nations on Mars making the worlds economy grow

>>59454902
>Shipping them a bunch of condoms would be cheaper and more effective
They won't use them. In some cases it's religious, but figures like Malema and Erdogan flat out tell their supporters "Your wombs are weapons, use them"

>than expanding onto another planet to provide overflow space.
The other planet isn't for THEM, they get Earth. Good luck sailing to Mars in an inflatable dinghy.

>>59454934
>implying they can't follow you
You know India has a space program don't you anon?

>>59454954
Do they intend to send beggars into space?

>>59454902
Earth is at the bottom of a deep gravity well and has a lot of political problems that stop you from doing really fun stuff especially now that we've realized that maybe releasing all this carbon that's been sequestered for a few hundred million years may not be that great of an idea.

On the far side of the Moon or on Mars there's basically nobody who is going to complain if you strip mine out hundreds of tons of materials to produce solar panels for orbital installations, or mine sources of fissionable materials to enrich them for use in reactors that will be heading to the outer planets.

>>59453857
>There is literally zero point in a Mars colony.
what about making our spice global disaster-proof?

>>59454399
>not practical
>only 4 months away
It's as practical as going to the moon.

And it's private money so who gives a fuck.

>>59454993
A.) small risk, due to the minuscule possibility of anything on an existential-threat level happening.

B.) Defending against the possibility can be done more easily, more cheaply, and just as effectively buy building defenses here on Earth.

The earth is too small, philosophically.

You can go anywhere within 24 hours. A terrible monoculture is forming.

We need people with distance.

>>59454364
Mate, you are genuinely disabled if you believe that

>>59453772
I've always wondered. What software do you use to get the wallpaper to line up like that on mismatched resolutions?

>>59455121
DisplayFusion for wangblows
Not sure about any for loonix but that probably is dependent on your DE anyway

Sometimes the way to solve problems is to create them first.

You can't say a mars colony wouldn't benefit humanity because obviously we haven't gotten one there yet so you can't possibly know how "useful" it'll be.

what if Martian soil has elements of such purity we can't get on Earth, or elements in states that are easier to process? You could probably make some great batteries from Martian lithium and iron and you wouldn't be fucking up an ecosystem to mine it.

>>59455141
>wangblows
still makes me laugh every time.

The last mars thread.

The only logical next step is to colanize the moon and use that to proppel Physical objects into and beyond our solar system.

>>59455644
Building the rockets and fuel on the moon would take a lot of infrastructure. And you can't terraform the moon so it's pretty pointless when you can just build the infrastructure on a planet that's only 4 months away from the moon instead and one that happens to potentially be transformed into an actual livable planet.

Building is what we do, this will not be the problem.

Producing substinence ultimatly requires the manufacture, or Reverse manufacture of Oxygen and Hydrogen and that is the problem I think we should double effort.

Spasibo.

>>59455108
If a permanent colony is established on mars it will never be isolated enough from us to form it's own unique culture. It'll be hooked up to the earth's internet.

>>59456001
Internet on Mars would never be connected enough to carry over culture
Reminder that even at the speed of light they have a 8 minute delay from us
They would more than likely try to just make mirrors of a lot of websites so that they would be able to use at least some of the internet at an acceptable speed

Of course Mars will be connected, mostly by educated elite 1%

(Russian laugh)

>>59454097
Why not just exterminate all the untermenschen on Earth instead of cowardly running away from them?

>>59456067
Marz ISP will be let you subscribe to 10 websites that cache daily.
You will also be able to stream netflix with an 8 minute buffer when the sun isn't blocking earth.

>>59452227
A radiation shield is the first step, and we could launch it next year if we wanted to. https://phys.org/news/2017-03-nasa-magnetic-shield-mars-atmosphere.html

>>59456067
email would work just fine. That's more than enough to keep cultures connected. Plus there'd presumably be people coming to the colony, and others leaving and going back.

To the people that don't want us to colonize Mars. Your opinion is irrelevant. We are doing this.

Any "scientist" supporting a Mars mission needs to relearn astrophysics. Mars has a weak magnetic feild and atmosphere, you know, the two things that keep the sun from giving us cancer in day to day life.

Even if you had unobtainium that could protect from the cosmic/solar radiation it would still be more worthwhile to use the same technology build a lunar or titan outpost. Mars has shit resources, the sabatier reaction is ineffective without a constant flow of hydrogen getting delivered to Mars. Its much more logical to use the Moon's oxygen, glass, metals, and helium-3 with Titan's methane to form an outer solar transit system.

>>59456299
Its retarded why not go to any other desert rock in the solar system???

Mars will surely appease the psuedoscientists into feeling like they were part of something significant in their lives. Scientists of the future will laugh at the generation that sent astronauts to their cancerous deaths on Mars, a desert planet with poor resources and launch conditions.

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I always thought that we'd have a lot more to benefit from by creating Seasteadings first. The Technology we'd develop for this might actually benefit us for Future Space explorations.

