Ryzen 5 Preview

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>>59423644
I love Amada!

>>59423698
intel is bankrupt, intel is finished.

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>>59423644

>>59423644
Amada keeps me warm on these cold spring nights.

Man I don't know what to get.
This or the r7 1700 with stock-aftermarket cooler.
What do you think /g/?

>>59423817
If all you're doing is gayming, then get an R5, if you're doing more intensive stuff with programs that fully utilize all the extra cores, get the 1700.

>>59423860
Isn't the r7 better for multi-tasking while gayming?
Plus I am considering to get involved with some programs that utilize cores.

>Thanks Robert
>Do you wanna uh...join me?
>s-sure


fucking top kek, the scripting is so cringe

>>59423881
Yes, you can run more programs in the background while gayming with an R7 than an R5. If you're really torn, wait for the R5 benchmarks to come out and compare the R5s to the R7s in the programs you use. Then you can decide whether the R7 is worth the extra dosh.

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>>59423644

>that Logitech G15

>>59423644
>>59423698
To those wondering why the top 4c/8t is only clock at 3.5/3.7 instead of 3.6/4.0 or higher:

It's likely the CPUs with a defective core are made into a 6c/12t 1600 or 1600X.

The chance for a CPU to have 2 defective cores on the same CPU is incredibly low, so instead the 1500X and 1400 are likely CPUs that had 8 working cores but were too power inefficient to be 1700s. They'll likely take 1.5v+ to reach a 4.1ghz overclock.

Maybe 3.6/4.0ghz or higher 4c/8t CPUs will come once Raven Ridge comes. Then they'll have CPUs with defective GPUs but otherwise good CPU cores to sell.

>>59423817
Personally I'm just going to get a 1500X (Or a 1600X if it looks like cross-CCX issues will be fixed by April...)
I don't want to buy a CPU and hope the gaming shit gets fixed as many games won't patch and it's really Windows' scheduler that needs optimized to prioritize keeping an application's threads on one CCX when possible.
I'll wait for the 2018 Zen+ update to go 6 or 8 core.

I'm on a 2500k so the 1500X is a pretty big upgrade as it is.

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>>59423893
It's never cringe with goddess empress Lisa.

>>59423912
Thanks anon.

Ryzen 5 analysis:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ARHbkFYBGgU&t=305s

>>59423952
You're welcome.

http://www.cnbc.com/2017/03/15/intel-may-have-figured-out-the-secret-to-fixing-techs-women-problem.html

reminder that Intel wants to cuck everyone

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>>59423789
Do you think she is a gamer? She runs a company that markets a shit ton of what they sell to gamers.

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>"4 years of building Zen"

>memory incompatibility problems
>DUAL CHANNEL ONLY
>awful gaming performance
>high end boards bricking
>shitty w10 performance
>no itx mobos

what else am i missing?

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>>59423644
>r7 are shit
>r5 are defective slower r7
>destroyed by 7700k
I can imagine how shit this r5 abortion is going to be.
Nice try redteam+

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>>59423816
>it's cold where he lives
It's already in the mid 90s F where I live.

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>>59423644
AMD STRONK

>>59423920
Its increasingly looking to me like if I do Ryzen this year it will be to build a HTPC/Steam Machine out of the upcoming Ryzen+Vega SOC hardware.

With a new desktop build waiting till next year.

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>>59423986
>Tumblr

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>>59423986
>>59423984

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>>59424012

>>59423996
Those'll be sweet if they somehow manage to have the performance of an RX470.

It's possible, given the tiled rendering coming with Vega, but 11 CUs is still quite few.

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>>59423977
>Do you think she is a gamer?
Very unlikely, she is whipping, managing all those electronic monkeys to produce better chips with her smug face.

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AMD is too fucking poor for mechanical keyboards LMAO

>>59423962
1600X no cooler? WTF

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>>59423962
At 10:30 tho.
Costs:
AMD: R5 1500x ($190)+$100 mobo (with overclock)= $290
Intel: I7 7700k ($350) +$150 mobo + $30 cooler= $530

Now he says the i7 will beat the r5 (obviously) but for what cost?

Kek all those faggots who have been insisting that the R5 would be close to 5 ghz can suck it.

>>59423920

People have been discussing this for a bit, but what are the likelihood that they will laser off the other CCX to make sure you can't "unlock" it with a mobo?

I have no doubt that the six cores, at least the vast majority of them, can't "unlock" the other cores due to semiconductor manufacturing defects which aren't fixable.

The only question that hasn't been answered is how the R3s are going to be binned with no SMT and 4 cores though. I doubt that SMT won't magically work though due to defects.

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>>59423984
Take it, (You)

>R5
Haswell tier IPC, stock sandybridge speeds.
Surprise, it is shit.

>>59423893
Chinese mom is single and ready to mingle.

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>>59423986
Moderate quality bait.

>>59424025
Why the fuck would they waste money on noisy meme keyboards when they're in an already loud room full of test benches.

Its business, not a fucking pleasure palace.

>>59423988
I live in Virginia, and our weather is autistic. It was snowing yesterday.

>quad core ryzen $169
damm son

>>59424055
>Haswell tier IPC
IPC doesn't change. It has Broadwell-E tier IPC. With Haswell tier clocks.

Did you even see or read any reviews? Did you not hear Lisa talk about the launch at the beginning of the video?

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>>59424026
Same as the 1700X and 1800X not coming with coolers.
Cause you probably want to put your own 140W TDP cooler on them, not a 95W TDP one.

Makes perfect sense.

>>59424025
Not everyone likes mechanical keyboards. I didn't until the patents expired and they started coming out with better switches. Cherry MXs suck ass.

>>59424041
I think it's pretty likely they'll physically disable cut the bridge between the CCXs. I would not be surprised if they laid out the wires in such a way that the CCX bridging wires don't cross anything else.
But with a 6 core, maybe you could potentially unlock it as a 7 core?

>>59424029
Yeah, I'm not as much of a cuck to pay nearly double for 5-15% better performance.
There was no way I was paying $200 for 4c/4t when almost every new game coming out now days benefits from HT significantly. So I'm glad these came around.

1500X for now and maybe I'll get a 6 or 8 core when they work the issues out and put them on another process so they clock higher.

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>>59424108

My quad core 10 years ago was $270

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>>59424012
>>59424049


ahhahaha WHOOOOOHHHOHOHOOH

>>59424025

>amd doesn't hire autists

Really makes you think

>>59424126

heeeeeeeheheheh

http://www.overclockers.com/forums/showthread.php/780455-ASUS-Crosshair-VI-Hero-BIOS-Brick

>HE PREORDERED

>>59424094
Autism has become a meaningless buzzword on here. If weather was "autistic", it'd be very consistent 99% of the time, then have violent breakdowns 1% of the time.

