Will it succeed?

>>59414893
>literally cannot go outside for fresh air

Only if they send hikikkomori astronauts, otherwise expect murder suicides.

>>59414893
I want a basement just like that

>>59414893
it already succeeded, they conned money out of a lot of mongoloids that actually fell for it

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>>59414907
>murder suicides

>>59414907
How come this hasn't ever happened on the ISS then? NASA has gotten alot better at keeping people sane since the olden days.

>>59415090
They come back eventually

Wasn't this just a reality-tv scam?

>>59414938
you have to be 18+ to post here

>>59414893
>messy as fuck room
>wooden everything
They want this mission to fail

>>59414893
Everyone has the wrong idea about space colonization. Sending humans to do it is just retarded. You build robots and program them to build structures and get the infrastructure built first THEN you send humans.

Robots can do it cheaper. They don't need food or water or air. They can work 24 hours a day.

>>59415238
Robots can't adapt to circumstances. That's why it hasn't been done. Maybe in the future when robots become a few orders of magnitude more complex.

>>59415298
It wont be long. Technology is advancing faster now than ever. Just look at the breakthroughs in machine learning.

Once the software is up to par; Building the hardware should be pretty straight forward.

>>59414893
No, Mars One is a scam.

>>59414907

>NASA is recruiting on /r9k/

>>59415298
Robots can lay bricks.

>>59415316
If the unmanned demo mission goes through, will you still consider it to be a scam?

I can just imagine all the moon hoaxers rally up and start saying it's fake. You people and your conspiracies, it never ends.

>>59415316

Well, they succeeded in collecting money so I would say it's a success already.

>>59415344
Autonomously?

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>>59414893
>fucking wii
>two watches
>praying mat
>24/7 surveillance

Is this what they done with all the money?

It's depressing knowing people this fall for this shit in the current year.

why are you posting a brazillian home?

>>59415503
>two watches
For mars time and earth time

>>59415560
>the two watches home screen joke will identify martian anons in the future

>>59414893
I bought two black cups from their website and got the white ones

how are they gonna get rockets right if they can't ship my merch?

>>59415298
Which is why they send a message to us and we figure out the problem and send back solutions.

Robots aren't fucking assembly-line tier any more.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-7xvqQeoA8c
Robots like this are more than capable of doing physical labour capable of constructing habitats out of resources found on Mars.
Just slap a welder on one hand and let it go to town.

>>59415384
Yes

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>>59414907
I'm a hikikkomori, send me to mars and I'll sleep the whole way

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>setting up internet on a new planet

>>59416062
And die halfway.

>>59416125
Worth it

>>59415090

>spending 6 months in a tin can where you can see your home planet in all its splendour by looking out the window and where if something goes badly wrong you can be rescued in a matter of days

versus

>spending years (probably the rest of your life) in a tin can where your home planet is a smudge through a telescope and where if something goes wrong you're basically just dead

Can I still shitpost from there. If so send me off.

>>59416125
Even better

>>59415384


That's how robots do my man

>>59416249
That's not exactly a skill that would help your team survive now is it

>>59416327
Think of the publicity that they could get from my shitposts. Also we could finally find out what flag you would get.

>>59414907
Reminder that NASA literally has a problem on the ISS with particles of literally everything staying sealed in the ISS. They literally have bacteria growing on walls from shit particles. There's no where for that junk to go.

>>59416241
I honestly think they'd be fine as long as they could go outside and have a walk around in their space suits. After a certain point the whole never seeing earth again thing would wear off. It might be a little depressing but not murder-suicide worthy.

>>59416357
You have millions of shit particles on yourself right now.

>>59416373
That's not the point.

>>59414893
No I want to creampie ppl

>>59416395
What's your point then? There's more fecal matter on your smartphone screen than on your toilet seat. It's not like they don't have chemical cleaning agents on the damn ISS

>>59416087
16 minutes ping

>>59415365
Yeah like that's going to happen, the unmanned mission keeps getting conveniently delayed, first it was 2017, then 2018, now it's 2021:

https://m.phys.org/news/2016-12-swiss-firm-mars-private.html

All they have done so far on lander design is just a concept study. They aren't doing any lander development. No launch contracts are in place.

It's all a scam
https://medium.com/matter/mars-one-insider-quits-dangerously-flawed-project-2dfef95217d3#.cis8tl24b

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>>59415238
THIS.

>>59416125
remembered forever

>>59414893
Assuming you could have great internet and all - this seems like a super comfy lifestyle to a anti social loser like myself who just plays games, video editing, and shitting around on 4chan.

>>59416892
It's RFC 2549 all over again.

>>59419232
>Assuming you could have great internet and all
16 minutes latency >>59416892
Think the waiting time after posting is long?

>>59414893
yes

Send roaches first

>>59419387
>implying Turkey has a space program

>>59419387
So they can mutate into huge monsters that will come back to invade Earth? Have you never watched Starship Troopers?

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>>59414893
Mars One's model is terrible

SpaceX's is so much better

>year 0: send a massive (50 meter long, 17 meter diameter) unmanned ship to Mars with 300 tons of cargo
>year 2: send another ship of an identical design with 10 astronauts and another 100 to 200 tons of cargo to begin unpacking and building everything
>year 4: send another identical ship with 100 colonists to move into the outpost the first 10 astronauts have begun building. By now there's a rocket fuel refinery on-site meaning if they so wish, any or all of the first 10 astronauts can go home in any of the three ships that have landed there
>year 6: send two more of these big spaceships, carrying 200+ colonists, and another of the ships parked on Mars refuels and returns with any of the last expeditions 100 colonists who want to quit
>year 20: by now every two years the launch window sees dozens of ships flying to Mars and a fraction of them flying back with returning passengers and scientific samples, anyone with $200,000 can purchase a ticket to fly to Mars
>year 40: a million people are living on Mars in a massive complex forged from Martian steel, with windows of Martian silicate, eating crops grown in specially treated Martian soil, breathing air filtered and compressed from the Martian atmosphere

As a bonus Mars One is being run by some literally whos on Kikestarter who have scrounged up $1.5 million while SpaceX is currently a $12 billion company

>Wake up one morning and realize you are really never going home and internet speeds suck.
Not a chance

>>59419581
>>year 0: send a massive (50 meter long, 17 meter diameter) unmanned ship to Mars with 300 tons of cargo that explodes right after launch
FTFY

>>59419581
You're going to run into a scaling problem around year 8 with all those people on-site

>>59415503
Balance board won't even work properly cause of reduced gravity

>>59419620
Just have them fight each other to the death for entertainment of the people back on Earth. Or for air supply.

