What went wrong?

AMD

>>59449512
They released a server processor on a desktop platform

>>59449512
It costs a lot.

Nothing went wrong.
AMD as usual.

>>59449512
>What went wrong?

Too much hype & dishonesty.

If Lisa Su came out and said, we created a mid tier product aimed at the value market, then everybody would love AMD right now.

But no, they had to make those ridiculous performance claims they can never live up to and now AMD is back to square 1 where nobody trusts them.

No motherboards. That's what went wrong.

>>59449575
They said they would release a CPU close to the perf of Broadwell-E which is what pretty much happened

>>59449548
This + it was marketed for gaymers.

>>59449575
>If Lisa Su came out and said, we created a mid tier product aimed at the value market, then everybody would love AMD right now.
>But no, they had to make those ridiculous performance claims they can never live up to and now AMD is back to square 1 where nobody trusts them.

this.

>>59449512
Infinity fabric? More like Lagfinity fabric. Infinity lagric. Etc.

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Can someone explain this?

>skylake comes out
HUGE disappointment, tiny increase in performance, actually in games it was slower than devil's canyon

>Kaby Lake comes out
Every review bash it, even smaller increase in performance, stock higher clocks give it some edge but thats it. Only true gift of the architecture was G4560 a cheap pentium with hypertreading making it basically i3

>Ryzen comes out
OMG ITS NOT ON LEVEL OF KABY LAKE IN SOME GAMES, ITS SHIT!

>>59449558
Conguroglation to rysen designer and amd workers, i ask near 20 ryzen buyer ,are you happy with ryzen , 100% say YES


People must be clever and dont belive intel seller gossip to harm ryzen


I hope all understand ryzen technology new 99% of games(software) cant relize and see ryzen cores truley

Like CPU-Z erorr in 1st week , after add ryzen works exclent , so games need time to update to see ryzen truely (if you check youtube games test ryzen games can use avrage 20% of cpu , 2core 4 threat only!!!!!!!???)


I promise ryzen 7 real and total power is 200% more from i7-7700

However compair 7700 with 4 core(produce for game) not fair with 8core cpu(optimize for workstation)


Thanks to all in amd, i belive after software update and VEGA graphic,we will see 100% moreryzen power(speed)

They targeted their product at gamers instead of people who would actually benefit from 8 cores

Gay.mers started to shill for intel

Literally nothing.

Before ryzen was released everyone said they'd be satisfied if zen it levels with haswell processors.

Ryzen came out and it is 95% as powerful as the latest gen intel processor in single core performance and smashes intel at everything multicore.

It's a brand new processor, very different from any designs previously developed by intel and AMD. Therefore you can't expect every engine and every compiler be optimized for it. Tbh for how new the ryzen family is their power will only go up in the next few month while intel's cpu have already leveled out.

Yes, ryzen is weaker on 1080p games? But who buys a >$500 cpu to play 1080p games? It is marketed at people who buy 10-core intel cpus which it crushes.

If you want to play 1080p games you'll want to get a sub $300 cpu which the 1600X will deliver.

I guess the bitterness primarily stems from sour intel buyers who recently purchased a 7700k. Typical fox and the grapes situation

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all this blatant shilling makes me want to buy AMD out of spite.

>>59449894

It is not so much shilling as it is buyer's remorse.

>>59450089
Honestly this,
I fell for faildozer and now ryzen.

>>59449512
disastrous launch, reviewers getting wildly fluctuating results

ignore the shills and fanboys

>>59450737
why didn't you read reviews you dumb shit heap

>>59449512
Nothing. It is a solid CPU. Nothing too fancy, but not bad either. It's just 4chin basement dwellers throwing a hissy fit because they didn't get laid in 5 years. If there was a dual socket solution for ryzen cpus, I'd buy dual 1800x in a heartbeat.

>>59449512
AMD Didn't make a CPU "For the gamers"® and instead focused on pushing core-count.

>>59450737

I meant buyer's remorse as in "I bought intel and I now found out I bet on the wrong horse".

Nice try shlomo.

>an entire thread of intel marketers

>>59449675
except it wasnt marketed for gamers.

and dont you dare post that out of context screenshot some nigger posted before, it doesnt mean what you think it means.

>>59449709
Shills gotta shill my man.

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>>59450875
>it wasn't marketed for gamers
except the video game playing and video game streaming benchmarks AMD kept showing
except the free game promotions they sent out
except the esport professionals they hired to promote
except for pic related which mentions gaming in every product description

please stop giving the Intel shills such an easy argument to wreck.