>>59456368
Mars is the closest body to earth with an atmosphere.

>>59456396
Incorrect. Venus is closer.

I say go to Mars, The rest of the White world has better things to first think about and then act on.

>>59456396
Incorrect. Mars was a very weak atmosphere.

Titan has the best atmospheric conditions followed by Venus.

>>59456398
it also has an atmosphere that's thick enough launching things from the surface would be really difficult, which maybe isn't that big of a deal since the temperature and pressure at the surface will crush and melt just about anything we throw at it.
Plus the gravity well is as deep as Earth's, and there's no easily accessible orbital resources.

Mars is a better choice for colonization, you can easily make fuel from the atmosphere or the ice caps, it has a pair of moons, and the delta v to the asteroid belt is better.

>>59452227
Humans can't live on mars
The gravity is too low and radiation is too high
Plus there is absolutely nothing there that is worth shipping back to earth
At best it can be a ship-port for trips to the outer planets

>>59456398
Venus atmosphere isn't survivable.

>>59456424
>venus
>best atmospheric conditions
it's 500c and 100bar friendo
not to mention highly acidic

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>>59454078
>technology solves everything!
Don't do this

>>59456384
I'm this anon >>59456318

I completely agree. I think the priority should be

>Floating Ocean city
>Underground/ice antarctic city
>Undersea City

When those can be done sustainably we should build a Lunar Elevator with tethers connected to the Lunar equator and south pole.

Then we should build an elevator on Earth, using the floating ocean city as the tether point.

Once we have that setup, we can use a similar elevator on Titan.

I have logs written with ideas for a lunar / titan outpost, I'll eventually be making ones for the ocean, antarctic, and venus.

http://scry.online/logs/logs.html

Ignore Carbon and oxygen please.

>believing in planets and sensationalized space shit

Normies get out!

>>59456500
Technology does solve everything.

>>59456486
The upper atmosphere is
Once we are able to place airships in the cloud level Venus will offer an amazing opportunity
Not to mention it has more valuable recourses, shipping between earth is faster/easier and it has earth-like gravity

>>59456486
>>59456490

Venus has a section of atmosphere with pressure and temperature similar to earth that humans could easy survive in. NASA has even made homage to Venetian Cloud Citys.

Last year ESA discovered Venus also has Extremely cold regions. The potential energy production of a heat engine (vapor compression loop) on Venus outweighs any energy production potential of Mars.

>>59456518
No it does not, it creates as many problems as it solves

People solve problems
We can solve our issues with any level of technology, hypothetically.

>>59456539
I bet the sulphuric acid rain will make things 10 times easier!

>>59452227
Mars is MUCH farther from the sun than Earth. Solar is EVEN SHITTIER on mars, and manufacturing it there would be nigh impossible.

Wind on the other hand, they have no shortage of, and a lot of the components could be 3d printed.

>>59456539
There's nothing valuable on mars at all
Just iron which earth has in abundance

>>59456531
>>59456539
Cloud city is beyond our technology and the worst part is unlike Mars you can't mine anything but gas making the colony totally dependent on Earth supplies. Mars can manufacture their own stuff in time.

>>59455022
There's a small risk now, which makes it an ideal time to learn the techniques and develop the technologies to accomplish it when there's a high risk.

>>59456556
You mean the acid that is underneath the region I'm discussing?

Ya thats underneath the region I'm discussing.

>>59456557
>wind on mars
Someone watched too much The Martian. Solar might even be more effective than on Earth because they don't have an Ozone layer blocking out half the UV, which according to the photoelectric effect produces more energy.

>>59456548
Stop lying. People died young before antibiotics. And that is one technology. To say that technology is not solving problems is just not true.

>>59456568
Remote robotic mines working the surface and controlled by orbital or floating "cities" is definitely possible

Our current issue is landing in the upper atmosphere of Venus which is very difficult
One possibility is to land on the surface then rise to the higher levels from there, but that leaves the crew open to environmental dangers

Alternatively a shuttle-like craft similar to the Blackbird but launched from an orbital platform could fly into the atmosphere then deploy a balloon from there

>>59456568
Its the same technology used for boats and blimps.

Mars is absolutely incapable of selfsufficiency.
Rocket fuel and energy cannot be produced on Mars without using all of the ice that remains there or receiving regular hydrogen rations from Earth.

>>59456575
Are the cold spots also above the acid? What about all the ground resources needed to make a self-sustaining colony?

>>59456589
Because dying is the only problem we face.
It's a myth that people in the past were so utterly sticky and dying left and right, or that we are significantly more healthy now.
Or even that dying is a bad thing for that matter, we face numerous major issues due to the fact that people don't die anymore

>>59456606
>hydrogen rations from Earth
What are carbonates

>>59456606
Honestly the moon represents a far richer place for development that mars

>>59456626
What is elaboration

>>59456564
Anything that isn't at the bottom of Earth's gravity well has a value all its own.
Mars can manufacture fuel, and potentially ships, plus launch infrastructure is easier to develop because there are no NIMBYS in space.
You could even build an elevator.