>>59419581
inb4 some people go nuts and start murdering other colonists

>>59419649
Given that SpaceX is essentially a cult at this point I expect mass suicide.

>>59419648
at around 900-1000 people, it becomes unfeasible without proper large scale infrastructures
I wouldn't want to live in 4 square kilometers with 900 people

>>59414907
the only time i am outside is if im walking to or from my car.
just give me internet access...i grew up in the dialup days so i have no problem spending hours at a time waiting for a webpage to load.

>>59416504
Doesn't bacteria hyperevolve on zero gravity conditions?
I don't know anything, by the way.

>>59419649
It goes without saying that this will eventually happen. You cannot have a million people in one place with zero murders. Iceland, which is the best example I can think of that's very remote, very peaceful and fairly heavily populated, still experiences a murder on average once every three years.

I would presume they would simply jail the murderer until the next return window then send him back to Earth to serve his sentence.

>>59419699
>>59419620
The complex would definitely have to be continuously expanding. I've also heard all total there might be 10 cargo ships for every 1 passenger ship - that's an average of 30 tons of "stuff" per person.

>>59419744
*I misstated Iceland's murder rate, it's 0.3 murders per 100,000 people per year but the island has 332,000 residents, meaning the whole country experiences just about one murder per year, or a fairly even distribution of years when there are zero murders and years where two people are killed.

>>59419640
How did you escape the SQT?

>>59419744
>The complex would definitely have to be continuously expanding
My dick likes what I am i reading.

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>>59419581
Shieet, they have so much planned out already

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Interplanetary_Transport_System

>>59419805
What

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>>59416249
ping is worse than what aussies have

>>59419699
>I wouldn't want to live in 4 square kilometers with 900 people
This is such an odd sentiment when every major city has more than 10,000 people per square kilometer and many of them surpass 20,000

There's even a few spots in India that have over 250,000 people per square km

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>>59420095
>>59416249
>make epic shitpost
>have to wait 30 minutes before the first (you)s come rolling in

>>59416087
Fuck it just create their own internet.

Take THAT, NSA!

>>59419581
>year xxx: pic related

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>>59420804
>>year xxx: pic related
Fixed.

>>59414907
Depends how fast domes can feasibly be built.

Hopefully some kind of rigid inflatable structure could be transported from earth, Give people maybe 500m square of open space to live in, maybe bring some seeds, plant a few trees and take some pressure off the o2 recycling.

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>>59420889
Bigelow claims this is a suitable long-term habitat for 16 people

>>59415560
>earth time

>>59415210
Its a scam in the same way solar roadways is a scam. Wishful thinking and deliberate ignorance of problems for money.

They are working on it though.

You really should build structures out of materials sourced on the planet.

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>>59419407

>>59414893
This fucking faggot goes to Mars to play wii.

>>59420935
>implying you can fit 16 people in a corvette
Are you a Mexican?

>>59415238
Word

>>59421778
Yeah. Absolutely insane. Can you imagine living your life with the Wii as your only entertainment? Extremely limited space and your Internet connection is extremely limited in latency and bandwidth.

No you clearly bring a large set of raspberry-pi and a massive collection of emulator games.

What a terrible existence.

You really have to be a scientist so you have something to do.

>>59419581
Won't all the burgers be spoiled by year 2?
I mean I assume they don't have energy to just refrigerate them for 2 years

>>59415298
>robots can't adapt
But the humans can adapt them remotely. It's true that patching software on Mars is a bit annoying but its not impossible.

>>59419581
>put 300 tons into space and land it on Mars
Failed hard at the first step there.

>>59420935
Assuming there's 2-3 floors in the main chamber, that sounds about right.
>dozen or so bedrooms and common kitchen/sitting area, etc

>>59421408
do you have a problem with that? We do have a universally coordinated time you know.

>>59415238
That's what they're doing dipshit.

>>59419295
>>59416087

>NASA starts recruiting /r9k/ citizens
>they try to post on 4chan from space
>the captcha expires before the signal reaches earth
>infinite error loop with 16 minutes of wait between each one
>NEETs start killing themselves without shitposts
>4chan traffic lowers
>quality goes up
>space station nukes itself due to civil unrest and mission fails

I'd say it's worth it. Fund the project.

how are you going to fix the issue of atmosphere? seriously mars has those hemispherical clusters instead of single atmosphere

>>59422307
It has been confirmed time and time again that mars has no ability to host an atmosphere because its core has stopped a long time ago. The planet is literally dead. I really don't understand why people keep giving their attention to these scams anymore.

>>59422371
we could send a drill with a manned crew to nuke the core?

>>59422145
marsone =! nasa

>>59421941
???

SpaceX's vertical rocket landing is the crown jewel of their entire enterprise

Their proof of concept is going to be a Dragon capsule with 4 tons of probes landing in 2018 or 2020

>>59422371
If you managed to install an earthlike atmosphere it would still take one to two million years for the solar wind to blow it away, even without a magnetosphere.

We're not even talking about an atmosphere though, we're talking about a large enclosed habitat. Maybe eventually turn the entire surface of Mars into an incredible sprawling self repairing self replicating space station.

>>59422307
is it a problem?

I think the fact that we don't know if healthy foetuses can develope at mars gravity is the bigger issue.

>>59414893
>living on the surface

enjoy your cosmic radiation

>people still falling for the "let's colonize a dead rock" scam
A billion times cheaper to try to "save" this shithole than to try to colonize a dead rock with a dead core which can't hold an atmosphere, which is irradiated to hell and where fetuses would end up being born looking like deformed pigs thanks to gravity.
Mars will not be colonized even in 500 years.

>>59422438
I think it's easier to actually fix our shit up here.

