Amerikek

>>59372985
>america

mike pence is a fucking demon

Didn't they already do that?

>>59372985
If these could make us great again then I don't mind making the sacrifice

>>59372985
If you aren't using an offshore VPN you deserve it. I love heing subsidized by idiots.

land of the free

>>59373061
>VPN
>not Tor

>>59373153
>Tor
>Not completely owned by the NSA

>>59373153
Tor is funded by the DoD you idiot. It has backdoors built into it by design.

>>59372985
source?

>>59372985
And this is what happens when you want a "free market".
Got any questions?

>>59373319
Yeah, how would having these same government assholes regulating EVERYTHING directly help?

>>59373256
>>59373195
And yet no one can prove it. Really makes you think.

>>59373403
>everything must either be totally regulated by the government, or left unregulated like the wild west

You need to be over 18 to post here.

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>>59373287
Here you go fucko.
http://lmgtfy.com/?q=Congress+passes+law+to+allow+ISPs+to+sell+data

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>>59373319
>And this is what happens when you want a "free market".

How the fuck is this tied to the free market?

>>59373507
Because without some kind of regulation, they will keep colluding like this to fuck people over (and getting tax payer money for infrastructure upgrades, which they pocket instead) because there is no alternative.

>>59373507
Your information is valuable.
They're selling it it freely on the market.

>>59372985
>GOP

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>>59373528
>>59373531
I see your looking at the free maket's name and taking it at face value instead of researching what you are talking about.

>>59373534
Also this.

>>59373572
Is that not the argument he just made?

>be european
>get arrested for giving muslims boo boos on their feelings over the internet
>start another world war

>>59373585
Fuck, I thought he replied to my post. Full retard mode accidentally engage.

>>59373566
You dumb nigger that *is* the "free" market

Another butthurt liberal thread. How does this hurt you?

>>59373623
>how does giving monopolies free rein to ass rape you hurt you?

>>59372985

>boomers

I bet he doesn't even know how to use either one of those voip phones

>>59373656
How does this ass rape you?

>>59373623
Privacy isn't a left or right issue, but the issue itself was brought up by right wingers.

>How does this hurt you?
How does this not? Why would I want my ISP with my full details, address, credit card information and more to be selling my data to different advertisement agencies and potentially anyone else?

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>>59372985

>>59373487
>arstechnica
HAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHHAHHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAH

Fake news shit

>>59373623
>Another butthurt liberal thread.

Imagine the GOP shit storm if Obama was flirting with Putin half as much as Trump is.

>>59373662
>how is spying on you and selling that to the highest bidder not in your interest?

>>59373672
If you don't want this info spread, don't buy the service. Simple as that.
>>59373677
Your libera Russia memes do nothing

>>59373698
>If you don't want this info spread, don't buy the service. Simple as that.
Oh boy, here we go.

>>59373698
>If you don't want this info spread, don't buy the service. Simple as that.

>Don't buy a service that's pretty much a necessity at this point.

You know some municipalities require internet access to pay bills right?

>>59373674

Er...

No.

>>59373572
That's all well and nice but the GOP have been uncompromising children for over twenty years. Would be nice if their efforts helped the average American but instead they trip and fall on themselves to give yet another tax break or subsidy to wealthy interests while simultaneously saying that there's not enough money to fund infrastructure, healthcare, education, consumer protection, etc.

>>59373698
>If you don't want this info spread, don't buy the service.
Why should we allow them to sell consumer data in the first place? In these days, the internet is such a necessity that you simply cannot just "not buy the service" if all the service providers in your area sell your data.

>>59373755
/pol/ has infected his brain. Just ignore him.

/pol/ was so much better when it was /new/ and a stormfront outpost than whatever retardation has taken over there now.

>>59373698
>Your libera Russia memes do nothing

Nevermind more than one person has been forced to step down because they were caught lying about talking to russian officials.

>>59372985
ISPs have been selling data for yonks with your consent thanks to a clause in the contract.