>>59450956
>you promote consumer CPUs with mostly consumer things
Water is wet.

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>>59450956
woops, wrong picture

>>59449512
Memory controller is dogshit, the motherfucker only works with single rank memory and only two sticks.
8 core and only 16 GB of RAM is retarded.
Put 4 single rank sticks on it and it doesn't boot past 2133 MHz which is fucking ridiculous.
4 dual rank sticks it probably doesn't even boot.
Motherboards are utter shit and the decent ones are not really that cheaper than intel 2021-3 shit.

>>59450969
>except it wasnt marketed for gamers.
KILL
YOUR
SELF
NOW

>>59450996
Nice try, Ramesh.

>>59450875
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1v44wWAOHn8
First ten seconds.

>>59450994
>Memory controller is dogshit
Better than Intel's.

>>59450972
>>59450956
If they didnt show that shit everyone would cry wolf.

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>>59451018
#BTFO

>>59451035
lol sauce?

>>59450972
that's not the R7

>>59451018
>and content creators

>>59451063
Intel ARK.

>>59451018
>AND content creators
>doesn't understand the fundamental difference between AND from OR

>>59451035
Own so? Intel can run dual rank shit at insane speed.

>>59451088
Welcome to mature platform.

It feels like /g/ is full of newshits that've never witnessed Nehalem launch.

>>59449512
Getting gamers to beta test a primarily server/mobile architecture. So from a commercial standpoint, absolutely nothing.

Also from a design standpoint, the Zen core is amazing. Infinity fabric being locked to the memory clock speed holds performance in some applications back a lot though, which is where Ryzen's "bad" gaming performance compared to everything else comes from. There's been a rumour floating around that AMD is planning on releasing a stepping that will "fix" said performance issues, I have no idea if the rumour is true or not, but if it is, I think the "fix" will involve pegging the infinity fabric to the core clock speed, instead of the memory speed.

>>59449512
People expecting it to make up the gigantic gap between Intel and AMD in one swoop.

They actualy got alot fucking further than I expected, and closed the gap by about 90 %.

But Kabylake and Skylake are still better and reach higher clockspeeds.

I'd say Ryzen is a very promising platform to build on.

>>59451091
It did the day it came out.
I don't see AMD going from no boot at 2133 MHz to running stable at 3200 MHz.
Having 8 cores and not being able to have at the very least 32 GB of RAM is retarded.

>>59451123
Yes, because guess what, there's been no radical arch changes since Nehalem. And Nehalem had the same memory problems.

>>59449512

Nothing all all. Ryzen performs as expected.

It is just try-hard gayming idiots who insist that 5-10% gain in gaming performnace from moving to a Kabe Lake chip is somehow world-changing and the only criteria that matters while ignoring rest of the rest of the reasons on why you get a powerful CPU. R7 Ryzen is a workforce CPU that rivals Intel solutions for 1/2 of the platform cost.

If you are gayming on a PC you are going to get a 7350 or Pentium 4368. You aren't going to getting a i7-7700K, i7-6900K or R7 1700-1800.

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>>59449714

>>59451149
Actualy the problem is AMD fanboys insisting Ryzen is as good in gaming as Intel cpu's at the same price, which it just isn't

>>59449882

Yep, 7700K was never a good buy in the first place for mainstream and gaming workloads. The smarter gaymer-fags would have gotten either a Pentium 4380 or 7350 which has 95-98% performance of a 7700K at gaming for 1/2 of the cost.

>>59451174
no, i havent seen a single fucking person claim it is AS GOOD as intel

>>59451174
>7fps lower

BTFO AMD IS DEAD AND DONE FOR, ALWAYS BUY INTEL UNLESS YOU WANT TO GET SCAMMED!

>>59451148
No it didn't, and Nehalem was DDR3.
I remember running 2133 MHz and more out of the box with I7-920 and DFI X58-T3eH9.

>>59451195
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ylvdSnEbL50&t=909s

>>59451218
7 fps difference on what?

On 110 fps, that might not be a big deal, on 40 fps, it is

>>59451236
where exactly does he claim "RYZEN IS EXACTLY AS GOOD AS I7 AT GAMING" ?
he's just repeating what AMD said about improving game performance

>>59451229
>No it didn't
Yes it did. Also Ryzen runs 3200 already.