>>59422480
Mars' thin atmosphere still does an admirable job of filtering out radiation. Background radiation on the surface of Mars is 0.7msv per day, astronauts on the ISS are exposed to three times as much.

Fun fact: The background radiation level in the US Capitol building is 0.85msv because the granite was quarried with trace uranium and we have fags who have spent 12 hours a day every day for 40+ years there without dying, unfortunately.

>>59422530
* hugs thisanon

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>>59422551
No it isn't. There is no solution to this that is both ethical and politically palatable.

>>59422530
Engineering problems are far easier to solve than social problems.

On Earth we only have social problems. If you could magically become dictator of Earth and have everyone magically respect your decisions, you could make Earth post scarcity with respect to power, nutrition, and clothing easily within a decade with no new technology. Since there is no dictator everyone will listen to, saving Earth is hardly possible to define, let alone implement.

On Mars there are only engineering challenges. We can already see many possible solutions, and the criteria are mostly objective and agreed upon. It's just a matter of putting the money towards it, and developing a few key technologies.

>>59422605

Do you seriously think it would be more feasible to turn a literal dead rock into a beacon of life instead of just letting africans starve like they have always been?

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>>59420199
>get banned
>only one ip on the entire planet

>>59414893
They're going to get out there and realize that what they're doing is pointless and they'll go insane. Jk they'll never get out there.

>>59423024
Yes? There would be mass rioting in every capital if aid were cut off now.

>>59419699
>what are cruise ships

>>59414893
No, it simply won't

>>59423593
Yes, Mars One is terrible.

A completely illegitimate organization.

I'm thankful that they've "only" been able to steal about a million dollars and space travel is a $20 billion+ annual industry

>>59419640
How much gravity does the balance board (and fetuses) need?

Which TCP/IP version will have entangled particles so we don't have to worry about comm's latency?

>>59414938
are you retarded
it's where you kill a bunch of people and then yourself

>>59414918
/thread

>>59423705
>thinks you can only reach there from here along 3 axis
Take the Bogpill my friend.

>>59420819
No magnetic field to protect the atmosphere.
Good luck in generating a magnetic field for a planet, in the next couple of hundreds years.

>>59423944
see >>59422438
Mars' gravity would retain an atmosphere for a very long time in human terms (no time at all in space terms)

>>59423770
moving through a higher dimension doesn't bypass the distance that still exists in lower dimensions

>>59423944
there are conventional methods for restarting the martian core using guided asteroid impacts and nuclear detonations, but it would take centuries assuming we don't come up with some new tech (magic) that is better.

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>>59422145
>Captcha expires
>They dont use legacy captcha
Shiggy

>>59423969
you'd have to really monitor the sun though, and shield the fug out of electronics that aren't below ground. Wireless comms and GPS could be knocked out for hours at a time, not sure how frequent solar storms are though.

>>59423944
You can't seed a planet that's science fiction. But you sure as hell can build a sustainable habitat in an enclosed system.

>>59423969
okay sounds good enough for me.

>>59424009
how would a guided asteroid impact on the surface heat up the core and not destroy any thing you already build there?
I see how drilling and detonating nukes underground would work.

Also I think gravity is the next big problem since your body would adapt to the point where you couldn't come back to earth.
For example people born there.
Some centrifugal structures which simulate 1g would might be a solution.

>>59416504
>There's more fecal matter on your smartphone screen than on your toilet seat

That's only because he shoved it up his anus.

>>59419611
Hey its like being an international student in the US

>>59424115
this takes a long fucking time, you'd have to do it before any kind of teraforming, the amount of asteroid strikes you'd going to be hitting it with will reshape the surface many times over. You're trying to increase the rotation of the planet by hitting it over and over again at the same low angle. which creates torsional friction from the core to the limb, shaped nuclear charges jump starts the thermal dynamic in the core which sets it rotating.

>>59424109
yes habitats are realistic.
terraforming stays sci-fi for now, but i am all up to that.

>>59424115
>Also I think gravity is the next big problem since your body would adapt to the point where you couldn't come back to earth.
40% gravity is a lot better than microgravity. An 80kg man would weigh 32kg, that's not weightless.

Think of it this way. Are there healthy, normal people that are 40% of the weight or 40% as physically active as other people?

Zero gravity is incredibly hazardous but I feel like Mars has a decent fraction

>>59424182
>You're trying to increase the rotation of the planet by hitting it over and over again at the same low angle
That'd be great for Venus but Mars doesn't really need to spin faster anyway, it's already got that delicious 24 hour day

>>59424188
us beltahs, we gruw up in da low g, long ahms

>>59414893
Obviously fucking not. Rich people watch the same stupid scifi movies we do, except they actually think they can "make it all happen" by tossing enough stacks of cash around.

>>59424200
but a dead core and no magnetosphere. I imagine you could slow the surface rotation down once the core has enough momentum and fluid dynamics allow it to rotate faster

>>59424204
Note that in the (remarkably scientifically detailed) piece of fiction you're citing, children born and raised on Mars tended to just be a bit thin and lanky, while ones who spent most of their development in orbit were freakish spindly monsters

Also another way to look at it: if your body were completely accustomed to a Martian environment, then being on earth would be like living under a constant 2.5g (from your viewpoint) of pressure. Which would be uncomfortable, but not lethal, and if you hung around earth for a while you'd probably acclimate to it. Especially because as a Martian you'd already have a lifetime of extensive physical training beyond sedentary western lifestyles.

>>59424277
>live on earth, vacation on mars

>tfw slamming martian QTs in low /g/ and being a earther chad on libertarian martian pleasure domes in 2217

born in the worst generation, when we lose all the shit that made the past worth living, and die before we can reap any of the benefits of of the cyber nihilism future to come...

>>59414893
The planet is covered in corrosive dust that goes everywhere and stains everything.

Million years of terraforming isn't realistic for humans. We would have to use robots for that, and at this point they don't really need us anymore all they need is silicium metal and electricity which makes them superior for space travel and colonization.

>>59424331
yeah, a million years is something we can't even begin to plan for or visualize, unless we CRISPR ourselves into long lived space marines, we won't live long enough to accomplish an undertaking like teraforming a planet. You really would need to send robots out to do it, , barring any scientific breakthroughs I guess, but we entered sci fi territory a long time ago

>>59414893
>rb drumkit

Those things break all the time.