Now they don't need that clause.

Wow. Everything is going to collapse!

Who cares that your operating system and every online service already collects and sells your data!?

>>59373698
>If you don't want this info spread, don't buy the service. Simple as that.

Yes of course, I'll just get high speed internet from some "other provider". Let's see whats in my area:

>Comcast: $50+/mo for their cheapest package
>DSL: 1-3mbps down $40/mo
>Satellite internet: LOL
>That is all

Boy I sure do love all this "choice" I have. Comcast totally doesn't have a monopolistic stranglehold or anything....

>>59373839
This legislation doesn't do anything to effect you then.

>>59373839
So you have choices, you're just a picking little cunt.

>>59373839

I'm sure thee's a couple of dial up options.

>>59373773
>>59373839
>>59373749
>>59373717
There are plenty of places where you can access free internet. Stop acting like millennials by pretending you need the internet to live.

>>59373855

I bet boomers were told the same thing about electricity

>>59373855
You mean the same public libraries you guys threaten to defund?

>Stop acting like millennials by pretending you need the internet to live.

Okay, wanting a decent internet line at home, so I don't need to go to the library everyday and needing to share a bloated network just so I can avoid having to buy internet from a provider who'll share my data to the billionaire next door makes me an entitled millennial?

I'd never thought I'd see the day when /g/ would defend breaches of privacy. This is disgusting.

>>59373849
>>59373839
I should say "change in legislation" FCC is removing their own regulation they had on ISPs that required them to get your consent to selling data

Guess what? Every single ISP already stipulated in the contract you sign that they will store and sell your data.

The FCC is trying to justify this by saying that ISPs are having trouble competing against services that freely sell all your data like Google and Facebook. It's obviously a bad move. The government should regulate companies from selling your data but the problem is THEY ALL DO IT. There's no fucking way a government official could propose laws to seriously regulate selling of users data without getting blackballed

>>59373899
If you need a new liberal safe space, try reddit

>>59373256
>>59373195
A lot of the leaked NSA slides talked about how much they hated Tor though, with the implication that it's hard for them to crack.

That was probably before they developed BULLRUN though, which apparently can let them crack encryption ("vast amounts of encrypted Internet data which have up till now been discarded are now exploitable") but that isn't sure, the only real leaked bit of info about it is how secretive it is, "there will be NO need to know"

>>59373912
Since you haven't provided an argument, I'm just gonna beg you to reconsider and actually take a moment to realize what's happening and think about why you shouldn't defend it.

>>59373855
The internet is defined as a human right by the United Nations

>>59373951
Over the past couple decades have you ever once written to your local congressman and argued for regulations to be placed on the rampant data collection by online services, ISPs, Operating Systems, etc...?

>>59373776
/pol/ now is just /b/ with flags, country roleplaying and a obssesion with niggers, mudslimes, spics, blackeddotcom and racemixing.

Worst board of this site.

>>59373977
Nice moral high ground faggot, doesn't stop people caring about their privacy though

>>59373977
Not him but
>Implying boomers know fuck all about technology
>Implying they arent crooked pieces of sub-human amphibian shit

>>59373977
Actually, yes, I have. In dire times like SOPA and PIPA, I wrote to literally anyone who represented my state to protest those specific acts but I commented about digital privacy rights in general.

>Republicunts

every time

>>59373592
> Implying there isn't thousands of terrorists in the US ready to launch some fireworks
Cletus pls

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>>59374023

>>59374035
It's the both parties are the same meme

>>59374043
Go to bed gramps

back to /pol/ with ye all. the faggot calling people liberals. the faggot calling people republican. fuck off all of you, privacy is not a left vs right thing, end the political shitflinging itt and discuss the actual issue

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>>59372985
Secure messaging:
Conversations - Android
Gajim +omemo plugin - Linux (windows?)
PGP over email or XMPP

/g/ xmpp muc
[email protected]


Other things:
HTTPS Everywhere
Ublock Origin
I2P

OS:
Any linux distro is infintely better than windows or mac.