>>59424125
>>59424108
>quad core ryzen $169
Not only quad core, but 8 threads.

Cheapest 8 thread intel is $350.

>>59424126
>>59423984
>>59424141
There's guides out there on how to un-brick them, samefag.
I haven't heard of anyone who's not incompetent that has a permanently bricked one.
That's the fault of the mobo manufacturers and not AMD, anyway.

>>59424092
These test benches are being used to show how good Ryzen is for gaming. How am I supposed to know how good it is if they aren't demonstrating it with ALL the VITAL gaming gear?

>>59424142
Well, that's still pretty accurate because it usually snows like a foot in the last week of March.

>>59424126

>Le assus
>AMD BRIKED MY MOBO :C

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>>59424126
>AMD's fault that motherboards they don't make are bricking.

>>59424126
>/r/amd
>removed
Considering the mods are literal amd paid shills from red team+, it's no wonder.

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>>59424154

T-THEY'LL FIX IT!!!

>>59424166
desu, AMDrones blamed Nvidia when some board partners made bad boards for Pascal, so AMD should take the blame for this

>>59424177
>that's RMA

>>59424120
How much would you be able to overclock your 1600? Is it possible to hit 3.9 with included cooler if we look at the 1700?

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>>59424120

It kinda seems plausible but the problem is that the layout seems to imply that they would prefer having the left CCX over the right one functional, IMO, and you don't get to pick and choose which CCX is defective.

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>>59423962
H-he's good!

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WHY WONT MUH RAMS WORK?? IT SAYS IT DO!

>>59424199
>faulty motherboards are the same as faulty gpus
What

>>59424175
I had one of the shills question why I haven't been banned form /g/ for posting benchmarks that show Ryzen is bad at gaming when people claim otherwise. They are verrrry triggered they can't just ban people they disagree with here.

It would be kickass if you could unlock the other two cores on your 1600.

>>59424217
do you seriously believe this fucking idiot who's never touched the product can give an accurate answer to such a stupid fucking question?
overclocking on even 5 year old cpus is as random as shooting stars. some might hit 4ghz, some might never pass 3.5.
why are there so many stupid fucking people here

>>59424217
It looks like the 1600 is about equal to the 1700 and the 1600X the 1700X or 1800X.

So the 1600 should go to 3.9 at around 1.35v or less on the included cooler unless you're super unlucky.

>>59424220
What I said originally is that, in all likelihood, neither CCX is defective on most or even all of the 4 cores.
It's just their efficiency is too poor to be a 1700.

So yes. They do get to pick and choose which CCX is defective since they're going to be intentionally disabling a perfectly working one.

>>59424246
This always happens with new shit. I remember having the exact same issues with a brand new i7-920 way back in the day.

>>59424246
>cl16
>slow as shit 2400mhz
lmfao why do people do this? probably spent over $100 on that shit too rofl.

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>3200 NEVER EVER

THANKS FOR BETA TESTING, QUEERS

i want lisa to be my mummy

>>59424275
Cool, thanks. :)

If benchmarks hold i'll get the 1600 unless the 1700 is priced well in my country.

>>59424306
She'd spank ya rry day. mm

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>>59423789
We need to go smugger.

Friendly reminder that ryzen IOMMU is a broken clusterfuck.

>>59424347
How does that affect my gaymen?

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>>59424292
>new bios every day
>rampant bricks
so this is the power of amd

>>59424292
>Not yet

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this part with the male chink (not lisa) is so cringey aaahhhhhh

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>1500X
$189, 3.5/3.7, 4C/8T. With XFR up to 3.9GHz.
>i5-7400
$195, 3.0/3.5, 4C/4T.

>>59424359
It means it's a pain in the ass to run Linux and have Windows in a virtual machine using GPU pass through to play games in a virtual machine.

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>>59423962
>>59423962
>>59423962

He says 7700k costs 530 Dollars and that why you should get ryzen 5?!
WHAT THE FLYING FUCK?!

https://youtu.be/ARHbkFYBGgU?t=685
>7700k will beat ryzen 5 in every bench mark, how ever by how much, my guess is 15%

https://youtu.be/ARHbkFYBGgU?t=704
>you go from 290 bucks for the 1500x to 530 bucks for the 7700k

JESUS! Is this like a hired AMD shill or something?

>>59424408
So literally nothing. But I still whana know, is it possible to fix it in the future?

>>59424411
+ Board and cooling solution you retard.

>>59424411
>JESUS! Is this like a hired AMD shill or something?
How do you get to that conclusion?

Everything he says makes sense.

The 7700k costs twice as much. It's probably only 10-15% better on average.
In some applications, the 1500X is likely actually better due to better multithreading and integer performance.

>>59424367
>m-muh motherboards ..
>m-muh RAM ..

Last desperate gasp of the Intel shills. Kill yourselves.

>>59424419
>It means
IDK.

>>59424439
Look at this buttflustered redteam+ shill and laugh.

Now if they can bring 3200+ RAM to work on mobos and get some CCX optimizations going its a deal.

>>59424428
Since when is board and cooling solution PART of the fucking CPU cost you retarded dipshit?
What if I already have a motherboard that accepts 7700k cpus, or what if I already have a custom cooler.
Mean while you HAVE to buy the new AM4 card since it's literally made for one CPU.

Don't start throwing fucking components that somebody might or might not have just to make your product look better.

>The 7700k costs twice as much.
Expet it doesn't cost twice as much.

>In some applications, the 1500X is likely actually better due to better multithreading and integer performance.
Here we go again, like clock work, hype with no proof, better preorder now.

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>>59423772
Intel is Jewish. Intel will survive when they really shouldn't.

>>59424431
You could swap 1800x and 7700 and your statement would be accurate

>>59424462
4c/8t parts have an entire CCX disabled

>>59424462
3200 ram already works on several motherboards.

>>59424468
>What if I already have a motherboard that accepts 7700k cpus, or what if I already have a custom cooler.
Then it doesn't apply to you and you shouldn't buy Ryzen

>>59424468
Whoa relax. What's the weather like in Israel right now? Go take a nice walk bro.

>>59424468
His preview was meant for people that build PCs from scratch and have nothing. Stop making yourself looking like an absolute mongol.

>>59424473
Why are AMDrones so anti semitic? Is it because one of the largest investors in AMD is the Saudis?