>>59424322
idiocracy is out future anon, not the bullshit new age startrek fantasy faggots believe we're heading towards. (notice how fucking stupid 90% of the population is? notice how a country with over a billion people still bathes in and drinks sewage waste from the most disgusting cities, millions at a time mind you) although i'd have to agree this is the worst generation.

smart enough to realize how miniscule and utterly worthless all of life is. too stupid to do anything about it, or even enjoy it without it leading towards something that will just make you feel worse afterwards (drugs as an example)

>>59424425
>soldering iron and nothing better to do
>new parts take 18 months to order and can't be altered in transit and 10000% VAT

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>>59419649
Thats why no whities should be allowed there.

>>59424452
cyber nihilism isn't star trek idyllic, it's hell, dude. Even in hell a guy can have a good time I guess, I mean, you're already in hell.

You're mostly right about the drugs thing. If you're already a loser taking drugs won't help you not feel bad. They can be fun

>>59414907
I'm honestly curious about the likelyhood of more advanced VR for people in situations like this. I mean, we're pretty damn close to having legitimate industrial vr systems

>>59414893
Anyone who isn't an introverted hermit would go crazy

>>59420935
I don't really have a problem with it, but what stops someone from going nuts or being a dick and taking a slice into one of the sides. This is like the modern Zeppelin.

>>59424748
Good news on that front

The skin is a 20cm thick sandwich of layers of Nextel ceramic fiber, Kevlar and Nomax that's designed to absorb micro-meteor impacts more durably than conventional metal space structures can. You're not going to hurt it with a box cutter.

That's why it's basically just a big balloon yet it still weighs 100 tons

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>>59424840
Here we go, these mock-ups show pretty well just how thick the skin is, look at the "doorways" where they set up the stairs

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>>59424840
>>59424898
And one more note - there's actually a small Bigelow module docked to the ISS right now. They don't trust it enough to actually use it for living or work space yet but it's been docked there for a year, facing the same external rigors as the rest of the ISS, and it's in great shape.

>>59415238
Yes but automsatinf or controlling robots at that distance is asking for fuckups.
You'd need a handful of overseers to make sure everything is going smoothly

>>59424918
is this an actual picture? It looks really cg to me for some reason

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>>59425056
Might be a mock-up

Bigelow is... overly enthusiastic with their artwork

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>>59419581
Why only one automated ship? Why not send multiple ships?

Obviously humans on Mars need three of everything in case the first two fail.

Like a generator plant. Two generators run at full capacity so you can repair a third one. Never do all three run at once.

Imagine a situation on Mars where you are doing maintenance on gen 3 and gen 1 fails. You go into reduced power mode and are dependent on gen 2 to live. Also reduced power mode will kill all your plants if it stays like that. And that's with 3 generators!

>>59425097
Now we do well and we have 100 colonists. How is medical like? Do we have x-ray, mri, cat, ultrasound, et al machines? What if one breaks? Can we fix it or do we need two?

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>>59415238

We can't even get robots to do that consistently here on earth. What makes you think it'll work on Mars? Are you holding back some amazing infrastructure-building robots from us, Anon?

>>59416504
On my phone? Who told you that? Are you American?

>>59424840
>>59424840
>>59424918
Wow, kind of presumptuous of me to assume that they wouldn't have a plan in mind for a big balloon full of people. The ISS image really just blows me away. The fact that we manufactured something like that with such a high amount of confidence is just crazy.

>>59425121
Now what about dental. 100 colonists require a cleaning every 6 months. That's one patient a day for 200 days on average! Sure we can schedule multiple people a day, but it shows that we need a dentist and all that equipment quick!

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>>59425056
it's clearly CG
you can clearly see individual vertices

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>>59425224
I think you're right. Time for sudoku. I was hunting for pics of it and that looked like the biggest, most detailed one.

Oh well, here's an astronaut inside of it. I hope he's not CGI. Looks like they open it for a day or two every few months just to make sure it's not prone to growing horrifying mold or something that will kill the people on a larger inflatable station.

>>59419581
How does a stupid person get involved in helping SpaceX? I'm currently going for a degree in Aerospace, but it's an extremely competitive field and I've never had the drive to study daily, and being in the STEM field, I know there will always be people better than me with healthy minds and lifestyles. This feels like the only thing worth supporting anymore

>>59425189
A line from Battlestar Galactica

>The civillian population of 45265 requires per week: 82 tons of grain 85 tons of meat, 119 tons of fruit, 304 tons of Vegetables, 2.5 million JPs of Water per week

>>59425267
Stupid line because under the conditions BSG were living in meat would definitely be eliminated from their diet

>>59424707
this.
some holodeck with fresh air simulator, is all you need.

>>59414893
Wasn't Mars One a scam by a private company that fell through? Or am I mixing them up with something else?

>>59425280
The point is showing how much food it takes. Replace the meat with soy, beans, or whatever else up get the protein.

There was that syfy mini series that had that colony ship with a small place for animals. I think they mainly used them for milk, eggs, but I thought they also slaughtered pigs.

>>59425327
Mars One is those people that said we can get people to Mars but it would be one way. Not a total scam, but not going to happen like that.

>>59425356
>Mars One is those people that said we can get people to Mars but it would be one way. Not a total scam, but not going to happen like that.
They're a private company though, right? Not affiliated with NASA/SpaceX or any other international space agency?

>>59425327
It's definitely a scam, they're not out of business yet

They've raised $928,000 of the $100 billion they claim they need by 2031

>>59425370
They've claimed they will hire SpaceX to ferry their equipment on 15 Falcon Heavy flights once they've rounded up the $4.5 billion to pay for those flights

They're 0.002% of the way to meeting that fundraising goal

>>59425374
What the fuck. Why would anyone donate to this if it requires that huge amount of money? Please let these numbers be fake.

>>59425393
Holy shit, I need to set up my own business and tell people that I can fly them to Europa if they give me a ridiculous amount of money. I've been looking for a get rich scheme. I'll tell them that I need the money by 2035. I plan to have ODed on all kinds of expensive drugs by that time if it works. Fuck. I hate people so much.

>>59425396
$100 billion is the NASA estimate.