Encryption:
dm-crypt FDE - Linux
Veracrypt - WIndows Linux Mac?

File sharing:
Piratebox - Offline sharing
Transmission BT(Require encryption)

>>59373977

>It's the constituents' fault for allowing this to happen, not the representative elected to serve the best interests of the people

>>59373839

Comcast: Possibility of having streaming and file sharing services arbitrarily throttled. You get cease and desist notices if you even think about downloading a torrent client. At least cable is somewhat reliable. $1000 install fee for fiber with a 1 TB monthly cap.

DSL: 2 feet too far away from the dslam to get reliable service, have to purchase equipment and pay an extra $20/mo for the phone line

Meanwhile people in fucking Romania have $10/mo Gigabit FTTH with no caps. Capitalism is fucking awesome.

>>59372985

More FAKE NEWS

They tried to put in some restrictions on your ISP collecting your browsing data, but why?

Google, Facebook, etc already do this, on way bigger scale. Why doesn't the FAKE NEWS report this?

Your ISP can't even collect your info if you're browsing SSL, Google can.

So if you want ISP's to stop collecting your data, or report who they're selling it to, then make Google and all other data cllecting companies do the same.

>>59374326
But most people on /g/ would want that, /pol/tard.

>>59374326
>It's wrong, b-but they're doing it too!

Back to >>>/pol/, retard

>>59374326
I dont see how you can spin this positive. the US military is invading syria and oh btw i just nationalized your financial status, your medical history, your sexual orientation, and even your religious and political beliefs. oh and the nation is the Russia federation. how is this making American great again?

>>59374405
>>59374505

>i like it when google and facebook rape me in the ass

>>59374505
That's rebbid. You can tell by the weird formatting thats how they do it..

>>59374519
>yeah, so let the ISPs join the party!

That's how retarded you sound

>>59373020
But now will be legal.

>>59374519
I don't use either of those services, friend. And like I just told you, I am willing to bet that the vast majority of people on /g/ are against all forms of data collections. At the ISP level and by Google.

>>59372985
no source no link, good bye.

>>59374542

It's always been legal, Google has been doing it for 20+ years.

>>59374548

>I don't use either of those services, friend.

And yet you're still being spied on by Google and Facebook. Why don't the libtard politicians make a law banning all data collection?

>>59374505
It's the go to retort for Trump supporters. They're still using the "well Hillary would have been worse!" defense as well.

>beg for big government and corporations to fuck you in the ass, then call everyone who opposes it a "cuck" and be blind to the irony of it

>>59374571
>And yet you're still being spied on by Google and Facebook
Doubtful since the only Google script I allow is captchas on 4chan.
>Why don't the libtard politicians make a law banning all data collection?
That would be nice and hopefully it comes, but let's not add to the retardation by allowing ISPs to do it too.

>>59374548
I dont value my data I think any entrepreneur that can feed his family with money made off of information gleaned from my usually nasty google searches and occasional SO searches then bravo to him.

>They're spying on your various 'how to fizzbuzz in JS', 'milf blindfold titfuck tube' queries
What a marvelous time to be alive.

>>59374571
>It's always been legal, Google has been doing it for 20+ years.
google isn't an ISP

The FCC regulation was specifically ISP's

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>>59373674
>>59374326

>>59374243
The world isn't some simple system where everything that happens is either good or bad.

Whether government will admit it or not, the FCC is trying to stop Google and Facebook from getting even larger. If they give ISPs more reign it will prevent Google or Facebook from taking over another important service in modern society and thus moving towards a monopoly. This is a legitimate threat.

The people who use the services that sell user data are to blame. You can't use microsoft and apple products and Google and Facebook yet turn around and condemn companies for lobbying to do what you've proven you don't mind.

The problem lies in the consumer. That's the inherent problem with freedom.