>>59449726
Who are these people? A 7700K can perform better on Adobe programs and video rendering than a Ryzen AND you still have a better gaming processor

>>59451229

Actually, there were some stupid teething issues with some first-generation Socket 1366 motherboards running multiple sticks of DIMMs at DDR3-1600 and beyond. The second and third-patch of X58 boards fixed the issues.

>>59450840
>I have better performance but somehow I'm jealous of a lesser product

>>59451277
you mean the same fucking tests where the 6900k gets beaten by the 7700k because the applications arent properly threaded?

oh wow it's fucking nothing

>>59451277

Abobe programs load memory bandwidth and I/O throughput about all else. It comes to no shock that Socket 2011 and Socket 1151 solutions beat AMD solutions at the moment. AMD just needs to match Intel at memory bandwidth efficiency at DDR4.

>>59451302
Yeah let's wait so Adobe properly thread their applications to justify the purchase of my 48 Thread CPU

>>59451267
With only 2 sticks and single rank memory.
That means you are basically limited to 16 GB of RAM.

>>59451293
You can always find some shitty motherboard, the vast majority worked fine.
The same can't be said for Ryzen.

>>59451358
Unironically just wait™.

>>59451327
They had 5 years

>>59451378
>it took an entire mobo revision to fix it
(you).

>>59451174
the 7700K is a fucking beast. it's the 2700K with half a decade of improvements. it's the best gaming CPU ever made, bar none. for AMD to beat it directly would be a god damn miracle. if they have any chance, it's with further refinements to Zen, and even then the chances are low.

it doesn't reflect poorly on AMD that they're not beating it. not even Intel can beat Intel on this. their halo product wrecks any attempt they've ever made at upping the core count.

with that said, this is only one product we're talking about. it's possible that Intel will have a best-in-class chip with the 7700K, while the i5, i3, X99 and Xeon lines get severely dug into by Ryzen and Naples. the only time I see people mention the i3s and i5s is when they're cherry picking titles that have a massive Intel bias. in all other aspects those chip might as well not exist, and that's extremely telling.

>>59451396
The fuck are you talking about nigger?
Not every single motherboard at launch had memory issues.

Nothing went wrong...it's a great all around processor for a reasonable price and a massive improvement over their previous cup.

>>59451408
except only a few games even use all the threads and the biggest difference is higher minimum FPS

>>59451425
Because not every mobo launched with fucking brand new uarch you cumguzzler.

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>>59451047
>>59451018

>AND content creators

mfw you dont understand english

>>59451431
there's always the possibility that the mainstream i7 is only so good because nearly all devs use it as their target platform. it only makes sense.

all the 7700K's threads sit at full utilization in all the 1080p tests, while Ryzen's core utilization is almost always an uneven clusterfuck. this could either mean that Ryzen needs to be actively optimized for to reach its full potential, or that it's just not suited for games by nature.

in any case, the people who can truly answer this aren't on /g/, so we're just left with shitposting.

>>59451505
you dont really get more performance with an i7 over the i5 so your statement is not correct. the extra threads of the i7 just evens out the FPS more.

>>59451446
Get your fact straights, first you talk of new motherboard revision needed to fix some issue only some motherboards had, then you talk of uarch (that in niggertalk I suppose means microcode).
That does not change the fact that Ryzen is limited to 16 GB of RAM, 32 or 64 GB of RAM comes at the cost of performance.
The fact alone that at a given memory speed dual rank dimms perform worse that single rank dimms is a good indicator that the memory controller is dogshit.

>>59449512
Our company is leap years behind Intel and instead of just admitting defeat and changing our target market we decide to charge full steam ahead.

>>59451543
and it worked, they closed the gap significantly

>>59451522
>you dont really get more performance with an i7 over the i5
literally disprovable with 2 minutes of googling

unless you mean at 1440p or 4K, which is a stupid point to make

>>59451543
>changing our target market
what the fuck else would they sell? every other silicon market is saturated

hell, even without the license bullshit, integrating the x86 market would be damn near impossible.

>>59451388

It is AMD's first shot at DDR4 and a different memory controller from their previous attempts.

Intel had similar performance and compatibility issues with DDR3 back in the day when it was new (Socket 775 and 1366-era)

AMD's engineers will most likely get it right with next stepping or two.

>>59451636
look at gta5 1080p

>>59449512
AMD as usual

>>59451672
That's why you should wait for whatever comes next, or get a i5/i7

>>59451672
NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO INTEL IS PERFECT. THEY HAD NO PROBLEMS.

