>intel tried a new architecture with P4 >it failed miserably

You have anymore mind blowing revelations for us OP?
I heard a rumor that water was wet?

>>59353349
That's basically not true. Every new Intel CPU requires a new socket.

>>59353379
Not op but shut up

I found op's post insightful

>>59353397
heh

>>59353379
I've heard that rain falls from the sky when it's cloudy.

>>59353398
You have to be over 18 to post on 4chan.

>>59353379
It's funny cause I always see posts like
>Intel has the technology for 10 generations ahead they're just saving it
when in fact they haven't made a new architecture in over 15 years

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>>59353397
>That's basically not true. Every new Intel CPU requires a new socket.

The goyim are on to us. Shut it down!

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>>59353397
>this is what intelcucks believe

POST YFW WE'RE ALL USING REHASHED 8085 FROM THE 70S

BLUNDER OF THE CENTURY

>>59353444
8085 and 8086 are different desu senpai

>>59353414
What are you talking about?

>>59353397
Wait a minute...

>>59353458
>not solely requiring one's'elfe computational needs to be done within the spatial and temporal dimensions of an 8087

Someone compared the die shots to the P3 one. Every Intel core since Conroe is just a bunch of P3 cores upscaled and glued together.

>>59353459
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rain

Are you dense?

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>>59353349
>tejas was going to be 50+ stages
>they were targeting speeds of 5-7ghz

why did they think it would work

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>>59353531
I was looking for actual die shots but this is much better.

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>>59353594
oy vey

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MAEK MORE GIGAHERTZ

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>>59353349
>>59353594

>stages of denial
>history repeats itself

>>59353594
Well, what do you expect them to do honestly?
There haven't been many new breakthroughs in CPU development other than >ADD MOAR CACHES and >MAKE MOAR WIDER! for decades.

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>>59353594
Alright, found it. From here: https://prohardver.hu/teszt/intel_architekturak_nehalemtol_skylake-ig/nyomtatobarat/teljes.html

>>59353349
At this point Core is the Theseus' ship of microarchitectures. Most things have been redesigned to point where Skylake doesn't look anything like P6/Pentuim Pro at all.

>>59353659
Am I making judgments?

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>tfw /g/ didn't exist for the P4 launch
>tfw you will never shitpost with your AMD bros from your Athlon 64s

>>59353716
You can always wait for 7nm Zen.

>>59353700
It was supposed to be more of a general statement, not against you in particular.

>>59353349
>a P4 overclocked to 5ghz stil couldn't outperform a 2.6ghz Athlon 64
Are you retarded? 3ghz P4 was pretty much on par with 3000+ Athlon 64.
>they went back to the P3 architecture and rehashed it for the Core lineup
>they then refined then further refined it for Nehalem
>which was turned into Sandy Bridge
You have absolutely no idea what you're talking about, go back to /v/, gaymer child. And stop using the word "rehashed".

>>59353349

That's completely wrong bro.

Skylake has as much in common with Pentium 3 as the Pentium 3 as much as common with the original 386.

Conroe took the best elements of netburst and P6 and made something far superior to the either one.

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>>59353742
The Athlon was running at stock, which was 2.6ghz

>>59353742
>intel still astroturfing more than 15 years later
Pentium 4 ran slower than a Pentium III of the same clock speed.

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>core series is a p6
>quark, atom, and xeon phi are p5s

Are these the most future proof archs of all times?

>>59353824
Doesn't seem like it, since Intel has spent the past five years refining performance per watt and AMD just skullfucked them on that front.

>>59353872
But muh gayms.

>>59353824

Core series have almost nothing in common with the P6s though (other then being ISA x86)

The closest is Yohan a.k.a Core 1 but even then it is was incorporating some elements from Netburst.

>>59353808
What truly ruined P4 is that Intel kept pushing it to be a speed demon on a shitty node. At least AMD's Faildozer improved over time.

>>59353824
Alpha CPUs were better than everything Intel has ever done.