Fuck off back to the middle east.

I only want AMD to succeed so that Amada can still live.

>>59424495
Give the middle east back and we'll consider it

>>59424477
Looking forward to the 1600/1700.
>>59424482
Great, hope more get it on soon too.

>>59424487
>Then it doesn't apply to you and you shouldn't buy Ryzen
That's not my point. My point is you can include the motherboard cost and the fan costs all you want, extra info is not bad.
But by adding those and saying the CPU cost is a total of those things, it's just a stupid fucking thing and I can only imagine that somebody would do this is they wanted to make a product look better or worse(depending on what the aim is)

>His preview was meant for people that build PCs from scratch and have nothing
Where is that stated? Or are you just trying to justify his actions.

>>59424495

>anti semitic
>non-ironically using this term

Hi plebbit, time to go back.

>>59424482
>tfw your 3200 ram doesn't reliably work yet so you run it as 2666 12-13-13-21
get off your ass asus

>>59424347
Can you or someone else post a list of everything wrong/broken/con with Ryzen in general? Just buying my first PC in decade and I want to be sure what's going on.

>>59424495
Hey, there is literally no denying that intel is a bunch of jews.

@59424495
Oy vey, you might even snag a few (You)s with that bait.

>>59424457
Kill yourself.

>>59424536
>everyone that disagrees with me needs to leave!
Woah, you know there's another website where groupthink is enforced and opinions that go counter to the circle jerk are made less visible? Maybe you should go there. The great thing about 4chan is that there is true freedom of speech and true intellectual diversity because of the lack of censorship.

>>59424468
>Expet it doesn't cost twice as much.
$350 is literally almost twice as much as $180. Check it out on a calculator if you can't do it in your head.
180x2=360. It's true.

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>>59423644
>>59423698
OOHHHH shit R5 1600X looking gucci. I will probably buy it over the i7-7700K

I would be happily convinced by Intel buyers as to why I shouldn't get a 1600 at this point. No excessive shilling please, just whana know.

>>59424537
I thought they had that sorted out. What ram do you have?

I'm running 2x8GB TridentZ 3200 CL14 perfectly on the Asrock Pro Gaming board.

>>59424594
you give nothing, what Intel?
you know they have anything from pentium to i7

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>>59424594
Intel makes the best processors, goy

>>59424594
Do you want working IOMMU, proper AVX2, superior IPC and clock speeds? If not, go for amd.

>>59424622
>proper AVX2

>ryzen has better fp performance

>>59424580
>310-330(depending on where you get it) is twice as much as 190
This is how you faggots do it, you fucking downplay how much your product loses in performance and then hype up just how much the competition costs in comparison.

>>59424546
>lower clocks
>bad at overclocking
>IPC is about 10% lower than sky/kaby lake
>memory controller is busted
>ccx design introduces massive latency between cross core communication so you need super fast RAM to get acceptable performance

>>59424622
>IOMMU
Doesn't matter
>AVX2
Doesn't matter
>superior IPC
5% better performance for twice the price
>clock speeds
M-MUH MEGAHURTZ!!!!!!

Fuck off and die, shill.

>>59424629
>pulling shit out of my ass
Intel has true 256bit avx. Ryzeh has 2x128bit.

>>59424637
oh and the fast RAM you need doesn't work.

>>59424601
Corsair CMK16GX4M2B3200C16

>>59424637
>>ccx design introduces massive latency between cross core communication so you need super fast RAM to get acceptable performance
There is actually less latency to access the ram than the ccx cross communicating.

>>59424651
Ryzen can do the two microps required for avx in less time than intel can do one lol

>>59424633
>p-price performance doesn't matter!
>buy quality intel products! they're worth the insane price gouging markup!

Neck yourself, shillington.

>>59424650
>brought to you by RedTeam+

>>59424650
>5% better performance for twice the price
You mean 2% better performance for thrice the price?

>>59424651
I heard about this, do you have any reviews or some shit about AVX?

>So when dealing with a four-core or six-core CPU, and the base core design has eight-cores, how does AMD cut them up? It is possible for AMD to offer a 4+0, 3+1 or 2+2 design for its quad-core parts, or 4+2 and 3+3 variants for its hexacore parts, similar to the way that Intel cuts up its integrated graphics for GT1 variants. The downside with this way is that performance might differ between the variants, making it difficult to manage. The upside is that more CPUs with defects can be used.
>We have confirmation from AMD that there are no silly games going to be played with Ryzen 5. The six-core parts will be a strict 3+3 combination, while the four-core parts will use 2+2. This will be true across all CPUs, ensuring a consistent performance throughout.
source: http://www.anandtech.com/show/11202/amd-announces-ryzen-5-april-11th

So a 1500X is going to be worse for many games than disabling a CCX on a 1700. This sucks ass.

>>59424622
>>59424637
Thanks but I think the price outweights all listed cons which some of will/have a potentional fix for. 1600 looking good so far, anything else I might need to put into consideration?

>>59424049
Average women, more strong face,more weak heart.

>>59424468
You just watched 30 seconds of the video right? It's not even confusing

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>>59424674
Intelcucks sure do love spending hundreds for marginal performance gains. After all, they've been doing it for years already.

>>59424676
This is speculation.

>>59424676
Wait so the R5 line-up will still consist of two complexes? That sucks, even for the 4 core variant.

>>59424668
>p-price performance doesn't matter!
It does matter, it matters a lot.
Which is why until you have actual benchmarks of the Ryzen 5 performance I see no point in hyping up a product and claiming all kinds of products. Either you wait and get proof it's a good product or buy a product that has been proven to be good.

>Neck yourself, shillington.
Right back at you.

>>59424676
The 6 core is likely going to be the worst of both worlds if it has slower IPC and still has to split across two CCX units.

I really hope the R5s are competitive. This will be a monster gain when I upgrade from 1055T. Almost 300% gain according to a couple sites.

>>59424698
Actually I have a 6 year old cpu.
But I am sure you believe that anybody who isn't a AMD sucker buys cpus every year to appease our jewish masters.

>>59424700
>We have confirmation from AMD

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>>59424676
>there are no silly games going to be played with Ryzen 5
>because they're going with the absolute worst option for all their chips

>>59424700
>We have confirmation from AMD
Lets hope the person they spoke to was wrong.

>>59424721
>slower IPC
You don't know what you're talking about.

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>>59424676
>AYYYMD shills moar coars is always better
>you have to disable cores in specific pattern to get decent prformance of it
really makes you think

>>59424712
Can you fucking read?
They assume they have 2 CCX's (probably valid)
then they ask how it's going to be cut, by CCX or by core on different CCXs.