>>59374326
You do realize you're on /g/, right?
This entire board has been campaigning for what you just said since the beginning of time and literally all tech publications have been reporting on it since.

>reddit formatting
Please go back to /r/the_donald. Even /pol/ would be too intelligent for you.

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this literally happened right now. they're literally giving away email addresses

>>59374652
>The problem lies in the consumer. That's the inherent problem with freedom.
its because the users have no ability to switch to things that don't collect their information. The parts where the companies admit they're taking and selling your information is embedded into excessively lengthy EULA's that no one has time or the lawyer language ability to read.

>>59373439
Numerous posts about how it's compromised based on controlling many of the nodes. Also literally started as a government program. Do you even read?

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>>59372985
What's on her mind, /g/?

>>59374652
No, the problem is that there is an asymmetry of information, and consumers do not behave like theoretical perfect consumers do

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>>59374004
I wish /g/ had os flags. I bet you'd be OSX or Windows. Probably OSX.

>>59373056
Good goy

>>59374667
>This entire board has been campaigning for what you just said since the beginning of time and literally all tech publications have been reporting on it since.

No they haven't. There;s literally 0 legislation being passed that prevented Google and Facebook from collecting data, or revealing who they are selling the data to. ZERO.

Show me these SJW sites like Ars, Verge, etc calling for such legislation. Go ahead faggot.

>>59373439
you keep saying that in threads where people provide actual evidence

there are papers and stuff written about tor's weaknesses

>>59374652
you have a choice to use google or not

you don't have a choice with ISP

>>59374703
It was developed by the Navy, not a branch of the intelligence services. There are zero recorded cases of anybody being proecuted based on Tor being hacked. It's always an opsec failure or Firefox exploit.

>>59374761
Technology news sites don't advocate for privacy?

>Ars
https://arstechnica.com/business/2014/01/what-google-can-really-do-with-nest-or-really-nests-data/

>Verge
http://www.theverge.com/2016/11/25/13746042/uk-surveillance-bill-private-browsing-online

>Wired
https://www.wired.com/video/2016/11/worried-about-your-privacy-now-here-s-how-to-protect-it/

>>59374692
>Consumers can't be bothered and are too stupid to read
>No, consumers aren't the problem!
Freedom is the problem.

A fascist government is the only solution. It must exist to control organisations and what deals they organise with their consumers.

>>59374794
>you have a choice to use google or not

Except I don't have the a choice to not be spied on by Google.

Google analytics, cookies, etc. There's no way to escape the Google botnet.

If I don't want to be spied on by my ISP, I can always just use SSL only sites, or use a VPN.

>>59374854
>There's no way to escape the Google botnet.
Sure there is. Stop browsing the web.

You can live without browsing the internet.

>>59374854
You can easily stop Google's tracking. It's simple as installing extensions like uMatrix or NoScript.

>>59374881
Living without the internet is very hard in today's society.

>>59374835
No this is a flawed logic. You're blaming a consumer population that simply cannot protect themselves against the oppression of a corporate society that wants to feed off them. The government body passes legislation to stop corporate entities from abusing and doing ammoral things

a fascist society would not stop this. Blaming the victim isn't an answer and doesn't identify a cure for it either

>>59374835
>company writes a EULA in a convoluted way that is difficult for an average consumer to understand let alone comprehend.
>hurr the consumer is stupid its their fault they get fucked

No, unless you're a lawyer there is no reading through Apple's 55 page EULA for Itunes

>>59374826

How many of those sites are calling for legislation to ban the spying? None. How many of those sites are asking for laws to be passed forcing Google to reveal what data they are collecting on us and who they are selling it to? None. Yet it's somehow a problem when ISP's do this. LOL gtfo Libtards have no consistency.

>>59372985
We all are forced to give the isp permission to sell our data when we sign up, unless i pay 50 extra dollars for them not to sell it. You leftists cucks are aeriously retarded and freak out over headlines when you dont understand the issue

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>>59374955
>LOL gtfo Libtards have no consistency
I'm not gonna do this anymore. Enough with the gaslighting. You want your data? It's a single search away.

