Alternative CPU Manufacturers

I solder my own CPUs fuck Intel and fuck AMD

>>59367144
how?

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>>59366719
>not being like Ahmed and soldering CPUs yourself

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vortex86

>>59366719
IBM makes POWER CPU's though they're targeted towards workstation/mainframe-type workloads. Qualcomm was making some noise about an ARM server processor.

Of course, there's also the companies like NXP, Cypress, TI, and Microchip that make embedded ARM CPU's and microcontrollers.

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>>59367163

>>59366719
>no architectures other than x86

Nice try shill.

>Qualcomm
>IBM SPARC
>Mediatek
>loads of MIPS

>>59367245
>>IBM SPARC

Do you mean IBM POWER?

>>59367263

Yes, sorry.

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>tfw too smart to buy computer hardware and make my own hardware made out of deep space iridium metal and biological material from faraway galaxies
>smarter then thousands of computer engineers and phd physicists controlled by CIA niggers
>worked with terry davis to make the best cpu
>1000 cores 1000 threads running at 100terrahertz
>still cant run gta 4 in 60 fps

>>59366719
I use to buy their boards from Newegg and Amazon. I dont know if they still sell them. Its good if you are just going to do one thing with them. I used them just to remote desktop into other computers and access CCTV video.

>>59367419
Just put it into a black box and put Sony/Microsoft logo and will work just fine.

>>59367419
>tfw playing GTA IV at 40fps on Intel HD Graphics™
This meme is dead m8

I'm still running an i5-3570k @ 4.3 Gigablerps

Is there any reason whatsoever for me to consider an upgrade?

[spoiler]/v/ poster

>>59367167
The fuck's that?

>>59367863
Looks like an alternative to reballing

>>59366719
I thought VIA was dead long time ago.

>>59366719
There is no alternative for a fully functional desktop system.

>>59367167
Wait a minute

What if those leads touch?

>>59366719
>It looks like you can't really buy their stuff anywhere though.

Here ya go buddie, have fun:

a dot co slash cUx2JaX

>>59368739
Looks like magnet wire should be fine.

>>59368739

they're most likely coated.

>>59367552
>6 years ago played it just fine
>now avg fps is 20
the meme is you

Does VIA still have their x86 license?

>>59366719
>Are there alternatives to amd/intel?
Sorry m8, there isn't even an alternative to intel at this point.
ayymd has failed once again to deliver a usable, decently priced product that can rival what intel is putting out.

>>59368888
Install the patches, faggot.

>>59366719
There's literally a dozen single board computer manufacturers, all ARM though. There's other architectures that companies make for workstations, but it'd be hard to find a modern, general purpose one.

If you're okay with a 16 bit CPU,
http://github.com/marmolejo/zet
is an open source implementation of the x86 architecture you can use on an FPGA. It runs Windows 3.0, which is pretty legit.

>>59368943
tried it vanilla, 1.0.4.0, 1.0.7.0 and its same shit - 800x600 low and 1080p high are literally same performance vise. It is THE worst port in the history of the mankind

>>59369011
Maybe your build is just shit or you are doing something wrong. Post Speccy

>>59368919
yep, they just made some quad cores

>>59368888
>>59369011
Please don't tell me you fell for Ryzen

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>>59369053
Really? Wow, I thought theirs had expired some time ago, with Intel only allowing it to be renewed over their dead body. It's kind of strange how something so valuable ended in their hands and written such that if they ever went under or got bought it would disappear. I'm sure Samsung/Qualcomm would have loved to purchased them if it were transferable.

>>59369041
i5 4690k and 960

>>59369106
nope, r* just didnt give a fuck back then

>>59369169
You are really running at 20fps? Windows 10?

>>59369221
win 7

Lost 5 hours changing different patches, graphics, mods, ini files and finally said fuck it and uninstalled.

5 years ago ran it just fine with phenom II 550 and 4850. I don't get it either but whatever.

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>>59368888
>>59369280
You are really doing something wrong. This is what I get with a Celeron G1820 + 4GB. Everything is on Medium but textures, these I set to High.

>>59369386
kek, the CPU is bottlenecking the iGPU

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>>59367163
drag soldering.

>>59369432
wow
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5uiroWBkdFY

>>59369386
Does your setup play GTA 5 any better?

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>>59366719
I am really disappointed with /g/ for not showing this bad boy.

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>>59369640
It probably would if I had more ram

>>59366719
I've had the displeasure of using a modern via processor system. It's horrible.

Your average orange-pi is a better experience. The only thing the VIAs have over the cheap ARM systems right now, is that you can install a real GPU on the sorry box.

There are some places trying to bring true open source hardware into reality (see https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Open-source_computing_hardware ), but pretty much you'll be stuck with x86, ARM, and if you're lucky, maybe you'll find a MIPS system or two still made.

>>59369743
>tfw RISC-V is the future

>>59369830
Don't tease me. A man can dream.