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The R5 1400 will be the be the best value chip on the market at $169. It's the cheapest thing with 4 proper cores.

Combine that with 8 threads and the fact that will OC to roughly 3.9Ghz or so like every other Ryzen chip has. I mean, it's literally the same hardware as an 1800X, just with half of the cores/threads disabled and a lower stock clock.

>>59424745
8 cores, EIGHT CORES, that's TWICE as many as four cores intel has!
Don't you see the VALUE?!

>>59424745
>doesn't know how to set CPU affinity

>neo /g/ everything

>>59424745
MS will patch Windows 10 scheduler.

>no fucking personality at all
>completely wooden people everywhere
>super shiny glossy fucking displays in the brightly lit lab environment

My god, I mean really, what the fuck man. I can't stand Apple at all but they sure as fuck do things better from start to finish in terms of presentation, their people have actual personalities, they know everything about their own products, and they don't actually come off like they're trying to sound like they stand behind their products because they actually do and they do it with personality.

>every company should take a cue from Apple whether they like it or not
>nobody puts on a presentation like Apple
>decades later this is still the case
>why

>>59424740
>>59424734
https://arstechnica.com/gadgets/2017/03/amds-zen-goes-mainstream-with-ryzen-5-4-cores-8-threads-from-169/

>The 1500X again uses two CCXes, this time with two cores from each disabled, but again still offers the full 16MB of level 3 cache. The cheapest 1400 part, however, is a single CCX with all four cores enabled, and only 8MB cache.

looks like 1500X is going straight into the trash.

>>59424783
Got solid conformation on that?

>>59424797
They will because it's not in their best interest to keep people away from the latest version of their OS.

>>59424715
>Which is why until you have actual benchmarks of the Ryzen 5 performance
No, no ones wants to read your retarded opinion on what obviously everyone is going to do, what are you some kind of Sherlock?

>>59424791
Pretty sure this fat fuck doesn't know what he's talking about
>arse technica

>>59424803
I would like to think that too. But I see no clear sign for it to happen in the near future.

>>59424791
Wow so going by this, the 1400 will be the best value chip. Really wonder what the performance on that chip will be.

>>59424816
Nobody wants to read your retarded opinion on anything either, yet here you are posting.

>>59424676
>>59424791
Interesting. 1400 it is, then.

We're going to see tons of gaming benchmarks where the 1400 is above the 6600k and yet the 1500X is below the i3-7350K, I bet.

>>59424824
It seems correct because Anandtech is also reporting 16MB L3 cache on the 1500X but 8MB on the 1400.

>>59424824
It's OK redteam+ You would still get your goodpoojeet points.

>>59424841
>>59424838
Will the 1600 be that bad of a value compared to the 1400 just because of that if you're into gaymen? :(

>>59424870
It's possible, who knows. Wait for benchmarks.
I am hoping the 1400 with its single ccx and no latency fuckery and other bullshit will be good. Key word hoping.

>>59424887
Was really hoping to get a 1600.. Yeah, benches will be interesting.

>>59424906
>Was really hoping to get a 1600
Why. You are hoping for a good product, if it's a cheaper 1400 what's the problem, you have some kind of romantic feelings towards 1600?

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>>59423920
>looks like cross-CCX issues will be fixed by April
You can't fix a hardware flaw kek
Just like nvidia can't do hardware Async
No amount of software will fix that.

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>>59424177
>>59424126
>snsv

>>59424838
People have done tests to give an idea. It looks like it's going to be very very good. Better than the 6600k in many cases despite lower clocks due to better integer performance and having SMT, and AMD's SMT being better than Intel's.

They can't test what "stock" performance looks like, though, just fixed OC.

>>59424870
>>59424906
If you're into gaymen, the 1600 is only going to beat the 7700k when games actually optimize for it. In some cases, it'll probly be worse than the i3-7350K in some cases. Granted, 7350k+cooler+mobo is more expensive than a 1600+mobo.

So it'll probably be better in Mafia III and... that's in.

Word is the new BF1 update greatly improved Ryzen performance, though, so there's hope.
But I don't see many games like ARMA3 and so on updating.

>>59424947
It's not a hardware flaw. You're a moron.
It's no more a hardware flaw than the i7-7700k's 256kb of L2 cache. Or the 70ns of latency for crossing cores in Broadwell-E.

>>59424785
amd's marketing is well known to be horrific

>>59424964
>It's not a hardware flaw.
it is, same as 3.5Gb 970, same issue with infinity fabric, it slows your whole system down.

>>59423644
Is she official?

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>>59424964
Now a hardware flaw you say.
Ok whatever floats ur sinking AMD boat.

>>59423644
>>59423698
Man 1400 should be 120usd for ultimate win, 169 still nice

>>59424964
>People have done tests to give an idea. It looks like it's going to be very very good.
Fuck off. Wait until it's released, and actual benchmarks from multiple sources come in.
I had enough with AMD hyping shit up.

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>tfw preordered Ryzen build on February 24th
>still waiting for my motherboard to be delivered on March 15th

>>59424791
>The cheapest 1400 part, however, is a single CCX with all four cores enabled, and only 8MB cache.

>>59424676
>>We have confirmation from AMD that there are no silly games going to be played with Ryzen 5. The six-core parts will be a strict 3+3 combination, while the four-core parts will use 2+2. This will be true across all CPUs, ensuring a consistent performance throughout.

WHICH ONE IS IT

>>59423698
>nothing remotely competitive with the g4560
Fucking hell.

>>59425015
She's technically not official, but she's heavily used in marketing in SEA.

>>59425038
The 4c/4t will be closer to that price.

Expecting 4c/8t at that price when the cheapest 4c/8t you can currently get is $350 seems a bit of a stretch.

>>59425043
So cancel and get a different motherboard?

>>59425049
Anandtech clearly didn't communicate properly.
They probably only asked about the 1500X and they confirmed that's 2+2 but they didn't ask about the 1400.

>>59424947
The flaw can be fixed with fast memory

>>59425040
Amd only hyping to beat intel in cinebench, which they did. stop reading troll or idiot as amd

>>59425049
>WHICH ONE IS IT
The less pleasant one, as always.

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>>59424964
I'm now certain that we have legit RedTeam+ faggots here.

>>59425063
And it can be fixed by trying to keep most/all of an applications threads on one CCX.

>>59423729
dat fang

>>59424094
FYI; Spring starts on the 20th

>>59425069
I still have hopes that the 1400 will be a single ccx

Why else would it have gimped cache when AMD didn't do it on any other processor?

