/tpg/ - ThinkPad General

I managed to accidentally step on my x200t, and now my screen is cracked. However, the pen part of the screen works perfectly fine. So does anyone know if I can just buy a regular IPS x200 screen and replace that part only?

What would be a fair yuro price for a T450? Or for an X250?

>>59408819
US price + VAT

>inb4 telegram faggot

What does /g/ think about the 2011 X1 (the one before the Carbon)?

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>>59410129
It's shit.

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What does the /g/enius club think of Dell Precisions?

>>59409796
kek

tgfew wattchingf riddick n browsuinng on myt x230t


USIONG ,MHYU GFFDEDEWTG

>>59410197
>Other business laptops are also welcome in /tpg/ (e.g. Dell Latitude/Precision, HP EliteBook/ZBook).
They're cool, I guess. Never used one.

>>59410276
>Never used one.
Doesnt seem like many people have.

>>59410129
I don't really see any good reason to get one, the only advantage they have over a reasonably specced x220 is that it's thinner. Maybe it'd make sense if you got it cheap, but on the rare occasion I see one on ebay they're overpriced.

why does everyone say to avoid the nvidia gpus? is optimus in linux really that bad?

>>59410851
>more expensive
>more that can go wrong
>depending on the model, some are either worse or equal to the iGPU and some have issues with limited graphics memory
>even if it's better than the iGPU, the dGPU is still pretty average on everything but maybe the W series
>more power usage
Unless you want to use CUDA or something, you're better off either living with the HD4000, getting a W series, or getting a laptop that's actually meant for gaymen.

That sucks. I had the t420 in mind. If I get one with an Nvidia card, and disable it in the BIOS, will everything else (like the video ports) still work? Will it have the same battery as one without the Nvidia card?

>>59411179
>>59411091
Oops, meant to give you a (you)

>>59411179
>>59411203
I don't have one but I'm pretty sure it'll be fine if you disable it. The dGPU on the T420 should be a fair bit better than the iGPU anyway, it's just that a T430 iGPU would be better than both, and probably around the same price. If the T420 with Nvidia is cheap though then don't let the GPU put you off.

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My t420 makes a shutter sound randomly.

It's not the same as the screenshot shutter, it's more muffled and maybe a bit shorter.

It seems to originate from underneath the area where you'd rest your left wrist when typing... near the little stickers.

I bought the t420 used of course and there was a little bit of play or looseness in that area when it was delivered.
It's not anything too bad but if you tap it lightly with a finger, plastic clicks against plastic... whereas the corresponding area on the other side does not click.

The random shutter sound is mildly annoying and not really good for my paranoia.
What am I hearing?

also... i've searched the internet and found nothing helpful
i don't have skype installed (some people have had issues with that making noise in the background) and it happens randomly no matter what i have running

>>59410197
thicc

>>59411811
>It seems to originate from underneath the area where you'd rest your left wrist when typing... near the little stickers.
Only one of the drives and the smartcard reader (if you have it) is there.

>>59411811
>plastic clicks against plastic

pretty normal in the left area after it's been disassembled a few times.


>>59411811
>The random shutter sound is mildly annoying and not really good for my paranoia.
>What am I hearing?


probably the hard drive parking its head.

use this https://sites.google.com/site/quiethdd/

right now I only use ssd's in my laptops but before that I've use this for years to stop the hard drive clicking noise from happening, with zero side effects.

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>>59411973
>>59412068
Thanks, anons.
That helped a lot.

I decided it was time to move away from Windows, so I guess I won't be able to use the nifty little application that was linked.
But as long as the sound isn't some sort of precursor to the click of death or the NSA stealing my pterodactyl porn, I can live with it.

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>>59408056
Please help me /g/ays, are there any internal differences between T430 and T430i? I think the chipset is the same QM77. Some people say there are worse capacitors in the T430i, some say there's no difference at all. I'm asking because I can get a T430i with 1600x900 screen and i3 3120M much cheaper than a T430 with 1366x768 and i5 3320M, and I'm planning to upgrade to an i7 anyway.

>>59412194
>I guess I won't be able to use the nifty little application that was linked.

http://www.thinkwiki.org/wiki/Problem_with_hard_drive_clicking

>>59412246
you'll fry that shit

Is T420 with Core i5 2520m + 4 GB of RAM enough for today's daily drive?

>>59412331
Can you elaborate? I know that I'll have to match TDP, but I'm worried that T430i mobo will shit itself if its built worse than standard T430 mobo

>>59412508
yes

>>59412580
For how long before it becomes obsolete?

>>59412594
dude mobile core 2 duos are still perfectly usable in 2017

>>59412636
>mobile core 2 duos are still perfectly usable in 2017
For using basic text editors.
Have you tried opening a website or using a document with a lot of charts?
Or simply playing 1080p BD chinese cartoons?

>>59412669
>falling for the T420 meme
Unless you're a programmer, you should get a decent laptop.

>>59412669
>Have you tried opening a website or using a document with a lot of charts?
my t500 (p8600) has no issues, and I only have 4gb ram atm
>Or simply playing 1080p BD chinese cartoons?
>falling for 1080p meme
no point watching 1080p when screen isn't even 1080p(1680x1050, at least on mine), 720p plays just fine.

>>59412794
>720p just fine
yea, maybe, if you live in the early '00s

>>59412794
>no point watching 1080p
What to do if the only available is 1080p?
Ask nicely to provide 720p?
Also downscaling require less CPU power than upscaling.

>>59412758
Yeah, why would anyone want to only pay $175 for a laptop? Stupid dumb asses.

>>59412818
>Also downscaling require less CPU power than upscaling.

lmao

Is the only reason the x220 is recommended instead of the x230, the keyboard?

I have shells of both that I got for more or less the same price and the x230 is slightly lighter with better specs. Seems like a keyboard swap would give me the best of both worlds. Just wish it had an IPS display, though I can see some on aliexpress for $60. Those are legit right?

i am looking to uograde mu T430 with an ssd. is it worth to get a small ssd (~30gb) just for my root and swap partitions whilst home will stay at the hdd? what are the best ssds to get?

>>59413133
It's mostly the keyboard, yes, but that can be fixed. Another thing is probably that it's not worth the minor upgrade in specs for the money, if you want to go cheap that is.