Idk how the whole x86 licensing shit works. If a company bought VIA, would they be able to retain the x86 license and make x86 processors? I've heard people discussing the legality of someone buying AMD and keeping the x86 license back when they weren't doing so good, so that's why I'm curious.

If the x86 license could be transferable, I'm surprised a company like Apple hasn't bought VIA to make processors for their own computers. Apple already makes ARM based SoCs, so it wouldn't be out of the range of possibility that they buy VIA for their x86 license, then make their own (obviously better than what VIA currently shits out) processors so that MacOS is still compatible with all its software, while making it way harder to hackintosh.

Before I trigger the Apple hate orgy, I'm not saying Apple *should* do that, I'm just saying it seems like something they would do. Personally, if the x86 license is transferable, I'd hope that another company like Samsung buys VIA and makes competitive x86 processors for consumers.

>>59367245
>Qualcomm
Not an architecture.
>IBM SPARC
The fuck? Maybe you meant IBM's POWER or Sun's SPARC.
>Mediatek
Still not an architecture.
>loads of MIPS
The last consumer product that used MIPS was (afaik) the N64 and maybe some shitty routers.

>>59370113
The PSP used MIPS iirc

>>59370156
Oh yeah, forgot all about that. Also, why the fuck did Sony use MIPS.

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>>59366719
Various shitty VIA boards
Various ARM SBCs
The MIPS creator boards
PowerPC Macs
Sun Blade 1500s and 2500s (ultra 25/45s are virtually the same shit but thousands of dollars more)

Those are your best bets for at least semi-usable non-Intel/AMD systems these days. The options aren't really great.

>>59369888
>I'm surprised a company like Apple hasn't bought VIA to make processors for their own computers.
Tons of extra overhead for not a ton of gain. It's easier to let another company handle that dirty work for you.
There's a lot of work already done for them in the case of their ARM designs, you couldn't necessarily say the same of in-house x86 designs.

>>59370113
>The last consumer product that used MIPS was (afaik) the N64 and maybe some shitty routers.
There's always SGI workstations, but they're still very expensive if you want a good one.

Pentium II compatible CPU from third party would be possible now without any valid patent.

>>59370113
>maybe some shitty routers.
A lot of high end networking equipment uses MIPS still. Some of the smaller consumer routers do, even some not shitty ones, because there are companies who make MIPS SoCs that include wifi & ethernet. There's no clear advantage of disadvantage to them.

>>59366719
https://www.crowdsupply.com/raptor-computing-systems/talos-secure-workstation
They tried to fund it.

But nobody came.

>>59370769
Yeah, because it was expensive as fuck and was targeted primarily at a demographic that can barely stomach a few hundred dollars let alone five figures for a single system.

>>59367206
>arm meme
let it fucking die already
you faggots keep claiming massive gains but it's really all the same over heating piece of shit each year

>>59369888
AMD's specific license does not transfer because of the conditions of their cross-licensing agreement with Intel. VIA got a license by acquiring Cyrix and Centaur Technology so I assume their license is somewhat different.

>>59366719
There are so many PPC CPUs on the market now that could go into a little SBC computer. Also MIPS and 68K CPUs are dirt cheap too.

I've had just about enough of Intel's shit here.

>>59368739
it's litz wire

>>59370197
Easier PS1 ports and probably knowledge

>>59371317
Thanks.

>>59368941
Zen's killing Intel, I don't know what fucking universe you're in kiddo.

>>59369676
very little is known about it over here actually

>>59370113
>consumer product that used MIPS
MIPS chips are quite common in a bunch of embedded applications.

>>59366719
http://www.mellanox.com/related-docs/prod_multi_core/PB_TILE-Gx72.pdf
CIA uses it, found this through Vault7

>>59366719
There is also Vortex86 which is even more fringe, not even i686 compatible. But they started to produce dualcores heh.

Pretty alternative, even more than anything VIA. 1 GHz dualcore version of Rise mP6 in SoC chip.

>not building your own CPU, 100% botnet free
http://www.mycpu.eu/

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What is Via even doing with their chips? They don't seem to have an actual goal that hasn't already been met by amd/intel.

>>59373753
Embedded shit. You won't see them outside of that area

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There was the Transmeta Crusoe

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Transmeta_Crusoe
>Crusoe was notable for its method of achieving x86 compatibility. Instead of the instruction set architecture being implemented in hardware, or translated by specialized hardware, the Crusoe runs a software abstraction layer, or a virtual machine, known as the Code Morphing Software (CMS). The CMS translates machine code instructions received from programs into native instructions for the microprocessor. In this way, the Crusoe can emulate other instruction set architectures (ISAs).

You can still find the odd laptop floating around on eBay, no idea what the performance was like, or though it completed against the PIII and Athlon. Although it can't have been that great considering they only made one generation of the things.

>>59366719

Motorola 68000

>>59373798
They used to make netbook CPUs.
>tfw I almost bought a netbook with a VIA processor when I was a tech illiterate and I didn't realize the significance of it until now
I wish I did and kept it just to be a hipster.

>>59373798
Nigger VIA still sells brand new desktops and all in ones.