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>>59423644

>>59425063
and fast memory doesn't work on ryzen motherboards

sorry but this is yet another massive disappointment

>>59425038
>Man 1400 should be 120usd for ultimate win,
The "r3 1100" is suppose to be 129~

>>59424199
Weak. Also shows you're a child wanting to play the blame game cause the drones do it.

>>59425131
>DDR4 3500 isn't fast

>>59425049

Ars Technica and Anandtech both have the 1500X with 16 MBs of L3 cache, which means it has to be a 2 + 2 configuration, where two cores are disabled on each CCX.

The 1400 is 8 MBs of L3 meaning that one of the CCXs have to be disabled in order for the L3 cache to be halved, since even with disabled cores, the CCXs have access to the full L3 cache of 8 MBs each.

The question is that for general purposes, I would think that extra 8 MBs of L3 is a lot more valuable than CCX switching penalty. Plus, you get higher boost/XFR and better cooler included.

Not sure if the single CCX configuration is worth it if it's going to be a fixed problem.

>>59425201

I cut out part of my question, meant

The question is that for general purposes, is keeping everything in one CCX worth it to justify the 1400?

1800X, 1700X or 1600X

I game, AutoCAD and photoshop. I think the 1800X will be over kill I currently have a 3570K

>>59425201
Na. Many have done tests and proven that 4+0 with 8MB cache is better than 2+2 when it comes to gaming.
The exception would be games that are optimized for Ryzen, and optimized for using 2 8MB L3 caches instead of 1 6 or 8 megabyte L3 cache.

Even with the 1400 being 3.45ghz XFR and the 1500X being 3.9ghz, I gaurantee you the 1400 is going to beat the 7500 and 7600k in more games than the 1500X is going to lose to the i3-7350K. That's how bad a 2+2 configuration is in games not specifically optimized for it.

Getting a 1400 and overclocking to 3.9ghz is going to be the way to go.

>>59425218
>I game
>and photoshop
Both of those perform much better with a 7700k than any ryzen cpu including 1800x.

>>59425218
You'd probably be good with a 1700 and just OC it.

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>>59425218

>>59425218
Yes the 1800X is overkill unless you can wipe your ass with $100.
The increased single core performance of the 1700X over the 1700 can be worth it.

bhpvideo or whatever that site is has the 1800X for $450, though.

Just depends on money. The 1700 is amazing value since it comes with a $30 cooler. "worth" is subjective.

>>59425218
>3570K
Keep it, stupid.

>>59425234

>gaming
>general purposes

Yeah, we're not on the same bandwidth here. If you are gaming, I would agree with your sentiment but general purposes include stuff like video and music encoding, multitasking, and doing lightweight work. I doubt the CCX advantage is enough to offset the cache offset for stuff other than gaming, plus all the extras you get from the 1500X over the 1400 as I mentioned.

>>59423984
Yeah bruh I wanted to like zen, I really did. But it doesn't even have dual turbo m.2 slots. What a fucking joke, I know they wanted to gimp the desktop chipsets on purpose to sell more server chips but this is just pathetic.

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>>59425063
And you can't use fast DDR4 with ryzen.
Most end up below 2660mhz
Top kek

>>59425266
For general purpose, why would you not get the 1600X...?
It's hardly more than the 1500X. It has 50% more cores/threads. Stock clocks to 4.1Ghz instead of 3.9Ghz.
Or the 1600.

The 1500X seems like a completely pointless CPU. Nothing benefits from the huge L3 cache per core that wouldn't benefit more from having more cores and higher clicks that the 1600X has.
AMD should have just disabled SMT on the 2+2 ones and sold them for cheaper than the 4+0 ones.
>>59425274
Not true, is it? I'm pretty certain it gets 2 4x M.2 slots on most motherboards.
It's up to the mobo manufacturer.

>>59425057
R3 is coming last.

>>59425074
Kill yourself.

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>>59425390
>triggered redteam+tard

>>59425329

The price differential is too large, IMO. $60 can upgrade any other component better especially with respects to gaming, you can get a better GPU with that money. And going to the 1600 can be worth it with the better Wraith cooler but you take a clock speed hit for doing that, but it is the best price per threads CPU from AMD.

And I disagree with L3 being useless. It is very useful for multitasking purposes where going to RAM can hurt performance, more so than switching CCXs with your process IMO.

>>59425113
Because they need some kind of product that they can sell all the dies that come out with parts of their L3 cache acting funky. The L3 is not tied to cores but to CCX itself and can either be full 8MB, 4MB or turned off -> any single point in L3 not meeting the specs -> put it in the bin for 1400

>>59425329
Just about all the boards split them as pcie2.0 and 3.0, not dual 3.0. I think the msi boards have dual 3.0 but its not really clear if you can actually use both at the same time.

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>>59425326
I'm Currently stability testing my 1700X with 3200MHz CL14.

4 minutes into stress test so far. I'll aim for 20m.

Oh, and I'm using an FX stock cooler, which sounds like it's about to fly away, but is holdin steady at 3.5GHz core 79-80'c

>>59425473
The 1500X to 1600 is only $30...

XFR clock is only 200mhz less. 3.7 to 3.9

1500X seems like the worst value of all chips. Even worse than the 1800X.

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>>59425688
What voltages did you put to reach 3200MHz? I tried cranking up the 3 ram related thingies in ryzen master while putting 2900MHz CAS 16, but it doesn't seem to work no matter how high it is. Currently stuck at 2660MHz because of it.

>>59425688
>4 mins
>Aiming for 20

Goodlord you AMDtists are retarded.

apparently 4 core is 2+2.
I hope windows gets fixed by that time

>>59425637
>the msi boards have dual 3.0
What board? Both the x370's have one 3.0 and one 2.0, and the b350's seem to only have one 3.0

>>59425750
oh forgot, but 16mb L3 for 6 core, this is kind of huge news for any cheap xeon adopters.

>>59425749
It's a short term test to see if my settings are even remotely stable. When I'm happy with where I have it, I'll stress it for a many hours.

>>59425744
I'm using G.Skill Trident Z 3200C14 which is rated at 3200MHz 14-14-14-34 1.35v.
Dual channel, 2x8GB.
Crosshair VI (BIOS 0902)

Don't use Ryzen master or any other software for memory overclocking. Do it strictly in the BIOS.

literally:

>MUH COERS

>>59425786
did you have to input RAM timings manually or Asus fixed it?

>>59425787
>Ryzen 5 thread
>Muh cores
OK familia.