The IPS is probably legit, but might have problems with burn-in

hey /g/uys
im gonna buy a thinkpad T410 later today, anything i need to watch out for? notorious problems in general and all other buying advice welcome

>>59413373
Get a X201

>>59413373
Some issues I've had with mine
>subframe around the hinge broke and to be araldited in place
>hinges are kind of loose
This isn't a big deal and can be fixed anyway so I wouldn't let that put you off
>256MB of graphics memory is a fucking joke and combined with the lack of graphics switching it means you'll struggle to make use of the GPU but it'll still be shitting on your battery life no matter what
If you get one with a dGPU, check that you can turn it off in the bios or that it's 512MB, else you'll be stuck with overheating and shit battery life.
>Overheats to 100C under load and has to throttle where later generations will usually sit at 70C with an equivalent mid-tier i5.
>Overheats just browsing the net if you try and use a dock with it
>1440x900 screen has absolute shit viewing angles and the moment your eyes aren't completely perpendicular and centered with the screen the top and bottom start looking off
>Backlight fuse was blown when I bought it
I'm pretty average with soldering and the fuses are tiny so fixing was hell, but buying it for next to nothing because of it was well worth it.

If you need any real performance out of it, it's very well worth going a generation up. Otherwise the 16:10 screen is pretty comfy as long as you get it cheap.

perhaps this is a good place to ask:
i'm looking for a (very) cheap laptop that will do good at torrenting, to reduce the power usage, and be used whenever i need to leave home for longer
prefered long battery life. doesn't need to be a rocket for games like HoMM3 or older

>>59413521
Actually while I'm at it, if you get one apart make sure you don't confuse screw sizes - there's nothing to stop you from putting an incorrectly long screw too far into the keyboard or WLAN card.

>>59413530
Look at the X220, or X230 if you want better graphics performance for paying a little more. If you want cheaper or more power efficiency then I would just hunt around for whatever's cheap with an atom in it - though don't go too old because very early atoms probably won't take well to torrenting.

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>my thinkpad won't get delivered to me today because of a snowstorm
JUST

>>59413599
need more info on that atom stuff
also X220/230 are still damn expensive

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Does the Speaker Mute button have a LED in it on the T410? When I press it, should it turn red, just like the Microphone Mute button?

Can a T410 owner confirm if theirs lights up when they press it? I am on a Linux distribution and the Microphone Mute button lights up red when I press it, but the Speaker Mute one doesn't. I don't know if it's a Linux software issue, if my hardware is broken or if it's just not supposed to light up.

Guys, how difficult is it to change the RAM in a thinkpad so it can have more RAM?

>>59413707
X200 then

>>59413599
hmmm i see, i better not then
I found a T520, would that be a better bet?

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>>59411962
>>59410197

>>59413737
I should add im not looking for an x series because its a bit too small for my taste

With iGPU does the VRAM of the GPU get shared with the RAM?
If so does that mean graphically intensive tasks would get affected if I run RAM intensive tasks?

>>59413792
As far as I know the iGPU actually doesn't have dedicated VRAM. It uses the system RAM

>>59413707
Atoms are Intel's super low power CPUs that are cheap and usually end up in netbooks and phones. Having a bit more of a look now there's plenty of cheap options with higher end low power processors anyway. Just so you know, any cpu with a model ending in U is the ultralow power models which might be better for your situation but M models aren't usually much worse for power anyway.

Just have a look at something like the X131e as an example of something very cheap that fits and is a thinkpad. The only thing I'm not entirely sure of is how well it'll handle gayming. Otherwise some of the older X series like >>59413737 suggested can be cheap though having an older CPU doesn't do you any favours for power efficiency.

>>59413737
The T410 might still be fine, other than my gripe about the graphics, which you can check, the rest is mostly random issues or me being pedantic. It's nice for the form factor and good if you can get it cheap anyway. The T520 will probably be a bit more well rounded though. Ultimately it comes down to specs, prices, and what you need out of them.

>>59413874
I know that.
Will it affect performance that way?

Why the recommended laptop is the X220 and not the X230 ? I want to buy one of those. I prefer the X230 but i want advice. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1mha1NNXTbY

>>59413736
>>59413875
okay, i'll check them

>>59413792
>not just making a ramdisk in your VRAM and using as swap and setting your swappiness up high to take pressure off of the RAM so your iGPU can use it

>>59413917
Because the X220 is a little cheaper and the classic keyboard is a meme. Though mostly just because that's how it's been since the X230 was much more expensive and the OP hasn't been changed.

>>59413792
If you're maxing it out, I suppose. HD3000 and 4000 allocate around 1.5GB of system RAM for their VRAM. Thinkpads of either generation can be loaded up to 16GB, so that'd have to be some really intensive program to have such a problem, probably beyond the iGPU's capabilities to handle.

>>59413917
Do you care about the old keyboard?
Do you want to easily flash a modded BIOS without any extra tools?
Do you want a cheaper one?

Grab the X220.

Otherwise, X230.

>>59413957
I'm just trying to play Life is strange with wine, on core i52520m with iGPU HD 3000

>>59413917

On a x230 you can only use genuine batteries

>>59413990
Do you have RAM in both DIMMs? Otherwise chances are that it's just the iGPU that's your bottleneck, assuming you're not running anything stupidly intensive at the same time.

>>59414029

You can force it to use chink batteries

>>59414033
>Do you have RAM in both DIMMs?
Yes, 2 GB x 2.
I'm running manjaro with XFCE.

>>59414034

Can you flash whatever unlocked bios on a x230? Or is it hardware-flash only?

>>59413726
Very easy in my experience. Standard laptop SODIMM swap out. It has a panel that you remove to access the ram and then you just plug in your big dick.

>>59413977
>Do you care about the old keyboard?
Mod it m8

>Do you want to easily flash a modded BIOS without any extra tools?
What do you do this for? Genuine question.

>Do you want a cheaper one?
Same price when I ordered both.

>>59414178
Will DDR3 and DDR4 work with any model if I have an older one?

>>59414199
>What do you do this for
kek

>>59414199
>What do you do this for? Genuine question.
Not him but I'd say to remove the chinknovo whitelist and unlock 1600MHz RAM.

>>59414199
>Same price when I ordered both.

Nice non-argument.

>>59414249
actually 1866

>>59414199
Can I install a IPS screen on a X230?

>>59414034
How? Can that be done in a T430 as well?