>>59450875
>it doesnt mean what you think it means.
kek

>>59451706
They had some shit products, pentium 4 for example.
Nehalem was not shit tho, it literally destroyed anything we had before.

>>59451505


The problem is that Ryzen is actually a dual Quad-core CPU on a single package. The CCX crossbar is a I/O bottleneck and Windows 10 attempts to treat the CPU as a "eight core CPU". I wouldn't be shock that MS patch will simply changes for "Ryzen family" scheduling over to dual-socket mode and poof most of the problems go away.

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Everything.

>>59451725
>Nehalem was not shit tho, it literally destroyed anything we had before.
Yes but it took time for devs to adjust to new arch. It happens every fucking time.

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>>59451672
>just wait

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The chip is not at fault i-it's Windows!

>>59451745

>implying that Intel-fags didn't say that same thing with Bloomfield, Haswell and Skylake launches......

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Wait for fixes, they are surely coming.
>you won't notice a frame or two less goy
>muh cores are worth it
>futureproof

>>59451265
Everywhere

>>59451498
>this amount of mental gymnastics
>'it was never targeted at gamers'
>first 10 seconds of presentation
>'this is a great day for pc gamers and content creators'

Are you truly this fucking stupid

>>59451736
Nehalem was way less buggy than Ryzen, and it was an even bigger innovation for intel than what Ryzen is for AMD.
They moved from DDR2 and memory controller in northbridge to DDR3 and memory controller integrated in the CPU.
Also added a memory channel, a shit load of PCI-E lanes etc.
Ryzen the more I look at it the more it seems a huge disappointment.
Motherboard are ALL shit, CPU has some bug, memory support is shit.
Raw performance are quite good, everything else fucking sucks to be completely honest.

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>>59451860
True.
Time to get an i5 I geuss..

>>59451860
>Motherboard are ALL shit, CPU has some bug, memory support is shit.
So, Nehalem at launch? It also offered fuckload of raw perf, yet it was worse then top Phenoms/C2Q's at gaymen. They were also pretty low clocked. It was a decent uarch up until SB came and fixed most of it flaws.

>>59451860

Intel was already on DDR3 with last generation of Socket 775 chips their 4 series chipsets.

The only thing that Nehelem had over Wolfedale was that it had an integrated memory controller and Quickpath (IMO the biggest one). It still had an external PCIe controller a.k.a Northbridge on X58.

They were a number of teething issues with first generation of X58 boards though.

>>59449714
>we will see 100% moreryzen power(speed)
lol

>>59451908
>just wait

>>59451941
Yes, just like i waited until SB came.

>>59451852
So it was marketed to everyone?

>>59451833
no, you're taking shit WAY out of context. he's just saying AMD is working with companies to get improvements.

>>59451908

Acutally, Nehalems were faster at gaming then Core 2 and Phenom II. The problem was that early generation X58 boards were buggy and Nehelem had the newest premium on top of that.

Nehelam stuff was the clearly the superior option by the time second generation of chips and motherboards came out and Intel did some price cuts on them.

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>>59450972
>lower clocks on the CPU's with fewer threads

>>59451960
Or get an i5/i7 and be happy.
>muh obsolescence

>>59451971
>Acutally, Nehalems were faster at gaming then Core 2 and Phenom II.
Only in some gayms. Older titles prefered loads of L2 cachez of C2Q's or higher clocks of Phenoms.

>>59451218
lol

>>59451961
exactly, this is what intel shills dont understand, it wasnt specifically marketed towards gamers. especially the R7 chips which are enthusiast/workstaition.

it's the R5 chips that will be for the mainstream gaymurs.

people seem to confuse what Ryzen means, it's not a single chip, it's the family name which contains several different market segment chips.

>>59451985
I have NO fucking reason to swap quadcore for another quadcore.

>>59449512
Spent all their money hiring Poos to shill on /g / and cheaped out on their R&D budget.

>>59451908
>SB came and fixed most of it flaws.
like locking you out of being able to control the multiplyer unless you pay a premium.
+30% price for at best a 5% perf increase via overclock.
intel deserves a reward, being able to cuck their customers and get away with it again and again, new motherboard if you want to buy a new cpu every year. even if they're the same arch.
who would've thoguht being a piece of shit scammer could be so profitable.