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>>59353782
>boost frequency by 20%
>performance increases by 5%

>>59354062
Hyper-bibeline in action.

>>59354101
is pentium 4 like the fastest running back in the world, but with missing thumbs and forefingers?

False

Sandy Bridge is a new architecture

It has nothing in common with P3 that can't do HyperThreading

OP is an uneducated, ignorant lying faggot and it really shows

>>59354149
You mean Nehalem?

>>59353931
>Alpha CPUs were better than everything Intel has ever done.
The patents covering them should be expiring soon

Why doesn't someone do a new alpha cpu?

>>59354149
They patched 4 way hyperthreading on a p54c core to use in Knights landing...

>>59353659
well nobodys gonna make breakthroughs if they arent trying

>>59354171
It is rumored that this Chinese supercomputer is a spin of the Alpha µarch:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sunway

but nobody else seems to care (probably because we have RISC-V now, and also because of the Shintel-Microshaft stronghold on software).

>>59353426
Why waste money making a new architecture when you have no competition?

>>59354355
What about something to beat ARM?

>>59354389
They're trying (again): http://www.eetimes.com/document.asp?doc_id=1331424&page_number=1

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>>59353349
>yfw you are basically using a refined version of the 8086

Whoa........... REALLY makes you thing..............................................

Are intel atom CPUs/SoCs a completely new arch?

>>59354655
>Can't tell the difference between uarch and instruction set

Leave.

>>59354680
See
>>59353824

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>>59353349

>>59354694
>recent atom SoCs
>p5
Can I get a source for that?

>>59353349

> Yfw you realize your CPU is just a bunch of transistors and is basically just a refined opamp

>>59354717
Now that you asked, I couldn't find any P5 based Atoms, only P6.

>>59353685
>tfw the die layout has hardly changed since Nehalem

>>59353397
A socket change a year keeps the goyim in fear.

So Intel uses a refined P3 but they can beat any AMD CPU including Zen easily?

AMD BTFO

>>59354696
Is he holding a dick to his chin?

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>>59353349
I thought the Core was a clean room architecture from the Israeli team.

The PIII got a refresh with the Tualitin, but was quickly phased out for making the P4 look bad.

The P4 in general was just a massive piece of shit with its longcat length pipeline, lousy branch prediction, and brickwall scaling.

From what I remember reading, the Core was built from the group up for mobile and power management instead of being a desktop part with modifications.

>>59353716
I used to. I only got rid of my Athlon 64 3200 in 2012.

>>59355178
Nehalem incorporates features from both P3 and P4 arch. Also HT was only seen before on Netburst.
From haswell onwards things remain pretty much the same, so why intel keep shrinking the dies? They are doing it sorely for watt performance.

>>59355313
>HT was only seen before on Netburst.
Yeah, but you needed to run special software from Intel just to activate it, and even then you needed software actually compiled to use it. The intelfag at Westwood, and a couple of random easter yuro devs at the time used it, but that was it.

From what I understand, the modern Core architectures actually do have pretty long pipelines, but the branch prediction is absolutely amazing. Not sure if I remember correctly, but a good deal of HT has been moved to the process scheduler.

Pentium Pro -> Pentium 2 -> Pentium 3 -> Pentium M -> Core -> Core 2

I think Nehalem an onward is technically a different micro-arch.

>>59355178
lol no.
PIII Tualatin -> Pentium M -> Core Duo -> Core2

>>59354492
>intel is so incompetent they had to hire a no-name chink company to design a not shit mobile SoC

Please just let them fire that dumbshit fucking CEO already so the company can hopefully be completely rebuilt Lisa Su style. I feel like at this point intel is really holding things back and no company could ever hope to really replace them.

>>59356205
He's sinking the company into chaos: https://forums.anandtech.com/threads/semiaccurate-coffee-lake-points-to-issues-with-intel%E2%80%99s-10nm-process.2495934/#post-38656226

>>59353397
>changing how the pins are laid out = brand new cpu
lol they do that to force you to upgrade your motherboard every time a new CPU comes out

>>59356541
DELET

>>59353349
Yes. The Pentium 3 was God tier.