SpaceX hopes to get it done for $10 billion. They've got a decent shot considering they're already the most inexpensive and efficient rocketry company in the world and NASA is a bloated whale of governmental corruption.

$10 billion is still a fuckload more than $928k

>Why would anyone donate to this
Never seen a KickStarter before?

>>59415328
>>59422145
>/r9k/
How does a board become so irrelevant so quickly after being the centre of attention a couple years ago? Did the FBI arrest all of the beta uprisers already?

>>59425425
But the SpaceX plan doesn't make sense. They aren't sending enough supplies / base material with two rockets.

>>59425425
>Never seen a KickStarter before?
Not a $10 billion one, no.

>>59425433
>Not kickstarting nuclear fusion

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>>59425432
To be fair they are talking about the largest rocket and largest spaceship in history

Look at the craft in >>59419934 compared in size to the typical moon orbit or ISS resupply modules

>>59425474
Holy shit Elon, why are you such a beautiful human bean?

>>59425474
Is it enough though? We are talking a lot of equipment. For example one worry is the crew might have an issue landing off target. So they need a rover to get to base. Not to mention two rovers could be very useful later if each ship gets one.

Now if Musk wants to get 100 people quick then they need a lot of equipment. Just to mine ice and rocket fuel on Mars is a lot.

>>59425535
Honestly? No space travel plan is finished until after the rocket is launched. They may well do a second set of cargo missions in the following synodic period instead of immediately following it up with a manned mission. I would presume the number one reason they want to get one of those big ships up, running and flown to Mars is to make sure it would work at all, and everything else is secondary to that until it happens.

Imagine the crossed fingers as an object the size of a five story building tries to safely hover down on to the red dust for the first time when half the time RC car sized objects explode on landing

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>>59425535
This here to me is bullshit. An automated rocket fuel machine does not sound easy and even worse it needs a source of ice and a lot of power for electrolysis.

>>59425577
>it needs a source of ice
We can all agree this is THE most important thing, there's no point in ever bothering with Mars unless you've got it

>and a lot of power
There's 200KW of solar panels, is that not gonna do it?

>>59416892
>Human interaction back home takes more than 30 minutes minimum.

As long as I could take all the worlds music with me. I would not mind.

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>>59425189
>>59425121
This story might interest you

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jerri_Nielsen

The South Pole is only accessible for about four months of the year, but 45 people live there year-round. They've had to cope on site with breast cancer, a stroke and a case of methanol poisoning.

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>>59425164
Are you implying that you're not american?

>>59425700
I remember this story well.
>Because she bitched non stop that she wanted to leave and they didn't have an mri.
Wiki is really leaving out the details here.

>>59425597
No, the power needs for Mars are going to be crazy. I just spent the last half hour reading reddit threads on solar panels vs nuclear reactor for a Mars colony. Most seem to be accept that you will need both to run the colony. Later on if you are doing heavy mining or manufacturering will require even more power. If you can make solar panels there then it could work. But to start everything uses so much power that it is hard to get away without nuclear. Mars like gets 2/3 the solar power earth does.

>>59414893
What's the point?
Can you harvest minerals in Mars? Is there any lifeform to study? Are they going to be able to terraform Mars?

With Current state of technology there's nothing to gain from trying to survive on Mars or the Moon. You can do the same tests by living inside a huge hangar with its own climate, they can even shower the astronauts with radiation to make it more real.

>>59425824
>Can you harvest minerals in Mars? Is there any lifeform to study? Are they going to be able to terraform Mars?
I love how the answers to those questions are legitimately "yes, no, maybe"

>>59425847
That second one gets it maybe also. Life may be there.

>>59425911
Send my best wishes to local viruses and bacterias.

While it be cool to live on a base on another Planet but I feel like it'll end up going horribly wrong in the end. All those metal hallways and artificial living conditions would drive people to insanity. I'd imagine you'll have to terraform whole sections of Mars to make it more like Earth or everything will just kill each other from the crazy.

>>59426364
Just only send people who play civilization.

>>59425700
>methanol poisoning
Shithole distillery Ltd.

>>59426297
Life independent Of Earth is a major discovery and has vast implications if different than ours.

Anyone read the mars trilogy? they make a reasonably sound guide for martian colonisation.

One of the first moves the initial colonists made was using the automated equipment that had been left for them to excavate into mesas or the sides of canals for more permanent living space. And early colonies consisted of drones, or more innovatively building a roof over martian canals, and as the colonists needed, extend the roof and walls as the colony grew.

Will Wii's balance board successfully work in Martian gravity? Good question. Probably.

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>>59427590
>canals

>>59414938
Are you seriously this fucking retarded?

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>>59415090
Because ISS gets shipments and supplies often enough thanks to it being so close to Earth,
so its crew don't go crazy.

Mars on the other hands, yeah...

>>59415745
That's not only a prototype far away from production (has huge problems getting up in several circumstances) it can do ONLY that and nothing else.
The whole thing is capable of nothing but balancing/not falling over. It needs constant, wired power supply for longer operation, it has no other capabilities. It lacks both intelligence and hardware for e.g. carrying stuff (including load/unload), producing or manipulating stuff (no tools on the robot and no "multipurpose limb" that is capable of mounting and using something). Additionally, it has no capabilities of recognizing anything beyond "oh, an obstacle!" level.

You sound like a fucking normie that reads headlines like "scientists successfully killed mouse cancer cells in petri dishes!" a few times per year and goes all "yeah, great, cancer defeated".

>>59422530
Just put all the preggers in a spinner or something to keep the gravity up.