>>59414333
yes

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And so I've worn it thin. The L412 starts to fall from the abuse, shitting its pants like the first X220t. The X61t which has taken tumbles down multiple staircases still chugs happily though a duo2cuo just isn't enough. I think it's time to find another member of the family, probably a cheapie like a T420

>>59413720
It is driver related. The same thing happens in wangblows on other models too if the drivers decide to be fucky

>>59411962
that laptop is the same size as the w510 which I've had no problems with

>>59414708
blue board

>>59413875
I did it, i bought a T520 just now, came with a fresh battery, happy camper right here

Am I banned?

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mods are asleep

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>enter bios
>middle touchpad button does not work anymore and instead changes the pointer to this

I think I've fucked up

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T420 just came in. It's top comfy.

Thanks lads!

>>59416002
Heh, another guy who fell for the meme.

>>59416002
your whalecum.

where did you get it? how much? how's the fan speed/settings?

>>59408056
is it possible to swap out the t420s motherboard and put in a t430s one? they seem to have the same size and shape. The only difference is the one port at the back.

>>59416159
I'm actualy suprised how solid and well built it is. Totally not a meme.

>>59416163
Bought it from a classified ad site. Only paid 150 euro for it.

>>59416002
I'd get one of this to replace my x220t but the tn panel is holding me back. Really hate those color shifts.

>>59408056
Is there anything with a numpad for 200-250€(in france)?
Mostly for writing code with maybe a bit of indie game

The W series seems to have a numpad but I think they're a bit too big for what I'll use them.

>>59416002
This fucker must weight a ton.

>>59416669
>5 lbs is a ton

>>59416703
for a laptop it is

modern laptops are 2 lbs

>>59416656
>Is there anything with a numpad for 200-250€

A cheap dualcore Ideapad maybe.

>>59416742
gr8 b8 m8 i r8 it 8/8 and i aw8 more b8

I'm about to buy an used Thinkpad L440 from early 2015.
The owner wants €280, a little to much for my purpose.
I want a solid Notebook for my hobby shop that is not too slow. It will be treated badly in dirty conditions with gloves on.

- Type: 20AT004VGE
- CPU: i5 4210M 4.Generation
- RAM: 8gb
- Display: 14", 1600x900
- HDD: 500gb, 7200rpm
- Interfaces: VGA, 3x USB 2.0, 1x USB 3.0, Card Reader, Bluetooth 4.0, 3G/UMTS, WLAN, Webcam

Why shouldn't I?

>>59416794
>L
>solid

Getting a new battery soon. Can someone give me a basic gestalt on what I should do to maintain its life?

>>59417041
Use lelnovo power manager to keep it between 60-80 at all times.

>>59417101
I'm on Arch!

>>59416794
get an older w series w510 or w520. same price better specs

>>59417182
Find a way to do that then.

>>59410197
I had a roommate in first year university who had a Dell Precision M6500. It seemed like an extremely nice machine, superbly built, great keyboard and a massive, expansive screen that put the 1440x900 panel on my T410 to shame. It was, however, total overkill for most tasks and he ended up buying a netbook halfway through the year just because this thing was such a chore to carry around.

I don't know if they are still as good as they used to be, because keep in mind the M6500 is the same vintage as xx00 Thinkpads. And we know how far the latter have tumbled since then.

>>59414733
The Duo2Cuo in my T500 is still more than enough. Is there really that much of a difference between generations?

Can y'all advise me what notebook should I buy for emergency VisualStudio (mostly) usage?

>I don't do gayming so integrated gpu is fine.
>Max 14 inch
>256 SSD
>Decent keyboard
8
>gibibyte
of RAM
>light
>long battery life
>i guess some decent cpu, at least i5

Screen can be hd or fullhd, don't care, it's for emergency use when I don't have access to my desktop or have to go on a trip.

>>59417702
X220

>>59417771

Seems bulky.

I saw a Dell Latitude (7000 series I think) 14 inch today, is that good?

>>59417661
Low-voltage Merom hasn't aged nearly as well has full-voltage Penryn.

>>59417795
X series is the light series. Light and thin while still sturdy.

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>>59412280
It doesn't sound like any of those things.
Watched videos for hours looking for a drive that makes the same sound. Nothing.

This is the closest I found:
>>>/wsg/1591334
It's pretty close.

Also ran a self test on the drive.
pic related

I'm stumped... but I'm clearly not a guy who knows much about hardware.

How are T430 thinking about getting one for $260 cad

>>59417182
TLP

>>59417815
I have a P9500. Not even full voltage and it's still fine.

>Lenovo ThinkPad X120e Laptop AMD E-350 1.60GHz 4GB RAM 320GB HD Windows 7
>Refurnished
>80.00 dollars

Is this worth getting?

>>59418283
Spend a bit more and get an X220..

>>59416812
Some website said the newer (>2012) ones would be closer to the the Ts.
>>59417236
>get an older w series w510 or w520. same price better specs
I'll check that, thx.

Are tablet laptops worth getting? I thought about getting a bamboo tablet but I'm also looking for a laptop too, so would that be best?

>>59418098
To put it in perspective, the highest-end CPU option in the X61T isn't even better than the lowest-end option in the T61. Low-voltage CPUs wouldn't become halfway decent until Haswell.

>>59418338
How about this?

>Lenovo Thinkpad X220 12.5" Intel Core i5 2410M 2.3GHz 4GB RAM 500GB HDD 4287-2VU
>104.99
>Used

>>59418434
Much better

I ordered an x220 for programming and other school stuff for about 175 euros. I'm going to install the SSD from my old acer laptop that broke today after many years of desperately keeping it from falling apart.
What am I in for, /tpg/? Was it a good deal?

>>59417930

>over 900,000 load/unload cycle count

>It doesn't sound like any of those things.

kek ok. enjoy your sudden failure.

>>59418697
Yeah? Guess I'll grab another drive then.
Cheers, fag.

>>59414062
>>59414625
Yep, just have to patch the Lenovo EC flashing tool, also fixes the keymap if you decide to swap in a classic keyboard. It's all on the thinkwiki.

>>59408056
What's a good TP for about $200?

Also can a desktop CPU work on a TP?

>>59418487
get an msata ssd for it for a ssd + hdd setup

>>59419042
no but the processors are upgradeable

Scavenged this one today in a pile of old laptops.