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>>59456636
I agree
http://scry.online/logs/logs-lunarbase.html

>>59456650
But there's nothing of real value to support a colony to begin with
What you're talking about is all long term ad even then mars is a dead world

There are still the issues of long term low gravity as massive radiation, not to mention dust storms

>>59456650
Mars cant manufacture fuel without hydrogen (fuel) from earth.

>>59452227
solar isn't even 2/3 as effective as on earth. realistically the fact that mars is pretty much a constant dust storm makes solar a poor choice

>>59453981
>We got bigger fish to fry at home anon.

99.99% of the problems on earth is due to other people. It's why having a frontier is so important.

You can get away from the leaches and the inefficient/obsolete social structures, go somewhere else and start new.

The leap that we are on the cusp on is going to be one of the most legendary in all of human history. To be a part of that, is to be part of an epic.

There are lots of reason to get away from this fucking rock.

>>59456665
Not to mention growing plants on lunar greenhouses would have all the solar benifits as earth does
Meanwhile mars is dark and poor and would require more energy to produce less food

I support Martian expeditions in the name of pure discovery, but a colony there is fantasy

The Case For Mars covers this at length. You need a small nuclear reactor.

A simple obseration:

Raise one hand up and wave it around.

Do You feel resistence or a burger?

Human's as our ultimate goal as mankind seek to dominate the Universe and make friends with posible aliens, will NOT. untill will begin to see life in more then the Three Dimentions.

Spasibo.

>>59456606
>Rocket fuel and energy cannot be produced on Mars without using all of the ice that remains there or receiving regular hydrogen rations from Earth.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/In_situ_resource_utilization

>>59456636
You don't have a clue what you're on about.

>>59456589
Antibiotics are horrible to the immune system. There are alternatives.

>>59456671
>There are still the issues of long term low gravity
We still don't know how serious low gravity is. Our only references points are Earth gravity and micro gravity.

>massive radiation

Radiation on Mars could be mitigated the same way you would in the asteroid belt, just don't be too close to the surface.

>not to mention dust storms

They're inconvenient for solar power production (unless you put your solar energy production in orbit where it should be), but not a deal breaker.

>What you're talking about is all long term

Is there anything else in terms of space colonization?

>ad even then mars is a dead world

Well at least we hope it is. If it turns out there is still life there hanging on its going to cause more political problems.

>>59456602
>>59456606
The Venus acid atmosphere destroyed every Russian probe that made it to the surface.

>>59456623
Myth? They died young. That isn't no myth. The damn pharaohs all had gum disease that made them suffer.

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>>59456699
I actually have an Aeroponics project on that site too.

I think PAR is more reliable in Space though. Saves energy by not powering spectrums plants dont benefit as much from. There are benefits of farming in the regions of eternal light, however drawbacks from allowing solar/cosmic rays to enter the outpost.

>>59456685
Musk is using some sort of compressed liquid methane / liquid oxygen fuel that can be made on Mars for his ship.

>>59456685
There's an ocean's worth of water on Mars. Last I checked that meant a lot of hydrogen.

>>59456745
but with mars' strong winds, properly designed turbines would be the ideal solution

>>59456638
Well shit, (most) carbonates don't have hydrogen. But regardless, there's no way people will be able to run out of water on mars any more than people on earth will be able to run out of alumina.

>>59456685

Wat? Ice from mars' polar caps electroized into H2 and O. Though I vaguely remember Musk was interested in Methane, and making that from H2 and CO2 from the martian atmosphere.

>>59456737
while youre on Wikipedia keep doing research. heres the one for the chemical process they plan on using for In Situ resouce utilization
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sabatier_reaction

Manufacturing propellant on Mars

The Sabatier reaction has been proposed as a key step in reducing the cost ofmannedexploration of Mars (Mars Direct,Interplanetary Transport System) throughIn-Situ Resource Utilization. Hydrogen is combined with CO2from the atmosphere, with methane then stored as fuel and the water side productelectrolyzedyielding oxygen to be liquefied and stored as oxidizer and hydrogen to be recycled back into the reactor. The original hydrogen could be transported from Earth or separated from martian sources of water.[8]

>>59456699
But the biggest problem with the Moon, as with all other airless planetary bodies and proposed artificial free-space colonies, is that sunlight is not available in a form useful for growing crops. A single acre of plants on Earth requires four megawatts of sunlight power, a square kilometer needs 1,000 MW. The entire world put together does not produce enough electrical power to illuminate the farms of the state of Rhode Island, that agricultural giant. Growing crops with electrically generated light is just economically hopeless. But you can't use natural sunlight on the Moon or any other airless body in space unless you put walls on the greenhouse thick enough to shield out solar flares, a requirement that enormously increases the expense of creating cropland. Even if you did that, it wouldn't do you any good on the Moon, because plants won't grow in a light/dark cycle lasting 28 days.