>>59423413
>We've stopped funding the niggers because the only way for them to succeed is if their own businesses can be competitive, and no business can compete with getting free shit.
>However, if you, the citizens, wish to give your own money, we have set up a fund that will directly give every cent donated to the africans, the expenses are covered out of pocket by us, well, your taxes, but not your donations.
>Now, to keep up the old funding scheme, each citizen will need to donate approximately $3,000 per year to keep the status quo.
>Oh, you don't want that, do you? $3k to a system that literally hasn't done a drop of good in the last 60 years?
>Well then, I mean, for your donation, each citizen would get a whole 0.0001 cents.
>Oh, only donate to a few? Then the hundred million of us would need to donate to 10 people each to cover them. Gotta keep them 10 people alive, them having never done any work in their lives, but you can pay to keep them alive if you want.
>Now now, we're not COMPLETELY cutting off support.
>Instead, we will be selling food to them at stupidly low prices. Some bread for a rock. Any rock. We don't care, not for minerals, not for anything, literally any fucking rock and they'll get bread. This'll get their economy going, in that people will be going around picking up rocks. After a while, we'll up that to 10 rocks.
>Eventually, we'll switch to grass or something. Everything they give us we'll just pile up, so for the grass we'll just let it rot/compost, meaning there will be a constant demand for more grass.
>Sooner or later, they'll figure out how to farm. Not as good as the hundreds of thousands of white people they kicked out, and are now starving because of, but at least growing fucking grass is something.
>Then we'll change payment to wheat. Slowly, so a fuckload of grass of a small amount of wheat will give them the same return, so they're incentivised to grow wheat.
C(U)NT...

GONDOLA
>We'll start accepting minerals, raw ore, other things of actual value. Sooner or later, people will decide they can make and sell food cheaper than us. We'll keep pushing the price up, so that they can also raise their prices. More and more people start competing, until, eventually, there is no need for the support system at all, and bam, you have an economy.
BUT THIS'D NEVER WORK BECAUSE NEITHER DO NIGGERS, even if you trick them into picking up rocks for bread.

>>59414893
they should send small framed people, midget asians for example. Also people with good eating habits, and zero gut problems.

>>59428360
We're speaking total human ability in robotics, not a single unit.
That combined with image recognition, basic machine learning and training in an arid desert here would be more than capable.

The fact it needs power line is a minor issue. It's going to fucking Mars, a larger battery is very doable.
That line is for simplicity, not a requirement. Technically similar robots have full battery no wire setups. (see Honda)

Even most of NASA robots are fairly autonomous in function. They just don't let them go full auto because NASA budget is a fucking joke and one loss is very significant.

>>59414893
Probably. Elon KingAutist Musk wants to die on Mars and he has connections to get state funds for all his projects.

>>59414907
>earth air
>fresh
>optimized for human well being by 22nd century technology
Are you even trying?

>>59414893
Lol, no.

>>59415232
>>59423741
>>59428239

This is what happens if you dropout of middle school, kids.

>>59425700
I don't think the mars one crew will be funded for scientific research. They might not be all phds with a lot of government money.

>>59419581
>$200,000
I would go.

>>59414893
>goes to new planet
>first thing he does is set up and play his wii

>>59425189
w-what kind of cleaning are you talking about?

>>59419744
Better gas or chair all criminals and recycle them for soylent

>>59419707
Martian internet when?

>>59414893
>>59414907
Does this mean our next civilization will be descendant of losers instead of stronk warrior and shrewd merchant?

>>59430285
I assume you are a bong?

In burgerland dental insurance pays for two cleanings a year. They clean your teeth, inspect, and x-ray for any cavities.

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>>59414907
>murder suicides

>>59425425
SpaceX is cheap because they order their parts from the lowest bidder. Why do you think their launches always fall?

>>59431200
just one type of suicide

>>59431274
You don't bid on parts, you bid on jobs. Spacex uses off the shelf parts and does custom stuff only if needed and in house.

>>59425430
Because the US election came around and /pol/ stole their limelight.

Hell, /pol/ even destroyed /b/

>>59431274

Define "always". Their rate of failure isn't considerably higher than that of traditional launch, especially when you consider exactly how ambitious their plan is and how fast they're moving.

Of course it's safer to launch rockets using 'proven' technology with established formulas. That doesn't mean we should never attempt to prove new technology and establish new formulas. SpaceX is doing just that, and as far as I'm concerned, they're succeeding famously, and are responsible for the greatest renaissance in rocketry since the 1960s.

>>59429199

Mars One is not Musk's project. Mars One isn't going to succeed, whereas Musk's has a chance.

>connections to get state funds

He literally had to sue the military for the right to compete with an established monopoly. It's not like he was a made man out of the gate, some spoiled baby who just walked in and took everything from people who were ready to just hand it over. He and his companies have fought tooth and nail to get where they are today, and that's honestly pretty admirable.

>>59428149

'Canals' is still the accepted terminology for the geological feature, even though we know that no water is present.

>>59426364

http://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-34092770

It's not like we haven't been testing this.

>>59425574

>half the time RC car sized objects explode on landing

The reason why this is the case is because, historically, our probes have relied on collision mitigation to make the landing -- parachutes, airbags, etc. These don't work well on Mars (or, for that matter, anywhere that isn't Earth) because of the thin atmosphere involved.

ITS, on the other hand, intends to use thrust as a means of slowing itself, which has never been done before on this scale, and would, if successful, enable us to land safely on any solid object, provided we had the fuel necessary (according to calculations, we should.

Musk went over this in his keynote, man. I watched it, why didn't you?

>>59415344
They get that frightened?

>>59422406
lost,
good refrence anon

>>59431632
The Russian Mars 500 was the most successful of the isolation experiments. Lasted 520 days. Funny part is NASA refused to listen to what the Russians were doing and their early efforts failed. For example NASA made their stuff out of a lot of plastic even after Russia told them that plastic outgassing was a major problem.

In this case it looks like NASA did finish the year. Of course the Russian stuff was done 30 years ago.

http://www.npr.org/sections/thetwo-way/2016/08/29/491794937/mars-mission-crew-emerges-from-yearlong-simulation-in-hawaii

>>59431632
>Musk went over this in his keynote, man. I watched it, why didn't you?
I did. I am aware of SpaceX's beautiful vertical landing successes - and their failures. Sending a 50 meter long chunk of metal all the way to Mars then decelerating it to land gracefully on the red dust will be difficult and dangerous.

Note that I'm not saying "impossible" but I can't imagine you would argue that it will be simple or guaranteed effective.

>>59432279

Here's the thing about their failures, though: they're largely negated by their successes. For all SpaceX's failures re-landing boosters, for instance, they always said that it was a matter of getting the launch right *once*, after which they could do it right a hundred consecutive times, since they'd know they had their math right.