Error: Maximum file size allowed is 4 MB

http://imgur.com/a/Bu5xB

>>59408056
Good think pad?

http://www.ebay.com/itm/like/122344519826?lpid=82&chn=ps&ul_ref=http%253A%252F%252Frover.ebay.com%252Frover%252F1%252F711-117182-37290-0%252F2%253Fmtid%253D1588%2526kwid%253D1%2526crlp%253D177782895069_324272%2526itemid%253D122344519826%2526targetid%253D284532633068%2526rpc%253D0.20%2526rpc_upld_id%253D111181%2526device%253Dm%2526mpre%253Dhttp%25253A%25252F%25252Fwww.ebay.com%25252Fulk%25252Fitm%25252Flike%25252F122344519826%25253Flpid%25253D82%252526chn%25253Dps%2526adtype%253Dpla%2526googleloc%253D9025241%2526poi%253D%2526campaignid%253D753747355%2526adgroupid%253D48029464708%2526rlsatarget%253Dpla-284532633068%2526gclid%253DCjwKEAjwzKPGBRCS55Oe46q9hCkSJAAMvVuMCLLgK_Hnb3lIriTvC1Dfu4uI5kUHPNP0H1_wkiUuzxoCcePw_wcB%2526srcrot%253D711-117182-37290-0%2526rvr_id%253D1183552615101&ul_noapp=true

>>59419539
The answer to that is in the OP, you turd

What's a good thinkpad for 1k?

price check
T530
b156w01 v.4 1080p screen
8GB of ram
samsung 850 evo 250gb
i7 3720qm
Great cosmetic condition

50 dollaridoo for a x100e or should i just save up for a x220?

>>59408056
I want more power and have a good display, what should I do?

X220t
good
>tablet
>battery life since upgraded battery
>portable
>can upgrade to i7 for more power

bad
>small screen
>thickness
>heavy

t420s
good
>larger screen
>higher resolution
>thinner
>can upgrade to i7 with nvidia, but expensive

bad
>need to replace motherboard since I broke it
>tn panel
>no larger battery option

I'm not sure what I should be doing to keep them. Or I should just get a t460 through EPP?

>>59417610
That's good to know. I ordered one similar to that model recently.

>>59421327
There's no good reason to "upgrade" to an i7 if they have an i5, sounds to me like you just looking for reasons to get a new laptop. If that's the case then go for it.

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Really stupid question:

How do I install Windows 7 on my laptop? I torrented it but don't know how to install, I don't wanna mess anything up.

Doing this on x220

I just got a thinkpad today so im new to this faggy club, give me a quick rundown on how i can make my new t410 into not a piece of shit, it has 4gb ddr3l, a hard disk drive, 1440 x 900 res and windows 7

what basic games will these run?

>>59421460
a new laptop is always at the back of my mind, but the real reason is I want a larger screen. That would be the t420s, but I'll need to get a new mobo. even then I'm not happy with the tn panel...
I'm just trying to come up with a solution. Getting a new laptop is the last choice.

>>59421327
>more power and good display
rev up that W520

don't be a compromising bitch, embrace the thicc

>>59421604
I have to carry a laptop with a camera all the time. I dont want to hurt my back, but if the w520 has ips panel...

>>59421753
Not IPS but it's wide gamut (90%~ ARGB) AND overclockable to 90hz.

hey egpu + tp dorks post what you got & how well it runs [dumb game you like]

exp gdc v8 expresscard, 750 ti, i5-2540m 8gb x220. overwatch runs a pretty solid 60 fps at medium on the internal screen (1366x768). also tried it on buds t420 (1600x900) and got 50 fps with the same gfx settings. panel can run at 50hz so it still looks fairly smooth with no screen tearing. better settings & framezzz on an external screen of course.

as for portability, an adapter & one of the smaller cards don't take much more space than a powered external hdd. just needs to be put in a project box or something to travel better & keep your loose pubes from getting caught in the fan motor

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dam thinkpad u sexy on the inside too

>>59408056
my Lenovo 11e (new from the Lenovo website) just arrived. I'm trying to connect the power cord to the ac adapter but it won't fit. I think I almost broke it trying to make it fit. However I'm a weakling so I'm not sure if it's me or the cable. I'm too afraid to call tech support to be told I'm a weak little bitch. Are these cables just hard to connect? Has anyone else had a similar problem here?

is T440p with i5 2.5, 500 gb for 150 a good price or bad?

Im new to buying used laptops.

I also see a listing Lenovo ThinkPad T440p - i7 4600m (2.9GHz) - 8GB Ram -128GB SSD 1920x1080HD for 400.

Are the upgraded parts worth it at this price?

>>59421807
so only t440, t540 or later has an ips display? that sucks...I really want to have ips display. Guess the only choice is to look for other laptop?

>>59421509
put the iso on a flash drive then boot from that

How bad is it to have two non-matching Ram sticks in a X61?
They're both 1 Gb but the speeds aren't matching, It's working and using both sticks.

Would it be wiser just to go with one?

>>59422519
The faster stick just clocks down to the slower one... If there are no issues I imagine it's fine.

>>59422546
Thanksfor the advice. I salvaged the slower Ram stick from an old broken toshiba buisness machine.

I tested it all with a Debian live boot, now I just have to wait for the HDD caddy and I'll have a real nice portable.
Bought it on ebaz as "used" but it's in pristine condotion. Pics when I have it fully installed and ready

i5 2520M (2.50 GHz) 4 GB Memory 320 GB HDD X220 for 227 seems a bit pricey, yeah?

Also should I be concerned about "used" listings on places like eBay or is it basically the same as refurb? Does it matter, honestly?

>>59422847
227 what?
What Machine?

Used is mainly alright, if you're concerned just write a message to the seller asking if there's something wrong with the machine.

>>59422873
Sorry it's an x220 for $227 USD. Posting from mobile so I forgot that while editing my post

>>59422917
You can do better. Lurk on ebay a bit and snatch a good deal when it presents itself.

Just a quick question

If I don't want to use the touchpad and fingerprint sensor can I just pull the plug on the palmrest? (X230)

>>59422968

You can just deactivate the touchpad in BIOS.

Where the FUCK is the second RAM-slot on the t420s, and why is there no info online

>>59422999
I know but the BIOS is proprietary software so it could, in theory, scan my fingerprint (or a section of my palm when I type) and send it to government agencies.

BTW are there any options for a touchpadless palmrest for the X230? 3rd party stuff would abe acceptable

>>59423017
Look up the service manuals. I belive the're even linked in the OP.
Otherwise just do some googling man

>>59423017
One under the hatch on the back and one slot under the keyboard

>>59423027
I have not been able to turn off my fingerprint sensor on my X220 in the BIOS, it says off but it's still on..
And no, you're stuck with the touchpad there I'm afraid

>>59423028
It doesn't say in the service manuals and Google literally only gives answers on the t420 standard.
>>59423081
It's not under the keyboard in t420s. It is on the t420, but is differently built

>>59415800
usually it's a setting in your os.
Are u running the botnet?