>>59456690
I'm basing that on a reddit thread. Dust isn't much of a factor because of the lack of wind. Major factors are distance from sun, a negative and thin atmosphere, which is a positive for solar.

>>59456746
The Egyptians had bad teeth because they used stone ground grain
Other cultures at the same time didn't and had much better teeth

You can solve just as many problems by abandoning technologies as by adopting them, there is no net gain.

And now there are too many people, as well as far sicker/weaker people born and allowed to live leading to genetic abnormalities.

>>59456785
Yeah and if there are two things Mars has a lot of, it's CO2 and H2O.

You send the return vehicle with a stock of hydrogen already on board. It uses that to manufacture all the rocket propellant for the return journey before the astronauts even embark for Mars.

Not seeing any problem.

>>59456787
But on Mars there is an atmosphere thick enough to protect crops grown on the surface from solar flare. Therefore, thin-walled inflatable plastic greenhouses protected by unpressurized UV-resistant hard-plastic shield domes can be used to rapidly create cropland on the surface. Even without the problems of solar flares and month-long diurnal cycle, such simple greenhouses would be impractical on the Moon as they would create unbearably high temperatures. On Mars, in contrast, the strong greenhouse effect created by such domes would be precisely what is necessary to produce a temperate climate inside. Such domes up to 50 meters in diameter are light enough to be transported from Earth initially, and later on they can be manufactured on Mars out of indigenous materials. Because all the resources to make plastics exist on Mars, networks of such 50- to 100-meter domes couldbe rapidly manufactured and deployed, opening up large areas of the surface to both shirtsleeve human habitation and agriculture. That's just the beginning, because it will eventually be possible for humans to substantially thicken Mars' atmosphere by forcing the regolith to outgas its contents through a deliberate program of artificially induced global warming. Once that has been accomplished, the habitation domes could be virtually any size, as they would not have to sustain a pressure differential between their interior and exterior. In fact, once that has been done, it will be possible to raise specially bred crops outside the domes.

>>59456810
yea great idea. use up all the martian water on the first attempt to build a base there.

This is a genius plan.

All the inner planets besides earth suck

The real gems are the outer moons of the gas giants

If one of the people on the mission killed another one while on mars, would they be prosecuted when they got home

>>59456822
The Russians found out that large plastic domes don't work when sealed because of plastic outgassing.

>>59456823
>he thinks synthesising a small amount of rocket fuel is going to drain a whole planet of water resources
>particularly when there's not even a need to extract indigenous water because all hydrogen is taken beforehand
Just how fucking dumb can you be?

>>59456823
Just like we've used up all the water on the Earth to make rocket fuel?
Mars has more water available off the Earth than anywhere else in the inner solar system.

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>>59456823
And there's more where this comes from.

>>59456822
>>59456787
>But on Mars there is an atmosphere thick enough to protect crops grown on the surface from solar flare.
Incorrect, stopped reading here as your information is false. Please do more research, radiation is the threat that jeopardizes the mission to mars the most.

>>59456862
Are you arguing with Zubrin?

>>59455121
>on mismatched resolutions
They're identical resolution

>>59456806
And it is leading to genetic treatments that benefit everyone. If you hate technology so much than go be Amish and that way I don't to read your trash here. After all being able to share your opinion at the speed of light is technology.

Mars is fucking gay

Business idea: farm on earth, industry on mars

>>59456884
Yes Tahiti is a magical place!

>>59456861
Titan has Oceans, so does Enceladus, either of which are more sustainable than Mars.

>>59456902
Titan has loads of methane too for fuel

>>59456902
yeah oceans of methane

>>59452227
So tired of shitskins thinking they're going to mars. The "diversity" meme will never fly because no one wants to raise a family with some poojeet doctor.

>>59456902
Yeah humans are going to thrive on Titan!

>>59456916
Indians will just go to mars on their own and so will the Chinese

>>59456913
>what is tidal energy
So glad idiots like you will never take a breath in space

>>59456902
Except for the whole such low temperature hydrocarbons are liquid and such low light levels that solar isn't an option thing.

>>59456923
I'm not sure why people keep talking about the outer planets. They are too far away and launch windows would be much more limited than Mars.

>>59456929
They'll still wind up sounding like Texans though.

Why eat plants at all? An all-meat diet is much more space friendly
Like astral Eskimo

>>59456931
who the fuck cares about tides? we're talking about water you spastic.

>>59456923

>>59456913

heres my 1500 word response to skeptics.

http://scry.online/logs/logs-titanbase.html

>>59456902
Well yes, ideally we'd be settling on those instead. Who's up for a six year trip to Titan?

Oh god, THANK YOU.... You know exactly who You are.

