Did I get memed into University?

can someone respond

>>59346351
Should have went to community college.

Sounds like you are living in Europe with socialism and 'free' education pal

Get it done, then make money. Don't fuck around.

>>59346399
Noo Zealand

>>59346412
y-yes sir

>>59346351
well done, you learned that real CS is just applied maths

the degree won't teach you much of anything to do with real CS work, its just a stamp for your CV that recru*ters look for

>>59346464
>poo peeland
theres your problem. you could've just gone to australia and gone to a real university

>>59346351

Computer Science is not the same thing as Computer Engineering or MIS

you are dealing with the theoretical algorithms used in computing, they are not intending you to get a coding job when you graduate, you are supposed to be working at a higher level

how do you not know what your own major is

>>59346474
>the degree won't teach you much of anything to do with real CS work,

sure it will

it won't teach him to be a java code monkey but that was never the point

>>59346489
What am I (((((supposed))))) to be doing as a job when I graduate? I thought Id be sitting in an office koding with karlie or some shit?

what did you think it was going to be OP?

Computer science is the study of the theory, experimentation, and engineering that form the basis for the design and use of computers. It is the scientific and practical approach to computation and its applications and the systematic study of the feasibility, structure, expression, and mechanization of the methodical procedures (or algorithms) that underlie the acquisition, representation, processing, storage, communication of, and access to information. An alternate, more succinct definition of computer science is the study of automating algorithmic processes that scale. A computer scientist specializes in the theory of computation and the design of computational systems.[1]

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Computer_science

>algorithms are basically just math

>>59346518
>I thought Id be sitting in an office koding with karlie or some shit?

no bro, why did you think this, how did you decide on your major?

read the WHOLE wikipedia article i linked above

P=NP

OP?

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>>59346518
>Karlie is your Khief Keknology Kofficer

>>59346518
>I thought Id be sitting in an office koding with karlie or some shit?

is that what you want?

>>59346537
>no bro, why did you think this, how did you decide on your major?
I just remember always being interested with computers, I remember when I was a kid I was fucking around in the basement and discovered some old windows-98 computer or something that my parents didn't use and I literally fucked around with it, learnt how to make infinite internet explorers pop up and crash my computer and it all started from there

>read the WHOLE wikipedia article i linked above
ok

>>59346548
divide both sides by p, n = 1 (insert cs meme guy picture)

>>59346464
wat uni. Chch kid here

>>59346537
>>>59346518
>>I thought Id be sitting in an office koding with karlie or some shit?
>no bro, why did you think this, how did you decide on your major?
Think about it. It is like this mostly: “computer science! finally fapping and gaming all day in school”

>>59346581
Auckland uni

>>59346573
At its peak id like to do stuff with AI but AI is probably just a meme so idk really

>>59346351
cs is theory
ce is all about doing things

>>59346351
video games

>>59346612
If you want more practical stuff then Software Engineering would've been a better degree. What year out of curiosity?

>>59346577
>I just remember always being interested with computers, I remember when I was a kid I was fucking around in the basement and discovered some old windows-98 computer or something that my parents didn't use and I literally fucked around with it, learnt how to make infinite internet explorers pop up and crash my computer and it all started from there

there are many branches of computer science but none of them are "code monkey"

you could just get an MIS or other degree if you just want to write programs in java or python or whatever when you graduate, you don't need a CS degree. With a CS degree you should be aiming for higher level theoretical work

>>59346619
I didn't take CE because I had to do engineering courses and all that shit, I like physics for a cool popsci meme fact but I don't like calculating a youngs modulus for a piece of fuckign string

>>59346629
Final year

>>59346646
>higher level theoretical work
I actually really like stuff to do with the whole church turing thesis and the automaton shit, but I guess thats all solved so theres no real work to be done there.. But do you mean im supposed to be going to grad school and becoming a research assistant then professor? (wtf)

I honestly thought after Uni I'd be coding or something

>>59346612
>At its peak id like to do stuff with AI but AI is probably just a meme so idk really

you should decide what you want to do more clearly, working with AI is something you would be doing in a graduate program and in research or academia after getting a post grad degree- you should be planning for that now if that is what you want to do and focusing your attention on the proper branch of computer science to get into the right post grad program with the right adviser at the right school

>>59346662
He probably means post-graduate study. You can pretty easily get a software engineering job with a CompSci degree from what I've heard. Be warned if you are considering post-grad study, it can involve less coding than your undergrad.