>>59423125
>It's not under the keyboard in t420s
Oh, sorry, looks like there's only one slot in the s model
https://download.lenovo.com/ibmdl/pub/pc/pccbbs/mobiles_pdf/t420s_t420si_hmm_en_0a60241_07.pdf

Hey anons in Ontario! I just noticed these last weekend at Canada Computers. They've got refurb T420's in stock in the Kitchener store. Literally tree-fiddy.

http://www.canadacomputers.com/product_info.php?item_id=087359

I really don't need another computer, but would one of these be worth it, /g/?

Hey guys, I opened my X240 to change the trackpad.
I was looking for the third M2 slot but couldn't find it, thinkwiki says there are three slots.
I saw the two on the top side of the mainboard, one with wifi and one was empty.
I turned it around and it was all covered in black tape but the surface was really flat so i figured there is no slot.
I am looking for the 16GB ssd which was already installed.

>>59422957
I would love to but unfortunately time is a concern. Should I just bite it and get it anyway? My max budget is under 300 so I wouldn't be too upset if I had to buy it outright. How often are new ones posted there?

>>59423389
That's not an amazing price, but it's ok. Bit pricy though, I would be going for one with an ssd at least.

>>59423262
Too much imo, esp with no ssd.

>>59423449
actually, looks like they went on sale, about 70 off. idk, if I had an extra 200 floating around I'd probably do it to have a dedicated linux laptop, but that money pretty much just went into a new exhaust on my shitty car.

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so atfer the wacom digitizer on my x220t went the way of the dodo i ordered a x230t and the x220t keyboard/palmrest.

i have already replace it and flashed the EC to acommodate the new keyboard and looks and feels just right, if anyone here is registered on the thinkwiki, please edit the article about using the classic keyboard and mark the patch for X230T as "tested and working"

after all this , still have a couple of questions tho

the bios must be flashed with a external flasher, so i have ordered a CH341A and a SOIC8 clip to do that. the thing is do i have to re-patch the hacked bios with the EC keyboard patch or the Hacked bios doesnt rewrite the EC patch?

and whats with the batteries on the x230t? i have tried to use one of the batteries of my x220t and it displays a "battery is not compatible, will not charge it" at boot even when its a genuine Lelnovo battery and they only offer one model of battery for both X220t and X230t

sorry for the wall'o text

>>59421509
Don't use the likely trojan application you got with the torrent, and check the checksums of the iso to make sure it's actually a legit one.

When you've done that make a bootable usb using Rufus.

>>59423479
Yeah I was looking at the sale price, still too much in my opinion.

>>59423434
Alrighty, thanks for all the help anon! I guess my search continues.

>>59423520
fair, I'm likely giving it a pass too. Yay rusty exhausts sucking up my money!

>>59410197
Latitudes are much lighter and just as tough.

Precisions are works of art.

>>59408056
Burned a fuse on my x220 while replacing my old screen to an IPS. No backlight now. Forgot to take out the battery. Where can I find fuses online?

Is t430 build quality good? It's basically 100% my ideal thinkpad, but the keyboard looks like babby's first keyboard macshit

>>59423769
You get used to it. I got one and it's pretty much perfect. Just make sure to get a new battery and even with the hdd is just fine.

also, invest in a 900p display if it's gonna be your main machine. I already got a desktop so I don't care.

>>59423769
you can use the T420 keyboard on it, its a simple as using a bit of tape and flashing the EC.

What business laptops have decent quality displays at 1600 x 900 or higher with good viewing angles?

Expected use is mainly beating off to anime.

>>59423957
x220 has an IPS screen as an option.

my t410's disc drive keeps opening randomly. this is independent of operating system and i can't figure out any trigger for it. Anyone have this problem?

>>59423957
>>59424039
yup a quick search give me this ebay listing
http://www.ebay.com/itm/Lenovo-ThinkPad-X220-Laptop-12-5-IPS-Core-i5-2540M-2-6GHz-4GB-128GB-SSD-WIN7-Pro-/361593712841?hash=item5430aa30c9:g:oHAAAOSwOVpXXZon

>>59424075
Palmrest is damaged, if the bottom of the case is damaegd too then replacing it will suck.

Only an i5, that's too expensive imo.

>>59424201
i thought that is cheap

>>59424223
Prices for listings without "ips" in the title are much lower, and many of them actually do have an IPS panel. Also you can generally find lower prices on local trading sites, the ebay prices are inflated.

>>59413726
Screw out the thing on the bottom and pop out the fucking ram shit by pushing the handle things to the side. Then get new ram and put the little connectors in place and shove it downwards. Look it up or something

>The x220/x230 don't have a secondary drive bay but HP's equivalents do
>The x220/x230 don't have socketted CPUs but HP's equivalents do

Why isn't the 2570p recommended more for the 12.5" class? It's even cheaper than them in America.

>>59410197
i have an m6600. its got an i7 and nvidia quadro 4000m. i bought it for uni but didnt realise how fuckhuge it was, so now i just use it for lan parties. the build quality is solid as fuck and the screen is pretty good. gaming performance in any games that matter are good and workstation performance is surprisingly decent for a laptop. also really easy to replace and fix things, im pretty sure i can upgrade/switch the gpu as well as the ram and ssd (there is two ssd slots). overall its fucking solid but its really meant to be kept on a desk

>>59423489
OSX on Thinkpad looks comfy

>>59424515
It's certainly a good contender and probably gets less attentions than it deserves, but really anyone who's seriously considering an X2*0 should be checking the buyer's guide for alternatives anyway. The 2570p is also a bit bulkier and heavier than the X counterparts - by the time you add the extra drive bay and socketted CPU you've basically got a 12" T series model.

>>59410197
clunky, cheap feeling, harder to work on, botnet

>>59424515
elitebooks also look sexier.

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Hey guys, about a year ago I got a t420 because of you guys. I put opensuse on it and it's been working great.

I've become interested in the idea of getting an x220 so that I don't have to carry more weight. I already don't bring my laptop to class because it's just too much weight in addition to my books. But I can't really justify spending more money when I already have a working laptop.

>wut do??!?!?!?

Also, I've become interested in the idea of a libre laptop and was wondering how close they were to getting libreboot on the x220 or if there was a company that sells cheap libre laptops.