>>59456952
>heres a bunch of theoretical ideas with no sources from someone that isn't me
wow im impressed

>>59456952
Ah, interesting. So on Titan instead of driving with a fuel tank and oxygen intake, you'd be driving with an oxygen tank and fuel intake! Engineering jets to work like that would be a very interesting task. It's only 5% methane at the highest, so engines would be less efficient than on Earth. But I can see living on a body with a highly reducing atmosphere would be very different than living on one with an oxidising atmosphere.

>>59457012
What would you like citation for anon? I didnt see an actual argument made for any outrageous claims yet you're still attacking the validity of the information presented to you.

>>59457026
Elon Musk is developing methane rockets for Mars but they'd work better on Titan.

With superconductive mag-lev propulsion you may be able to reach escape velocity too, as Titan is cryogenic on the surface.

>>59457031
there's no argument on this page about why titan is better than mars.

>>59457083
I will eventually write an article about the dangers of radiation that inhibit outposts on Mars and Europa.

For now Titan has more resources and is less hostile.

>>59454015
melt it down and start from raw materials.

>>59452227
test

>>59457068
But why not use hydrogen? Less energy to make, three times the specific energy, the only downside is it's density being an order of magnitude lower than methane, but if you're mining it from a planet with less gravity and atmosphere, that doesn't matter nearly as much. Musk is a hack.

>>59457097
Radiation on Mars is a huge meme. Yes it's there. The inbound and outband trips will increase the chance of cancer late in life by a couple percent. Most radiation to the surface of Mars is absorbed by the atmosphere. The remaining radiation is absorbed by either the colonists' surface habitats or by brick vaults underground (since the most credible way of building permanent homes on Mars is to fire Martian clay into bricks and build Roman-style structures far enough underground to prevent the pressurised building from exploding into the low-pressure Martian atmosphere).

It's not really a problem. Just another non-argument from naysayers with ulterior motives that have nevertheless pierced the popular consciousness.

>cant go out of dome
>cant play multiplayer with earthlings (ping = 840000 ms)
>have to watch ""live"" sports 14 minutes late
>no "internet", if you google, you get reply 14 minutes later
>no sports, no football
>if your pc busts out have to spend gazillion more dollars to transport
>if a nuclear bomb destroys earth can only see it 14 minutes later
Why even go to mars?

>>59457144
shit anon it really sounds like you've thought this through, and it's not as if the ONLY credible manned mission to mars settled on the sabatier reaction after extensive consideration of propellant types

what about europa? water there has life amirite?

>>59457144
I think both would be useful.

On Titan oxygen will need to be extracted from water ice, leaving hydrogen which can be stored on the surface in a liquid state. Methane is clearly abundant there too so it would make sense to use both, although whichever combusts the least amount of oxygen for the most thrust will probably be necessary until a mining apparatus can breach the ice sheet.

>>59457194
5.4Sv of daoly radiation exposure Europa is more sterile than anywhere on Earth.

>>59457207
Does Titan has more chances of alien life that europa?

How many years before we put a lander on another planet/another moon? (other than the ones we have already done).

>>59457228
Titan has similar conditions to Europa with less radiation, more local bodies, and more carbon. I dont know about aliens but Titan is the least hostile place after Earth to human life and biology as we understand it.

I think Venus floating cities is a better idea.
Anyway, color pictures from venus surface :
http://www.space.com/18551-venera-13.html

Slightly unrelated, but check out SpaceEngine
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=enM_vSHGE-g

>>59457185
>>59457144
Musk thought this through a lot and the benefits are methane is less every intensive and you can actually store more of it than hydrogen at the pressures he wants.

>>59457290
Yea its a pretty great Engine, only one guy created all of it.

>>59457180
Because Trump is going to make LAN Parties Great Again!

>>59457260
Isn't Venus EXTREMELY hot?

>>59457167
>Radiation on Mars is a huge meme.
citation needed.
>Yes it's there.
thats better
>The inbound and outband trips will increase the chance of cancer late in life by a couple percent.
citation needed. Take cosmic, solar, and surface radiation into consideration.
>Most radiation to the surface of Mars is absorbed by the atmosphere.
Citation needed. Mars has 1% of the atmospheric density of Earth and its mostly carbon dioxide.
>The remaining radiation is absorbed by either the colonists' surface habitats or by brick vaults underground (since the most credible way of building permanent homes on Mars is to fire Martian clay into bricks and build Roman-style structures far enough underground to prevent the pressurised building from exploding into the low-pressure Martian atmosphere).
The martian soil has been irradiated by cosmic and solar radiation for millions of years and very lightly penetrated by our research probes. Going underground is better than being on the surface, but mars has weak atmosphere and magnetic feilds in defense of CMEs.
>It's not really a problem. Just another non-argument from naysayers with ulterior motives that have nevertheless pierced the popular consciousness.
If u say so. I really hope you make it to Mars.

>>59457311
The acid that destroys probes is the bigger problem.