>>59346673
Thing is, I don't actually like academia that much, for me after finishing my Bsc would be so relieving as I won't have to meet deadlines with stupid assignments and being forced to work at a retarded pace, I just want to sit back and relax and enjoy things at my own pace, thats how learning is fun, not being in a school like environment.

Is there anything related to finance in CS? I do finance in my spare time and I really like it (equity value investment) but I don't really see a CS application for the parts of finance I like, unless its HFT which is a meme in itself

>>59346662
>But do you mean im supposed to be going to grad school and becoming a research assistant then professor? (wtf)

that is one avenue to go down

a bachelor's in CS is not really the end game for most people, they often have post grad aspirations

a simple bachelor's in CS is not going to get you (probably) the job you want doing high level AI research

A bachelor's in CS is like a bachelor's in "Biology" or something like that, you might wind up a high school teacher or go on to medical school, you are kind of at a crossroads with just a bachelor's

Remember that gift where the guy crosses off computer and science well congratulations OP that guy was not fucking kidding.

Really OP this is wanting to become a drug dealer, studying chemistry and then getting mad when they start talking about orbital theory or space groups.

>>59346561
She's using the terminal to move through directories. And there's code just above that.

What is this meme?

>>59346693
>Thing is, I don't actually like academia that much, for me after finishing my Bsc would be so relieving as I won't have to meet deadlines with stupid assignments and being forced to work at a retarded pace, I just want to sit back and relax and enjoy things at my own pace, thats how learning is fun, not being in a school like environment.

You done goofed on picking a major if this is how you feel.

>>59346693
>Is there anything related to finance in CS?

Yes, from code monkey to developing trading algorithms for big banks to anything in between but to get past code monkey you are likely going to have to get your masters or phd

Why do you want to be a coder? Coding is shit. Long hours and most are working on meme garbage or keeping legacy spaghetti code alive using nonstop asspulls and patchwork. PURE CS is far more exciting and rewarding working on the forefronts of our understanding and carrying out meaningful research. You think anyone at Google X or Deepmind don't have a CS doctorate? Keep it up OP you can aim much higher and do more meaningful things that a regular code monkey but you have to go to grad school for it you don't know enough yet.

>>59346745
>Why do you want to be a coder? Coding is shit. Long hours and most are working on meme garbage or keeping legacy spaghetti code alive using nonstop asspulls and patchwork.

this

OP you don't want what you think you want, if you don't like what you are doing now with the deadlines and tedious bullshit you are going to hate coding because that's all it is, it's like solving boring basic algebra problems all day with a deadline forever

it's hell in most people's minds and from what you are saying i don't think you would be one of the few who enjoys it

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>>59346730
pic related how I feel right now in my last year

>>59346745
I always thought coding was fun... I like being given a super vague task and asked to make it werk from scratch, but I'm well aware of keeping the spaghetti monster alive which is really shit and non rewarding.

What exactly is honors, masters phd like? Do you have classes and assignments (dear god please no) or is it very much different? I wouldn't mind if it was just doing ONE thing for the whole year not taking 4 dumb unrelated classes trying to bum rush assignments every week

>>59346351
SVD

>>59346780
>What exactly is honors, masters phd like? Do you have classes and assignments

yes bro, look up your school's PHD program or just read about others

http://catalog.uab.edu/graduate/collegeofartsciences/computerandinformationsciences/#courseinventorycontainer

>>59346351
I'm the exact same as you OP, final year BCMS @ Waikato and just wanna get the degree over with and be a code monkey or some shit, really not big on math or theory. Think I'm fubar

>>59346780
>trying to bum rush assignments every week

you can't do this in grad school you have to be really disciplined and do your shit every day, you can't get by cramming and rushing on assignments

>>59346412
How 2 make money with a CS bachelors?

>>59346809
>http://catalog.uab.edu/graduate/collegeofartsciences/computerandinformationsciences/#courseinventorycontainer

go here and click on "courses" in the sub menu

that's grad school minus dissertation

bounce around that site, there is good info on what grad school is like and what is expected of you

what is your GPA?

>>59346836
>How 2 make money with a CS bachelors?

What languages do you know? Can you fix and build/troubleshoot desktop computers?