>>59356294
Is he fucking retarded? No way Intel can have CEO this bad.

>>59356605
>They state the sources on all of this were off-the record interviews with both current and ex-employees.

tl;dr made this shit up for more ad revenue

>>59356205
No, Intel isn't in bad enough shape to justify tearing everything down and effectively keeping them out of the market for a few years while they restructure. If any company deserves to rise form the ashes, it's VIA.

>mfw i have two P3 tualatin 1.4GHz cpus
They're not worth using now but my god they were good processors.

>>59356619
No one in their right mind would disclose anything about Intel with their names attached to it, so there's that.

>>59356631
>If any company deserves to rise form the ashes, it's VIA.

They've never released any good products.
A company worthy of rising from the rashes is 3dfx.

>>59353594
DELET DIS

>>59356662
Which would just make it even better if they released an x86 lineup that crushed AMD and Intel.

>>59356662
>3dfx

Is there even anything left of them?

It won't matter once quantum CPUs go mainstream.

>>59356648
They are worth using if you don't like the Management Engine.

>>59354203
it's almost like having a competitive healthy market is good for technological progress

>>59354203
>try harder!
>jus b urself

>>59356631
VIA was absolute garbage both in CPUs and chipsets. I'd like to see MIPS, PA-RISC, SPARC and all those back. At least POWER and ARM are still a thing

>>59353379
>You have anymore mind blowing revelations for us OP?
There is no such thing as cold, just a lack of energy ;^)

>>59357041
>PA-RISC

Please no. The rest is alright though.

>>59353742
A 3000+ cpu from AMD runs at around 1.8ghz, that's why they used the whole 3000+, 3200+ thing in the first place

>>59356294
INTEL BANKRUPT AND FINISHED

>>59357138
On a side note, Intel and HP are resurrecting Itanic

http://www.pcworld.com/article/3098504/data-center/hpes-itanium-server-refresh-should-come-in-mid-2017.html

>>59357041
>MIPS
decent
>PA-RISC/SPARC
shit tier

Where's DEC Alpha?

>>59357239
>Intel and HP are resurrecting Itanic
No, they are putting it out to pasture. Purely a maintenance launch

>>59357254
Ah, the lifeboat part. Is there enough for everyone?

>>59357138
>>59357241

>muh Itanium memes.

DEC is covered under "all those". I remember reading the 21264 ads and wanting one so bad. Some shit about 600MHz and having a GFLOP supercomputer in your desktop. But architecturally, Alpha is shit tier too. Diverse architectures are comfy.

>>59357352
Not the EV8 though. Unfortunately, DEC went under before they could release it.

>>59357352
Alpha was a very clean design

>>59357436
>Not the EV8 though.

Maybe. A lot of things look good on paper that end up being rubbish.

>>59357436
Interesting to note that with the collapse of DEC and its aftermath, a ton of Alpha design talent really did make its mark on the industry.

>AMD
>Apple/PA-Semi
>Intel

>>59355119
i know ive heard this a million times but it just keeps getting funnier

>>59353349
>most operating systems are written in C
>C was invented in the early 70s
>yfw you are literally using 70s tech

Silicon was created 14 billion years ago, all processors are made with silicon.

> yfw you using 14 billion old technology

>>59357485
Yeah, though kind of average in IPC compared to some of its competitors.

>>59353414
>I've heard that rain falls from the sky when it's cloudy.
Clouds do not imply rain you retarded fuck, rain implies clouds.

>>59357881
no1currs

>>59356294
>hybrid x86/ARM
fuck
Desktops are pretty much finished

>>59357733
No, it wasn't. It took several hundred thousands of years for the first atoms for form. Then it took almost two million years for the first stars to form. Then it took millions more years for those first stars to die and produce silicon in super novas.

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>>59353349
http://old.seattletimes.com/html/businesstechnology/2003658346_intelisrael09.html
>the Core microarchitecture is a major architectural revision it is based in part on the Pentium M processor family designed by Intel Israel

>>59358221
Not even memeing but Intel's Israeli team is truly our greatest ally.