>>59425787
AMD Raisin Multi-Cornz technobabbley.

>>59425803
Manually. Was 2133 (15-15-15-39) by default.
I have BIOS options for the primary timings, and there's a section with all of the subtimings, but I'm not sure if they do anything yet. Haven't touched them, and don't intend to until the platform is 99.99% stable.
I'll get a photo in a sec.

>>59425771
This means that it will have better single thread performance than the R7. Which means it will probably beat the 7700k.

And reviewers will have actual good BIOS out and available.

This is going to be interesting.

>>59425830

How often are they still releasing updates for the motherboards? Are they at a point of stability yet or you think by even the R5's release date, they will still be stabilizing AM4?

>>59425830
stupid question: will any RAM work on am4 if you input timings manually? or you'd have to pick it specially for it even when bios is fixed?

>>59425834
It absolutely does not mean that.

You can't just makes shit up and expect to not get called on it.

>>59425834
>Which means it will probably beat the 7700k.
beat it , i doubt but it will be very very close
i5K and below is dead platform that's clear even now

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>>59425803
Excuse potato monitor. Secondary monitor for setting up.

>>59425835
I notice people talk about it twice a week or so, very fast by april it might be actually usable
and it was just 2 weeks since release

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>>59425848
It has more cache per thread, and can probably clock higher. Meaning better single thread. What's not to understand motherfucker.

This will probably be the chip to get for games.

>>59425848
for games it does, i'm not as optimistic as that guy but it will be better than 1800x by how much no idea people tested 4+0 but not 3+3

>>59425867
>extreme tweaker

asus what are you doing

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>>59425846
It's hard to say.
Ryzen likes tight timings, so you'll only get good results from Samsung B die chips, which the G.Skill Trident Z chips are.
Memory is quite heavily binned, so it's not unlikely that any RAM you pull off the shelf will be able to run the timings that you want to push it to. It's like saying that you could push any frequency through any chip.

Here's the sub-timings.

>>59424468
Hamas firing rockets again, Ezekiel?

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>>59425887
Asus has never been good at naming things.
Before they were marketing towards the gaming crowd, you had to hunt through every menu entry just to find the one you wanted, as if they were written in a foreign language.
The words are english, but they don't necessarily make sense.

These are the speeds that I get offered. If I want to push higher, I would need to do some BCLK overclocking, which is why I got the CH6 over the other boards I could buy in my region.

>>59425878
Making random assumptions

No basis in reality

Typical gayman

>>59425888
wonder if they work, people said AMD closed them off right before release which in turn made all BIOSes worse

>>59425918
(you).

>>59425920
I don't know, and I am going to let someone else find out.
As much as I would love to let you know, and as much as I want to know, I'm not going to ruin a perfectly good motherboard, or a memory kit that cost almost as much as the board, to find out.

>>59425918

4 Ghz 6 core Ryzen with 16mb L3 cache will give around the same single thread performance as 4.2 GHZ 16mb L3 cahce 8 core Ryzen.

>>59425934
I highly doubt it.

>>59425941
Why? Are you fucking braindead?

>>59425753
Well as far as I can tell the x370s are both 3.0 pcie x4 times two but I could certainly be wrong. The titanium very specifically says "twin turbo" which means dual 3.0. I am skeptical as fuck about it though since no other motherboards advertise this, and the chipset really doesn't have the pcie lanes for it.

What a disgrace.

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>>59423644

>that fucking blender test on Ryzen R5 vs Intlel

>>59424126
>Shut computer off during a BIOS update and complaining about bricked motherboard

Do all gamers have down syndrome or something?

>>59425964
pcie 3.0 x4 for storage? can you even max that out with anything?

>>59425878
Crossing CCX hurts games so fucking much. It'll be worse than the i3-7350k in many games, I gaurantee it.

1400 is the gaming CPU to get if you don't want to spend $500+ for cpu+color+mobo.
1600X will be good too as long as it's optimized for.

>>59425979
Compiling Gentoo.

>>59425978
This is a pretty valid concern. I had a motherboard randomly attempt to upgrade the bios, I can only assume it was a random fucking bug, when I was using my core2duo way back in the day. Bricked itself. I only bought boards that had backup bioses after that.

>>59425984
>Crossing CCX hurts games so fucking much.
with 8 cores, because games tend to be 6 threaded to this day, in bf1 where all threads are loaded it runs perfectly
so six core won't have this problem as much due to less thread movement and no "empty" cores

>>59425578
What will they do with chips where an entire ccx is fucked?

That's the one I want

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>>59424676
>>We have confirmation from AMD that there are no silly games going to be played with Ryzen 5. The six-core parts will be a strict 3+3 combination, while the four-core parts will use 2+2. This will be true across all CPUs, ensuring a consistent performance throughout.
WHAT THE FUCK AMD

>>59426065
you name it APU and clock it under 3.3 Ghz for mobile

>>59425978

it's a $250 mobo that updates the bios itself

>>59426078
b-but no igpu

>>59426026
No. It will hurt with 6 cores even more.

And no, games aren't "6 threaded to this day".

Many games use 20, 30, or dozens more threads

>>59426065
The entire CCX disabled ones are the 1400.

>>59426089
Lmao it legit force-bricks itself? That's hilarious.

>>59426089
>it's a $250 mobo that updates the bios itself
>uefi is good they said

I'm even more curious about the r3 1300x and 1200 now

>>59426089
>>59426020
It's 2017, we knew about power outage bricks since before you were born, kids.

If you don't realize the DO NOT TURN OFF POWER warning is there on almost every device/update for a reason and think you can shut your shit off you deserve errors and bricking components. Fuck yourselves, retarded gaymers.

>>59426153
I don't think you fucking understand. I put my computer to sleep. When I resumed it, for some fuck known reason, the motherboard decided to go into bios update mode. It literally bricked itself.

>>59426165
>I put my computer to sleep
why do people do that? seriously, why? is that 50w at idle that much for you?
I get why would you do that on laptop, but desktop?

>>59426153
So it seems you suffer from mild retardation my good chum.

What is going on here is that newer motherboards can update themselves while the PC is turned off, because the BIOS (UEFI) can connect to the net without any OS on it.

So they do so, and grab the latest update, which COULD be fucked, and thus brick the entire thing.

Fucking UEFI, eh?

>>59426205
Less noise/lighting while trying to sleep if you have the computer in same room as bed. Putting computer to sleep shouldn't be a death sentence for the motherboard.

>>59426209
I've got old board, can you disable it in UEFI options?