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>spend last 1-2 years of degree just doing math and mathy coding
>trying to use eclipse and testing and version control at job

>>59346836
Also, can you work in a team?

>>59346837
>GPA
average, Im not one of the people that can give a shit for the duration of schooling, its too many shits for me to give. Idk how to convert my gpa to american standards

CS has always been maths. If you wanted to get a job as a code monkey you shouldn't have bothered with a BSc. Study the math and theory at uni, then go home and write code. You shouldn't need someone to tell you to try and make something if that's what you want to do for a job. I see this all the fuckin time in my lectures, everyone's just sitting there studying hoping one day all the theory is just gonna click and they'll be amazing programmers, when none of them do a fuckin thing outside of what they need to do to pass the paper. There's plenty of good programmers coming out of polytechs, but they're on the flipside of the coin and have no idea how anything works they just know what to write.

source: also an nz CS student

>>59346848
>Can you fix and build/troubleshoot desktop computers?
CS bachelors should be aiming higher than IT monkey.

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>>59346351
At least you didn't actually do math

>here, put this 5x5 matrix in reduced-row echelon form
>why yes, that is a lot of tediously simple math
>and yes, you are simply following the steps of an algorithm, no intelligent input required
>it's almost as if this is the sort of mind-numbingly dull task we invented computers to automate
>but we won't let you use a computer, no, you're gonna slog through this by hand, and the best reason I can give is "you're not allowed a computer in the exam"

>>59346780
Don't know about NZ or Murica but in the UK phd you work on a research project for three or four years. It has to generate new information. You are working with a supervisor by you mostly work independently and publish papers. You can pretty much set your own pace and plan your own days. If your work is really good or at least new you can present it at conferences around the world. Also in the UK you can go straight from back to PhD no masters required but it's abused to get one.

I won't lie though it's tough and you feel pressure of shit isn't working. Most change their original goals at least 5 times from their start but that learning helps too.

>>59346780
>What exactly is honors, masters phd like?
Speaking from my little experience as a comp sci masters kid in NZ: it has its ups and downs. I'm not used to all the reading yet but the content is more interesting than undergrad. That being said its not really coding stuff.
> Do you have classes and assignments (dear god please no) or is it very much different?
I'm unsure if auckland has the same degree structure as mine but I do 8 courses first year and then a thesis second year. The 8 courses are a similar to how a usual undergrad year would go but a little extra in terms of research and stuff. Haven't started thesis year yet so dunno what thats going to be like.
> I wouldn't mind if it was just doing ONE thing for the whole year not taking 4 dumb unrelated classes trying to bum rush assignments every week
I think that is sorta what the thesis is going to be.
As a whole it is more work, but I enjoy it more. Its more of a challenge than undergrad is which is good because third year for me was a bit of a joke.

I know honours year is usually structured around 6 courses and a full year project. So that might be better for you if you want to do a large coding project. Talk to your lecturers etc etc and explain your situation, they are there to help.

>>59346873
That's 1st year shit, also it helps to be reasonably fast at that.
Don't be the tard who has to use wolfram alpha to get determinant of a 3x3 matrix.

>decomposing a general matrix A via SDV
>useless
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Principal_component_analysis

Math is the most important shit you learn in the Uni, literally. I was a moron in the uni and now I have to study all that shit again, because every monkey can pick up programming in a week, but does not know math. Fuck, after writing stupid useless code in stupid useless frameworks that change every day for stupid useless firms with stupid useless managers I now want to go back, do MS in pure algebra and study abstract, immutable and always correct platonic forms in all their glory all day long.

>>59346848
mostly java, can build/ troubleshoot PC's fine, but wouldn't that be more of a retail poo in loo kind of job?
>>59346862
well I speak english and can hide powerlvl in public

>>59346866
>average, Im not one of the people that can give a shit for the duration of schooling, its too many shits for me to give. Idk how to convert my gpa to american standards

getting into a good grad school for CS is competitive

if you just want to be a code monkey start looking to get an internship somewhere and in your spare time nail down one or two languages you are good at and then apply for jobs

you basically killed yourself doing math for the last several years that you don't need if you go this route, you just tortured yourself when you could have gotten a degree more focused around programming languages with less high level math hassle and been more prepared for the job you will actually be doing....