>>59452037
Jewery has nothing to do with platform/arch flaws. Nehalems were pretty undercooked, SB came and fixed their flaws.

>>59449512
nothing

it's a good processor

>>59451035
You can claim whatever you want but come on you can't be serious on this one. Besides superior core interconnection Intel imc is miles superior to amd.

>>59449714

>>>>>>>/csg/

>>59451091
It has nothing to do with maturity it has to do with shitty imc.

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>>59452112
>it's a good processor

>>59452192
R7 is a good processor and delivered exactly what AMD promised. It's a workstation chip.
R5 will be the mainstream gaming chips.

>>59451989

Not really, Nehalem was faster mainly because that integrated memory controller and Quickpath link especially when you overclock. It was nearly a world-night difference between Wolfedale in frame-timing (Quad-pump FSB and external memory controller setup was showing its age)

>>59452214
>exactly what amd promised
>gaming plastered all over their website and marketing materials
>btfo by sandy bridge and up

It's a good processor but not what they promised. We'll have to wait and see if it ages like bulldozer or not

>>59452277
see >>59451999
retard

they plaster GAMING over RYZEN, the whole family name, not specifically Ryzen7.

>>59452214
Decent processor surrounded by a stinking pile of shit.

>>59452327
Ah, and I forgot to mention that said stinky pile of shit is also fucking hard to buy because no fucking stock literally everywhere.

>>59452214
>Workstation chip
Can't run 64 gb ram

>>59449512
because most consumers now and in the next decade will never need more than 4 cores. professional software that uses pararell calculations will probably swap to gpus anyway, making the cpu a component for fast serial execution which is where AyyyyMD always since core 2 days fails hard af.

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>>59452344
Preorder amd CPU
Wait for Mobo
Wait more for Mobo
Finally receive Mobo
Memory is not compatible
????
Profit

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>>59452448

>>59452448
>light* workstation
Actual SP3/SP4 Zen-based chips will chew through fuckton of RAM.
>>59452468
>phenom II was bad
Wanna some rope?

>>59452500
Yes, 64 GB of DDR4 at 1866 MHz.
Awesome indeed.
Sauce: http://www.legitreviews.com/ddr4-memory-scaling-amd-am4-platform-best-memory-kit-amd-ryzen-cpus_192259

>>59452553
>one mobo
wooooooooow amazing

>>59452553
64 gb of shit speedy ram
Dual channel
Abysmal bandwidth
Kill yourself

>>59449512
people expected AMD to btfo Intel instead of just catching up after years of hampered research brought on by Intel's illegal anticompetitive practices

>>59452588
Read the article, AMD advertise a max memory speed to 1866 MHz with 4 dual rank sticks, not MSI.
Also, mobo is 380€.

>>59452613
Why are you quoting me faggot?

>>59452311
That's what I said

>gaming plastered all over their website and marketing materials

doesn't specify ryzen 7, just that gaming is everywhere on their shit, and for gaming sandy bridge and up is better

>>59452819
>>59452819
>>59452819

>>59449512
Intel

Did anything even go wrong?

>>59451999
>So it was marketed to everyone?
>exactly, this is what intel shills dont understand, it wasnt specifically marketed towards gamers.
Ryzen is meant for servers.
Presentation claims it was made for everybody(but no mention of servers)
Nice, so basically they lied and you agree.

>>59451257
Are you retarded? If you have 40 fps it means it's a gpu bottleneck and it won't make a difference having a 7700k or a ryzen

>>59451112
Yeah Zen 2 really has me excited.

Very happy I got a 7700k tho when I did. My workbox died about 2-3 weeks before all the leaks started coming out. I probably woulda fell for the meme and been pissed right now.

>>59449695
>>59449575
They didn't go watch their presentation. AMDdrones and not part of their marketing.

>>59449695
>And then they released a high tier product aimed at the value market.

Oy vey.

>>59449525
lol

>>59449512

Intel false flag shills hyped it up too much now everyone is mad

To be fair to the intel fags it kind of was a hot turd of a launch

Still waiting for itx 370 motherboards

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Nothing. Gonna upgrade to an 8-core Ryzen from my 2500K.

>>59453966
Now it's fault of Intel shills

>>59455231
that's the latest narrative they are trying to push...
Can't blame them though, they ran out of everything else as an excuse.

>>59452007
But what about people with two core CPUs? What about people that have really old hardware? An i5/i7 will do better for gaymen and daily usage.

>>59449512
Nothing, it's just your regular AMD CPU.