>>59424944
the thickness and weight of a x220 is about the same. Maybe a bit less, but not to the point you will notice while carrying a bunch of books. Maybe an older x1 would be a better choice.

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>>59422236
Anyone? This is how it looks right now. The laptop is charging, but it doesn't look like it's completely in. Is this how it's supposed to look like? Am I helplessly retarded?

>>59424944
If you want cheap and super-light then just get a netbook.

>>59425008
If there's no obvious problems with pins inside the cable or socket then don't be afraid to give it some force, there's not much to break.

>>59425008
does it charge the laptop?

then it's connected.

Is installing Linux with just a wm worth on my x220? It's mostly for browsing / learning use.
Can we equal w7 battery life in any way ?

>>59420302
$330

>>59421515
>what basic games will these run?

Tux racer

>>59425168
i get like 3 hours something up a new genuine lenovo battery 6-cell on Archlinux with agressive TLP settings on my X220T

The X220 has an option for 9-cell battery so your actual mileage may vary

Is it possible to calibrate the colors on my T420 to make the screen look a bit more bearable? Running KDE.

>>59424515
No IPS option.

>>59425277
>i get like 3 hours something up a new genuine lenovo battery 6-cell on Archlinux with agressive TLP settings
wew lad

elitebooks>latitudes>thinkpads

would a t430s be able to run league of legends? I'm thinking of getting one and the only vidya I play anymore is league, so I wanted to know if it could handle it

>>59425991
even the X201 should be able to do it.


if the Intel HD 4000 can run Titanfall 2 im sure it can play that game just fine

>>59425991
Yes. I managed to play LoL on a T500. Ivy bridge GPU is pretty decent.

>>59425991
Just googling the HD 4000 a lot of people report it plays at full fps (at minimum settings probably)

>>59426251
>>59426269
>>59426279
awesome thanks. I looked into it and it can run civ 5 as well, so it's my dream machine.

>>59426294
come now. i remember a friend of mine who played that game on a fucking seprom and who knows what obsolete gpu from the early 2000s

>>59426310
I mean it can run it pretty well.
I have no doubts that basically anything could run these games, but I kinda like medium graphics and smooth fps

What thinkpad should I buy? I saw a t440p at $ 245, I like its backlit keyboard since I usually use my laptop at night. I was also thinking of an x201, x220 ir an T420, all three are at 188 dollars. Which one should I buy?

>>59426388
t420

I have been using an E450 for the past year for university, but the screen is killing me. I want to know if there are compatible models of screens that i can install. Preferably 1920x1080, and preferably an ips panel.

Through a few searches, I can guess that the LCD screen connectors are usually the same throughout the current models, so i assume i can put any "thinkpad" 14 inch screen in?

so I got this t420 and I literally never use the optical drive.

is there something on aliexpress that will fit there and add some new cool use?

>>59426662
A HDD caddy ofc

>>59426714
interesting.. thanks

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>>59426388
t420, w520 or x220. Holy trinity of good thinkpads.

Don't get a t440p, simply because the mouse buttons suck. Friend of mine has one. The whole touchpad clicks in almost like a key on a keyboard, registers left/right/middle depending on where it senses your touch. If you ever use middle click you will hate it. In fact if you don't use an external mouse you will hate it. Trackpoint is also unusable due to the same issue with the button.

>x220
small, light, portable, but 1366x768
ips screens available, official option no hacky shit required
no optical drive
imo the best thinkpad available today

>t420
slightly larger & heavier with an optical drive, but no ips option, I wouldn't get one unless it's cheaper than an x220 as that's a better machine.

>w520
more powerful, but heavy and bulky as a result. Wouldn't want to carry one around that much. Not worth it unless you need the extra grunt

And of course the speed of a machine depends on what model of cpu it actually has, x220 for example has i3's i5's and i7's available up to 2.8GHz. And whether it has an ssd.

>>59426714
Have one, it works great. Had zero issues.

>>59426754
>>59426784
too bad lelnovo dropped the ultrabay battery option
that shit was rad on my T60

>>59426777
>I wouldn't get one unless it's cheaper than an x220 as that's a better machine.

Nigger please, X220 runs hotter and louder than a T420.

The only reason to get a X220 is either

1)you need the bettery life on the road

2)you absolutely cant live without a ips screen.

>>59426388
Also you say you use stuff at night and like the backlit keyboard.

1. thinklight. Not a backlight, but a tiny led above the screen that shines down onto the keyboard, it works fine when it's too dark to see the keys ime.
2. lrn to touch type fgt

My company are getting computers. I might be able to get a thinkpad, finally. I'd like an X series so that commuting with it isn't such a huge pain.

What model should we settle for, though? We're obviously willing to pay more for performance, but if the X220 is the best there is...

Also, we'll definitely want SSDs, and maybe, maybe an ultrabay battery. There are modern computers with those, right?

>>59426874
Modern Thinkpads are not worth it, honestly.

>>59426874
If your company is getting a whole bunch, x220 would probably be a pain. Since the market for them is all used models and parts on ebay, it would be a pain for a corporation.

>>59426888
the P70 is a beast im honestly mirin at.

probably get one down the year.,

>>59426895
It's not. They're effectively only buying these for me.

>>59426851
>X220 runs hotter and louder than a T420
As long as it doesn't run too hot, then who cares? I honestly don't think I've even heard the fan on mine.

>The only reason to get a
t420 is either

1)you need the ultrabay

2)you NEED 1600x900 (only an option, not on all models) instead of 1366x768

>>59426901
Just don't come here to complain when it breaks.

>>59426907
Well, what do you need it for?

Programming? Visual Studio? Word docs? Email? Basic bitch browsing?

>>59426874
nah the last series with the Ultrabay battery was the X200

>>59426924
Development on linux, though the majority of my time will be spent on more basic bitch I-could-be-doing-this-on-a-raspberry-pi type of things.

>>59426926
x200 doesn't have an ultrabay though. You have to get the dock, which then has a bay in it. If it's in the dock, then you would have an ac adapter anyway.

>>59425277
well that's the curse of loonix. rid yourself of that hassle nigger. it's not worth it. install windows 7 and be happy forever.

>>59426388
If you want outright CPU performance, the T440p is in a good spot because you get a 4th gen i-series socketted CPU, instead of being stuck with a slower low-power one. The downsides include shitter build quality and less customisability than everything else you listed, as well as shit touchpad. The X201 is only worthwhile if you want the 16:10 screen and it's a fair bit cheaper. Otherwise just grab whatever from factor you prefer if you're not putting the CPU or GPU under overly heavy loads.