>>59374996
>pay 50 dollars to not have your data sold
sauce?

>>59373009
He is in really good shape. Do you think he works out?

>>59374931
Consumers feed companies that grow into monopolies that continue to restrict user rights as they aren't government entities and bound by anything but capatilistic interests.

1. This is consumers fault. Your logic is faulty.
2. Economic fascism involves the government stepping in to severely regulate corporations from working against the people's interests and subsidizing those who benefit the public.

>>59374946
>Use shitty product that destroys your freedom
>Government protect me!
>It's not my fault!

>>59375053
>>59375053
http://gizmodo.com/comcast-thinks-its-totally-chill-to-charge-for-privacy-1784780061

Looked for one that said the exact price and gave up. Appearebtly att does this too. Obama never stopped anyone from selling your data. All he did was make them say that they are selling your data. Another failed policy by chimpo

>>59374930
>Living without the internet is very hard in today's society.
So just filter all connections to Google and Facebook and Twitter and the ad networks and stuff, done deal.

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>>59372985
>implying this is something bad

>>59374043
>its the good goyim havent realized its all the Jews yet meme

>>59375207
Fascism =! Regulation

>>59373531
>>59373528
>>59373621


In an ideal free market society nothing owned by someone can be turned into commodity without their permission. The action of turning someone's property into a commodity without their concent is practive of collectivist (socialism, national socialism, communism and etc) and aristocratic/oligarchic society's thing not free market's.

>>59372985
Didn't they alreadly do that for ages?

>>59375516
>Implying it's not

Fucking CIA nigger.

>>59373899
>I'd never thought I'd see the day when /g/ would defend breaches of privacy.

Trump cucks will convince themselves of anything to defend Trump.

>>59372985
M A G A
A
G
A

HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAH

>>59373899
>I'd never thought I'd see the day when /g/ would defend breaches of privacy
Retarded people will always exist in this world. The problem is that they're too retarded to realize how retarded they are.

>>59376423
>CIA
This is about commercial selling of your private browsing data WITHOUT PERMISSION!

>>59373056
>If these could
>make us great again

Holy fuck.

That's exactly why we have policy debate BEFORE elections. You don't just vote someone in and hope they will implement policies that make your country good. Too bad that is exactly what you fuckers did.

And for reference, no, this will not make your country great. It will only increase the leverage ISPs have over their customers. Enjoy your government supported monopoly, americucks. Land of the free(to screw unwitting customers over for maximum profit).

>>59374123
>Gajim +omemo plugin
What is this meme?

>>59373153

There are a lot of sensible things that you can't do on Tor because the exit node will middle man you and steal all your personal info and identity. You are a retard and didn't read the site if you didn't know this. That's literally like the one thing that you can't use Tor for.

This thread hurts my soul.

I really can't wait for the next super power to emerge.

We are circling the drain fast.

>>59373899
>I'd never thought I'd see the day when /g/ would defend breaches of privacy. This is disgusting.
Don't be shocked by the stupid, the intelligent are too busy to be vocal.

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Don't call it a grave. It's the future you chose.

Trump was a mistake.

>>59376423
>muh private cp collection
Nice try pedo, everybody will know.

>>59372985
>He will make murica great again
>Bending to the kikes with anus wide open

>>59374043
>One party wanted to enforce regulation
>the other wanted to deregulation

They are totally the same thing.

>>59380651
One party wants to enforce regulation that'll fuck you over, and the other wants regulation removed so they can fuck you over.

With a government not representative of the people, everyone loses.

>>59380667
>One party wants to enforce regulation that'll fuck you over
Because enforcing food regulation fucked me over as customer.

>the other wants regulation removed so they can fuck you over.
I don't remember both sponsor repealing the endangered species act.

Stop this intellectually dishonest meme. Horseshoe Theory is a retarded theory.