>>59370113
>The last consumer product that used MIPS was (afaik) the N64
I think you mean PS2 and PSP friendo

can't be certain nothing I own doesn't have a pic32 mcu tho

>>59370197
ARM hadn't won yet

>>59374414
There are some Imagination Tech MIPS tablets on the market, though they're pretty obscure now since they never sold well.
The MIPS Warrior core had a lot of promise.

>>59366719
Poor Cyrix, it deserved better than being sucked into VIA,

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>>59373816
Russian's have a similar CPU

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Elbrus-8S
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Elbrus_2000

>The Elbrus 2000, E2K (Russian: Эльбpyc 2000) is a Russian 512-bit wide VLIW microprocessor developed by Moscow Center of SPARC Technologies (MCST) and fabricated by TSMC.

>It supports two instruction set architecture (ISA):

> Elbrus VLIW
> Intel x86 (a complete, system-level implementation with a software dynamic binary translation virtual machine, similar to Transmeta Crusoe)

>>59374515
Notebook looks very military, do they do any home use computers?

>>59374560
No idea

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PUNJ_tkq2hk
but it can run doom 3 at 1080p!

>>59374266
>SBC
>"desktop"

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>>59374668
>try to correct someone who knows more than you
>make an ass of yourself because you're nothing but a clueless dumb shit kid

Why do you even post here?
VIA has a close partnership with a Chinese company, they're essentially the official vendor of VIA computers. They sell desktops and all in one systems, exactly as I said.

>>59373816
They made two generations, the Crusoe and the Efficion. I have a Crusoe laptop, performance is OK.

>>59373816
I think this is not very different from how modern x86 processors in general work really. The processor has its own ISA and x86 instructions are broken down and converted into those instructions.

>>59374607
>but it can run doom 3 at 1080p!
>14fps
No it can't.

>>59374908
The instructions are broken down through hardware interpreters, though..?

>>59366719
I just want an ARM board that lets me install any distro without requiring special snowflake builds.

Why is that so hard?

Also, archs like Sparc and PowerPC aren't even trying anymore. No dev boards from them.

>>59376070
>Also, archs like Sparc and PowerPC aren't even trying anymore. No dev boards from them.
Yeah, because there are real systems you can buy instead.

>>59373816
>>Crusoe was notable for its method of achieving x86 compatibility. Instead of the instruction set architecture being implemented in hardware, or translated by specialized hardware, the Crusoe runs a software abstraction layer, or a virtual machine, known as the Code Morphing Software (CMS). The CMS translates machine code instructions received from programs into native instructions for the microprocessor. In this way, the Crusoe can emulate other instruction set architectures (ISAs).
Intanium did the same thing and suffered the same problem that they were slow as such running x86 code.

>>59376260
Not really. Oracle recently fired all but a few Sparc employees--kept to maintain legacy shit. Nothing has happened in PPC since the Apple switch, unless you count shitty embedded shit for cars and the Wii.

>>59377283
Homemade /g/Sparc when?

http://www.oracle.com/technetwork/systems/opensparc/index.html

>>59367206
Didn't Nintendo use an IBM processor for the Wii U?

>>59369011
It's crazy dependent on storage and cache speed, use a usb3.0 flash drive as readyboost cache

>>59377283
I don't really understand why that has any relevance to the absolute lack of "devboards" for these platforms, but alright.

I took your post to mean a lack of small, low-cost SBCs, which is pretty understandable considering both of those (PowerPC being equated with POWER, because, well, that's pretty much what it is) are platforms geared for big iron with plenty of real hardware options available on the used market, and formerly brand new as well.

>>59377372
The T1/T2 are pretty ancient nowadays, you can get them pretty cheap though.

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>>59367167
>cant decide if beautiful or really autistic...

>>59375423
That depends on the manufacturer. Instructions can be implemented using microcode to save die space. I don't know if all x86 instructions are implemented that way now though.

Which SBC's are good for everyday light use browsing / tooling around?

banana, rasp3, xu4? I am lost

>>59377416
Yeah but that was mostly a cost cutting/compatibility thing as it was basically the same CPU as the Wii and gamecube's.
IBM has been AMD tier at least until recently, intel has them nearly completely driven out of even the server space.

>>59374607
The VIA can run battlefront at 1080p.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JotRC775YWg

Lemote

correct me if im wrong, but i think the most money via is making these days comes from their audio chipset manufactures puts on motherboards.

>>59377774
Anything.

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>>59366719
>Are there alternatives to amd/intel?
Yes. Build your own CPU like a man: http://www.fritzler-avr.de/spaceage2/index.htm

>>59379553
This guy did better desu
http://www.homebrewcpu.com/

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>>59379553
>>59379762
>not building a processor out of memory
http://2x-1.net/ob/gray1/

>>59379779
This is the most beautifully autistic thing I've ever seen.

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>>59369676
>Not posting the based 8C

Cyкa блять.

>>59367212

kek

>>59379762
It's wire-wrapped and not MIPS, meh.