>>59426944
x220 would probably suit you fine then, linux support is great on them. If you want the best perf possible, look for one with the 2.8GHz i7, and get a good non official ssd (some of the x220's had ssd's, but they are from 2010 and are small and slow by modern standards {only 128gb}).

>>59426954
x201 wasn't 16:10 was it? I thought that they were all 1366x768?

>>59426959
Is there some specific form factor I should be looking for?

Also, I want to use this with a dock on linux, is that going to be a hassle or will it justwerk?

tell me about the 9470m

>>59426951
i barely get more than a extra 30 min on win7 anon

Should I buy a X260 and retire my X201?

Just how bad are the new keyboards compared to the old?

>>59426968
The X201 was 1280x800, and all of that generation was 16:10 as far as I'm aware. Everything newer than it is 16:9 though.

>>59426981
A new 6 cell should get you at least 5 hours on W7. You're doing something wrong.

>>59413658
hi niagra bro

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>>59426974
>form factor
I don't understand what you mean, x220 only comes in one size. There are tablet models too, they suck and cost more don't get one.

>dock
I actually have the pic related "ThinkPad Mini Dock Plus Series 3", I'm using it with Ubuntu 16.04 on my x220 and have zero issues. All the ports work when plugged in, seamlessly connect and disconnect usb devices, power and 2 monitors while the laptop is still running.

>>59426968
It was 16:10. They first introduced 16:9 with the 20 series

>>59426912
>As long as it doesn't run too hot, then who cares?
kek


>>59426912
>you NEED 1600x900

also when your eyes need a proper 14inch instead of that midgetpad.

and yes the ultrabay is seriously underrated, a msata ssd + sata ssd + ultrabay 1TB hentaistorage is a god tier combo.

>>59427002
>Should I buy a X260 and retire my X201?
You're getting more power and battery life in a thinner machine. The main downsides as far as I can see will just be the screen ratio and price. Up to you if the upgrade is worth the cost I guess, it'll depend on how you use it.

I wouldn't get too caught up on the keyboard, you won't notice the few differences in key layout once you've been using it for a while, especially if you rebind things. If you're worried about it you could always try and track down a store with new thinkpads out on display though it'll probably feel alien no matter what until you've put a few hours of use into it.

Is the T460 good? Is the linux support good?

>>59427015
SSD form factors. Is it 3.5inch?

>>59427198
All new Thinkpads are shit.

>>59427231
Completely wrong. They have become way better in the last few years. The re design was probably the best decision Lenovo has made with the line. Build quality is now finally on par with IBM.

>>59427198
2.5", and it's not a 9.5mm but 7mm. So check to make sure you are buying a slim 7mm ssd.

>>59427253
They have got better than they were right after the design changes started happening around 2011-2012. Wheather they have surpassed the pre 2011 design is debateable.

>>59425991
people still play that game?

i've got a thinkpad r40e for $15 bucks at a yard sale, it has a 2ghz celeron, a gig of ram and some ati graphics, i was thinking about playing a few old games on it, will it handle gta 3, diablo 2 and other games from 90s-early 2000s or are they too much for this little guy?

>>59426974
>Also, I want to use this with a dock on linux, is that going to be a hassle or will it justwerk?
It will just werk. The dock is a "dumb" device in that the ports are wired directly to your laptop's motherboard, replicating the already existing ports and adding additional ports if the laptop's hardware allows for it.
These docks are also called port replicators, which is slightly more descriptive of what they actually do. No drivers, just moving the ports.

>>59427494
You're the one with the laptop anon. Just try them and see for yourself what works.

What about Thinkpad S1 Yoga? Can I install arch? Have anyone tips and tricks?

I need some advice on pricing.
This is not the suggested model and it is old, but i won't compromise for a lesser screen.
My 4:3 15" T60 was stolen from my home (Third World problems).
How much should I expect to pay for another one on eBay? And for a T60p?
Another option would be an R60, the extra thickness allows the installation of a Blu-ray drive (or other stuff I'd like to try to hack inside the extra space). How much would one of these cost?

>>59427253
I won't mind buying one with UltraNav, hires screen, decent CPU and RAM for peanuts in a couple of years. Hell, I might order custom keycaps to some company to fix the keyboard layout. If I don't like the new keycaps I might go full retard and order replacements in the old style, costs be damned.

Why does Thinkpad have a nipple on the keyboard?

>>59428031
The T440p is already getting to a pretty reasonable pricepoint and can take a good CPU and screen. By the time you upgrade to a quad-core i7, a FHD screen, and a decent trackpad the price is a little less reasonable but not that different to what you can spend maxing out other models.

I'm kind of tempted to buy one though I don't really need it. Current prices on eBay:
>Base spec T440p - ~$220
>FHD screen - $70
>i7-4700MQ - $130
>T450 trackpad - $25

>>59426959
Tell me about it. I didn't want to spend some cash on a new SSD but the micron C400 is some slow shit. Maybe some day I will upgrade that crap, but I got a desktop to upgrade as well and very little money.

>>59427015
I have a mini dock 3, not that one specifically, a 4337. The X220 doesn't have compatibility issues, although USB ports are working silly and the thing wobbles so much it's not practical to type on it while it's docked.

Is there any sticker I can put on my thinkpad that makes it look like a laptop that no one would want to steal?

I know many... people in my area who would steal anything unless it belonged to a police officer or someone who knew how to screw their lives up.

>>59429637
What's up with your USB ports? Mine work ok with the dock. Agreed on the typing thing but really with the dock you should have external keyboard mouse and monitor. Otherwise what use does the dock have?

>>59429669
Get this
https://www.aliexpress.com/item//32653273690.html
They can't steal what they can't see.

Alternatively don't leave your valuables unattended.

>>59429669
Well, one of the advantages of the thinkpad is that to many people they look like ancient shit from the 90s that isn't worth any money.

>>59429733
You're right about the dock, but while I don't have 2 keyboards it'd be nice to use that one.

USB ports just seem not to give enough power. When I connect an USB drive on most of them, it will just connect, disconnect, connect again, like they're flimsy.

What I would love to have is some sort of switch, similar to KVM switches, where I can plug my USB keyboard and mouse and switch between desktop and laptop so I could use the same monitor, kb and mouse. My monitor only has HDMI and DP inputs.