>>59374123
>any Linux distro is infinitely better than Windows or Mac

Mac is a Linux distro.

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>>59374719
my cock

>>59374881
How about you go into a forest and live a hermit life off the land?
You can live without the internet. You can live without electricity. You can live without central water-supply, too.

FUCK DRUMPF AND FUCK WHITE PEOPKE

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>>59381006
>Because enforcing food regulation fucked me over as customer.
Monsanto, GMOs, Beef and corn being subsidized vs healthier foods
>I don't remember both sponsor repealing the endangered species act.
What is good PR for the news, goy?
>Stop this intellectually dishonest meme. >Horseshoe Theory is a retarded theory.
You're intellectually dishonest with yourself if you keep your head buried in the sand like that.

I wanted hillary to win, so people would see what a cunt she was and everything blew up

Instead we get this blonde old fagwaffle, people are going to keep bitching and bitching for 4 years straight.

>>59378859
Criminally underrated.

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>>59374035
sorry guys, here's the unedited version

>>59374571
Google isn't your ISP unless you are one of the few people who have Google Fiber.

Even then, Google wasn't allowed to sell information gathered through its Google Fiber business.

>>59372985
>no red phone
>>>/trash/

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>>59382748
>the /pol/ jew meme
stop

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>>59373009
TAKE THAT BACK

>>59382988
>lets show that white skin is superior by growing man tits, uneven facial hair and tattooing every part of our body to the point where Hitler would consider us degenerates

>>59378802
Better start brushing up on your Mandarin

>>59382988
Skinheads are degenerates and not truly white.

>>59373975
no one gives a shit about that. every fucking country on this planet has a shitton of laws that wouldn't be legal under the UNs declaration of human rights.
+ i can't find any article there stating that the internet is a human right

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>net neutrality passed
>nothing changes
>net neutrality repealed
Oh i would what will happen....

You could voted the other way and prevented this.

>>59373855
>Stop acting like millennials by pretending you need the internet to live.
No one needs the internet to live but pretending like the internet somehow isn't important is stupid as shit. It's a huge source of information and education plus it's basically the main source of most innovation and technology these days. Trump's own campaign was spread primarily through the internet. The internet is extremely important if America wants to remain competitive on the worldwide stage

>>59383105

Normie white boy never done time in Texas...

>>59384469
Do they just feed the inmates boiled meat fat in Texas? I'm pretty sure they'd at least have somewhere to exercise.

>>59384495

>Implying he didn't eat his cell mate and his meals

You don't get old in prison with out earning a few favors.

>>59384353
Nope.

https://www.eff.org/deeplinks/2017/01/obama-expands-surveillance-powers-his-way-out

>>59384538
Executive order not legislation. It can be revoked by legislation through congress or by the supreme court if they decide it doesn't mesh with current laws. There was more up for election than the presidency.

>a trump image
>senate news

>>>muh fake news
>https://apps.fcc.gov/edocs_public/attachmatch/FCC-16-148A1.pdf

>>59384590
Both parties support the surveillance. But one is by CIA and another by FBI.

>>59384747
>But one is by CIA and another by FBI.

Well, which cock is smaller, then?

>>59384818
Both can buy new toy with your taxes.

>>59384818
The cia really does nothing but waste money and fuck shit up in foreign countries. The fbi actually does demostic tasks that are useful.

T-Thanks Trump

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>>59373009

>>59384469
Prison is where all the degenerates rot. Prison gangs are some of the biggest degenerates and it's laughable some of them even call themselves nazis because hitler would be disgusted with them.

>>59386013
hitler was a degenerate too

>>59386050
No he wasn't.

>>59372985
On the plus side google may reenter the is buis Ness and lay a bunch of fiber.

On the negative side the government no longer needs secret warents, they just need to open their checkbooks.

>>59373656
This wI'll open up new revenue streams which will encourage new players to enter the market.

>>59386087
He wasn't normalfag, so...

>>59386588
i'm sure it will

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