>>59353562

I want to make little glorious AT&T babbies with her.

>>59353349
>pentium 4 is over 16 years ago
stop making me feel old, op
it doesn't seem like that long ago

>>59353349
and pentium IIIs are just faster pentium IIs, which are pentium pros, which are refined pentiums.

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>>59358436
The i386 is now 32 years old

>>59358448
>which are refined pentiums
Not really. There are large differences between P5 and P6

>read 2002 archive
>rather than move on from x86 how about we just up the clockspeed…. keep telling yourself that intel, yes ghz will solve all our problems. )
What did he mean by this?

>>59356715
Nvidia used quite a few of their technologies after they purchased the corpse of 3DFX

>>59356715
insufferable edgy gaming """""culture"""""

>>59357239
I had a few itanium servers that I had to manage for the engineers because of support for one of our older products.

>today you learned that companies don't just jump from technology to technology and that b2b is full of some really old shit.

For instance, I just started working at a county government and they still have some functioning old school mainframes.

They aren't the size of the ones my grandpa worked on, but they are bigger than a few racks.

>>59358481
Not that big.

>>59358581
>>today you learned that companies don't just jump from technology to technology and that b2b is full of some really old shit.

Where did I say they did? IIRC Intel is still fabbing 386s and 486s for NASA or something. But I feel sorry for those who jumped aboard Itanic.

>>59358575
Gaming culture is the only culture that stood up to invading SJWs, so there's that

>>59358621
For you.

>>59358643
That's what she said

>>59358640
kek

Are you serious?

>>59358636
They stopped making the 386 in 2006 and the 486 in 2007...

>>59358697
Well, I'm off by just 10-11 years then.

>>59353685
Why the fuck did Skylake get bigger?

>>59359121
They always do. You think the optimizations don't take up extra die space?

>>59358636
>Itanic
Why did it take me so long to understand that reference

>>59359361
You must be under 20 then.

When the itanium launched it was nothing but titanic references for the entirety of its time in the spotlight.

>>59353458
They're compatible at the source code level though.

>>59359462
22
But yeah, I was obviously a small child and never really cared about Itanium

>>59359462
I didn't even know what Itanium was until like 6 months ago, but I got the joke right away because I'm not a brainlet

>>59359475
>>59359524

I want all the kids to leave

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>>59359623
Shut up dad

>>59359121
Muh igpu

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>>59353349
>>yfw you are basically using a refined version of the P3
A fast 386 (with 64-bit extensions) from the perspective of the programmer.
A fast Pentium Pro from the perspective of the engineer.
And if you're really autistic and want to get technical about it, there isn't much we do today in hardware or software that wasn't already on the mainframe 40 years ago.

There is no physical law that dictates that new technology must reinvent the wheel and be a radical departure from the previous iteration, such a thing is stupid and counter-productive to begin with. You demonstrated it in your own post with the unsustainable failure of NetBurst, which even itself wasn't that radical either.

>still better than AMD

really makes you think

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>P3 based architecture is currently blowing zen out of the water
LEL

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>>59358636
>But I feel sorry for those who jumped aboard Itanic.
Shit's enjoyed a 17+ year run and for a time after the initial Merced disaster they weren't bad chips at all, they just weren't the mind-blowing game changers Intel and HP marketed them as, instead they ended up becoming just another run-of-the-mill HPC chip until the 64-bit x86 prompted Intel to stop giving a shit about them and instead integrate many of the RAS and instruction set enhancements into the Xeon lineup.

>>59353349
Yeah, we knew p3s were better then p4s when the p4 came out. You can feel it when using them side by side.

>>59356648
Had two slot1 p3s and 1gb ram in a Tyan board.
Best.
Machine.
Ever.
Still wish I had it.

>>59357998
You obviously do :^)

>>59359830
This. The snarky reddit-tier retards at The Register memed le "Itanic" meme hard.