>>59346892
Also adding on this, and to >>59346880
A phd in NZ uni for this course requires you to do an honours year first. So in OPs case it would be four years (1year honours + 3year phd)

>>59346871
>should

I agree but he's saying he has "average" grades and does not want to go to grad school and is asking what jobs are available

I see IT monkey jobs asking for CS degrees all the time

>>59346901
>hide powerlvl in public
better you continue doing so for a long long time

>>59346939
You don't need to go to grad school to be software dev/programmer which is step up from IT monkey.

>>59346901
>mostly java, can build/ troubleshoot PC's fine, but wouldn't that be more of a retail poo in loo kind of job?

yes but go look on your local job boards and see what jobs are asking for a CS bachelor's, you will see a lot of IT monkey jobs

you are the one who got a CS degree and had "codemonkey" in mind for a job afterwards, not me

when Human Resources sees "CS" they just think computers and will hire you for hardware or networking or basic java shit, they don't really fucking know anything about computers and there is no such thing as a java bachelors so they look for CS

again you are at a crossroads, most people get a bachelor's in CS as a stepping stone to something more, you are almost done with your degree and can probably see that you have not really learned much that is directly applicable to coding day in day out nor any clear job, again it's like getting a "Chemistry" undergrad degree, that can land you a high school teaching job or a ticket to medical school. You are picking "high school teaching job" and not medical school

but big name companies don't hire chemistry major directly out of undergrad to do high level chemical research, that's for phds and masters holders

>>59346985
>You don't need to go to grad school to be software dev/programmer which is step up from IT monkey.

He was asking what jobs were available and I was going to give him a few options, you can make good money if you work up to sysadmin from IT monkey with a degree and a few certs and a few years under your belt

he's saying he hates deadlines and rushing projects and I think coding might feel the same way to him in the real world

>>59347023
>>>59347042
>hardware or networking or basic java shit
>sysadmin from IT monkey
Eh I'm fine with either of those, not too worried about making lots of money, I'll still be the most qualified cunt in my family.
When you say sysadmin you're talking about at a school or something right?

>>59347042
OP here, when I hear sysadmin and IT, what does it """"actually"""" entail? I keep thinking configuring wires, looking at internet protocol shit and viewing packets flowing in and out of something from wireshark or something autistic... personally I hate the router shit

>>59347095
>When you say sysadmin you're talking about at a school or something right?

a sysadmin is a person in a company who is responsible for the servers and all the workstations and the networking and backups, it means "Systems Administrator" and you can make $100,000 USD per year doing it at the right location with say 5-10 years experience and a CS degree and some certifications you can earn later such as MCSE

>>59346351
Seems like you're going to a proper university, as opposed to vocational school for code monkeys. Be glad, you little faggot. If you have the mental capacity to learn the actual science behind computer science, you can learn flavor-of-the-year meme programming language/methodology on your own in no time at all. Contrary to what they believe in "the land of the free", universities are supposed to teach science, not to train whatever type of workforce business demands in $current_year.

>>59346561
women shouldn't have left home

you don't learn that shit at uni, even for other degrees.

I did a biology degree, I did barely any actual field work and experimental design.

And you should be thankful for that. While academia sucks as a career path, you will be a better software designer as a result.

I was very lucky as I essentially got a paid apprenticeship from a guy with a CS PhD. He taught me the theory is just as important as the ability to actually do, even though the doing is what gets you paid.

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>Electrical engineer studying in Australia
>It's all math
>IT'S ALL FUCKING MATH
>circuit diagrams are cool, I comprehend electrical related subjects but everything else
>I'M FUCKING TERRIBLE AT MATH
>REEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE
I wanted to make shit, I wanted to fix circuits, analyse, innovate and improve on designs, not work out why a fucking matrix under certain conditions can be resolved
Fucking miserable right now, it's week two of my second year and i'm starting to fall behind

>>59346351
Stop being a homo and enjoy proper education

>CS is literally all math
How the fuck do you think a computer operates, dumb dumb?

>>59348686
What did you expect, retard? Nature is hard to describe with high school math and physics. Also if you think vector analysis and differential equations are hard fuck off.

>>59346351
Do a search for MIS/IS vs CS. Sounds like you should be doing MIS/IS. Also, don't let ego and peer pressure push you into doing CS because it's "hardcore", etc.

http://mis.umsl.edu/B.S.%20in%20I.S./misvscsc.html

>>59346873
>>59346873
>write a linear algebra library in C

>OP: uhhh geee whizzzz sirr

thats why