The future will be great, just think of it - Earth system, Mars, Europa and Titan.
Pic related : Europa in Space Engine (universe simulator program). http://i.imgur.com/uDToywi.jpg

>>59457332
I tried space engine but unless pc is great, planets won't look like your picture.

>>59454209

Ya prolly lol

>>59457312
>citation needed.
The Case for Mars.

Going underground blocks out 100% of the radiation by the way.

is elon actually a genius or does he just employ genius?

>>59457185
Oh shit it's exothermic? Well that's pretty neat, but it still makes the rocket heavier by about 2.5 times. I really think it wouldn't be worth it from a rocketry perspective because the power required to electrolyse the water is more than the energy gained from the exothermic reaction, and that's an ideal scenario. But from a habitat scenario, that water is going to be electrolysed to make oxygen regardless, and the reaction is a source of heat for the habitat, so it makes sense there, but whether that outweighs the fuel mass increase depends on many other factors.

>>59457296
>Musk thought this through
>the pressures he wants
You guys know he isn't an engineer or anything right? At best he's got two bachelor's in science, but it's not like he designs anything that works, he's just in it for the publicity. Look at the Hyperloop for fuck's sake.

I didn't know we had pics from the surface of titan lol.
But it looks like shit.
https://nssdc.gsfc.nasa.gov/planetary/titan_images.html

>>59457360
You can't just repeatedly namedrop the same meme movie and expect it to win you the argument.

>>59457360
No it doesn't.

Mars has a dead core, weak gravity, weak magnetosphere, and weak atmosphere. Cancer within one solar maxima (~12 years or less).

>>59457381
When I Say Musk thought this through I mean he pressed a buzzer Henry Ford style and summons 100 engineers to work these problems for him.

>>59457406
It probably is wise to put part of the base underground, but farming is obviously above. That said the first base will be entirely above ground.

>>59457397
>movie

>>59457406
7 meters of fucking brick will happily absorb radiation.

/g/ thinking it knows more than billion dollar company HAHAHAH

>>59457430

He's a brilliant engineer too, which is one reason why he's so revered by the best minds in science and engineering. The best from MIT, caltech, harvard etc are lining up for the chance to work themselves to death for much lower wages than they could at Apple or Google because Musk has unparalled vision and ability to grasp major fundamental principles of business, physics and chemistry, and choose the best strategy from get go.

>>59457547

More like a 50 bn company if they did an IPO

>>59456158
Neat!
It could be a solar powered electromagnet at first, magnetizing an iron core. If the core's charge wears off, they can just re-energize it with the solar-power system again.

>>59457584
>brilliant engineer
>hyperloop
Pick one.

space exploration is a meme. We have millions to feed and take care of in earth. Lets not waste money on useless things.

>>59454223
Fuck that dumb italian, chances are well never see him again, his loss.

>>59455109
lmao

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>>59456506
>we should build a Lunar Elevator with tethers connected to the Lunar equator and south pole.
>Then we should build an elevator on Earth, using the floating ocean city as the tether point.

>>59454097

this

first space colony will be spawned by the best Earth has to offer, and simply to survive in such harsh environment needs 120+ average IQ. Society that evolves under such conditions will be extraordinary.

>>59454162
>Even if we sent our best they are still going to have children that may be messed up.

on average they wont

and that is what determines the character of society, not outliers.

Out of the following, which is the place
a)We will colonize first
b)The best place (other than earth) to live?
Mars, Titan, Europa, floating cities in Venus.
Yes, this is a serious question, I don't know much about science so halp me out.

>>59457847

>Lets not waste money on useless things.

>proceed to waste money on useless eaters

Space is the inevitable destiny of humanity

>>59459272
And what's left behind will be the setting of Bladerunner?

Mars is a shithole. Surviving on Mars still needs mastery of closed loop life support systems, radiation shielding and in situ resource utilization etc.

But once we have mastered these technologies, suddenly we can easily survive on any body in space, not just on Mars.

This is why I think Mars is overrated.

Future generations will either live anywhere in the solar system, or will never leave Earth.

>>59459272
I don't think this is necessarily true. while they'll need exceptionally smart people for the most complicated tasks on mars, the majority of planing and building will be done on earth. the most important part for the colonists is psychological stability and health.

in other words, a chad with average intelligence would be better suited for colonizing mars than a 4chan nerd with a 140 iq who'd lose his shit after the first week.

>>59459531

Of course the smartest people will be those who plan the colonization on Earth. But even today the average IQ of an astronaut is between 130-140 points. They will not send average intelligence Chads up there, will they

>>59459301
mars
mars

>>59459301
a) Mars
b) Titan

>>59459301

>a)We will colonize first

Moon.

>b)The best place (other than earth) to live?

Mars or space stations.

>>59459613
You aren't colonizing the fucking moon in the true sense because you cannot realistically grow plants there.

>>59454080
>No matter how fucked

How about a huge asteroid that wipes out all life on earth and raises the temperature to about 100°c + globally

Can't survive in that shit, fiery wasteland, lava oceans no more water

>>59459576
it's a private company. if I offer them 500mil to take me to mars with them and pass some basic tests, they will send me up there and I'm a proven idiot.