>>59428832
It's a clit stick, not a nipple navigator.

>>59429837
Are you using the 90W adapter or is it only a 65W one?

>What I would love to have is some sort of switch
These exist, I literally have one in the mail to me now from china. There are electronic & mechanical ones, I went for mechanical because it seems like it would be more reliable, don't have to deal with driver software. Press button A and the usb device (keyboard with mouse plugged into it) is connected to computer A. Button B, computer B.
Switching monitors is more difficult because os's can react badly to monitors disconnecting. But since you have two inputs, why not just plug the dock into the second input? HDMI == DP == DVI, they are all electrically equivalent so you can just use passive adapters (with DP look for two little pluses next to the logo, this means passive adapter = ok). Then just switch on your monitor? Just plug it into whichever connection on your monitor you aren't currently using.

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>>59429837
>>59430111
Search for "usb mechanical switch box" and a bunch of them come up. Lot's for cheap on ebay. Get a mechanical one, the digital ones suck ass. Also they don't come with cables you have to buy your own usb A to B cables to actually connect em.

how do i disable "secure boot" on my t430?

im experiencing this issue and they say the fix is to disable it, but i cant find any option for it in bios?

https://kb.vmware.com/selfservice/microsites/search.do?language=en_US&cmd=displayKC&externalId=2103112

>>59408056
what are some good batteries that will work with a T61?

x200 or x60s for installing libreboot?

>>59413658
>thinkpad survives snowsnow
>postman doesn't

>reinstall Windows XP on a T60
>no drivers are installed (sound, wireless, etc)
>can't even use the ethernet port
Am I missing a disc or something? I can't find the drivers on Lenovo's main website.

>>59431861
http://pcsupport.lenovo.com/us/en/products/laptops-and-netbooks/thinkpad-t-series-laptops/thinkpad-t60/downloads

boy that was hard to find

>>59423251
>https://download.lenovo.com/ibmdl/pub/pc/pccbbs/mobiles_pdf/t420s_t420si_hmm_en_0a60241_07.pdf

That's fucking cancerous.

Why didn't anybody tell me?

Guys, I think I'm falling in love with the thinkpads, I don't own one though, but I'm ready to take the big step.

Just one question, would it be a good idea to build a battle station around a thinkpad, using a dock?

>>59432048
You can, don't expect gaming performance though. Some of the docks support 3 external monitors.

>>59432071
Yeah, I don't game, it would be nice to have a battle station in this house and at the same time the portability of a thinkpad, I think I'm gonna do it.

>>59432136
Actually you can game with Windows and an eGPU setup.

>>59432209
Sounds interesting.

>>59431987
Shit, I was looking in an entirely different section of the website. Thank you so much.

>>59432242
I did that for a while, if you get an expresscard egpu adapter it's pretty plug and play just like docking the laptop.

Which of these is better for all-around use from: T570, P70, T470, T457s/p, X270?
Where can I get decent ones or even new for a good price?

>>59432317
I mean the one with the best all round specs is the P70.

But you won't find those for a "good price" anywhere, and you probably won't see them discussed in this thread. Mostly focused on older models from a few years ago, before the build quality went straight to shit.

What do you need it for?

>>59432472
Work/programming, games, music and movies, in that order.

>>59432505
>games
don't buy a laptop.

If you really want a laptop though, why not purchase an older, cheap laptop, and a dedicated desktop? Would be way cheaper than the cost of those ones you mentioned, they cost shitloads. Like a $1000 new desktop and an old x220 or t420 for ~$300 wouldn't set you back nearly as much, and you get the best of both worlds. As long as gaming on the go isn't important to you.

>>59432576
I have a pretty good desktop. I'm moving abroad to work for 3 months and can't take my pc with me. Also for games I mostly play slow games, like strategies or rpgs, so there's no need for graphics.

>>59432626
Well, even modern strategy games and rpgs might struggle to run on the older thinkpad models. The general consensus is that the new ones just aren't worth the cost. The build quality isn't good, the specs aren't that good for the price, and they aren't as easily repairable/maintainable as the older models.

If you aren't running things that are too demanding, maybe a used w series like the w520? Or the t520? You can get decent prices on used models and the specs are ok (depending on the configuration, there is actually a lot of variation in specs within the same model, because of the options that Lenovo offer).
Check the buyers guide: http://ktgee.net/post/49423737148/thinkpad-guide

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>>59429669

>>59432626
>>59432784

>>59421808

>>59430111
motherfucker why did I not think of that.

>>59432896
does anyone/any place sell these? I can only find win7/10 stickers on ebay

>>59434708
I found ones for Windows 2000 server, best I could come up with
http://www.ebay.com/usr/webbyster?_trksid=p2047675.l2559

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T430 or x230?

>>59434708
http://www.vath.co/product_info.php?cPath=1_8&products_id=49

>>59435143
perfect, thanks

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>>59435143
>>59435234
..never mind

>>59435420
use a reshipper

Where can I find a good guide on building a frankenpad in english? The thinkwiki.de page run through google translate is barely understandable.

>>59421509
install your win7 iso, then KMSpico loader to activate it. Make sure to rtfm on the certain formats n shit that it supports

Is a W-500 off of Craigslist for $80 a good idea? They say it has a Duo 2.8 GHz. How does it compare to a T-61?

This would just be for an older lady with 0 computer skills to do a bunch of paperwork sort of stuff.

>>59410197
Used one for an FEA workshop. Fucking destroyed everything I threw at it. Hefty but gorgeous

>>59414759
Precisions are a more thicc lad

Smaller footprint though

>>59415293
yes

I'm thinking about buying a used thinkpad since I need a laptop for school and general laptop-things. I'm looking to buy one cheap, so around $200 is my budget. I like how lightweight the x series is, but the resolution could be an issue. Should I just try to find a T420 with a 1600x900 resolution?

Should I sell my trusty T410 and buy X220 instead? Will there be any performance or battery life difference?

>>59428933
>T440p is already getting to a pretty reasonable pricepoint


>look it up
>it's true
>look up a review
>pic related

wew lad I was living under a rock with my old memepads, is this considered high end business quality now?

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>>59437103
*forgot pic

>>59432002
Well, at least we both learnt something new..

new thread

>>boards.4chan.org/g/thread/59431580

>>boards.4chan.org/g/thread/59431580

>>boards.4chan.org/g/thread/59431580

>>boards.4chan.org/g/thread/59431580

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>>59437433