>>59451149
The fuck are you talking about. Ryzen doesn't even come close to Xeons cheaper than it for workstation needs.

>>59455511
Why do you post factually wrong statements? How much do you get paid by Intel?

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>>59449512

N-no.. THERE I-IS N-N-NOTHING W-W-WRONG WITH I-I-IT

>>59449512
A combination of some overhyping and atrocious software support (Windows 10's cache+core distinction issues, memory can't run faster than 2666mhz).

>>59449548
Yep. Ryzen a big fuck you to consumers

>>59449575
Their performance claims were true but, just not in muh gayming

>>59449709
This

>>59449709
>kaby lake is a disappointment
>ryzen comes out and isn't even at kaby lake levels
>somehow this means ryzen is good

if you expect 900000000% ipc gains for intel, why not amd too?

>Being a 12 year old fanboy
>Not choosing products based on your own needs

>>59450870
a few months ago /g/ was an entire board of AMD marketers.

>>59451672
I planned to wait for Zen+ from the beginning.

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>>59451110
interadesting

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>>59451824
The worst part of ryzen for me is that I made the original Intel version of this meme and I never see it posted :(

>>59449525
FPBP

>>59449512
We just need to wait.

So this means I should avoid Ryzen? I thought it was a much better performance for the cost, even thought it lags a bit behind intel in single thread.

>>59454296

Which one?

>>59456969
Did people really expected Ryzen to beat Kaby Lake considering how bad Bulldozer IPC was? If you did you are literally retarded and computer illiterate

>>59456990
Nah, I do it for free. I even have an Intel + nvidia system. Might replace the 970 with a 480 or its rebrand if performance on Linux keeps rising.

Nothing, it just didn't have support for high clocked ram which ryzen is dependant on

>>59451978
So.. Like
Anything Intel has released?
>see x600k vs x700k

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>>59457307

>>59451236

That guy is literally the biggest AMD shill on YouTube.

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>>59449512
Main problem with Ryzen is the price

AMD was supposed to be a budget brand, and they get BTFO by Intel processors that cost half as much

22Gbps data fabric link.

>>59459394
R7 competes with broadwell-e and it works. Similar performance for less money.
R5 will compete with kaby lake and be a viable alternative for gaymen under $250.
No info on R3 yet.

>>59460652
R5 will be slower in gaymen than R7.

Quote me on this.

>>59459394
>everything is about games

>>59460652
>No info on R3 yet.
No pricing, but you can at least see the clock speed. http://www.asrock.com/support/cpu.asp?s=AM4&u=539

>>59460699
Same clocks, only less cores. It will be very close.

I can purchase the 1700x for 380€, upgrading from a 3570.
Could it be an interesting gamble to make seeing as, if Ryzen's performance goes up due to windows scheduler and/or updates, it will probably go back to its MRSP?

>>59449714
Thanks for the rundown pajeesh

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>>59449512
it's too cheap

>>59461025
>no i7-7700k in the benches
>BF1 is pretty much the only stand out game that AMDtards use to show off

>>59460699
Of course it will be slower.

Anyone with a decent brain will know this.

>>59460772

No, there are already reviews out there that have cores disabled to simulate the 1600X.
It's significantly slower than with 8 cores on.

>>59461303
>corelets complaining
lmao, get with the times, grandpa

>>59449675
amd also publicly said they are going against broadwell e series..

but somehow in here shills never bring this up its like 6900k doesnt exist lol

so fucking funny

>>59461303
no 7700k

amd says 1800x is the 6900k competitor

/g/ shills says 1800x is a 7700k competitor

because of reasons obviously

>>59449512
I don't think most of you faggets realise that this is new technology, there are less than 30 motherboards out there on the market with BRAND NEW bios, so it IS expected for there to be errors, and just look at the FPS and comparison, this is new technology, it has not been well optimised yet and it can still handle mostly anything you throw at it. It was never told that it was aimed at gamers, it was told that it was aimed towards streamers, multi-taskers and 4k gaming. Never once did they say "Uh, this $500 CPU is meant for 1080p gayming". Like god damn people this is new technology, there are no good MOBOs yet you expect good game optimization? Get a grip ffs.

>>59461677
saved ;)

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>>59461677
>just wait
>you don't need Moar fps
>but do need Moar cores
>gaymen

They are going to fix the data fabric in the 2xxx or simply manage to get 200 mhz more?