>>59459723

If you have $500 million, chances are you are not an idiot at all.

>>59459624

You can grow plants on the Moon, you just need to import some nitrogen and then recycle it.

Space colonization inevitably implies advanced closed loop life support, so this is nothing out of the ordinary.

>>59459624
https://youtu.be/e7XZWlywDJ8
You can grow plants everywhere, anon.

>>59459764
Good luck growing anything to harvest in a 28-day light cycle.

As for artificial lighting, it's too inefficient for the amount of food you will need. Plus you're stuck importing replacement lamps from earth for ever.

>>59460014

lunar polar regions have peaks of eternal light where sun shines 24/7

also cold traps with water ice as a bonus

That is an obvious place for lunar colony

>>59460058
Don't you think that a greenhouse in permanent light !!!ON THE MOON!!! would be extremely hot?

>>59460083

Depends entirely on how the greenhouse is constructed, it could have partial shileding to manage the temperature

Anyway you can also put solar panels and stirling engines in regions with lots of sunlight and then use that power to grow stuff in an underground colony, in a controlled environment.

>>59460138
Or you can just colonize fucking Mars.

>>59460201

thats like trying to run before learning to walk, a great way to waste another 40 decades not achieving anything permanent

face it anon, we aint going to Mars anytime soon, especially not under current budgets, and if we go, we will be lucky to have a flag and footprints mission, forget about colonization

semi-self-sustaning moonbase is the obvious first step, and an actually realistic goal

>>59460299

*4 decades

>>59460014

>As for artificial lighting, it's too inefficient for the amount of food you will need.

No it isnt

>BIOS-3 7.8 kW total power for the lighting for a crew of six.

http://www.science20.com/robert_inventor/could_astronauts_get_all_their_oxygen_from_algae_or_plants_and_their_food_also-156990

Also a small nuclear reactor can be used on the Moon for plentiful 24/7 power. Or maybe RTGs, however you would need a lot of those to generate many kW..

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>>59452227
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=n2I_pIJaXVs

eh

So what are the plans to make solar panels more efficient? Not a /sci/ guy but I heard it only captures 10% of the solar light it gets.

>>59457129
Is what he's saying

>>59454209
You tried, but nobody entertained it except one guy.

>>59460512
Even commercial grade panels today are around 20% efficient, though cheap 15% efficient panels are still the most common. Higher end panels of the sort you use for space applications are generally the most efficient that you'd find outside of research.
Wikipedia says the current record is 46%, but that's for a concentrator style setup where a mirror focuses more light onto a smaller highly efficient panel.

For colonization purposes you're probably better off going with a heliostat that concentrates sunlight onto tower to heat salts till they're molten which can store enough heat to continue to generate electricity through the night and would have the bonus of being a heating source.

How exactly will nuclear reactors work in space? Is not transporting stuff dangerous? What if there was a mission failure

>>59461703
It's already happened

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kosmos_954

>the fucking Russians blew up THREE different uranium reactors in orbit

>>59461703
Keep in mind that even though any Mars colony will use a lot of power, everything will still not use as much as you think cause everything will be designed to be energy efficient.

That said I don't see how they can avoid having a small nuclear reactor. Truly they should have two reactors and solar. Incase of damage they need alternative power or they all die.

>>59459301
>Outpost Heirarchy
Earth
Moon (with Earth support)
Titan (with Lunar support)
Titan (with in Situ utilization of Saturn's resources)
Moon (with lunar elevator for asteroid belt utilization)
Enceladus (With lunar/titan support)
Venus (with Earth support)
Mars (with Earth support)
literally anywhere anywhere that isnt the sun
Europa
The sun
Blackhole

>>59453981
>We got bigger fish to fry at home anon. Why is colonizing space anything higher than a "Well, maybe we'll do it in a few million years, if we're really bored" kind of priority?

It would improve our species survival.
It will push our technology forward in several areas ( flight, self-sustainable energy and life ), severely improving our life at Earth as well.
By improving our spaceflight technology we will also get closer to being capable of exploring space resources instead of depleting our own planet.
Developing technology to survive in space will create a huge technological all boom and will give humanity more options to move forward.

It's kind of a big deal.

>>59463176
This, though we've yet to stagnate on tech.

Right now the tech is improving at a pretty alarming rate.

>>59459385
Exactly. But with Chinese propaganda everywhere, instead of Japanese weeaboo shit.
So we better try and leave this piece of shit as fast as we can.

>>59463226
Actually tech is stagnating in many areas. Unless you think a 1% Intel cpu gain is good.

>>59463252
Are you kidding me?

I dont mean your fucking desktop performance advancements, i mean all around technology, self driving cars are a thing soon, drones are a new thing right now, rockets that land themselves.