>>59426221
switch it off then, why the heck do you need to "sleep" it when it doesn't do anything for 8 hours instead of switching it off?

>>59424040
No one has said this after we got to know frequency scaling of the R7's
>>59425978
Yes
>>59424397
Shh, thanks to you the Intel shills won't get paid
>>59424651
You have no idea what that means, right?
>>59424594
If you need ultimate muh gaems performance a delidded golden chip 7700K is better

>>59425964
On specifications>details it reads:

>2 x M.2 ports (Key M)
>- M2_1 slot supports PCIe 3.0 x4 (RYZEN series processor) or PCIe 3.0 x2 (7th Gen A-series/ Athlon™ processors) and SATA 6Gb/s 2242/ 2260 /2280/ 22110 storage devices
>- M2_2 slot supports PCIe 2.0 x4 and SATA 6Gb/s 2242/ 2260 /2280 storage devices

>>59426238
>>59426205
>You're holding it wrong™

>>59426238
Crappy bios/ssd firmware makes the harddrive undetectable randomly, I randomly cannot boot to windows if I reboot the computer. Works fine if I put it to sleep, though. Isn't technology wonderful? :^)

>>59426209
>auto-BIOS updater bricking motherboard

Hahahahahahaha, this would never happen without a lawsuit occurring you fucking idiot.

Unless you're some underage thirdie poojeet, if a company sells you a defective product they are liable to a lawsuit and one where they force you to brick your motherboard would be pretty clear cut, you'd receive a fat settlement.

STOP. TURNING. OFF. YOUR. COMPUTER. DURING. UPDATES.

>>59425990
I'm using tmpfs ram disk for that

7700k will be worse for gaming on average for all the AAA games that come out between q1 2017 and q3 2018 and beyond, I'd bet on it.

Tons of new games that have come out in the last year do better on 6 or 8 cores with hyperthreading than 4 higher clocked cores.

>>59426248
What is the point in that?
PCIe 2.0 x4 is like PCIe 3.0 x2, no? PCIe 3.0 is twice the bandwidth per lane.

>>59426267
>I'm a kid that doesn't know what the fuck he is doing and still believes in things like 'hitting my desktop makes the cpu freezes go away'

Holy shit, now I realize why computer repair companies make so much money, because of idiots like you.

>my computer fails to boot at times, BETTER PUT IT TO SLEEP MODE AND BLAME FIRMWARE!!!

>>59426273
>a fat settlement.
>for 250 board

yeah right, you'd be hard pressed to prove that motherboard on switched off/sleeping PC damaged your work

>>59426299
OCZ vertex 3's had quite a bit of issues with the drive firmware. None of this was known to the public when I bought the drive. But go on, keep acting like a fucking retard, you are totally convincing us that you are a magnificent god of computing.

>>59426291
because the other m.2 goes throught the chipset and other has direct pcie3 4x lane to the cpu

>>59426311
Most large settlements are taken from 'hindering his pursuit of happiness' and not actual credible things like hindering work or hardware.

God bless America, am I right?

>>59426248
OK, yeah, the msi website itself does say that, and it clears things up. Amazon and newegg simply said "twin turbo m.2" which implied 2xpcie3.0 m.2. I guess I will have to get a z270 board or wait till Skylake-E. Or maybe a zen server board? I dunno. Shit sucks, wish the zen chipsets were better.

>>59426299
Fuck you.

When I was a little kid I had a shitty as Compaq and kicking it made it stop freezing so much.

>>59426291
>7700k will be worse for gaming on average
Doubt it
Even dx12 games run better with a 7700K

You are just saying that because ur an AMD fan who thinks 6+ cores is better as for the gamzz.

>AMD
>moar cores

Man I thought this was a meme till I heard it myself. LOL throw more cores at it LOL fuck sakes guys. goto 3:43 of the video

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>tfw coasting on a 4770k at 4.5 that I bought for $135 with company discount 4 years ago

>>59426372
>coincidence or knocking dust off the heatsink

you decide.

>>59426396
Watchdogs 2, AotS, For Honor, Mafia III, GR Wildlands (plus almost every Ubisoft game the past few years, really), and many other examples that I don't have on top of my head all run better on a 6900k than a 7700k despite the ~7% lower IPC and 500mhz lower clock speed.

>>59426428
That's cool. You're lucky. It's a good CPU and I had a i5-2500k at the time so didn't see much point in upgrading since HT was still rarely used then. Most others aren't so lucky or want USB 3.1 and other new shit.
A used 4770k on ebay costs more than a new 1400.

>>59426449
It was probably issues with the disk seeking that kicking it somehow alleviated.

i5 6500, R5 1500X or R5 1600 for gaymin, photo editing, light video editing and programming?
I'm on a fairly tight budget but the 1600 looks pretty good if I can get a decent OC.

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>>59426542
And that's where ur wrong kiddo
Most cores didn't help ur 1800x

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>>59424676
DELET THIS

>>59425218
>I game, AutoCAD and photoshop

All 3 of them are heavily single threaded. Unless you're at some points running them at the same time, you're better off with the 7700k

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>>59426726
>ashes of the shill
kill yourself

>>59427077
you know ashes is iterally made for amd
poojeets are fucking retarded

>>59423644
I am happy that I don't need to buy a new CPU.
I am fine with my Intel G4620, payed 75$ roughly and paired it with a RX470, runs all games decently with mix of mid-high @1080p.

>>59426905
Sad truth is that nearly everything is heavily single threaded

It's why Ryzen sucks at nearly everything

https://www.techpowerup.com/231536/amd-ryzen-machine-crashes-to-a-sequence-of-fma3-instructions

Yurupoor prices:
7700K - $414usd
1700X - $486usd
motherboard prices are comparable

If i don't do a lot of video editing, photoshop, or other workstation stuff, and only really need the power for gaymen. Why would i ever choose AMD?

Sorry to meme hard on you, but all my workstation needs are met by my 2500K. It's not blazing fast, but it does the job. And for 1080 gaming it's fast enough at 4.5GHz. I would clock it lower but being a ARMA3 tryhard i actually need the housefire OC.

I like new tech, but i don't have enough disposable cash to justify just buying whatever. I'm not sure if you guys are indians/bots but AMD really seems like shit right now. Higher price, less performance. Unless you need a core for every tab in your browser.

>>59427208
How do you watch 4K porn on your second monitor while fantasizing about your team bullying you for being an awful support because you're busy masturbating without the game you're playing tanking the playback of your 4K porn?