>>59359862
Same. Also a GeForce 256. Mine had a VIA shitset in it though. Coppermine PIII 600 or was it 866.

>>59359862
I've run a couple Willamette P4s relatively recently.

The 1.3 GHz model performs about as well as a 933 MHz Coppermine chip but the Willamette systems are still faster in a lot of general use for whatever reason, I blame it on the use of Rambus memory that must have some method to their madness.

>>59359920
>The snarky reddit-tier retards at The Register memed le "Itanic" meme hard.
Intel never had any real desire to give that thing to consumers anyway.

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>>59359755
>MOAR GIGAHURTZ

>Intel Haswell and Nehalem processors are just rehashed of P3.

If AMD Athlon was so great, why AMD not make rehashes of Athlon?

Serious question.

>>59360371
Athlon looked really good because P4 sucked.

>>59360305
Yeah, just annoying that somehow all these tech nerds are experts because they read it somewhere and didn't take two minutes to actually check benchmarks.

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>>59360371

Well, the estimated trajectory with Cinemark had they kept on refining Athlon architecture like Intel did with their P3 refinements from Phenom II onwards to now would be around 15%-20% below Zen's IPC, best case scenario, so yeah, that's not really that great.

AMD would not have been entirely pushed out of the market had they done that but they would only be probably selling budget processors with razor thin margins. Zen would not have looked as amazing as it does if that was the case either.

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>>59355173
>including Zen
>in b4 muh gaym benvhrs on win10 with bugged scheduler or retarded single threaded benchmark

>>59360747
>complains about people posting shitty benchmarks nobody cares about
>fucking 7-zip

>>59360747
fix function accelerators, yay

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>>59360807
>a heavy multi threaded bench doesb't have any hints regarding multi core performance
Do you think zen is bad at other multi threaded tests?

>>59353349
Loyal AMD fag here, but not an idiot.

OP is false. Don't know if hes just dumb or mistaken.

>>59360821
Don't know, don't care.

>>59360885
>b-but I don't care
That's why you replied to my previous post, right?

>>59360925
I just like shitting on CPU fanboys, you fucks are annoying as hell.

>>59360965
>posting benchmarks is being a fanboy
Nice damage control, I use whatever suits my needs.

>>59361033
You replied to an ancient 8-hour old blatant bait post with a shitty benchmark anyone who's been here for more than a few days has seen many times over already in an effort to defend your beloved kike corporation's honor, that's a pretty damn fanboyish thing to do.

>I use whatever suits my needs.
Me too, hence why I'm not replying to ancient bait because I like what I have and that's all I care about.

>>59361114
>shitty benchamark
>anandtech and phoronix aren't credible
Wew

>n-no you are a fanboy
Yeah, an AMD fanboy that hasn't owned an AMD CPU since the ahlon 64 days, right? Why are you so mad that I posted two benches?

>>59361361
>if I stutterpost like a retard and answer back with an anecdote it will make reality look silly
Gay.

>>59361504
>post benchmark
>autist tries to evade it by saying "b-but not widely used in the real word"
>post another benchmark
>dude I don't care lmao u are a fanboi
You decided that you don't care after replying in a somewhat serious way, right? Whatever helps you sleep at night.

>>59361570
I didn't really care to begin with, I did think 7-zip was a retarded thing to talk up though, yes.

>>59362072
Compression is a common multi threaded use case scenario and zen seemingly shines at other multithreaded usages too. Single core performance obviously isn't as good as quad cores though but these are X99 competitors we are talking about.

>>59362276
>Compression is a common multi threaded use case scenario
Of course, but it overhypes the issue. It's certainly something to consider if you're compressing tons of rips and other media content, for example, but it's not all we do with our systems.

But does it demonstrate that it's a competent multi-threaded performer? Sure, I'll give it to you.

I use the DRV8825 to crunch my numbers boys, idk why you use yucky intel and amd devices

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I have a Thinkpad with essentially the progenitor of all the modern Intel processors.

Feels good, works great still.