>Unless you think a 1% Intel cpu gain is good.
>>>/v/ kiddo

>>59454078
Overpopulation of urban areas, especially after robots take over farming.
Cultural conflicts and immigration issues like Europe is having right now but a thousand times worse.

>quantum internet connections eliminating FPS latency
Oh. Ok, sorry. Didn't know I was talking to a retard.
In the internet age that we are living right now, I thought people in /g/ at least would know that your internet connection speed have nothing to do with your FPS unless you're talking about the data-link layer.

>>59461703

the kind of reactor used in space will be a small modular one with strong casing and as reliable as possible

it may even have a heat shiled so it could survive reentry without spilling the content everywhere

>>59463252
>nanotechnology is developing fast as fuck
>robotics is developing blazingly fast now that the tech is becoming viable and the army is interested in it
>AI is developing steadily
>Artificial/Augmented Reality is developing fast
>Spaceflight is developing fast as fuck
>Fusion reactors will probably be a real thing in the next decade
>TECHNOLOGY IS STAGNATED BECAUSE THE LATEST INTEL CPU WAS JUST A 1% IMPROVEMENT OVER THE FORMER MODEL

Holy fucking shit.
We're in the verge of having a WW3 with drones, robots and cyberpunk soldiers and here you're complaining that your gaymes aren't getting better as fast they did in the last two decades.

>>59463932
>Holy fucking shit.
>We're in the verge of having a WW3 with drones, robots and cyberpunk soldiers and here you're complaining that your gaymes aren't getting better as fast they did in the last two decades.

This is the state of /g/ right now..

>>59456318
>titan

the atmosphere is literally sulfuric acid

>>59464038
Well pardon me for thinking that 50 years of VR improvement is fast. Technology is slow as hell right now. Sure every other day someone is talking nano this and carbon carbon graphene that but none of this stuff is leaving the lab.

>>59464631
That's only some layers and clouds of Venus' atmosphere.

Titan's atmosphere is mostly nitrogen and a considerable (but small) portion of methane.

>>59456806
>There is no net gain
>You can solve as many problems by abandoning technology
How do I cross the ocean in a few hours without modern technology?
How to I communicate with others instantly across vast distances?

You got BTFO on /k/, don't think it's any different here.

>>59456952
>Hyperloop
God damn I hate this meme so much
>Giant centrifuge for sleeping in
>Space elevators

This whole page reads like somebody read the intro on the wikipedia pages of some of the things mentioned, then stopped there and started writing gibberish about it.

>>59457584
>Brilliant engineer
>HURR DURR LETS MAKE A PAX PLANE WITH NO CONTROL SURFACES CONTROLLED ENTIRELY BY ENGINE THRUST
>ITS GOING TO HAVE ELECTRIC ENGINES AND BE SUEPRSONSCIS TOO
>*hyperloops behind u*
>*drowns you in telsa that was left out in the rain*

>>59460014
M O V I N G S U N S H I E L D S

>>59463439
We solved those problems 72 years ago!

>>59466157
>That's only some layers and clouds of Venus' atmosphere.

>The lander functioned for 127 minutes (the planned design life was 32 minutes) in an environment with a temperature of 457 °C (855 °F) and a pressure of 89 Earth atmospheres (9.0 MPa). The descent vehicle transmitted data to the satellite, which acted as a data relay as it flew by Venus.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Venera_13

Even if it isn't acidic, it is still too hot and high pressure to survive without diamond armor or something else crazy.

>>59468787

Yes, but that is not what I was replying too. The faggot anon was saying that Titan's atmosphere is "literally sulfuric acid" (TITAN, not Venus)

>>59468807
I was replying to*.

>>59468807
>>59468830
Oh, okay, yeah Titan doesn't have clouds of sulfuric acid like Venus.

>>59456685
Hydrogen is the most abundant element in the universe new friend

>>59456741
Don't panic our senseless overuse of them means they won't exist by the end of this century.

>>59469136
Yet there is no free hydrogen gas clouds in the solar system.

>>59470076
Why would you look for disperse clouds of interplanetary hydrogen when you could harvest:
>the atmosphere of Jupiter
>the atmosphere of Saturn
>the atmosphere of Titan
>the atmosphere of Uranus
>the atmosphere of Neptune
>the water on Mars
>the water on Europa
>the water on Titan
>the water on the Moon
>the water on comets
>the water in the asteroid belts
The list goes on. And these aren't any sort of trace minerals, water and hydrogen are bulk masses found in very large quantities. Running out of them would be extremely difficult.

>>59470454
Because for something said to make up the bulk of the universe I see more iron, ice, and silicon out there if we aren't counting the sun.

>>59472134
>ice
>H2O
>H
ok?

Hydrogen isn't nearly as common on planets as it is in space because it is by far the lightest element and by far the easiest to completely ionise. The free hydrogen molecules in our atmosphere float up above the rest and are bombarded by cosmic rays from the Sun, which give the light particles enough energy to exit Earth's sphere of influence.