>>59427328
It's not AMD's fault your country has retailers charging over the MSRP. In America, MSRP is a sacred document like the constitution. We actually have honor here instead of being ruled over by greedy Mudslims and Jews. In America, respectable white and Asian people run businesses.
Here the 1700+mobo is about 15% cheaper than 7700k+cooler+mobo.

>>59427298
Confirmed to be patched soon with a microcode update.

Literally nothing.

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>>59427377
>In America
>Niggers and Spics

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>>59427387
>he thinks niggers and spics own retailers

>>59427377
>How do you watch 4K porn on your second monitor while fantasizing about your team bullying you for being an awful support because you're busy masturbating without the game you're playing tanking the playback of your 4K porn?

Why watch porn when I can fuck my shemale whenever I want?

>>59427377
>It's not AMD's fault your country has retailers charging over the MSRP.
The point i was trying to make is that the 1700x is more expensive. It's not that much of a difference between burger prices really. It's a bit cheaper over there, over the difference in price is comparable to here.
> We actually have honor here instead of being ruled over by greedy Mudslims and Jews
The Saudis are fucking you in the ass while you blow the Israelis. You win the GOY OF THE YEAR award, every year. Stay black.

What motherboards are you comparing? The prices here were so similar i didn't bother listing them. I'm talking high end boards with OC in mind.

Reiterating my point, when the prices are that similar, why would i choose a workstation CPU over the 7700k? It looks more like a Xeon for poos than what the average user like me would ever want. For work it's really not that much faster than Intel, and for gaymen i don't need those cores anyway.

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>>59427328
slavlands

1700x $458
1700 $373
7700K $407

decent z270 is $200
decent b350 is $150

gee, what will I choose, I don't know.

>>59427476
>gee, what will I choose, I don't know.
A used 2500k obviously

>>59427501
>A used
>2500K

sandy is dead.
1.it stutters like hell
2.buying used - no, thank you
3.can you get new motherboard for it? most boards you'll get will be in their 30k hours or more

>>59427523
get a 1700 and a b350. SORTED!

>>59427523
I actually got a used 2500k after i found a asus z77 board on sale, upgrading from a 955BE.
It's pretty damn solid, and runs steady at 4.5GHz.

When rendering stuff it starts to show it's age a bit, but i just time it with AFK hours so it never impacts my work/playtime.

combined with my 770 it's actually a pretty decent 1080 machine, i don't play tripple A console ports anyway. I think i'll end up sticking with this until i jump on the 4K train. No matter how much they tempt me with moar coars.

>>59427523
>1.it stutters like hell
what?
My old 2500K with 2133MHz CL8 memory ran games just as good as my 6600K with 3000MHz CL15 does.

>>59424160
kek

> amd cannot afford gamer fuel and gamer grub to test gayms

>>59424246
> buy new i7 config, first gen
> good mobo, brand ram, all should be good
> read manual
> put in ram
> nothing
...
> ram swaparoo, read manual 10 times, nothing.

Fuck.
> take motherboard to shop with ram
> guy plugs the ram in
> boots
... What.
> take it home
> it now works

WHAT THE FUCK

>>59424439
>>59424560
say what you want, but this is just fucking awful.
imagine spending all your build money and getting fucked only because you wanted to support megacorporation B instead of A.

>>59424431
Son you are a bit off.
The Ryzen 5 is compared/sent against the i5.

The i7 would obliterate it, but that's not the point.

>>59424698
> i5-i7 first gen
> Can run 99.9% of the games on 1080p 60 FPS

> i5 2500K
> Can keep up with almost all modern CPUs overclocked

> i7 3770K
> Can achieve same scores as new CPU on OC

Gee, they got literally robbed son.

>>59427563
In 1080 games the difference is marginal. My cousin bought a 6700k, we benchmarked it and there really wasn't a big difference unless you want more than 60fps or shorter render times(which isn't needed for our purposes).

The only game i'd think you could need a newer CPU for is Battlefield 1 if you insist on going past 60fps while roleplaying as a black nazi.

>>59424676
Just give me single thread scores on benchmarks and if it's good, I am sold.

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>>59427648
>$350 CPU is 15% better than a $170 CPU
>i-it obliterates it I tell you!

>>59425043
Why do you even need a high tier ryzen chip for shitposting weeb pics?

>>59427328
You shouldn't, Ryzen has horrible price-performance

>>59427689
I highly doubt the difference will be only 15%, but we will see.

> inb4 the cheapest ryzen will beat the best 24 core xeon for 10$

>>59427685
You can extrapolate those from Ryzen 7 benchmarks. It's literally the same thing.

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>double CCX even for R5

lmao
DOA

>>59427799
I extrapolated ur mum. lmao

>>59424120
what's that about new switches coming out? I didn't know that was why cherry's were only ones, I hate them

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>>59423986
You forgot to use the
>but but but you are beta testing, BETA TESTING

The defense force must stay organised and synchronised to succeed.

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>>59427135
If you provide any benchmark that shows you shouldn't be buying AMD it triggers the poojeets hard.

>>59427077
I see you are real happy about your cherry picked benchmarks, but the same site shows different results.

>Intel cucks think that guy in the video is an AMD shill when he already said 'if you are a serious gamer and can afford it get the 7700K as it is the BEST CPU for gaming'.

You just cannot please the goy

>>59424534
You can't buy the CPU without a new motherboard anyhow dipshit. Even without the fan cost it's still cheaper. Fucking cuck.

>>59429606
>You can't buy the CPU without a new motherboard anyhow dipshit.
That is 100% true for Ryzen.
IF you want to use Ryzen you NEED to buy the AM4 motherboard for it.
So if you want to you can include the cost to it since anybody using that cpu will have to get that motherboard.

Intel on the other-hand, it's entirely possible that you already have a current gen motherboard and all you need to do is just buy a new CPU.

So thank you AMD shill for pointing out that Ryzen price should be counted with the motherboard because there is literally no alternative possibility.

While in intel case a lot of people can look at only the CPU cost while some have to consider the motherboard cost as well.

>>59425247
The problem with Photopoop is it is not very good on multiple threads and leans heavily on single thread. Especially plugins.

>>59429792
>somebody wants to use photoshop for work
>heheheh goy, don't use that program! it's not good with our ryzen product it's shit you see, not multi threaded at all
>yeah, and? I Want to do work on it and your product sucks
>DAMN IT GOY, it doesn't make ryzen look good so you should ignore Photopoop
>remember goy all applications that make ryzen look bad don't matter!

>>59429790
I can't pout a Kabylake or Skylake in my Haswell mobo so your point is moot. Meanwhile I will be able to upgrade my Zen CPU every few years without changing my mobo.