>>59461909
There's no fix to that. Only insignificant improvements.

>>59461989
Wew lad. Source.

>>59461909
They could easily crank clocks waaay up at the cost of power, i.e., go from half DDR4 clock (800 MHz ~ 1.2 GHz) to full DDR4 clock (1.6 ~ 2.4 GHz).

>>59459394
first rebench on proper motherboard/settings and R5 will be 1.6-2.1$ per fps

>>59451018
wow, that guy looks like a real woman
at least a trap that is also humble and realistic

>>59459394
Would have been funny to see 6800/6900/6950 on the graph too.

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>>59461909
>just wait

>>59453200
>It gets slightly less FPS in AAA game shit nobody cares about
>It is suddenly bad

An 8core 16 threaded processor for $399 dollars, you can't even get a comparable intel at the same price.

Cry me a fucking river.

>>59462508

>

>>59451824
Like the extra cores will be of use for most people.
>just fucking buy it

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>>59462508
JUST

>Believing in Jim Keller
>ever

TOP KEK, AYYMDPOORFAGS

>>59449512
Intel didn't believe it will end up as good as it did. To their credit nobody did, but still, Brian probably neglected things there.

>>59449575
They promised broadwell IPC and they delivered broadwell IPC. Stop being retarded.

>>59451342
Adobe won't optimize their applications because you don't have a 48 thread cpu. You have a 7700k.

>>59462281
CozyRobotRoom?

>>59464732
>they delivered broadwell IPC
>loses to the 6900k by up to 20% in everything

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>>59464869
AND THE PROCESS FEEDS BACK INTO ITSELF

Why don't Intel fags see this? Why are they so short-sighted?

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>>59466199
>in muh gay memes
FTFY you lying shill

>>59464732

they delivered sandybridge IPC in real world workloads and delivered broadwell levels of performance in synthetic workloads.

regardless, zen is barely competing with a 4 year old microarchitecture that intel held back because of problems with the 14nm process. skylake absolutely crushes it, which itself is already 2 years old too.

AMD better deliver big gains with 'zen 2' or they're just going to slip back into irrelevance.

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>mfw CPUs progress is so slow that being 10% behind newest Intel architecture is literally still being 5 years behind.

>>59461324
Less cores should be able to clock/overclock higher. Disabling cores is probably not the best way to emulate this.

>>59466406
I blame AMD for overhyping, but they are still on to something. In initial marking, from last year, they even admitted that 'zen' would be slower, but had planned for it to catch up in 'zen+'

Personally I think that Ryzen is a great all arounder, and is marketed wrong. it doesn't quite stack up vs the i7 7700k or the 6950k, but rather should be in between both.

Probably they should have focused on getting 'Nepals' out first as that should do very well against intel's lineup.

>>59466950
While they should clock higher AMD is also poor as fuck and they cherry picked best wafers for R7. R3 and R5 won't be able to take much voltage.

>>59466991
That sounds reasonable at first glance, but I don't think they will be disabling cores like they did in the past for the R5 and R3

>>59466406
lol nope

>Intel fags only interested in short term gains/games.

So short sighted.

Way too expensive for less performance. Why would I get the ryzen 5 for $260 when I was get a i5 6500 for the same price?

Very disappointed.

>>59469490
This desu
>inb4 futureproof into the next Millennium

>>59457597
except bulldozer has nothing to do with ryzen

>>59469490
OVERCLOCKIN

>>59449512
Nothing

thread/

>>59469867
You described yourself well, fellow RedTeam+ member.

>>59466991
i also think the methods of binning the lower specced chips is different since amd reported crazy high yields on the manufacteuring.

we can only make assumption why the R7 landed here first.

i think they started with the enthusiast pricerange so that those gets examined by the knowledged crowdbase before the real value killers land with proper optimisation from hardware and software side... moreover hardware for now since gamedevs are slowpokes

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This entire thread ;>)

>>59469818
Exactly but you cant just pretend Ryzen to beat Kaby of even Skylake considering Intel dominated the market for over 10 fucking years

>>59466950
This is pretty good. the 7 series is a great value when you compare it to the 6950k. Not so much the 7700k, but we'll see how the 5 series stacks up, I think it will be a great buy for someone building on a budget.

>>59449512
Nothing, unless you still using your computer for mainly gaming then nothing really went "wrong".
You tell me what went wrong?

>>59449512
they probably should have released the low end chips first? then build up to the 1800x

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>ITT