>>59353414
I was 7 when the Pentium III launched.

I am now 24. Feel old?

>>59360633
hold up a minute, if they kept refining the phenom II, they would have had a clear place in lower cost laptops, and given the power refinement they had made throughout the entire bulldozer shit, if they had that with their phenom line, so lower power but well performing chips, along with gpus, they may have been THE chip for laptops in that case rather than the cheap shit alternative to something good they were.

not to mention that amd in their infinate wisdom at the time shelved a keller cpu in favor of bulldozer.

Had amd not been in a financial crisis they were in, the fuck head ceo may not have signed all amd's mobile shit away with a non compete.

but yea we are in what ifs now.

>>59356619

How new are you? Canard PC are revered for their accuracy

>>59362773
>revered
wew lad don't suck that duck dick too hard

>>59353349
>>they went back to the P3 architecture and rehashed it for the Core lineup

No they didn't.

They expanded on the mobile Pentium-M Dothan and Yonah processors being developed in their Israel R&D centre.

They had far higher performance per Watt, better thermals, and were cheaper to produce.

>>59353685
Hm.. reminds me of dwarf fortress..

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>>59362677
Phenom II FTW! Should've stuck with/refined this design but they didn't so now amd we used to know for killer cpu like athlon 64,phenom ii is gone. We get shit instead. Long live Phenom II

>>59353716
I shitposted with an Athlon 64 just a few months ago. I've posted about that piece of shit here. Hell, I bought the board/cpu I replaced it with from an anon.

>>59353349
>yfw you are basically using a refined version of the P3
Actually the Core i7 7700K is a rehash of the latest PowerPC Apple used, that's why it's so stronk.

# Mind = #BlowN

>>59359121
igpu, architecture, etc.

>>59363441
Phenom II sucks desu.
It's very weak in single thread, and for fuck knows why, some games perform horrible with it. Games that ran much better on Athlon X2.

>>59357617
>electronic/digital computers were invented in the 1930s
>yfw you are using 30s tech

>>59359462
>>59359475
>>59359524
>>59359623
I'm 30 and I know nothing of Itanium.

>>59356294
what the christ

anyway, except ryzen supposedly underwleming performances, what about its perfomances compared to xeon in the server field? does it have the chance to get market share? that's where the money is made.

what about laptops? do they have a good design for kicking the shit out of the i3 and i5 U shitty dual core models which are almost omnipresents in the <600 $ range

>>59363804
It was an obscure Intel architecture.

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>>59356874

Why risk it? Just bribe others so your competition is crippled and save all the money that normally goes to R&D.

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>>59353646
Mandatory

Heh I had two socket 370 chips once, been a long while now. first was a 800 Mhz celeron in a dell 800 cxe (2001). Second was a 1.4Ghz Celeron that I used in my first computer build (Still got it btw). Good times. Back when you had to set jumpers. Now the only jumper you'll see is the one to reset your bios (unless it's gone now to, haven't built a computer since 2010)

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>>59353349
oy vey

>>59364246
> t. AMD art department

>>59356631
>>59356662
>not Aureal

>>59355176

>assuming gender
>being this much of a shitelord

>>59364288

Given Tom's have a magically scaling 6900k I would believe them being bought off (or plain incompetant, both are viable).

>>59353349
>tfw it's STILL BETTER THAN AMD

>>59353931
>Alpha CPUs were better than everything Intel has ever done.

Athlon64 was basically an Alpha with an x86 decoding frontend.

>>59364361
I am not on any company's side, both are doing this. I fucking hate it, but yeah, what can I or you do against it?

>>59353349
intel tried a lot of different architectures
>hll cpus (iAPX 432)
>transputers
>risc
>ooo
>superscalarity
>epic
>async/clockless cpus
>vliw, starting from i860
>heterogenous architectures, fpga-assisted in particular
>massively parallel gp cpus
etc.
there's very little things they haven't experimented with or implemented in mass production since the 4004.

>>59359830
>>59359920
>Itanictards

/g/ never ceases to amaze me