And, so far, their record bears them out. They haven't failed to re-land a booster on a barge since the first time they succeeded.

So, yes, they *could* fail, but as time goes on, they're more likely to succeed, as no SpaceX failure ever goes to waste.

>>59414916
www.atlassurvivalshelters dot com

you can have one, Anon

>>59416358
People went murder suicide over smaller things than that. But I suppose they will have to pass some test before being sent.

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>tfw you are so useless you won't even be able to be sent to Mars for almost suicide mission as a test fodder.

What I could have done differently?

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>>59433464

>tfw you're so awesome that everyone elevates you as soon as they meet you, and you'd almost certainly get chosen to go on the trip if you applied

>>59433423
A lot of you people seem to be hinting you watched that nat geo mars show that had present day reality mixed with a future Mars mission.

Anyway even though there are some big screw ups I suggest watching. It has a guy kill himself and others because muh plants are kill.

Other notable things is landing off target and having to use a rover to get to base and a dust storm that is in reality impossible because of the thin atmosphere.

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>be nasa
>send people to mars
>give people access to the internet so they can communicate with their families
>internet is slow as fuck so they can only browse text-based sites
>eventually some gravitate towards forechins
>they get a group of hikki autists to apply
>they start skewing the selection process so eventually autistic weebs are the only population on mars
>you get 100+ messages a week demanding anime figurines or they'll stop researching whatever the fuck
>no one must know
>/jp/ are the ambassadors of earth in space

Possibly best timeline
Bonus points if ayys contact mars and they get the greys hooked on shit idol anime.

>>59433423
Current day astronauts have to go through extensive phycological vetting to get accepted into the program. Essentially the 3 boxes you’ve got to tick be to become an astronaut are:
1. Have been military test pilot
2. Be sane
3. Be healthy
Given the amount of people who tick those three boxes you pretty much have to be a perfect specimen of human sanity to even get into training.

>>59434683

You know, it's possible that being what we consider "sane" isn't always the best fit. Some people who are considered to be "mentally ill" also exhibit high amounts of resilience to trauma and stress.

>>59434732
Well I’m sure they go into more detail than just "yeah you're good whatever". I'm pretty sure they pick them with a specific mission in mind and aim to end up with a crew purpose built to like each other and work well as a team.
And from what I’ve read a lot of those crews continue to be friends long after they leave NASA, which would indicate that they are pretty good at picking people.

>>59434545
FAAAAAAAAAGS IIIIIIIIN SPAAAAAAAAAACE!

>>59435244

Honestly, it's hard not to be on good terms with someone after you're stuck in a can with them for a few days.

Also, yeah, some of the best crisis leaders in the history of the human race have been severely mentally ill. Sometimes, it just takes a person who's the right *kind* of sick.

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>>59436222
3/4

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>>59436262
At any rate, enjoy living in your shitty huts in a 0.376G Martian hellscape plebians.

Meanwhile up above, fresh air, green grass and 1G.

For real though, Mars should just serve as an agricultural planet.

Of course it will.

The thing is, humans suck at everything. Like, seriously suck. Their resources and care demands are astronomical compared to robots.
Sure, put a few humans on the surface and they'll get more done in a week than all rovers (and faster too, those things *crawl* on the surface) combined thus far, but at an expense that would get you a battalion of rovers on the surface.

So the solution is simple: wait until we have sufficiently capable robots (with high autonomy, although Mars is only 22 light minutes away at maximum.). It all comes down to having a sufficiently powerful AI with a powerful/mobile enough body and power supply. Drop a few hundred of them (unlike humans they can literally be sent over in tin cans) and have them build a base. A huge drill wouldn't be bad either, it saves on construction time. After a few year you can send over the humans to finish up by painting the walls and putting up a "Mars Sweet Mars" sign.

Robots are the colonists of the future, humans are the tourists.

>>59414893
>paying money to die
You can do that for free here and if you want to spend money you can have a kick ass time doing lots of drugs.

>>59420935
>parking a corvette next to it

This doesn't help your point

>>59425267
That's funny, I don't eat vegetables EVER and rarely fruit, and I'm fine.

>>59438557

Instead you eat a bunch of heavily processed foods that have nutrients injected into them (that were harvested from vegetables and fruit, maybe even bugs).

>>59433513
You're a nobody, just like me. Quit trying to fool yourself.

>>59436222
Why the fuck is "porn" listed in the upper left diagram? Is this seriously necessary?
>priorities

>>59438580
You're not going to gross me out, I'd rather eat beetles than vegetables.

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>>59419615

If I'm a healthy, fit, capable human being, (broad range of practical skills from technical to mechanical) but with no real credentials or education, will I be able to make it to Mars within my lifetime if I'm 25 now?

If there's a career path of some kind that will get me there, it isn't too late to start.

If not, how much cash do I need to have in my bank account? $200k? $300k? More? If it's just a matter of money, I can make it happen one way or another.

>>59438767
Doubtful without cash flow. This isn't being picked for a kickball team at recess, they need trained professionals and specialists.

>>59438732

I wasn't trying to gross you out, just saying it's the same thing.

My point was, even though I didn't enumerate it, is that you need a source for those nutrients. On Earth you don't have to eat vegetable because someone has already taken the leftover vegetables, squeezed all the useful shit out of them, and put it into something else you want to eat.

On mars, they'll probably just eat the fuckin' vegetables because it's more efficient.

>>59438796

I guess I'm hoping that there aren't enough trained specialists with the desire and willingness to die on a cold and empty world for nothing but the satisfaction.

>>59414893

YEAH FUCKING RIGHT... I would go fucking INSANE if all I had was a fucking Wii to play for the rest of my life. Online gameplay wouldn't exist either... To top it all off... I'm a virgin on a planet of 3 billion women, I would with out a doubt continue to be one on a planet with 6...

>>59414893
>sending people on a suicide mission

What fucking retard will sign up for this

I bet someone in the group is going to snap and kill everyone

>>59438986
>>59438911

Small minded people, destined to die on Earth.

>>59439077

Have fun on mars stuck in a bubble for the rest of your life my friend. I'll be here with the ability to actually use my wages, on hookers and blow.

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>>59438911
>>59439157
>sex sex sex
Overrated desu. I can't wait for gynoids to git gud for the ultimate masturbation.

>>59428360
>carrying stuff (including load/unload)
the video literally shows the robot carrying stuff.

also this >>59429173

You sound like a fucking retard because you see one piece as a whole when it's really just... one piece.

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>>59439077
>not planing on living forever

>>59438911
You forget that you're on a planet of 3 billion men and here women can choose with whom they associate. I'd give any man of below average sexual desirability a higher chance on Mars than on Earth.

>>59414893
no /thread.

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>>59424326

>>59425265
From what I've heard SpaceX burns through engineers because they're extremely demanding, so as long as you're decent you should be able to get a job.

>>59425700
>https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jerri_Nielsen
Not to mention the guy who removed his appendix in Antarctica.

>>59425911
Or may have been there at one point.

>>59431200
>>59414938
c'mon, kids
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Murder%E2%80%93suicide

>>59419615
lol

>>59415670
We won't have constant real time communication anon. It's not even as simple as a delay. People forget something very basic. Both Earth and Mars are moving, and not at the same pace.

will they smoke pot on mars? lol.

>>59421467
Solar Roadways are also a complete scam. I watched a youtube video once where they tore them apart. That shit is just a horrible idea.

No panel would generate enough power to heat itself to the point to melt snow and ice for example, and do you have any idea how often they will have to replaced? You going to shut down a three mile swath of I-10 for example to find the one panel that cracked under the weight of a semi for example? Or how about shut it down for a week while repair crews rush us for that accident that now not only killed everyone involved but also tore up a shit ton of the panels?

Yeah, Solar Roads are a fucking scam and anyone who knows enough to be able to design one would know enough about how solar works and the panels are designed to know it's just not feasible.

>>59423705
Another anon killed that dream friend, using entangled particles for FTL communications doesn't actually work. Literally anything you do to observe them would destroy the entanglement, and they would disentangle on their own in timespans so small humans can't comprehend.

The honest answer to interplanetary communication would probably be info dumps. Both planets have their own internets and at least parts of both are downloaded by the other every so often. Not real time communication but you could at least browse. Message boards would also come back into vogue as people would leave a post and then fuck off instead of being able to skype or chat with someone back here.

>>59424918
It's real. What other anon isn't telling you is it was in the news because it failed to inflate several times before it started looking like that.

aliens are watching us and will likely interfere
one of the most overlooked aspects desu

>>59425251
>ISS astronaut
>firmly standing on his own feet
???

>>59414893
The pings will be terrible. Who would want to play with laggy mars people

>>59430345
You could literally throw them outside for a few seconds.

>>59431274
So does everyone, including and especially NASA itself, what's your point?

>>59442745
They actually might. As a plant it's like the most efficient thing in the world for carbon to oxygen and the seeds are great for protein.

>>59425430
That will cost us a lot of tendies

if happens i will do it! leave this planet full of normies and leave alone in a peace place... so fuckin good, in the only good part is the other guys who also go but dont care

>>59415503
>>praying mat
That's a persian carpet you nitwit

>>59421913
What burgers, do you mean nutrient paste?

>>59442745
>will they smoke pot on mars? lol.
Stoners need to be gassed.
Good thing they slowly kill them self.

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>>59438557
>>59438732
Wow. You are quickly killing yourself. Send pictures of fat fingers

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>>59423944
https://phys.org/news/2017-03-nasa-magnetic-shield-mars-atmosphere.html
New research into miniature magnetospheres supports the concept

>>59414893
they haven't really done any actual planning

>Spend hundreds of billions of dollars to create a biome on Mars with gravity and air
>They declare independence and seclude from USA same way we did with Brits.

EU shitposting crew would have a blast.

>>59414893
>it costs millions of dollars to send a single pound of anything to Mars
>electricity generators utilize extremely precious limited fuel sources or utilize solar energy and the power is badly needed for vital things such as atmos, hvac, hydroponics, etc

>let's send a bunch of video games to Mars !!!!!!!

>>59438767
I remember Musk saying in an interview that he'd sell one-way tickets to Mars for 500k.

>>59415238
Haven't you read any asimov

Sending robots to build a planet for humans doesn't work

>>59438718
that's "pom.", not "porn", which stands for "measurements" in polish

>>59446850
Actually it worked very well. The colonies developed quickly. The only problem is that when the robots did everything people became quickly isolated from one another.

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>>59414907

>sending carbon lifeforms based to Mars only for collect rocks

You know robots exist? Mars dont need humans astronauts

>>59446903
...which was seen as a problem in Asimov's time, but is largely acceptable today - especially for non-normies

>>59414907
they just need to make sure they have an internet connection for torrenting anime and shitposting on 4chan and they're golden

>>59415315
It's going to level off at some point. We can't just expect for technology to increase this rapidly forever seeing as how Moore's law is going to be bunk soon enough

>>59421913
>burgers
pretty sure is gonna be the some paste or some bagged/canned shit fille with nutrients and conservatives

>>59414893
All that wasted space?

No.

>>59419581
>All eggs
>Two baskets

No

>>59448449
Isolation means something different today. It used to mean going to Thoreau cabin, now it means in your room playing single and multiplayer games. I can be in isolation yet still talk to all of you.

>>59414907
I can live on Mars then, pretty cool.

>>59448967
I agree you can't go from ten people to a 100. Also the amount of cargo they need is crazy. Food alone for ten people for two years is a lot. 100 people for two years is more than one rocket one self.

>>59431438
It was not really original /pol/, that place is what it is today because of reddit, especially the_donald. Now they're coming for the other boards, 4chan will be kill by the time trump is not president anymore.

>>59449116
The ISS's rations are 1.7kg of food per person per day. In two years, 10 people would consume a relatively modest 14 tons.

Of course 100 people becomes 140 tons, which is nearly half of the useful payload, but presumably that's why flight one carries more heavy equipment.

>>59414907
They could just send a bunch of /g/entoomen
>tech savvy
>antisocial
>never goes outside

>>59445958
Shit, we can do that? How much energy are we talking about here?

>>59449021
This. I barely speak to anyone, but I have """social interaction""" just by being on 4chan.

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>Muslims can't go to space.